assassination

[strange python]

Like my overall painsmith dam

I'm missing something

[oak sky]

Uh dunno

[timid cloud]

Times maybe?

Or even just getting too many traps is also a big cuck.

[oak sky]

Im sure you refresh alacrity in 2nd intermission

[strange python]

Yep

[oak sky]

And build cp for snd before 1st adds

[strange python]

I don't think I did this week because we were fucking around but yes

Trying to full clear with buyers in 2 hours is rough

[oak sky]

I tried doing 1 rupture on a ball that lives for funnel

Felt ok

[strange python]

Hmm

[oak sky]

Not sure how many logs do that

[timid cloud]

I could see it working out.

[oak sky]

I dont have the gear to see if it does more or not

[strange python]

I'm relatively convinced KT and Fate are purely up to strat and RNG

[oak sky]

They are

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[strange python]

But I don't like that cop out

[oak sky]

No they literally are

But you can get top 20 while getting runes and grim portent

[strange python]

I am on far add kick in up phase, and on remnant downphase and often have to hold dps for up phase to push aboms

[oak sky]

Literally just never care about kt

[strange python]

I had two runes and two portents :)

I'm high prio for runes because cloak and vial

[timid cloud]

You get no add uptime there’s no real saving it.

[oak sky]

Yeah i am too

But i had a top 20 log and my gear was much much worse than yours

[strange python]

I know Eye can be tough based on add uptime and intermission DPS holds

[timid cloud]

Yeah. It’s common for rogues / paladins to be the first 2.

[oak sky]

Eye shouldnt be that bad for you since you have buyers

You just need to push right after 2nd add

[strange python]

Our Eye adds live an average of 10 seconds

Bigger issue is we regularly hold dps for 15 seconds on intermissokn

[timid cloud]

Not enough for the rupture garrote, rip.

[strange python]

Intermission*

[oak sky]

Yeah

I had a really nice eye log but we didnt have warrior buff

[hollow river]

?

[spice spire]

Cringe

[hollow river]

Why wouldn’t it be

[oak sky]

It wouldve been the highest log with no externals

[strange python]

I'm not positive what the sylv deal is tbh, I lose my second vendetta p1 due to stopping DPS, which doesn't help

[oak sky]

Not full value

[hollow river]

You get refunded ?

[oak sky]

Send it before veil if possible

[hollow river]

Just low cp rupture

[strange python]

Can't. We hold dps as second sentinels spawn lol

[oak sky]

Yeah

[timid cloud]

10 seconds literally is not enough time for it to feed into your winds if it was a full living one. Like yeah sure you get a bit of energy back, but you lose actual value.

[strange python]

We hold dps REALLY early

[oak sky]

Even with buyers? Damn

[strange python]

Yes

[oak sky]

You do it for the energy regen

[timid cloud]

Boomkins I bet.

[strange python]

I think we're like world 15 speed kills on fights without buyers on dam slams

[oak sky]

And just raw damage

[hollow river]

You definitely still do it

[oak sky]

10s is low cp rupture territory tho

Ur absolutely right

[hollow river]

Ye

[strange python]

I wanna fix the sylv and fate logs :/

Not entirely positive I can do much about sylv with current strat

[timid cloud]

Do y’all burn in p3?

[oak sky]

Fate just dont get mechanics

[timid cloud]

For Fate*

[strange python]

We do

2 buyer burn

Our demo and boomies are fucking giga (which makes soulrender a pain to parse)

[timid cloud]

You can get a mechanic if you don’t have CD’s & it’ll be fine, I had some really good pulls this with with Nadjia because of the adds too.

[oak sky]

Theres some unholy pad you can do on fate

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[strange python]

I don't think I've gotten a fate kill yet without at least one portent+two runes

[oak sky]

Always dot up the add even if you get a rune

Use your flag first intermission if possible

[timid cloud]

Yeah, since 10s until your rune activates.

[oak sky]

So you dont have to hold it

[strange python]

Flag held for fate because of buyer push timings

[oak sky]

Yeah i figured

I mean

If you lose casts like that you do less overall

[strange python]

Yell at sales person to find less buyers? Got it.

[timid cloud]

Are you running Obi or Dashing?

[oak sky]

But make sure you dot up everything when you get the chance

[strange python]

Dashing for most, obe mfd on fate/KT

[timid cloud]

Wait, are you doing MFD / CT on Fate?

[strange python]

Tbh I usually play sub for fate but we got baited this week

[oak sky]

Definitely recommend mfd on every fight but guardian

[strange python]

Were told we were gonna skip fate then did it anyways

[oak sky]

With dashing

[strange python]

So I was already drunk

[timid cloud]

Lol

The classic!

[strange python]

I'll run vigor CT doomblade for fate next week

[oak sky]

Hf doing less damage i guess lol

[strange python]

Sylv tbh is the biggest issue, the rest of the raid seems to be parsing fine

[timid cloud]

DOOMBLADE.

[oak sky]

If you run vigor you could be doing better on every fight

[strange python]

Ye a few DB logs cropped up on fate and I'm curious

[timid cloud]

I guess it’s for the adds.

[oak sky]

Doesnt seem consistent enough imo

[strange python]

The env damage based on bleeds is interesting

[oak sky]

Especially since his raid probably blows them up

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

Well despair adds will live longer normally.

That’s a real RNG moment though.

[oak sky]

You basically st the first one down then the 2nd one comes up as 1st dies

So dashing is still better

[strange python]

Intermission adds???

Ours die within seconds of each other

Or are you talking tank adds?

[timid cloud]

Damn, that’s a lot of damage.

Despairs is what I was curious about. I thought your tank adds would get nuked like The Eye ones.

[strange python]

We ignore tank adds to push for timing

[oak sky]

Yeah tank adds just get cleaved in my raid too

[timid cloud]

Especially since y’all have to hold for timings, right?

Ours live long enough for full bleeds to be relevant since we push for the 72% stop cast.

[strange python]

I can get two ruptures on tank adds

Before they die

In p1 and p3

P2 we blast the first one

[oak sky]

Thats really good

[strange python]

We had a wipe few weeks back where I had no mechanics and was on track for a 99 but...

[oak sky]

Just keep hoping for no mechanics

[strange python]

I'd love to fix the fucking sylv log :/

Genuinely don't know the plan with dps held that long

[oak sky]

Should be a 99 every time with yohr gear even if you play bad

[strange python]

We did a fast push p1, on track for 97, wiped at 46%, never did it again

[oak sky]

Im talking about fate not sylv btw

[timid cloud]

I had so many good pulls this week, but every time I was 12k coming out of intermission P2 someone griefed a rune...

[oak sky]

Everything lagging rn

[fallow estuary]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/94NTJJhSQMyjgdxtksnCGc

my gear is officially done for this patch

see you guys in 9.2

[arctic hare]

Nice

[spice spire]

Stat weight sim

[jaunty steeple]

stat weights

[timid cloud]

Phantom Fire?!

[slow marsh]

Stat weights

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

I mean

if you're just simming to see dps

does it matter

[fallow estuary]

not like i can change any gear anyway

[spice spire]

Are boosted conduits showing outside of top gear?

I legit don’t know

[balmy condor]

Yes

[spice spire]

Sick

[brazen zodiac]

Hi whisypr I hope ur day is well

U too quake

[balmy condor]

Empowered conduits are tied to your renown, which exports with your simc

[balmy condor]

Thanks :) you too

[spice spire]

Thanks homie

[brazen zodiac]

It has been fantastic I made mushrooms and bacon

And omletes !

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

I said outside of top gear

Cuz I know I rarely do a simc link unless I’m top gearing

[balmy condor]

?

[fallow estuary]

?

What else do you do?

[balmy condor]

Why would it matter inside or outside of top gear

[spice spire]

Just pull from armory for quick. I usually top tho

[balmy condor]

I have to ask, do you like mushrooms

[brazen zodiac]

Like shrooms drugs or the food

[balmy condor]

Food

[brazen zodiac]

Yes they're tasty

I cook em with soy sauce and garlic

[spice spire]

Tho it literally shows them empowered I’m just blind

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

U too oxi

Ily

[balmy condor]

You’re a light in the night sky too beautiful for most to see

[brazen zodiac]

I hope everyone has a fantastic day

[balmy condor]

@stuck knoll take that you mushroom hating potato fucker

[spice spire]

Jealousy looks bad on you king

[balmy condor]

Our numbers grow daily

[jaunty steeple]

wait is mushroom hating a widespread thing

[balmy condor]

Yes

[jaunty steeple]

[spice spire]

Actual apes hate mushrooms

[balmy condor]

A tumor to society that must be removed

[spice spire]

Idk about that

But they should be educated

[jaunty steeple]

I guess champignons can be a bit boring or something

[balmy condor]

I suggest re-educating them, we can make it like a summer camp thing, re-education camps

[spice spire]

Uh

[brazen zodiac]

I agree

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

. Unsure of that one chief

[brazen zodiac]

Mushrooms are tasty as heck

And u too cydone!!!!

I like to put them in my omlete

[timid cloud]

Can message me only when I’m in Korthia at 5am.

[balmy condor]

@wild lantern especially doesn’t like mushrooms

[timid cloud]

LOL

[brazen zodiac]

Omlette*

[spice spire]

Jez also KA’s sub rogues

So she’s kinda fried anyway

[stuck knoll]

Why would I ruin a perfectly good potato by fucking it

[jaunty steeple]

you can collect loads and loads of these tasty little treats in basically any forest here

[brazen zodiac]

Sorry sir I message you right now!

[jaunty steeple]

[stuck knoll]

also L + ratio + shrooms are nasty

[gusty mirage]

[jaunty steeple]

wrong opinion havers

[gusty mirage]

ronkles doesn't eat fungi

and we should respect that

[brazen zodiac]

I don't think I've ever eaten a bad mushroom

[stuck knoll]

@wild lantern they're everywhere in here

[stuck knoll]

it seems that way when they're all bad

[spice spire]

This is the one point I’m in strict opposition with big ronk on

[balmy condor]

No respect for mushroom haters

[jaunty steeple]

all mushrooms haters are just uneducated and have only eaten badly prepared champignons ig

[spice spire]

Whispyr getting to his German roots ig

[brazen zodiac]

We play ptb when it comes out ok?

[stuck knoll]

I hate the texture

it grosses me out

[spice spire]

That’s fair

[jaunty steeple]

like I said

badly prepared

[stuck knoll]

I can't eat certain foods for that reason

[spice spire]

Texture eating is a thing tho. Some people are really sensitive to things

[brazen zodiac]

Anyone else like eating practically charred food

[spice spire]

Ive a friend that literally can’t have anything nonsolid. Like jelly - condiments - nothing

[jaunty steeple]

I hate burnt stuff ngl

unless very specific things

but like burnt cheese?

miss me with that

[timid cloud]

Crispy eggs & crispy bacon.

[brazen zodiac]

Really? Hit me with thatt

[spice spire]

Crispy eggs

Hol up

[stuck knoll]

Have you ever considered it is just badly prepared burnt food

[jaunty steeple]

touche

[stuck knoll]

nah is only meme

[stuck knoll]

I'll remember that Quake

[balmy condor]

It’s war.

[spice spire]

About to get gray roled

[stuck knoll]

My country has a great record in war Whispyr I'll have you know

[jaunty steeple]

[balmy condor]

My country…. Doesn’t really

[hollow river]

[wild lantern]

the anti-fungal coalition must remain strong

[spice spire]

No shot

[jaunty steeple]

[stuck knoll]

We shall not let them break us

[jaunty steeple]

[stuck knoll]

Yeah we have only had 1 result

and it happens to be losing

[slow marsh]

Do we hate mushrooms now

[stuck knoll]

But I think we've a lot of spunk

[next solar]

so is faulty countermeasure really gonna be that broken? or is something messed up with the sims lol

[jaunty steeple]

no we love them

[stuck knoll]

If you have good taste yes

[slow marsh]

O

[spice spire]

Faulty countermeasure seems good

[slow marsh]

I am indifferent towards mushrooms where does that put me

[spice spire]

Don’t think sims are borked. It sims well across almost all classes that have frost

[balmy condor]

It’s good

[jaunty steeple]

makes you an "enlightened centrist"

[spice spire]

Worst possible place, neutral

[jaunty steeple]

[next solar]

even without frost set its simming high

[spice spire]

The only people who sim in my guild it’s simming 1.5%+ and they’re all frost abusers

[slow marsh]

Wait faulty is another rp item for me I must have it

[spice spire]

Ice blades RPing AGAIN

[slow marsh]

Like I don't mind them if they're there but I'll never go out of my way to have them

Ikr it's getting about as tiring as me punning whisp when he's playing my maps in trackmania

[spice spire]

[wild lantern]

Mushrooms taste like dirt because that's where they belong

[dense kayak]

Anyone know why my deadly posion is so much lower than sim (left=raidlog, right=sim). I use dashing.

[thorn turtle]

Am I psycho if I’m necro assa with cove leggo?

[limber lion]

Because raidbots combines the instant and dot portion of the poison

[dense kayak]

Ahh I see, ty!

[spice spire]

For single target, yes

[limber lion]

That's why there's the arrow to see the breakdown of the two poisons

[slow marsh]

Damn guys I need help

[spice spire]

You should be running Doomblade until very high levels of crit then you’ll see some gain from dashing

[slow marsh]

I just xferred horde what 4 days ago

[dense kayak]

I do have 40% crit

[spice spire]

Then sim the diff. For me it’s barely ahead of Doomblade - I’ve also lost 3% crit since that sim

[slow marsh]

Now ally guild rank 183 wants me. Do I go or do I hold for better offer

[gusty mirage]

in the world or us?

[slow marsh]

World

[spice spire]

Or worse

Is it the 183 best ally guild?

[slow marsh]

50 us

Idk I didn't look cuz it's ally

[gusty mirage]

the decision is entirely yours

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s on you king

[gusty mirage]

if their raid schedule is fine with you

[slow marsh]

I'm on the fence though and my wife is also saying it's up to me

[gusty mirage]

and you want to chase higher ranks of raiding

go for it man

[slow marsh]

So I need help

[gusty mirage]

biggest thing is if you're okay with raiding 4-5 days a week if necessary

[obtuse robin]

cev retired its time for you to fill that emtpy space

[gusty mirage]

for me WR 1000-1200 is right where I want to be

[obtuse robin]

and work ur way up

[gusty mirage]

because I don't want to raid more than twice a week tbh

[strange python]

Vigil? Vindicatum?

Trying to think what the us50ish Ally guilds are

[slow marsh]

Vind yeah

[strange python]

They're...interesting

[slow marsh]

Are they?

Give me the scoop

[strange python]

extremely boomer.

They don't like banter or cursing

[slow marsh]

I figured that's what the emphasis on mature meant

[strange python]

Idk maybe I'm just scum so my perception is warped

They always do giga parse strats though

Like 1 tank 1 heal nya so people can log

So if you want Perma 99s, that's the spot

[slow marsh]

Hmmmm

[strange python]

You'll get your week of pi/kindred emp simping

[slow marsh]

I mean I don't care about parse I'll get them either way

[strange python]

And you'll get almost-guaranteed hall of fame forever because alliance

[slow marsh]

But still interesting

[strange python]

Unless faction ends

Their retention is huge, so people clearly like it there. Just gotta know that their emphasis on maturity is real

[gusty mirage]

alliance guilds gonna alliance

that aint a boomer thing

that's an alliance thing

[strange python]

Xd

[jaunty steeple]

never had that vibe in any guild I've been tbh

ally btw

[slow marsh]

Yeah I don't mind either atmosphere tbh. Not a fan of the really cringe edgelord memes though

[gusty mirage]

I feel personally attacked by this statement

[strange python]

What tier? There's like 5-5 Ally guilds that are like this

[slow marsh]

I mean the racist edgy stuff

[strange python]

Like the ones who co-signed that "help alliance were dying" post on r/wow

[gusty mirage]

tbh most serious guilds don't really stomach edgy memeing

[spice spire]

Yeah anyone who actually does the edgy shit is hella weird ngl

[slow marsh]

It's a big misconception it seems that high ranked guilds are full of cringe edgy memers

[spice spire]

Any guild I should say

I mean there’s some for sure

[strange python]

Might?

[slow marsh]

Yeah there are comes with the culture but yeah

[gusty mirage]

oh for sure

[spice spire]

But it’s not the blanketing statement people make it seem

[strange python]

Reminder that Tettles was all over that n word dump and is still a senior member in might :)

[gusty mirage]

there's a lot of folks in higher guilds that treat it like a job

go in do their shit and get out

[jaunty steeple]

I'm mostly in casual 1-2k guilds, did play for one last tier that finished Sanctum at like 240 world, decided I didn't wanna commit to more hardcore raiding cause I was burnt out as hell at the end of Nathria

[gusty mirage]

to be fair, tettles is also a tool

[jaunty steeple]

so yeah can't comment on multiple high tier guilds tbh

[slow marsh]

Yeah that's what I'm looking for at this point tbh

[gusty mirage]

@wild lantern pinging you for kyrian link & tettles flaming

[strange python]

Vindicatum is a good spot then

They're a little bit boring, but consistent, good, no fuckery

Still blows my mind Tettles was allowed to stay

And still gets blizzard casting jobs

[gusty mirage]

he has no soul so he's forgiven

[strange python]

XD

[wild lantern]

I'm reformed, I'm venthyr now

:3

[gusty mirage]

[wild lantern]

I can always go back!! I'm 80 Kyrian and 80 Fae as well

[balmy condor]

And a bitch

[wild lantern]

you're so mean to me

[balmy condor]

Playing the victim

[wild lantern]

I did literally nothing and you roll up like biiiiiiitch

I'm over here slaving away to get this boomy set ready and you won't even heroic pug with me

[balmy condor]

Me cleaning

Thanksgiving

Angry vacuuming cause sylv no dead

[wild lantern]

yeah we're driving up at 8am tomorrow to my parents, no angry vacuuming here

[gusty mirage]

I feel like it's somehow Jez's fault

[balmy condor]

Every time she cheers us on we wipe

[stuck knoll]

you don't need him Jez he's a dirty mushroom lover

[balmy condor]

Can’t be a coincidence

[ember mural]

this was so true lmao

[oak sky]

Mushroom enjoyers

[wild lantern]

I get it, I'm just not wanted

[ember mural]

[gusty mirage]

wait a second

that's not crying

[wild lantern]

[oak sky]

[timid cloud]

Alliance is not the move @slow marsh

If you like pugging or doing anything other than raid logging, you will not have a good time.

Hall of Fame every tier... But at what cost

[slow marsh]

Yeah that's the only thing holding me back tbh

It wouldn't be as big a deal if I didn't just swap from Ally to horde. Swapping back doesn't seem smart long term

Like if I was still ally and it was just a server xfer then sure

[timid cloud]

The only spot I'd swap to Alliance for Honestly? Is Honestly. I'll raid upside down for that spot. But I'm not good enough to replace 'ol Nib.

[limber lion]

Not with that attitude

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

Just get HoF on the horde side

No reason to go alli

[slow marsh]

Yeah I've made up my mind it's probably not worth and if I'm having doubts already then maybe not the move anywwys

[gusty mirage]

some of us aren't good enough for that

[limber lion]

#assassination message

[gusty mirage]

damn

I got got

[arctic walrus]

Just get horde hof while being ally what’s so hard

[limber lion]

Damn didn't think about that

Very wise

[arctic walrus]

Just consequencei guess

[gusty mirage]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[timid cloud]

[bronze pike]

honestly

only go laly if you wanna play as a ally race or something

or can find a decent guild to hang and make friends with, but that can be said about both factions in all servers

my main is only ally cause my guild is cool and weve been together since early mists of pandaria

if it wasnt for that guild, i would have been a pure horde player

[timid cloud]

The issue is pugging on Alliance, if you got friends / the hookup for sales, you're set, no problem. But trying to do anything pug wise? Real rough, they just don't have the numbers for it.

[bronze pike]

pugging for any type of content as ally is..a pain. especially at the end of a given patch. soure people are burnt on current content but you'll always find a group on horde side. ally side..once its done, its done. gl finding people to fill groups on a raid OR finding a healer or tank on a m+

its really that bad...

which sucks..cause sapce goats and humans are cool

[keen mantle]

i see a lot of sins using ocular instead of phial

is that a thing for any of the raid bosses?

or they do that becasue they get a lot of externals and they want more crit

for frost set giga crits

[limber lion]

252 Ocular can be better than 246 Phial

[slow marsh]

If you have 252 fusion amp I think ocular + fusion amp is bis

Not sure tho always sim

[limber lion]

252 Phial is still the best trinket in the game.

[keen mantle]

i have 252 all 3 of them

[limber lion]

Just use Phial

[keen mantle]

the thing is if i ever use ocular

anywhere

[spice spire]

Oh then your go phial amp for sure

[limber lion]

Phial + Amp everytime

Every fight

No question about it

[slow marsh]

Oh yeah then it's cuz 252 phial is vault I'm dumb

As much as I cri about not having daggies I got a phial 2 weeks ago so

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

246 phial is almost as good as a gland w/ 100% uptime

for what that's worth to yall

[keen mantle]

only missing dagger

for bis gear

[spice spire]

Sheesh

[keen mantle]

or maybe a ring

from dungeon vault

idk

[gusty mirage]

wrong crit/haste ring

[spice spire]

Arachnid cípher ring

[limber lion]

I've not seen a single phial in my vault

Ever

[gusty mirage]

same

[timid cloud]

Only differences are like, Arachnid / Bloodoath vault ring

[keen mantle]

i only have arachnid 246

[limber lion]

I paid 3m gold for my 246 phial

Very poggers

[keen mantle]

thats why im not using it

[timid cloud]

At the start?

I could imagine it.

[spice spire]

And arachnid 252 would be the bis on rings iirc

[jaunty steeple]

my rogue's literal first ever vault had 252 Phial

[keen mantle]

mine aswell

hahaha

[timid cloud]

Rewarded.

[keen mantle]

BUT

but

i did 75 plaguefalls

before my 252 first week phial

it was deserved

for real

[limber lion]

.

[spice spire]

75 PF week one

Sir?

[keen mantle]

i was only doing that

nothing else

literally

my raid leader was asking us to do 10 weeklys for the vault

and he was like what the fuck casual

those plaguefall

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Make sure to sim the Remnant neck with different rings as well. Do 2 ilvl 252 droptimizers with different necks equipped

[brazen zodiac]

oh boy

[keen mantle]

@limber lion okay thanks i will try it

[limber lion]

Remnant neck simmed better than KT for me

[quasi venture]

Without gems the remnant neck should win over the KT neck

[limber lion]

And pretty sure it does on the bis profile as well

[keen mantle]

i have the 259 waist aswell

but it nevers sims better

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's bad

Soulrender belt giga

[keen mantle]

have you guys found

the perfect profile

for bis gear?

[quasi venture]

what is your sim with your current gear?

[hollow river]

Same

[limber lion]

Yes

[keen mantle]

with theotar 11560 (no windfury totem)

mfd aswell

[limber lion]

But I'm sure you can figure it out

[keen mantle]

on droptimizer ?

[limber lion]

No wft

[keen mantle]

or where

[limber lion]

[quasi venture]

theotar?

[keen mantle]

bosses without intermissions

[limber lion]

Using top gear and droptimizer, yes

[keen mantle]

i use nadja i guess

[limber lion]

Theotar is bis what

[keen mantle]

ye

more consistent

i feel like

[quasi venture]

have i been that off

[limber lion]

It sims better as well

[quasi venture]

the game

[brazen zodiac]

really i feel like its a bait

idk

[hollow river]

This guy does weekly no leavers no cap on a stack

[keen mantle]

do we agree on mfd in here or no

[balmy condor]

The only bait is thrill seeker

[hollow river]

We sim for mfd

[brazen zodiac]

let me cope

1 min

[balmy condor]

Hard to disagree on something that is verifiably better

[hollow river]

U

[keen mantle]

obedience is like 100 dps more on my sim but its very punishable if you fail

[limber lion]

Then don't fail

[spice spire]

Mfd is the truth

[limber lion]

Ez

[hollow river]

Hmmm

With Obe is there a holding threshold for vendetta

Vice versa

[keen mantle]

you hold like 10-15 sec more

for vendetta+flag

[hollow river]

I haven’t ever played Obe sin, just sub

[keen mantle]

obe sin and mfd is like hold 3 sec energy

so boring

but it sims best for me

[hollow river]

Wdym

[limber lion]

He's saying it's slow

Because no dashing/vigor

[hollow river]

3 sec tho? 🧢🧢🧢

[keen mantle]

3sec was just an example

of its playstyle

[limber lion]

Lol

[hollow river]

Mmmm

[keen mantle]

youre holding a lot

thats what im saying

[limber lion]

We sometimes pool for longer

[hollow river]

Yeah I know

[balmy condor]

3 seconds isn’t that long

[hollow river]

Shouldn’t be starved for that long tho

Like even on opener

[limber lion]

Wut

[hollow river]

It’s maybe 1 sec before your garrote

[balmy condor]

Opener is least starved so yeah

Makes sense

[hollow river]

Idk if I’ve ever not been able to press a button for 3 sec

Unless I was purposely pooling for envenom/shiv etc

[limber lion]

As you should...

You definitely never will have times where you can't press a button

But if you play properly and pool, 3s is very normal

Pressing buttons dillydally isn't optimal though, so you know

[brazen zodiac]

that explains ma parses

luul

[hollow river]

Same

[limber lion]

Not pooling is like 20 dps

Very big

[hollow river]

Can be bigger

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

Iirc

~100ish

[keen mantle]

with obedience oils and phantom fire sim better aswell

[hollow river]

By how much exactly

[keen mantle]

30-40dps

more than double stone and agility pot

[hollow river]

[keen mantle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/26tsmW2ywFk9Vh9U8jDny9

heres the profile

no windfury totem

[hollow river]

I’d personally run stones and agi pot anyway

Because the AP = more cleave dam on fights with adds

Cba running oils and fire for 30 dps on Guardian

[spice spire]

It’s really consistency too -

[hollow river]

Yeah oils and Fire are RNG as fuck

Stones n agi are just a straight AP buff that makes all your abilities a bit stronger

[spark scaffold]

I've seen some rogues run EP with DS, did I miss something?

[hollow river]

Nope that’s just plain wrong afaik

EP+MFD or EP+Vigor tend to be the combinations

[spark scaffold]

Yeah that's what I thought aswell but somehow DS simms better than vigor for me even with EP

[hollow river]

Yeah I have some weird combos that sim higher too

But mfd will be better on any fight with adds 100%

[gusty mirage]

and y'all thought @balmy condor was crazy when he mentioned it back in May

[slow marsh]

Like blindside vigor or what

[hollow river]

And on Guardian you play Blindside/DS

[gusty mirage]

he said "EP/DS might become a thing"

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

I wish

[frosty bridge]

Bs vigor

[hollow river]

I know he said it

I remember

[gusty mirage]

why on earth would you want to play bs/vigor? @slow marsh

[hollow river]

Was there can confirm

[balmy condor]

Yeh sadly frost set giga buff kinda threw a wrench into it

[slow marsh]

Ep ds simmed better back when we found dashing frost

[hollow river]

His guildie plays it

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

but like...

why

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

Vigor feel gud bs feel gud

[hollow river]

Because

[gusty mirage]

bro

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

how tf does he not cap energy

[hollow river]

They’re freaking pogchamp

[slow marsh]

There is no why

[gusty mirage]

@slow marsh DM me his logs

pls

[balmy condor]

For what it’s worth, cev simmed higher on ep ds as well

[gusty mirage]

I need to see this

[balmy condor]

Btw

[slow marsh]

Oh oxi doesn't know

[gusty mirage]

naw I saw the timeline

I want to look at them

[slow marsh]

Doomblade frost as venth too

[balmy condor]

And Ep ds is one of the higher combos for next patch

:)

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

Ep/ds our new added target build

[spark scaffold]

Sure it simms higher but is it an actual dps increase for raid bosses?

[gusty mirage]

@slow marsh pls

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

I promise I won't dox him

[hollow river]

Now we just need the tier set to make us at least as fast as sub

[slow marsh]

Calm

[spark scaffold]

I feel like you have a lot of times where you stop dps / wait intermission etc where you get to go to 150 energy and vigor can catch up

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

what dox you can find that guys logs in 2mins oxi

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

Sims higher = more damage 🤔

[gusty mirage]

after seeing this

[balmy condor]

Mfd is already better

So the 150 energy thing

[gusty mirage]

if anyone tries telling me CE is an accomplishment

I'm throwing up on you

[balmy condor]

Kinda doesn’t hold water

[oak sky]

Dont we have 170 energy with vigor

[slow marsh]

Play a gnome then you get like 500 energy

[spark scaffold]

Yeah we do, mostly meant to talk about the 50 extra from vigor

[gusty mirage]

@slow marsh

I knew it

my mans wastes so much energy

because of bs/vigor

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[hollow river]

That is

So sadge dude

[gusty mirage]

because w/ lust and dashing on guardian I cap energy because of the free BS procs

holy yikes batman

[hollow river]

His dps must be

Atrocious

[slow marsh]

Maybe that's why he plays doomblade instead of dashing is so he doesn't overcap

[gusty mirage]

would you consider 7.9k on guardian atrocious?

then yes

atrocious

[hollow river]

Wow

Bro

Ice

Please run away

[slow marsh]

Now you see why I'm apping already after 4 days

[hollow river]

How tf does someone like that get CE

[gusty mirage]

this is up there with that dude who tried telling a homie his "rotation was wrong" and there was literally nothing wrong with his rotation

[hollow river]

And my guild full of blasters can’t

[gusty mirage]

because all it takes is pulls

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

literally thats it

my group of idiots managed it

and in our reclear

we had a painsmith wipe with 4 people below a tank 🙂

you just need one good pull from all the dumb dumbs

and it dies

[spark scaffold]

How many tries did it take to reclear sylv though

[oak sky]

For us it happened once we got the skip

We had some issues with redoing fatescribe

[spark scaffold]

Fatescribe

Aka just put the rogue on second circle every intermission he has cloak anyway

[slow marsh]

1st ring is the only one that should cause issues and you just pray for freedom

[red plaza]

My cloak is always conveniently down from getting rid of bomb

[spice spire]

That was a wild one

[slow marsh]

Ye cloak bomb way better

[spark scaffold]

Not saying it causes issues but its certainly more annoying than other fights

[slow marsh]

Ofc it's annoying

[hollow river]

man im about to start apping to guilds too ffs

[spice spire]

Did you finish prog?

[limber lion]

I was running EP/DS back in CN already

[hollow river]

no

[spice spire]

Finish it

Or app, but say “im gonna finish prog” kinda deal

Big character ++

[hollow river]

yeah

[limber lion]

EP/DS kinda fine as Necro on fights with adds

[hollow river]

i don't want to dip mid prog

but man

[limber lion]

But feels ass on st

[slow marsh]

Yeah if you are already 300 pulls into sylv just finish

[hollow river]

400

[limber lion]

Assa will be miserable in 9.2

[spice spire]

A yeah EP/DS feels bad for sure

[limber lion]

Get ready boys

[slow marsh]

I love ep ds personally

[golden basalt]

we all going blue next patch

[brazen zodiac]

no plz :(

[slow marsh]

I feel it rewards pooling more and so I feel like I am actually good when I play it

[oak sky]

Yeah and then he does it without using it but other people mess up their runes and die anyway

[limber lion]

EP/Subt/DS/Exsang/PB

Get ready boys.

[slow marsh]

Yeah minus the exsang

[limber lion]

Duskies, Obedience

Hold Exsang for every Flag/Vend

[slow marsh]

It's still bad I thought

[limber lion]

There haven't been any sims whatsoever yet

[golden basalt]

if DS becomes the play im not touching sin for the rest of the expansion

[limber lion]

It's all just feelcraft shittalk

[brazen zodiac]

DS kinda cool

[limber lion]

Who knows what's good or not

[slow marsh]

Whisp was messing around with exsang at 400% and it was still bad

[limber lion]

Yes

[slow marsh]

While you were sleep

[oak sky]

Then sit out any st fights next patch for sure

[slow marsh]

Not saying it's accurate

[limber lion]

It's always been bad

[slow marsh]

But probs gives a decent idea

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

Everything is bad when compared to Alacrity

[timid cloud]

WDYM

Venom Rush was SO good in Legion. hee hee ecks dee

[limber lion]

That's why we need to get rid of Alacrity

[oak sky]

Lets see if our tier set gets improved on ptr before we jump to conclusions :)

[slow marsh]

I think we still go alac for sure. Even if we got vend flag to 45s we still wouldn't exsang

[limber lion]

Venom Rush was OP in Legion

[gusty mirage]

a fellow rogue of culture I see

[limber lion]

But Venom Rush was also on the final talent row

And didn't share a spot with Alacrity

Alacrity can die

Or better yet

Make it baseline

[slow marsh]

Remove snd buff alacrity make it baseline

[timid cloud]

Was VR last row on Legion?

[limber lion]

Yes

[timid cloud]

I thought it was like PB/HB & something else.

[limber lion]

PB wasnt a ralent

Lol

[red plaza]

DFA?

[timid cloud]

Cap, might be so long ago.

[limber lion]

PB was an artifact trait

It was made into a talent in BFA

[timid cloud]

Damn, it really has been that long.

[limber lion]

Just like MA was made into a talent in BFA

Mistakes all around

Unlucky

[slow marsh]

Almost like they just can't get a grip on what rogues actually want

[gusty mirage]

hidden blades was also a trait

iirc

err

leggo

[oak sky]

I think we want a class rework in 10.0

I said it

[gusty mirage]

cause that was my first legendary

[oak sky]

Then we can tell them what about it we dont like

[cosmic sandal]

scrolling through the comments, whats the tldr on the sin rogue 2/4pc? we happy or not

[oak sky]

Very meh

[slow marsh]

Rogue has no real spec differentiation

[nimble tartan]

true they need to combine sub and sin into one spec

[oak sky]

I dont think thats quite it

[nimble tartan]

it is bro trust me

[slow marsh]

Na

[gusty mirage]

omar how many marijuanas have you had today

[hollow river]

this dude can't even see his own screen

too much cloudage

[nimble tartan]

im just a visionary man

[limber lion]

Yeh it shared a row with dfa and mfd

[oak sky]

Easy bongcloud take

[carmine dawn]

Combine sub and sin and make a gunslinger

[oak sky]

No

[limber lion]

So an Outlaw?

[oak sky]

They both have an identity

Sin has a definite bleed identity and sub has the shadow ninja thing

[carmine dawn]

Then give outlaw a talent that turns it into a gunslinger

[clever kindle]

outlaw got the gat

[oak sky]

They just need to build on them better or somethin

[nimble tartan]

just combine the specs talent into bleed or shadow or both

[slow marsh]

They have good identity they just need more differentiation on what their goals are

[nimble tartan]

outlaw and trickster

[carmine dawn]

They need different playstyles wdym. They both revolve around burst windows

[clever kindle]

you can say that about almost any class in the game

[oak sky]

Not really tho

[slow marsh]

Most specs play around burst that's not relevant

[carmine dawn]

Just so happens thst the talent that gives an extra dance is BIS

So it’s like having two shivs

[oak sky]

Not really

[night bronze]

Can't compare two dance with two shiv

[limber lion]

But that choice legit lessens the burst lol

[gusty mirage]

you mean like quickdraw?

[limber lion]

Dark Shadow is the burst choice

Enveloping is the sustain dps one

[oak sky]

Sub is turbo dead outside dance

[clever kindle]

quickdraw and greenskins is a tried and true outlaw playstyle

[carmine dawn]

Is it clear I don’t play sub yet

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

iirc sub always has been since dance became a thing

[oak sky]

Sin is like consistent outside shiv but no dance is no generation on sub

[slow marsh]

Outlaw should chill out with the gats and get back to the swashbuckler style imo

[limber lion]

Let's not pretend like Shiv does anything

Lol.

[gusty mirage]

listen pirate boy

[clever kindle]

the pirate theme was tied to the artifact weapon

[slow marsh]

Imagine being a pirate boi

[clever kindle]

thats me

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Lets get back to it cev, shiv should make you get a poison bomb

Every envenom

💯

[gusty mirage]

oh boy

[night bronze]

That's could be lit af

[untold nest]

Outlaw no longer equips 2 1h but a 1h and a gun…???

[gusty mirage]

back to "get 3 envenoms into toxic blade" window gameplay

my favorite

[clever kindle]

I wish it was that way, actually

but having a slot no other class can drop is kinda ass

[carmine dawn]

Bring back legion PB with insane RNG

[limber lion]

Lmao only 3?

[gusty mirage]

I was a mere peasant

[carmine dawn]

Incredible emote

[gusty mirage]

if you think that's incredible

I'm about to blow your mind in about a week

[oak sky]

That could be a decent tier set tbh

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

A bunch of the other ones work with talents

Your bleeds and poisons have increased crit in shiv-> your envenoms in shiv give you poison bomb

[limber lion]

Skip

[oak sky]

Boom banger tier

[limber lion]

Skip

[timid cloud]

SHEESH

https://i.gyazo.com/1d1f6408d9d91547e8f081a23c625fba.png

What a mess.

[limber lion]

More bleed/poison/dot shit

No more of this envenom bullshit

[carmine dawn]

The fuck is that

[limber lion]

Legion talents

[balmy condor]

Wod

[timid cloud]

Legion talents.

[balmy condor]

Wel

Yeh

[timid cloud]

Real cringe shit.

[carmine dawn]

Mfd was 100?

[balmy condor]

Wod to legion

[carmine dawn]

Gross

[slow marsh]

WTF kind of name is thuggee

[limber lion]

[timid cloud]

Blood Sweat is funny to me.

[balmy condor]

Blood sweat was a legion alpha talent that was supposed to spread your bleeds to everything in an area

[oak sky]

Omg

[timid cloud]

Ye olden CT.

[carmine dawn]

Sounds fun

[slow marsh]

Isn't that just blood boil or whatever

[limber lion]

Until they reworked it to Exsang

At 400%

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[oak sky]

Gimme some blood sweat n tears

[limber lion]

Sad times

[carmine dawn]

Cev are you coming back in 10.0

[limber lion]

Idk

Maybe

[carmine dawn]

[limber lion]

I mean I'm here

Wassup

[drifting cloud]

theres no 10.0 jake wake up sheeple

[slow marsh]

Planning for 2023 already

[balmy condor]

Cev just wants his red name back

[nimble tartan]

who playing rogue in the arcane league mmo

[limber lion]

It's World of Warcraft 2

[clever kindle]

wow 2 after the jailer destroys the engine of creation

or we become starcraft because azeroth dies or something

[limber lion]

Nty green is cuter after all

[balmy condor]

Wasn’t a question

[limber lion]

Bye guys

[slow marsh]

Get his ass

[limber lion]

Been a good run

[clever kindle]

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

Damn did i see cev's whole community figure lifespan

Its over today

[balmy condor]

You must give them someone to hate, a villain, so they may recover from the grief

[oak sky]

🤡 👿

And that was cev's joker moment

[gusty mirage]

I think he already started with the toxic onslaught nonsense

[carmine dawn]

RHs villian is skips zoomer crew

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Excuse you

[oak sky]

SHEEEEEEESH

[gusty mirage]

God I've never agreed with something so much in my life

[slow marsh]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

Don’t say it too loud they see everything chat doesn’t move fast enough for them

[gusty mirage]

sorry

[nimble tartan]

thats true

[slow marsh]

POG

[oak sky]

Chat moving so fast nobody will realize i play the boomer spec

[limber lion]

No that's blushtips

[nimble tartan]

i recruited skip cause i knew he was a midmaxer

[clever kindle]

unholy dk?

[gusty mirage]

not this shit again

[slow marsh]

Where dis

[oak sky]

<midmax>

[nimble tartan]

lol some people just like doing the minimum but i do more

[limber lion]

I just maxmax

[gusty mirage]

^

this is the way

[limber lion]

There is no other way

[carmine dawn]

I prefer jakejake

[gusty mirage]

omr being a peasant

[oak sky]

I shouldve changed my name to Agreon <turkey szn>

Couldve been goated

[gusty mirage]

pls don't make me hate you

[nimble tartan]

buddha said nobody is perfect

[limber lion]

@thorny pond

[oak sky]

Good thing i lived after buddha

[gusty mirage]

uh oh

[oak sky]

😎

[thorny pond]

I guess I said a bad word

[gusty mirage]

did beach get filtered?

[thorny pond]

Idk

[limber lion]

Yep

[thorny pond]

Damn

[gusty mirage]

that reformed image is unraveling

[thorny pond]

It wasn’t even bad

I mean in this context

[gusty mirage]

the return of ?

[thorny pond]

I understand why it’s banned

[oak sky]

Evil beach arc

[slow marsh]

The reverse redemption arc

[thorny pond]

If they don’t buff this 4pc I’m going scientist Patrick

[carmine dawn]

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

Prof G Patrick

[limber lion]

5 hours until alarm rings

[gusty mirage]

unbeknownst to everyone, Beach is actually a gamer

[limber lion]

And I can't sleep

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion get some sleep ffs

[limber lion]

I hate sleeping

[carmine dawn]

Go to bed

[gusty mirage]

apparently yes you do

[oak sky]

👨‍🔬 ⭐

[limber lion]

I am in bed :'(

[thorny pond]

You can live on vyvance and black coffee Cev

[gusty mirage]

it's because you're not in @balmy condor 's bed

[slow marsh]

He has to enjoy these last minutes with a green name

[limber lion]

Big true

[timid cloud]

Cev too busy thinking about the state of rogue, keeps him up at night.

[limber lion]

If only Whispyr could tie his arms around me and keep me safe and warm

[thorny pond]

Top two melee specs are rogue but still no sleep

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

It's a package deal, mind you

[oak sky]

🚀 🌕

[limber lion]

One NA boy, all the NA boys

[thorny pond]

You’re the Cheese in this ham and cheese sandwich

[slow marsh]

Jokes on you I don't live in NA, I live in Idaho