#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 4546

oak sky Dec 3, 2021, 9:05 PM

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But it increases like all the damage in our kit

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Ye we obvi need some amounts of haste

oak sky Dec 3, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Only thing crit doesnt help is envenom

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Everything else is periodic, applied by autos, or autos

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 9:06 PM

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But if we end up full sneding vendetta every 45 seconds and are only outside of vend for 25 sec then you never know

oak sky Dec 3, 2021, 9:06 PM

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I meant haste

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Ik fried

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Idk i didnt feel perpetually energy overcapped with the gear setup i had

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But that could decrease the value of haste some for sure

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I just have doubts that its enough for us to not want a lot of it

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 9:11 PM

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Yeah idk i'm kind of the opposite. We have so many things supplementing / boosting haste for us that I don't see it being much of an issue

spark scaffold Dec 3, 2021, 9:15 PM

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Doesn't crit also give you energy in the end anyway

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Especially during vendetta

alpine latch Dec 3, 2021, 9:15 PM

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Yeah but unfortunately we don't stack crit /s

limber lion Dec 3, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Haste good, yes yes

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 9:26 PM

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spark scaffold Doesn't crit also give you energy in the end anyway

crit only gives pseudo energy by making muti more energy efficient with seal fate

spark scaffold Dec 3, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Yea

normal slate Dec 3, 2021, 9:47 PM

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Is there a BiS gear list for Assassin dungeon? Wanna have fun on mythic plus Realm

oak sky Dec 3, 2021, 9:47 PM

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Not a real bis list no, but you can just get all the dom gear with crit and kinda fill in from there

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You could be testing as sin anywau

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Anyway

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logs

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 9:51 PM

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all 3 tier sets feel awful to play with

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tbf

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also hipo I tried being your rogue friend but no bueno sad

oak sky Dec 3, 2021, 9:52 PM

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What happen

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 9:52 PM

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I apped for polaris kekg

oak sky Dec 3, 2021, 9:52 PM

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O

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 9:52 PM

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You miss every shot you don't take - Abraham Lincoln

oak sky Dec 3, 2021, 9:52 PM

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True

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Maybe its my turn @gusty mirage

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 9:55 PM

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refreshing bleeds inside of vendetta feels so bad

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tbh

oak sky Dec 3, 2021, 9:55 PM

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😈

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 9:55 PM

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ye

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seli and I were talking about it earlier

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it's kinda annoying to have a tier set built around a builder

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well hold your beer

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cause its about to get worse

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shadowstrikes for days

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there's a clip of jpc running around where he eviscerates 4 times in a row

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time to level kyrian I guess

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be flexible to multi spec and all those shenanigans

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:00 PM

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oak sky You could be testing as sin anywau

It feels so bad lol

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:00 PM

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gusty mirage there's a clip of jpc running around where he eviscerates 4 times in a row

you can legit get 8 evis in a row

limber lion Dec 3, 2021, 10:05 PM

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gusty mirage there's a clip of jpc running around where he eviscerates 4 times in a row

He did get like 9 eviscerates in a row as well

kind talon Dec 3, 2021, 10:05 PM

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i thought it was 13

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 10:05 PM

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limber lion He did get like 9 eviscerates in a row as well

we're abandoning assa aren't we

kind talon Dec 3, 2021, 10:05 PM

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but yeah idk shits nuts bro

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free shadowstrike that gives cp and procs weaponmaster :)

hollow river Dec 3, 2021, 10:07 PM

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How’s raid testing going

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Are there a decent amount of pugs

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:08 PM

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gusty mirage we're abandoning assa aren't we

na we should be ok

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some of the other specs are dummy thicc tho

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demo is bonkers

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fire should be good but idk thes mages in my group don't seem good

strange python Dec 3, 2021, 10:10 PM

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prob play bit less haste next content

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overcaping energy during burst whole time its digusting

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:25 PM

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2nd leggo is just as good for sub i think with as many evis as they're getting out for free

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but yeah overall looking ok for now

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it wont have the impact that adding dusk will for us

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but it's still a lot of damage

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oh for sure i'm messing with both

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if it stays this close i'll be sin ofc

hollow river Dec 3, 2021, 10:27 PM

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How long is testing

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:27 PM

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30 more mins but i'm done

hollow river Dec 3, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Damn looks like I’m gonna miss out

cerulean nest Dec 3, 2021, 10:28 PM

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TLDR on ptr? what's the vibe brothers

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:28 PM

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sub good

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sin bad

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:28 PM

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lel

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ye

cerulean nest Dec 3, 2021, 10:28 PM

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damn

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:28 PM

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sin will most likely be fine once change happens

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and i'm hoping they dont nerf sub

cerulean nest Dec 3, 2021, 10:29 PM

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seems criticism has been loud and clear

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:29 PM

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it seems a lot better than it is idk

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like the sub tier is the only good set so it's getting a lot more attention but i think it's tuned just fine

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:29 PM

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liking and doing damage are 2 different things

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idk what they're doing but they're definitely stronger

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I guess we'll see in march

uneven hamlet Dec 3, 2021, 10:42 PM

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the 4pc set gave me a good impression on raid, until I saw what actually gave me the good impression is a bug that they will prob fix where u just redot rupt and gar in vend window peepo

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:43 PM

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it's currently considered a bug

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did you like it though

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I thought the gameplay was a little weird

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having to up them at the end of vend

uneven hamlet Dec 3, 2021, 10:43 PM

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it felt strange but good

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in the end the dots actually did damage

kind talon Dec 3, 2021, 10:43 PM

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im a fan of a tier set that changes your gameplay pattern / rotation

uneven hamlet Dec 3, 2021, 10:43 PM

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but they don't usually do, so strange

uneven hamlet Dec 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

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uneven hamlet in the end the dots actually did damage

but they did damage cause of the bug, so 100% baited

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 10:44 PM

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well I'm sure the 2pc had a bit to do with that as well

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Any insights if they plan on fixing the snapshotting? @balmy condor

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:46 PM

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I still think it's just coded as a static buff to bleeds inside of vend and not a dynamic thingy which is obvious but yeah

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I like it a bit for reverse reasons

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Like I like the idea of just slamming vend instead of planning everything around it

hollow river Dec 3, 2021, 10:48 PM

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balmy condor having to up them at the end of vend

I enjoyed it

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Adds a little minmax to the rotation

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:48 PM

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gusty mirage Any insights if they plan on fixing the snapshotting? <@!167090536602140682>

the idea atm is to fix it

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 10:49 PM

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interesting

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I'll wait before freaking out and just level my kyrian renown

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because tf else am I going to do until march

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:49 PM

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level your NF too 😎

cerulean nest Dec 3, 2021, 10:50 PM

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leveling up kyrrian without the kyrian leggo blows

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:50 PM

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cuz it's too good or what?

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:50 PM

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the question is do we like it because its more energy and more damage or do we like it cause the gameplay of hitting rupture at the end of vend is good

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:51 PM

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I could understand that

cerulean nest Dec 3, 2021, 10:51 PM

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imagine having to rely on ping to effectively play your class

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:52 PM

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The only downside to the sub 4p imo is that it maybe makes kyrian slightly worse vs venth just because of how much cp you generate

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 10:52 PM

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I kinda liked playing sin tonight

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but yeah fixing the set is going to hit hard

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I want to test with a double leggo

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:53 PM

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idc about testing with double leggo as much as i wnat to know at what point during prog we will get it

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 10:54 PM

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slow marsh idc about testing with double leggo as much as i wnat to know at what point duri...

true

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I kinda hope it's like Mythic week or sth

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it's often the case for this kind of system

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:54 PM

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cuz i might unironically just play necro until the double leggo

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:54 PM

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every 45 seconds?

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howd you get that

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no shot

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 10:55 PM

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slow marsh cuz i might unironically just play necro until the double leggo

Could be something

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 10:55 PM

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slow marsh level your NF too 😎

I'd rather play in traffic

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:55 PM

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balmy condor no shot

someone not doing their ptr testing

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:55 PM

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I have done by testing

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:55 PM

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oh wait you can't even load into it lmao get fkd

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:55 PM

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45 seconds is not possible

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 10:55 PM

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45 seconds kinda hard

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:55 PM

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not kinda hard

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impossible

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 10:55 PM

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1 minute-ish

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:55 PM

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I'm telling you right now, you cannot get vendetta that low

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 10:56 PM

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is the best

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 10:56 PM

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aPES_LaptopPopcorn

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me watching people doubt whispyr's huge brain

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:56 PM

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no

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you could have 500% haste

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you are not getting vend up that fast

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last I checked, you can barely get under 60 seconds

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like 54ish

cerulean nest Dec 3, 2021, 10:57 PM

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slay queen

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:57 PM

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if you're just raw energy capped

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 10:57 PM

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I could consistently get to around 1min cd reduction

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but never more than 1 minute 5

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Kinda weird that i just did it

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idk

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 10:59 PM

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iron orchid I could consistently get to around 1min cd reduction

CH_PepeWave hi dei

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 10:59 PM

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gusty mirage <a:CH_PepeWave:703847733949104128> hi dei

hoy

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happybear

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 10:59 PM

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maybe not exactly 45 but 50 sorry

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doesn't matter since we hold for flag anyways

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 10:59 PM

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on live atm you spend around 900 energy in a minute from pull to 1 min

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with dashing energy

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that's 30 seconds on duskwalkers

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to get it to 50, you would need to reduce 70 seconds, which is the same as spending 2100 energy

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:01 PM

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50 sec

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:01 PM

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that's 2:30 minutes worth of energy on live atm

charred wraith Dec 3, 2021, 11:01 PM

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balmy condor to get it to 50, you would need to reduce 70 seconds, which is the same as spend...

just spend it lol

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Are you not accounting for the massive energy gains from VM during vendetta or what cuz we are both getting very similar results

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:02 PM

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well either something is bugged or you guys are generating a ton of energy from somewhere

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:02 PM

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yeah

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4p tier

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OMEGAKEKW

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:02 PM

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I mean

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are you energy capped?

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for the entire 45ish seconds

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:03 PM

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yeah trying to spend as fast as i can

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i was talking earlier about how to solve the issue of dealing with capping during vend

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:03 PM

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in order to hit 50 seconds, you need to spend 42 energy a second

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on average

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mut is 50

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so

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it sounds very very rough

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:03 PM

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good thing we have a generator that costs 50 and a finsisher that's 35

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like i could stream it for you if you'd like

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:04 PM

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and shiv that 20

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I know the math

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I'm asking are you energy capped the whole time

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:04 PM

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and double garrotes

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:05 PM

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jesus

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:05 PM

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same

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 11:05 PM

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but

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ARE YOU ENERGY CAPPED ?

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:05 PM

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im sorry whisp i'm not trying to upset you

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 11:05 PM

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whispyrhmm

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:05 PM

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well I guess with the bug you're getting like another 10 seconds right

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that's basically a 50% buff

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 11:05 PM

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balmy condor well I guess with the bug you're getting like another 10 seconds right

kindof

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:05 PM

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kekW

dawn ivy Dec 3, 2021, 11:06 PM

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im hoping that stays

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its kinda fun

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a little weird

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 11:07 PM

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I played subterfuge and MfD all night too, idk about it

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but it felt ok

errant swallow Dec 3, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Just got home from work, any tl;Dr version of PTR about sin/sub

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:07 PM

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yeah sub good

dawn ivy Dec 3, 2021, 11:07 PM

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sub good

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sin bad

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:07 PM

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sin bad

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wait for changes on sin cuz it might be fine

errant swallow Dec 3, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Awesome, thanks

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Is raid ST oriented?

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:08 PM

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idk seems like a lot of cleave

dawn ivy Dec 3, 2021, 11:08 PM

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so far

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 11:08 PM

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slow marsh idk seems like a lot of cleave

yup

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:08 PM

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1st boss of testing had adds that came out one by one and sub gets so many free evis even off of just 1 add

iron orchid Dec 3, 2021, 11:08 PM

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2 ST bosses today, but many multi-target according to codex

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yup

glass tulip Dec 3, 2021, 11:09 PM

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tfw when you get a PI on Ingra Maloch pepeLaugh

errant swallow Dec 3, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Wtf

glass tulip Dec 3, 2021, 11:09 PM

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+15 keys and one phasing boss = damage stonks

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:11 PM

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30 seconds of exsang'd dots actually comes close to the energy needed

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that's fucking crazy

soft shale Dec 3, 2021, 11:12 PM

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time to play toxic onslaugh for the extra energy cap from ar

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 11:12 PM

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soft shale time to play toxic onslaugh for the extra energy cap from ar

https://tenor.com/view/random-get-away-leave-me-alone-get-outta-here-gif-17872308

Tenor

soft shale Dec 3, 2021, 11:12 PM

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or you can enjoy the 7cp ruptures with kyrian kek

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Yeah idk

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It literally just depends on what they change with 2p

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:14 PM

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I mean if it's already strong

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then its probably just buff and go

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:14 PM

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I wouldn't say it's strong

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It's better than dog water

glass tulip Dec 3, 2021, 11:15 PM

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lol

soft shale Dec 3, 2021, 11:15 PM

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interesting

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:15 PM

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wow highlight youtube

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Cringe

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:15 PM

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But it's all in the 4p the 2p still does next to nothing

soft shale Dec 3, 2021, 11:15 PM

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does he have his mouth open

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really important

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:15 PM

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glass tulip lol

JPC had 8 evis in a row in a random key

glass tulip Dec 3, 2021, 11:15 PM

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soft shale does he have his mouth open

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yes

soft shale Dec 3, 2021, 11:16 PM

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i knew it

upbeat needle Dec 3, 2021, 11:16 PM

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sin feels so dooky

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Raid tested

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very low damage

soft shale Dec 3, 2021, 11:16 PM

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tbh its not like sub felt great with all the lag

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:16 PM

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I wouldn't say very low

toxic quail Dec 3, 2021, 11:16 PM

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it did okay dmg for me

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:16 PM

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If it's very low you're doing it wrong

toxic quail Dec 3, 2021, 11:16 PM

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running the vendetta lego

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:17 PM

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that's ridiculous

upbeat needle Dec 3, 2021, 11:17 PM

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ahh I tested with obedience

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it was just like

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:17 PM

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I was in the mix and only slightly behind a sub rogue and I was playing with obedience

upbeat needle Dec 3, 2021, 11:17 PM

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not very low in terms of number but in comparison to the other specs

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yeah other sub rogue wasn't far ahead

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I'ma blame the lag

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:17 PM

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that's almost 2x the energy as right now

upbeat needle Dec 3, 2021, 11:17 PM

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because that shit was L A G G Y

dawn ivy Dec 3, 2021, 11:18 PM

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copium please be good

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:18 PM

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balmy condor that's almost 2x the energy as right now

Yeah I was saying earlier I'm starting to eye the crit mastery tech idk

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:18 PM

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yeh

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makes sense

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:18 PM

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But sin doesn't feel as hopeless as it did

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The 4p is hard carrying

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:18 PM

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yeh the bug helps a lot

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:18 PM

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Just for the energy gains not even the dmg

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Idk 2p change hopium

dawn ivy Dec 3, 2021, 11:20 PM

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when did it get flaggfed as a bug? was it by blizz or we just assume thats unintended

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:20 PM

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It's confirmed bug

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 11:20 PM

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dawn ivy when did it get flaggfed as a bug? was it by blizz or we just assume thats unint...

it was confirmed to be unintended

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:20 PM

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Whether they change it or not is unknown I think

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 11:20 PM

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Papa whispyr has given us all information

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and no one reads it

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hmm

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:21 PM

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Ye

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Guys come on

dawn ivy Dec 3, 2021, 11:21 PM

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pepehands i was just getting clarification

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no bulli

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 11:22 PM

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dawn ivy <:pepehands:757566347558387803> i was just getting clarification

sorry parsely ily

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:22 PM

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I'm kidding brother

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 11:22 PM

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wow

dawn ivy Dec 3, 2021, 11:22 PM

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/CRY

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:22 PM

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Please teach me how to get in high ranked guild

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 11:22 PM

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I butchered your name too

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PES_Cry

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 11:22 PM

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slow marsh Please teach me how to get in high ranked guild

just be better

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idk

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don't parse a 3 on mythic fatescribe like I did

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kekg

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Sorry Dad I wasn't talking to you

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I was talking to Mr flashpoint

gusty mirage Dec 3, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Wow

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I'm going to get milk and never coming back

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lmk when you win the lottery

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:24 PM

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pepehands

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:26 PM

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What

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insane

soft shale Dec 3, 2021, 11:26 PM

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well it may be like the poisoned knife vanish dashing bug in antorus

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that one was kekw

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but dont worry rogue is finehttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/916466412917227590/unknown-124.png

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did anyone order an extra dps that can heal

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Yeah the bug thing kinda worries me tbh I hope they don't balance around us with bug then remove it. They wouldn't do that right?

soft shale Dec 3, 2021, 11:29 PM

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well

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get some whisky

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you'll need it

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:30 PM

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I'm more of a rum guy

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full sending ?

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or holding

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I'm starting to think maybe venth isn't as guaranteed as we thought if we are able to full send vendetta's idk

kind talon Dec 3, 2021, 11:35 PM

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slow marsh I'm starting to think maybe venth isn't as guaranteed as we thought if we are ab...

bro

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u will get obedience

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dont even worry

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:36 PM

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but we wouldn't necessarily be getting flags inside of vend

dawn ivy Dec 3, 2021, 11:36 PM

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if we're dropping this much haste due to 4pc, we will still want venthyr

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:36 PM

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it would desync

kind talon Dec 3, 2021, 11:36 PM

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slow marsh but we wouldn't necessarily be getting flags inside of vend

i mean you would hold

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:36 PM

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true i'm not jumping ship yet

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just got me thinking is all

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i still called obed dusk day 1 when they announced double leggo so i'm still in it to win it

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yeah we will hold it for flag still

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the thing is that energy gen doesn't directly correlate to cp

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flag was pure cp doesn't super care about energy

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esp if we're overcapping so much

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I think it's confirmed it's happening it's just in the air still as to what they are going to implement

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:40 PM

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What’s the breakdown looking like

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:42 PM

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demo> everything

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fire mages once they figure out how it works are giga too

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demo lock in new guild was doing 14k sustained while everyone else struggled to keep 10k

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i'll have to check vods for higher level players cuz the peeps in our pug were dogshit

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outside of like the top 3

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:48 PM

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Damage

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:49 PM

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I can tell you one thing for sure

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exsang is not the play

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with exsang

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:50 PM

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kekW

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I’m glad I at least got that right

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:50 PM

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this was with subt

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:50 PM

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Overflowing with energy for half the fight was not expected though

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:51 PM

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this is obvi wipe and over 4:30

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annie was popping to 12-14k every minute with cds

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another cringe tier of demo locks feeling entitled to every single PI

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nadj

cobalt pelican Dec 3, 2021, 11:54 PM

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dead spec lol wtf

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:55 PM

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hmmmnodder

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That’s good

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:55 PM

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it would've been better with theo but i have theo set for sub and i'm tired of swapping back and forth

balmy condor Dec 3, 2021, 11:55 PM

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Duskwalkers secret sauce

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:55 PM

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That's with obed

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not even dusk

cobalt pelican Dec 3, 2021, 11:55 PM

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1 bufe pls

slow marsh Dec 3, 2021, 11:56 PM

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id idn't have monk or shout besad

nocturne geode Dec 4, 2021, 12:03 AM

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:) heck yea

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 12:05 AM

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k uhhhh

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i'm scared

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WTB raid testing again

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yeah

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 12:07 AM

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slow marsh

Please tell me my meme sauce isn’t real

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 12:07 AM

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it might be

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 12:07 AM

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You just spam CT during vend instead of envenom?

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rooSuffer1

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 12:07 AM

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you alternate

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with mfd

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 12:07 AM

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As your dump

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Ahhh it at least has alternating times

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 12:08 AM

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that's also with MA cuz idk i think maybe MA with the current 2p might be better than subt for now

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 12:08 AM

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monkascheme

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 12:09 AM

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you get so many ticks inside of the MA window

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at 100% crit

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im sure with 2p change geared slightly more towards buffing bleeds subt will be better in the end

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yeha the CT > envenom def seems better to my feelycraft eyes

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Which seems pretty cursed since WPS is a thing

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Might not here anymore PepeHands

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 12:18 AM

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spice spire Might not here anymore <:PepeHands:759483101406560288>

wha

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:22 AM

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you can get around that iirc

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with overall damage and a setting change

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it'd probably be fair to test w/o EoN and 2 252's

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 12:26 AM

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I mean eon will still exist for prog

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:26 AM

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just as a baseline since i'm sure many rogues won't have it

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 12:26 AM

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very much so

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:26 AM

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sure but it won't work like it is on dummies at 0%

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is the main point lmao

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 12:26 AM

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true

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:27 AM

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there might be new daggies

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with effects

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:27 AM

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copium

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:27 AM

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no spoilerinos

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but it might be

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:28 AM

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hmmm

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it'd be pretty cool if they had like all weps with effects on em

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again

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:28 AM

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i dont believe they can rip 8-9% dmg from sub and 5-6% from assa and its fine

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for our viability in th e raid

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when ranged specs like boomie can compete without special weapons

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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i mean they could just tune the tier

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better

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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yea

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they could

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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copium

uneven hamlet Dec 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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hollow river i mean they could just tune the tier

https://tenor.com/view/gbf-zephyrus-zephium-gif-20336716

Tenor

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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idk if i like the sub set push

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:29 AM

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no

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not talking about tokens

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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the sub set seems very cracked out to me

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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No hopium here brøther

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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so many fking cp

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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Only doomsaying

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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hollow river the sub set seems very cracked out to me

a bit overrated

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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faint harness a bit overrated

no i mean the gameplay

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idk if i can cope with it lmfao

uneven hamlet Dec 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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oh boy, 20hc kills 2 m and alot of chests, still don't have either

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:30 AM

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hollow river no i mean the gameplay

stressful ye

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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yeah

nimble tartan Dec 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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reset ur seed this happened to my friend and he reset his seed and got one next raid

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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faint harness stressful ye

how is kyrian with the set

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just even more important to ER outside of dance?

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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hollow river how is kyrian with the set

awkward

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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yeah it felt awkward af

dawn ivy Dec 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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theres just no shot thats the play

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:31 AM

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for outlaw even moreso

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because you can't just ER out of dance on outlaw

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always getting random CP

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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you cant on sub either cus blades uptime

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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kinda cringe

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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is 50%+

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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true

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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so stabs not giving 1 cp anymore

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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fuck

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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is kinda bad

dawn ivy Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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finally

clever kindle Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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the outlaw play for kyrian is to shiv to get to the cp you need

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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clever kindle the outlaw play for kyrian is to shiv to get to the cp you need

......

clever kindle Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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at least gives you a little control

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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hm

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shiv might be the play

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actually

clever kindle Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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thats what guy said

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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we're talking about the tier set bonus

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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kekg

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:32 AM

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the free cp

clever kindle Dec 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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oh ignore me then Danki

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I thought that was a bug

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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kekw

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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clever kindle I thought that was a bug

huh

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all those free pistol shots giving cp i doubt is a bug

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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enough sub/ol talk tho, this is assa channel

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:33 AM

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not by a lot though

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tru

clever kindle Dec 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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someone said it yesterday and ive been working long hours so I didnt look into it any further

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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remove exsanguinate as a talent

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exsangery

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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you mean underrated

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not oversold

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??

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or

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the "vend shit" might be a feature

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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sin is looking good once they rework the 2p

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:34 AM

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oh

hoary night Dec 4, 2021, 12:35 AM

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Actually i'm pretty happy with the 4p

nocturne geode Dec 4, 2021, 12:35 AM

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becool

hoary night Dec 4, 2021, 12:35 AM

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But 2p has nothing relating to spec mechanisms

faint harness Dec 4, 2021, 12:36 AM

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the vendetta window gameplay is massively different tho

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so idk if this is a passive set

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:37 AM

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i mean it has slight synergy with the 4p

hoary night Dec 4, 2021, 12:37 AM

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Any set that changes the entire gameplay style will be a good set imo, despite number issues

jaunty steeple Dec 4, 2021, 12:37 AM

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kinda wack if the snapshotting from 4p stays, considering how little snapshotting there is in the game these days

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:37 AM

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probably more important to shiv during Vend always now

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but meh

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it's kinda a w/e bonus

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that's what i thought, but apparently not

clever kindle Dec 4, 2021, 12:38 AM

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we were snapshotting as recently as nyalotha tho

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:38 AM

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i said the same yesterday

clever kindle Dec 4, 2021, 12:38 AM

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I guess not much before that in recent memory

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:38 AM

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whispyr and Cev disagreed

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me too

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i don't mind it

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more dam is more dam

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also if we run duskwalkers+Obe

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it's gonna be nice

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maybe @slow marsh

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idk

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 12:40 AM

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yeah

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see above

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scroll a bit and you'll see i was messing iwth CT in ST

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seems better

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:41 AM

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it seems better?

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lame

dawn ivy Dec 4, 2021, 12:41 AM

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sounds awful feeling

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:41 AM

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it does

nocturne geode Dec 4, 2021, 12:44 AM

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@strange python he said he was using MFD to help

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 12:48 AM

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mfd is pog

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 12:59 AM

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dawn ivy sounds awful feeling

it sounds awful but feels better than PB

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with current tier

lethal saffron Dec 4, 2021, 1:06 AM

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do u just never envenom during vendetta

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 1:09 AM

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Probably not lol

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 1:16 AM

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you just alternate envenom and CT

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you are generating so much energy it should be fine

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 1:19 AM

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so what - we'll be CT'ing on single target...

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dust off that enhance

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 1:19 AM

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no

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dunno yet

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just saying it seems decent

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and if CT in ST is pretty close to PB then we would obvi just do that considering add fights

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and the focus on bleeds

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just not sure yet is all

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it'll depend on 2p changes

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 1:29 AM

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Ct on single target is a scourge that must be irradiated

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Atomized

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Removed from the physical plane

jaunty steeple Dec 4, 2021, 1:30 AM

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bro the bleed identity bro

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 1:30 AM

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Suspicious

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And you along with it

jaunty steeple Dec 4, 2021, 1:30 AM

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OMEGASPEST

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 1:36 AM

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THE BLEEDS

kind talon Dec 4, 2021, 1:41 AM

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balmy condor Ct on single target is a scourge that must be irradiated

Nope

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It’s Poggers

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 1:41 AM

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Raisedeyebrowbutcat

kind talon Dec 4, 2021, 1:42 AM

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I love that emote man

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 1:42 AM

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Boutta banish you to the shadow realm with that take home skillet

kind talon Dec 4, 2021, 1:42 AM

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It’s so good

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Does it work with tier set

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 1:43 AM

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Yes

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That’s why it’s in question

kind talon Dec 4, 2021, 1:43 AM

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Poggers

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 1:43 AM

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kind talon It’s so good

OxiPain

kind talon Dec 4, 2021, 1:44 AM

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gusty mirage <:OxiPain:869590296801984562>

That one is amazing too

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You are amazing

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 1:44 AM

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kind talon You are amazing

doubt

kind talon Dec 4, 2021, 1:44 AM

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You are.

jaunty steeple Dec 4, 2021, 1:44 AM

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monakNotsure

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 1:45 AM

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monakGIGA

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 1:46 AM

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happy

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 1:48 AM

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monakS

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 1:49 AM

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I heard you wanted to be a dot spec peepoguns

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 1:51 AM

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Not like this though

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 1:52 AM

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I heard you wanted tier set to change gameplay and make it more interactive

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 1:52 AM

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That’s not what this is

nocturne geode Dec 4, 2021, 1:52 AM

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ct isnt interactive?

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i agree w whispyr here

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 1:52 AM

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CT aoe talent

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Aoe talent for aoe

nocturne geode Dec 4, 2021, 1:53 AM

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BUT it will make bigger aoe

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so i approve of that

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 1:53 AM

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Hmmm

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But it’s all single target

nocturne geode Dec 4, 2021, 1:53 AM

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ohh wait bc shiv right?

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nvm

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 1:55 AM

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it's interactive cuz we'll spend all of vendetta trying to keep dots up instead of pressing damage buttons

kind talon Dec 4, 2021, 1:56 AM

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But dots are damage buttons

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 1:57 AM

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well they will be

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whether we like it or not

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 2:29 AM

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complains about envenom not being filler

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tier set makes envenom filler

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 2:49 AM

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wps and lp envenom buffing borrowed power
what if we simply avoid casting envenom
spec has no design flaws

spark scaffold Dec 4, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Fixed an issue which caused Shard of Tel to often fail to find a friendly target to apply its shield to if it was triggered by a damaging ability.

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Yea boi

timid cloud Dec 4, 2021, 2:54 AM

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What even are the other conduits? FOK & Mutilate damage, right?

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No garrote or rupture conduits

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 2:54 AM

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spark scaffold Yea boi

https://tenor.com/view/ainsley-harriott-yeah-boi-gif-5739091

Tenor

timid cloud Dec 4, 2021, 2:55 AM

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On god. Could’ve just made SS a conduit at this point.

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Poison Katar...

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https://tenor.com/view/ooooo-wow-drake-mock-gif-16536673

Tenor

drifting cosmos Dec 4, 2021, 3:02 AM

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Does the 4p only works on the target with vendetta ?

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Or it works for all the targets

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 3:08 AM

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I feel like CT would have to do a lot of dmg to become better than poison bomb because - it's not THAT much uptime on the exsang...and to apply CT, you also aren't casting an Envenom...I just don't want some stupid rotation where you CT during it and not without it and have to Rupture 3 seconds before the exsang ends, and then MFD>CT right before it ends....and don't envenom at all during the exsang...just sounds like a hot mess.

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 3:09 AM

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We already CT outside of shiv when not playing dashing so

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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for single target?

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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It is a mess that's why we're dreading it

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Yes

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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god where have i been

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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If you have CT talented you press it outside of shiv on st

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So like soulrender or KT for example

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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oh yeah that makes sense - it's like not some preferred guardian talent though

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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If you're not playing dashing

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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yeah i'm with you

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unfortunately that sub set seems amazing

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I mean i'm withholding any drastic thoughts at the moment though, obviously too premature.

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Sin will be competitive when it's all said and done

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 3:11 AM

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yeah you're probably right

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lol i also dont want some have-to-play venth thing with 2 set legendaries and 45 sec vendettas

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lol that also sounds not fun to me

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 3:12 AM

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Gotta do what you gotta do to do dam

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 3:13 AM

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yeah if it's too bad at the end of it all - i'll probably go sub

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rogue is just too fun in general so

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:18 AM

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drifting cosmos Does the 4p only works on the target with vendetta ?

with vendetta

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:19 AM

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strange python lol i also dont want some have-to-play venth thing with 2 set legendaries and 45...

nothing else looks viable

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necro legendary instantly makes necro about 7% behind venth just off of that, so that's dead
fae legendary is okay post buff, but the soulbinds aren't great and the ability is trash, so that's dead
kyrian sounds okay in theory, depends on how low you can get duskwalker vendetta and slam stuff during it, but kyrian is bottom barrel shit right now and there probably isn't much it can do to overcome that

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so

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the way it looks, you're venthyr, or you're trash

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 3:21 AM

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balmy condor the way it looks, you're venthyr, or you're trash

are these two mutually exclusive? can I be venthyr and trash still?

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:22 AM

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gusty mirage are these two mutually exclusive? can I be venthyr and trash still?

of course

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Clappers

limber swallow Dec 4, 2021, 3:22 AM

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gusty mirage are these two mutually exclusive? can I be venthyr and trash still?

we've discussed this, oh trash lord.

drifting cosmos Dec 4, 2021, 3:22 AM

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But 2p works on ct and makes it kinda aoe?

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:22 AM

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2p is on shiv target

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so yes it works on ct

drifting cosmos Dec 4, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Oh

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:22 AM

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no it doesn't make it aoe

drifting cosmos Dec 4, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Rip my aoe dream

#

Thanks

limber swallow Dec 4, 2021, 3:23 AM

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balmy condor necro legendary instantly makes necro about 7% behind venth just off of that, so...

think it's worth leveling kyrian for sub?

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:23 AM

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sin will never have good aoe

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:23 AM

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limber swallow think it's worth leveling kyrian for sub?

nothing else to do atm but it's questionable atm

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kyrian animacharge doesn't work on the 4 piece

drifting cosmos Dec 4, 2021, 3:23 AM

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Was ok in BFA, guess I still live in the past

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:23 AM

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also makes hitting the animacharges really hard

limber swallow Dec 4, 2021, 3:23 AM

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balmy condor nothing else to do atm but it's questionable atm

yea, the nothing else to do is my problem, lol.

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:24 AM

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if you level venth and kyrian to 80 you're good to go for all 3 specs

limber swallow Dec 4, 2021, 3:24 AM

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I've got venth and necro

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:24 AM

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outlaw will play kyrian, sub will play kyrian/venth, sin will play venth

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so if you want to be ready

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those are the 2 to go for

limber swallow Dec 4, 2021, 3:25 AM

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well.. maybe this weekend I'll bite the bullet..

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Kyrian might end up not getting played for anyone since it'll be so hard for specs to hit the charged cp

dusk cave Dec 4, 2021, 3:32 AM

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Poison knife ez

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:32 AM

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pog

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poisoned knife

prisma carbon Dec 4, 2021, 3:48 AM

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should i bother leveling nf kekw

limber swallow Dec 4, 2021, 3:48 AM

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without question... we've all already done it... sepsis is god mode.

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:53 AM

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prisma carbon should i bother leveling nf <:kekw:610125925413289985>

probably not

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sepsis should work with the 4 piece

#

but it does negative damage

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so what's the point

#

doubling the tick rate of sepsis doesn't even help the damage really

#

the whole thing fit into vendetta already

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and it's 1 tick away from full shiv buff as well

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so you're really getting nothing out of it

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even if it did work

obtuse robin Dec 4, 2021, 3:55 AM

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can u not get an empowered gar with sepsis?

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 3:55 AM

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no

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sepsis allows the use of a stealth ability

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it does not grant the benefits of stealth

obtuse robin Dec 4, 2021, 3:56 AM

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what a great ability

nocturne geode Dec 4, 2021, 4:00 AM

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one of the reason nf is doggo

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reasons

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 4:01 AM

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sepsis is sleeper spec man

obtuse robin Dec 4, 2021, 4:01 AM

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copium

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 4:01 AM

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With the increased value in haste - and dreamweaver -- i think it'll be up there but needs some tuning

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2ez

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i dunno sh*t hits like a TRUCK in wm / korthia haha

nocturne geode Dec 4, 2021, 4:02 AM

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hey man i agree w you but atm still dead cov is dead

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 4:03 AM

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I just like to have options...i'm good with either necro or NF being close to venthyr

obtuse robin Dec 4, 2021, 4:03 AM

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necro kekw

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 4:04 AM

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I feel like necro's only strongpoint currently is that A) you dont always have to wear your cov legendary and B) the 18% crit (or is it 20%) buff

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and that buff's interaction with frost shards

#

i mean venth just gets more powerful with forced cov legendary...and i feel like kyrian does too

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there's literally nothing worse than anima charging 2 combo points lol

#

always charging 4 - might honestly make kyrian playable

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*to me

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night boys

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:12 AM

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its never a gain to be not using a covenant legendary

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guaranteed max ilvl possible with perfect stats AND nearly all of them give you single target gain

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oh you mean for now not for 9.2

obtuse robin Dec 4, 2021, 4:26 AM

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concernedpopcorn

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:29 AM

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Tier Set Findings and Bugs:

4 set: Vendetta causes Poisons and Bleeds on your target to expire 100% faster.```
**2 set:**
- is a debuff on the targets, not an aura around the player. 
- does not affect Envenom
- does work on poison bomb
This is a great rework (<https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-set-feedback-rogue/1143962/79>) and we’ll see with tuning and stuff how strong is stays.

**4 set:**
- Works on the *target affected by vendetta*. No AoE bonus
- Works on pretty much everything
- Bug 1: 100% faster tick rate and the halved duration are *snapshot at time of cast*. This means you should be casting rupture and garrote at the end of vendetta to get as much uptime on the empowered bleeds as possible. ~~Considered a bug as of now, but the developer has asked for feedback on the mechanic, so there is a chance of it staying.~~ This is a feature.
- Bug 2: ~~Should also work on Sbs **(only for the duration obviously)**, bloodfang, and sepsis. Currently does not speed them up. Slated for a fix in January.~~ *Fixed as of  Feb 11/2022*
- Bug 3: ~~Currently does not work with Deadly poison (refreshes are not sped up). This has been slated for fix in early January.~~ *Fixed*

Please provide your feedback/discussion in the attached thread, and/or on the official forums posts here:
NA: <https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-set-feedback-rogue/1143962>
EU: <https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-set-feedback-rogue/329463>

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:29 AM

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balmy condor **Tier Set Findings and Bugs:** ```2 set: Shiv's debuff causes your bleeds and p...

obtuse robin Dec 4, 2021, 4:31 AM

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feelsloveman

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:38 AM

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whispyrheart

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@slow marsh yeah

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:45 AM

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Yeah

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As much as I want NF to be good

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It's not

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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prayge nf stays bad once again

obtuse robin Dec 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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mastery, haste and crit look to be fairly equal.

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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Sepsis would need an actual rework which isn't happening

obtuse robin Dec 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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logs

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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PU_PepeBlessPray nf stays malding and balding go back to your farmville simulator

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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we dont have double leggos or sims

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unless

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😳

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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I have double lego sims

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but the tier set isn't implemented obviously

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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Hi :) are people super duper sure 2pc will be changed?

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:46 AM

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Yes

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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it'll be at minimum buffed

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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thats why i said or sims

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🙂

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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The extent of change is unknown

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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😉

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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but there is a very high likelyhood for rework

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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*likelihood

#

L

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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What about 4pc?

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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lykeleehud

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4 piece might get a bug fix

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but it's staying as is

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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oak sky thats why i said or sims

True but sims rely on apl and apl is maybe changing a bit so

strange python Dec 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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<3 ty

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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That's why it's good to mess around with stuff

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:47 AM

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nothing wrong with messing

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but

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APL changes actually adds to my point

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which is we dont actually know exactly which stats are gonna be bissy bissy yet

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:48 AM

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yeh

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we don't know for sure

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but there's some good estimates and stuff I have

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I don't want to share tho

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cause it's giga jank

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:48 AM

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It's ok

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:48 AM

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inb4 2 pc makes us vers scalers

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by some miracle

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an act of god

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:48 AM

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kekW

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:49 AM

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We already are

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Cuz we're Perma capped in vend lmao

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:49 AM

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obedience vers is probably more than enough

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:49 AM

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dude

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energy overcap isnt the only factor

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for haste

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:49 AM

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it's a large part of it though

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:49 AM

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I just like getting you all worked up agreon feelsloveman

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:49 AM

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😡

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my new TC

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to prevent energy overcap

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10% crit build

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:50 AM

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peepoNotes

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yes

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:50 AM

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What you're saying isn't wrong. Like yes when it's all said and done just follow sims will be right

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:50 AM

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we haste mastery now

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:51 AM

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One of those are right

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And it's not the haste

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OMEGAKEKW

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:51 AM

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copium

obtuse robin Dec 4, 2021, 4:51 AM

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ncredible energy gain for the 4 set, mastery, haste and crit look to be fairly equal.

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concernedpopcorn

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:51 AM

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PE_PepePopcorn

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:52 AM

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i literally wasnt energy overcapped when i played on ptr but with more stats from 278 gear i suppose....

ruby oyster Dec 4, 2021, 4:52 AM

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Duskwalker dream possible?

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:52 AM

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possible yes!

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:52 AM

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Probable

nimble tartan Dec 4, 2021, 4:52 AM

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lol

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 4:52 AM

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Esp if bug somehow stays

ruby oyster Dec 4, 2021, 4:52 AM

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Lovely :)

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 4:56 AM

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oak sky we haste mastery now

hate*

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fixed that for you

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:56 AM

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no oxi

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it was in the theoretical no crit TC

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i'm not a mastery stan

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i promise

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 4:56 AM

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YOU WILL NOT SPEAK THAT NAME

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:56 AM

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copium

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 4:56 AM

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all my homies HATE mastery

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reee

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:56 AM

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i want a new mastery

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:56 AM

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mastery looking okay

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cope

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 4:56 AM

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where's osh

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someone ping him, his dream has come true

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:57 AM

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playing SoM probably

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:57 AM

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i had a fried idea what if our mastery was bleeds amp poisons poisons amp bleeds

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what do you think whispy

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:57 AM

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isn't that what we have right now

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Hmmm

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:58 AM

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monkahmm

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:58 AM

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I mean you put poisons on everything you're fighting

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:58 AM

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i dunno

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maybe if they

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:58 AM

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you put bleeds on everything you're fighting

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:58 AM

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added like

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a short term poison

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:58 AM

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so isn't that just "damage of poisons and bleeds increased"

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:58 AM

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monkascheme

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:58 AM

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oak sky a short term poison

oh like shiv

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:58 AM

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or like

ruby oyster Dec 4, 2021, 4:59 AM

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Maybe a poison that doesn't deal damage but buffs nature damage taken 🤔

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:59 AM

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an old friend ive heard about

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:59 AM

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ruby oyster Maybe a poison that doesn't deal damage but buffs nature damage taken 🤔

and maybe put it on a 25 second cooldown

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yeah that could be good

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 4:59 AM

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idk

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i was just trying to think of a way to make our mastery feel more interesting

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it was an offhand thought anyway

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 4:59 AM

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mastery more interesting is a good thought

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a lot of masteries in the game are just versatility in disguise

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:00 AM

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i feel like you either need a lot of buttons or you need a cool mastery

charred wraith Dec 4, 2021, 5:00 AM

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balmy condor a lot of masteries in the game are just versatility in disguise

you are incorrect bc they dont give dr

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:01 AM

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I honestly feel like a lot of specs could take their defining passives, and have mastery be increase of that

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:01 AM

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sin defining passive modCheck

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:01 AM

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sin would get venomous wounds, mastery would increase the energy
outlaw would get restless blades, mastery would increase the cdr

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that type of thing

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:01 AM

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imo outlaw mastery is sort of cool

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its just bad

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OMEGAKEKW

obtuse robin Dec 4, 2021, 5:02 AM

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im sorry

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:02 AM

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you aren't forgiven

charred wraith Dec 4, 2021, 5:02 AM

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oak sky imo outlaw mastery is sort of cool

wdym, its same as for 2 other specs, "X" does more dmg

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 5:02 AM

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in osh we trust

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:02 AM

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exile to the banished land -> #pvp

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:02 AM

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slow marsh in osh we trust

why do you have phial equipped

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real oshosi followers follow the holy book

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divine bell on SLG prog

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 5:03 AM

#

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fixed

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:03 AM

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excellent

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:04 AM

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whispyr the reason why i was braining that mastery idea is because I think our class could lean into our bleed/poison combo more

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imo venomous wounds is one of the coolest things in our kit

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 5:04 AM

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I mean VM is the only reason our 4p seems good right now

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:05 AM

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we should have more shit like that

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 5:05 AM

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VM is the glue that holds our spec together

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:06 AM

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oak sky whispyr the reason why i was braining that mastery idea is because I think our c...

#assassination message

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:06 AM

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how do I delete someone else's message

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:06 AM

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NODDERS

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:06 AM

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ive read it before

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:07 AM

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gusty mirage how do I delete someone else's message

it's iceblades, he'll delete it himself if you wait a couple minutes

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:07 AM

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oak sky ive read it before

I know, but same shit

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NODDERS

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bleed poison good

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:07 AM

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i dont love all your exact ideas but the base is there

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:07 AM

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yeh

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:07 AM

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and the thought

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 5:07 AM

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too bad mastery is tuned to shit

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:07 AM

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I had some angry dm's

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about envenom talent

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kekW

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 5:07 AM

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necrolord succs

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:07 AM

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yeah idk about that one

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 5:07 AM

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rq ptr

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:07 AM

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out of the box thinking PU_PepeBlessPray

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:07 AM

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@slow marsh lmao ily

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 5:08 AM

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spice spire too bad mastery is tuned to shit

yeah if mastery point to percentage conversion was better than it'd prolly be an ez lock

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 5:08 AM

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gusty mirage <@!409626135408803841> lmao ily

Thanks dad

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:08 AM

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its one of your hotter takes and i doubt they would ever do it, but obviously i can still appreciate you trying harder than literally everyone else

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 5:08 AM

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I mean the plus side is that the devs are probably paying more attention to what we want right now than in recent history

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So yes big poggers on the write up

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:09 AM

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Mastery: Septic symbiosis

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😈

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 5:10 AM

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don't make me @ the MAN

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of mastery himself

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:10 AM

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oh someone already did

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 5:10 AM

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did papa osh show?

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:10 AM

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no

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besad

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 5:10 AM

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Sadge

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:10 AM

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oak sky its one of your hotter takes and i doubt they would ever do it, but obviously i ...

here's a magma take, I think sin needs more maintenance

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:10 AM

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no

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wrong + L + ratio

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:11 AM

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bring back hemo

spice spire Dec 4, 2021, 5:11 AM

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maintenance spec need maintenance peepoNoted

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:11 AM

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😱

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idk how hemo works

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 5:11 AM

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balmy condor here's a magma take, I think sin needs more maintenance

not a very hot take imo

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:11 AM

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and give me a poison I need to maintain through envenom refreshes

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 5:11 AM

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I completely agree

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:11 AM

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oak sky idk how hemo works

it's garrote but instead of doing a ton of damage, it buffs all bleeds on the target

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 5:11 AM

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It's a meme spec right now cuz you just throw a couple dots up and slam envenom

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:11 AM

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ooh i like that

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 5:11 AM

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There's obviously lots of ways to minmax it but it doesn't feel like the dot spec it should be

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:12 AM

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does hemo count as a poison

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:12 AM

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no, it counts as a bleed

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:12 AM

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kk

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:12 AM

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my dream is sub multistrike from wod

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to come back

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sub in wod had rupture garrote and hemo

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to maintain

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but when you multistriked, all your bleeds would advance 2 seconds, causing an instant tick

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so a 20 second rupture, you multistrike a couple times, it's done expiring in like 12 seconds

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:13 AM

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interesting

obtuse robin Dec 4, 2021, 5:13 AM

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what

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:14 AM

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like idk

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imagine if seal fate proccing

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just advanced your bleeds by 2 seconds

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that sounds sick

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:14 AM

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how would that interact with vw

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juicer energy

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:14 AM

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if a tick happens, you would get energy

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like normal

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:14 AM

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sounds like we arent slow anymore

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which i personally dont care much either way about

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:15 AM

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well, you can nerf VW to compensate

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:15 AM

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balmy condor here's a magma take, I think sin needs more maintenance

you really think that's a magma take?

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:15 AM

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gusty mirage you really think that's a magma take?

that I want to spin 5 plates instead of 3? yeh kinda

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:15 AM

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wait you had the ambush bleed take too?

proper sage Dec 4, 2021, 5:15 AM

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here's a magma take sin needs to become more like outlaw

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:15 AM

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i forgot about that

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:15 AM

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I don't think its that magma

slow marsh Dec 4, 2021, 5:15 AM

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Na we should spin 7 plates

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and one of them is CT

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:15 AM

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the fun of sin is juggling the dif dots

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:16 AM

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proper sage here's a magma take sin needs to become more like outlaw

lauren sees stjern offline, needs to get a ban from somewhere else

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SMH

proper sage Dec 4, 2021, 5:16 AM

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im trying to have a serious conversation

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:16 AM

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what would you like to see in sin

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to make it more like outlaw

proper sage Dec 4, 2021, 5:16 AM

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i would like to see them start by adding dispatch

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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in place of envenom?

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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L

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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okay okay so two finishers

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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or alongside

proper sage Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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no

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just alongside

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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and when would we use it

proper sage Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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well

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they would buff envenom duration

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remove on hit damage

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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I think that's crazy enough to work

atomic saddle Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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Looking for some VoDs of raidtesting, can anyone suggest some streamers that were live yday?

proper sage Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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and only make the damage come from the poison

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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atomic saddle Looking for some VoDs of raidtesting, can anyone suggest some streamers that wer...

Gromnak was streaming it if you want some comedy while seeing the raid

obtuse robin Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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atomic saddle Looking for some VoDs of raidtesting, can anyone suggest some streamers that wer...

infexious kekw

proper sage Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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then you can rename the envenom to nightblade

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:17 AM

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growl was streaming as well

proper sage Dec 4, 2021, 5:18 AM

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to avoid confusion

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:18 AM

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proper sage then you can rename the envenom to nightblade

Suspicious

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:18 AM

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PAUSE

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I don't hate the idea

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:19 AM

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what do i want.....

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:19 AM

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it does mean more maintenance

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so I guess I'm down

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:19 AM

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reimagined mastery, another poison but we have to apply it ourselves, and MA 100% crit

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to start

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lol

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:19 AM

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oak sky what do i want.....

a thick gf who loves you unconditionally

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:19 AM

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get out of my head

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:19 AM

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rent free

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I'm the thick gf

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PAUSE

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:20 AM

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oak sky reimagined mastery, another poison but we have to apply it ourselves, and MA 100...

aight what if we have a poison but it only lasts 30 seconds

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:20 AM

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balmy condor a thick gf who loves you unconditionally

sad true

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:20 AM

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so every 30 seconds

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you have to stand there

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and cast the poison back on

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:20 AM

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no

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:20 AM

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bring back weapon swap shiv macros

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:20 AM

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like a bleed

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but a poison

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:20 AM

#

kekg

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:20 AM

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that was it

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:20 AM

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oak sky but a poison

oh so sepsis?

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kekl

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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maybe if it was good

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omegalul

arctic hare Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N1PyGaC6FgMdYQ2t So, what'd I do wrong here? cause it was lower than usual, I know for a fact on Guardian that I messed up my opener

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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would also fix the energy issue

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since poisons dont give energy

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with vw

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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nutTasty FRESH LOGS

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MY HUNGER

arctic hare Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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LOL

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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balmy condor MY HUNGER

MINE

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CH_Scream

arctic hare Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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hahahaha

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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YOU CANT MAKE THREADS

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YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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damn

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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L

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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give me the L

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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MY THREAD MY RULES

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:21 AM

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go ahead

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do it

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hit me with it

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:22 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/mayweather-for-you-throw-gif-8082067

Tenor

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:22 AM

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thanks dad

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SAD

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:22 AM

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I ain't your dad

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your dad didn't come back

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remember

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:22 AM

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my dad never left

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I became a lawyer

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he had no reason to leave

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:22 AM

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@arctic hare you're tremonra?

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 5:22 AM

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I checked it with the video you gave me

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it adds up

arctic hare Dec 4, 2021, 5:22 AM

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I am, yes

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 5:22 AM

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Tremonra Log

bleak sky Dec 4, 2021, 6:58 AM

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another kill, no daggies

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me sadge

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 7:00 AM

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bleak sky another kill, no daggies

next time for sure

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oxiCopium

bleak sky Dec 4, 2021, 7:05 AM

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oxi I don't have copium anymore

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nor hopium

kindred rapids Dec 4, 2021, 7:42 AM

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frostrime fixed?

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Poggers

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 7:45 AM

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kindred rapids frostrime fixed?

not as of yesterday

gusty mirage Dec 4, 2021, 8:09 AM

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hollow river not as of yesterday

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@echo geyser POGGIE

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 8:10 AM

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poggers

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 8:11 AM

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we jammin

hollow river Dec 4, 2021, 8:11 AM

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i missed t3 gloves on the bmah because i passed out earlier

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at least we get a lil good news prayge

limber lion Dec 4, 2021, 8:17 AM

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antipoggies

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 8:42 AM

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can you send leggo items cross server

glass tulip Dec 4, 2021, 8:43 AM

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no

charred wraith Dec 4, 2021, 8:45 AM

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gusty mirage

ima getting back my r1 healing parses 2ez

gloomy knoll Dec 4, 2021, 8:56 AM

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RHmm

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 9:00 AM

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gloomy knoll <:RHmm:876980657283297360>

Lil sprouticus i require your expert opinion

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 9:04 AM

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🥶

arctic hare Dec 4, 2021, 9:21 AM

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bleak sky another kill, no daggies

You must give up on the dagger, only when you truly, subconciously give up any hope of ever getting the dagger, then you shall get it

bronze pike Dec 4, 2021, 9:22 AM

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Bane method?

gloomy knoll Dec 4, 2021, 9:35 AM

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balmy condor Lil sprouticus i require your expert opinion

what's up do

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 9:36 AM

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yung esrafil

gloomy knoll Dec 4, 2021, 9:41 AM

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?

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the waviest

versed mica Dec 4, 2021, 9:43 AM

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Whispyr I really like your proposed sin rework btw

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guys my brother who is a frost dk main has solved all our issues with our tier set

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his proposal:

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2p: Mutilate refunds 7 energy

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4p: Mutilate refunds an additional 7 energy

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genius

bronze pike Dec 4, 2021, 9:47 AM

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Genius

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Truly a marvel of their time

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Tho I might boost my dk after my hunter

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Cause that frost set..looking pretty delish

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 10:03 AM

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gloomy knoll what's up do

What’s the drippiest psychic Pokémon

gloomy knoll Dec 4, 2021, 10:11 AM

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alakazam

balmy condor Dec 4, 2021, 10:14 AM

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Based

oak sky Dec 4, 2021, 10:19 AM

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alakazam true

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i lied come to think of it its definitely gallade