assassination

[tropic fog]

I’d out-parse your whole family tree in the chromosome raid

[cinder topaz]

Thank you ! I went through my spellbook but couldn't find that icon - I'll give the addon a go - my rogue is a boosted character so i've zero experience - and Hekili should help a bit early on 🙂

[balmy condor]

Chill homie

[slow marsh]

You can't even finish MT wym

[tropic fog]

Hop on and i’ll show you the runs it’s imposisble to do if you focus all vendettas on jarl

What’s yo overall for dps lil boi

[charred wraith]

Whats up with all pepega moments today :pepeclown-1:

[slow marsh]

It's a havoc player clearly

[tropic fog]

@slow marsh

Square up

[slow marsh]

Fair. Just try not to build bad habits and remember to take the training wheels off whenever you're ready

[tropic fog]

Let me see if you’re about that life

[slow marsh]

[tropic fog]

What was your overall dps son

That’s what i thought @slow marsh

[slow marsh]

Who even are you

[solid venture]

the guy got out of bed with the wrong foot obviously

[shut garnet]

yo is this a “post wcl” angle

[oak sky]

lol!

[proper summit]

I'd love to have the confidence to spend 16 hours doing sin mage challenge and then come out swinging when people tell him to check a guide

[slow marsh]

Like I'm flattered to be getting @ over and over but really

[iron orchid]

If not doing every activity that rewards with character customization undermined our performances in 'actual' content, I'd be a really bad rogue player

Maybe I am

[oak sky]

@slow marsh hi

🙂

[slow marsh]

@oak sky hi

[balmy condor]

It was like this in legion too for what it’s worth

People coming in complaining it’s too hard, blaming everything except themselves

[tropic fog]

Not complaining it’s hard for shit

[balmy condor]

Might’ve been worse in legion honestly because gear was actually huge for it

Cause it didn’t scale

[tropic fog]

I keep dying after jarl dies and caster hits 9% instead of 7% woth overall 1.1k

[proper summit]

Yeah, reading class discords has never been so much fun

[balmy condor]

Close to a kill!

[tropic fog]

When i’v watched vods of ppl getting it at 950 overall

[shut garnet]

class discords the first month of a new tier is where it peaks

[sturdy grove]

Hi guys, if I'm reading the pin correctly we will be crafting our cov legendary on a belt in 9.2 correct?

[slow marsh]

Just git gud idk

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[slow marsh]

Maybe, depends on tier stats and stuff

[sturdy grove]

awesome, thanks

[balmy condor]

Using some new magic thing

[tropic fog]

Simple question was vendetta the caster instead of jarl to make sure the shield isn’t absorbing more

Yet lazy pricks like @slow marsh and furry cat boi think they’re slick when they say “read a guide”

[slow marsh]

🐒

[solid venture]

take a chill pill

[slow marsh]

Back to felhammer with you

[solid venture]

seems like your ego is bruised from not being able to do MT , don't take it out on us

[slow marsh]

Begone

[tropic fog]

You still haven’t told me what your overall dps was, hope on a call and i’ll show you a perfect pull that proves it’s impossible to beat it if you keep using vendetta on jar

Or pipe down next you and your wannabe furry pet

[balmy condor]

Aighty dude

Calm down

[solid venture]

[slow marsh]

It was 1.2k

[balmy condor]

I was doing 1.2k the video is in the guide

It’s definitely doable

[slow marsh]

Just be better and you'll get it pal

[balmy condor]

I didn’t drums, didn’t use unbridled, and had meh trinkets

So

I think 1.4-1.5 should be doable if you full cheese

[tropic fog]

100 dps would account for 2% on the caster so that makes sense guess i need something other than dogshit shadowlands gear

[balmy condor]

You had a close pull, it dies soon

You got it

[tropic fog]

You’re so obese even your responser are slow

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

Still faster than your MT clear

[tropic fog]

This guy must be fatter he seems like he’s still struggling

[tropic fog]

🥰

[balmy condor]

Y’all wanna stop on your own, or do you need some help

[tropic fog]

Imma stop

[balmy condor]

Good choice

[tropic fog]

Don’t wanna have these fatties pull a muscle

[slow marsh]

You're lucky this guy holding me back

[tropic fog]

LOL WOOOOOF

[tropic fog]

imma tell you something your parents never told you; I love you 🥰

[kind talon]

@tropic fog i vendettad jar and did 1.3

and beat it

[balmy condor]

!mute @tropic fog 1h good luck on mage tower

[oak sky]

WTF

CENSORSHIP IN THE ROGUE DISCORD

[balmy condor]

!mute @slow marsh 1h antagonizing is a no no as well

[marble hemlock]

Thanks

@balmy condor antagonizing poison when?

[strange python]

Can he be force name changed I dont want my culture appropriated

[oak sky]

drama

:Drake:

[marble hemlock]

Idk what it is about things like PTR or Magetower bringing out the worst in people

[oak sky]

anyways time to go finish mage tower

👋

[strange python]

^him in mt

[oak sky]

i havent finished it yet

but i'm not insecure

ill get em next time

[shut garnet]

this was content

[analog glade]

New day to FARM THIS FUCKING RING

[steel ridge]

100% crit rate on bleeds, holy balls that sounds tasty

[marble hemlock]

Its not

Not on ST, anyway

[balmy condor]

It’s pretty decent aoe

Definitely helps the m+ bros

[versed mica]

didn't venomous wounds used to give extra energy from bleed crits at some point or did I just have a fever dream?

[marble hemlock]

Nah

[balmy condor]

Sin single target is 4p atm

[marble hemlock]

It used to proc damage

Which was poison dmg, which was affected by mastery

[analog glade]

OOOOOOOOOH rly just 1 dps 😦 for 22K

[marble hemlock]

We also used to play Venom Rush as a talent, which granted more energy on VW proc.

[kind talon]

WOW A MASTERY TIRNKET?!??!?!?? mastery is so good for assassination rogues right guys @balmy condor next tier 0% crit because of set bonus!?!?>

[analog glade]

Cleave trinket :/

[versed mica]

maybe thats what it was

[marble hemlock]

It also used to not proc on Garrote, only rupture.

[balmy condor]

Not this shit again

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

@balmy condor i'm something of a mastery shill myself

[kind talon]

@stoic needle

WE SUMMON THE MASTERY SHILL LORD

[marble hemlock]

i remember

the mastery copium

when we first saw set bonus

on whispyr stream

and whispyr said "you believe in the mastery dream seli?"

and i clicked the "drink water" button for 600 points to make him shut up

[balmy condor]

Once every 5 minutes

[marble hemlock]

its fun

and healthy

[balmy condor]

Idk if healthy is the right word

But I’m glad you’re having fun

[marble hemlock]

is it actually water youre drinking

like, pure tap water or?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Pure california tap water, with trace amounts of rocket fuel

[marble hemlock]

nice

wish i could get away from the flavors i add to mine

[soft shale]

barcelona water tastes really good at least

can drink all the time to assa getting mastery stackers

or outlaw

[balmy condor]

We’re talking aqua not tequila

Common language barrier

[soft shale]

tequila is from mexico in colombia we have aguardiente

in spain they have idk sangria

[raven vapor]

is specter of betrayal any good for mt?

[soft shale]

kj trinket should be kinda fine

havent tried tho

[wide hawk]

what flavors are you adding?

[thick sail]

I want to see a video of someone completing the tower with only items from Shadowlands

[small basin]

i did it

with only shadowlands stuff

[subtle tundra]

i did it with 1 hour of practice

[oak sky]

its definitely very possible

[thick sail]

@small basin what items did you use

[small basin]

ill show ya

[thick sail]

I'm in mostly 252 mythic+ crap

[small basin]

mine isnt mythic

but it doesnt matter

cos its scales down

[subtle tundra]

ilvl doesnt matter -.-

dom slots are disabled

all that matters is socketed gear and tertiary

[small basin]

i mostly went haste vers gear

with some crit

phial/fusion trinkets

[thick sail]

I know, having extra stats is how you cheese the system with over budgeted items

I'm saying I want to see it done without doing that

[subtle tundra]

how's it cheesing?

[small basin]

most important thign is bleeds bleeds bleeds

[subtle tundra]

literally shadowlands items

with socket

[small basin]

CT garrote and rupture

on all targets

kidney on cd unless the rage is coming

with internal bleeding

[thick sail]

@subtle tundra I mean using old pieces with 3 sockets

[small basin]

you dont need any old expansion stuff

[subtle tundra]

and i was talking about shadowlands gear

[small basin]

at all

[thick sail]

Do we only kshot the jarl?

[small basin]

yea

[thick sail]

Wouldn't that hit dr

[subtle tundra]

i only kidney'd the enrage

[small basin]

just wait 4 seconds

dr is 24 seconds

[subtle tundra]

evasion tank it at the start

and then kidney

[thick sail]

Okay

[subtle tundra]

thats 15 seconds of uptime

[small basin]

yeah you have 2 mins between the first and second enrage

so use kidney for damage and to reduce damage taken

[thick sail]

Does he always enrage at a specific time?

[small basin]

yes

get dbm challenge modes

[subtle tundra]

its a scripted fight

[small basin]

addon

[thick sail]

Okay, that's good to know

Oh

[small basin]

it shows you the timers

[subtle tundra]

literal dance

[thick sail]

Okay

That will make it a lot easier lol

[small basin]

yeah

[thick sail]

I have dbm but it wasn't giving any warnings

[small basin]

i got it after an hour

made things a bit easier

[subtle tundra]

also if you didnt know

they share health

no need to focus low hp or anything

just hit whatever

[small basin]

yeah i just focued the caster as its easier to kick then

as you're gonna be in range

[thick sail]

I did figure that out after a number of attempts, I'm also feeling like I need a better hud because it's really hard to keep track of bleeds on all 3

[small basin]

tbh i mainly kept up bleeds on 2

[subtle tundra]

you dont need to do it perfect

[small basin]

not so much on the one you blind

just wheni could

[subtle tundra]

i was fucking up big time when i was doing mechanics and still finished it with 1.1k dps

[small basin]

also mainly mutilate over FoK

if you aren't already

[thick sail]

I was doing about 900 but died to mechanics a lot

[small basin]

as its better on 3 targets

[thick sail]

Also wait what

I was using mainly fok

[subtle tundra]

mutilate is better on 3targets, what

[small basin]

mutilate

[subtle tundra]

its not a specific thing for this

[small basin]

dont use fok unless you have to do mechanics

and arent in range

[drifting cosmos]

yea its not legion/bfa anymore

[thick sail]

I did not know this

[small basin]

FoK on 4+

[drifting cosmos]

fok is a lot worse these days

[thick sail]

Christ.

[small basin]

mutilate does big dam, and has great cp generation

[subtle tundra]

it has better cp generation and bigger dmg

[small basin]

think FoK did like 2% of my damage

wheni did it

just when i was running to the runes

[thick sail]

Okay so I'll stay away from fok

[subtle tundra]

only time i fok was when i was running for mechanics and couldnt hit mobs with mutilate

[oak sky]

fok is fine to get deadly poison on targets as well

[thick sail]

How long does the jarl's enrage last?

[small basin]

yeah but CT normally applies poisons

[oak sky]

20s

[thick sail]

So after the kshot, do we shiv him and just run?

[small basin]

evason

and kite if no evasion

kite him to one side and shadowstep to a different boss

[subtle tundra]

you cant shiv

its not sootheable

[oak sky]

hes probably saying shiv just for the slow

[thick sail]

No, shiv just for crip

[subtle tundra]

dont

[small basin]

eh you should play mind numbing

[oak sky]

but imo numbing is better

[small basin]

not crip

[thick sail]

Oh

[small basin]

just flat damage reduction

[subtle tundra]

its like 5 seconds left on the enrage

[thick sail]

So basically everything I was doing was wrong.

[subtle tundra]

you can walk that out easily

[small basin]

well at least you know

and can do it better

[subtle tundra]

a lot of people like that, and just call the challenge impossible

[thick sail]

Do we run into situations where he's still enraged but there's runes on the ground

[small basin]

the mog is worth it, keep at it

[thick sail]

I feel like that was happening

[small basin]

yes

[subtle tundra]

gets frustrating when its many times a day

[small basin]

sprint/ evasion

kidney

3 tools

[thick sail]

But not all at once

[small basin]

ofc not

[thick sail]

One at a time

Okay

I feel like the jarl is the main problem

[small basin]

step too

[thick sail]

For me

[small basin]

yeah jarl is the hardest bit

the axes/ enrage

[thick sail]

Axes are also so hard to see because they don't have a ground indicator

[small basin]

you can tank a lot tbh

[thick sail]

So weird to tell if they're close or far

[small basin]

as long as you use feint and use the healing spheres

[thick sail]

The spheres, do they have a timer too, or random

[small basin]

they despawn fast

[thick sail]

Oh

[small basin]

oh you mean when they come

not sure

[thick sail]

Right

Like a scripted event

Or just random

[small basin]

also remember to use cloak

[thick sail]

I need that mod that counts things down, will help a lot I think

[small basin]

for when you either have to run over the puddles or just for oh shit button

[thick sail]

The puddles are cancer during the runes part

[small basin]

yeah well cloak immunes them

[thick sail]

Good to know

I'll give it a try tomorrow

I threw myself at the sub one and kept getting to phase 3 and instant dying

Finally had to look up the fight

[small basin]

i only did the assa one

just wanted the mog

heard outlaw is pretty easy tho

[thick sail]

Do we only have to do one for the mog?

[small basin]

yes

[thick sail]

Oh okay

I'll try again tomorrow, thanks folks

[shell kettle]

Are they all 3 supposed to go ham at the same time? I literally had all 3 ults in the same second

And dark charge too

[balmy condor]

enrage

[shell kettle]

🤔

[balmy condor]

there's a nasty overlap about 5 minutes in

where they do all 3

and then there's a hard enrage at about 6:30

where they just enrage and spam cast

[shell kettle]

I dont think that was it

Ye it was the 5 minute one

[small basin]

at the hard enrage the main boss just slaps you for half your hp too

i killed it just as the hard enrage happened

[shell kettle]

I was down to 160k, so I think I was fine damage wise

Just had to blind kidney blast

I was so not prepared for that 😂

[indigo ginkgo]

so , how we setting with the new 2pc set bonus ? at least its an increase do aoe bleeds now

[balmy condor]

just checked what I do for this one, blind sigryn, kidney jarl, pump into runeseer, then run away and kite, run back to the seer, finish the shield, leave sigryn in the blind as much as possible, she then casts another one right after, you deal with it the same way, ideally jarl is dead for the second one

[balmy condor]

it doesn't do much for single target but the aoe is nice, yaeh

[dense kiln]

So The new 2pc change is when we shiv or just flat out bleed crit chance ?

[balmy condor]

when you shiv

you get 100% bleed crit on every bleed

for 9 seconds

[shell kettle]

Ye I was thinking something along those lines. Thanks

[balmy condor]

the time before that happens is really nice to vendetta + vanish and slam some damage to try and kill

[shell kettle]

I honestly am not paying attention to healthbars at all rn

[balmy condor]

yeah I wouldn't either

[indigo ginkgo]

all bleeds ? like necro one bloodfang ?

[balmy condor]

but it's good to at least aim to kill jarl at around that point

[balmy condor]

correct

[indigo ginkgo]

i thought it only affet specific rogue abilitis nice

[oak sky]

nice just beat it

[spark scaffold]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CmTvLrNPGa1XD7YW#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=3

What is that countermeasure damage

[shell kettle]

ez 8%

dude i just got so fucked

was gonna kill

boss bugs out of ring

resets and doesnt come back

dfalkjhdfakjghfdskjhgfdashkjl

[spark scaffold]

play night fae 8 set if you want easy mode

read outlaw spec discussion if you want to know what it does

idk if its intended or not for it to work in mage tower though

[shell kettle]

Nah im not looking for an easy way out

[analog glade]

Kill me please, the ring will never drop !

[shell kettle]

dw itll be nerfed to uselessness anyway

[analog glade]

idk xD

[opaque lake]

I try mt right now and what I found is my vendetta usage are pretty bad. How do I use vendetta on a cleave fight? Do I just go hard on one target?

[balmy condor]

Yeah make sure you have dots up, vendetta, and then pump that target

[opaque lake]

so at start 3x garrot, CT for all, rupture on vendetta target and go?

[small basin]

muti/ fok depending on target after the garrote for 5 point ct no?

[rocky escarp]

hows the new tierset looking?

[thin trout]

not the best, i like the look of older tier sets more

[thorny pond]

Or do you mean how does it play lol

[rocky escarp]

lol yea

[thorny pond]

T20 recolor and mythic sanctum are pretty cool leather looks for modern though

[thorny pond]

Blizz stated yesterday they want more feedback about the 4pc so it may go live as the bugged version or they may make it work as intended

2pc got a slight buff and now applies to all active bleeds.

So we have a 4pc that offers really strong burst and resource churn potential which gives us a new niche and buffers our ST damage more. It plays well with Venthyr if we can get them to sync with legendary.

2pc is okay. Our bleeds aren’t a big damage component in ST but making it all bleeds will shift the meta in cleave and AoE content. I believe CT is affected by it so that also changes the talent meta and potential

It’s not my most favorite tier set for rogue (I only skipped bfa as rogue) but the fact that they are very open and transparent to feedback makes me the most optimistic for this set going in

[rocky escarp]

Amazing, thanks! Have been too busy with life to keep up with the game and changes lately

[vestal wren]

9.2 won't be soon

[thorny pond]

I feel it. Hopefully we know more as we get to play test it more on PTR. Two legos and implemented sims will help narrow down what is bis. I can’t speak to how we stack up against other DPS but happy with the progress

[vestal wren]

so you can relax and check whats new closer to 9.2 release

[thorny pond]

Long PTR. Settle in with some snacks

[gusty mirage]

Who pinged me in the middle of the night

[glad narwhal]

I’m so bad at the rogue MT. 😭

[soft shale]

i always have ghost pings

they disappear

somehow

[urban nova]

what's the reasoning for opening with mutilate instead of ambush?

[charred wraith]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[soft shale]

who was it

show yourself

[urban nova]

thanks brotha

[vestal wren]

also, pls don't do that

[nocturne geode]

you dont even ambush from sepsis

it gets no benefit froms stealth so there for you still mutilate

[charred wraith]

no fun allowed

[nocturne geode]

its one of the reasons sepsis is weaker bc there is no stealth benefit from abilities used

def an oversight of the power imo

[viscid spear]

So Obedience+Duskwalker is looking like the play so far?

[soft shale]

seems like it unless they do more changes

but they will

[nocturne geode]

yea unless they rehaul some cov/legendary cov powers

[viscid spear]

Do they need to? That combo already seems great, can't imagine what other one they would change

[thorny pond]

NF buff

could change SBS and that crazy shit

[subtle tundra]

koji said he will do some sims this weekend

[viscid spear]

Yeah, the updated 2pc hasn't come to PTR yet, right?

[subtle tundra]

for ST its the same but instead of 25, its 100% crit

so not like its hard to change i guess

[nocturne geode]

what im meaning is SBS leggo is bad give literally 0 value to the cov in terms of dps gain for that cov/ sepsis power in general needs looked at maybe added value of benifit from stealth would be neat/ maybe then worth looking at benifit of leggo

[subtle tundra]

also, m+ with the 2pc and zoldyck uhjdfjsgn jndfij gnsbiub

[viscid spear]

Necro stock is falling bc the sets' bleed effects don't include SBS, right?

[nocturne geode]

no the legendary even by itself is 0 dps gain or trash

[viscid spear]

So Venthyr is the clear choice?

[nocturne geode]

yea bc the the stat steriod

[subtle tundra]

yea, necro wasnt even considered for ST

unless they do something to the leggo

[nocturne geode]

^

being goated into 1 cov is monka

[viscid spear]

I was trying to be Necro Sin for m+ but I just can't not be Venthyr; Flag is so nice

[nocturne geode]

being able to play atleast 2 covs viably would be nice

interms of most cov powers i think most class atleast have that option even if theres a clear winner for raid

maybe we should comment on the thread to look at these outliers for cov choice

see what they do then

[gusty mirage]

Well all signs point that they’ll have to rebalance legendaries for double leggo

So I wouldn’t worry too much just yet

[nocturne geode]

yeah im just saying no ones mentioning this on the thread

so they might overlook it as not a prob

[gusty mirage]

Because the thread is about the tier sets

[viscid spear]

Rebalancing could make Deathspike viable, but how

[gusty mirage]

Not legendaries

[nocturne geode]

death spike leggo needs changed completely imo

maybe for it to make deathspike itself stronger over more charges

thatd be neat

3 charges is plenty

why 5?!

literal trash

[gusty mirage]

Because that was the original design, 5 charges and they cleave 2(?) more spikes iirc

[nocturne geode]

i mean if they all cleave its 10

[viscid spear]

Do a lot of other classes have a Cov leggo that is pure AoE and garbage on ST?

[gusty mirage]

Then outlaw rogues we’re averaging 26k sustain aoe on ptr and it got nerfed

[nocturne geode]

BUT interms of value kekw

[gusty mirage]

Woulda been the go to for assassination m+

But also obedience was significantly stronger than it is now and also got nerfed

[nocturne geode]

also while sepsis is sketch the fact that the ability gives you use of a stealth ability that doesnt benefit from stealth is like ??????hello????

[gusty mirage]

Tbf sepsis has always been garbage

[drifting cloud]

[gusty mirage]

People played fae in 9.0 because the soulbinds were stronger than the rest

[nocturne geode]

idk i have a couple really good parses with it just trolling in relcears

[subtle tundra]

cant have fun shit cause then its broken on outlaw so it gets nerfed for all specs

😕

(see: vanish legendaries)

[gusty mirage]

They could’ve just made it so the additional spikes didn’t flurry and it would’ve been fine

But blizz is lazy or couldn’t figure out how to not have that happen

[subtle tundra]

yea but that requires worK!

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

!!

!

[gusty mirage]

Yep exactly

Fucking sucks man

I was so excited for deathspike after playing with it on the ptr

[nocturne geode]

im just saying the fact that thread doesnt also includes ideas on this is kinda cringe

while i do love there listening to yall feedback

[gusty mirage]

I think they just kinda mailed it in on covenants

Just another borrowed power system that ended up being a snooze

[nocturne geode]

thats not an excuse when others have gotten viable changes

[gusty mirage]

Took almost 2/3? of the expac for them to let us freely switch and remove conduit energy

Things that they got plenty of feedback in during alpha and beta and release

[nocturne geode]

again still an excuse lol

im just not good at wording things only reason i havent posted

[gusty mirage]

What? What “viable” changes have others gotten to their covenant legendaries?

[nocturne geode]

im talking in general

[gusty mirage]

If anything the only changes to covenant legendaries have been nerfs

You can’t specify covenants and covenant legendaries and then talk about viable changes generally

That’s not even comparing the same thing

[nocturne geode]

yes you can you just serperate different changes that gave options

[gusty mirage]

Wat

You’re asking for a covenant legendary to be redesigned months after they already went over that stuff because some other class had a class ability or conduit changed?

How does that even work lol

[nocturne geode]

maybe im not talking clearly im just sayin we went from 2-3 playable option to 1 theres an issue here

[gusty mirage]

We have at earliest 3 months until 9.2, and signs are pointing at them having to rebalance legendaries at least a little bit. So maybe after they sort the mess they created with these tier sets we’ll get some looks at the covenant legendaries

[nocturne geode]

yea i agree with that

im just saying noones talking about it

SO they may overlook it

[gusty mirage]

Be the change you want to see in the world

[nocturne geode]

[timid cloud]

There goes Oxi with bad takes & flame again...

[subtle tundra]

wowo

[timid cloud]

When will the toxicity end???

[subtle tundra]

oxi just has special takes

[timid cloud]

We do a little trolling.

[subtle tundra]

we're mastery gamers next patch, right?

[timid cloud]

TRUE

[gusty mirage]

Flame?

[timid cloud]

MASTER POISONER PIONEERS

[gusty mirage]

Where’s the flame

I’ll wait

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-waiting-still-waiting-gif-13052487

[half tartan]

Hello boys, I at the moment see myself as an average to above average mythic raiding rogue, and would like to learn how to teach myself to be better when it comes to output damage wise. The major things I've come to are; optimizing my class for max value with my raid, RNG(I don't wanna blame RNG), and of course playing my class better. Is there anything that you started doing to take you from avg or "good" to exceptional? Is there something that I am clearly doing incorrectly that I am blind to.(Did miss a vanish and a few arcane torrents).

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XBLA37GmVfvjxMwd#fight=last&type=damage-done

[timid cloud]

Oh my god. That is in fact, a link.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that link is massive holy

[half tartan]

I pinned a few things like elaborate planning and such

CD usage, etc

[thorny pond]

yea don't

[nocturne geode]

[gusty mirage]

Damn Puff’s a homie

[drifting cloud]

I just mash buttons

seems to work

[gusty mirage]

Ryler out here pretending he doesn’t know what he’s doing

[drifting cloud]

I dont think ive ever opened my logs

[gusty mirage]

Yeah cuz you’re a god tier gamer

[nocturne geode]

whispyr told me im special and my thoughts while not always clear are valued

🙂

[drifting cloud]

just have better gear oxi solves everything

then wft, maybe even ka for a week

[gusty mirage]

Cries in 18 attempts in Vault with no trinket even dropping

[drifting cloud]

dont worry blizz is gonna ban it

[gusty mirage]

Maybe if I never get it, they’ll leave it alone

[drifting cloud]

but then Id have to farm it

[gusty mirage]

Okay okay you convinced me. Back to the grind

[drifting cloud]

or well I probably wouldnt but you get the idea

[timid cloud]

[drifting cloud]

I did tank last boss in a 10 when the 2 people died to the wall, fun dungeon

[timid cloud]

I got a 6 for ya, Oxi.

[gusty mirage]

You too?

[timid cloud]

Go ahead & hop in.

[half tartan]

got rid of pins

[thorny pond]

@half tartan

recheck your opener

you don't want to use shiv in the MA window

[gusty mirage]

I can’t anymore. It got so bad I voluntarily booted up Diablo 3

[nocturne geode]

would anyone be willing to make a post on my behalf that is better worded than i could do on the topic? 🙂 just wanna see if something comes of it

[half tartan]

Here I have a remnant log as well; https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3tx84HMFJGZ1gNdT#fight=20&type=damage-done

[thorny pond]

Not a huge deal on Guardian but try not to desync vanish too far into vendetta

eventually over the course of a longer fight it will screw you

[half tartan]

Good advice I've noticed it has screwed me before

[drifting cloud]

[thorny pond]

really it's pretty decent. Just make sure you aren't getting in the habit of refreshing dots too early

there were one or two spots I noticed you refreshed before pandemic

[gusty mirage]

I'm down bad man

6 courts, 18 vaults, and nothing

[thorny pond]

damn oxi you got keys

[north pecan]

Do we have anything from Legion M+ or is it all trash?

[nocturne geode]

im at 23 vaults 18 courts 😦

[gusty mirage]

atuo attack ring and whetstone from court of stars, faulty countermeasure from vault

[gusty mirage]

Our only salvation is they nerf them so that they're about even w/ current trinkets so we don't have to cry anymore

[fading wigeon]

Didn't Blizzard say they are looking at the trinkets and might nerf

There was a wowhead article

[nocturne geode]

i mean i dont mind it personally

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[fading wigeon]

Good

[nocturne geode]

i dont want them nerfed

there good but other stuff is close

just cool to have something to shoot for

[gusty mirage]

They definitely need to be tweaked, but I hope they don't make them worthless (which I highly doubt they won't obliterate them)

[thorny pond]

Yea but they typically don't like to time/luck gate people like that

[fading wigeon]

Don't want something that's available only two weeks to be good

[gusty mirage]

There's no reason a 246 legion m+ timewalking trinket should be 180 dps over a 252 current raid trinket

[nocturne geode]

usually if they nerf it they break them to be always trash

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's what I'm afraid of

[fading wigeon]

They should just make time walking legion Kes a permant thing though

[thorny pond]

If Oxi runs 100 keys and gets 0 but I run 2 keys and get ring and trinket now I am suddenly 150 DPS better than him by sheer luck that isn't repeatable?

[gusty mirage]

if it was like 10-20 dps more or less than a 252 guardian trinket

it's fine imo

[nocturne geode]

literally so many of my twink sets are useless now bc of mage tower

[gusty mirage]

but 180dps is wild

[nocturne geode]

and i spend hours or alot of gold setting those up

literally upset about it

[gusty mirage]

yeah they should've just re-enabled legion legendaries for the tower imo

would've actually been fun

[thorny pond]

ha

[timid cloud]

TBH if you read that article, the wording is a bit funky & it actually makes it sound like they're only looking to tune those trinkets for the mage tower.

[half tartan]

I think I'm gonna try to train myself to be better at elaborate planning, not refresh out of pandemics, not desyncing vanishes, not screwing up opener, not missing CDS(arcane torrent), learning fight mechs that potentially add damage(rupturing orbs on remnant??). Also, is the general consensus to Flagellation on CD or sync with Vendetta?

[timid cloud]

But that could be me just tinfoiling.

[gusty mirage]

on cd unless you'll miss a cast

[thorny pond]

worrying about EP is a waste of brain bandwidth

[gusty mirage]

so you typically sync the last cast of each

[nocturne geode]

that not what there doing lol tho just wait

there destroying those items

[thorny pond]

if you want to mid-max, just don't spam envenom, pool a bit between then finish but that was like what, .1% DPS

[gusty mirage]

I want to not believe this, but I know better

[kindred rapids]

Yeah it's clearly in the context of nerfing things for magetower. Doesn't mean they won't just dumpster them though.

[gusty mirage]

"Oh we accidentally gave you a super strong item? Okay nerf"

[nocturne geode]

^

[timid cloud]

It's possible, but at the same time, I don't think it's a ridiculous item.

[nocturne geode]

a big fun detected nerf bat

[rustic niche]

hey does sigryn challenge has a enrage timer?

[timid cloud]

Yes.

[gusty mirage]

it's kinda like in 8.3 when I had two gushing wounds and had a boe drop in raid and some dude paid me 5 million gold for it

[thorny pond]

630

[gusty mirage]

then they announced the vendor the next day

and then announced the gushing wounds nerf 3 days later

thanks for the brutosaur mr. dh

[nocturne geode]

omg same

on my fire mage i literally did not have masterfull till the vendor bc i sold them

[timid cloud]

Gushers in PvP were WHEW

BIG wild.

[gusty mirage]

yeah imagine them pre-nerf

[drifting cloud]

🏦

[nocturne geode]

wait till you have a sin rogue open on you every 45 sec in pvp w fast bleeds

😄

[gusty mirage]

I'll just play my monk, get a chi-ji proc and delete him in a global

[drifting cloud]

my friend sold an is3 on a HEROIC boe for like 5mil 1st or 2nd week

shit was insane

and so many dumbasses on my server especially

[nocturne geode]

right?

[gusty mirage]

that was every server man lmao

[nocturne geode]

now we have the leggo inflateagate market

[drifting cloud]

nah your server doesnt have this

[subtle tundra]

how is that bad?

[gusty mirage]

I remember tokens hit close to 400k in NA

[drifting cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558287147388370957/916202396634451968/unknown.png

[subtle tundra]

is3 first week

was INSANE

[gusty mirage]

damn point proven

ye IS3 in pvp meant you won too so pvpers were after it too

arena first few weeks of 8.3 was toxic af

just stars killing you from the other side of the map

[nocturne geode]

if your not lucky enough to have the gold or craft it every time leggo rank goes up blizz is like thatll be 20$ please

[drifting cloud]

nah that was nerfed pretty fast it just felt longer

[timid cloud]

God I hated that.

or T-Dev tanks.

[drifting cosmos]

sounds pretty fun, star days

[gusty mirage]

in stealth? bam stars

lmao

[timid cloud]

One banging your entire group.

[gusty mirage]

yea I think you're right, it might've been the next day or two

[drifting cosmos]

or early td days, tank topping dps

[timid cloud]

You ever seen a tank solo 1 side of Carapiece? Or one shot mythic N'zoth tentacles?

I have.

[drifting cloud]

early? you mean whole tier

[nocturne geode]

i mean tbf tanks needed td to hold threat

bc we were all giga

[timid cloud]

That is just simply not true.

Only if you were a monkey did you ever have issues like that.

[nocturne geode]

alright not like i wasnt playing firemage w a significantly high io or anything

[timid cloud]

I too, can't hit the threat buttons.

[nocturne geode]

literally a monster at threat on big pulls

[timid cloud]

I ripped into 5k io players like cheese with my TD. LOL

Nothing but 📠

[drifting cosmos]

when your td procs, io doesnt matter anymore lol you just top the meter

[timid cloud]

No printer.

^

[drifting cosmos]

but in early days you had to be lucky to get it

[nocturne geode]

what i was saying is tank needed it to help them try to hold threat

bc we were all so powerful compared to thier threat

on big pulls

[drifting cosmos]

idk, with rogues/hunters in grp, threat usually is alright

[nocturne geode]

yea just another way to help for sure

[timid cloud]

Well, Hunter was the most played class in M+ besides Outlaw Rogue.

[drifting cosmos]

but thats mostly a tank issue, i have never seen a high io tank lose threat ever

[timid cloud]

& Fire Mage

[nocturne geode]

unholy dk was also a threat pumper

[drifting cosmos]

oh yea that 1mil dps in mdi, was it 8.2 or something

in wm

[nocturne geode]

yea

quadratic scaling

[drifting cosmos]

meh, dk move too slow lol cant never gotten used to it

moves like a wheelchair

[nocturne geode]

paladins the wheelchair class of legion

🙂

was such a good time being in the pally disc back then xD

[drifting cosmos]

i wonder what survivor hunter disc is like

[nocturne geode]

ha

[drifting cosmos]

ive played 3 expansions never seen sv hunter any good in any patches

[nocturne geode]

check wcl there are a few

and have been a few last coupl ex pacs

[trail mica]

sv hunter was king in cata and mop

[drifting cosmos]

i mean good like mainstream, not meta, but at least middle of the pack

[nocturne geode]

thats not this version

[soft shale]

surv hunters were really good on gul dan

they trivialized one of the tighest dps checks early on

was kinda cool if you had one first few weeks

[grand ridge]

man blizz ruined survival it was perfect in cata

[sour elm]

I know survi is technically good for the hunter specs; but it in my opinion has one of the worst feeling rotation in the game

[cerulean nest]

any helpful weakauras for KT prog?

also how many did you send downstairs?

[gusty mirage]

https://wago.io/-T2eAtxNX for people upstairs I had another one that showed add health for me when I was downstairs but I don't remember the name of it

[cerulean nest]

that'd be helpful

does this just send an alert once the phylactery hits a certain %?

[gusty mirage]

I believe so

I never got the chance to stay up

so I'm not entirely sure

[cerulean nest]

lol cool

how many did you send down usually?

[gusty mirage]

uhhh iirc it's like 5 people

first kill with my old guild I think it was 6

1 healer, 1 boomie, 2 warriors, a dh, and me

looking at logs it was 6 for my new guild too

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

[gusty mirage]

DH would just jump down and hit it for the debuff

[lapis spindle]

They fixed this, Gz Blizzard

Now we cannot transmog outlaw wepaons to sub

[muted ivy]

my man really went back 9 months to reply to tht

[lapis spindle]

Yeah I used his method back then

And wanted to do it again

[muted ivy]

lol

big RIPperoni

[lapis spindle]

Well blizzard hates fun, don't you know that

[vestal wren]

its fixed for a while now

[lapis spindle]

[limber lion]

Sheeesh, that's an old message

Man's digging all the way from March

[lapis spindle]

You are the one who helped me fin d a way tho

[limber lion]

:p

[lapis spindle]

So yeah it's fixed now

[strange python]

9.2 mastery build, line up third vendetta with Bell? xD

[kind talon]

True!!!!!!

[limber lion]

Xddddd

[slow marsh]

Oops

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[slow marsh]

Idk I also somehow got muted for someone else being toxic towards me

[marble hemlock]

Cause engaging with idiots

Is not a good idea

[slow marsh]

I was trying not to tbh

Was kinda surprised he was allowed to say as much as he did

[marble hemlock]

Ye well, he would've stopped if no one engaged with him.

[spice spire]

Explain me then, Mr. Seliathan

[marble hemlock]

No

Go away

Come back with George pics

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

I did stop and he kept pinging me over and over

It's whatevers though

[glass tulip]

[subtle tundra]

lets have an argument!

[manic harness]

I'm pretty sure I'm the luckiest rogue NA

got ring first run

got countermeasure 2nd run

[solid venture]

meanwhile im 25 runs into votw and haven't seen it drop

this fuckin game

[thorny pond]

Where is everyone getting keys?

I see 2 posted

[bleak sky]

reroll keys with guildies

[thorny pond]

All my friends hate me

[glass tulip]

true, imagine not having a raid logging guild

good thing im out on tuesday

[strange python]

lol only 25...i've amassed 7,000 valor...not sure how the math works out on that

Faulty gonna get nerfed tho

you think?

I mean waht's the fear - rogues might be with boomkins?

[slow marsh]

Na people are just crying about how strong it is compared to raid trinks

[strange python]

Blue post said legion TW trinket nerds

Nerfs

Hard to imagine a better target

Also I have mine, so not jealousy salt

[vestal wren]

did miss the blue post

but thw trinkets do not seem highly overpowered

[strange python]

Faulty only seems like an outlier for sin, outlaw, vengeance, brm

Mostly frost set for the first 3

And honestly probably because fusion amp is kinda bad more than anything

[vestal wren]

the aa ring is actually quite big for sin

[strange python]

100ish for me

But there's never any CoS groups and my guild pretends to be afk when I ask for 2 farms

[vestal wren]

not everyone is into the 2 grind

[quaint carbon]

CoS +2 be filled in 10sec by 2800rio people

[strange python]

I did 30 vaults for their faulty after I already had mine

:(

[vestal wren]

30 runs wow that sounds painful

[strange python]

2 faulties

[subtle tundra]

the 2 grind is stupid and the reroll guy should only appear for +10 onwards

imo

[strange python]

I'm okay with that if you can buy items from vendors.

Too hard to farm shit when no one's doing this content already

[vestal wren]

not sure if i prefere 2 farm or 10+ farms

[subtle tundra]

i prefer neither

dont make time limited content with gear as good as this

beating all mythic raid loot

but if i had to choose between +2 or +10, i'd take the +10 since that atleast makes the players press their buttons

[vestal wren]

its rather irrelevant atm

there is no content that get trivialized more by the tw stuff atm

its good that 1-2 items are relevant

it means you have a incentive to run the old content outside of "for fun"

[subtle tundra]

it just feels "mandatory" to farm it
basically "guaranteed" bis if enough time put in

and its not a small difference either

if it were 20-30 dps

i wouldnt care

its big

[polar cape]

bis item are a social construct

/s

[vestal wren]

well its a very small diffrence on subtlety

[subtle tundra]

that doesnt change

my point

[vestal wren]

0.4% was the highest gain i saw when running sims for the items (sims are pinned in #subtlety )

[subtle tundra]

i care about assa

uwu

and its even more on other classes

its really big on fury

[vestal wren]

.4% is around 30-40 dps so probably in the range you wanted

[subtle tundra]

you cant take 1 case

[vestal wren]

and given that subtlety is atm overall stronger, it might be a case of not being a "required" grind

[subtle tundra]

but thats 1 spec......

what about other specs......

[vestal wren]

ofc its one spec

but you also decided to play assassination when its dps wise worse

[subtle tundra]

but what if im fury warrior?

[vestal wren]

so why bother if there is one item that you can also ignore if you want

the tw dungeon will be not open when the new patch drops

and raid/m+ items from the new season with higher itemlevel will make those items not better anymore

[subtle tundra]

it will open like 2 months after new patch drops, and it will be relevant

with even less time to farm

2 months is still during progress for 90% of the guilds

probably including mine

[vestal wren]

what means you can farm it if you want some additional output

not that you are required to do so

[subtle tundra]

and if i dont, im just behind everyone else that got lucky/no lifed it for the 1 week

with absolutely nothing to do about it

[vestal wren]

also the next raid could have strong trinkets

[subtle tundra]

or it could have bad trinkets, putting even more value on farming these

[vestal wren]

so potential that the mega dungeon m+ trinkets and raid trinkets are powerful enough to make you not care

[subtle tundra]

i just feel like it should be in line with the other current trinkets

guardian trinket hasnt dropped for me yet, so farming this is a "guaranteed" mega upgrade

[vestal wren]

isn't that something positive?

[subtle tundra]

no

[vestal wren]

you have a lower chance to get the guardian trinket

[subtle tundra]

but what if i already had it

and i still had to farm

[vestal wren]

so tw allowes you to get a similar/better trinket with a way higher success rate

[subtle tundra]

it would've been from 200 dps upgrade to 150

if it were similar, i'd be ok

but its a lot better

[vestal wren]

you would still need to farm it, so your complain would still apply?

[subtle tundra]

no

cause im not farming it

its 1 item out of a pool of 16 items, when dungeons drop 2 items

for 5 players

not a math magician but that seems too low

for the effort

[vestal wren]

in a dungeon you can do in 8 minutes

infinite

[subtle tundra]

i like playing the game

doing +2s isnt

[vestal wren]

thats fair, if you don't like doing certain content its fine to want this content to not be relevant

[subtle tundra]

i love the legion m+

but so far i've been spending most of my time in cos and still dont have the finger

with much better chances of dropping

theoretically speaking

[vestal wren]

the ring seems more problematic

[subtle tundra]

its less of an upgrade than the trinket

its only good if you autoattack a lot AND haste is good for your class

[vestal wren]

its due to what i did hear in dps increase just as bad as the trinket

so for nerfs, if both is over budget it both needed to be nerfed

[glass matrix]

how good is the trinket from votw?

[lethal saffron]

im 251 and its worth about 270 dps

[vestal wren]

they should def. keep the items slightly stronger as raid options

it makes tw m+ relevant

[subtle tundra]

also, next week is push week so i wont have time to farm votw/cos

[urban nova]

if you're pooling for envenom while on 4-5 CP and shiv comes off CD do you press it?

[thin trout]

i'm simming double Sinful Revelation on Edge of Night Mythic + Heroic higher than Sinful Revelation + OH Celestial

it has to be a bug right?

[grand ridge]

I believe you should in general try to pool for shiv assuming your bleeds have enough time left on them to get several envenoms in before they need refreshing

[gusty mirage]

I just think they should be more in-line power-wise with stuff we have available to us. Instead of like 170-250 dps increases we've seen floating around for people for the vault trinket tbh

Like Varas said, if it's 20-30 dps its whatever you don't feel obligated to farm it

but something as large as 100+ dps for one slot is kind of massive

[glass tulip]

Yeah it just doesn't make sense for such a weird timewalking item to outperform a current mythic level item by so much

[gusty mirage]

like rn I'm 252 ilvl equipped and upgrading my mh dagger to a 259 edge of night is only 148 dps

[vestal wren]

i am with that, as long as they stay good

[gusty mirage]

kinda wild that a legion m+ trinket is a bigger dps increase than that

[vestal wren]

e.g. just making tw items strictly worse takes away appeal to run it

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's what I'm worried about

that they obliterate them and make them bad

which is silly

[vestal wren]

the ring is rather irrelevant on sub, hence not a lot of ppl care about it that mainly play sub

[gusty mirage]

its a small dps increase right?

[vestal wren]

its not even a dps win

[glass tulip]

Is the appeal of timewalking to get current tier gear?

[gusty mirage]

well the issue with that is like a +15 legion tw dungeon is as hard as 18s for current content

and you get no score

so like if it isn't for personal satisfaction and gear, it'd be quickly obsolete content

[vestal wren]

i think timewalking is a experiment from blizz

to test the waters so to say

[gusty mirage]

it'd be neat if they included a separate tw m+ score

would incentivize people to take it a lil more seriously than trying to farm an OP trinket or ring

[vestal wren]

i hope blizz steps up and does something a bit more in terms of content conservation

and timewalking is their implementation of such a system

[gusty mirage]

yeah I think if they pushed forth reviving old content like they did for legion tw m+ it'd be great

[glass tulip]

My thing is that I don't see that content as built towards people wanting gear to push content and therefore should just strictly be worse. Of course the situation is now drastically different with Legion dungeons being scaled to current level but it is just poor design for such scarce items to outperform current dungeon/raid gear.

[gusty mirage]

like not running retail keys and getting some reward is nice

[vestal wren]

only thing i wish is that they would re-visit the dungeons a bit

and fix some design issues

[glass tulip]

It makes no sense and provides incentive in a highly negative way to run the dungeons. For instance, I think I would really enjoy playing a +15 court of stars or Vault and try a new dungeon I have never played before but when I feel like I have to run the dungeon X amount of times to go get something I need for more player power instead of enjoying the experience

its like choreghast all over again but high stress farming simulator instead of weekly chore

[vestal wren]

not sure if you would feel as obligated to farm if the difference was like .2% dps

[glass tulip]

Correct.

Hopefully FCM specifically gets tuned down

[vestal wren]

and having small dps increases makes the content exciting, as you gain something in return for doing it

if items are too bad it becomes a "for fun"

and for fun is nice but also somehting you do once and never touch again

[glass tulip]

Which I think the M+ changes the for fun standpoint

people are still running current M+ for fun (or score) but mostly for fun

[vestal wren]

i can't argue on this because i have no data on how big the player retention is in m+

but looking at my fl/guild it did not seem extremely high

[glass tulip]

yeah my personal view is just there there is a "pick 2" triangle with power, fun, and challenge and legion M+ just took all 3

[subtle tundra]

i still dont understand why the majority of the playerbase will only play for the rewards :(, but thats besides the point

[glass tulip]

if the mage tower didnt give a reward I would have still gone to do it

[copper sundial]

i suppose people have different reasons for playing or derive fun in different ways. Personally gear incentivizes me without a doubt.

[vestal wren]

the reward is just a bonus point

e.g. mage tower with 0 reward would not be as appealing

image if you would not get a achivement/tmog for completing it

[subtle tundra]

well, true

but if there was no rewards they could've made it harder for the challenge

[vestal wren]

the challange are already tuned fairly tight

[subtle tundra]

im gonna finish all 7 mage towers soon(TM) and i guess the mount is nice

[vestal wren]

a lot of ppl struggle with subtlety, i get a lot of dms and #subtlety also has regular people come in that struggle

[subtle tundra]

imo the assa one was easy

its harder than normal content, but not hard

[glass tulip]

I wouldn't say easy but it definitely provides a fun level of challenge that feels good to clear

[subtle tundra]

well, i said imo cause for me it felt easy

[vestal wren]

i think its hard to generalize

because you can't expect everyone to be on the same level

[subtle tundra]

i like prestige, and making prestigious single player content would be very welcomed by me

[uneven hamlet]

it took me 100 tries for the assa challenge, but it was my first time

[copper sundial]

i thought it was satisfying but perhaps they could have implemented it in a way that it continues to scale if you're just there for the challenge.

[uneven hamlet]

the outlaw one i'm 30 tries in and w several -10% tries, so its way easier

[vestal wren]

just talking about subtlety, even experienced subtlety players with rly good parses often did require multiple tries to clear it

[subtle tundra]

took me like 3-4 hours of tries

for sub one

[vestal wren]

did you use any cheeses or in full sl gear?

[subtle tundra]

only unbridled pot

everything else, shadowlands

how tf do i put widgets on my phone screen

unrelated

[vestal wren]

and this comes to the point you need to consider the audience for the mage tower

[glass tulip]

usually hold down and itll pop an option up

[subtle tundra]

nothing pops up:(( there must be some setting somewhere

[glass tulip]

a major issue I think was blizz not being forthcoming with saying what the expected level of challenge would be

who is supposed to be able to clear this

[subtle tundra]

well, its fine to have mage tower for everyone to do but some harder content thats only doable by the really good players would be welcome

[glass tulip]

That would be great, if it was advertised that way

[subtle tundra]

i shouldnt be able to go on a spec i dont play and knock it out in a couple of hours

[vestal wren]

i saw a lot of ppl waiting for reset to have the challanges potentially nerfed

i think the audience is to small if its only hardcore

[glass tulip]

but if it's tuned to heroic raid level? That sounds pretty reasonable

[vestal wren]

i am not sure whats the sweet spot

and i am luckily not in the positon to decide on this

[glass tulip]

heroic raid week 1/2 to be specific, but I agree I'm not trying to solve the shortcomings here

yeah lol

https://tenor.com/view/not-my-job-drake-josh-gif-7484675

[vestal wren]

but for me, it feels like the subtlety challange is at least for the spec to tight

to be clear, i like it with current tuning as it means beating it feels great

its more rewarding because only a small subset managed to do it

[glass tulip]

def

big boss kills or this challenge I only ever get like this "oh its finally over" feeling

more than actual excitement or a good feeling lol

[craggy ruin]

hey guys, it's faulty countermeasure gonna be nerfed or ?

[wooden dawn]

noone knows yet

[vestal wren]

nothing official so far, so we can only guess

[gusty mirage]

I've hit my threshold of vault of the wardens for the week

I'll try again next week

[vestal wren]

whats the count?

[marble hemlock]

probably like

3

[glass tulip]

whetstone is very nice, felt good on the 2 heroic fatescribe pulls I took before the group disbanded

[gusty mirage]

just 3 huh

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[glass tulip]

not many but enough to feel like dumping my toaster in my bathtub

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/IvBNm/6828c0f622.jpg

[glass tulip]

imagine playing in legion

[gusty mirage]

damn dude you did 209 of them this week?

[marble hemlock]

ofc

[gusty mirage]

[glass tulip]

seli is gonna podcast for us

[spice spire]

Seli gaming let’s go

Wait seli podcast

Get to hear that beautiful man speak of the best class in the game

[gusty mirage]

I'm actually surprised that I didn't leak that to you by accident yet

[glass tulip]

seli, whispyr, guy, and red rogue

[marble hemlock]

whispyr already said he is looking forward to necro and nightfae assa questions

[glass tulip]

I like that this is going to be you guys answering the same questions you do 10x per day and basically just reading off all of the channel pins

but calling quake stupid in the middle of the sentences

[marble hemlock]

but instead of reading weird text

you get to listen to our transcendent voices

[gusty mirage]

but I'm not part of the podcast

[vestal wren]

seli podcast when?

[marble hemlock]

never

i already was on a podcast once

[spice spire]

I’ll be 99% of the Necrolord questions dw

[marble hemlock]

and had nova run into the cam

and show everybody her butt

so yeah

[glass tulip]

[spice spire]

That’s a blessed podcast

[marble hemlock]

dont need to repeat that situation

[spice spire]

Wdym

[gusty mirage]

link?

[marble hemlock]

well

the people in the cast

it was