assassination

[jaunty steeple]

20 min last boss incoming

god I fucking hated Sire P1

[oak sky]

no fights in the Sepulcher should last that long.

10 min boss

[jaunty steeple]

[oak sky]

ur coping

[jaunty steeple]

I wouldn't mind long bosses if all the phases felt meaningful

[oak sky]

this is facts and logic

[jaunty steeple]

but if all it ends up being is slap some shit adds and hold boss DPS at the end

miss me wit that

[oak sky]

why hold boss dps at the end

he dies at the end

🤔

[jaunty steeple]

end of P1*

I'm also slightly drunk so ignore my ramblings

[kind turtle]

what soulbind do we run for Venth raiding?

[bleak sky]

theotar with good tea

[kind turtle]

how about M+? same?

[balmy condor]

theotar still yeah

[slow marsh]

Morgan Day said that none of the fights should be as long as sylvanas but that doesn't mean too much i guess

[glass tulip]

13 minute fight

[slow marsh]

They said they agree that they want the end bosses to be more challenging mechanically as opposed to just being super long

[hollow river]

Kinda amazes me how easy Sylvanas really is when you break it down. Getting all 20 people to focus for those 13m is what’s aids about it

[oak sky]

Off the edge, die to wave, knives move, veil overlap

So many mistakes to make

Soooo long

[olive ibex]

Can comp assa with demonology and resto shaman work?

[hollow river]

Yeah idk I only know the fight from a dps point of view and it seems easy as hell imo

Definitely seems more challenging from a healer/tank perspective at least in p3

[red plaza]

#pvp

[hollow river]

Wdym? Pvp?

^

[olive ibex]

Oh wrong category, sorry <3

[balmy condor]

gotta give it a flashy name

like uh

sneaky imp link

[red plaza]

Demon thug cleave

[hollow river]

Demonic poison ele

Bleeding tyrant totem

[void carbon]

Is venthyr going to remain the best cov for sin rogue in 9.2

[gusty mirage]

Most likely yeah

[thorny pond]

I need copium Oxi

[gusty mirage]

Double legendary being tied to covenant leggo kinda makes it a sure thing

What’s good sir @thorny pond

How can I help

[thorny pond]

No warrior buff tn

they didn't put me in Wft group

[gusty mirage]

Most of our damage comes from frost which is magic damage

[thorny pond]

I was sub for Nerzhul

[gusty mirage]

Oh

[thorny pond]

sin for gotf1

[gusty mirage]

Uh

Blood is also magic damage?

[thorny pond]

double step is insane

yea but still

AP

[gusty mirage]

Oh here’s the copium

Your auto attacks don’t make your blood crit for huge numbers

EZ

[thorny pond]

I just wanna be in a new patch

let us be NF

[gusty mirage]

You can be night fae now

I may make fun of you, but you can do it

[thorny pond]

Yea on the bench I can be anything

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

#benchpatrol is back baby

How'd your week go?

[strange python]

Is raidbots not updated for AA ring effect?

[gusty mirage]

New guild, cleared 7/10M with old guild. Did a sale today and got some IO earlier so should be a nice vault

[gusty mirage]

Yeah the effect isn’t working rn

@thorny pond how was your week?

[hollow river]

i need an actual reason to grind the other 3 covenants though

[strange python]

So we think it'll work on live?

[gusty mirage]

Probably because they tweaked it before putting it out on ptr

We won’t know for sure until we can get it on ptr

[gusty mirage]

Mounts

[strange python]

Well it goes live in two days :o

[strange python]

Necrolord tmog is cool :)

[gusty mirage]

Right sorry

I’m dumb lol

It should be working in raidbots this week though

I’d guess

[strange python]

I'm trying to decide I should pump io up tonight to get into groups more easily

:(

[gusty mirage]

Well you likely won’t be able to get it from the vault so you could just run your own legion m+ and hope you get it

And upgrade it with valor regardless of ilvl

[strange python]

My plan is to spam as many vaults/CoS as possible

Countermeasure sims huge

But I figure the higher the io the easier it'll be to get into groups

[thorny pond]

It’s a limited thing so people will be spamming them non stop

Find a group or 3-4 and just pump

[slow marsh]

dang countermeasure is 2min cd?

I guess that's fine probs better than 1.5 tbh

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’ll better line up with vendetta

[slow marsh]

I was thinking more with obed flag

[gusty mirage]

Well that too

[slow marsh]

but yeah either way

[gusty mirage]

That’s why the mfd stonks were so good

[oak sky]

doesnt matter if it lines up with vendetta

[gusty mirage]

Made it easier to sync flag and vendetta

[oak sky]

its not gonna be whitelisted

[gusty mirage]

Doesn’t matter if it gets whitelisted or not, it’s more that people like macroing shit together

[oak sky]

at least flag increases fusion amp damage

slightly

[slow marsh]

lining up with flag is better cuz +haste and if obed +vers. but with vendetta is still good

[gusty mirage]

And a 2min on use trinket is less likely to miss a cast if someone does that

[slow marsh]

you still get more procs cuz more energy = more buttons pressed = more procs

[gusty mirage]

Ya know?

Because I’ve seen some shit this tier with guardian trinket

[slow marsh]

It's awkward pressing fusion amp right whne vend + flag is over

[gusty mirage]

People holding it for no reason etc

[oak sky]

no procs are literally on auto attack

im reading the trinket

its similar to fusion amp no?

[slow marsh]

cool my point still stands that it's probs better than fusion amp cuz it lines up with obed flag

[oak sky]

but most people still arent playing obedience

[strange python]

Countermeasures big for frost set

[oak sky]

and fusion amp isnt relevant next patch anyway

[hollow river]

🤮

[slow marsh]

Then the people who don't play obed will stick with fusion amp

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I got nothin then bro

[hollow river]

i want to at least do kyrian for sub but idk if it's the play next patch

[gusty mirage]

Hence why my kyrian is still 36 and my necro got to 60 and I cba anymore

[hollow river]

lol

[slow marsh]

they might change the 4p cp procs maybe

if not then it'll most likely just be venth for everything

[gusty mirage]

I did so much torghast farming renown

That I could craft every legendary at 235

Even the maw rat mantle

[slow marsh]

kekw

[gusty mirage]

I don’t even use research for sockets anymore

That’s how much torghast I did

[slow marsh]

I started farming NF renown and felt sick to my stomach so swapped back

[gusty mirage]

That’s the correct feeling

[hollow river]

agreed

[oak sky]

iceblades what happened to being a night fae shill

[slow marsh]

that's cev

I am the theotar shill

[strange python]

Nadjia for multi target thooo

[slow marsh]

then after that my meme pick for 9.2 is kyrian because you can almost get vend for every ER

theo is better on multi too

[oak sky]

nadjia is so bad in multi

[strange python]

I play theo and poison bomb and yell at tank every time they move :)

[slow marsh]

The proc is only like 2 seconds

[oak sky]

me on sylvanas when the tank is collecting poopoo

[slow marsh]

Funny enough it's easiest for sin to get the 2cp in 9.2 i think

I was messing with it yesterday. It's still not good because the soulbind options are very lackluster vs venthyr

[oak sky]

anti synergy with seal fate though

[slow marsh]

Na

[oak sky]

even if we have lower crit we still have crit

[slow marsh]

we will play subt

[oak sky]

and?

[slow marsh]

if you get 2cp you just vanish garrote garrote

just put vendetta up before vanish

[gusty mirage]

Poo poo?

[hollow river]

i mean kyrian sub will still be easy to get. but it will lose a chunk of value

[gusty mirage]

Sorry I just wanted to use the poopega emote

[hollow river]

no double EoN, mondo CP from finishers

[oak sky]

everyones gonna be venthyr next patch

[gusty mirage]

I’m sorry

[oak sky]

[slow marsh]

Except outlaw

[oak sky]

just you wait

[slow marsh]

They'll play necro

[oak sky]

mad cope

0% st leggo

[slow marsh]

Why

There's no other reason to play outlaw

[oak sky]

what about

[slow marsh]

other than mad aoe cleave

[oak sky]

outlaw one tricks

that want to raid

or!

[slow marsh]

outlaw one tricks are learning sub rn

[oak sky]

if their buffed 4 set has insane st

[slow marsh]

If they get buffed they're venthyr yeah

[oak sky]

like

if we talk about a spec for raid

[slow marsh]

Flag is too good and everyone is making mad cp's which is pretty much just auto 30 stacks

[oak sky]

its assumed that the advice isnt for them to play sub

so they would go venthyr or kyrian guaranteed

kinda hard to know since nothing is final yet

[slow marsh]

I don't think there's any way outlaw goes kyrian next patch with current 2p unless they actually just hard ignore going for animacharged and then mika carries them on top of that

[oak sky]

outlaw rn

[slow marsh]

Na there's lots of ways to hit the animacharged

[oak sky]

no

i meant

shooty shooty

🔫

[slow marsh]

o

yeh

I mean necro wouldn't be terrible for them though since they are still capped

deathspike flurry and now you're kind of uncapped

[oak sky]

for m+ maybe

but in raid necro is situational at best and blanket bad at worst

[slow marsh]

I mean let's be real if things pan out anywhere near current vibes there's 0 reason to play outlaw for ST when sin and sub are simply better with 2 different styles

[oak sky]

thats just wrong

if outlaw ends up tuned higher you play outlaw

[slow marsh]

Yeah i'm saying I don't see them getting tuned higher + having more niche than sub or sin

[oak sky]

i dont understand

[slow marsh]

Unless the 4p makes bte like mega prio damage

[oak sky]

like

their 4 pc will definitely be buffed or reworked

so we don't know what they will look like

no reason to assume their power level

[slow marsh]

i'm not i'm saying if things pan out how the trajectory seems atm. obviously yes anything can change everything

[oak sky]

trajectory rn is outlaw only has a big 2 set and essentially has no 4 set

so like

[slow marsh]

Like they could get an omega cannonball blaster and do a billion damage and they would be good all of a sudden, sure

[hollow river]

If nothing changes we will see all rogue go outlaw for prog with only 2 p obtained

[slow marsh]

tru

[hollow river]

Then switch when they get 4p

[slow marsh]

100%

[hollow river]

But I think things will change

[balmy condor]

not all rogues

[hollow river]

Tbh

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

Haha

[oak sky]

sin 2 set 📈

[slow marsh]

I mean sub 2p is good enough too

[oak sky]

WOW!

[hollow river]

Well the top rogues or minmaxers

[oak sky]

realistically you have 4 set for prog

[slow marsh]

Idk if sin will "turn on" until the 4p even if 2p buffs bleeds

Sub and outlaw will both come out the gates really strong

with dagger OH

and 2p

[balmy condor]

✅
4 piece

[oak sky]

4 piece when 2 set buffs bleed damage

[balmy condor]

I don't like mfd

there's a difference

[strange python]

Sub not fun with 4set :( hoping sin is fun

[oak sky]

its gone we play deeper

100% i have evidence

source: just trust me bro

[balmy condor]

you doubt?

[oak sky]

just wait and see iceblades

[balmy condor]

You don't believe?

[oak sky]

deeper less energy efficient enabling more haste

[strange python]

Deeper needs big haste?

[oak sky]

🤔

[balmy condor]

this church shall have no parishioners of weak faith

deeper

[oak sky]

deeper always

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

bleed damage back

dot spec

deeper for rupture damage

[oak sky]

blindside becomes weaker than ep

ZAD

[balmy condor]

no more mfd for envenom spamming

no more dots just for energy

shut the fuck up no one asked you

we bless this day

for this is the day

of bleeds

[oak sky]

and its gone

[hollow river]

LMFAO

[balmy condor]

iceblades + deleting his own messages

combo of the century

[oak sky]

classic

[hollow river]

Whispyr HATES CT IN ST

holy fuck

[balmy condor]

it's true

but so does everyone else

[oak sky]

fuck ct

[hollow river]

But if it do more dam tho

[balmy condor]

CT in ST is an aids rotation that shouldn't be allowed to exist

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

i like that when we have it talented we use it

i dont like

if it ever does more on its own

than other options

[balmy condor]

you wanna hit fan of knives single target too huh?

[oak sky]

🙉

[balmy condor]

you a little baby who wanna play HB for the fok single target?

[hollow river]

Yes

[balmy condor]

mommy didn't love you?

[hollow river]

Pls bb

[oak sky]

get out of my head daps

get out of my head

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

AOE SPELL

FOR AOE

EASY MATH

AOE SPELL

[hollow river]

AOE SPELL

[balmy condor]

NO SINGLE TARGET

[oak sky]

exsang aoe when?

Twist your blades into the target's wounds, causing your Bleed effects on them to bleed out 100% faster.

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

Twist your Hidden Blades into ALL TARGETS WOUNDS

[oak sky]

this is our prayer

Twist your blades into all targets' wounds, causing your Bleed effects on them to bleed out 100% faster.

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

What the fuck did I miss

[limber swallow]

a buncha salt

[gusty mirage]

We need new content stat y’all are wilding out

[hollow river]

Whispyr being upset that we’re playing CT in ST next tier

[oak sky]

we arent

🙂

[gusty mirage]

If we play CT ST I’m rerolling ww monk

[slow marsh]

Make CT baseline, buff PB, change HB to a single target short duration bleed with 1min CD, make old CT slot into aoe twist blades

[gusty mirage]

If I want to do an aoe spell as part of my ST rotation I might as well play a spec that actually does aoe damage

[oak sky]

make ct baseline, make pb proc inside shiv guaranteed

gg

next patch the column 2 dream

2222221

[slow marsh]

Make hidden blades great again

[gusty mirage]

It never was

It was a garbage legendary in legion and it’s garbage now

[slow marsh]

Sure it was

It was good for like 3 weeks in CN for padding on sire

[gusty mirage]

One phase of 1 fight

“Great”

I remember exsang when it was “great” too

[slow marsh]

Well I'm not disagreeing that as is it's trash

It doesn't seem like a hidden blade at all

[gusty mirage]

They should’ve just removed it and replaced it with an actual clown emote

That doesn’t nothing

[oak sky]

bedridden blade?

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

Just dresses you up as a clown when you press it

[hollow river]

Why u hate on your own talents bro

Kinda weird ngl

[gusty mirage]

Because they’re shitty wdym

[hollow river]

Embrace them

They are what makes us great

[gusty mirage]

Yikes

[oak sky]

we have nothing to lose but our chains

[hollow river]

Through the trials and tribulations

[gusty mirage]

Pack it in boys

[oak sky]

seize the means of talent production

[hollow river]

We strive and conquer

[oak sky]

ROGUES OF THE WORLD UNITE

[gusty mirage]

*except outlaw

[slow marsh]

HB should be a passive buff to fok or like I said an extra bleed CD

[gusty mirage]

They can go hang out with fury warriors

[oak sky]

yeah, i said rogues

[hollow river]

[limber swallow]

just keep spinning, spinning, spinning.

[hollow river]

I’ve been practicing my law

Oxi you’d be proud of my key binds now

[gusty mirage]

I’ve always been proud of you

[hollow river]

All shared spells are on the same binds now between the specs

[slow marsh]

Aw

[gusty mirage]

I’ve just been waiting for you to be proud of yourself

[oak sky]

ZAMN

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

do you have backstab or ss on the same bind as mut and sinister strike?

[gusty mirage]

I’m proud of every rogue that comes in here and wants to be better

[gusty mirage]

I do

[oak sky]

i want to be worse

😈

[hollow river]

Yeah debating separate binds for SS and stab tho

[oak sky]

i have separate binds

i just have ss on ambush and backstab on mut

[hollow river]

All my SnD are the same bind between each spec

My Flag’s are the same

Builders and spenders

[oak sky]

all my shit is bound the same

[slow marsh]

Ctrl 1 ?

[hollow river]

MFD

[limber swallow]

backstab and ss are on separate binds.. but I usually bind my builder / finisher the same way across specs

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

Ctr 2?

[gusty mirage]

That’s a weird way to spell shift 4

[oak sky]

e

[hollow river]

4

[slow marsh]

Gross e for snd

[hollow river]

Tilde

[oak sky]

whats gross about e

[slow marsh]

Shouldn't e be a main spender or gen

[hollow river]

I had SnD on 2, 4 and G

[oak sky]

i use e and q for finishers

[hollow river]

Different for all 3 specs

[limber swallow]

I've had SND on 6 since vanilla...

I can't move it...

[oak sky]

i made the binding when we still pressed snd tho

tbf

[hollow river]

I couldn’t make it G for sub and outlaw because you press it more

[slow marsh]

I use 1-4+ ctr 1-4, drft and Ctrl those

[hollow river]

So I unbound Stealth from tilde....

And made snd tilde

[oak sky]

i use a lot of mouse buttons for stuff

[hollow river]

Now stealth is Shift +tilde

[slow marsh]

I'll probs rebind my stuff for 9.2 though depending idk yet

[oak sky]

my stealth bind is egregious

[hollow river]

My shift is on mouse

Shift+e for pistol shot, poison knife, shuriken toss

[oak sky]

alt 1 out here

[slow marsh]

I want to know how and why I ended up using Ctrl instead of shift mods

[hollow river]

E for shiv, ghostly strike, shadow dance

[limber swallow]

like, modifier key on your mouse, IE mouse 4 = shift, mouse 5 = ctrl kinda thing? I do that for healing

[hollow river]

R is for mfd

2 is rupture, rupture, BtE

[oak sky]

q

for me

rupture rupture bte

[slow marsh]

Ayyyy close one mine is Ctrl r. R is for rupture =)

[hollow river]

Yeah

I use as few modifiers as possible

I’m just not great with them yet

[oak sky]

i use shift modifiers a ton

[hollow river]

But shift on mouse helps a lot

[oak sky]

alt a little bit

[limber swallow]

Probably would make things faster.. I use a a ton of shift mods, and like 3 alt mods, but they're for things like distract.

[hollow river]

I have a bad keyboard for modifiers imo

It’s like an in between of office keyboard and gamer board

Because it’s a 100% board

Pondering getting a mini

[carmine dawn]

Insane keyboard mod i saw my friend use

He had on every bar

[oak sky]

black widow elite is pretty big thats what i use at home @hollow river

size matters not

[slow marsh]

I have a hyperx 3/4 or whatever but Im eyeing a mini

[carmine dawn]

Wait I’m butchering this

[oak sky]

im on laptop kb rn

[hollow river]

Mines similar I suppose

[oak sky]

cant wait to be back home

[hollow river]

The keys are just smaller aren’t they

[slow marsh]

That's me during wotlk

[hollow river]

Compared to a ducky

[oak sky]

i mean i play fine on laptop its just bad for my wrist

[slow marsh]

Gamer rogue on laptop

[hollow river]

Ew

Sounds rough

[oak sky]

im probably getting a keyboard thats smaller so i can have it at school

[carmine dawn]

My buddy turned on every action bar so his “next action bar” button was just a bar swap between two. And he bound that to ~. Then actually used the second bar as a whole nother set of abilities.

[slow marsh]

Well back then I just played combat so it was like the same as sin rogue but slower

[oak sky]

then ill be fine to game on my laptop

[slow marsh]

So laptop was fine

[hollow river]

I have a Corsair K70

So it’s a 70% board?

Didn’t even know

[slow marsh]

Yeah that's what I have just a tenkeyless

And hyper x

[oak sky]

im sticking with my black widow elite whenever im at home i just want one that doesnt cram me up probably gonna have a tenkeyless

[hollow river]

I want a 65

[limber swallow]

I use a G815 at home, G915 TKL when I travel

[hollow river]

Or 55 or w.e

[slow marsh]

If I got a mini I would def try the degen jpc binds

[hollow river]

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Customizable-Backlighting-Keyswitches-Hyper-Processing/dp/B08W2CSXLM?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1

yeah

jpc's binds are insane

[oak sky]

just use your own binds

you play best with what makes sense to you

[hollow river]

tru

[oak sky]

jpc uses reckfuls binds doesnt he?

[hollow river]

i've only been playing like just under a year

[slow marsh]

I do use my own binds nerd but I'm always down to try something new cuz you never know it might be better

[hollow river]

but im used to centering everything on 1-2-3

[oak sky]

zx strafe

[hollow river]

i often wonder if moving movement binds would be more optimal

[slow marsh]

I like to change stuff up every now and then cuz imo if you force your brain to adapt often then it can only make you better

[hollow river]

to hit your spells and move at the same time

[oak sky]

i just use wasd for movement

its comfortable

[hollow river]

it can be awkward sometimes

with wasd

[tribal mauve]

Real gamerz click on spellbook to dps

[slow marsh]

S

[oak sky]

backpedal is good sometimes

[limber swallow]

no need for S on a rogue

[oak sky]

dont sleep on it

[slow marsh]

Ad

[oak sky]

painsmith

📈

[hollow river]

bro my guildies said to strafe for painsmith

strafe on painsmith can smd LOL

[oak sky]

too fast

[slow marsh]

I strafe jiggle for painsmith

I only have qwe for movement

[oak sky]

q and e for movement

[hollow river]

i'd use ASD before i used QWE

i think

[slow marsh]

Ye league will make you play qwe fho

[limber swallow]

I use WAD. I couldn't give up Q+E for abilities.

[oak sky]

nope

not me

[hollow river]

a lot of people use S for kick

[oak sky]

shooters make me play wasd, league doesnt move with kb so its very different

[hollow river]

i like kick on my mouse idk

[slow marsh]

I can probs force myself to swap to awd

[oak sky]

nah

play for comfort

[slow marsh]

I've wanted to try using qe for muti envenom for awhile

Idk I don't have any issues with 2/4 tho

[oak sky]

1 2 for me

[hollow river]

1, 3

[slow marsh]

Do you guys play default ui

[oak sky]

yup

[hollow river]

ye

[slow marsh]

Makes sense

[oak sky]

with plater and stuff

[hollow river]

default actionbars

[oak sky]

of course

but no elvui

[hollow river]

with Atrocity's WA HUD

[oak sky]

homebrew WA

[slow marsh]

Yeah I use custom afenar + custom cev plater

[hollow river]

i use an outdated plater

i need to get Cev's prolly

[oak sky]

i use my own plater

made it how i like it

[hollow river]

i'm using an m+ specific profile

shows diff colors for prio kicks on hp bars

[slow marsh]

Cevs has some of that but not a lot

[hollow river]

makes the casting bars bigger if its prio etc

[slow marsh]

Biggest thing is that dots are always in the same slots

So you can quickly tell what needs rupture

Or garret

[hollow river]

i also have the red rogue's progess bar WA's

it's amazing for pandemics

[slow marsh]

I was actually gonna work on my UI+binds+ plater tomorrow so this just makes me want to do it more

[oak sky]

i have the pandemic glow from cev's profile

single best thing you can do to play better imo

[slow marsh]

True

[hollow river]

https://wago.io/k_KNOiJ0U

this is goated

don't even need to look at anything i can see pandemics in my peripheral vision mostly

[slow marsh]

That's what seli uses

[oak sky]

i dont like too much extra shit on my screen

[hollow river]

might try it

[slow marsh]

I wondered what it was

[hollow river]

naw

Seli uses his own shit

but it's very similar

[slow marsh]

I mean the CD bars are that

[hollow river]

he's the only person i've seen use something similar

[slow marsh]

So inspired by at least

[hollow river]

i think Color uses something similar

[slow marsh]

Ive been thinking about trying a more minimalist setup so I'll maybe look into that

[hollow river]

but his WAs are all way off to the left side of screen

[oak sky]

minimalist

yes

[hollow river]

it's not as bad as you'd think

you can also control the size ofc

[slow marsh]

See to me that's just doubling up on stuff and not really necessary

[hollow river]

well it's mostly like

[slow marsh]

Like I'd use one or the other but not both

[hollow river]

i only check the main WAs for CDs

i only check the bars for uptimes

but i don't really have to look at them

[slow marsh]

Just put timers into your main wa and set pandemic glow triggers

[hollow river]

timers are on there

i don't think they glow

my computer doesn't like glowing WAs

[oak sky]

theres a pandemic glow plater mod on wago

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

im sure you could modify it if you wanted to try it though

[hollow river]

yes but anytime something glows

[oak sky]

maybe make it do something other than glow

[slow marsh]

Just put the autocast shine or something then

[hollow river]

my game freeze frames for a split second

i can't stand that

maybe

also just need a better GPU

[slow marsh]

I'm in bed or I'd show my UI screenshot

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

Thoughts?

[oak sky]

what is that

[balmy condor]

My baby

[hollow river]

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

holy

fuck

[oak sky]

incredible

[hollow river]

whispyr, why?

[oak sky]

where can i download

[hollow river]

wtf is that

[balmy condor]

I had a couple of UI ideas that were outside the box

And I was bored on vectis prog

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

So I just made some blursed UI’s

[obtuse robin]

my eyes

[balmy condor]

It’s an art form

Also @slow marsh I see a notification in the bot channel but like bruh

[hollow river]

what was it for

[balmy condor]

Wdym what was it for

[hollow river]

the wa

[oak sky]

iceblades self report

[hollow river]

is that for uptimes and energy and health etc?

[balmy condor]

? It was my combat Ui

Like

[slow marsh]

I took the whole shut the fuck up thing a little too far sorry 😐

[balmy condor]

All the bleeds and energy and health

And uptimes

[slow marsh]

https://imgur.com/a/lAeUr8V

[hollow river]

yeah ok

[balmy condor]

Vendetta vanish cooldowns

Shiv cooldowns

All that

[hollow river]

what in the

[balmy condor]

Each splinter tracked something

[hollow river]

thats just too much lol

[balmy condor]

And everything was tracked

[hollow river]

sounds so unintuitive to use

[slow marsh]

Ignore the action bars on bottom, I do

[hollow river]

crazy man lol

[balmy condor]

Sorry who asked?

I’m kidding

[hollow river]

why u tracking raid CDs

is that what that is on bottom left

[slow marsh]

Cuz I track raid CDs

I don't need to anymore tho

[hollow river]

nah

clutter for no reason tbh

[slow marsh]

In my old guild I was the co raid lead except not

[hollow river]

oh

[slow marsh]

I was in tank chat with the actual raid lead feeding him call outs so he could call out

[hollow river]

wtf

[oak sky]

tank chat?

[hollow river]

yeah /p

[slow marsh]

It was his first time rl and he had to tank at the same time

And I was asleep in most fights so I just offered

[hollow river]

our rl is tank too

[oak sky]

were they calling swaps or something??

[slow marsh]

Yeah they had an in game voice chat just for the two tanks

[hollow river]

oh

weird

[oak sky]

uhhh

[slow marsh]

So they didn't have to call swaps in disc

[oak sky]

ok

i dont think our tanks call swaps

i think they just know when to do it

[hollow river]

yep

[slow marsh]

Well yeah

[oak sky]

and if theres an emergency they say it

[hollow river]

sylv does some jank shit too

tho

[oak sky]

yeah

and they say taunt if some jank shit is happening

[hollow river]

i've heard them make call outs about it to each other

she spell queues jank asf

[slow marsh]

Yeah well tank chat ended up being just make jokes the whole time to keep sanity + make raid cd call outs

[hollow river]

oh we just do that in the open chat

[slow marsh]

Yeah but you see

[oak sky]

i make jokes in double disc

[hollow river]

and everyone knows when to shut up

[oak sky]

[slow marsh]

I wasn't allowed to make call outs in disc

[hollow river]

oh

thats cringe

[slow marsh]

Yes

[hollow river]

but understandable

less clutter in voice the better, when it matters

like in p3 no one talks unless they have to

[oak sky]

i mean theres always times you sorta have to

[slow marsh]

I was too new so a few officers had their panties in a bunch whenever I would call stuff out

[hollow river]

but we're all so sick of p1 and p2

[oak sky]

one time in prog i called double soak

[hollow river]

we just bullshit around

[oak sky]

yeah we started calling rives

[hollow river]

yep

[slow marsh]

So we just made it to where I pretty much shadow raid lead through the puppet rl

[hollow river]

we have a hunter

he's insane player

he just repeats in p1.5

"aaaand we're dodging"

"we're living"

"we're a well oiled machine"

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

Fun times not gonna miss them

I sometimes miss the jokes though

[oak sky]

closest thing ive done to raid leading is explaining downstairs kt to people that get swapped in

and I'm grateful

[slow marsh]

It's a whole other ball game

Having to track everything while still playing your class

Makes sense why some of the best are hunters

[hollow river]

yeah BM is prolly the best RL spec

[oak sky]

it doesnt really matter what you play that much

you just need to be comfortable

[hollow river]

well BM is ultra comfy

[oak sky]

rather have a first time bm or someone with 1k hours on ww monk?

[slow marsh]

Well yeah and it's easy to be comfortable looking at everything while taking 2 seconds to cast aimed shots

I'd argue MM is easier to RL from or another caster

[hollow river]

i have 1400 hours on rogue already

wow

[slow marsh]

Being able to peek around during casts without losing anything

[oak sky]

yeah 1k was a little low

maybe like 10k

doesnt matter

same point

[hollow river]

yeah i agree

you just made me curious of my /played lol

[oak sky]

anyone with a high level of comfort on their class can be a good raid lead

or a good player while being a good raid lead

[slow marsh]

Yeah no arguments it's all about the comfort for most guilds

[hollow river]

still feel like 21st man is a whole nother level

[oak sky]

say what you will but you never saw max RL as ranged

[hollow river]

having to worry about nothing else

[slow marsh]

I 21st manned a couple times and let me tell you

It's poggers

[oak sky]

that guy used to tank and he plays melee now

and hes one of the best raid leaders out there

[hollow river]

yeah but he don't RL in the raid until farm

[oak sky]

raid leading is raid leading

he helped out that guild last tier

from inside

[hollow river]

true

[slow marsh]

He's the reverse tho he's more comfortable raid leading than playing the game by now

Not a great example but I get the point you're trying to make

[oak sky]

i would bet that him raid leading as a melee is pretty close to him being outside the raid but not quite the same

whereas him as ranged would be significantly worse

if he doesnt play it

[slow marsh]

True but when he's playing melee and raid leading is he ever doing any significant damage?

[hollow river]

um

yes

[oak sky]

i would hope its at least significant

[hollow river]

he didn't this tier because he didn't care about farming bullshit systems

[slow marsh]

I'm not saying he's bad

[hollow river]

last tier he did insane damage on his ww while helping Slighty Tilted

[oak sky]

wasnt he doing 99s consistent

[hollow river]

ye

[slow marsh]

Well yeah at that point you know things like the back of your hand that the RL aspect is more comfortable than playing the class

Is what I mean

All in all it doesn't really matter cuz nobody is Max and most RL are ranged DPS or tank these days

Not to say you can't RL as melee or healer or whatever

[oak sky]

its more important to be a good raid lead than to be playing a certain role

my raid lead plays hpal

[hollow river]

there are some good melee RLs

[slow marsh]

I agree you sacrifice one slot to make everyone else's job as easy as you can

[hollow river]

but there's def more tanks and ranged

at least from my personal experience

[slow marsh]

There's a certain rogue in here on proudmoore that RLs

[oak sky]

max made a video about it

[slow marsh]

Ye I watched em all 😅

[oak sky]

he was saying that you notice mechanics you have to do more based on the role you play

so like a melee will probably notice all the movement mechs, tanks might miss stuff because they mostly do tank mechanics

things like that

so it really shouldnt matter a crazy amount what you play since you miss things no matter what

[slow marsh]

Yeah it's more important to be a good RL and a big part of that is just feeling comfy in the slot that you're taking up

[oak sky]

exactly

thats all im saying

[slow marsh]

Since no matter what that slot would be better used for someone who's giving their full attention to the fight

[hollow river]

ye i think we all agree

also healer RL is watching what makes your raid take the most dmg

so like they're the best to know if someone NEEDS bubble, sac, etc

[slow marsh]

I like healer RL personally but I dont see it often

[hollow river]

same

[slow marsh]

Calling raid CDs doesn't necessarily have to be the RL job either so it's flexible

[oak sky]

thats the more important takeaway

spreading responsibility will let your RL play their class better

[hollow river]

ye we try to do that some

[slow marsh]

Yeah I mean that's just leadership 101

[marble hemlock]

you usually have a pre-set ERT for that

with healers using a weakaura or addon that pops on their screen

based on the fight-timer

to use CDs exactly as needed every fight

[limber lion]

Yeh it's very braindead nowadays.

Pretty cool though ngl

[marble hemlock]

yeah

basically, theres spreadsheets for it where you just set the CDs like you want them, and then itll automatically create a copy-pasteable ERT setup so you can use teh weakaura to have everything be automated based on boss-timers or fight timers

[limber lion]

Yup

[marble hemlock]

you typically try to minimize the amount of callouts that need to happen during raid for that kinda stuff

so the coms are clear for other stuff that might be changing from one pull to another

[hollow river]

Oh I didn’t know there was an add on that makes the ERT noted things pop up for them

[marble hemlock]

yup

[hollow river]

I knew ERT like scrolled through all of the call outs

That’s pretty cool

[marble hemlock]

yeah, its super nice cause that way you know each healer gets exactly the information they need to not forget their CDs

[hollow river]

Right right

[marble hemlock]

and the spreadsheet to set it up is easy to use as well

[hollow river]

I’ve pondered making WAs for specific fight timers or something

Just to help learn optimal CD usage

Can be hectic desyncing flag and Vend in p3 sylv trying to squeeze the extra flag cast for example

Especially if you’re using on both boss burns in p2

[marble hemlock]

you could probably do smth similar just for yourself, yeah

most bosses are dynamic, so the trigger will be time-based but adjust if you phase a boss sooner than planned

but as a DPS im not sure its needed

as you usually have enough time to pay attention to your CDs, its your main job. healer CDs can easily be missed between boss mechanics and having to actually heal

warriors in particular tend to forget to rally :p

[hollow river]

Yeah it’s more just something I’ve thought about as a little help

I know if I don’t use by “x” timing then I’m stuck syncing all casts in p3

That’s why I tend to yolo my flag as soon as we get to 2nd boss burn before veil

[uncut flax]

Not sure if it worth it unless you kill boss in ~13min. Because you can get 4 flags p3

[limber lion]

You're saying the same thing

He wants to use Flag without losing casts, but he doesn't want to use Flag before stuff like Veil or it's wasted.

Using Flag and the boss disappearing for 5s ain't great

[thorny pond]

Being efficient > firing and forgetting

[strange python]

How is the necrolord spike leggo one doing actually?

It is fun imo. Having so many spikes on targets

[limber lion]

Not great.

It's essentially non-existant on ST, which means that it's pretty much a dead covenant in terms of raiding the second 9.2 gets released.

Probably still completely fine for M+ though.

Who knows what sort of whacky combinations people come up with for m+.

[strange python]

The venthyr ability is so juicy for st....but boring.

[limber lion]

Agreed.

Last major patch of Shadowlands, pretty much spent most of the lifespan of it as a Venthyr. Kinda boring

[strange python]

I love the spike with the green light and the idea of making them spread with leggo. It crawl deep into their flesh and hurts like shit...I want to be sadistic and make ppl suffer as sin rogue.

[limber lion]

That you will do if you play Assassination in m+.

People definitely suffer.

[strange python]

Hmm I ended up with 10k-11k overall multiple times. Its really not that bad. Aoe is just nothing compared to big dick aoe classes.

[thorny pond]

It can definitely be done but Cev's point as well as many others is it just doesn't play to the spec's strengths

[strange python]

Haha isnt that a thing in general? Had a frost mage in 21 PF doing 6,7k dps overall....

Still timed kekw

[thorny pond]

I mean, there will always be bad players

And being suboptimal =/= bad

It is a game after all, do what you enjoy

[strange python]

Exactly.

[thorny pond]

Looping back around... Like Cev said, it doesn't help at all in ST and often times that's our bread and butter in M+ and where we can shine the most

[viscid spear]

[spare python]

can you get kt loot from vault when you are 9/10M and killed only first 3 this week ?

[slim wagon]

yes, once you have killed the boss once it's always in the vault options

[spare python]

ok thx

[strange python]

I guess I never realized on Fatescribe - but we can just cloak the bombs off right - there's no negative associated with that?

[sinful cradle]

Yes you can cloak them

[strange python]

jeez

I got in a hairy spot last night with one and cloaked - and it cleared it - and then it hit me.

[sinful cradle]

But dont confuse them with the nine "bombs"

Did it once, was fun

[strange python]

what nine bombs, the frags?

or the purple things

i been cloaking thoes frags off since day one haha

[sinful cradle]

Purplr big circles

[strange python]

oh yeah

you know how many openers i got trashed cause of fate's bombs

i felt so stupid when i realized

[sinful cradle]

Just yell pop defensives then cloak it

[strange python]

We got to p2 like maybe 8-9 times - so we're getting there.

I dunno which is worse, him or pain though

[clever kindle]

Pretty sure it still pops the bombs though so you want to run it out. not positive on that but I didnt want to test it

so it does let you get back faster

[hollow river]

Same

Cloaked one off and all our healers were like “woahhh wrong kinda bomb dood”

[alpine latch]

Man, finding a guild that's still clearing Mythic while progressing is so difficult.

Even for Painsmith, most people are extending

[hollow river]

Yeah I mean at this point in the patch you kind of have to if you want to push for CE

[alpine latch]

ya

[sonic schooner]

Just cloak any single mecanics on raid fk that

[hollow river]

Everyone else in their group that’s been there the whole time should be plenty geared for ce

[sonic schooner]

[alpine latch]

I just want to kill bosses. Progression is fun but I'm pretty capped on gear at this point.

I think I can gain 40 dps from my BiS GV option

[hollow river]

I’m in the same boat buddy

[alpine latch]

I need Mythic bosses to get any real gain

[hollow river]

Been progging sylv for well over a month

We extended after Painsmith

[alpine latch]

Ah, dang

I've killed Tarragrue, Ner'zhul, and have Painsmith prog. That's it

[hollow river]

We did 1 reclear Thanksgiving week

[sonic schooner]

We re about to clear kelthuzad and asking ourselves if we go to sylv or do a reclear. We have so many new guildmates 3/10 or so who needs gear

😫

[hollow river]

Got 2 pieces and my GV gave me the same wrists I already have

[alpine latch]

Yeah, that's where I am... I have a guild that keeps asking me to come to prog, but like, I need gear.

[hollow river]

Damn that’s rough

[alpine latch]

And somehow I, with the least amount of pulls on Painsmith, am one of the only ones not dying

[hollow river]

Do they have all 252/246 from m+?

[sonic schooner]

Our guild almost died after the nine

[hollow river]

You really only need 244-246 realistically

[sonic schooner]

We server transfer and stuff

[hollow river]

But every bit counts if everyone isn’t playing optimally

[sonic schooner]

Yea they have still at least 246 average ilvl

[hollow river]

That’s not so bad

[sonic schooner]

But like we have a lock with no dom gem set

[hollow river]

We’ve got avg 249 I think

That’s Bad

He can do heroic for that

[alpine latch]

wut. You can get that in Normal...

shit you get them in LFR

[sonic schooner]

Yea if I understood well this guy's just did 2/10 then take take a break of the game and game back a week or 2 ago

[hollow river]

Don’t think having a single person without rank 5 shard set in late mythic prog is a good idea

[sonic schooner]

Can't blame him

He s still pumping tbh, so I'm fine with him

[alpine latch]

Did he quit the 3rd week of the tier?

[sonic schooner]

Guess so

🤷‍♂️

Still 2700 Rio so I'm a bit confused about his situation

[hollow river]

Doesn’t make sense

If he quit for so long I mean

[sonic schooner]

Yea I agree bur whatever

The worst part about our guild is that we don't have a single druid please xD no boomie no rdrood not even a cat or a bear

Kelthuzad without boomie is painful and I can't imagine sylvanas without multiple of them aoeing down in p1

[thorn fjord]

266 pulls in to mythic sylv

and it sucks

My guild is special

[strange python]

oh wow 266...that's what i have to look forward to.

[thorn fjord]

the average is 175-250 LOL

[strange python]

what is avg for pain - i think we did 168

and we're at 80 on fate so

i think guardian was like 12 lol

[thorn fjord]

painsmith took us 218

Guardian 37

102 for Fatescribe

[strange python]

good to hear

[thorn fjord]

We're barely seeing P3 though

people keep dying to dumb shit at the end of p1

[strange python]

yeah we haven't seen it yet

[sonic schooner]

we did arround the same, 250 raznal, 11 guardian, 120 fatescribe

2 p3 only on fate

[strange python]

I've never gotten CE - and i don't think any of us have (maybe like 3-5 i dunno)

so I dunno, it'd be nice.

[thorn fjord]

We got CE at the end of BFA

But missed it for Nathria =/

[sonic schooner]

Got our Sire kill 2 weeks before end of the tier

[strange python]

I'm not sure we even started out looking for it honestly, but we stuck together, strongest guild i've ever been in honestly as far as retention and friendliness, and taking constructive criticism goes.

there's no like "guild leader's wife" hanging around or anything -- if you know what i mean

[thorn fjord]

What server?

[strange python]

a52

[thorn fjord]

Ah

Thats a competitive server

[alpine latch]

Is she hot?

I definitely don't miss the drama-filled bullshit from early WoW

There was always someone and their bf/gf who were in the guild and then when they broke up (which they always did), you found out that one of them had something on the side with someone else in the guild

I'm just here to stab stuff, IDC about your guys drama

[thorn fjord]

No thx

[sonic schooner]

Oh dude my best drama guild is the son of the GM not liking me because i was "too competitiv and egoistic"

[strange python]

Re-read - there is no "guild leader's wife" hanging around

That's like a positive thing

haha

[uneven hamlet]

dude, our first kill was with 400.

wasan't even 400, was 417+

[rancid bloom]

There are verity of leggos in this class, but I assume since I wanna m+ sub and raid assa I go for the venthyr leggo? Or I have to craft 2 btw im poor

[gusty mirage]

Obedience is fine for both if you’re really strapped for gold

It’s bis for m+ sub, and good enough for assa raid

And it’s the play for venthyr sub in raid if you choose to raid as sub

[rancid bloom]

I like assa more tbh but it’s not as good as sub in m+

Despite that I wanna do both

And what’s the best leggo for assa in raid?

[gusty mirage]

Dashing scoundrel

But obedience is good for raid too

[alpine latch]

I know, I was joking.

[rancid bloom]

Doomblade sound really good on paper

[gusty mirage]

Doomblade was the play last tier, dashing wins now because of the frost shard set

Next tier it’ll change as well

[rancid bloom]

Like u do always mutilate and ur poisons always apply, with 5 poisons the envenom it’s 25% inc dmg

Ahaa

[limber lion]

[rancid bloom]

I’ll go with venthyr for now i guess

[alpine latch]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if covenant changes at all next tier as well

I need to start prepping the others. I only have Kyrian to 80 outside of Venth

[limber lion]

Don't worry

We'll be playing Venthyr

[alpine latch]

You think so?

[glass tulip]

It is definitely still recommended to get all of them to 80, it takes 0 effort

go do world bosses and cov dailies as off covenants and you'll be there in no time

[alpine latch]

I saw that it was Venth/Duskwalkers

[limber lion]

I disagree.

[hollow escarp]

if you look at the legendary combination alone, venthyr looks the most safe option

[alpine latch]

Which tbh, I didn't even know that Duskwalkers was a thing. I don't remember ever seeing that...

[glass tulip]

On recommendation or on no effort

[limber lion]

If you want to get them to 80, go ahead

But I do not think that it's necessary whatsoever

You're safe only having Venthyr at 80 and everything else at 1.

[glass tulip]

I mean, I see being able to swap freely with no drawbacks as a good option just in case

saves you a stressful grind later if so

[limber lion]

But if it's 0 effort, why would it be stressful later on?

[glass tulip]

0 effort now with no time table

stressful when 1 randomly is buffed and you have 2 days to do so

[limber lion]

But I mean yeah, if you have nothing to do and still actively want to play WoW, then there's no harm in playing a different covenant for now

If you're still actively doing weeklies, wb's, torghast etc.

then go ahead :P

[glass tulip]

gotta waste my $15/month somehow :P

[alpine latch]

I haven't paid for a subscription since WoD

[limber lion]

nice flex

[alpine latch]

If I was still paying money for WoW I'd have quit years ago

[limber lion]

[glass tulip]

if there was a mildly efficient to farm gold outside of boosting I'd be there

but it seems like you can farm legacy transmogs or gtfo

[limber lion]

Playing the auction house is a good choice

It makes immensely more money than boosting

[alpine latch]

While it doesn't work right now - in the first 3 months of Shadowlands I made almost 9m gold just selling the Wormhole Generators

[limber lion]

If you're good at it