assassination

[limber lion]

Necro is 100% better on Soulrender and KT.

[kind talon]

for overall dmg sure

[limber lion]

...

yikes

[kind talon]

wdym yikes

lol

venthyr is more boss dam no?

esp on soulrender when ur lusting pull

[limber lion]

Not necessarily

[drifting cloud]

outlaw main suddenly doesnt care about overall dmg

[limber lion]

Also why does that matter?

We're not talking about best prog covenant

Just overall best covenant

[kind talon]

i was trying to talk about prog cov

cause sapzilla was talking about prog

[thorny pond]

If you gotta parse or die covenant

[kind talon]

on KT

farm parses u can play w/e

[rotund oak]

Cev is like

the biggest assa main troll

in history of ravenholdt

period

dude can prolly play assa with his eyes closed

diff lvl,trolls us all

[spice spire]

Why would the best prog covenant differ from the best covenant overall?

[rotund oak]

because many convenants require more intense gaming

[spice spire]

It’s not like any of them are over complicated to play

[rotund oak]

than others

[kind talon]

because certain things matter more on prog

and other covenants can pad harder

literally

[rotund oak]

e.g imagine necrolord spaming sbs and mfd sniping at the same time vs kyrian or venthyr

no comparison,necro is harder

[spice spire]

I find Necro the easiest

[rotund oak]

thus,harder for progress

[kind talon]

that

is just wrong

[spice spire]

Also you don’t mfd snipe on sin

With sbs

[kind talon]

the best prog covenant is the one that gives u the most st dmg lol

[spice spire]

It’s soundly worse

[timid cloud]

Cev would play Master Poisoner & Night Fae & crank people’s mains playing meta stuff.

[rotund oak]

ild mfd snipe anything,its a m+ thingy carved in ym head

😆

[rotund oak]

that means we pretty much mfd on our VDT window aight?

interesting

[spice spire]

Almost certainly not. Not everything revolves around ST, especially with x, y, and z comp. that seems to be a narrow take.

[drifting cloud]

for rogue its as true as it gets

[kind talon]

rogue is an st class

[spice spire]

Answer below that. Mfd on sin only works on venthyr ST due to flag windows. Outside of that? It sims worse

[kind talon]

thats your role in the raid

[spice spire]

should be

Isn’t always

[kind talon]

if you need to be necro for soulrender prog because the rest of ur raid isnt doing enough dmg to adds

[thorny pond]

I am an aoe god

[kind talon]

thats a special situation

but in an ideal scenario, which i base most of my suggestions on, a rogue will be doing big boss dam

[limber lion]

?????

What kind of delusional illuminati shit is this

"you're a rogue, you do st, that's your job"

That's the stupidest take in a while

[kind talon]

bro i stg this is the least controversial take ive had

please dont fight me on this

man

LOL

[limber lion]

Scurry back to #off-topic

[spice spire]

That’s why I called it narrow - not incorrect. The blanket statements are always pretty bad to make for that reason

[limber lion]

Legit the dumbest thing I've heard

In a long time

[nocturne geode]

im am a necro rouge always have been fuk venthyr

[limber lion]

It's so narrow-minded

Like living in the 60's

[hollow river]

Seli was saying something along those lines this morning 😒

[spice spire]

This tier was chalked full of ST with light cleave moments, so if you base it on this tier - maybe? But idk it’s a very weak take

[limber lion]

Stop talking Poy, you'll just continue making a fool out of yourself.

[clever kindle]

real chads level all 4 covenants to 80 to make unholy fucking transmog combinations

[kind talon]

yeah ofc im basing it on this tier lol

[spice spire]

In m+ in the here and now?

[limber lion]

Even on this tier it's not true

There are other specs that do ST better than us

There are specs that eo everything that we do

[kind talon]

holy

[limber lion]

But better

[clever kindle]

boomkin

[hollow river]

This is also what most people think

[clever kindle]

theyre called boomkins

[limber lion]

Rogue is not a "st class"

That's the dumbest thing

In existence

[clever kindle]

You work your build and spec to what your raid needs or you find another raid

[limber lion]

The mindset of a wr20000 raider

[kind talon]

cev rn in the raid there is burst aoe and sustained st fights pretty much

this is what im basing it on

most roles can be either st or burst aoe

[clever kindle]

That doesnt really matter

[kind talon]

this is a trend in the raid

[limber lion]

lol

[kind talon]

so on prog rogue is usually doing st dam

[clever kindle]

That doesn't matter if you need adds to die 5 seconds sooner and you've wiped 4 times because of it

[hollow river]

Yeah idk man

I disagree with that take

[limber lion]

#off-topic <- go back here Poy

[kind talon]

bro im not saying to not hit adds

like the fuck?

LOL

[limber lion]

A rogue's job

[kind talon]

yo idk how many times you have to be a fucking dick to me bro

[hollow river]

Is boss damage

[kind talon]

chill out

calm down

[limber lion]

Is to do ✨damage✨

Not boss damage

Not overall damage

Not add damage

Rogues only job

Is to do damage

Sometimes it's ST, sometimes it's more cleave heavy, sometimes it's AoE

[hollow river]

My job for almost all of prog was boss dam

[limber lion]

It's blatantly ignorant to say that a sole job is to do boss damage because it's not the case

[brazen zodiac]

sometimes u read tips and tricks for rogue

other times u read cev absolutely roasting someone

[limber lion]

Ya'll can live in your bubbles if you'd like

But you're missing out on a lot

With a mindset like that

[clever kindle]

By saying it's your role to do ST damage as a rogue it just feels like a cop out to me to put blame elsewhere when in reality everybody should be able to make adjustments to get the raid where they need to be, parses are fun but sometimes you need to be a scalpel not a sledgehammer

[limber lion]

It's completely twisted and straight of a Infexious video

[hollow river]

I mean look at sub cleave man

It’s shit

[kind talon]

bro

the whole point

[clever kindle]

but im just bullshitting about general stuff here not targeting you for anything

[kind talon]

is that you should optimize for boss damage

[limber lion]

True, Sub is bad on cleave

[kind talon]

on most fights

[hollow river]

Sins cleave is shit if it’s not sustained

[kind talon]

thats what im saying u dip

stop being an asshat

[limber lion]

I'm not the asshat here

[kind talon]

yes you are

bro

[limber lion]

I'm just disagreeing with your take

[kind talon]

you told me to leave

multiple times

[limber lion]

Yes sir

Sure did

[brazen zodiac]

cev kinda being based

[kind talon]

said its the dumbest thing uve heard in a while

"im just disagreeing"

[limber lion]

Correct

[kind talon]

read what you fucking write

clown

[limber lion]

Anyways

[brazen zodiac]

wait that doesnt seem right

[solid venture]

[limber lion]

Back to bleedyboys

Any NF gamers in the chat

[brazen zodiac]

me....

[hollow river]

Was a little mean man

[spice spire]

But that’s what I’m saying. Many people put themselves in that bubble, or the guild does. But in reality, whatever maximizes your damage is the best thing to do.

There is such thing as “needing priority damage” or more focus. But the big point is - more damage = more damage. If it’s padding and that’s causing a wipe, it’s problematic. But if it’s a needed bit of damage to help, then you’re doing more overall than you would just hitting boss.

Anyway

[slow marsh]

dang what did i miss

[brazen zodiac]

collecting those new soulshapes

[drifting cloud]

that mute was definetly power trip cev

just fyi

[slow marsh]

Cev preaching his NF meme again and making dekai rage ? SMH

[drifting cloud]

you told him to leave the channel and then muted him 2mins later

[limber lion]

It's okay, I'll reduce it to 5mins

[drifting cloud]

not cool

he did insult you twice I guess

[hollow river]

I mean my opinion is just that our add damage is trash, sure we do it anyway

[limber lion]

Already unmuted the man

[hollow river]

For more dam of course I’m not arguing that

But rogue is almost always #1 boss dam as well depending

[limber lion]

But yeah, there is no general "job" that rogue fills every time

[kind talon]

i mean ur not wrong

[limber lion]

Some guilds need more st damage, some need more cleave, some need aoe

[spice spire]

Iirc on on JPC’s first sylv kill they needed add damage so he went CT.

[kind talon]

all i was trying to say was that u should optimize for st in most scenarios

[limber lion]

It's not as simple as "rogue is a st class"

[kind talon]

i should have been more specific

[limber lion]

Yeh fair enough

[kind talon]

and said something like

[sour wraith]

Kinda depends on the add though, general adds yea but prior adds we should be close to #1 as well

[spice spire]

Yeah and that’s fair, but you blanketed it there

[limber lion]

All good

[spice spire]

Was my only issue

[kind talon]

yeah

[slow marsh]

Well if you're talking about sin specifically yeah it's rough

[limber lion]

Definitely don't take CT on most fights

[slow marsh]

cuz we have to talent into CT

[limber lion]

[kind talon]

thats all i was trying to say tbh

"dont take ct on most fights" "venthyr is a strong cd in raid"

[limber lion]

Yeah, but on stuff like KT do help your guildies out eith the tank adds

[kind talon]

yeah thats true

[limber lion]

Don't go sicko mode on KT

[spice spire]

Yeah presentation was wonky and it got heated

[slow marsh]

sin rogue just gets the short end of the stick when it comes to having a diverse dam role

[spice spire]

I do enjoy a good int tho

[kind talon]

yeah rogue is an st class is a pretty bad way to say it tho

when bladeflurry exists

:)

[zealous marsh]

we should have button to spread bleeds

would be nice

[limber lion]

7.0 pre patch Exsang?

[strange python]

8 times I clicked the tea today

[zealous marsh]

like you apply them to one target click one button and they are spread to all of the targets around

[strange python]

0 crit, fu theo, coming back to nadja

[limber lion]

Yeah, afaik the first iteration of Exsang worked like that

But it was called something else

Blood something

[zealous marsh]

I don't remember it I was casual back then

don't unholy dk have sth similar atm with spreading disease?

[thorny pond]

400% exsang was the best

amped with AP

and NS

[sour wraith]

And hemo

[thorny pond]

exsang into vanish MA window was peak fun

[zealous marsh]

imagine button to spread bleeds and CT not being a talent but assa basic

[thorny pond]

Thematically you probably shouldn't be able to spread bleeds.

[zealous marsh]

who cares

[thorny pond]

Like you can't give someone else a cut if you have a cut

unless you physically also cut them

[zealous marsh]

well then fan of knives could have such effect

you throw knives at them

here you go

[thorny pond]

If throw knives becomes meta I am coming after you

[timid cloud]

Not again...

PK in the rotation.

[thorny pond]

But yea if FoK had a talent to replicate all bleeds on your current target at a shorter duration that'd be cool. CT baseline

[nocturne geode]

what is fan of knives but a chance to miss combo points bc sometimes you get 0 for pressing it

sadge

[hollow river]

Still capped omegalul +

[kind talon]

[zealous marsh]

well in cleave/aoe situations would be nice you can have even 1/3 duration of main target bleeds

i would take that

as long as i won't have changing the target

it would be scuffed bladeflurry

[thorny pond]

A big selling point of sin is the way we spread bleeds

But if the FoK talent gave a reduced duration and maybe not energy regen component

It could sneak it's way in with some tuning

[zealous marsh]

imagine Ion reading this thinking "this actually could be good idea"

[thorny pond]

Ion =/= good ideas

[zealous marsh]

man assa m+

spreading bleeds

[nocturne geode]

FoK still doesnt even do what its supposed to now sometimes though? whens that getting fixed

[thorny pond]

It does Tech, what are you talking about?

You have to hit a target

[nocturne geode]

literally have hit it in m+ several occasion and not gotten proper combopoints

still bugged

[thorny pond]

you have to crit

to get more

[hollow river]

That’s not a bug

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s gotta be a crit

[thorny pond]

like you get 1

[nocturne geode]

i have 51% crit

[spice spire]

Or else only 1

Unluckers

[thorny pond]

okay you didn't crit

that's life

[hollow river]

That’s RNG lol

[thorny pond]

press it 100 times you'll crit 51 with it

press it once

well you can be SoL

[zealous marsh]

sometimes you can get full cp

sometimes you can get 0

that's life

in ma window i sometime have 0 muti crits

[thorny pond]

It's uncapped now at least and that has been a huge boon

[nocturne geode]

well thats prob it then

i stand sadly corrected

😦

[thorny pond]

sub's AoE is per target

ours is luck

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

Have you seen my KT parse kekw

[gusty mirage]

you played poisoned katar didn't you you sick fuck

[thorny pond]

No, LS, Shiv, Lethal P

[zealous marsh]

anyone with 0% winds of winter crits

[thorny pond]

and Lethal P is still 226

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

Yea that's life, also my renown was like 75

so it wasn't empowered anyways

[nocturne geode]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-omg-surprised-scared-kid-gif-18866710

jk

[rotund oak]

Any chad having a thrillseeker wa tracking the stacks then euphoria(and maybe fatal flaw 😛 )

[thorny pond]

Theo chads here mostly

[limber lion]

I had some sort of shitty TS weakaura

Straight from wago

[rotund oak]

that one is

barely a WA

😆

[limber lion]

Yeh, but you can make one via the templates

But without the nifty functionality unless you customize ir :p

[rotund oak]

yeah,did 3 separate

to track all

[limber lion]

Yeh

[rotund oak]

was hoping for somehting that tracks the entire circulation

[limber lion]

You don't necessarily need FF

[rotund oak]

the crit window?

why not

[limber lion]

Kinda unnecessary information, not that relevant

You know it'll stay for 12s when Euphoria ends, which is not really that important to track either

There's not much you can do with Thrill Seeker anyways

Like you don't really play around it whatsoever

[rotund oak]

true

eh

maybe

the FF window

with mfd flag

and all

but we vanish there anyway

hmm

u are right

[marble hemlock]

You don't hold CDs for any of these unless it's like your last set

[limber lion]

Yeah and FF only lasts for 12s

So you'd need to use Vend 8s prior anyways

To get full value

[rotund oak]

Im progressing mythic KT,kinda wanted to track all but ye makes sense

also

[rotund oak]

❤️

[gusty mirage]

can I maybe use the double dagger icon too?

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

ily my little pogchimp

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

[slow marsh]

K one app done 9 more to go jesus I hate this

[spice spire]

Best of luck

[limber lion]

Wtf

Man's grindin

Respect

[slow marsh]

[limber lion]

How high you reaching for?

[violet jackal]

top 10 or seppukku

[torn frost]

Sorry guys asked earlier no response do you use flag on cd or save it for when vendettas up?

[slow marsh]

Well right now i'd just be happy with top 500 world

[gusty mirage]

on CD, only sync if you won't lose a cast

[torn frost]

Thought so thank you the 30 second gap seemed massive over a fight length

[slow marsh]

I can't really raid tues/wed/thurs every week during farm though so I'm a bit limited to what I can make work since i'm looking for tues/thurs/sun type guilds

[limber lion]

Fair

[gusty mirage]

yeah it adds up, for like a 6 min boss fight you'd end up losing a whole cast of flag if you held it for vendetta each time

[limber lion]

Good luck on the search!

[slow marsh]

tyty

[oak sky]

Get the bag iceblades

[obtuse robin]

[slow marsh]

One day i'll be like Cev

Get into limit

then retire a week after

[obtuse robin]

hope you find ur rogue buddy

[limber lion]

You and me share the same problem which is lack of time

[slow marsh]

indeed

[limber lion]

Can't play this game at a super high level if you can't dedicate severals hours to it every day

:(

[obtuse robin]

thats what i told vit but she thinks she can be in a top guild while going to school and working

[oak sky]

I'm not even convinced I can try with just school

[limber lion]

I mean you can get HoF for sure if you find a guild whose raid times fit on your schedule

[oak sky]

Yeah

Need to put in apps for that

[nocturne geode]

yea i guess it would depend on what she means by top guild

or i guess your definition of

[obtuse robin]

she said top 100

[nocturne geode]

you can do that just fine then i agree

in the right guild*

[gusty mirage]

just don't forget about us when you're famous

ok?

[slow marsh]

lmao

[hollow river]

Too late

[slow marsh]

i'm not the one with the fire uwu emotes

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/914792478782144513.png?size=96

look at this quality man

[slow marsh]

It's almost as good looking as the real person

[kind talon]

true

[oak sky]

oxi

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

@gusty mirage

[thorny pond]

@gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

are you turkey people raiding today or done for the week

or well maybe you raided yesterday I guess

[balmy condor]

Tomorrow

:3

[violet jackal]

done for the week

[spice spire]

Raiding tonight

[limber lion]

Oh as in thanksgiving

I thought you meant turkish and I was flabbergasted

[drifting cloud]

[gusty mirage]

IS THAT BABY CEV?

[limber lion]

Grinding out runescape as a fetus

[gusty mirage]

damn

man was handsome even as a kid

sheesh

[slow marsh]

SHEEEEEESH

[spice spire]

Oh yeah we raid tonight, ryler

I was confused as well

[sonic schooner]

[kind talon]

my shits bugging bro

have to click his name to see it

[gusty mirage]

its because you disrespected our mans

[kind talon]

[limber lion]

[kind talon]

oh i can see it now it works

yay

[gusty mirage]

you're not my real dad

but fine

[limber lion]

Had to upgrade my pfp to a christmas themed one

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

its a cute little circle

[limber lion]

:3

Playing runescape on christmas eve whilst rest of the family socializing

[kind talon]

true

that was me but with league of legends

🙂

[gusty mirage]

not celebrating christmas like I always don't

[limber lion]

League didn't exist back when this picture was taken :'(

[gusty mirage]

better times

[limber lion]

15 years ago

[kind talon]

wait what

[spice spire]

old man 👴

[limber lion]

Good times

[kind talon]

wait ur old

[limber lion]

Wtf

[kind talon]

i thought u were not old

[gusty mirage]

pretty sure he's your age zoomer

[limber lion]

I'm a millenial

[gusty mirage]

so's decaf

[limber lion]

Very poggywoggy

[kind talon]

no

[gusty mirage]

but he likes zooming with the best of them

[kind talon]

im a zoomer

[gusty mirage]

aren't you 23?

[spice spire]

Decaf born in the 00s

[kind talon]

nah

[spice spire]

21 iirc

[kind talon]

1999

22

rn

[spice spire]

Oh shit

[limber lion]

Not too bad

[spice spire]

Happy late bday homie

[limber lion]

At least not 2000

[kind talon]

millenial needs to be 96 i think

or earlier

[limber lion]

My gf's born on 2000

[spice spire]

Ye

[limber lion]

Yeh

[kind talon]

so im a real zoomer

[gusty mirage]

it's nice of you to parent your younger zoomers

I think its adorable

[kind talon]

wdym

LOL

[spice spire]

Oxi literal boomer dw

[gusty mirage]

says the guy that's 2 years younger than me

[spice spire]

Aren’t you 32

[hollow river]

Ok, boomer

[gusty mirage]

aren't you over the age of 26?

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

sorry to break it to you boo boo

you're old

[spice spire]

No shot

[gusty mirage]

keep clinging on to the young feeling of that "2x"

how are those knees treating you?

or that back?

[spice spire]

All are great

Wdym

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

wait this one is huge you look like singed from arcane but with hair

[hollow river]

I’m 28 but I’m actually 20

[gusty mirage]

no shot

[kind talon]

i think you are the person in your profile picture

[gusty mirage]

you're old too

[hollow river]

Do you know me?

[gusty mirage]

funniest thing to me is my fellow millennials clinging to being "young" when the tide pod eaters already showed you that you're not young

[kind talon]

bro one of my favorite moments of this discord was default pfp notrickz in like castle nathria tier saying "i wish i could troll like decaf does"

huge W

[gusty mirage]

yeah what a thing to strive for

being annoying

[kind talon]

but u love me tho

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

I remember this shit too

[kind talon]

[hollow river]

You act like you guys don’t troll

[kind talon]

i was a little shit back then tho

[oak sky]

Bro

Me and skip are the true zoomers

I said it

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

<20 ez clap

[spice spire]

Wdym you guys

[oak sky]

School was pog today

[hollow river]

Oh you know what I mean

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

Damn near every regular in this channel trolls in some form or another

[spice spire]

I’ve no idea what you mean, I’m never trolling

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

I would never

[hollow river]

[violet jackal]

I would never

[hollow river]

Is you regular qualified then tho

[violet jackal]

what's the qualifications?

[limber lion]

More than 300 total messages in here :p

[violet jackal]

how do i check

I'm at 320 there for i'm qualified

[limber lion]

Not quite :p

[balmy condor]

do I count

:3

[spice spire]

Nah

Not enough

Bro you almost have 100k more than me wtf

[balmy condor]

that's in this channel

[sonic schooner]

[vestal wren]

rooky numbers

[balmy condor]

hey okay you had a head start

give me another year or two

[sonic schooner]

Fuu the real chad

[vestal wren]

haha, you are correct, i am acient in terms of how long i am part of rh

[balmy condor]

does anyone have more messages than guy

I doubt it right

[vestal wren]

you can probably divide guys messages by 8 or so given

that

he

writes

like

this

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

im catching up

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Could have been three separate messages no shot

[kind talon]

sorry

ill try and

do a better job for you

[vestal wren]

to be fair there are times whispyr is/was a lot more active than i am

he actually has a insane count for how long he is on the server

[limber lion]

Man has more messages than me

Bet 70k+ is in OT

[spice spire]

[kind talon]

true

[strange python]

the threshold for cf is 300k

keep workin

[limber lion]

Oh not even, 35k in ot

Not bad

[kind talon]

i actually help ppl

[vestal wren]

i wasn't rly active in offtopic for a long time

[kind talon]

i swear

[vestal wren]

but i have a lot of messages in ot

[kind talon]

sometimes i have fried takes

[limber lion]

I have #outlaw on permamute so I wouldn't know

[kind talon]

but most of the time in spec channels i try and spread good info

[limber lion]

Daz good

Keep it up

[vestal wren]

outlaw is the only channel i don't check frequently

[kind talon]

we need someone to be the king of the jungle

[limber lion]

Good

[kind talon]

and when guy isnt around

[jaunty steeple]

you mean the high seas

[thorny pond]

#outlaw -> that way

[jaunty steeple]

[spice spire]

bit troll mr. beach

[vestal wren]

gunslinger t22 outlaw pew pew

[jaunty steeple]

hell yeah bruddah

[sonic schooner]

Fuu, i mean everyone just @ whispyr for everything

[jaunty steeple]

@balmy condor can you confirm?

[sonic schooner]

Like, @ whispyr is assa fun ?

@ whispyr is assa hard?

[dawn ivy]

dont be a coward

do it

[balmy condor]

people have pinged me for dumber shit

[dawn ivy]

[thorny pond]

pfp is back. I am toxic asf. kick me from here idc

[kind talon]

LETSGOOOOO

beach is back in town patch 9.1 ptr trolling is a go

[balmy condor]

got a dm one time from a self described leveling speedrunner that wanted optimal pawn strings for a 7 second fight to emulate quest mobs but couldn't figure out how to sim stat weights for that short of a fight

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

tell them to roll monk and tod

then wait

[balmy condor]

and when I tried to explain to him that it would be useless since it changes all the time, especially as you level up

he got real upset

[thorny pond]

fricking moron

[vestal wren]

i got approached for somone who wasn't able to get his bot working with wow

[balmy condor]

that's up there

for stupid shit

[vestal wren]

was one of the funniest things^^

[balmy condor]

quick ban

[thorny pond]

Fuu, you seem smart, can you also help me cheat? Same thing as simbot

[jaunty steeple]

what gets me is people DMing for really basic questions instead of just asking in the spec channels

also happens in the shaman discord all the time

[thorny pond]

Some people are shy and don't want to be ridiculed

[jaunty steeple]

in general, not just me I mean

[thorny pond]

but also ctrl + F exists

[spice spire]

People get scared of over uh eager to ridicule people

[thorny pond]

and I wish they taught it in school

[kind talon]

i mean ppl have dmed me plenty of questions

[spice spire]

It’s happened to me a bit - no worries I’m always down for the homies

[kind talon]

yeah

its chill

i understand the shyness that they have

[thorny pond]

I'll always kiss my homies in private. Just don't be an ape and message me stupid scenarios that you dreamt up

and then when evidence shows you are wrong, don't get defensive

[spice spire]

All you can do is lead a horse to water, they won’t always drink king

[thorny pond]

They'll drown in it

[spice spire]

You weren’t lying, you getting loud mang

Respect it

Miss the ol PTR beach

[thorny pond]

Dude, I am all for helping people get better, if you are genuine, I will answer the most mundane shit. But if you come in here with some stupid MP/NS/Hidden Blade shit and then try to tell me I'm stupid

[spice spire]

Has that happened

[thorny pond]

Then you just @ cev and get them muted

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

It happens more in sub than here. Sin for legion used to be a fucking nightmare

[dawn ivy]

idk 34% crit in nyalotha has my all time favorite interactions in this discord

[thorny pond]

I am so glad I wasn't here for that degeneracy

I'd probably be on so much blow

[dawn ivy]

it seemed like someone posted a new video about 34% crit every day with how many people would come to sin channel DEMANDING information

it just never ended, the entire tier there would be multiple people a day

"I ONLY HAVE 32% IS THAT ENOUGH"

[thorny pond]

I need to just start permalinking good comments and link those at people who are over the top

Just don't engage them, give the info and move on. The 34%ers hate it

[vestal wren]

the sin channel has a reputation for being a bit more special ^^

[jaunty steeple]

dude content creators so often say something dumb or people take something out of context and come barging into spec channels with weird ass stuff

[thorny pond]

the 40-50% crit spread is the new 34%

[vestal wren]

well had*

[balmy condor]

dratnos still hasn't responded to my message

[thorny pond]

"I have 41% crit and 25% haste"

[balmy condor]

[jaunty steeple]

[thorny pond]

I want you to verbally beat his ass on live YT

tell him nobody cares about BDKs

[jaunty steeple]

like there's this ele shaman streamer who unironically said that he had some secret build that you could get by subbing to his patreon

[balmy condor]

sin 4 piece is 100% damage increase during vendetta

[thorny pond]

yep it sure is boss

says right there "100%"

I can't read

but 100%

[limber lion]

INCREDIBLY STRONG

[thorny pond]

must be 100% DPS

[balmy condor]

I actually apply rupture, garrote, vendetta the boss, and then walk away

so

he's not wrong

[spice spire]

Based

[thorny pond]

Hey guys, hypothetically, how screwed am I for next tier if I don't get a M EoN?

Plz

I know you have secrit sims

[limber lion]

None at all

Who cares about old content

Yuk

[thorny pond]

"Throne was the worst raid ever because it takes too long to speed run now"

[balmy condor]

great take

[spice spire]

Beach popping off rn

[thorny pond]

That's an actual thing I saw

[jaunty steeple]

[limber lion]

Actually a fire comment

[thorny pond]

I love shit stirrers

also stirrers looks like it has two many Rs

[hollow river]

Yeah ppl have DMed me for help quite a bit as well

Just kinda figured that was a regular occurrence and try to help as best I can

[violet jackal]

same

[glass tulip]

love dratnos but that video made me want to rip my hair out

beware of false prophets

they'll get us nerfed before we're even good

[dawn ivy]

waht did dratnos do this time

i havent watched and of his 9.1+ videos

[glass tulip]

basically as an overview of all tier sets said the Sin rogue one was going to be very strong, inaccurate estimates that the general viewing population would not care to check

when it appears like it will be the opposite

[thorny pond]

Yea now we are going to have a ton of fotm rerolls

[dawn ivy]

god dammit lmfao

it makes sense

he quit rogue like mid BFA so he still sees us as Shroud suffocation bleed gamers

[limber lion]

Yeah it's not exactly 100% increased damage like he worded it

Definitely not as strong as he made it out to be.

[hollow river]

Bring on the fotm sin rerollers so we can gap them as fotm sub players

[haughty escarp]

Hey probably stupid scrub question here, Does sin have anything that snapshots?

[balmy condor]

exsanguinate snapshots haste

that's bout it

[drifting cloud]

nightstalker

[balmy condor]

yeah nighstalker/subterfuge increase the full bleed

but even that isn't really a snapshot

[haughty escarp]

As ill just refresh pandemic anyhow?

[balmy condor]

if vendetta expires halfway through a nighstalker dot or a mastery buff expires it'll adjust

no no

you shouldn't pandemic empowered bleeds

[haughty escarp]

So if a bleed is applied with nightstalker/subterfuge or in exsanguinate window, dont pandemic them

[balmy condor]

yes

[storm onyx]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[haughty escarp]

thanks, appreciate the info

[limber lion]

np

Happy to help

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

cev I will fly to finland just to beat your ass

[spice spire]

You put an extra b on there, king

[slow marsh]

Big doubt

[jaunty steeple]

wait Cev is Finnish?

and he hates shrooms?

[slow marsh]

Yeah he's just finnish aka only a little bit of a finn

[nocturne geode]

no wonder hes big grumpy all the time

:)

[spice spire]

Nice dad joke Mr. blades

[jaunty steeple]

[limber lion]

I've never been more horny

[slow marsh]

Whisp irl stream inc

[limber lion]

Okay, time to move on everyone.

Let's not scare the newbies.

[last imp]

what is pandemic?

[slow marsh]

so how about those shivs

[rotund oak]

Cev hitting on whispyr confirmed

[dawn ivy]

I am sin rogue talking about sin things yes

[slow marsh]

big true

[limber lion]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[slow marsh]

bro wtf hearth kidney is too OP

[limber lion]

Requesting buff to or a rework of Exsang.

[limber lion]

A cheap man's bubble hearth

[cobalt pelican]

buff internal bleeding

so its part of base rotation

i am the saviour of this spec, thank me l83r3r

[hollow river]

Your request has been filed. We will work diligently to consider your request. Request #289,842 in the queue.

[slow marsh]

someone pin this so when we have to kidney in ST we know who's fault it was

[limber lion]

So you're saying there's a chance?

[dawn ivy]

pure but maybe this 4 set is going to work differently than we expect and will be their new framework for how they design exsanguinate in 10.0

[hollow river]

In about 7 years, yes

[limber lion]

See you in 7 years, boys

[slow marsh]

There is a very small chance that they just worded the 4p wrong and that it's meant to tick 100% faster instead of expire 100% faster

[dawn ivy]

thats what im hoping

[slow marsh]

And I mean less than .1%

[dawn ivy]

because that would SO much easier to code id assume

and actually feel good

[limber lion]

Why is that?

[slow marsh]

Well they already have exsang in the game so

[limber lion]

They literally have exsang in the game

[slow marsh]

just add poisons and there's your code

[limber lion]

You copy paste that

[dawn ivy]

theres no snapshotting of haste shenanigans or anything

[limber lion]

How do you know?

As you just said, we don't really know how it exactly works.

[dawn ivy]

im referring to the hypothetical

[slow marsh]

for 100% faster ticks you have to go to the haste modifier and literally just press (x)*2

[cobalt pelican]

i would be interested if anyone knows how rapid contagion works for locks in pvp

because i assume the implementation will be the same for vend

but i've not pvped in like 2 seasons

[slow marsh]

and if it's the faster ticks then we are back to blasting boys

[limber lion]

I can't wait for Subt vend exsang games

[cobalt pelican]

and i only know of the talents existence not any mechanic

i bet all my pesos on it working the same though

[slow marsh]

I'm betting my euro that I don't have on that we will have to give them ideas on how to make the tier good cuz they don't know how

[hollow river]

True and based

[limber lion]

Bring back shrouded suffocation

[dawn ivy]

i just wish we knew what amount of contribution they want sets to give

[slow marsh]

it seems like 15-20%

[dawn ivy]

i cant tell if it should be equivalent to shard sof domination right now, or if it should be 20+ like some classes currently have

[slow marsh]

it will be less than shards imo

[limber lion]

Historically been 4-6% per, so 8-12% in total

[dawn ivy]

yeah like theres no shot outlaw or sin reach 15% fomr their set right now

[limber lion]

But some are a bit over the top currently

[dawn ivy]

granted we havent seen it ofc

but like

[slow marsh]

if outlaw gets cp from 2p then it's already at 10%

[limber lion]

Just give us shrouded and we're balling

Ez

[cobalt pelican]

can't imagine unless they're doing full balance pass on all specs for ptr that the spread won't be massive to account for some shortcomings

[kind talon]

It won’t

No shot

[slow marsh]

let me dream

[kind talon]

But they will rework the 4pc before live

[slow marsh]

the one time i'd actually want to play that stupid pirate spec

[kind talon]

[dawn ivy]

yeah but the outlaw 4pc is ALMOST nothing right? like 1-2% even in best case scenaario?

[jaunty steeple]

[hollow river]

Lies

[kind talon]

It’s 0%

[dawn ivy]

lmao

[kind talon]

The outlaw 4 set is 0

[slow marsh]

i said want

[kind talon]

Nothing

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

Good

Pirate bad

[dawn ivy]

LOL

[limber lion]

Bleed good

[kind talon]

:(

[dawn ivy]

Im so glad there are other rogues who just fucking despise outlaw as much as i do

[limber lion]

Sub is mad chilling tho

[jaunty steeple]

why you heff to be mad

[kind talon]

This is my joker moment

[dawn ivy]

yeah even in the worst case scenario the sub tier set is still moderately good

outlaw was almost fun to play in keys and certain bosses in bfa

[hollow river]

Moderately

[dawn ivy]

and then they ruined BTE

[kind talon]

The sub tier set is bussin’ bro wdym

It’s fire!

🔥

[hollow river]

No 🧢

[dawn ivy]

im saying like if the 4pc doesnt interact with anything from our class currently

its still banger

[gusty mirage]

shrouded suff will be back soon

[nocturne geode]

TM

[slow marsh]

soon ™️

[limber lion]

Wtb ptr

[gusty mirage]

wtb cev comeback

so I can level my eu druid

🙂

[thorny pond]

Oxi Simping Cev?

[oak sky]

Ptr tomorrow please

[slow marsh]

[gusty mirage]

wednesday if it comes out this week

[oak sky]

Ptr wednesday please

Im glad theres a lawyer around to fix my wrong statements

[timid cloud]

PTR canceled until Christmas.

[slow marsh]

I thought I was in a random normal run for renown but it's heroic and junkrat is in here so i kinda want to stay

[oak sky]

Junkrat

Guy doesnt speak

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

i didn't think he was a real person tbh he's a ghost

[limber lion]

Whatchu mean, the dude has over 300k messages here

[oak sky]

Alright cev

Whatever you say

[limber lion]

He's having a 1-on-1 talk with Ryler in ot currently

[oak sky]

Hearthstoners

[limber lion]

Yuk

[oak sky]

Not my thing i prefer the source material

[slow marsh]

why is necro so weird

Sim wants me to play Subt mfd in ST as necro wtf

[spice spire]

It’s not lol

Uh

Link that sin homie

[slow marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/efKP1yDpZdyw9UcTNd73S5

[timid cloud]

That’s cap.

🧢

[thorn turtle]

My 222 necro rogues sim says it’s better to play marileth xd

[timid cloud]

If Cev was here he’d say, the only way we’d play Subterfuge right now outside of m+ is if Shrouded Suffocation came back.

On god.

[spice spire]

I’m running now

[slow marsh]

well this scuffed necro sim isn't lying

[spice spire]

You’re also running dashing

Cringe

[slow marsh]

yeah

im just here for renown fam

and that's what it said

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/geduM7EXCnNt5b7TerdjYs

Still running

[slow marsh]

forgot to pot and i'm pretty sure a lot of my resets were scuffed AF

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n7mrkXh9Ad2q6tVv#fight=18&type=damage-done

[timid cloud]

Yeah, my Night Fae sims told me to go Master Poisoner & Nightstalker...

[slow marsh]

and no dk for grips for mega subt garrets

[timid cloud]

LMAO

[slow marsh]

wait there was a dk nvm he just trolled

it's so weird not playing with flag though

get fukd @spice spire

[spice spire]

What in tarnation

I’m sleeping before raid

I’m going to get to the bottom of this after

[slow marsh]

I know why but i'll let you figure it out first

[timid cloud]

I found the culprit.

[slow marsh]

It's the combo of gemstones + IQD so much crit gets wasted

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k3TgLXMyWH6rk5XADtqACK

Yeah I figured it out

Fucking IQD

[oak sky]

Oh yeah vigor back too

[timid cloud]

Hmm...

Something still feels off.

[oak sky]

Just that hes necro which was the point

[timid cloud]

Well besides that.

[slow marsh]

It's wasting like 40% crit

[timid cloud]

That’s a given.

Just simply put on more haste. Ez fix.

[hollow river]

I kinda want to follow you on this journey but have many other things to grind first

[slow marsh]

lol

Yo should I join this guild https://www.wowprogress.com/guild/us/thrall/SDS they are offering me a spot

[brazen zodiac]

pog

ur call

make a decision then come play league >:)

[oak sky]

You should talk to them and see if you like them

Also consider if thats around the WR youre looking for idk if it is

[cobalt pelican]

why are you asking #assassination

[slow marsh]

Cuz #assassination is my council

[cobalt pelican]

concerning for your prospects in that case my lad

[slow marsh]

lmao

[cobalt pelican]

guild looks fine, long break after sylv it looks like and 'us top 50 leaders' is always a bit rough to read

if they got back to you within a few hours let it sit

[drifting cloud]

weird guild

[cobalt pelican]

weigh up your options

[slow marsh]

Yeah seems weird to me too they are a bit too idk

[carmine dawn]

Pretty sure they’re from stormrage ally

[slow marsh]

excitable?

they are stormrage ally yeah

[carmine dawn]

Seven deadly sins

They had like 5 teams

Tried to recruit me too

[timid cloud]

Wait, you’re not going Alliance, right?

[slow marsh]

They said things got mixed up whenever they xferred horde

[timid cloud]

You know what I said about that last time...

[carmine dawn]

No I already moved to horde

[slow marsh]

Na it's horde

[timid cloud]

Also Top 50 Alliance...

Bit of a weirdo mode one.

[carmine dawn]

They only had one M team and they were top 10 stormrage

[drifting cloud]

they look okay just weird they inted last boss two tiers in a row

[slow marsh]

I just can't pull anything on them cuz apparently some weird stuff happened when they xferred so idk they seem a bit weird. I just had interview with the guy and idk

[drifting cloud]

maybe they reclear instead of extending on prog

[slow marsh]

It's in that weird grey area where they could be good or they could just be weirdos that make it work

[carmine dawn]

Most ally guilds were actually running multiple teams cause that’s the only way you could really get clears in

But that was bfa and I think most are dead/moved to horde

[slow marsh]

They said they didn't have any boomies for sylv and they couldn't recruit ally so they xferred and wihtin 2 weeks of getting boomies they killed

it just seems sus to me idk

[oak sky]

Yeah havent almost all the big boys gone horde?

[carmine dawn]

Yeah only rae and vels guild I think are real contenders

[oak sky]

I know club camel was on alliance for a long time

[carmine dawn]

And they have a feeeder guild I almost applied for

All my friends are in it

[oak sky]

Sadge

[slow marsh]

I'm gonna trial with them tomorrow I think just to see what the vibe is like. It seems like they really want me and while that's a nice feeling its also sometimes a yellow flag

[oak sky]

Yeah just take it slow and if its not a good fit its not a good fit

[slow marsh]

It's top 500 which lines up with my goals technically although closer to the bottom and if everything that they said is actually true and not just a cover for sussy stuff then they could end up being pretty decent next tier I think

[oak sky]

Sin rogue tier copium working in your favor

[slow marsh]

They actually already asked if I play sub for next tier lmao

what weirdos

[carmine dawn]

Not weird if we’re being honest

[cobalt pelican]

it's a valid question

[carmine dawn]

Are you a sin one trick?

[cobalt pelican]

my guild is looking for my replacement and i told the gm to be rly skeptical of sin only proggers evne though they can be good players

[drifting cloud]

wtf

WHERE YOU GOING

[carmine dawn]

Plode pls

[cobalt pelican]

🚶‍♂️

🐱

[oak sky]

To off topic to make jokes about quitting

Apparently

[carmine dawn]

Ok we’ll talk once you’re done walking your cat

[drifting cloud]

also dont call me out like that plode

I thought we were friends

[cobalt pelican]

i said they can be good!!

[slow marsh]

Na I can play all 3

[oak sky]

Idk

[slow marsh]

If I had a dagger I'd probably be sub right now

[oak sky]

Why would world 500 care what spec you play unless its absolute doggers

[hollow river]

Ice blades a multi spec freakazoid

[timid cloud]

🚩

[oak sky]

400 ig

[timid cloud]

On that Sub instant asking.

[hollow river]

Cuz sub could be way ahead

[cobalt pelican]

cause it's relevant to know if you're open to playing other things

[carmine dawn]

You guys are insane