assassination

[gusty mirage]

nova exerting dominance is CONTENT

[marble hemlock]

once we were done with the regular one

[glass tulip]

no horny

[marble hemlock]

and just did the patreon-only bonus stuff

but you can hear someone yell "omg cat butt!"

out of nowhere

that was nova

[gusty mirage]

naw I want footage of Nova reminding the wow community who really runs Seli's household

[spice spire]

Any time there’s nova

[marble hemlock]

but theres plenty of clips

of that

[gusty mirage]

lmfaoooooooo

[spice spire]

It@makes the cast 99999999% better

Same with George tbh

[gusty mirage]

and you don't stream with a cam

you make me sick

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

@gusty mirage i agree, he should use a vtuber avatar 😛

[gusty mirage]

[bleak knoll]

Coming from a main druid of 10 years, I hope to find a new home as a Rogue.

[spice spire]

But Fuu, then there’s no George

[gusty mirage]

We're glad to have you friend

[vestal wren]

i am out of the loop with the gorge meme

and i am afraid to ask what its about

[gusty mirage]

George is the best part of Quake's personality

[spice spire]

Welcome, hope you have a good stay. If you have any question, just ask!

[balmy condor]

My lights turn off automatically at 6am so I have a habit of just going dark halfway through marcelian podcasts

[spice spire]

George is the name of my dog, he’s very cute

[balmy condor]

Happened every time

[spice spire]

That’s it 🙂

[gusty mirage]

look at mr. fancy lights here

[thorny pond]

George of the jungle

[spice spire]

Nah he was named that because he’s very curious

[balmy condor]

The one coming on Monday does that shit too

[gusty mirage]

do they make that same mechanism for me being alive?

[balmy condor]

Hm

[thorny pond]

Turn off?

[gusty mirage]

where at 6pm I just turn off

[balmy condor]

[thorny pond]

What turns you on then oxi?

[spice spire]

Hating on me

[balmy condor]

Losing consciousness forever

[gusty mirage]

I like tacos

^ also a true statement

tacos and losing consciousness forever

[thorny pond]

Hall of faming that reply chain

[spice spire]

The beach vault

[balmy condor]

Nah me and oxi are like wr1000

[gusty mirage]

true

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

After last week’s run that probably turns 99/100 of you back on

[spice spire]

Wdym last week’s run

[thorny pond]

Every time I threaten my RL I am going to go heal, rogues get buffs

[spice spire]

Prophet beach?

[thorny pond]

“Oh this 4pc bug you all reported. Yea, we kind of like it. It may stay. Sub rogue? We’re turning on all the interactions.”

[bleak knoll]

For assassination, I should still craft the legendary on back. Trying to anticipate 9.2 stuff

[thorny pond]

Potentially? The covenant one we are getting swaps

[grand ridge]

belt

[gusty mirage]

Yeah if you’re not short for gold you can always scrap it for the ash and stuff later

[grand ridge]

and if duskwalker is meta then finger

because tier is chest

I am just guessing - could be something different

I hope its duskwalker. that one sounds like fun

[bleak knoll]

Ok thanks, I have a bit of stuff from my druid

[glass tulip]

shadowghast rings are still 50k ...

[thorny pond]

Yea no sense in trying to be too preemptive. Lots of time till 9.2 still

[gusty mirage]

bruh what is that fucking profile picture?

[bleak knoll]

Patrick Star

[thorny pond]

You’re welcome @gusty mirage

[spice spire]

Mr. prophet beach

Kinda based

[wooden perch]

can someone tell me what i fucked up on this pull guardian M?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cJQMTpZXnz6dkGK7/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=7

[gusty mirage]

I mean just scanning through it quick it looks like you did fine

but you're playing vigor instead of mfd

and ep/vigor instead of bs/ds

that's probably the dif

[glass tulip]

Yeah generally it's pretty good. Nothing glaring except for little nitpicks like this one

looks like you pooled for shiv and still refreshed garrote in the middle of it which I think you want to avoid

[gusty mirage]

also your opener is cutting it close for mutilate to fall out of the MA window

garrote after the 2nd mut

just good habit to have

[spice spire]

On your opener you also mut > SnD > garrote

You don’t wanna do that

[gusty mirage]

beat you to it

[glass tulip]

mut - snd - mut - garrote instead

[spice spire]

Fuck

Also 30% winds crits will done your parse

[gusty mirage]

stop log reviewing on the phone you mad man

[spice spire]

That’s kinda unlucky

Nah

It’s my shtick

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Also staunchly against prepotting but that’s me

[glass tulip]

I pot at the same time as garrote I think

[gusty mirage]

I've tried potting at 1 on the pull timer and after, didn't really notice much of a damage difference

tbh

def don't wanna pot at like 2 or 3 though

[spice spire]

I do the same as mavv

[balmy condor]

I prepot

[gusty mirage]

old habits die hard

tbh

[spice spire]

Boomers Smdh

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/crycat-crying-cat-crying-cat-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-ok-gif-22851318

[wooden perch]

ayy ty for the opener tip

didnt think about that

[gusty mirage]

ye looks like you managed to hit the MA window on the 2nd mutilate but like you probably caught the very last microsecond of it by garroting before the 2nd mut

[polar cape]

Wanted to flex some luck

[strange python]

Apparently i'm everyone's Faulty Countermeasure good luck charm - so if you wanna run a +2 lemme know

[spice spire]

WHOOF

[gusty mirage]

👀

[balmy condor]

Barking already smh

[spice spire]

Ur tryna make me act up

[balmy condor]

You already are

[gusty mirage]

[arctic hare]

Might need ta go with ya

[strange python]

lol

[slim jay]

runeseer keeps doing his mechanic without putting up a cast bar to kick and wiping me

is there a way to avoid this

[hollow river]

the shield?

[slim jay]

he cast the shield then goes right back to using shadowbolt or whatever

so i cant kick the cast and he does it anyway without actually casting it

[grand ridge]

Can you try disabling your name plate add-ons to see if the issue is with your addon?

I did not have that issue

[slim jay]

its not nameplates

he does the shield and then goes back to spamming shadowbolt

then ancestral knowledge just goes off without actually being cast

[hollow river]

do you have the WAs

[gusty mirage]

[dark token]

now time for vault farm :)

[kind talon]

Poogies

[thin ingot]

i had a boosted lvl 50 paladin from a while ago, didnt gem, didnt enchant, barely knew my kebinds

in 2 pulls i did the mage tower

balanced

suffered a whole day through assassin

[misty holly]

What makes paladin so much easier?

[strange python]

68 runs...done

[thorny pond]

healing, CDs, burst

[thin ingot]

you can heal from 1% to 100% with onyl a word of glory

bubble, bop, lay on hands

[thorny pond]

It's just more margin for error. They can ignore some mechanics

[thin ingot]

yeah

i was playing so careful at the start like on my rogue

trying to dodge everything

then i realized i can heal to full with 1 wog and booya

[hollow river]

Ret?

[thin ingot]

ye

[hollow river]

Yeah I heard it was a one shot for most people

[thin ingot]

i mean i can understand if i didnt do it on another toon

but rogue is so punishing that doing it on ret was a joke

[hollow river]

Hunter/Hpal in my guild 1 shot the rets one

[thin ingot]

im a hunter main

and dude i suffered on the bm one

realized like 50 pulls in the worm

is a beasst

[hollow river]

He was the first one in our guild to get his tower done iirc

The hunter one I mean

[thin ingot]

i was like wtf this is impossible

but then i figured you can scare beast every cast

and it was sooo stupidly easy

[hollow river]

Yeah I’m surprised at how difficult most of them are but they gave us more time to do them so

Shouldn’t be impossible

Only a couple people have done all 36 though which is insane

[thin ingot]

im only missing bear druid

for all classes

[thorny pond]

36 is just a lot of time played

[thin ingot]

and im like 90 pulls into that

[thorny pond]

even if you 1 shot them all

lot of prep

[thin ingot]

i did 36 in legion but it was easy

[hollow river]

I mean you don’t have to do any prep

Tbh

[thin ingot]

only nethershard gear and wathever shit leggo rng threw me

[hollow river]

You just need to have the characters

And proper weapons

[thin ingot]

the easiest ones for me were bm hunter (after i turned my brain on), fury warrior, UH dk, ret and frost mage

like 5 pulls average

afflock and spriest were a nightmare

rogue was fine

ww was fine too

oh ele sham was stupidly easy too

feral was meh, and bear druid im like 90 pulls in

[hollow river]

Isn’t ele the same as outlaw

[thin ingot]

yeah

[hollow river]

Feral too

[thin ingot]

but you burst the shield and imps with one frost shock

UH dk and fury warrior same one

[hollow river]

A lot of Ferals were complaining about Agatha lol

[thorny pond]

they'd have been better with Xylem

[hollow river]

How so

Don’t some classes have to actually kill the ice lol

Like arms warriors have to kill every other set or something

[thorny pond]

yea but it's easier to get out of ice than get imps

[thin ingot]

feral wasnt bad at all

[hollow river]

Which hunter spec is xylem? Surv?

[thin ingot]

yes

its fucked

[hollow river]

Lol

[thin ingot]

you dont have butchery

feral one i did with heirloom gear

[hollow river]

Yeah I’m probably gonna have to buy some for other characters

[thin ingot]

there are some pieces really good for feral from the heirloom set

i think shoulders are pure crit

and a couple of crit mastery

iirc

[dark token]

out of curiosity how many times did u guys take for sin mage tower

[thin ingot]

between 20 and 30 i think

[dark token]

4 attempts to me but i also bought minor gear beforehand

[fleet whale]

wow it's way harder these days lol

[fleet whale]

i remember it being easy in Legion

[thin ingot]

damn

we had feint leggo

in legion

[fleet whale]

didn't even use that leggo in legion

[dark token]

took longer to collect the gear t han to do the tower

[fleet whale]

i did have prydaz though i think

[dark token]

i regret doing that

didnt help my dmg that much and all you need to do is dodge

i had maybe 10-20% more dps than my sl gear

[fleet whale]

the only dps check iirc is the bubble you have to break

[dark token]

yeah it was so easy only halfway

[fleet whale]

rest of it was just surviving

and most of the mechanics stop at a certain percent

[dark token]

just remember blind sigryn and dodge the valkyrie and its pretty gg

the other mechanics werent 1-2s reaction time 1shots

it felt about the same as legion i think

[hollow river]

There’s an enrage at the end you have to beat

[fleet whale]

well it must be a long ass enrage timer then, cause it took me about 10 mins to do the fight back in the day

but i've heard the new MT tuning is all messed up

[hollow river]

There was no enrage in Legion

It was added to the fight now for the TW

[kindred rapids]

Wow why

[fleet whale]

prolly cause the fight as a whole is pretty easy compared to the other challenges

[hollow river]

It’s really not though lol

[low epoch]

enrage timer is about 6:20, its in the sticky, 1.1-1.2k dps requirement

[dark token]

cant find a good helm to go with the set lol

https://i.imgur.com/noZS10j.png

this i guess?

kinda?

[gusty mirage]

just use the sun glasses

[misty holly]

Blue flower crown.

perfect fit

[thorny pond]

just use the set

be a chag

[dark token]

im an orc so it looks bad

[hollow river]

^

[dark token]

that helm looks awful tbh

[fleet whale]

compared to other mage tower challenges, maybe only the worm is easier than Silgryn. Mechanically speaking there isn't much going on

[kindred rapids]

They probably should have made a classic mode without added difficulty and a hard mode where they tightly tuned the fight.

[thorny pond]

you look awful

[kindred rapids]

People would be a lot less upset if they released something like that.

[hollow river]

Mechanically Xylem is easier

Even the outlaw challenge is mechanically easier

Agatha

[kindred rapids]

Plus template chars

[dark token]

wdym classic mode didnt they tune it as close as possible to old mage tower

def felt the same to me

[hollow river]

Nah not from what literally everyone is saying

It’s harder now

[dark token]

like their tuning might be off for some specs

[kindred rapids]

Apparently there was no enrage

[dark token]

but i think their INTENTION was to make it the same

or did they actually want to make it harder

[hollow river]

Intention yeah probably

[dark token]

i did mage tower week 1 in legion

so this was identical imo

[fleet whale]

Sin mage tower i did within 5 attempts with not even full heroic NH gear and bad leggos

[cobalt gyro]

Assa challenge wasn't that bad

how much dps are you guys doing

[fleet whale]

so if what people are saying now is true, it is def harder. but only cause of tuning

[kindred rapids]

If their intention was to make it the same they wouldn't have added mechanics

[hollow river]

But it’s def harder

[dark token]

i was doing 1.4k

[hollow river]

You also can’t out gear it now

[cobalt gyro]

sounds about right, frozen

that's how much i had as well

[dark token]

i think as long as you dot correctly you can make all dps checks even walking in their with 0 optimized gear or enchants

like just trying my SL stuff was 1.1-1.2k

[fleet whale]

I'm not denying that things have changed. But it would be funny if back in 2017, if someone argued that silgryn was mechanically the toughest challenge compared to the other two

[dark token]

oh it wasnt

sub was the hardest

outlaw was equally faceroll

[fleet whale]

i thought outlaw was the hardest of the three

[dark token]

sub actually took me like 20-30 attempts i think

[cobalt gyro]

pretty much just don't let rupture drop on 2 targets (unless you need to focus rune guy for shield) and it dies honestly.

[dark token]

the others were sub 5

i remember doing sub mage tower for a long time maybe it was up to 40 attempts even

[cobalt gyro]

if you want a really, really easy optimization

[fleet whale]

i remember the glaives trinket from tomb of sargeras being a huge help in the sub challenge

[cobalt gyro]

go do some BFA world quests for the azerite gear

when scaled down, they have way more main stat than every other item in those slots

[dark token]

i keep all my trinkets and weird items like that from every tier in void storage

[fleet whale]

i still have golganneth's trinket in my bank

[dark token]

i think this beats the scaled bfa gear

https://i.imgur.com/gyfdrbU.png

was a couple k on illidan

i would honestly not bother gearing more than 5 mins or so unless you hit enrage

[cobalt gyro]

yeah, scaled bfa gear is just cheap and easy

[dark token]

its more important to dodge shit and interrupt blood of the father

i spent like 30k on gear and i regret lol

cause i heard it was super hard

[cobalt gyro]

most money i spent was on consumes because they exploded in price xd

[dark token]

i just used cheap draenic pots

i had left in my bank

[cobalt gyro]

i bought some prolonged powers

[dark token]

blood of sargeras!

[cobalt gyro]

yeah they were 50g tho

[placid pagoda]

anything recommend for rogue MT?

keep getting to sub 30 and dying

[misty holly]

It's really not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dul2K2ohz8E Here is a video of someone who did it 5 days after 7.2 dropped, so the first tower for sure. For one thing he takes almost 8 minutes to clear it - impossible right now. Also there are way less mechanics happening than now.

Sure Sigryn was probably the easiest tower in Legion

But its definitely way harder now

[muted cove]

I did it on my rogue in less than 6 minutes if you don’t have high enough dps you won’t beat the 6:30 enrage

[misty holly]

Yeah, I'm just saying it is harder than it was in 7.2, even right when the patch launched and no one outgeared it yet.

[muted cove]

Well I mean yeah in legion you had artifact stuff and legendaries

[misty holly]

You could always blind sigryn full duration, no need to triple dot them all

you could just run from Jarl, no need to push dps

the only dps check was break the shield

otherwise take your time. Fight only got easier the longer it went back then

Even with break the shield you could cloak it half the time

so if other mechanics were happening, save cloak and break the next one instead.

Way way easier with no enrage.

[muted cove]

Yeah having to worry about if your close to enrage or not sucked a little

But if you can do 1.1k-1.2k dps you dont really have many bad overlaps

Atleast I didn’t

And when Jarl dies you can just keep Sigryn cc’d the rest of the time if you think shes going to be a problem

But its easier to let her start her cast and immediately blind her then break her out to get more damage out

[balmy condor]

honestly the challenge didn't feel that much harder

it just was more punishing on mistakes cause you couldn't just prydaz shield tank everything

[muted cove]

Or feint heal it

[balmy condor]

yeh

but the fight itself didn't really feel much worse

[limber swallow]

yea, I do miss will of valeera for fixing my mistakes on these

I remember the outlaw one being an absolute joke in legion tho

[gusty mirage]

@dawn ivy bruh

wtf is this

[dusty ether]

is there any posts or input as far as these legion timewalking trinkets? any of them busted at 246 O_O

[gusty mirage]

yes whetstone is good in aoe, and faulty countermeasure is good as well

[dusty ether]

i saw an enh shaman with that whetstone, it was like 8% of his overall in a key LOL

[hollow river]

They’re going to be getting nerfed it seems

[dawn ivy]

@gusty mirage im so confused but im glad its actually you

now we can at least be witness together

[gusty mirage]

lmao fuck that man

I'm outtie

[dawn ivy]

HE TURNED THE GROUP INTO A HEROIC SOD PUG

[gusty mirage]

lmfaoooooooo

[dawn ivy]

and then made me lead because im all flashy and 10/10 fancy guild

what the fuck lmao

most bizarre interaction ive had in wow in years

[gusty mirage]

yeah man that's different

worst I've had is someone did that asking people for gold

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spare-change-spare-some-change-begging-poor-gif-18999842

[ember mural]

[slow marsh]

Was it asmongold

[fleet anchor]

So have finished the initial implementation of the T28 set bonus based on PTR testing in SimC tonight. Whispyr can run more sims tomorrow but initial look after some APL tweaks and testing pretty much comes down to these general notes:

1. 4pc is still fairly buggy. Doesn't work with DP correctly (read: at all, realistically.) Sims reflect this for now until it's fixed.
2. 2pc value is pretty low, especially without the Frost set. 100% crit version 2pc is worth around +2% with gems disabled.
3. 4pc value similarly fairly low, as expected based on the factors I mentioned. **4pc is worth around +4% **for 6% in total. (With 100% crit rate considered.) Value could go up a little bit when they fix the DP issues. SimC implementation includes the "overhang" duration after Vendetta expires as it works on PTR.
4. Dusk is in the mix, but not overwhelmingly in the lead. It's about 1% ahead of Doomblade right now when paired with Obedience. Dashing about 1.5% behind. Changes to fixing DP or if they make Doomblade benefit somehow from the 2pc or 4pc as they mentioned (still not sure if this is actually possible due to mechanics) could skew it. We'll have to wait for the final versions to really know what legendary is best, but there's no clear winner atm.
5. ST Crimson Tempest really isn't a gain yet, even with Dusk. It's still a DPS loss with Doomblade as expected. With Dusk it's a slight DPS loss, but pretty close. But tweaks could push it around. But, at the moment, it's still not actually a DPS gain for ST without more real Haste. (Not fake 4pc haste.)

TL;DR: Bonus value is ok, but still quite a bit behind other sets right now even after the 100% crit change (which actually is not very impactful, honestly.) Still needs some love, so we'll see what they do. I'll be making a more in-depth post on the forum thread later tonight detailing some of the bugs.

[drifting cosmos]

🤔 maybe 2p should include poison dmg to some degree

but 6% is really just feelsbadman

[thorny pond]

Ice mentioned it before but it should also give % mastery or I think, vers

[drifting cosmos]

i think 3-4 % should be 2p while 8-10 (maybe) for 4p

so yea they need to get more creative on bonus

or even a bit higher consider coming into patch we lose dom set

[fleet anchor]

Currently 4pc + 2nd legendary puts us at less DPS than disabling gems so, yeah... there's that

[spice spire]

6% with the bug does feel very bad. I’m fine with pushing us to not be top damage, but yeah. I’d prefer to do more damage than I did in a previous patch

[fleet anchor]

Definitely gonna be a bit of a struggle for them to out-race Frost set unless they are aggressive with the budget

[drifting cosmos]

i mean tbh, it is final patch, so they should really just go nuts like previous expansions

maybe some sorta time gate but still

[balmy condor]

Will add that I'm writing another wowhead article on the updates and findings we found

that should come up early next week

[spice spire]

Self promotion

Can’t wait to see though

[balmy condor]

and we'll talk about it more in our podcast (see #announcements) and if you have questions you should definitely post in #podcast-questions

[drifting cosmos]

so in the race they wont have 2 lego right? as it is time gated by story

then it would really feel bad consider the lost of dom set 🤔

[slow marsh]

Probably get double leggos for mythic week

[balmy condor]

yeah

and with the whole last 3 bosses thing

the real race won't be until week 3 anyway

so I find it hard to believe that we won't have double legos by then

[drifting cloud]

the last 3 bosses is only on heroic

mythic is fully unlocked

[slow marsh]

yeee

it'd still be week 3 of patch though

first week is no raid right

[balmy condor]

wtf kind of logic is that blizzard

[cobalt pelican]

non-mythic is for rpers enjoying the story

mythic is esporks

and fuck the split doing losers

[fleet whale]

wow even after the 2 piece buff, it's still a weak sauce bonus

[slow marsh]

as expected

right

[fleet whale]

this might be a hot take

but i think blizz should maybe change the 4 set

[slow marsh]

That's not a hot take

[fleet whale]

have it do something when your bleeds crit

[slow marsh]

na i think the concept is fine

[fleet whale]

i think blizz should try to have the two bonuses synergize with each other

[slow marsh]

I think they need to get off the duration expiring faster though

[fleet whale]

or at least synergize better

[reef axle]

Would be nice to see sin stay viable in 9.2, guess we gonna have to wait and see if sub will become the dominant spec

[thorny pond]

still a lil early to be all doom and gloon

[fleet whale]

i'm more upset that blizz seems to think that these bonuses are ok from a design standpoint

rather than the numbers

[shell ivy]

how do u track progression of the mage tower challenges

achievement

whether its done or not

[fleet anchor]

Just posted my personal feedback about it for those interested. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-set-feedback-rogue/1143962/69

Post 69. Nice.

Guy missed out by one

[fleet whale]

but since i love to play hypotheticals, damn this bonus would've been amazing in NYA with all that haste corruption lol and SS

and if we had shiv baseline somehow

[fleet anchor]

lol that's a lot of hypotheticals 😄

[fleet whale]

well it's like blizz still thought were in BFA when they made this tier set

[fleet anchor]

But yeah something like a short term Shiv crit buff in the Nyalotha era would be a little bonkers

To stack with GCB and SS

[fleet whale]

and bote crit amplify if you used that

[fleet anchor]

Get that nice meaty Vita + GCB + SS on pull and then Crit roughly 93485986 ticks in one DoT

[fleet whale]

But i just like following the state of the rogue from time to time at this point, along with design choices

[fleet anchor]

Honestly, probably my biggest issue with the set bonuses is my very last point which is like.. realistically this set bonus may as well just say "You gain 6% more Versatility" for all it actually changes about the rotation

[fleet whale]

Just waiting to see if assassin will finally get some big changes next expac lol

[fleet anchor]

Realistically it just doesn't do much even during Vendetta

The difference of casting 2 Ruptures instead of 1 is kinda.. whatever to me

[gusty mirage]

but think about all that energy we don't have enough GCDs to use

[fleet anchor]

I'm still just gonna whack-a-mole refresh DoTs when they pandemic

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[fleet anchor]

Shiv is still on CD

[fleet whale]

people for awhile now have proposing taking assassin off the 1.0gcd

[fleet anchor]

There's no real change in logic here

[fleet whale]

and having sin use the standard 1.5 sec gcd that goes down with haste

[gusty mirage]

just try to plan around refreshing before vendetta ends

and that's boring af

and feels terrible to play

[fleet whale]

make sure you have your WA set up for this bonus lol

[slow marsh]

the only thing the set does is give mongo energy t

[gusty mirage]

Imma have a WA set up to remind me to reroll WW monk

at this rate

[fleet anchor]

Honestly that's also one of those things where like.. kinda just depends on how the timing aligns, refreshing too early just to take advantage probably isn't much of a gain

[fleet whale]

sin is already a "have your eyes glued on your WA spec"

[fleet anchor]

You'd probably want it still to be close to pandemic

(Or adjusted pandemic)

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[fleet anchor]

But the timings probably align for a refresh near the end of Vendetta anyway

Usually you'll cast one around 16s

[gusty mirage]

they kinda do

from when I played around with it

if you pandemic refresh the first rupture it ends right around the same time vendetta's about to end

[fleet anchor]

I don't wanna get too into the weeds of suggesting changes because there's like

infinite possible design changes

[fleet whale]

I mean the other question is if it would even be that big of a dps gain to be worth

[fleet anchor]

But this one I'm just not totally sold on lol

Compared to something like the Sub one that actually fundamentally adds something to the spec

This one certainly feels very bland

[fleet whale]

hell the outlaw set at least looks fun

4 piece is kind of weak but i love the concept

[fleet anchor]

Outlaw one is a tuning mess but the concept is neat and can be fixed I think

Sub one is a monster if all those things he mentioned as bugfixes go in lol

[fleet whale]

sub stocks through the roof

[fleet anchor]

Problem with Sub is the leggo issue

Assassination just gets a free 6-7%

Compared to Sub

Assassination has like...at least 3-4 legendaries that are over double the value of the 2nd best Sub legendary to use lol

[slow marsh]

our best leggos revolve around envenom is the issue

[fleet whale]

I just can't get myself excited for my bleeds to crit more in a 9 second window and just baking in an underperforming talent to a cd

[slow marsh]

other than obed

[fleet anchor]

I mean one thing I'll say that I was saying to Whispyr too

[slow marsh]

and the set bonus doesn't necessarily let us envenom

[fleet anchor]

This set really doesn't dramatically reduce the total Envenoms over the fight

Going CT does, but the set itself not so much

The energy gain itself offsets a lot of the globals

You only end up cutting like 6-7 Envenoms out of a 5 minute fight

[slow marsh]

but how many of those in shiv + vend

[fleet anchor]

Like with Dusk setup without CT, it's 54 Envenoms vs. 57 in the current T27 profile.

Since you lose some due to casts then gain some back due to more energy

Doomblade still within spitting distance because of that. And if they make the set interact with the Doomblade DoT somehow, it could even end up winning lol

(Although still no idea how they would do that)

[slow marsh]

im not opposed to that

[balmy condor]

the doomblade bleed is supposed to be sped up

[slow marsh]

i figured DB was def gonna be in the mix for pure damage

[balmy condor]

but I don't get what that's supposed to accomplish

[fleet anchor]

But either way, main issue is that our legendaries are still like solid 6-7%ers

And Sub has 3% legendaries

lol

[balmy condor]

cause it compounds itself anyway

[fleet anchor]

So unless they buff Akaari and Finality at some point

Sub just kinda loses out

[balmy condor]

akaari works with 4 piece now

so that's something

but probably isn't enough

[fleet anchor]

I think that's mostly just a gain for AoE because in ST you're probably just gonna refresh the aura a lot anyway

and not gain an extra tick

[balmy condor]

yeh

[fleet anchor]

But maybe a few

Will help a little but not a ton

[slow marsh]

if we could get the set to go away from vendetta it would actually be super pog i think

[fleet anchor]

But probably makes Akaari decent for AoE

[slow marsh]

because flag + doom or something would be so strong

[fleet anchor]

Which is a nice change

[polar cape]

nah

NF sin is coming

[balmy condor]

flag + doom

[slow marsh]

[balmy condor]

I fail to see the interaction

[fleet anchor]

lol the sad thing is if they get this working with SBS it could be nice BUT

Necro is just

100% dead

Due to the legendary design issue

[slow marsh]

i just mean a better damage leggo in general

[fleet anchor]

Necro's gotta be like.. the only Covenant for 9.2 that gets a zdps legendary for raid bosses to use 🤣

[balmy condor]

cleave spec

[fleet anchor]

Maybe if they fixed the refund bug

[balmy condor]

add damage is important and necessary koji

[fleet anchor]

Atm I'm not even sure it's a DPS gain for Assassination even in cleave lol

Since it breaks all the refunds

Deathspike got murdered so hard

[gusty mirage]

ye

its unfortunate

[slow marsh]

darn outlaw

[fleet anchor]

Yeah the Blade Flurry issue was the culprit really

[slow marsh]

yeah idk why they couldn't just make it not flurry

[gusty mirage]

🍝

[slow marsh]

classic

[misty holly]

If they decide to keep dots ticking faster even after vendetta expires, and that compounds on SBS the way exanguite did in beta maybe it would be enough

Every vendetta doubles SBS tick damage

A long raid boss fight could be a lot of dps

[hollow river]

sbs doesn't interact with 4p anymore to my knowledge

[balmy condor]

"maybe"

[hollow river]

or it won't on Teusday

[balmy condor]

[misty holly]

I think in the blizzard post yesterday they said SBS not working was a bug

[hollow river]

nah

[balmy condor]

I see your tricks mr sbs profile pic

[hollow river]

other way around

[drifting cloud]

the infinite dmg that crashed the server? yeah that was pretty good

[balmy condor]

might be good

[misty holly]

That is the kind of power a necrolord deserves.

[balmy condor]

but sbs is supposed to work with 2 and 4 set

it will go back to just normal speed afterwards though

because it has to

or else ya know

[hollow river]

oo

[balmy condor]

the server crashing thing

[fleet anchor]

Enough to crash the servers maybe 😄

[misty holly]

There could be a cap!

[fleet anchor]

All exsang-style effects are multiplicative so it goes like 2->4->8->16->32...etc.. even if it was just on Vendetta casts it would reach absurdly fast tick rates by the end of a fight especially with Dusk lol

[misty holly]

after 16x tick rate it can't go any faster or something

[balmy condor]

damn flexing your binary I see you

[fleet anchor]

haha it helps that it's only a 2x multiplier atm

[balmy condor]

make it a 3x multiplier

and we'd all be lost

I don't know my powers of 3 past 81

[fleet anchor]

Vendetta+Exsang already gets you down to like

0.4s Rupture ticks lol

[hollow river]

so did everyone know

lock cookies work inside the tower

[balmy condor]

0.4 not fast enough for my boom brain

[balmy condor]

yes

[misty holly]

I need to hustle my warlock over there.

[fleet whale]

#changesingcdto1.5secbase

[misty holly]

advertise cookie for 500g

[slow marsh]

plz no MT talk last time i got muted

[misty holly]

make bank

[balmy condor]

there was a lock spam inviting people when I was doing mage tower

to give out cookies

pst 1 for cookie invite

just /y in chat

on spam

[hollow river]

lol

thats nice of them

[balmy condor]

yeh you got muted for talking about mage tower, oppressive regime here fr fr

only allowed to talk in spec channel if you clear mage tower

[hollow river]

[fleet whale]

does clearing MT back in legion count?

[balmy condor]

no cause the sin MT in legion was LFR content

[fleet whale]

yeah but the rewards were better back then

ghost daggers>weird t20 reskin

[balmy condor]

I've said it a million times

this is drip as fuck

if you don't like t20 recolor

you're bad and old

[fleet whale]

i mean tbf i don't like t20 that much in general lol

[balmy condor]

I love the helmet

[fleet whale]

I'm still waiting for blizz to make HD version of Bloodfang

[slow marsh]

No I got muted because a mongoloid was flaming me for no reason and when they kept going I made a poor decision to respond

[balmy condor]

true

that is why you got muted

[slow marsh]

I'm just a little salty they were able to go on like they did is all

[misty holly]

Could we get a recap on what you think about MT?

[balmy condor]

who

me or him

[misty holly]

Iceblades.

If he got muted for it it must be spicy

[balmy condor]

nah

[slow marsh]

Na

MT is fine

[balmy condor]

he got muted cause he was yelling at a guy yelling

so they both got a time out

[obtuse robin]

i got muted by cev one time highlight of my career tbh

[red plaza]

Lucky

[slow marsh]

MT just gots people rolling up acting like they can say whatever they want because they can't clear it so when the MT talk starts up I'm just dippin immediately

[balmy condor]

gotta start a career to have a highlight

[obtuse robin]

damn'

[fleet whale]

been in this disc since 2017, haven't been muted once
(please don't mute me)

[balmy condor]

1mute @fleet whale to pop his cherry

[obtuse robin]

whyspyr almost yeeted me one time to but i dont think he was a sb yet

[balmy condor]

oops

shift button broke

guess you're safe for now

[fleet whale]

Cheemsburger

[slow marsh]

Tbf normally I would have just completely ignored the guy but I was bored so I did troll him

[balmy condor]

I don't remember it but it was probably worth it

[obtuse robin]

lol

[slow marsh]

For my first time ever being muted I would say it was not worth

But it did force me to go to sleep so that's a plus

[fleet whale]

discord and reddit cause sleep deprivation yes

[balmy condor]

to be fair, having a !log at all is a badge of honor

[gusty mirage]

okay you don't gotta personally call me out like that

wtf dude

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

think about how many people are in this server that just don't talk, haven't hit a filter, haven't gotten muted

you're part of an elite club

[slow marsh]

Lmao oxi bad and old that's why he doesn't have faulty

[balmy condor]

!log @balmy condor

[prisma monolith]

Name:

@balmy condor

Mutes/Warns/Bot

1 / 0 / 1

Muted

YES

[balmy condor]

see

even me

[gusty mirage]

wait wait

check me

[balmy condor]

no

:)

[gusty mirage]

okay you're toxic

I was going to get you that shrek mousepad for christmas

but no more

[balmy condor]

idk why the bot says I'm muted tho

that's whack

[slow marsh]

Inside job

[gusty mirage]

cuz you are muted

[balmy condor]

I'm orange

[gusty mirage]

this is a figment of your imagination

welcome to the matrix

[balmy condor]

I transcend your silly mutes

literally rise above mortal laws

I am the law

[gusty mirage]

the out law

[slow marsh]

Ok calm down before I vote for you for president

[balmy condor]

president has to obey laws

I'm above that

I'm the illuminati

[obtuse robin]

with the law comes the responsibility to have our voices heard

im counting on u to have rogues in a good spot

we all r

[balmy condor]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

I'm not

I'm not counting on anyone

[slow marsh]

In the Illuminati but still no forum post

[balmy condor]

if a single rogue spec is bad next tier

[gusty mirage]

I've lost myself in the vault of wardens this week

[fleet whale]

why are rogues talking about laws?

[balmy condor]

you can blame me personally

[gusty mirage]

I'm just going to blame Jez

[balmy condor]

it will be no one else's fault

only my own

[obtuse robin]

true

[balmy condor]

if a rogue spec is bad

[slow marsh]

I mean no rogue spec is going to be 'bad'

[obtuse robin]

idk u h ave been wrong so far

[balmy condor]

imagine not subscribing to the dk's "mald and seeth inc."

[obtuse robin]

ct is wack

[gusty mirage]

already there

[glacial orchid]

whats the easiest rogue spec for mage tower?

[balmy condor]

outlaw

[fleet whale]

how times have changed

[balmy condor]

outlaw was a joke in legion too

[slow marsh]

Ofc it is

[obtuse robin]

dont even !!

[fleet whale]

idk i remember agatha being a pain in the ass back in legion

[obtuse robin]

u were swearing up and down

[fleet whale]

when sin was a joke and sub wasn't that hard

[slow marsh]

I still do

It doesn't mean it's not whack

[balmy condor]

I beat sin mage tower in like 6 or 7 hours on release in legion

and then went to outlaw

and beat it in under an hour

and was madge

because it was easy

and I was bad at outlaw

[obtuse robin]

and iv been waiting for the sub mt stream sinse

[fleet whale]

did you have god rolls or something, because most lists had outlaw in the higher end of difficulty

unless if you cheezed it with that demon pot

[balmy condor]

yeh

demon pot

made it trivial

[fleet whale]

well that doesn't count lol

[balmy condor]

they were like 20g a pop

wdym

literally free

[balmy condor]

busy weekend have to write another article and then we have the #announcements thing on tuesday

[slow marsh]

I'm low-key excited for that

[obtuse robin]

thats cool

may god bless you with great mental health

[slow marsh]

Need better questions though idk about the one lonely question that's in there rn it's pretty dumb

[balmy condor]

I'm prepping my @marble hemlock roasts beforehand so I can just freely drop them in through the podcast

[gusty mirage]

you think imma take your questions?

[slow marsh]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

yeah you prolly right

[balmy condor]

it'll have it's own topics, we're planning for a Q&A thing though

[slow marsh]

And this 🥒

[marble hemlock]

Bring it on

[gusty mirage]

yeah so ask some questions so I don't have to moderate questions during the thing

thanks guys

appreciate you

and by me

I mean make ronkles do it

cuz I have no perms

[drifting cloud]

hello whispyr, will stun seed be a viable talent in 9.2

[gusty mirage]

wrong channel smh

[fleet whale]

demonslayer pot was eventually nerfed to not work on agatha anymore

[gusty mirage]

#podcast-questions

[balmy condor]

what's small, round, hairy, and disappoints women

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

nova

[gusty mirage]

too far

[slow marsh]

Catboy on cat crime

[marble hemlock]

I was gonna say whispyr but you still refuse to wear the fursuit so it was only a 3/4 match.

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

supply chain, you know how it is, but I thought you were holding onto it to keep it warm for me when I come over

[marble hemlock]

Do they make tankers big enough to ferry you across the atlantic yet?

[gusty mirage]

you callin my boy fat?

[marble hemlock]

Lets just say that they use the fursuit I'm holding for him to cover the open-air stadium when it starts raining.

[gusty mirage]

[cerulean nest]

i got the other Vault trinket

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

get me out of here

[bronze pike]

Nice grats

[hollow river]

when would you guys recommend using drums on sin MT?

[kind talon]

Pull

[hollow river]

wonder if the beginning would be the most value

ye

[kind talon]

But

[hollow river]

?

[kind talon]

If you don’t want to waste as many drums

[hollow river]

yeah get some prog in first

[kind talon]

You can sync 2nd vendetta to after vanish

And drums on that

[hollow river]

true

i gotta get the feel for when they do everything

[kind talon]

Just get the weakaura

But yeah

[hollow river]

i've only tried it like twice

[kind talon]

Go get em soldier

[hollow river]

the other 2 just seem aids to me

sin main

[kind talon]

The outlaw one is pogga

[misty holly]

If you want to save gold practice a bit first.

Make sure you can survive 5 minutes

Then start using drums to beat the dps check

on pull

[hollow river]

im not too worried about gold

[hollow river]

wish i could agree lmao

i can play outlaw in dungeons n whatnot, but i know when everything is coming 100% and its just less hectic

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[hollow river]

yeah that's not my point

i've done sl dungeons repetitively for however long now

i've done mt for all of like an hr or 2

[neat horizon]

Yo boys how’s the assa mt?

Is it tragically hard?

[hollow river]

think my biggest issue is knowing when to kidney Jarl

the other 2 seem easy enough

[balmy condor]

If you get the mechanics down and do reasonable damage (can cheese it a little with old world stuff), it’s not that hard imo, but a lot of people are struggling

[misty holly]

I had to upgrade my gear and consumables to meet the dps check. Couldn't do it in my normal shadowlands equipment

Once I was getting up to 1.2k dps it just took a few pulls tho

[neat horizon]

Interesting enough

Will give it a go after the tank one and agatha probably

[misty holly]

bfa potions and flasks are better than shadowlands stuff

There is a trinket from first boss in Emerald Nightmare that does ridic damage.

[balmy condor]

If you drums, use cyclo, and unbridled

[misty holly]

Way better than any shadowladnnd trinket

[balmy condor]

I think the dps check is easy enough

Yeh nythendra trinket is crazy too

I’m waiting to see if there’s more tuning happening on trinkets to update the guide

[misty holly]

Covenant armor set bonuses work (no one seems to talk about this)

[balmy condor]

I made like 9 changes to the guide on day 1

[misty holly]

I used venthyr set for the 5 piece

[neat horizon]

What do you mean?

Which set bonuses?

[balmy condor]

The blue gear

From your covenant quest

[neat horizon]

Oh wow

Are these game changing in any way?

[misty holly]

it's not a huge amount but it did about 1.5% dps, and some healing

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s better than not having them

[misty holly]

and super easy to get

[neat horizon]

Better than old gemmed gear you’d say?

[misty holly]

No

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[misty holly]

but old gemmed gear is much harder to get

[neat horizon]

Yeah fair enough, great tip though

Saves a shit load lol

[misty holly]

I noticed Prydaz had a higher stat budget than other necklaces, and can take the satyr enchant so its a good choice

I forgot to check what heart of azeroth was.

[balmy condor]

Heart is better

Also satyr kinda sucks tbh

It’s like 1%

Which I guess it better than nothing

But they giga nerfed that

[hollow river]

i just walked out of emerald nightmare

and got sent back to the MT

[clever kindle]

its a sign

[hollow river]

a sign of...?

[clever kindle]

to do more mage tower

[hollow river]

im planning on it unfortunately

[balmy condor]

Damn setting hearth to broken shore what a gigachad move

[clever kindle]

I dont have enough toons ready to get mount so im gonna do most of them next time

[hollow river]

nice i got avoidance boots and seed pod

is seed pod supposed to come with a socket?

lmao

[balmy condor]

No

Sockets rng

[tidal gorge]

Maybe I should just use drums... >.<

[balmy condor]

Drums are good

[hollow river]

i can just drop all these warforged shits can't i

[balmy condor]

Yeah all the ilvl scales down

Warforged don’t matter

[hollow river]

hoping to get neck or shoulders off xavius

trinket seems decent too idk though

cenarius trinket i mean

[analog iris]

Okay tbh I just started picking up rogue I know it says in the pins that the ring is fixed in sims but does it rlly only increase dps by like 36?

[hollow river]

make sure you're simming Nightly and not Weekly

[analog iris]

oh okay thank you

[quaint carbon]

Ring is a myth

[balmy condor]

Just loot it

[quaint carbon]

Only doing CoS for the mini detective game

[balmy condor]

Banger mini game

Just run with a DH for instant 3 min time save

[kind talon]

True

[timber gale]

when should I drums for mage tower? feels like there isn’t a clear moment to do it

Maybe on pull?

[kind talon]

Pull

Garrote drums garrote garrote fok rupture vendetta mfd ct pot

[timber gale]

Pog

seems like it’s not the hardest challenge - feels like everything stays at about the same intensity, so once you’ve got your answers practiced (blind / KS / burst) it’s just executing

Which you could maybe say for all of them, but usually there’s some sort of ramping or high execution phase

Xylem is kinda all sleeper until the end and then it gets cranked hardcore

[kind talon]

Xylem difficulty is comet storms, getting through intermission for the first time, and then the phase 2

Idk I really like the mage tower

It’s super interesting

I wish I played legion

[timber gale]

oh yeah, I'd be really interested to see what a modern challenge would be like - they're very cool from the perspective of 7 hard chalenges that different classes interact with

[kind talon]

Yeah absolutely

[soft shale]

in legion it was more bland actually

now it is kinda more challenging

[balmy condor]

Yeah in legion it was just take tank legendary and rot it

The enrage wasn’t a thing back then

Which it probably should’ve tbh

[soft shale]

yea it was so easy with legs leggo

even the sub one was so easy if you knew the wm trick with goremaw

you just 1 shot 2nd phase

[floral shoal]

Someone told me to transmog a Legion artefact onto my weapon and it would glow next to the right npc. No clue If this is true, I got the ring first run.

[balmy condor]

That’s a Paladin shield thing

[marble yacht]

ty for that, first try with it and i finally did it

[sonic schooner]

Tbh just bring a dh in every single legion dungeon, they designed the entire expac arround the class

[balmy condor]

Did they?

Demon hunters were kinda forgettable in legion tbh

[strange python]

venthyr, necro and kyrian done renown 80.. if it happens that NF will be bis for assa/outlaw next patch ill unsub simply

[hollow escarp]

very unlikely but you only need renown 57 for starters

and that's 500 gold, a set of weeklies, 3 callings and 4 m+ dungeons

[golden basalt]

you could also just do random shit as NF and then switch over when you actually need to

doing worldbosses and shaping fate as NF for example

switch back to venth for raid

[soft shale]

that is how i lvld kyrian

just doing world bosses

and shaping fate/invasions

maybe sometimes the weekly anima or souls

[small basin]

torghast is fastest by far if you can stomach it

just stealth to end boss

[golden basalt]

well yea

the above was more of a casual way of doing it while doing stuff you most likely will be doing in the week anyway

[hollow escarp]

also, you can time +15s as night fae

[small basin]

people still doing shaping fate/ world bosses?

guess if your rogue si newish

[hollow escarp]

there are still people in Korthia

so I assume yes

[floral shoal]

I do world bosses on all my chars (even those not needing anything) and world quests on none of them. Hoping to somehow show up in Blizzards statistics for content players like or not.

[sinful cradle]

Does bs mfd sim better for anyone else, or am i fcking something up in sims? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3oNnUVUmzuaVpQSRcSmKiQ

[gusty mirage]

Bs/mfd?!

[stark anchor]

maybe just cause obe instead of dashing? I'll sim myself and check

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-shocked-actually-gif-12423730

[sinful cradle]

New tech?

[gusty mirage]

[sinful cradle]

gonna be playing that shit in raid tonight

[gusty mirage]

Are you the chosen one?

The one who took down EP

[stark anchor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wty2p7cHDgYfXYGewBjgPg

I don't see it

well its 2 dps difference for obe actually

[sinful cradle]

gonna try sim with dashing now

[gusty mirage]

With Obedience it kinda makes sense, at least logically

Free CP from BS for flag stacks

[sinful cradle]

cant wait to highroll ambushprocs

[gusty mirage]

But idk tbh

[stark anchor]

I just always play EP/MFD anyway cause cba blindside

[sinful cradle]

seems like its only obe ye, dashing bs / ds is the highest in pure st

[thorny pond]

Obe is fun
I mean it’s big ole burst

Dashing is the virgin poison play

@gusty mirage who was the kyrian doomblader with the KA sim?

[limber lion]

12k sims? pog

[thorny pond]

12k sims are just due to the global inflation Cev. That’s all

[glass tulip]

are we all gonna ignore beachs new pfp?

[thorny pond]

Thank Quake

[glass tulip]

@spice spire Thanks, I hate it

[soft shale]

sometimes you have to accept things fast

[gusty mirage]

I don’t even remember tbh

[thorny pond]

Damn. It was interesting

[near bane]

did anyone tried the assassination challenge on low level char?

[arctic walrus]

🤨

everyone is low level

[near bane]

I mean yes, it is scaled

but it looks "different"

Im runnin cyclatron, 20% leech, heart of azerothm but Sigryn hit me like a truck

[grand ridge]

how much health do you have at that level

in TW

[near bane]

6.6

[vestal wren]

mage tower, around 6-7k

[grand ridge]

huh that sounds about right

I was 6.7 and 6.8 with a stam armor kit

is all of your gear item level 50 when its scaled down

[near bane]

do you remember how much Sigryn was hitting you?

more or less?

[grand ridge]

I've also noticed, certain green pieces although item level 50 give less stat than epic item level 50 pieces

like scaled down item level 50 pieces are better than legion green item level 50

[near bane]

oh that makes me think about BfA gear

I got 3 azerite pieces

with no secondary stats at all

maybe I should replace em

[grand ridge]

im going to go to the MT and enter it with bfa stuff on and let you know the difference I see

[near bane]

oh that's sounds great

[grand ridge]

those pieces give you more primary stat to make up for the lack of secondary iirc but it's not enough for the lack of secondary to be worht

[gusty mirage]

Azerite gear has more primary stat to make up for no secondaries so check them vs other gear to see if it’s worth

[quaint carbon]

does legions leg weapon works in MT ?

[grand ridge]

no

[gusty mirage]

Like 2-3 agi vs losing haste and crit for example would suck

[quaint carbon]

aight

[grand ridge]

omg

I think the green I bought

may have been a caster dagger now that I think about it

maybe thats why it had lesser stats lmfao

[near bane]

lel

[grand ridge]

thats a decent amount more agility but you lose 30 secondary stat

13 agility for 29 secondary stat

that sounds like it would make little difference

[near bane]

kk

[grand ridge]

you do get a bit more stam

[near bane]

maybe I just suck, that's all

[grand ridge]

idunno maybe it would be worth it I mean

I have 7250 health now

thats like 500 more health than I had in here before

[near bane]

I did fury and arms challenge on day one, with like 8 and 18 try

but the assassination one drive me mad

and back in legion was like the easiest one I did

[grand ridge]

those axes have minds of their own

I feel like the axes are the worst part

[near bane]

sure, usually I keep Jarl on his own, not even tryin to dot him

maybe that's the problem

[gusty mirage]

Nah the assassination one just punishes hard for mistakes. Grab the WA and keep trying you’ll get it

[near bane]

how much time I have before enrage?

[grand ridge]

are you running master poisoner and leeching poison

[gusty mirage]

6.5ish minutes