assassination

[marble hemlock]

Are you keeping teh main boss in blind for most of the fight?

[strange python]

Nah I take him out ASAP

[marble hemlock]

kk

[charred wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/gachimuchi-gif-20116037

[strange python]

To maintain dps uptime

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-epic-embed-fail-saber-eating-burger-gif-23166537

[strange python]

At first I didn’t until I reached enraged timers so I was like aight I gotta dot that up as much as possible

But still not doing enough dps it seems

I’ve tried for three days for at least 5 hours now

Each day

[normal mist]

Try outlaw

XD

That's my goal rn

[strange python]

Ahahah I did give that a go as well but I’m a bit noob at it

[normal mist]

It's way easier imo

[strange python]

I’ll look up a video for the outlaw one

[normal mist]

And I legit just want the mog

The easier the bet te r

[strange python]

Same same

My mage one I got in like 5 goes

This one seems a bit harder

[normal mist]

ALSO, if you try outlaw and struggle with healing, use this trinket: (gimme a moment)

https://www.wowhead.com/item=152634/endless-tincture-of-renewed-combat

[balmy condor]

That got nerfed

[normal mist]

Doesn't matter

[strange python]

I think my main thing with outlaw was one getting the adds down quick enough, the ones that heal the boss

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

Was stuck on 90% forever

[balmy condor]

Aight well if it doesn’t matter I guess

[normal mist]

Whispyr legit healing 300 +/- per add when you have around 7k

It's always 600+ per add phase

[strange python]

Ahaha thanks for help anyway ima spend some more time on assass one and if I hit a brick wall again ima go for the outlaw one

[normal mist]

Even after the nerf I had no problems healing up

I now die to the boulders

At 10%

Any trinket to be immune to boulders?

[glass tulip]

just dodge 4head

[normal mist]

Why didn't I think about that before

But imma do it once I get home today

Hypeeeee

[glass tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpgQhhQh5Nw
enrage timer?

mage doing the God-Queens fury in 2 minutes

[balmy condor]

Just do more damage

[glass tulip]

he was up to 4k like cmon bruh

I was hitting 1.8 with drums on pull

[golden basalt]

whoever decided there should be diminishing returns on blind in MT can go fuck themselves

[glass tulip]

yeah it DRs just like pvp

so does cyclone in the druid ones

[golden basalt]

get to enrage, she casts blood so I blind, but it runs out before i have blind again and just gets oneshot

should prob take whisps tip of doing more dmg

[glass tulip]

yeah that was unironically good advice for my runs

[balmy condor]

Yeah super weird how you can’t just turn a 3 target fight into a 2 target fight by spamming blind for 7 minutes

Wonder why that’s not a thing

[glass tulip]

By adding the pvp rules its more like "yeah dont keep this guy in blind or you wont hit the dps check"

[golden basalt]

I mean, im interrupting her throughout the fight its jsut doing enrage i somehow fall short in dps and get fucked over in enrage

[balmy condor]

Pvp rules?

[golden basalt]

got two pulls over 7 min

[glass tulip]

the cc DRs

is what I meant

[balmy condor]

Cc DR’s in pve as well

[glass tulip]

true

[marble hemlock]

depends on the cc

[glass tulip]

but

im dumb so

[marble hemlock]

sap/poly etc. dont DR

cyclone/blind do

[lofty pivot]

Anyone good with weakauras?

[balmy condor]

Yeh true

[marble hemlock]

dunno if theres a classification of "cc vs disrupts"

[glass tulip]

I think its more like true cc

[marble hemlock]

since basically all spells that would widely be considered "disrupts" are DRing

[normal mist]

I'm mad at that video

[glass tulip]

like how blind puts you in combast

[marble hemlock]

blind doesnt put you in combat

[glass tulip]

If you blind a target in a dungeon it will chase after you, no?

[marble hemlock]

no

[glass tulip]

I've had that happen more than once

[marble hemlock]

only if you proxy-aggro it

[glass tulip]

like blinding and running through?

[marble hemlock]

there are CCs that completely disable proximity-based aggro

sap and cage

and hunter trap

all other CCs, like poly, paralysis, blind, make the mob still aggro based on proximity (and any linked mobs will start attacking you immediately)

[glass tulip]

right, that's what I meant I guess

[marble hemlock]

its just that the blind cast range is almost the same as the proximity aggro one

so its quite hard to get one off without immediately getting aggro

[marble hemlock]

this only works on certain mobs, they typically need to be the same "type"

theres plenty of cases where you can pull a mob and it wont pull other around it, i.e. tormentors are a good example

but yeah, same-level mob aggro radius is ~15-20yards. think its 5 extra yards for mobs with stealth-detect when youre stealthed. thats why oyu can pass by a mob with stealth detect while not stealthed, but he will aggro you when stealthed

aggro radius is also a bit of a misnomer, cuz mobs have a larger aggro-range in front of them than behind them. thats the main reason why you experienced what you did, with blind cuz it makes the mob wander around erratically, meaning its highly likely he will face you for half a second to aggro you

youre now free to hit me with a "yeah but who asked"

[gusty mirage]

I asked

[balmy condor]

I’m too tired to ask

[glass tulip]

good to know but also

who asked

when do you sleep whispyr

[gusty mirage]

He doesn’t

[balmy condor]

I don’t

[glass tulip]

working the graveyards

[balmy condor]

That’s my secret

[marble hemlock]

finding love wherever he can

[gusty mirage]

I went to sleep, he was awake, I wake up for work and he’s awake

[marble hemlock]

maybe you just sleep too much oxi

[glass tulip]

sleeping, working, honestly when do you have time for mage tower

we want to watch

[gusty mirage]

True I have been selfish lately after those 2 days straight of no sleeping

[balmy condor]

Oxi already killed mage tower

Cause he’s a gamer

[glass tulip]

oh I thought he was waiting for the weekend

[gusty mirage]

It was either mage tower or suffer through another vault

I picked mage tower

[glass tulip]

join the club woot woot

[gusty mirage]

I’m not doing it for the mount though, fuck that

Although I do want to try the sub one

[vestal wren]

sub one is fun

[glass tulip]

multiclassing for a mount

[vestal wren]

rogue and druid and you are almost done ^^

[normal mist]

Meanwhile there is a dude in my server showing off the book mount with the scarab lord title aswell xD

Afk near the npc

[glass tulip]

what food do you guys use outside of feasts

[limber lion]

Yeh I enjoyed the mage tower quite a bit

[glass tulip]

I've been doing haste cuz I had it stocked up but I feel like crit is probably the play

[limber lion]

I wouldn't mind having new challenges with new rewards in the future

[balmy condor]

Idk I like burritos a lot but I had pizza earlier today was good

[glass tulip]

:/

[normal mist]

Lool

[gusty mirage]

Ye I think something like this moving forward with new cosmetic stuff would be bad ass

New color schemes for the legion mogs which are some of the best in the game

[glass tulip]

so uh, steak a la mode or tenebrous crown roast

[marble hemlock]

idk, i felt sub one was the most boring one

use shadowstep a bunch of times, and then just a pure ST dps check with some 3t cleave which just feels awful to do

[vestal wren]

i think sub challange would be a lot easier if 3 target wasn't that bad

[gusty mirage]

For the tower?

[glass tulip]

raid / dungeons

I already beat towers

[gusty mirage]

Oh I just use crit food outside of feast

[limber lion]

I mean the set is decent but I just hate the legs/belt/feet so much

everything else is cool and the black smoke looks sick

[gusty mirage]

Ye the belt is uggo

[limber lion]

why do the feet and the belt have to be so shit

and the pants so

[gusty mirage]

Boots are okayish

[limber lion]

boring

nah

gloves are good with smoke comin' out

so why are the boots just there

needs something extra for the extra boys out there

[gusty mirage]

Tbh the original ran into the same shit

[marble hemlock]

i mean, youre not really allowed to judge the looks of something since you decided to play male belf

[gusty mirage]

Damn

Seli went there

[limber lion]

Also, why does the helm and shoulders have the white outline, but nothing else does?

That would look so fucking sick

if everything had it

[strange python]

female character players 🤨

[limber lion]

kinda looks out of place now

[strange python]

unless ur female irl

[marble hemlock]

idk, if it all had that outline

[limber lion]

i'm cringe ok

[marble hemlock]

people would think youre an npc thats worth clicking

[vestal wren]

the effect is nice, the set is meh

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

typical female character player

[gusty mirage]

Maybe the emoji was unclear

https://tenor.com/view/who-tf-asked-nasas-radar-dish-who-asked-nobody-asked-gif-17675657

[strange python]

I meant what I said

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

@marble hemlock will you do the "a leap through time" event?

[marble hemlock]

dunno

depends on whether we have a consistent grp of people

since its pretty close to christmas

r.io has a challenge both weeks now, will probably see if we can snag some spots there

but its kinda dumb, CoS is infinitely easier than any other dungeon, but you cant play up to it. so you need someone who got a high cos key from vault

i.e. highest key atm is a 25cos. 2nd highest key is a 23

we tried 23NL yday and got destroyed

and it didnt track half our keys yday either

[cobalt hemlock]

does the Band of Callous Dominance sim better for anyone else than the court of stars ring?

[solid venture]

yeah

guess its not worth chasing autoattack ring

[spice spire]

The auto attack buff portion of the ring has not been added to raidbots yet

[solid venture]

[vestal wren]

only if you use nightly, so don't forget to check that

[solid venture]

ah ok

[spice spire]

Ye

[glass tulip]

Not even close

[spice spire]

Yeah +91 for me without a socket vs top ring (246) with a socket

[soft shale]

pog

[glass tulip]

wants me to replace H Sylv ring

[slow marsh]

Sounds about right

[spice spire]

I was wondering why I was simming so low - obedience last equipped as Necrolord

[gusty mirage]

Again?

[spice spire]

Yes man

This time

In key form

[gusty mirage]

Bruh use gear sets already

[spice spire]

I’d rather be an ape

[gusty mirage]

You can do both

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

🐒

[soft shale]

my man still not enjoying the sweet scripts

[spice spire]

I was in a guild mini group and they kept swapping between sanguine and plaguefall

[soft shale]

man fuck plaguefall after all the triple dipping double necro is so valuable there

good shit necro holy pala will be a thing unless they omeganerf the tier set

and then maybe bully the tank

[slow marsh]

Yeah it's kinda nutty

[cobalt hemlock]

i mean they already changed some sets people said are bad so i would say its not if they nerf but when they nerf

[soft shale]

i mean my man i dont think 97% wings uptime is a good thing

paladins become dps with necro leggo+mad paragon

[slow marsh]

Idk I'd rather see more buffs before nerfs

[soft shale]

i would like them to buff deathspike and sepsis

having a dead st leggo is kind of cringe

[slow marsh]

Sepsis needs rework

Deathspike buff might be fine

[soft shale]

not really just make the conduit increase the dot dmg instead of lower it

blizz had really baked ideas

[slow marsh]

I mean the damage is fine thats not the problem

It has bad soulbinds and the proc on sepsis does nothing

And the issue with deathspike is still that it flurries.

[spice spire]

Nightfae apologists

[slow marsh]

I just want options man

Options are good

[spice spire]

I will build your lore Mr. Iceblades dw

I’ve already given into my fate as a venthyr OTP

[slow marsh]

I mean same since day one after they reworked flag

[small basin]

what did flag do before

[slow marsh]

It was a double cast thing that was supposed to do damage but it was poop

Like an ashvane trinket ripoff but it was your cov ability

[small basin]

ah

[slow marsh]

Those were the dark ages for assassination. And it was what I was born into

Grey parsing as sub

Full macroing everything to one button

How far we have come

[small basin]

i was an orange parser on mage/ shaman

consistent blue on rogue

guess im just not that good at rogue in pve

[slow marsh]

Yeah idk I find the class/spec averages to be pretty interesting

[small basin]

ranged is so much easier to play tho

imo

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[small basin]

melee is hectic

[slow marsh]

It is but idk if I could do it

[small basin]

esp in dungeons where you got frontals etc

[golden basalt]

same honestly, and I was dumb enough to say that I don’t mind switching to boomie for prog next tier

[small basin]

as ranged your just chilling at the back

occasionally move from a swirly

[slow marsh]

I'd be too bored on ranged. It makes sense that they're the ones blabbing about random stuff during pulls

[gusty mirage]

It wasn’t supposed to do damage

[golden basalt]

except for fire mages who are to busy just slamming their keyboard to remember to breath

[small basin]

esp on explosives week, trying to do orbs, keep up your dots

dodge shit

[gusty mirage]

Well not significant damage anyway

[small basin]

makes me wanna lay down after a few hours

[gusty mirage]

It was essentially ashvane’s coral but for haste

And significantly shittier

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[small basin]

so it didnt do damage when you spent cp like now

[sonic schooner]

Just dontt do orbs

[small basin]

i try not to man

but no one else does

and i wanna do my key

[gusty mirage]

I don’t even remember if it did damage or not

[small basin]

even that bm hunter who is alt tabbed pressing 2 buttons

wont do orbs

[sonic schooner]

Don't go for your key as well

[gusty mirage]

This is a fried take

[sonic schooner]

Every problem has an easy fix

🙏

[small basin]

i swear everyone just dumps orbs on the rogue

[sonic schooner]

As sub / outlaw im ok doing few explo when my ranges are using CDs, but as assa they can go on and take a cold shower my gcd are valuable

[slow marsh]

It did half the damage it does now or something

[small basin]

i tried sub

[sonic schooner]

[small basin]

so boring nearly fell asleep

[gusty mirage]

Idk if it’s even as high as half the damage

[glass tulip]

if your hunters/dh's arent doing orbs and your RL tells you to carry them

[gusty mirage]

Maybe my old CN logs have it

[glass tulip]

you leave the raid team right there

[sonic schooner]

When I say doing few explo

[sonic schooner]

I mean like 10 max

[small basin]

yeah im doing like 15s for weekly fuck it

if they go boom boom oh well

[gusty mirage]

@slow marsh

[slow marsh]

If they do then they were trolling

Yeah

As suspected

[sonic schooner]

Don't remind us about old flag 😩

[gusty mirage]

I was venthyr

How dare you

“Trolling”

[slow marsh]

You can't say

In honesty

[gusty mirage]

I was just ahead of my time

[floral shoal]

Why do SL dungeons this week anyway? Legion counts for vault

[small basin]

cos i dont know legion dungeon mechanics

[gusty mirage]

Cuz IO

[small basin]

and cba to learn them for one week

[slow marsh]

That anyone playing sin in 9.0 let alone venth sin wasnt trolling

[gusty mirage]

Well it’s 2 weeks but ye

[gusty mirage]

I played sub and outlaw

[sonic schooner]

Oxy u were just an edgy vampire wannabe 🙄

[gusty mirage]

I just thought sepsis was garbage (I was right$

[slow marsh]

Tru

[gusty mirage]

I didn’t care too much for necro

[sonic schooner]

I mean

In 9.0

[gusty mirage]

And hated kyrian aesthetic

[sonic schooner]

Every single covenant

Was trash

[slow marsh]

Remember when kyrian was bis for like everyone because pelagos was actually a god

[gusty mirage]

So I went vamp bois

Then I started pvping

And uh yeah

Switched kyrian real quick

[sonic schooner]

There is a reason why most of rogues got 3 or either the 4 covenant renown 40 by the time 9.1 became a thing

[slow marsh]

We started kyr then went nf then venth then Necro then back venth

[gusty mirage]

Any old school flag gamers in chat???

[spice spire]

Venthyr - NF — Venthyr - NL - Venthyy - NL swap ad nauseam

[gusty mirage]

Team never night fae

[slow marsh]

Lucky

[sonic schooner]

Clean numbers

[slow marsh]

You'll never be tempted by soulshape

[sonic schooner]

Flag popping

[gusty mirage]

I had to do the intro quests on ptr when I was testing stuff for Cev

[gusty mirage]

Huge dam

Almost less than eternal skirmish procs

[frosty bridge]

Lightless force

[sonic schooner]

I see big burst probably as strong as 18 spells convoke

[frosty bridge]

[sonic schooner]

Let's be honest

[gusty mirage]

Dark times my friend

[slow marsh]

Indeed

[gusty mirage]

I think that was huntsman

Tbh

[slow marsh]

We have attoned for our sins

[gusty mirage]

So it wasn’t completely throwing

Just kind of throwing

[slow marsh]

Watch this

[gusty mirage]

My best parse all expac is still an outlaw parse and idk how to live with myself

[nocturne geode]

[slow marsh]

Literal 1

[nocturne geode]

im literally cliffing my whole guild on sylv damage in our prog

praise me

jk

[slow marsh]

My first raid fight coming back to wow

Poggers

[quasi venture]

that's a pog

[nocturne geode]

bro i feel that im gearing up my firemage for my alt going into 9.2 and idr how to play SKB

[slow marsh]

It's k just play on ptr you just spam insta cast thingy and do 20k ez

[nocturne geode]

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-im-out-im-out-too-much-cringe-too-much-cringe-gif-20160804

[slow marsh]

I mean it's way easier to parse as outlaw so it's ok

[timid cloud]

One day, we shall leave Court of Stars.

Today, is not that day.

[cobalt hemlock]

you done with the trinket if you are doing the court?

[slow marsh]

Me but votw

[timid cloud]

I only have the ring.

I didn’t even loot it, it got traded to me.

[slow marsh]

Why are you prio whetstone over countermeasure then?

[timid cloud]

I’ve not gotten any VOTW, & all the ones I did do, haven’t dropped one.

[slow marsh]

Yeah I'm on 16 haven't even seen it

I have the crappy betrayal trinket on the 1min 15 cd cuz someone thought that was funny but no countermeasure sightings

[timid cloud]

How cruel.

[glass tulip]

we are killing votw bosses in sub 30 seconds imagine how fast theyll go down on fort week

[soft shale]

tirathons is good on sub

but for sin countermeasure is way better

and seeing it drop might be troll ahaha

what im the saddest is no arcway

[cobalt hemlock]

i how hope faster than the they came proc their stupid unkillable phases

[soft shale]

I WANTED NEXUS SO BAD

i loved that trinket

[slow marsh]

Wait tirath trink actually does more damage than my 252 phial

[cobalt hemlock]

you mean the countermeasure one?

[slow marsh]

No

The stupid shadow one

And the sim isn't even using it optimally wtf is this

[soft shale]

it is really good

syncs with obed too more or less

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[cobalt hemlock]

so we doing faulty and tirath?

were you playing assa or sub

[slow marsh]

It's actually holding flag to sync to trinket outside of opener

This is just sim

I'm just surprised it's doing as much as phial idk

Not enough to justify double on use but still

[timid cloud]

Too cringe tbh.

Not going back to Font / Coral days.

[gusty mirage]

Dark times my friend

[timid cloud]

Never again.

[slow marsh]

Was font better than ink?

Ink coral seemed broken af

That's what I had but I played DH and I was bad

[spice spire]

DH players

[slow marsh]

Ik

Brainless idiots

Whenever I think about gearing my havoc I just go into felhammer and pull the homer Simpson backing into the bushes

[bleak sky]

Just gear it

It do be pretty damn good

[slow marsh]

Yeah it is but I like rogue too much and it's not better by enough

[bleak sky]

I mean they do different things right

[slow marsh]

Not really

Havoc is outlaw with darkness

[bleak sky]

Ehhh

[slow marsh]

I guess uncapped now too

Havoc is mobile cleave, darkness, hard to kill

Good ST

[spice spire]

Havoc is the hero class rn

[slow marsh]

Outlaw is the same thing in functionality minus darkness, which is big yes

[spice spire]

Havoc is also fine - I legit go to felhammer, ignore chat and read the pins

[bleak sky]

There are some good messages in there but you really gotta filter a lot of shit

[slow marsh]

Who is tc'ing them

Cuz last I checked its feelcraft cesspool

[bleak sky]

They don't have whispyr/guy/fuu

But my guess is kib is doing the thinking? Idk

[slow marsh]

Ye ik we are blessed

Oh the guy that rerolled mage

So it's the same as last I checked lol cool

Looks like it's someone else now actually

[thorny pond]

It’s what happens when the best players are Avade > memers >>> fotm rerolls

[spice spire]

WFT is huge gains trust

[thorny pond]

Yea when your resource comes from auto auto attack as your generator

Doesn’t take a monkee to sort that out but they are still trying to type Shakespeare over there daily

“Oh sub gets more CPs from more attack swings. WFT can’t be good for that”

[opaque lake]

can someone explain what the trick is in MT for assa? I reach the enrage timer with 15% left on the lowest one

[thorny pond]

You need to maintain high uptime on bleeds on all three targets

[small basin]

dps check is pretty high

like 1.1k dps

[thorny pond]

CT also is a key to keeping your dps high. If you have one of them CCd like blind, you should take that time to keep the other 2 bled and really turret into one

[strange python]

Is mage tower time gated as well?

[thorny pond]

For time walking only

[lethal heart]

its not time gated

[strange python]

Oh ok

[lethal heart]

its gonna appear every 3-4 months or so

whenever legion timewalking is there

[opaque lake]

I feel like my bleed uptime is pretty good but I only reach 900dps max

[thorny pond]

What talents are you running and what trinkets are you using? Also flask food pots drums etc

[opaque lake]

talents are 1211123, trinkets: Fusion amplifier+ Phial (I dont have others)

[thorny pond]

If you have the cyclonic one from BFA that is still overbudget

[small basin]

i used those same trinkets

and talents

[thorny pond]

So did I

but he's coming up short

so let's optimize him

not tear him down

[small basin]

kept up bleeds mainly on the caster + berserker guy

not so much on the other one that you blind

[thorny pond]

Item restore any IQD you may have deleted, stat sticks etc

Sack is still overbudget

[small basin]

remember to use vanish

for emp garrottes

[glass tulip]

how do youdo that?

item restore, that is

[thorny pond]

google "wow item restore"

it's like the first link

you'll sign in and they pick your realm/toon then select items you've deleted, vendored or disenchanted

[timid cloud]

It should be in the support section of battle net.

[slow marsh]

It helps if you dance around your chair 3 times then blast bleeding love by leona lewis while you do it

[glass tulip]

damn, I mustve deleted my wrists before I transferred

I got rid of my 252 tarragrue wrists to replace them but I shouldve kept them in bags just in case

[slow marsh]

I lost a lot of stuff cuz I didn't know you can't item restore after xfer

[timid cloud]

[strange python]

Is blizz going to rework all tiers less rogues?

[thorny pond]

It's early mang

[bleak sky]

We don't know yet

[strange python]

Oh okay

[bleak sky]

guys maybe NF Sin is the play huh

[digital shale]

Why is countermeasure so strong on assa? Its like 1.1% of on upgrade compared to guardians trinket 😳

[bleak sky]

[thorny pond]

crit and good on use

[bleak sky]

fuckton of crit, good use

[glass tulip]

so how do you use windscar whetstone in dungeons

[bleak sky]

is it actually good

[gusty mirage]

yes

it's actually good

[bleak sky]

fuck me

[glass tulip]

this DH got it and im tryna finesse

[gusty mirage]

does a fuck ton of damage

[bleak sky]

CoS is pretty but ehhhhhhh

[gusty mirage]

bruh cos is better than vault

[cobalt hemlock]

whats your best strategy for farming the dugs? i kinda getting tired trying to convince people to lower their key so we can do it normally

[bleak sky]

but vault is like 15 min super quick

[gusty mirage]

yeah

until the last boss

when everyone dies

[glass tulip]

we just did a 2 cos in 10:44

[gusty mirage]

like 50 times and you're standing there confused

as to why you hate yourself enough to do it this much

[bleak sky]

[timid cloud]

Love the tanks getting knocked off.

[gusty mirage]

every fucking time man

lmao

[bleak sky]

do you need to talk, oxi?

[timid cloud]

I’ve done probs 40 keys already of them.

2-16

[gusty mirage]

no cuz I'm getting it this time for sure

[timid cloud]

I want to pass away...

[bleak sky]

next run 100%

[gusty mirage]

then its off to cos

[bleak sky]

1st cos = ring+trinket

ez

[glass tulip]

what

someone ban this guy

[misty cave]

in mage tower is normal that when i kill jarl, sigryn go in rage mode?

[bleak sky]

oh no I didnt get it

but Oxi is gonna get both on his first run, I can feel it

[glass tulip]

Sigyrn will enrage at 6:30

[wary ice]

ban him anyways

[misty cave]

well ty then push more dps is the only way...

[plush shale]

when do you guys use vendetta ?

on pull but after that :P?

[edgy orbit]

do you guys drum at the start? I seem to cap out around 931dps and die with jarl around 7%

[plush shale]

I atleast pot and drum at start

[glass tulip]

I just blew everything pretty much on cd

[edgy orbit]

did you guys using numbing or criplling poison?

[glass tulip]

crippling

Windscar just dropped it twice in a row and I got the second one

[thorny pond]

Is windscar even worth or did I miss something?

[glass tulip]

Very nice in dungeons

[thorny pond]

oh aoe

[glass tulip]

#assassination message

Slicing maelstrom is the damage from trinket

[thorny pond]

yea I was think just regular ST

[subtle tundra]

+18 cos and +20 cos

the trinket is downright broken

[marble hemlock]

looks like youre just holding for bigpulls though :x

[vestal wren]

thats part of the fun i guess

[subtle tundra]

well i was doing with a big cock group mega pulling

[thorny pond]

Go big or go home?

[subtle tundra]

pulling first and 2nd boss with invasion

in +20

[marble hemlock]

usually ends up being 7-8% for me, closer to 9-10 in eoa

which is still good, ofc

[timid cloud]

Can I only sim the teas in advanced sim? or can I throw that into top gear as well at the bottom line like I would for adv sim?

[subtle tundra]

i was just pushing it on cd 80% of the time

[vestal wren]

if you want to compare them yes, else just put the specific tea in using expert mode

[subtle tundra]

obviously holding if i know i can use it soon on trash pack instead of boss or stuff like that

not gonna use a 20k dmg trinket on ST when i can hold and make it do 5x dmg

[timid cloud]

Yeah, trying to compare Theo to Nadjia cause my sims are still saying Nadjia is the move for me.

[gusty mirage]

You can do it in a quicksim under the advanced options dropdown thingy by just throwing one of these in there

shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility
shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit
shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste```

[marble hemlock]

i mean, if it saves more time to use on st though

[gusty mirage]

this box @timid cloud

[subtle tundra]

a 20k dmg trinket aint gonna save time on st....

thats 1 second

of a boss

[glass tulip]

1 second time save lets go

[gusty mirage]

damn dude you blast 20k in 1 gcd?

like at all times?

thats nuts

[subtle tundra]

across the group we have more than 20k dps

[gusty mirage]

so you individually doing 20k more damage is only 1s saved because the group as a whole does 20k dps?

[timid cloud]

[subtle tundra]

?

[glass tulip]

[gusty mirage]

I'm glad you're as confused as I am

[subtle tundra]

yes? i do 20k dmg, thats 20k dmg less my group has to do

[gusty mirage]

but they're not doing less damage when you press the trinket

[subtle tundra]

and how much time does it take to do 20k dmg

[gusty mirage]

lol

[glass tulip]

thats the opposite of what you just said tho

[gusty mirage]

so it's more than 1s saved

crazy

[glass tulip]

if it does 20k where another trinket wont then it can be a time save on st

no?

[subtle tundra]

yes, it is a time save obviously. damage is damage. but its not worth using like that
im playing a good aoe trinket, if i wanted to save time on bosses i'd be using a ST trinket

[gusty mirage]

fair enough

[marble hemlock]

all im saying is that the numbers you posted arent really useful (or accurate) for common-use of the trinket

[small basin]

pad trinket

[subtle tundra]

yea, for tyra its padding

[marble hemlock]

pmuch, yeah

its strong, it makes your overall go up, doesnt necessarily mean its the better choice

[subtle tundra]

in dungeons like hoa, dos, mists maybe spires

[glass tulip]

on soulrender is it pad or is it doing the mechanic 🤔

[subtle tundra]

its really good

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

pad aswell

cause less funnel into boss

theoretically speaking

[timid cloud]

Gotta do something on that fight.

[gusty mirage]

bruh if those adds are living long enough for you to get significant damage on them I got some news for you

[marble hemlock]

dunno, still think pvp trinket is better in almost all situatiosn (if you have it)

[subtle tundra]

if it were a really hard boss you wouldnt kill the adds and funnel it

[marble hemlock]

or any other trinket that cuts down kill time on tormentors/prio/bosses

[timid cloud]

Peoples adds live for longer than 10 seconds? Didn’t know.

[small basin]

what one?

alacrity?

[marble hemlock]

if you wanna have higher aoe/overall, rogue is the wrong class

crit with agi on use

[gusty mirage]

yeah only time that happened to me was when I did a pull without a DK and I got to bleed up the 2 remaining

[small basin]

hm i have the elite one

[subtle tundra]

well yea but im just saying the trinket is broken, imagine it on monk

[small basin]

and it sims worse than my grim codex

252

[marble hemlock]

its less broken on classes that already have very high aoe to begin with

[subtle tundra]

just cause it doesnt fit with the rogue playstyle it doesnt devalue it at all

[marble hemlock]

that argument doesnt really make sense

[subtle tundra]

monk has a lot of vers

they play crit vers

[timid cloud]

I am not a Ret Paladin, I will not be using the PvP trinket...

[marble hemlock]

was closer to 5-6% of their overall for our monk

[timid cloud]

[marble hemlock]

monks want to play on use to buff their tiger burst

[subtle tundra]

which is how much dmg?

cause if its 5-6% but they do 16k overall

[small basin]

i dont think the pvp trinkets at 249 sim correctly tho

[subtle tundra]

thats a lot

[gusty mirage]

why wouldn't it

[glass tulip]

im hardstuck 1600 so pvp trinkets are bad

[small basin]

well they aren't in droptimizer, and last time i tried they simmed a lot lower than some 239 items

like hands and boots

[marble hemlock]

just cause it makes up a big part of their damage, doesnt necessarily make it the best choice for them. if they can play trinkets that allow them to boost their aoe burst windows much better with stat trinkets, they will not show on details at all, but might still provide more damage

[timid cloud]

They should be in the droptimizer.

[gusty mirage]

well they're not in droptimizer cause they're not drops

[timid cloud]

On god, swore it was there.

[small basin]

yuo can use droptimizer for pvp stuff

up to 246

anyway heres my sim

[marble hemlock]

trinket is good. maybe a little too good. mostly cuz it used to be capped to 5targets but right now it isnt.

[gusty mirage]

oh they are

[small basin]

with the pvp trinket https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/peeSUUQr9Yb42sdfxW32rD

[gusty mirage]

kek

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

You made me look, you silly goose.

[marble hemlock]

but a monk who can pop a stat on use trinket with every bdb/sef

will probably do the same ore more dam than someone who can use whetstone with every sven

[gusty mirage]

sorry I've had quite a morning

forgive me?

[subtle tundra]

ok this trinket

but ON TANK

cracked

[timid cloud]

All is forgiven, brother. Go in peace.

[marble hemlock]

playing whetstone as tank means youre not playing aegis/matrix tho :p

[subtle tundra]

but if you can surviveeee?

ok now i want it on my monk

[marble hemlock]

you might replace aegis with it

matrix is too good

both offensively and defensively

and more defense usually means more dps as well

[subtle tundra]

my monk has 213 pvp trinket and 252 ooze

[marble hemlock]

as being able to facetank longer/not having to kite as much means more dps

both from yourself and other dps

[small basin]

213 pvp trinket haha

[subtle tundra]

yes, i bought 1800 last season 😎

[soft shale]

secret technique will replace matrix most likely

[small basin]

was gonna say

thats last seasons gear

[soft shale]

or aegis

[marble hemlock]

not talking new trinkets hacha

just comparing whetstone

[soft shale]

oh hmm only dmg is quite bad for a tank

they already get wrung on 27s

[subtle tundra]

does anyone know on 3rd boss brh what i need to use to solo the charge? cloak or evasion

[soft shale]

evasion

[limber lion]

evade that shit

[subtle tundra]

so exactly like sd

[glass tulip]

can you macro a trinket slot?

[limber lion]

copy paste

[limber lion]

sure can

/use 13 and /use 14

[marble hemlock]

doesnt work anymore

evasion, that is

you still get the debuff

[subtle tundra]

[glass tulip]

gotcha, I was trying trinket1

[marble hemlock]

idk why they fixed that, but they did

[limber lion]

wtf blozordf

[marble hemlock]

you still live one charge though with feint

[subtle tundra]

but i can still survive it?

[marble hemlock]

mhye

anyone lives 1 charge with defensive

just gotta spotheal before stomp

tank can usually take 2 stacks

dunno how its on like 22/23 or higher

[hexed frost]

Hmmmm... So 246 spiked tormentor is doing more overall damage than my 239 SFA in M+. I can't figure out why because sims say it's impossible

[glass tulip]

sims are for ST, no?

dungeonslice is what you would want to compare it in

[hexed frost]

Only logical conclusion I can think is that I maybe holding trinket if there's a boss or tormentor next pull

[hexed frost]

Yeah I meant dslice

I have run CoS 16 times already, no trinket and only a neck and head. I don't have the energy to spam more dungeons at this point tbh

[gusty mirage]

next one for sure

[glass tulip]

takes longer to get in than to run it

thats what sucks

[hexed frost]

That's what kept me going while farming edge

Pepehands

[gusty mirage]

that's what got me through 15 vaults this week

still no trinket btw

[clever kindle]

a man can only take so much

[soft shale]

i dont have the will tof arm now

maybe on next tw

[hexed frost]

I'm not even running vaults here till I get ring and trinket from court

[spice spire]

Animal

[gusty mirage]

it gets even worse when you see people wipe on last boss in a 2

trust me

[spice spire]

Why trinket from court

[glass tulip]

lol

[subtle tundra]

i dont think trinkets are optimized specifically to be used optimally

[glass tulip]

over half of all people ive played with cant do creeping doom without dying

[limber lion]

whatchu mean, whetstone is busted

[hexed frost]

Whetstone is good. Saw a guildie do 300K in a single pull in halls.

[spice spire]

[hexed frost]

Useless in ToP and PF though

[gusty mirage]

y'all keep your aoe voodoo

[spice spire]

The classic rogue non prio trinket

[gusty mirage]

I just want my faulty countermeasure

[limber lion]

yeah

because you cannot use the trinket

anywhere else

but m+

yes

of course

yes

can't use it in the raid

nonono

that's forbidden

only m+

[gusty mirage]

this new keyboard is ridiculously fast @limber lion

[limber lion]

and only big aoe packs

[spice spire]

Nah Cev is just padding rn

[gusty mirage]

man's an actual animal

[spice spire]

150 wpm btw

[subtle tundra]

its "ok" on soulrender, painsmith, fatescribe and kt

[gusty mirage]

170*

[limber lion]

lmao you use op trinkets to get a better parse?

[glass tulip]

imagine not going into jar on KT

[limber lion]

get a life nerd

[gusty mirage]

put some respeck on that man's name

[hexed frost]

Whetstone is regularly doing 7-8% of my friend's overall on a 20-21 dungeon this week. That translates to around 1-1.1 million damage, as compared to phials 750-800K damage.

[limber lion]

should be grinding externals instead

[gusty mirage]

true

why farm cos for the trinket when I can just give a druid 50k for kindred

[limber lion]

why not both

[hexed frost]

Both yes

[gusty mirage]

because after all the tw dungeons this week

[spice spire]

Mans gone to the dark side

[gusty mirage]

I'm about to shoot myself

that's why not both

[limber lion]

good thing you don't have to do any dungeons ever again after you get it

[gusty mirage]

I'm about to get giga timewalking badges

[spice spire]

Whetstone actually may be a solid pick up for soulrender

[gusty mirage]

until next season

[glass tulip]

whispyr tried it, looked p good

[spice spire]

I don’t think I’d use it in keys outside of carries where you need the aoe tho.

[limber lion]

what

other

alternatives do you have?

phial?

iqd?

[gusty mirage]

don't talk shit about my soulrender trinket

[limber lion]

why wouldn't you use it

[gusty mirage]

love that thing

[limber lion]

it helps in aoe, which translates to a faster clear

[spice spire]

Faulty - phial - amp

[limber lion]

which translates to a faster overall time

amp??????????????????

no way

phial??????????????

man's trolling

let's use phial that does 2% of my overall

And not prio damage btw

instead of a trinket that does 10%

idk why ya'll going fucking bonkers about some prio damage shit

you never get trinkets for prio damage

that's just bull

you use the trinket that gives you the most damage

which in this case is Whetstone

everytime

[subtle tundra]

waw dude you saved 2 sec on boss

[limber lion]

2 sec?

don't exaggerate

[glass tulip]

wouldnt you always keep phial and replace the other trink with whetstone 🤔

[limber lion]

Yes

One active, one passive

Using Countermeasure is a good alternative and a good pick

[glass tulip]

beeg mastery

[marble hemlock]

idk, fusion amplifier saves a lot of time on bosses and tormentors

[limber lion]

But amp and whatever, not so much

[gusty mirage]

this is actually hilarious

people pulling random time save numbers out of their ass to prove their point

the mental gymnastics is strong

[limber lion]

I don't think that's the issue here

you're barking at the wrong tree

Just because you don't like Varas

No need to be rude

[subtle tundra]

i like varas

[gusty mirage]

it very much is an issue when people are saying "lol only saves 2s why would you even use it"

[limber lion]

Quake made a stupid comment

And you unleash on Varas

[gusty mirage]

as if there's only bosses and tormentors that it's used against

I haven't unleashed on anyone

[gusty mirage]

^

[glass tulip]

night fae mastery stacking trinket

[limber lion]

Yes

But Quake's entire

[gusty mirage]

Bruh you legit just lit him up in 40 lines

[limber lion]

"omg so cringe and painchamp using a trinket for aoe instead of prio"

[gusty mirage]

but I "unleashed"?

[limber lion]

is the entire thing here

[marble hemlock]

nah

thats not the argument tho cev

[limber lion]

no

that's my argument

[marble hemlock]

not in its entirety, anyway

[limber lion]

I didn't join your previous argument

[spice spire]

Yeah I never said that at all

[marble hemlock]

well, if your grp needs more aoe, then more power to you

[gusty mirage]

All I did was ask him to elaborate on his thought process and he did and I respect that

[limber lion]

I came back to Quake going ":painchamp:" to someone wanting to get the trinket

[gusty mirage]

meanwhile you type out a novella in 40 lines trying to make Quake feel stupid

but I unleashed

okay

[spice spire]

I just

[strange python]

Shut up

[marble hemlock]

i didnt take that at all as quake thinking its a waste of time to farm the trinket

[limber lion]

"Why would you farm the court trinket? "
"Because it's good"
" "

[spice spire]

Yeah I definitely didn’t to “I want to get whetstone” I legit forgot whetstone dropped from court

[limber lion]

it's similar to someone saying that they're trying to farm the Mistcaller trinket from MOTS

Except Whetstone is good

and mistcaller isn't

[marble hemlock]

oh definitely. i think itll see a lot of play

[spice spire]

Assuming intent is bad, Cev, I’m on the side of “rogue needs prio damage” because I’ve spent 10 years on bosses - and it’s not what I need.

[marble hemlock]

whether thats actually justified or worth it, is another debate entirely

its definitely all the rage atm

[spice spire]

I’m not calling whetstone actual garbage lol

[marble hemlock]

but whetstone wont make you go from 11k overall to 14k or 13 or even 12k

and then theres another debate about whether overall is in any way significant when you play rogue in teh first place

[glass tulip]

whetstone did 10% of my dps in a +2 vault

on cd

[limber lion]

I couldn't care less what trinkets anyone uses, but don't someone because they want to use a certain trinket. That's all.

[spice spire]

But that’s not what happened

[kindred rapids]

Honestly more aoe is just less funnel

[limber lion]

If someone wants to spend time farming a certain trinket and "pad" or whatever you call it, then let them

[spice spire]

And not the emote used?

[limber lion]

I don't have your pain emotes

[strange python]

[limber lion]

lol..

[spice spire]

Yeah

Not the same one king

[glass tulip]

[spice spire]

And the reasoning

[spice spire]

There

[limber lion]

That didn't seem like it

after you followed it up with this

both shitting on people who want to do more damage

[gusty mirage]

oh did I shit on people?

[spice spire]

Well that’s again, assuming intent

[gusty mirage]

with a sarcastic tongue-in-cheek comment?

[limber lion]

nah I'm just exaggerating myself now

[strange python]

Chat moving so fast no one will see im gay

[glass tulip]

everybody salty rn 😢

[gusty mirage]

Yeah much like you did when you claimed I "hate" varas and "unleashed" on him?

[small basin]

think if you wanna do big aoe damage you chose the wrong class xD

[glass tulip]

holup

[gusty mirage]

Real nice dude

👍

[spice spire]

I don’t shit on people, I definitely didn’t do that there. I even said “oh yeah this is good for soulrender because my guild seems low on aoe damage”

[gusty mirage]

On that note, I'm done with this conversation

Hilarious

[kindred rapids]

Imagine trying to do more damage. Thats what mages are for.

[limber lion]

Yeah, just seemed that way Oxi when it was basically 1v1 between me and Quake and instead of attacking us you went for Varas

But yeah, we're done here.

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/now-kith-mike-tyson-gif-13249709

[soft shale]

whetstone is interesting in the way glaives was

[shy dust]

[soft shale]

if two or more people use it at the same time

[strange python]

Stop lurking in assa

[soft shale]

you can skip personal cds for a pull

[shy dust]

Gotta keep up to date

[soft shale]

that is kinda my sauce

[limber lion]

Yeah, just made you seem condescending that people want a higher overall instead of playing for prio, but maybe I misunderstood.

[strange python]

Here ill be condescending

[limber lion]

I do apologize.

[marble hemlock]

I SAID KISS

[gusty mirage]

You're actually high as fuck if you think that wasn't directed toward you too

[soft shale]

[strange python]

If your top dmg at end of key is black powder you suck

[marble hemlock]

i rarely agree with dk

[soft shale]

nani sacrilegious

[marble hemlock]

but hes right

[spice spire]

I’m legit the worst rogue here lmao - I would never assume that I’m better than anyone

But I’m definitely sorry if it came across that way - I would never want that

[marble hemlock]

i mean, oxi/varas had an argument way before you joined in cev

maybe you missed that

thats why he continued the previous convo

[gusty mirage]

it wasn't even an argument, I just asked for his reasoning and he clarified it

and it was a very valid reason

[spice spire]

Only want to help the homies

[marble hemlock]

no you dont

[limber lion]

Yeah I noticed

[marble hemlock]

you wanna hurt us by not posting more george

[limber lion]

That's why I also threw in the comment about him disliking Varas and attacking him

[marble hemlock]

i dislike everyone

[gusty mirage]

Which you pulled out of your ass

[marble hemlock]

makes things easier

[gusty mirage]

because I didn't attack him

[strange python]

me attacking Varas

[subtle tundra]

LETS FIGHT

I PLAY OUTLAW

[gusty mirage]

half naked?

[marble hemlock]

wow

giving up

before the fight starts

[strange python]

No reason to fight the mentally ill

[marble hemlock]

by picking outlaw

thats like bringing a knife to a gunfight

[glass tulip]

outlaw player in assa channel

[soft shale]

dont worry playing outlaw makes you look cooler we can always band together against boomkins

that is why i also hang out with assa and outlaw to overthrow our caster overlords

united strong

[small basin]

imagine playing all 3 specs!

well not sub cos its boring

[strange python]

Alright ADHD andy

[soft shale]

idk man its been 17 years

[tight ginkgo]

unsure if im adhd andy or noncommittal newman

[soft shale]

specs come and go

but poisons are eternal

now we just cant craft them

the return of snd was funny tho

[spice spire]

You’re both king

And that’s some good shit

[soft shale]

im still waiting for prep to come back

one day

[spice spire]

[soft shale]

[timid cloud]

Wait, y’all aren’t padding as hard as you possibly can at any given time?

Shit...

[marble hemlock]

except for when they werent

[timid cloud]

[marble hemlock]

and 2/3 specs didnt have poisons

[kindred rapids]

I mean, maximizing for overall dmg is clearly not right

[soft shale]

they live in our heart

i still have mine in my bags

they are grey items but hey

[timid cloud]

I mean sometimes you gotta.

[soft shale]

same as my throwing weapon

they will take that one off my cold hands in the sepulcher

[timid cloud]

Like if I go into a key with a Venthyr Boomkin & my mans is hitting like a potato while on CD’s, then someone has gotta do the pump, think the tank & the healer can do all of that?

Boomkins on CD hit like a wet napkin.

[kindred rapids]

Easy, just don't bring bookins to keys

[timid cloud]

Sometimes you gotta.

[small basin]

how do you pad as assa tho

[spice spire]

Well yeah, all groups need different things. You won’t hard pump with like frost mage or monk in packs, but whetstone definitely would help there

[timid cloud]

I just simply hit my buttons harder, duh???

[small basin]

i could see sub

spamming black powder

[timid cloud]

But also...

Who said I’m playing Sin in keys?

[spice spire]

After setting your prio bleeds up, not focusing one target and bleeding more

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Filthy sub key gamer
But in all seriousness if you’re pushing, that’s the way to go

[small basin]

im doing 21s and assa still feels p good

but obviously thats not high now

[timid cloud]

Every week I want to play it feels so bad. Explosives...Spitefuls...I’m always sad...

[small basin]

a fellow roegue gave me advice to just ignore explosives

maybe try that

[timid cloud]

LMAO

[small basin]

then its a non affix

[timid cloud]

I would if I didn’t get railed for it.

But sometimes you just gotta cloak & say GL team, call an ambulance, but not for me.

[strange python]

Explosive is a tank healer job

[small basin]

lmao

so true

when you're the only one alive after 5 orbs goes off

feels good

[marble hemlock]

you shouldnt tho

[kindred rapids]

In dungeons you're trying to shorten the critical path of the dungeon. It would be interesting to play around with simulating damage done along the critical path to try to quantify that.

[marble hemlock]

its a tank+healer affix now that theyre onshots

[spice spire]

Not missing today I see

[small basin]

nah lfg healers just stand there afk between heals

[marble hemlock]

unless they ask for help cuz its a high pressure situation and they need all the GCDs defensively