Probably not Venthyr Fury double lego amounts but yeh, they sure do
#assassination
oak sky
Unholy tier set was built for this
wary ice
With tier set I think they're the highest based on preliminary Sims
kind talon
With tier set I think they're the highest based on preliminary Sims
yeah but warrior sims are broken
limber lion
Warr tier set kinda resident sleeper for execute
wary ice
I mean sets are fake anyways until patch day
kind talon
yeah
kind talon
Warr tier set kinda resident sleeper for execute
well the arms set is 0 and the fury set is quite insane but
it depends
limber lion
Yeah fury is insane
kind talon
covenant etc
oak sky
We get blindside BatChest
kind talon
yeah
limber lion
Unholy tier set is tailored for execute afaik
wary ice
Is fury insane? It just seems cool
kind talon
Is fury insane? It just seems cool
yes
if this tier set goes through fury will be insane
oak sky
High reck uptime big
wary ice
The only set I read that I said outloud "that's probably going to be dumb" was fire
gusty mirage
I have a little birdie that told me it
strange python
Feral meta is coming
gusty mirage
they're tweaking it
strange python
I just wanna play feral for one tier :(
gusty mirage
I just wanna play feral for one tier :(
you could've played it this tier?
oak sky
I have a little birdie that told me it
Everyone has their little birdies
strange python
Not in my guild
kind talon
The only set I read that I said outloud "that's probably going to be dumb" was f...
highest dmg ability +15% damage, extra stack, gives you 6 seconds of CD
gusty mirage
Not in my guild
they at least hall of fame? Or are they pretending that having a meta comp actually matters?
kind talon
but anyways dont wanna talk too mcuh about fury in this channel
my bad for off topic guys
strange python
they at least hall of fame? Or are they pretending that having a meta comp actua...
Barely missed.
hollow river
New 2P: Shiv increases Envenom damage by 150%
strange python
But no OT ever
hollow river
gusty mirage
Barely missed.
wouldn't have missed if they let your feral wings fly
massive chomps for fat boss dam
kind talon
<:poggers:652288776021999626> <:poggers:652288776021999626> <:poggers:6522887760...
hidden wowhead post?
😱
oak sky
Omg more envenom crazy
strange python
Hate to see a miss for an ethical guild
The guild above us on server missed it by one week and was OT 45 hours on sylv LOL
gusty mirage
let your kitty heart soar
hollow river
hidden wowhead post?
I be data mining 
spice spire
The guild above us on server missed it by one week and was OT 45 hours on sylv L...
NA?
strange python
let your kitty heart soar
Our 99 parsing Boomie isn't even allowed to play feral :(
spice spire
ZJ?
kind talon
spice spire
strange python
They were SO SALTY
oak sky
If feral gets more damage than everything else this tier you have to make them let you play it
spice spire
But also feral high key a pumper
wary ice
feral set just got an update too
strange python
They put it in their WL bio that they missed HoF for "lag"
gusty mirage
The guild above us on server missed it by one week and was OT 45 hours on sylv L...
why do you gotta call out elusive like that
spice spire
We might get a decent one too 
gusty mirage
they're a 4 day guild only honest
kind talon
feral set just got an update too
its much better now
gusty mirage
wary ice
w/ the beserk bleed at the start
regal cape
Imagine is sin 2set applied to poisons
hollow river
wary ice
Its way less stupid now
kind talon
yes
limber lion
I wanna play Feral
strange python
they're a 4 day guild only honest
No overtime, just 45 hours
gusty mirage
I wanna play Feral
you already play with my heart, isn't that enough?
spice spire
Boost it papi
wary ice
imagine holding your cooldown for the end of your other cooldown so you can snap shot correctly :/
gusty mirage
oak sky
Its just sin with less energy 
limber lion
Violin money huh
gusty mirage
buy a boost with your violin money baby
spice spire
Stream PTR, collect racks, ez boosties
slow marsh
I have a little birdie that told me it
Why does everyone have unknown sources with just generic ass info
wary ice
I wanna play Feral
every time i start playing feral i realize i just want to play rogue but have nothing to do on my rogue
limber lion
I can barely afford the nice ramen brands in the shop
gusty mirage
Why does everyone have unknown sources with just generic ass info
because we don't want to leak our sources?
strange python
I just want enormous ferocious bites
slow marsh
I'm not saying to leak sources
gusty mirage
I just want enormous ferocious bites
oak sky
And dont want to give too much info that we get later anyway
slow marsh
I'm just saying it's such generic information is all lol
oak sky
spice spire
If you leak specific info, it could leak source
Also unconfirmed info could lead to hype
slow marsh
Sources tell me that there might be clouds today
strange python
@spice spire have you seen elusives WL bio?
spice spire
Sources tell me that there might be clouds today
Them sources your eyes?
spice spire
<@226508540746006528> have you seen elusives WL bio?
I sure did king
gusty mirage
Sources tell me that there might be clouds today
Sources tell me you need a snickers bar
spice spire
Unfortunate
strange python
The salt
spice spire
No salt man
slow marsh
Sources tell me you need a snickers bar
I do it's past 12 and i haven't eaten
limber lion
I can confirm that we share the same source.
gusty mirage
I do it's past 12 and i haven't eaten
I'll grab two and we can sit down and eat them together
strange python
Trigz used to post here a lot, no?
limber lion
Who?
slow marsh
I'll grab two and we can sit down and eat them together
ok i can maybe get a free plane ticket
gusty mirage
ok i can maybe get a free plane ticket
nah nah I'll run
limber lion
No clue who that is
gusty mirage
I'll need the exercise
slow marsh
nah nah I'll run
ok forrest
strange python
Sounds like he's been elusive
gusty mirage
ok forrest
strange python
I'll see myself out
spice spire
gusty mirage
Sounds like he's been elusive
strange python
XD
gusty mirage
maybe he's talking about esra
strange python
Esra left
oak sky
So many layers
gusty mirage
ye for xD
oak sky
XD
oak sky
I saw it coming a mile away
strange python
Wanna hear something worse than 45 hour OT on sylv?
spice spire
strange python
My friend just did pull #560 on painsmith.
gusty mirage
lmao
oak sky
Poor guy
gusty mirage
I would've given up 360 pulls ago
any evasion tanks for the last 2% of painsmithers in the chat??
just me?
gusty mirage
I cloaked traps
and evasion tanked him
and then they go "Good job"
excuse me?
EXCUSE ME?
viscid spear
any evasion tanks for the last 2% of painsmithers in the chat??
I did that on a M Tarra once
oak sky
The king himself
gusty mirage
what about that entire sequence of events
violet jackal
My friend just did pull #560 on painsmith.
That boss is peak example of your only as good as your last racer finishing, is your friend the straggler?
gusty mirage
would lead anyone to believe it was a "good job"
strange python
"good job"? They should've said "king may I slob on you plz"
slow marsh
I did clutch our remnant kill though with evasion tanking
viscid spear
Mine's not as impressive tho
slow marsh
a resto sham ank'd to heal me while i killed
gusty mirage
the fact that we got there
slow marsh
was pretty epic
gusty mirage
is hot ass garbage
strange python
That boss is peak example of your only as good as your last racer finishing, is ...
No, but also not entirely no.
gusty mirage
something about painsmith turns perfectly competent people
into legit dumb dumbs
and idk what it is
bleak sky
My friend just did pull #560 on painsmith.
viscid spear
Well he's called PAINsmith for a reason
gusty mirage
Well he's called PAINsmith for a reason
viscid spear
I mean, I'd love to see a boss called Cupcakebaker
gusty mirage
I mean, I'd love to see a boss called Cupcakebaker
same
wait
the last boss with cake involved in it was miserable
viscid spear
Yeah, but he didn't have a cute name
"Trillax" doesn't sound like fluffy bunnies and rainbows
bleak sky
the last boss with cake involved in it was miserable
don't shittalk my boy Trilliax
gusty mirage
"Trillax" doesn't sound like fluffy bunnies and rainbows
not with that attitude
viscid spear
We're all a mess
clever kindle
My friend just did pull #560 on painsmith.
viscid spear
And the only prescription is more cowbell
clever kindle
We lost 20% of our raid and still only had lik3 350 total, after having to reprog with 4 new people
strange python
I did 180 pulls on pain and got gkicked
clever kindle
strange python
Because I told our GM I didn't wanna play with our hpal who died to spikes 36 times in 33 pulls anymore
clever kindle
Did yourself a favor then
clever kindle
look my brain is broken im pretty sure the guild I was in, in legion, had 350+ wipes to heroic KJ
strange python
Oooof
clever kindle
we were just a casual guild at that time
strange python
My guild from last tier did not want to let me change to rogue because they didn't think I could compete with theirs
Theirs now has an average parse of 31%
I'm not salty
clever kindle
but when you have certain people that refuse to learn and get coddled by the GM it creates guild tension
strange python
but when you have certain people that refuse to learn and get coddled by the GM ...
TRUE. BIG TRUE
Guild had all-girl healer core with weird GM energy
clever kindle
Nothing wrong with having an all girl healer core but the weird GM energy definitely changes that lol
strange python
It gets weird when he's refusing to bench 36 deaths in 33 pulls, yeah
clever kindle
Ironically in that 360 heroic kj wipe guild we had a husband and wife and the wife was our best healer but her mage husband kept dying to everything
strange python
I kinda wanna vantus remnant next week..
But also wanna save my parsescumming for after countermeasures and ting
clever kindle
that fight is rng enough where its not worth it imo
get 2 bombs and your parse is fucked
strange python
I've got a 45 on it but didn't have WF or externals :/
clever kindle
Imagine having a raid with windfury ever
limber lion
clever kindle
strange python
I'm pretty okay with a rank 45 no externals
limber lion
Imagine having a raid with windfury ever
Imagine not
spice spire
Just be better
True
strange python
But I want that thicc rank 1
limber lion
limber lion
But I want that thicc rank 1
Good luck buddy
strange python
I got rank 2 on guardian with only kindred spirits :(
limber lion
I got rank 2 on guardian with only kindred spirits :(
What's your name
strange python
Hipocritical
clever kindle
same person that assigned my vendetta to an add on soulrender
strange python
83% winds of winter crit GIGA
limber lion
Good stuff
strange python
Boss died with vendetta coming off CD :(
clever kindle
I dont even want to talk about our fatescribe kill because we did the cheese strat where you hold dps
strange python
Wait what hold dps strat
clever kindle
idk it takes forever but it lines up abilities much better
strange python
Isn't the cheese strat just blast to ignore mechanics?
clever kindle
you hard stop on boss
obtuse robin
new raid zero dps holds
oak sky
You can get top 10 on like every fight with no externals vs people with externals
viscid spear
What about "let the add hit tank and heal through damage"?
strange python
We just fucking smoothbrain blast it and if a high rolling dpser gets a rune they "forget" and wipe it
So they don't lose parse
clever kindle
I honestly cant even remember the reason we do that it was for some timing but we killed fatescribe super fast
I dont care that much but an 8% parse looks rough on the list lmao
viscid spear
So they don't lose parse
Is parse really that important to people? They're killing a boss for a reason and I doubt the group's intention is high parses. 
strange python
Is parse really that important to people? They're killing a boss for a reason an...
We're 11 weeks into farm and bored
clever kindle
Of course, it's like asking if personal stats are important to players on a baseball team right
You want to win, as a team, but you also want to personally do well
strange python
Also yeah, half the fun of post-CE raiding is to see how well you can perform
limber lion
Is parse really that important to people? They're killing a boss for a reason an...
Not as much during prig
clever kindle
^
strange python
I'm first in line for zero damage mechanics duty on prog
But that gets really boring after awhile
limber lion
Is parse really that important to people? They're killing a boss for a reason an...
Also "killing the boss for a reason" doesn't really fit when you're geared from head to toe in bis items.
The reason to kill/farm bosses changes up a bit the more you do em
strange python
Only reason we even do fate is for 2 people to get their 6th boss for vault at this point
No one even wants to buy it
limber lion
Yeh
We did the same thing except a different route
Stopped doing Fate altogether after a while
viscid spear
I guess it's because we only kill things for loot, to the point that if we're able to skip something then we're going to.
It just sucks that we stopped raiding after we got AotC because I don't have a single Sylv dagger and neither hunter has the bow or quiver.
At this point they must assume those things are only going to be marginally better until the later part of Sepulcher
strange python
It gets a lil different on mythic too, since historical performance plays a big role in guild apps if you ever leave
So having a full log page of oranges makes your life way easier
Even though everyone knows that padding/externals/kill time make a big difference
strange python
I just wanna fix my soulrender and sylv :(
We stop DPS soooooooooo early on sylv.
viscid spear
I'm 1/10 Mythic so I doubt I'm going to have to worry about guild apps. 
strange python
You could always move up!
limber lion
We stop DPS soooooooooo early on sylv.
P1 is kinda whatever
P2 and p3 is where it's at
strange python
I came back to wow in June of nyalotha and went from heroic to now being a ~us 60
limber lion
How much hou doing p3
strange python
Look my log tell me why I'm bad :(
viscid spear
I mean I personally am 1/10M because we haven't even attempted M Tarra as a guild. Killed HC Sylvie twice and by then we were apparently burned out
strange python
We stop DPS p1 before we hit second vend which sucks
limber lion
That's fine
viscid spear
People wanted to play New World and FFXIV or just take a break until 9.2
strange python
I want the orange overall tho
strange python
I want the orange number on my log page
ocean cipher
People wanted to play New World and FFXIV or just take a break until 9.2
I feel this. All my friends dipped after AOTC
limber lion
Like we had one entire shaman go afk and not drop wft at all
strange python
We're gonna do fast push p1 next week so it'll help
limber lion
Yuh
bleak sky
We stop DPS at 1:45 with two fucking buyers
god damn
nocturne geode
^
strange python
America is center of the Galaxy
bleak sky
idk why US people do it either
nocturne geode
wym im always look at world
strange python
Tbh I reference US ranks because of habit because other US players do it
oak sky
Do we really?
nocturne geode
super cringe to assume all us players do that
bleak sky
wym im always look at world
my past and current US guilds all do it by US ranking
that's hella weird to me
oak sky
Idk
bleak sky
why ignore the rest of the world lol
oak sky
It just feels misleading to me
bleak sky
yep
nocturne geode
^
strange python
Cause I can't go join an EU guild from LA
nocturne geode
you can
strange python
Lol
gloomy knoll
shrouded suffocation 2 pc is all I want for Christmas
strange python
400 ping lesgo
oak sky
Yeah, so filter for US but only look at world rank
nocturne geode
i literally raid on eu and us
nocturne geode
yea
oak sky
Idk like
You look at ranks and see like US 100 and ur like oh thats decent
But then its like WR 300
slow marsh
bro right when i gotta go to an appointment the ptr pops
strange python
I'd love some sort of hours-adjusted ranking
strange python
Guilds that raid 12 hours being compared to 40 hours is cringe
oak sky
Idk
limber lion
Fuck
oak sky
It came in the 11th hour, right before noon
viscid spear
America is center of the Galaxy
America is a 3rd World Country wearing a Gucci belt
dawn ivy
K SO
sin set
is just cutting the duration in half when you apply
eveyr time
so its a perma exsang
strange python
America is a 3rd World Country wearing a Gucci belt
City dependent. But yes.
hollow river
is just cutting the duration in half when you apply
Has 2P changed yet
dawn ivy
nah
viscid spear
Name one major city in the US that doesn't have some issue whether infrastructure, pollution, crime, or political turmoil. 
dawn ivy
going to test if the exsang rupture garrote stay exsanguinated AFTER vendetta falls of
strange python
Yeah Paris never has political turmoil, totally wasnt a close call that a neonazi almost won their last PM election
clever kindle
why ignore the rest of the world lol
Still convinced chinese outlaw rogues have different odds on their buffs
clever kindle
you were talking about rankings
slow marsh
Why do I have to use default UI gross
clever kindle
unless you meant guild rankings and not player rankings
dawn ivy
okay so the exsanguinate effect lasts after vendetta
so youre 100% going to be popping garrote and rupture right at the end of vendetta
thats new
strange python
Interesting
clever kindle
so now you just have to refresh your bleeds halfway through vendetta 
spice spire
So if you hit it on the last tick or vendetta it’s snapshotted?
dawn ivy
yeah
spice spire
Interesting
strange python
It's like discount snapshot ting
dawn ivy
it stays at 11 seconds
spice spire
Idk if I like that or not
dawn ivy
i kinda do
slow marsh
That's shouldn't be a thing
spice spire
PTR really gonna make me get four hours of sleep after 3 16s 
slow marsh
Bug maybe
nocturne geode
BUT do we then let the bleed fall off before reapplying
so all the buffed ticks tick
clever kindle
if you're snapshotting then yes you would want to wait for the last tick, im sure losing 1 isnt the end of the world but
nocturne geode
or would we refresh for pandemic
strange python
Assuming old exsang and Suff rules, you let it fully tick off
clever kindle
can probably just pool with combo points and wait for the snapshotted dots to fall off
nocturne geode
so if you refesh your rupture at x seconds its a dps loss then instead of reapplying for pendemic cringe
limber lion
okay so the exsanguinate effect lasts after vendetta
Yeh so my sources were correct
Good stuff
clever kindle
@dawn ivy can you check if it affects doomblade bleed?
nocturne geode
wouldnt that cause us to purposly overcap?
bleak sky
look at sub chat
nocturne geode
while waiting on dots to fall
dawn ivy
im doing story right now sorry
bleak sky
i'm
dawn ivy
yeah sub set is broken dontr worry
clever kindle
kk np
bleak sky
wtf is that
clever kindle
Anyone on the PTR that can check and see if Doomblade dot ticks faster 
dawn ivy
sub is giving way too much cp though
oak sky
oh yeah its proccing 5x in st right?
strange python
Sub and outlaw gonna get giganerfed
clever kindle
great maybe ill be allowed to play it
oak sky
our 2 set is getting reworked
deft vault
wait they annoucned that?
oak sky
nope
clever kindle
the 4 set is probably OK since its not limited to one set of bleeds
clever kindle
if they make the 2 set work with it
oak sky
and ive heard it as well
clever kindle
if the damage amp applied to bleeds..
oak sky
atm the 2 set is literally just a crit buff
so hopefully it becomes something different
idk
clever kindle
Yeah idk they could probably just change it so shiv affects bleeds too, thats better at least
deft vault
anything that buffs bleed is trash since they do no dmg anyway lul
clever kindle
Kinda feel like you normally have that option anyways
oak sky
haste from alacrity is good
cerulean nest
anyone have that link to Sel's forum post?
oak sky
but exsang is a maybe
clever kindle
Like you can squeeze out a single last envenom or get a solid pandemic refresh
wild hill
hey guys the sub kyirain legendry what is doing and when i use it i really dont understand
hexed frost
So if you hit it on the last tick or vendetta it’s snapshotted?
What is snapshotting? I keep hearing a lot. 
clever kindle
does that make the damage higher
or just open more slots to hit the empowered combo point
oak sky
snapshotting means buffs/stats get applied to the entire duration of a dot
oak sky
or just open more slots to hit the empowered combo point
well you get to proc all 4 so its like 3 extra 7cp finishers
clever kindle
and those are applied for the duration
cobalt pelican
does that mean you should theoretically be able to get a 2nd set of fast bleeds into the 2nd shiv
at least partially
clever kindle
so you want to refresh dots at the end of something like the vendetta 4 piece to get that full 'extra' dot with the same effects
oak sky
does that mean you should theoretically be able to get a 2nd set of fast bleeds ...
this is what i was thinking
clever kindle
if you take exsang your first set of bleeds would be 8 seconds and second would be 12 right
oak sky
seems like part of garrote and most of rupture would
cobalt pelican
gonna be really clunky timing wise cause you're gonna have to push shiv up to 1st gcd vend and then ensure your end gcds are garrote rupture
cerulean nest
ty
clever kindle
gonna be really clunky timing wise cause you're gonna have to push shiv up to 1s...
with my normal burst combo id say garrote is ready for a refresh right before vendetta is up anyways though that can be reordered a bit
oak sky
you always refresh a garrote in vendetta currently and also sometimes a rupture
slow marsh
I'm gonna need you guys to chill until after I get back from my appointment 
slow marsh
True
subtle tundra
🙏
limber lion
It's giga zooming though
subtle tundra
get duskwalkies and play with it a bit
wanna make sure, the 2p is only on the debuff'd target?
limber lion
get duskwalkies and play with it a bit
I'm not home so I have to resort to streams unfort :'(
subtle tundra
ah
slow marsh
I'm not home so I have to resort to streams unfort :'(
Unluck
subtle tundra
where's whispyr when you need him 😔
slow marsh
Kekw
bronze pike
Taking sang talent now??
slow marsh
I mean idk I'm not in too much of a rush to get in there just because it should be a given we get tweaked at a minimum
bronze pike
I had thoughts but figured quad bleed drain wouldn’t be that good
subtle tundra
Taking sang talent now??
Y E S
bronze pike
How good is it?
slow marsh
Who knows
bronze pike
Cause quad speed bleeds sounds fun
slow marsh
I can see potential if we can get flag vend down to like 50s but highly unlikely
bleak sky
it's been out for 20 min
oak sky
no shot flag goes down to 50s
bleak sky
who knows what is good or not
oak sky
we dont have the generation to do 40 cp in 12 globals
even with mfd i dont think its doable
and if we play subterfuge for damage its even more impossible
slow marsh
If you crit every single muti then you can ezpz
thorny nest
Hi, can anyone help me out with some tips on playing sin on mythic KT? My guild is progging right now, and I've been assigned to stay up on all the phases. I'm not exactly sure how to get the most damage out of the adds, and how much I should be multidotting, vs funnelling onto the boss. How much should I be rupturing/garotting the tank adds? What about the intermission adds? I have the second kick on both a tank add and a reaver, just for reference, and I've noticed that popping vendetta at the start can screw me over sometimes when the add spawns far away, or if I get the silence circle. I'm also not sure what the optimal way to use CT is. Is there a threshold of mobs where I should start using it? And if there's a ton of skeletons+spikes for example, do I just use it once to get the dot up, or do I spam it for more damage? Basically, any tips for the fight would be appreciated ^^.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W43krbvdcnyYjmpC/#fight=26&type=damage-done
Here are some logs for reference, my ign is Tykhe
oak sky
if ur on a far add rupture and garrote is cool, just use ct whenever theres multiple targets
close adds you probably cant hit fast enough
slow marsh
Hi, can anyone help me out with some tips on playing sin on mythic KT? My guild ...
CT on skeles then move back to boss and CT boss+ spikes
oak sky
everything else just follow your raid lead's directions
bleak sky
CT on skeles then move back to boss and CT boss+ spikes
being allowed to touch skellies
what a dream
slow marsh
Try to reset MfD on tank adds
oak sky
make sure you arent trolling by killing adds too fast in intermission and focus boss when you need to
slow marsh
Yeah just bleed everything pretty much and keep stuff up as much as you can if you're upstairs then during main phase just bleed everything and funnel boss
thorny nest
Yeah, I make sure to not tunnel a single add down. Is there ever a number of targets where spamming CT is more damage than just applying it once?
clever kindle
>being allowed to touch skellies
were using a strat where we put the spikes on a market a little north of where you stack the circles, just far enough so you cant get hit, then the boss in front of the spikes
then we aoe nuke everything
slow marsh
Never spam ct
thorny nest
word
clever kindle
marker*
slow marsh
You shouldn't have time to anyways
clever kindle
^ your CT damage is shit compared to the classes doing the actual bulk of damage on those adds will be
oak sky
like optimizing your damage doesnt kill the boss
slow marsh
Yes but that's not the point anyways CT is more crits for more winds into boss
oak sky
the only thing that matters is having even intermission pushes
thorny nest
With cheat, feint, cloak and healthstone, I don't find myself coming close to dying
clever kindle
and recuperator
thorny nest
It's just that, with how my raid's set up the fight, I can't really contribute anything more than just dealing damage
clever kindle
also condensed anima sphere or whatever that one is heals plenty
thorny nest
So I'm just trying to maximize that
clever kindle
focus on doing the right damage not the most damage for KT
Theres a reason the parses dont count towards all star score
thorny nest
So what would the right damage be, then?
clever kindle
Whatever your raid needs, we've moved my vendetta around from boss to downstairs add etc based on the damage profile we need
we swapped a few people out etc and needed more damage downstairs to meet the check so I just hold
oak sky
yeah the only vendetta i ever got was the one with lust
clever kindle
as long as you're hitting your timers and killing things evenly thats whats most important even if your CDs get decoupled
limber lion
Sometimes not
Sometimes you need damage downstairs
Sometimes not
You just have to play accordingly
thorny nest
I've asked my RL to move me down, haha, would save me the headache of having to think about stuff, but they said they've got everything covered. We're having 5 ranged go down instead
slow marsh
For me I was downstairs so I just ran obed and vendetta KT on pull Everytime and flag was enough for downstairs every time
Upstairs is ezpz just flag an abom and dot everything up and chill until rl says kill
It's really just a kick / don't die boss there's not much to it
thorny nest
Also, I've been noticing that my winds of winter damage is consistently low compared to the other sin rogue I play with, and not even just on this fight. I always do more damage than him anyway, but I'm not sure why that is
slow marsh
Matching dps consistently for intermission is the hardest part
thorny nest
I have like 44% crit unbuffed, too
red plaza
Yup damage discipline was my guilds biggest hurdle
slow marsh
Don't worry about your winds dmg imo it just exists there's not a ton you can do about it
sharp zodiac
No KT all star points shouldn’t really care about your parse regardless imo
red plaza
Except tell a mage to run Focus Magic 😜
thorny nest
Yeah, that makes sense, I was just wondering why it happens on every pull, and if it's something I'm doing wrong
clever kindle
Also, I've been noticing that my winds of winter damage is consistently low comp...
When I was necro I found my winds damage seemed higher as a % then when I swapped to venthyr, dunno if you're both venth
thorny nest
We're both venth
slow marsh
Also I would recommend you run Theo especially for that fight
clever kindle
same soulbind and everything? Either way im sure not too significant, maybe something with stat balance
slow marsh
And play obedience if you can
thorny nest
I've being playing dashing, I'll give obed a try, then
slow marsh
Obed is better since you're running CT anywyas
oak sky
is there a leggo vendor ?
slow marsh
is there a leggo vendor ?
No there's a crafter vendor
thorny nest
Also, how big of a deal is it that I'm not running MFD? I've been doing EP/vigor, and I kinda haven't bothered to learn playing with mfd :/
slow marsh
MfD on KT is kinda huge
oak sky
vigor is fine, but it's strictly worse in raid
oak sky
im bouta fuck around with the rogue set
thorny nest
I see. I'll need to give that a try, then. Any tips for getting the rotation down quicker?
slow marsh
I can't wait to mess with it so I can edit my post and say the same things but more definitively
slow marsh
Why no ct
oak sky
i dont think we're ready for that yet
last imp
i fixed my talents wahoo
oak sky
lmao theres a bunch of rogues in here
last imp
now i’m using an actual build instead of whatever scuffed shit i had before
lmao it’s almost as if this is the rogue server
oh you meant in the game i’m dumb
last imp
is there ever any practical use for leeching poison besides maybe pvp?
last imp
fair
last imp
ta da talentos
limber lion
ta da talentos
Puke
last imp
suffer
limber lion
We aint playing vigor no mo
last imp
i like vigor it makes me happier
thorny nest
What does the opener look like with mfd?
last imp
i also don’t know how to play with mfd
slow marsh
Unless we can get resets then I could see MfD again which is fine
last imp
just on whichever mob happens to be almost dead?
slow marsh
But with the move to haste stack I find it hard to believe we don't go deeper
limber lion
just on whichever mob happens to be almost dead?
No
Just press it on cooldown
Don't think about it too hard
The reset thing is extra
last imp
okidoki
limber lion
But you don't hve to think about it tootoo much honestly
last imp
i will try it out when i log back on later then
oak sky
these target dummies moving around is so annoying
thorny nest
So like, mut snd mut garotte flag rupture vendetta shiv vanish mfd envenom?
oak sky
no like how they shake back and forth
limber lion
So like, mut snd mut garotte flag rupture vendetta shiv vanish mfd envenom?
Almost, you would muti env after the shiv
And use mfd after the envenom
thorny nest
kk
limber lion
To get full 5cp value
limber lion
no like how they shake back and forth
Ah
oak sky
yo cev
what would the opener be
is it
gar snd gar mut flag rupture vendetta shiv exsang?
then refresh gar with vanish gar mut gar?
slow marsh
That sounds so fun
thorny nest
Im rerolling to havoc if I have to play with exsang next tier, lol
limber lion
I highly doubt we'll do double garrotes honestly
slow marsh
I'm omw home then the real degen stuff will begin
spice spire
Idk man
limber lion
But probably something like
Gar snd muti rupture vend shiv exsang
spice spire
I’m seeing some degen behavior rn
brave steeple
zoldyck 4pc
last imp
exsang back next tier? 👀
spice spire
You’re gonna have to go overtime for this one @slow marsh
limber lion
It's gonna be a long day when I get back home
subtle tundra
just... dont go home?
cobalt pelican
full pandemic garrote was almost never worth it without shrouded so i doubt it's really changed in any way
limber lion
Nty
cobalt pelican
maybe with the frontloaded bleed buffs i guess
oak sky
i was just seeing how it felt
slow marsh
I don't see exsang gets played without an extra bleed rider since it's just one instance of bleeds
oak sky
we shall see
slow marsh
Unless the 4p ends up snapshotting then maybe you snap reapply bleeds at the end of vend then exsang
oak sky
kinda depends on what our set ends up being in the end i think
slow marsh
Yeah it's hard to tell because we should be getting some kind of tweak. Maybe not the 4p but for sure 2p
I saw RC is broken right now for kyrian ?
clever kindle
If I have time ill test later, just didnt know if anyone was currently logged into PTR
oak sky
there may be some optimizations that can work
clever kindle
im still at work waiting on this canon guy to fix my printer 
clever kindle
the mutilate bleed
clever kindle
oak sky
sorry :/
clever kindle
oh well
limber lion
Doomblade bleed is super minimal anyways
oak sky
ep/ma/mfd and ep/sub/deeper seem pretty close actually
subtle tundra
the thing is that doomblade dot is the same as adding the dmg to mutilate, so its not like it doing the dmg faster adds anything
oak sky
im gonna try some different variations
uneven hamlet
jesus, it feels horrible to renew dots during vendetta
oak sky
but what feels great
indigo mulch
Vendetta 4s is legit just exsang right?
oak sky
is refreshing the last 2 globals
balmy condor
Vendetta 4s is legit just exsang right?
Yes, but passively on the whole thing
balmy condor
is refreshing the last 2 globals
Does it actually
oak sky
balmy condor
Feels jank as hell to me
oak sky
feel good- not really
balmy condor
:P
oak sky
but what does feel good is knowing people will fuck it up all the time and troll their damage
trim minnow
so basically we'll just be reapplying bleeds during our burst?
oak sky
we always have we just do it more
balmy condor
but what does feel good is knowing people will fuck it up all the time and troll...
It’s considered a bug atm, so dunno if it stays
indigo mulch
Wait, so if rupture runs out during vendetta you can reapply it and it still exsang the second rupture?
balmy condor
You currently want to cast a rupture and garrote at the end of vendetta
Because it exsangs the dot
oak sky
@balmy condor what ru thinking for talents
balmy condor
Regardless of vendetta being up
oak sky
ive tried everything
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> what ru thinking for talents
Same shit as normal
uneven hamlet
it feels so bad this 4pc ngl
thick sail
Whispyr, I wanted to thank you for your breakdown on the new assassination sets on wowhead. Very good write ups.
native belfry
So it’s snapshots?
oak sky
Same shit as normal
i think we play deeper
balmy condor
So it’s snapshots?
It snapshots applications yes
native belfry
Btw, does Theo mastery snapshot too?
balmy condor
i think we play deeper <:monkascheme:585734083590750219>
I mean with more haste maybe, Duskwalkers needs a good bit of juice
oak sky
ive been testing with doomblade i dont have duskwalkers crafted atm
balmy condor
Btw, does Theo mastery snapshot too?
No, the only thing snapshotting is the speed up
limber lion
Subterfuge fo sho
oak sky
and i have around 30% haste with the build i made on ptr
indigo mulch
but 1min vendetta is pretty cool ngl
oak sky
OBVIOUSLY feelcraft
indigo mulch
Depending on how the tier looks. sin might be decent for prog.
gaunt halo
Remember it's losing frost set though, which made up ~20% of the dmg previously
balmy condor
Atm we’re kinda hoping for the 2 set to carry the 4 set effect so we’re gonna have to see what the rework entails
native belfry
And we’d also have to drop all the juicy crit we’ve been gathering 
gaunt halo
Wait, did they announce a rework of the set bonus for rogue too? I only saw it for some other specs
native belfry
Nope, they didn’t
indigo mulch
I doubt they will :p
sharp zodiac
Wait, did they announce a rework of the set bonus for rogue too? I only saw it f...
Stay woke
Shhh
oak sky
ur delusional if u think they leave bad set bonuses in when theyre already changing like 5 of them
they want this to be perfect
indigo mulch
I guess i'm delusional :X
native belfry
ur delusional if u think they leave bad set bonuses in when theyre already chang...
Ur delusional if you think blizzard understand shit about this game
uneven hamlet
ur delusional if u think they leave bad set bonuses in when theyre already chang...
lmao
oak sky
it might be a bad reworl
rework
but there will be a rework
or something to make it useful
polar cape
This guy didnt play rogue for a long time
last imp
ur delusional if u think blizz pays attention to rogues we r Invisible dude no one can pay attention to us we’re too sneaky
nimble tartan
sin good for 2 tiers in a row its time for ur demise
limber lion
Don't expect anything giga though
oak sky
They will do something to 2p.
gaunt halo
I'm just hoping for some aoe use out of it
native belfry
Man, the whole thing is-this set looks bad even without sims. So the one who made it clearly doesn’t understand shit
balmy condor
The set is good if the 2 set buffs bleed damage
drifting cloud
whispyr is paid by big corpo (wowhead) dont believe his lies
native belfry
But they kinda killed the dot damage this expansion
balmy condor
That’s why the 2 set needs to buff it, yes
drifting cloud
lmao yeah maybe between expansions
balmy condor
You probably could get some mastery with the tier
limber lion
Yeh, haste was a dead stat for us
Then they made it affect bleed tick rate and now it's bis
Big haste gamers
Hello
Haste best stat
nocturne geode
big mastery gamers
limber lion
Only want haste
native belfry
KekL?
nocturne geode
now i need to farm big haste gear 
native belfry
I wish we could go back to haste being useless and building a 180% mastery:/
And random poison bombs killing a pack in m+
balmy condor
Poison bomb needs to stay dead
drifting cloud
legion pb was the worst shit ever
native belfry
Meh, it’s kinda useless rn, barely deals any damage
drifting cloud
now its just a garbage talent row but thats still an upgrade
balmy condor
Good
native belfry
I’d prefer it being an actual cooldown with good aoe burst damage
balmy condor
Legion pb is terrible
native belfry
Like 1min cd
balmy condor
Sin will never have good aoe
drifting cloud
native belfry
We can have a good aoe as soon as we get our dot damage back
limber lion
Ptr releases are always magical
nocturne geode
balmy condor
Ptr releases are always magical
Lot of crazy in chat xD
spice spire
Like TO gamers xd
balmy condor
Quake I’ll ban you right now just say the word
spice spire
the word?
nocturne geode
what TO?
balmy condor
Hey
nocturne geode
whats*
balmy condor
That works for me quake
balmy condor
You’ve never seen that before
hollow river
the word?
And he was never heard from again...
Oh is the entirety of 9.2 on PTR
Quests n all
hollow river
How are those double leggo/tier set sims coming
oak sky
idk if double leggo is unlocked yet
balmy condor
They aren’t
hollow river
oak sky
and its getting changed anyway so like
hollow river
Still curious
balmy condor
What about
hollow river
Just wanted to see how the sims use Vendetta n stuff
balmy condor
balmy condor
Just wanted to see how the sims use Vendetta n stuff
Oh lmao yeah that’s a whole while away
There will have to be APL updates and shit
See above
No
Like
The link
That’s my impression
Once the two set changes, we’ll see if it makes a difference :)
They will
nimble tartan
just give it a chance bro
spice spire
@balmy condor
viscid spear
inb4 Sin Rogue is broken af
limber lion
Could use a "bleeds deal 50% more damage during Shiv" line.
spice spire
Uh
slow marsh
Just make the shiv nature damage buff apply to bleeds
spice spire
We’d be hard gaming
fleet anchor
Could use a "bleeds deal 50% more damage during Shiv" line.
Could use a "bleeds deal 50% more damage
during Shiv" line.
😄
slow marsh
much better
nocturne geode
what if it made shiv apply its own bleed
spice spire
Seems a bit strong 
fleet anchor
Yes a bit.
Although on its own, it actually wouldn't be too insane
Too high but not by as much as you'd think 😛
fleet anchor
Bleeds are really weak atm
spice spire
Yeah but Combo’d with 4pc seems nutty
slow marsh
We just need like a 20-30% buff to bleeds across the board
gusty mirage
you have to pull some janky shit to get bleed damage to be decent
fleet anchor
the point of sets
limber lion
Yeh
spice spire
The 4p is way better than I expected. It’s not some Crazy Amount
But I didn’t expect much 😛
fleet anchor
Right now it's kinda just two bonuses slapped together
which really don't fit together
spice spire
Ye
fleet anchor
Bleeds are way too small of a percentage of our damage to make the 4pc all that great
So either the 4pc needs to be a lot stronger, or the 2pc has to make our bleeds a lot stronger
spice spire
Yeah that goes back to cev’s point though envenom shouldn’t be the main source of our damage on encounters. But it is 
fleet anchor
Even with this set bonus is probably still would be lol
spice spire
Yeah - it would. If the 2pc is reworked to more bleed damage that would be a step in the right direction
fleet anchor
Could be neat for them to try some idea like giving bleeds a chance to tick double kinda like SBS Conduit
If they don't want a flat increase
But there's so many ideas too
Lots they could do
oak sky
Right now it's kinda just two bonuses slapped together
this is what i dislike the most about our set tbh
a lot of the other ones ive looked at seem like they have a lot of interesting synergy and stuff
coarse vault
anyone know if we can get access to 2x leggo if we complete the PTR campaign? If so, how much of it? ty in advance
oak sky
wdym tier stats
gusty mirage
anyone know if we can get access to 2x leggo if we complete the PTR campaign? I...
no not yet
uneven hamlet
the 4pc tier set affects sbs dot proc?
slow marsh
wdym tier stats
the stats on our tier pieces
oak sky
the stats on the items are from sanctum gear pieces @slow marsh if thats what you meant
gusty mirage
no, it snapshots so zero chance it does
oak sky
its painsmith legs eye chest remnant head kt shoulders
its not actually the stats they have
slow marsh
o lol
gusty mirage
nocturne geode
oak sky
but anyways it doesnt matter
slow marsh
nanana there's a mastery vers glove
buit yeah i just assumed these are the stats on the gear
oak sky
not their stats though iirc
slow marsh
it will be static tier stats
which is why i was saying if this is it then it's a bit meh
gusty mirage
which is why i was saying if this is it then it's a bit meh
the vers mastery gloves are the painsmith gloves
btw
oak sky
as long as every gear pieces has 1 of our good stats we're bing chilling
slow marsh
being force to wear mastery on tier feels bad but yeah it could be worse i guess
hollow river
Could use a "bleeds deal 50% more damage during Shiv" line.
Needs to be 100% then MAYBE it’s viable
oak sky
because we can just gear our leggos and the rest of our rings and stuff around it
hollow river
gusty mirage
being force to wear mastery on tier feels bad but yeah it could be worse i guess
well we don't know what they'll be for sure
so
plus I'm sure they'll probably include multiple pieces w/ dif stats cuz they have a hard on for that
hollow river
What if we can change any m+ piece with stats into tier
oak sky
and once again, even if this was our tier set all the pieces would have haste on them
hollow river
And have any stats
oak sky
way too annoying
oak sky
farming rings and trinkets is enough for me
hollow river
and once again, even if this was our tier set all the pieces would have haste on...
Wdym by this
oak sky
since the tier set currently on ptr is eye chest haste/vers kt shoulders crit/haste remnant hate haste/vers and painsmith pants crit/haste
and the option of hands vers/mastery maybe
gusty mirage
Haste and mastery look fine
you look fine
hollow river
All those are just placeholders atm are they not
hollow river
Yeah
slow marsh
peepeepoopoo check
hollow river
peepeepoopoo check
balmy condor
oak sky
me checking wowhead
slow marsh
Its a nice change of pace
balmy condor
Subterfuge for sure better than ma next patch
balmy condor
Deeper cuts down energy so we’ll have to see if it’s enough from dusk and 4 pc alone
quasi venture
Next person to say this gets a vacation
I guess Vaefaenthyr is the way still then.
slow marsh
i want it to be deeper but idk mfd in flag is a lot of up front stacks
balmy condor
Might be a vigor early deeper later kinda thing
oak sky
is deeper not energy efficient?
balmy condor
Dusk needs a lot of energy
oak sky
hmmmm
balmy condor
Deeper gives you none
slow marsh
We dont even know how long it'll be for double leggo though
oak sky
do you think theres any chance that doomblade or dashing is the play?
oak sky
i guess with 2 set rework theres still a good chance of duskies
limber lion
Especially with Obe/Dusk
Getting decent energy from 4p anyways 1/3 of the encounter
20s every 60s
gusty mirage
"decent"