assassination

[oak sky]

Me, a dagger haver 🧐

[jaunty steeple]

hand it over

[simple stratus]

do the sigryn adds enrage at 20%?

that bro just starts walloping me with out berserk up

[balmy condor]

Nah

The overlaps are just brutal

If you’re slow on dps you’ll start getting all 3 at once

[drowsy hedge]

about what dps to aim for? I'm usually at 900ish and I get the same thing... around 25% it gets nuts

[balmy condor]

I think I was around 900

Id have to check the vod

[sharp stump]

Roughly, I found focusing the axe guy helped cause if you hit the ‘fight enrage’ where they all use their shit, it’s manageable to keep bursting down the dudes shield repeatedly. That way you don’t have to deal with getting the enraged guy smacking you again and again

[balmy condor]

They share health

[sharp stump]

Do they?

Lol

[balmy condor]

Yes

[sharp stump]

Damn

That would’ve been nice to know hehe

[hollow river]

raid called off due to absences tonight ):

[main solar]

btw, in terms of macros, /cast [@boss1] Blind works for sig. Jarl is boss3, so can probably use [@boss3] for the kidney macro

[balmy condor]

Can add that in thank you

[main solar]

it helps to have kept old macros from 2 expansions ago 😄

and yes, boss3 works for jarl

[outer cairn]

i forgot mt was up. now i wanna do it but i'm on my laptop. i think the only thing i ever used was the blind macro. thats for when she starts casting that big ability right

[tame stump]

How much haste do y'all have going into MT?

[simple stratus]

19

[outer cairn]

gonna give it a shot. i remember the fight, but its just putting it all back together

[simple stratus]

im doing 1k dps and still getting just the worst triple overlaps

back to back berserks

and my world quest trinket is giga healing me

still ripping

[outer cairn]

wow i just got smoked hardcore. they do a shit ton of dmg

[balmy condor]

That’s the enrage

[main solar]

is there a hard enrage or just the consistent triple overlap?

[outer cairn]

i forget how to surive this. i was getting bleeds up and everything but just getting hit with so much dmg by all 3

[main solar]

just got jarl to 4%, so close

[balmy condor]

I haven’t seen a hard enrage but the triple overlaps over and over and over are just impossible to survive so I assume there’s nothing after that

[outer cairn]

are you all blinding sig off the get go?

[balmy condor]

No

You’ll never hit the dps check if you perma blind her

[outer cairn]

man idk how to survive it then and that was just the beginning

[balmy condor]

That strat is dead

You take leeching poison

And vial

And dodge axes

[outer cairn]

yeah i switched to leech

[balmy condor]

If you dodge axes and kick some shadow bolts

You can heal yourself up

[outer cairn]

probably getting hit with axe and smacked with bolts

i mainly kept dps on sig and the caster and just avoided the jarl except to put on bleeds

[balmy condor]

Yeh the caster is the main target

[outer cairn]

gonna take me a few runs. i would play better on my desktop

haha they debuffed our blind

[balmy condor]

Buffed*

The fight is not possible without that change

[simple stratus]

oops, my bloodscale trinket was breaking my blinds

😦

[outer cairn]

yeah idk what it is but i'm just getting smacked by all 3. even with leech and vial i'm taking so much dmg

[simple stratus]

this trinket does work btw

[outer cairn]

and im wearing mostly mythic/heroic gear so i don't think its a gear thing

[balmy condor]

Gear scales

Master poisoner + leeching poison + fortified leech on cloak

Should be enough

[simple stratus]

look at dmg taken

im sure its a ton of axes

if youre getting wrecked early, youre not ccing enrage or blinding the aoe

[outer cairn]

i did cc his beserk. i haven't gotten to the blind part yet

[simple stratus]

check back in in 20 pulls

[balmy condor]

I evasion the berserk and then kidney towards the end

On the first one

Do runes, blind sig on second set then instantly bring her back in

[drifting cosmos]

is MT balanced or what lol

does feel is hard

[hollow river]

did u run CT or PB

[balmy condor]

CT gaming

[balmy condor]

It’s rough

[outer cairn]

yeah its gonna take some pulls to get it back. when the jarl gets up on me its gets rough

[dark token]

https://i.imgur.com/IlOHFqB.png ready for tuesday night for once

[outer cairn]

yeah i should run CT

[hollow river]

how do i get to the mages tower kek

[dark token]

wait if i go to mage tower before raid will it wipe my theotar then i have no theotar?

[balmy condor]

You fly

[balmy condor]

Yeah it will I think

[dark token]

rip

[outer cairn]

man his enrage seems to last forever

[hollow river]

port to Azsuna?

or legion Dal

[balmy condor]

Legion dal faster

It’s broken shore

So you just hop down

[hollow river]

kk

then i just talk to someone iirc?

[balmy condor]

Yeah there’s an npc that has 900 players on it

It’s hard to miss

[outer cairn]

man this feels so much more chaotic then before lol.

[dark token]

is the sin challenge as easy as in legion or harder

[outer cairn]

but i did it in legion

[dark token]

i remember it was like a 2 shot in legion

sub one was significantly harder

outlaw was also faceroll

[balmy condor]

Harder

[tame stump]

it's a lot harder now, imo

we have no borrowed power

[balmy condor]

But with the hotfixes it’s not THAT much worse tbh

[tame stump]

we're playin' off pure stats

[balmy condor]

It was brutal on ptr

Took me 10ish attempts

So if you remember the strats and stuff

It’s not bad

[dark token]

i think thats a good difficulty level

i think in legion sub one took me from 10-30 attempts?

[outer cairn]

i remember the the strat but i'm just still getting smacked lol

runes popping up very fast just as soon as i clear the first set

[dark token]

like as long as its sub 100 attempts

its fine prob

it would be kinda lame if everyone cleared it this week

it comes back every 6 months?

[outer cairn]

thats a long time to wait so i think thats why ppl ARE trying to clear it now

[dark token]

thats good

[hollow river]

I’m trying to get other class sets too

[grand ridge]

I was thinking the set bonus would carry me but all those sorts of things are turned off

it won't be any easier in 6 months

[hollow river]

And idk how to play most classes

This is gonna be fun

[outer cairn]

yeah its literally just your gear and the stats it gives you. i must be getting hit by a lot of axes and even a 5 point kidney ain't enough to keep the jarl off my ass with his melee

[grand ridge]

makes me wonder if that world quest trinket that procs damage and heals you is any good

at low item levels it was a pretty decent trinket

[hollow river]

Just run IQD and Decanter of Endless Howling

EZ clap I’m hoping

[ruby birch]

hi guys

weird seeing me here ik but what talents do you run on this spec

for mage tower

[hollow river]

EP

MA

MFD or vigor

Leeching poison

Cheap shot talent

Alacrity

CT

[ruby birch]

oki tyty

[lean coral]

can you vanish for the MA buff? or does it reset it

[ruby birch]

you can vanish

they have stealth detect so

[hollow river]

I’m not sure honestly

Kk

[grand ridge]

i think whispyr went with subterfuge

[hollow river]

Ah idk

@balmy condor

[grand ridge]

it might be good to get garrotes up on all 3

[hollow river]

Bless us with the knowledge

[vagrant urchin]

do legion leggos work?

[ruby birch]

ok ngl i dont even know what im pressing on this

[ruby birch]

no

[vagrant urchin]

kk

thanks

[grand ridge]

I wonder if mind numbing poison might be good too

to slow down the casts, and attack speed

[hollow river]

Why are you trying sin then

[ruby birch]

mount

[hollow river]

You have to do other classes too

You know that right

[ruby birch]

that's fine

i unfort do not play shaman or lock or pala

[grand ridge]

dont do the tank one next

[ruby birch]

and have no idea how to play arcane mage

[grand ridge]

its the worst one if you are doing the knockback boss

[ruby birch]

so sin is all i have for this one

[dark token]

dafuq https://i.imgur.com/qWJhUsl.png

didnt think it would be that much better than current trinkets

unless the scaling is whack on raidbots

[hollow river]

I think a lot of it isn’t implemented correctly

Is what I think whispyr was saying earlier today

And that they may never be implemented fully

So idk

[meager swallow]

A lot of guildies are saying MT is way overturned. Anyone feel the same?

[dark token]

people just bad or they play tanks

it actually is supposed to be hard

[outer cairn]

i mean yeah its hard, but i don't remember it being this hard. like i'm doing the K shot, kicking shadowbolts, hitting runes, hitting the blind, but i'm still just taking a buttload of dmg

it took me awhile to get it way back in legion, but i had also just made my rogue my maina gain

i' figured now it wouldn't be so bad

[dark token]

is there any timewalking gear thats op?

[hollow river]

No

[dark token]

maybe i go equip my mythic legion gear?

aka tier sets

[hollow river]

No

[dark token]

rip

[strange python]

Is countermeasures not better than amp?

[hollow river]

You can use really low ilvl gear with sockets and old enchants that’s it

No borrowed power

[hollow river]

🔮

Let me ask my crystal ball

Idk 100% if it’s in raidbots correctly so I can’t answer sorry

If you got it just test it

[strange python]

Well idk, you were replying to that sim right? I missed whatever whispyr said :(

It seems to be doing decent damage and I can't imagine the extra crit is a bad thing

[hollow river]

People have been talking about all of it all day

Well taking crit over agi can be weird

[strange python]

I must've missed it :/

[hollow river]

Scroll up

Read some

Or even search for countermeasure being brought up

Etc

[strange python]

Couldn't find it over mage tower talk, search function bleh. I'll try tho thx

[hollow river]

Ask whispyr when he’s back maybe

[outer cairn]

little progress. avoiding those axes is tricky and then trying to get that damn shield down

[strange python]

@balmy condor faulty countermeasures overrated by Sims?

Couldn't find anything with search function but maybe I'm just bad at search

[slow marsh]

No it's really good

[frail kettle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
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Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
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Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[lean coral]

Man I'm getting trucked

[outer cairn]

yeah his axes are getting me

[lean coral]

Shit did not hit this hard in legion

[thorny pond]

Legion it was a literal one shot going in blind

Guess they fixed that

[slow marsh]

we're tuned for bp

we're losing 2-3 layers of bp right now going into mage tower so it's rough

[thorny pond]

I kinda like being striped down and just relying on the class

[alpine latch]

Anyone got a video of Whispyr's Sin clear for Mage Tower?

[outer cairn]

i'm starting to get there. now its dodging the damn valkyr

and keeping bleeds up

[strange python]

Supposedly nerfs might come as some classes are borderline not doable?

I've heard blood dk is...interesting

[outer cairn]

getting fukinng knocked back into axes is infuriating

[thorny pond]

I think they’ll keep it buffed for a bit and see how people do. Looks like every spec has one clear just going off the achievements tracker. Forces everyone to be crafty

[strange python]

No rogue tuning in ptr build kekw

[grand ridge]

heh

[balmy condor]

Countermeasure good

[strange python]

<3 u

Someone was saying it might be overdone by sims

[drifting cloud]

how much crit does a 246 have?

[strange python]

111

[outer cairn]

yeah idk. i feel like its a bit overtuned. back then, yeah lots of pulls learnign the strat and stuff. but been playing rogue a long time now and using the old strat i'm just getting tanked

[alpine latch]

Yeah, the Kidney Shot macro doesn't work for me

It literally never casts KS

So that's cool

[outer cairn]

runes in puddles

[balmy condor]

The macro is typo’d yeh

[alpine latch]

Is it?

[balmy condor]

Someone earlier said /cast [@boss1] Blind works for sig. Jarl is boss3, so can probably use [@boss3]

Will be updating the macros in a second just got home

[alpine latch]

word, I'll let you know if boss3 works

so now [target=@boss3], just @boss3?

[balmy condor]

Just @steep linden3

[alpine latch]

okay

[balmy condor]

Ouch

[alpine latch]

lol

[balmy condor]

Rip that guy

[outer cairn]

gah. had them at like 60%

just gotta clean it up a bit. health was staying there with globes but

when it starts getting hectic it feels like a lot of FoK and keep bleeds up and envenom spamming

[balmy condor]

Fok?

[lean coral]

i dont have the crit to make fok worth

i get 1 combo point half the time in that shit

[thorny pond]

Back to the drawing board doosh

[balmy condor]

The crit to make fok work

[lean coral]

i wish the shit was just scaled up

[thorny pond]

Can’t press FoK until 45% crit dontcha know

[slim jay]

Bro just mutilate

[thorny pond]

Bad word

[balmy condor]

The fuck does this even mean

[thorny pond]

Ban him

He said a no no word

Santa sees

[kind talon]

He wishes it wasn’t scaled down

[outer cairn]

yeah i probably just mut. its more of a 3 adds reaction when they on top of me. my crit is like really high in there. like 51%

[balmy condor]

But that doesn’t fix the fok thing

[lean coral]

oh im not saying that for fok

i just hate being scaled down

in general

[gusty mirage]

you only fok on 3t to apply poisons

[balmy condor]

Oh

Yeh

[gusty mirage]

even if you had 70% crit

[balmy condor]

But yeh fok on 3 is uh

No good

[thorny pond]

I’ll FoK you up

[kind talon]

And you only fok on 4 targets

[gusty mirage]

promise?

[outer cairn]

ok. i'll just mut

[kind talon]

Or more

[thorny pond]

It’s a deal

[gusty mirage]

[outer cairn]

just need to keep bleeds up so the energy is coming in. thats my problem when it starts to get a little hectic

[kind talon]

I did like two pulls of the assa mage tower

[thorny pond]

Guess who got a 2nd dagger this morning

[kind talon]

And then stopped it forever

[balmy condor]

Yep just practice

[gusty mirage]

not me?

[thorny pond]

I’m a farmer now

[outer cairn]

i mean unless i'm getting runes or something or dodging axes really just have to stand there adn take it

i did it in legion. pretty sure i can do it again. especially since i got them to like 60%ish

literally threw my face into it back then so about to do the same after raid

runes in the pools sucks though especially if low health

bad rng

[balmy condor]

Cloak works

[frozen elbow]

ok maybe i should have put time in to farm the correct gear

[ruby birch]

sadge i got to 40%

[upbeat needle]

anyone else not able to attack in mage tower?

like literally cannot use any ability

[frozen elbow]

not having that but man it is wrecking me

[upbeat needle]

nvm

whwat the fuck

how do u do this

i can attack now but got fucked

[outer cairn]

yeah i used it the first time lol. second time nothing i can do

[toxic quail]

ive done 7 Courts and no ring boys

wish me luck on this 8th one

its gonna happen

[proven moth]

It's nerfed 😮

[outer cairn]

its literally going to take quite a few pools to A, get used ot the fight again, B get used to ensuring bleeds are up all the time, and C, just rng sometimes screws you

[limber lion]

So in summary

Just takes time and practice.

[outer cairn]

yeah for me at least. and like i said i'm playing on my laptop cause traveling so its always a different feel. but i know i can do it. just gotta watch those bleeds. cause i'm avoiding mechanics and stuff. his spin axe thing i can't remember if you can k shot it or just run away from it

[grand ridge]

legit my wipes are mostly coming from me forgetting to set sigryn as my focus

its driving me crazy I am so dumb

[novel arrow]

OMG, I only saw that they giga changed the Court of stars ring.

Is it still worth farming?

anyone know ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[novel arrow]

ok.

they straight up changed the tooltip and everything lol! damn

[balmy condor]

if it makes you feel better, you're the 7 millionth person to ask

[weak plover]

Watching @balmy condor face tank the mage tower has got me giga tilted

[primal egret]

Anyone actually do the sin mage tower yet? I keep hitting some enrage

[balmy condor]

[ruby birch]

yo

this guy just enraged at 10%

and smacked my ass

what the fuck

[plush garnet]

I didn't think the sigryn encounter had an enrage timer, but apparently it does

[ruby birch]

am i supposed t o kill jarl first

[plush garnet]

cause I've gotten slapped by it twice

[ruby birch]

is it a timer?

[novel arrow]

Thanks for the screenshot @balmy condor . ❤️

[plush garnet]

When I've gotten jarl close to 20% both times all 3 mobs get an enrage icon,

and I get trucked for all my hp

in a few hits

[balmy condor]

I'm uploading a highlight from stream earlier

can I just say though

this shit drip

[thorny pond]

ice ice baby

[outer cairn]

and thats why i need to get it. can you link it @balmy condor i'd like to watch

[balmy condor]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1227204807

idk if its uploaded yet

but that's the link

[dark token]

just spam any key level of it you can valor up it later

[arctic hare]

Should I go ahead and make sure to spam add?

[toxic quail]

oh i am

[arctic hare]

with bleeds that is on the Eye

[toxic quail]

im spamming bro

[primal egret]

big grats dude ur nuts, can i get a stream link 👀

nm its righ there lmfao

thank you!!!

[slow marsh]

What up

[balmy condor]

[thorny pond]

lmao

[shut garnet]

[slow marsh]

[primal egret]

[frozen elbow]

wtf @balmy condor that's crazy man...i can't live through all 3 on me but for seconds i feel like.

[thorny pond]

git gud

[plush garnet]

Guess I'm just not doing enough dmg

[simple stratus]

thats scuffed at least 10 of my runs

[plush garnet]

I didn't think sig had an enrage timer, tilting tf out of me though

[simple stratus]

i get that dude to like 5% hp and then he just wrecks me

and im doing like over 1k dps the whole run

[ruby birch]

ez clapped

[plush garnet]

I have the mechs down, its not hard but my dmg is garbo I guess

[balmy condor]

yeh idk

I was at like 1.2

[dawn ivy]

yo did rogue get any changes with ptr

i assume not

[plush isle]

so some t set tuning on ptr no info on sin rogue

[pearl ingot]

Any tipps so far for your european friends? Is normal raidgear/m+ Fine for mage tower

[simple stratus]

i had a eureka moment, when you blind sigrund to stop the aoe, dont leave her blinded

break the blind for more dps

killed it that time without berserk

i was just leaving her blinded lol

oops

[grand marten]

Apologies if I missed this in the pins somewhere, are any of the m+ legion trinkets worth going after for sin over a 252 Phial/Fusion Amplifier/etc.?

[slow marsh]

no they only have like 3-4 things up right now and it was the really early stuff from day 1`

[outer cairn]

gah i really wanna get this beat onight

i keep letting CT drop too

ugh

i typically kite away from jarl though when he's throwing axes is that good or bad?

[fossil kiln]

the jarls axes are so dumb

[simple stratus]

whoever coded their pathing is a dick

[fossil kiln]

they shoot straight at u too

[proven moth]

Valkyrs - rune - shield overlap it's troll

Legion timers overall seems clunky

[balmy condor]

Whetstone
countermeasure
Auto ring

[grand marten]

Thanks @balmy condor .

[plush garnet]

will CT break blind ?

On sig?

[balmy condor]

yes

[outer cairn]

yeha mutliple runes in pools sucks

especially the little one

[proven moth]

I hate the valkyrs fly path -.-

[arctic hare]

Took that advice I got

I'm doing WAY better

I'm actually getting purple parses lol

Well, higher purple parses

[arctic hare]

Yeah, that SUCKED

[plush garnet]

Ok I'm getting closer, just need to maximize dmg uptime

letting bleeds fall off etc

[oak sky]

@balmy condor whens our tier rework wtf

[arctic hare]

Once you get used to it it just becomes second nature

[outer cairn]

yeah this is getting me. and i think its because i'm playing on my laptop so its a different mouse and keyboard adn its throwing me off

plus dodging shit and trying to look at mechanics and worrying about health

i feel like i ahve to get the orbs almot everytime cause of those damn axes

[arctic hare]

Fun

Just get your DH to do orbs LOL

[outer cairn]

yeah its just going to take practice again. my last attempt i got them to 60 but i was low health, didn't have cloak and had a rune in a pool and its like well

[fresh kernel]

WELL GETTING TO 60 NOW

[proven moth]

If I get vaklyrs + runes + shield and no cloak, should I just break my KB?

[outer cairn]

need to avoid the hurling axes a bit better. but if jarl is stationary throwing i don't even go near him i kite away

[main solar]

can confirm there's a hard enrage at 6min 30s

[outer cairn]

thats not a lot of time

[main solar]

nope, that's about the time I can get jarl down

[outer cairn]

you're getting jarl down first? i thought the rune guy had the least health

[simple stratus]

just dont do what i did and leave sigryn blinded for full duration, blind to stop the cast and then break the blind for more dps

[main solar]

probably the absorb shield. I'm also not leaving her blinded

[simple stratus]

cyclotronic + unbridled fury pots are a lot of dmg too

[outer cairn]

yeah i break the blind to. when all 3 on top of me thats when i start losing track of bleeds

it sucks you kshot jarl but even still he keeps coming for a bit with his attack for a bit

i wanna watch teh fight and then go in

i did better when i did that back in legion

[fossil kiln]

just in time for raid

1.1k dps was enough to beat it

[proven moth]

We had more resourses in the AW and timers weren't so clunky tbh

I feel the same way

[fossil kiln]

potion of unbridled fury did 16k damag e

[hollow river]

im actually just dying to melee's in p1

wtf lol

[livid temple]

wait is that what the set actually looks like ingame who chose those colours?

[nocturne zealot]

Should we be targeting a trinket or weapon from this legion m+ stuff?

[jaunty steeple]

#assassination message

[nocturne zealot]

Ty!

[brazen zodiac]

m sylv tips? :D

[jaunty steeple]

kill the boss

don't die

[brazen zodiac]

shit

why didnt i think of that

[fossil kiln]

hope ur raid isnt stacked on single target dps so you actually have something to do p1

[brazen zodiac]

it kinda is i think f

[jaunty steeple]

P1 is a snoozer after people get used to it

"stop dps"

[outer cairn]

can you get enough dps on the fight even if you kite away from jarl when he is throwing axes?

[thorny pond]

probably cutting it too close

[outer cairn]

ugh. but those damn things are so hard to avoid at range as it is

[arctic hare]

God, those stupid axes

[thorny pond]

just move in a counterclockwise circle

[outer cairn]

hmm?

[hollow river]

i feel like all of these challenges are basically the same as raid

just gonna take repitition for the less experienced

definitely aggravating though lol

[thorny pond]

you can bait the axe movement like the stupid Kings Rest boss

[outer cairn]

not familiar

[arctic hare]

haha! 97 ILVL PARSE ON HEROIC PAINSMITH

[limber swallow]

I assume legion lgendaries don't work in any of this content, right?

[outer cairn]

nope its literally just your gear

[limber swallow]

what fun is that? I have all these dumb toys in void storage

[outer cairn]

yeah no conduits nothing

not even flag works

so its literally keep all your bleeds up and avoid shit really

and hope leeching poison and vila keep you alive

[fathom flax]

fml

[oak sky]

already had all that?

needed a dagger i guess?

[pallid bough]

LMAO

[drifting cloud]

complaining about triple 259 vault with 1 kill on the bosses

[grand ridge]

man this challenge was such a joke in legion for rogue

compared to what it is today

[fathom flax]

@drifting cloud havent opened a vault for months

[shut garnet]

ye luck stacks the more weeks pass by that u dont open ur vault

[fathom flax]

Ion told me that too

@oak sky i need all 3 actually

whichever i pick has a 100% chance to drop tonight

[oak sky]

thats not so bad

you can greed

and not take until you kill a boss

i would take shoulders though

definitely dont take the ring

[shut garnet]

not really greeding, probably the right move to not pick vault till tonight

whats the downside of going to raid -1 piece down? ur 5min sim is -50dps?

[drifting cloud]

its pretty easy shoulders

[oak sky]

^

[drifting cloud]

if you loot them you can just trade them to someone else

[fathom flax]

all of them are 246 -> 259, 60+ on ring 70+ on shoulders 90+ on legs

[oak sky]

legs are small and ring is common

[fathom flax]

100% picking vault after raid

[oak sky]

good luck

i'm hoping one of those pieces in your vault drops for me tonight

[fathom flax]

tonight, dagger drops, legs drop, shoulders from gv and traded ring

see you all in 9.2

[oak sky]

gg

[amber fossil]

I have killed H Syl 4 times, no loot. Last month's vault had no Syl gear (only gear I can use from H) How that for rng

How's

[drifting cloud]

pretty standard.

[amber fossil]

My N vault had her dagger 2 or 3 weeks in a row, gues I used up all my lady luck on N

[dark token]

im so fucking malding

2 sylv kills in 2 months

and i have dc on both

what the fuck

[viscid schooner]

🖕🏻

[clever kindle]

I just gave up on the heroic daggers

[arctic hare]

Yeah, waiting to use flag and amp has really helped the dps

[viscid schooner]

I dont believe in edge of night

I think they are a scam and a fairytale

[thorny pond]

you need to pray

[viscid schooner]

I pray every sylvana kill

And vault

[thorny pond]

Wrong

[viscid schooner]

But god doesn’t believe in me

[thorny pond]

every time you need to take leak. Pray

[viscid schooner]

Hahaha

😂🤣

[thorny pond]

Taking out the trash? Get down on both knees and suck the dagger god

[viscid schooner]

Hahahahahahahaha

I hope i got one in my vault at 9 o clock

[spice spire]

Bro?

[thorny pond]

I did a lot of things in jail to get these daggers Quake

[spice spire]

uh yes sir mr. Beach

Carry on

[thorny pond]

2 259s within 11hrs of each other well after prog isn't a coincidence

[viscid schooner]

Wtfack

Ill suck the dagger god then

[rancid spade]

why cant you use covenant on mage tower

[thorny pond]

Because it wasn't tuned that way

[hollow river]

have u tried tower yet

[thorny pond]

he is the tower

[hollow river]

the TEN of TOWERS??

[thorny pond]

new drip meets old daggers

[hollow river]

which one did u do

[thorny pond]

Just need to do outlaw

[hollow river]

im gonna try sub it seems easiest for my dps brain

[spice spire]

Nah I haven’t done tower yet

[hollow river]

outlaw one fucks

[spice spire]

Don’t have a lot of time during the week

So I’m hitting the lab this weekend

[thorny pond]

PTSD from Legion outlaw

[gusty mirage]

7/10 so far in this reclear with an hour left of raid

😮

[thorny pond]

that's how it should be

[drifting cloud]

time to wipe on fatescribe for 1h

[hollow river]

i find it harder for me to focus mechanics/dps/and CC diff targets n shit

sub is basically just dps dps dps

[thorny pond]

we just don't kill FS anymore

Sub is like meticulous. You can't die to lack of healing but if you scuff mechanics you're gonzo then the P2 push is rough

Sin has more wiggle room

[gusty mirage]

wanna come wiggle in my room?

[thorny pond]

waggle

I just need to get my brain fried before I go try outlaw

so maybe this weekend I'll tank myself and do it

[ocean torrent]

anyone make a CoS run for that ring?

[balmy condor]

there are groups in the group finder all the time

[ocean torrent]

I got one, not sure if it's gonna be as good as it was back then

since it's not a % anymore

[bronze fiber]

I might mix things up and head back to sin doing very well right now In keys

[viscid schooner]

Tbh i dont like the tier 20 looks

[outer cairn]

time to go smash face in mage tower again

[thorny pond]

then don't do it

[outer cairn]

haha i can't not do it.

i need to get more runs in.

gah i hate how it removes your poisons everytime

[hollow river]

yeah its annoying

[tidal gorge]

Blah. I feel like I was getting chunked on my few attempts. Guess I'll have to practice after all

[outer cairn]

yeah i lasted a few mins and only had her to 69%. should we use EP or Master Poisoner so leech is more effective?

if jarl would just die quicker

[echo geyser]

[plush garnet]

Man that fucking sig enrage timer is absurdly close

[gusty mirage]

boys

we fixed the 3 on fatescribe

I hope I made you proud

[outer cairn]

i can't do it. i just cannot survive

its not even mechanics its fucking pools and axes

[alpine latch]

FML...

My video driver crashed and it corrupted my UI

I lost everything 😢

[spice spire]

[alpine latch]

I used someone's ElvUI profile and tweaked it

And I don't know who's I used

Plater is gone

All of my WAs

[spice spire]

I heard there’s a couple of rogues with good plater, Elvuis, and weak auras

[alpine latch]

yeah

[spice spire]

@balmy condor I know you’re raiding but you know anyone?

[balmy condor]

cev

me

[clever kindle]

I still use nugrunning

[outer cairn]

bro come on. i had runes pop right on top of runes are you kidding me

[alpine latch]

Do you have your profiles up on Wago?

[outer cairn]

i hadn't even finished gathering the first set and then i was trying to kite jarl

[balmy condor]

yes

https://wago.io/p/Whispyr

[alpine latch]

ty ty

I snagged Cev's player profile

I'm so mad

[spice spire]

I was setting you up for a plug

[thorny pond]

I need some hair plugs

[spice spire]

Stop malding king

Pro tip of the day

[thorny pond]

malding with a "b"

[spice spire]

Think it’s pronounced 🅱️

[alpine latch]

Bro, have you ran Vault yet?

[thorny pond]

Think yall need to do your mage towers and be kings 👑

[alpine latch]

That's the malding capital of m+

[thorny pond]

I only run CoS but thank you

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m taking it easy on level

Gonna max at ten

Seen a lot of fuckery

Trash gives me 0 chance to pad and bosses are houses

[outer cairn]

i'm trying. like idk why i keep dying to the same shit

[strange python]

We skipped fate so I only got 8 bosses :(

[glass tulip]

just run 2s and stack valor for upgrades

[outer cairn]

seriously sucking ass at keeping bleeds up

[thorny pond]

tab harder bro

[outer cairn]

i'm getting killed when i make any distance because i'll be getting runes and a whole other set spawns just as i'm getting like the second of the first. like how the fuck

not even tabbing use mouse over for rupture and garrote

but thats the second time i had a set of runes spawn over another set

[quasi scroll]

Is "Dungeon Slice" sim trustworthy?

[hollow river]

yes

[quasi scroll]

ok

[balmy condor]

very

[slow marsh]

very

[quasi scroll]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g6dSCoP9o9uGnF8XyLj76w

[spice spire]

Seems good

[quasi scroll]

I figured Zoldyck would win even though it's 210

but it prefers scoundrel

[balmy condor]

well

52 ilvl

is a lot

[quasi scroll]

yeah

[balmy condor]

especially cause the zold is on boots?

for some reason?

[quasi scroll]

yeah I never remade it from like day 1

guess that's easy to do now

[spice spire]

Why did you ever have it on boots? It’s always been ideal for legs

[quasi scroll]

I don't remember, rogue was really neglected when I found it impossible to solo torghast

guess it's easy enough now to mov eit to legs

[grand ridge]

what percent does sigryn die again

[thorny pond]

20

[grand ridge]

damn

I need to use drums I think

[balmy condor]

oh

[grand ridge]

ive been hard focusing the boss

[balmy condor]

I didn't use drums that's what I was forgetting

[grand ridge]

with some small dot cleave

[balmy condor]

been nagging me all day

[thorny pond]

Same king

[outer cairn]

its always like the second set of axes or something thats getting me cause he's in the middle of the room and trying to keep damage up on all of them just getting pelted. this is infuriating

[plush garnet]

@balmy condor what trinkets were you running on your kill?

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-mage-tower-dps-challenge-sigryn

[plush garnet]

Yeah I saw that, was curious which specifically you were running though, I'm using phial and fusion amp

[severe sparrow]

"Jarl Velbrand, usually should not be in melee range:"

[balmy condor]

yeah scroll down homeboy

[plush garnet]

OH

derp thx :3

[glad siren]

no problem

what'd i do?

[grand ridge]

it seems that ocular gland is bugged in the mage tower atm

[glad siren]

!opener

!assassin

[glad siren]

crap... lol what's the thing to get the opener?

[outer cairn]

wait so should we keep jarl mostly at a distance unless he's in between hurling axes and chasing us down with his enrage?

[simple stratus]

keep dots on him, the dmg is split

you want max dot uptime on all 3

not split, shared

[glad siren]

mut snd, mut,garrot,flag,rupt, vend, shiv, vanish,mut yeah?

[severe sparrow]

i keep dying to runic detonation when there's no runes on the ground

i heard the voice line and then none spawn

[outer cairn]

yeah im really trying but his fucking axes are murdering me. they all over the place it seems

[clever kindle]

You sure its actually giving you that amount and its not just the tooltip

the scale down is applied as a template to your character right so I would think it would be reduced regardless

[severe sparrow]

nah it's giving that amount

but if you take it off and reequip inside the tower it unbugs

rip me

[simple stratus]

if the runes are super small, ive run over them before and it didnt reg

also sometimes hard to see under the spear

[grand ridge]

yeah it also unbugs if you go below 50

[outer cairn]

fuck. i got to where all 3 did there special thing and didn't realize he was enraging and he wipedme. fuck

and missed the orb

[simple stratus]

i think that one is ~4 min mark

[slim jay]

what talent build people doing the challenge with

[simple stratus]

master poisoner, leech, ct

[outer cairn]

yeah no clue how close i was. this is so fucking more difficult then i remember

[simple stratus]

i dont remember there being an enrage

[balmy condor]

the enrage was added in

[simple stratus]

ah ok

i felt like i could just feint pants for days back in legion lol

[outer cairn]

god please nerf the axes ffs

[balmy condor]

tehy already got nerfed

[outer cairn]

i'm getting hit multiple times in the middle of it i can't dodge them

[strange python]

why is this stupid fucking bitch doing her aoe even after she comes out of blind for 15 seconds, is this bugged

[hollow river]

bro every one of these is actually harder than it looks lol

[balmy condor]

yeh she'll just randomly stop moving at some points

and you just gotta let her sit in the blind

and feel it out

[alpine latch]

Okay. An hour later… it’s somewhat back to normal. I really need to back this shit up.

[strange python]

blinded her during the cast, let the blind completely run out and she just aoe'd straight away

[simple stratus]

if i blinded the cast, it didnt see she did it, but if i blinded as she was channeling, it would bug

i would just keep trying to blind before the cast finishes

[outer cairn]

if you blind her before she casts you're good. if you blind after she casts best to wait it out

[strange python]

yeah i blind before she gets a tiock off, do i wait for 1 tick?

[outer cairn]

i messed that up one time

[strange python]

tick*

[lethal saffron]

the fight is definitely way easier if you can manage to stay above 50% the whole time

with gland

[outer cairn]

these axes are literally ruining me. like they just are always right where i'm pathing

[lethal saffron]

cause if you drop below 50% u lose the bugged buff

[simple stratus]

just do the opposite of what your brain wants

[outer cairn]

idk any better way to dodge them

[hollow river]

i've been using decanter for the healing

[simple stratus]

dont back pedal

[outer cairn]

i'm ot

and still getting hit

if it weren't for the damn axes i'd have probably been a lot closer to killing this by now

[glass tulip]

only bad overlap I am having is when runes spawn directly before valkyrie

that one sucks

[rancid spade]

got it

[outer cairn]

they need to nerf it

this is ridiculous

sure it was properly tested

[rancid spade]

nah its ok

[lean fossil]

@balmy condor why you wearing the older legendaries for the kill? thought they didnt work?

[rancid spade]

sockets and better stats

[lean fossil]

ahh gotcha

[outer cairn]

nah taking away shit when we had leggo powers and stuff back then has definitely ramped up the difficulty

[hexed frost]

I'll just spam M+ in legion for trinkets

[outer cairn]

fucking had runes detonate and it hadn't even disappeared

about done trying. axes coming out of no where and just one shotting me

[simple stratus]

you need more sustain

[outer cairn]

i'm running MP and Leech

[glass tulip]

revitalizing jewel doublet, leeching poison, fortified leech

all good options

[simple stratus]

this trinket carries

[glass tulip]

what is that from?

[outer cairn]

yeah if you get it

[simple stratus]

WQ

or from necro callings

[hollow river]

I think the issue is more that every thing trucks

Practically 1 slip up and you’re dead

But with practice anything is possible

[glass tulip]

also when the healing orb spawns in the green pool and you die trying to step in and get it 🙃

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

I probably should add a paragraph about why I did what I did

[hollow river]

Everyone is raving about how it wasn’t this hard on the PTR nor back in Legion lmao

[glass tulip]

im getting sub 50%s now but when jarl empowers over and over that shit is annoying

[outer cairn]

jarl is a fucking mess. his enrage and his axes all over the place are whats wiping me

[lean fossil]

you can just whisper me it, we can keep this secret between us ;)

[outer cairn]

and i don't see that trinket up

[hollow river]

I’ve tried all 3 specs and tbh the easiest seems to be the sub one

But you’ve gotta be able to carry the dps to get it as well

[outer cairn]

i get missing a mechanic but throwing axes is just dumb

[glass tulip]

embalmers oil is probably a good choice too

gotta pick some of that up

[hollow river]

Doesn’t that share CD with combat pots?

Oo nvm the wep oil

[outer cairn]

right now dmg isn't even the issue. its just surviving

[hollow river]

Yeah idk

I probably won’t get it until this weekend

Too much going on

[grand ridge]

damage will probably eventually be the issue

I grabbed my heart of azeroth

you basically get an additional slot for a secondary stat

[glass tulip]

what if you just try a pvp set for big vers 🤔

[strange python]

Winds of winter only crit 30% on remnant even though I have 49% crit and kindred aff

I'm so sad :(

[outer cairn]

love it. take away stuff so you do less damage, put an enrage timer on it and make it harder

[marble hemlock]

[hollow river]

Actually cheating

[marble hemlock]

nah i just always keep leech gear

can always come in handy somewhere

[glass tulip]

how do you even get that high

[marble hemlock]

in legion i had a full leech set with ~40% leech

i mean, leeching poison alone is 12%

sylv chest/belt, CN BoEs with leech, 1 or 2 korthia items

[glass tulip]

6% outside of the tower

[marble hemlock]

dunno how muich it downscales

[balmy condor]

leeching is 12%

[marble hemlock]

in the tower

[balmy condor]

in and out of tower

it's a flat %

[marble hemlock]

ye

[balmy condor]

10% without MP

12 with

[marble hemlock]

leeching alone is technically enough

but just having 3-4 extra percent

makes a world of a difference

cause its the difference between slowly losing hp, vs staying at 80-100% the entire time

[glass tulip]

that's cap 🤣

[marble hemlock]

you need to reapply poison

if you switch to leeching

before it applies

[glass tulip]

okay mhm i may be a little dumb

18%

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

[strange python]

When are people using CDs in p3 sylv? I'm currently going into p3 with ~30 seconds before CDs and then lining them up, but we lust at the start of platform 3 and it dies right after arrows on plat4

[marble hemlock]

you using on colossus then or?

usually you just

drop it on sylv both burn phases in p2

[outer cairn]

i'm at 14% leech. not enough

[strange python]

I don't have vend up for second burn until after veil in p2

[marble hemlock]

then use once more in p3, then hold for lust

[strange python]

And we push it so close that I save for p3

[marble hemlock]

thats usualyl fine

[strange python]

Hmm

[marble hemlock]

most people still use it there

means you get one more use

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

before lust

[strange python]

Even though it'll only give half effectiveness before her immune?

[marble hemlock]

you could hold

and use insta

in p3

[strange python]

So better to hold for lust than get 3 casts in p3?

[marble hemlock]

i mean

no

3 casts > 2 casts with BL

[strange python]

I got a 3rd vend but it wasn't lined up with lust and I don't think I can get 3 with BL

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[strange python]

Hmm

[marble hemlock]

thats fine tho

you just send it on CD then

[strange python]

Pay guildies to die so we lust plat 4?

[marble hemlock]

nah

lusting start of p3 is the best time to do it

if you have good boss damage

*start of platform3

[gusty mirage]

You have to pay guildies to die?

Man my old guild was wild

[marble hemlock]

warlocks, mages and a few other classes have CDs at start of 3rd platform

[strange python]

I'm usually top boss dam with 10.5k and I scuffed the fuck out of flagellations today

[gusty mirage]

They did on their own

[strange python]

Yeah our boomies have ramp then

[marble hemlock]

we were considering lust timings a bit when we started having better dps

boomies get ramp like 20sec into lust iirc

ours, anyway

[strange python]

I mostly wanna talk guild into fast pushing

[marble hemlock]

we tried delaying

until after veil

but its no bueno

[strange python]

Fast push p1 is my dream

[marble hemlock]

cuz you get soaks after and lots of movement

if you kjill sylv when she enters 4th platform

fast p1 push should be super easy for you guys

fast push p1 is easier than killing her as quickly as you do in p3

[strange python]

We tried it 3x and I was heading into platform 2 with 8.6k overall, but then we wiped and went back to slow push because people were bored

:(

We missed a dispel and gave up

[marble hemlock]

unless you have like 2 buyers

fastpush is pretty easy nowadays

(assuming you have as good dps as youre saying)

[strange python]

I'm told we'll do fast push in two weeks when we have no buyers

[marble hemlock]

psure even on our best kills we didnt kill her in p3 as fast as you described

[strange python]

We killed 13:36 with slow push and a buyer, our dps p big

[marble hemlock]

and our dps isnt even that good

yeah

[strange python]

Our DH was doing like 9.5k all night

[marble hemlock]

even 1buyer fastpush is possible

its just sketchy

[strange python]

Hmm

[marble hemlock]

cuz arrows are a bit monkaS

the push isnt the problem there, surviving arrows is

[strange python]

We were pushing before those arrows

All 3 times

[marble hemlock]

without boomie CDs to carry

no i mean

intermission arrows

[strange python]

Oh

Yeah we had Boomie save ramp

[marble hemlock]

but if you have like

[strange python]

For intermission

[marble hemlock]

2DH/WW/ret or smth similar

yeah no, we didnt do that

if you go fast push, boomies commit on pull

[strange python]

Just one Boomie held ramp, rest of us zug zugged, pushed right as second sentinels died

[marble hemlock]

intermission is fine, just gotta assign one cluster of arrows that gets killed last, and have all the immune-bois take an arrow from that cluster

if you have like 2hunter 2rogue its a meme at that point

[strange python]

1 hunter 1 rogue

But DK and ret

is there any point in trying the sin MT if my rogue has 4% haste?

[glass tulip]

So is Blood of the father supposed to keep casting if you blind it after it gets a tick off?

[outer cairn]

gah. i had her at 47% and i'm hitting over 900 dps now. i just need to survive at this point

[glass tulip]

does it end at 0?

[edgy orbit]

MT ends at 20% i think

[glass tulip]

what is MT

oh mage tower

[outer cairn]

yeah but fucking axes still

[edgy orbit]

I've gotten about 41% as my best

[ruby birch]

okay wait, can someone confirm what the assa ending is

idk if i beat the thing or not lmao

[outer cairn]

fucking both sitting on top of each other and trying to do dmg and getting pelted with axes

[ruby birch]

i just assumed i did

@balmy condor

elp

[small basin]

is there anywhere i can see the 'must have' items from the legion TW thing?

[ruby birch]

i went and did it again and i have no clue if im bugged or what

[small basin]

ie ones that are better than SL stuff

[violet hemlock]

raidbots + ring

[small basin]

ah you can droptimize

got it

[violet hemlock]

Ring from Court that is

[edgy orbit]

this has helped me alot

[violet hemlock]

ring doesnt sim good everything else does

[balmy condor]

the effect isn't in sims

[small basin]

i dont know any legion dungeon mechanics so dunno if its worth lol

[violet hemlock]

ye thats what I meant

[ruby birch]

whispyr please 🥲

[violet hemlock]

Im typing too fast

[balmy condor]

what

[ruby birch]

wtf is the ending to the sin mt

[balmy condor]

?

there's a bunch of rp

and she turns good

[ruby birch]

i did the rp

she turned good

im stuck here

[balmy condor]

okay

[ruby birch]

isnt it supposed to port me out

[balmy condor]

no

[ruby birch]

I CANT LEAVE

[balmy condor]

hit the eyeball

and leave the instance

[ruby birch]

it wont do anything

[violet hemlock]

ur chilling just start with lower keys than u normally do

[balmy condor]

then hearth idk man

[ruby birch]

am i good?

ok

i literally did it twice

fucking aids challenge

idk how you people play this spec

ive gained +respect for you though i guess

[outer cairn]

how? you already beat it? wtf

[ruby birch]

yes

i just...

[outer cairn]

what the hell

[ruby birch]

kept bleeds up?

[outer cairn]

thats what i'm doing

[ruby birch]

i would try to help but dude i literally dont know wtf this spec is

i put garrote on 1, rupture on 2, crimson t empest on 3, mut on 4

and i smashed those buttons so hard

[small basin]

put up bleeds press multilate gg ez

[outer cairn]

thats what i'm doing and dodging shit and still getting destroyed

[ruby birch]

it took me a few tries

make sure to stun the jarl guy

with kidney

blind the sigryn chick whenever she starts talking about her dad

and the other guy idk

i kicked him a few times but he does nothing as far as im concerned

i think you just have to kick the long cast

[glass tulip]

you have to break the shield when he becomes empowered

[ruby birch]

yeah

idk if stats matter but

i just put on a bunch of mastery gear

[glass tulip]

once you get them all below 50% they all start becoming empowered at the same time which is now the problem

[exotic rose]

is there an enrage timer?

[ruby birch]

yes

i was hitting an enrage wall until some mega mind in here reminded everyone to break blind

[glass tulip]

what is the enrage timer?

[exotic rose]

☝🏼

[outer cairn]

i'm doing all that

[ruby birch]

i dont know... i hit enrage at 6:37 once but that didnt make sense because i killed it in 8

so im not sure

[exotic rose]

around 5% jarl just starts clapping me

[glass tulip]

what are you calling the "enrage"

[ruby birch]

they go immune to cc

[outer cairn]

if fucking jarl would just die sooner

[glass tulip]

ah

[ruby birch]

and gain a fuckton of damage

like it happened so randomly

[outer cairn]

literally jarl is my problem

[ruby birch]

i killed jarl first