i did it on like 5 characters for 3 weeks
#assassination
oak sky
balmy condor
bruh
oak sky
i still have a couple alts sitting there
thorny pond
The people who scope out like TLProto back in the day
bronze pike
i mean i could probably get CE if i wanted to, just real life and school and personal stuff gets in the way
drifting cloud
thorny pond
i mean i could probably get CE if i wanted to, just real life and school and per...
Yea that’s part of the challenge is time
bronze pike
which adds to the factor to CE
oak sky
last tier i thought i wouldnt have time for a guild but here i am ce
bronze pike
mhm
bronze pike
both my ally guild and horde guild downed M rem and started progging on soulrender
so half way there
drifting cloud
sure you are 
bronze pike
grats whispyr :)
oak sky
HYPERS
drifting cloud
best?
bronze pike
the issue is, they moved raid day from sat sun morning to friday night and sat morning
balmy condor
56% platform 4 boutta lust+pot+double venth boomkin ass blast
bronze pike
which isnt..ideal for me, friday night
drifting cloud
my friend a guild that is progging soulrender in november isnt getting ce
bronze pike
i mean clearly lol
bronze pike
im talking about rl factors that effect prog
balmy condor
oak sky
shit happens whispyr
we wouldve killed a day earlier but our warlock stood in the group with death knives
bronze pike
we have no intentions on aiming for CE with 9.2 next year
balmy condor
4th at 56% without lust, without pots, and with the entire raid's cooldowns coming up?
I think we can burn 10% in 45 seconds
drifting cloud
its enough its just not a free kill
drifting cloud
drifting cloud
do you raid wednesday
balmy condor
we're tues/thurs
oak sky
idk if we do it this week
bronze pike
you got it whisper
oak sky
but we might next week since we get skip
bronze pike
thats def a sure kill
drifting cloud
I just checked on our 1st kill we went p4 55.5% she died 1s into raze cast
drifting cloud
oak sky
yeah
drifting cloud
I mean the dps "check" on her starts in p2
its just not a hard one :p
doesnt start on platform 4 lol
oak sky
we had 45.1 wipe once
drifting cloud
we had 44.6% wipe
balmy condor
drifting cloud
sometimes she just doesnt wanna die
funny thing is it wasnt even the spell queing because she was that low before raze
we just fucked up arrows
balmy condor
if I do less than 10k dps @strange python will wake me up in my sleep and spit on me
drifting cloud
doubt you have gear to do 10k
oak sky
sub rogues
balmy condor
except that push looked at my logs and found out that I'm actually bad
cause I play PV but I don't PLAY pv
ya know
oak sky
do you have to sync your backstab with something
balmy condor
you have to backstab after every dance
oak sky
you always do that don't you?
balmy condor
no
oak sky
ok
oak sky
im just hoping we actually get a rekill in tomorrow
balmy condor
Demo Lock has pets on passive???
He died on second platform
timid cloud
LOL
balmy condor
You can see the active time
timid cloud
We had that happen to ours, something something burning rush eating 200k wave damage...same time...same place for 10+ pulls...
But that ain't none of my business...
hollow escarp
We had that happen to ours, something something burning rush eating 200k wave da...
burning rush instead of dark pact? 
timid cloud
Oh, I thought you meant like p2
balmy condor
cant believe ur not playing assa whispyr
Depending on what happens with the tier set I won’t play it next patch either
balmy condor
it’s a bit aggressive
oak sky
@balmy condor i loved how you randomly shit on half the rogue talents in a routine dps thread a few weeks back
balmy condor
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> i loved how you randomly shit on half the rogue talents i...
This was the prompt I got
And I was like uhhhhhhh
9.1.5 didn’t impact it
At all
0 changes
What do
fathom swift
was this for the weekly wcl post?
balmy condor
And he’s like “idk talk about things”
oak sky
yeah it was a banger
balmy condor
So I just wrote a paragraph shitting on talents
fathom swift
theyre pretty good about letting you write whatever you want
fathom swift
yeah there was just very heated discussion at the start of the tier about it
fathom swift
😦
oak sky
ret is sick
oak sky
wowhead 
balmy condor
What site was that for?
Bolas is the ret writer
fathom swift
at least ret has a real tier set next tier
hollow river
I mean the sin thing, with the guy messaging you
oak sky
yeah it looks really fun to me
balmy condor
at least ret has a real tier set next tier
Just you wait 
oak sky
i might play some ret as an alt
balmy condor
I mean the sin thing, with the guy messaging you
Oh yeah that’s wowhead
balmy condor
Anshlun is guide writer manager person
fathom swift
Just you wait <:whispyrcopium:886806703323090974>
yeah I could see it getting hit a bit
balmy condor
Every % loss of the ret tier gets injected directly into sin tier
hollow river
I’m making a warlock
balmy condor
Conservation of energy
hollow river
Every % loss of the ret tier gets injected directly into sin tier
Spam report spam report
balmy condor
Cannot create or destroy dps
oak sky
ret still has a cool one even if its nerfed a little right?
fathom swift
idk if theres enough there for 2 decent sets tho...
oak sky
resetting wake sounds fun
balmy condor
idk if theres enough there for 2 decent sets tho...
We steal from mages
And shamans
fathom swift
yeah fuck fire
oak sky
rsham
fathom swift
all my homies hate ranged players
hollow river
All my homies hate FoTM
bronze pike
as a ret paladin main, i am super excited for new tier set lol
balmy condor
All my homies hate FoTM
Mage legit fotm for 4 expacs
bronze pike
shoving a second wake of ashes into our 1 min burst is gonna be super fun
hollow river
Tricks of the trade all mages and boomkin a
oak sky
arcane intellect, alter time, ice block
hollow river
Nah they’re ok in my book
oak sky
warlock and mage are the raid hero classes
hollow river
You only want 1 in your raid
oak sky
how is warlock ok
oak sky
you definitely stack 2 demo if you have it
oak sky
wheelchairing himself :/
hollow river
Yep
balmy condor
Wait that’s ret
oak sky
grip is cool on soulrender
hollow river
He’s better at dk tho
balmy condor
I thought we moved passed that
bronze pike
ret is indeed
hollow river
We’re trialing another rogue
bronze pike
a wheelchair with boosters
cause if you aint running horse conduit and talent, then your just crippling yourself
fathom swift
just play night fae ret
bronze pike
might be a thing next patch
fully indulge in the rng, nf lego, final verdict, summer yourself final reck, destroy
i think rextroy did it already but with frogs for extra cheese
fathom swift
lost me at summer yourself, that's a boomkin cd
hollow river
I wonder how many boomkins will actually be made to play kyrian
oak sky
0
balmy condor
lost me at summer yourself, that's a boomkin cd
The externals giveth and the externals taketh away
oak sky
just have bear instead
fathom swift
i hope they all do
hollow river
Kyrian for fire mage
oak sky
or casual guilds play rdruid i guess
hollow river
I mean for sure there will be at least a tank or healer
oak sky
i kinda doubt we see rdruid
bronze pike
you bless yourself, nf lego doubles it so you have a 80% to do 60% additional damage as holy. final reck increases holy damage by 150% stack like 40% mastery, serap to push you to 50+% mastery, wings. wing the lottery
hollow river
But tbh idk if I see venth boomie in the race
balmy condor
That kindred is dogshit on sub
hollow river
Lmfao
balmy condor
I will scream about it on every wowhead article until it gets buffed
bronze pike
its a given alot of tier sets are ognna get buffed and balanced
balmy condor
Mage tower guide boutta have a section on buffing tier set
bronze pike
its the first ptr build
hollow river
Mage tower guide boutta have a section on buffing tier set
Does blizzard read wowhead
oak sky
kojis dms
hollow river
We just need someone from the community to get into the new feedback group
balmy condor
The feedback thing is bait most likely
oak sky
foreverguy 
balmy condor
Don’t think they’ll actually make changes because of what mr 300 mount andy says in a thread
oak sky
maybe not
but at least we know they saw what 300 mount andy said
yeah but
i hope you or guy get a spot
and/ or
oak sky
i dont
hollow river
Except boomkin
oak sky
i just hope each discord gets at least a rep or 2
hollow river
Because they will cry until they’re bis again
hollow river
I know
fathom swift
I hope every CF+ from every class discord gets a spot
haha
hollow river
Kinda fucked if u ask me
balmy condor
Man looks at venth boomkin this tier and unironically says that being so cooldown reliant is a big downside
hollow river
The fact that some classes get more attention than others
Is the biggest downside of playing this game IMO
oak sky
hot hands, the class
fathom swift
as an arms reroller this tier i appreciate my enh shaman
hollow river
i was going to never fotm reroll unless im pushing hof because im not a traitor
GM asked if I would
fathom swift
the most important role in the raid
oak sky
arms is so good this tier
balmy condor
Because they tried to sit him for 1 night on sylv
Do you have another warrior?
oak sky
our arms had his armor break on kill
balmy condor
Banger
hollow river
Our arms was clicking his health stones and pots
And most of the time not using at all
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fathom swift
truly the chad class
hollow river
Wonder how hard it’s gonna be to get tier to drop
Since in the interview they stated that the catch up system would come in later on in the tier
Looks like we’re gonna have to rely on solely personal loot for the tier pieces
fallen arch
Our arms was clicking his health stones and pots
These are the only ones I click too 😂
Just to save myself from fat fingering consumables
fallen arch
Looks like we’re gonna have to rely on solely personal loot for the tier pieces
To be fair, you are gonna be able to grind m+ for them no?
hollow river
If I get benched again because of RNG I’m gonna be pissed
fallen arch
Or is that vault only?
hollow river
That’s later in the tier
oak sky
If I get benched again because of RNG I’m gonna be pissed
they would bench you because you didnt get tier?????
hollow river
From what was stated in the interview
oak sky
its probably a month in or before tbh
hollow river
they would bench you because you didnt get tier?????
The last guild before this one would yes
fallen arch
What interview we talking about?
oak sky
its not like ur top 20
hollow river
I failed my trial because no dom shards
oak sky
so cringe
hollow river
And that guild is 4/10 rn
oak sky
you should be glad you failed
hollow river
I left
I am
Now I’m in a 9/10
But Sylvanas needs to die
After 400 pulls I’m over it, was over it after 200
oak sky
finish strong
timid cloud
Also that’s cringe. Glad to see their demise. Just that petty. 💅
hollow river
finish strong
We’re doing 1 day this week, a farm day
oak sky
finish strong next week
hollow river
With like 3-4 trials
slow marsh
My guild just killed so looks like I joined at just the right time
Sad I don't get to prog sylv but I feel like I've watched enough rogue pov that I don't really care
hollow river
Yeah idk
After such a long prog I want that sense of achievement
And to kill it with the homies
Just gets frustrating
soft shale
sylv is kinda sad as a rogue you really have no control over anything dying and also p3 will wipe anyway even if you do good damage
doesnt help people clipping veils or missing soaks
or daggering the whole raid
fallow otter
How does this differ from other classes in p3?
soft shale
boomkin can ramp and can heal and soak dhs can ignore veils same as warlocks and mages
warriors can also ignore veil priests can mass dispel
let me think about more
fallow otter
ignore value?
soft shale
you jump off veil hits you in the air
then come back
as dh you just double jump then glide
fallow otter
I know dh can do that, but there really isn't any reason to tbh
Warrior?
Warlocks?
Mages?
You want them to jump off mid veil and port back?
violet jackal
THD did it
fallow otter
Jump off and step back
soft shale
if you feel bloodthirsty
plain onyx
guys, could anyone spare a minute and tell me the exact rotation for AOE in m+ please ?
limber lion
There really isn't a rotation, you have to play accordingly
limber lion
- Keep SnD up at all times with Envenom
- Keep CT's dot up as much as possible, don't spam it
- Garrote on cooldown
- Rupture everything
- Envenom whem mobs are dying instead of applying new bleeds
plain onyx
got it.. one more thing, once a mob is pulled, i garrote 4 targets and then do i SnD or CT ?
limber lion
You use SnD once in the very first pack of the dungeon
Then you always maintain it with Envenoms
And by having leftover CP from a previous pack
So you use SnD before yoy open up on a new pack
plain onyx
You use SnD once in the very first pack of the dungeon
I snd right after i garotte 4 targets ?
or it doesnt matter when
limber lion
I snd right after i garotte 4 targets ?
Yes only on the first pack
Then you never let it drop
plain onyx
yeah i know i have to snd on the first pack but where do i Snd through the rotation?
after i garrote or after CT ?
plain onyx
slow marsh
4 garrotes ct keep snd if needed with envenom
You mean garrets
1 Garret 2 Garret 3 garrets
terse talon
garrote bale
lusty bane
Any theory crafting ideas for 9.2 for Assa set bonus and legendary combos? Trying to figure out what legendaries to use to make good use of the set bonus. I think the mutilate leggo is a good idea but besides that I can't think of which other leggo to use
Maybe "Duskwalker's Patch" would come to good use because our bleeds will tick faster and we can spend more energy
maybe Zoldyck could be used as a good execute
balmy condor
Those are the ideas
Doomblade/dashing and if the 4 piece is strong, maybe Duskwalker
modest shell
anyone knows what cd is on vandetta with duskwalker?
limber lion
Around one minute
It might differ very slightly depending on your profile, ie. talents and gear
More energy regen = more cd reduction
modest shell
ye just thinking if flagilation will line up with vandeta with that legi combo would proly be good with tier set
limber lion
Yeah that's the common consensus
modest shell
1 min cd spec is also pog for most raid bosses
limber lion
Sure but Duskwalker's lose slight value if you introduce stuff like movement and downtime on a boss
And gains value with more targets
So it's a bit of a wild legendary
limber lion
Kind of yeah but not quite
Because Flag remains on the target for 12s
But Duskwalkers requires constant uptime
It's not tied to a period of time where you reduce the cd
But rather you reduce it all the time
hollow river
Wow I never considered the multi target applications
modest shell
ye the cd part is in the window i get that
limber lion
During intermission you might lose your bleeds on your targets, which means you gain a lot less energy, which means you can spend a lot less energy which means you reduce the cd a lot less
On multiple targets you can have energy saturation, meaning you are gcd-capped and thus get to spend energy a lot faster and thus reducing the cd a lot more
But yeah, I can definitely see Duskwalker's becoming meta
But it might not be the choice for every single boss.
Vigor also gains value from Duskwalkers because it's a flat 10% energy regen increase
So that's good news, because all my homies love Vigor
limber lion
Same
Used to despise MfD, but it's quite fun especially on cleave
Not the biggest fan of it in heavy AoE
hollow river
Agree
modest shell
i wanna see how much damage u get from 4 set doe the extra energy from dashing might be a huge dps boost aswell
hollow river
I like min maxing it a bit on Sylvanas prog but that’s practically all I’ve used it on
limber lion
i wanna see how much damage u get from 4 set doe the extra energy from dashing m...
Yeah, it's not looking too too great honestly
hollow river
I have a feeling doomblade would be better than dashing
limber lion
But you know
modest shell
obv depending on crit stack or haste stack i guess
hollow river
Especially on cleave
limber lion
the energy regen portion of Dashing doesn't matter whatsoever
Because Duskwalker's is the portion that is tied to energy
if you take Dashing, you can't have Duskies
Can't have em both
modest shell
zoldyck for execute fights might be huge aswell
with 4 set
damn so many interresting options
gotta see some sims doe
limber lion
I highly doubt we'll see Zoldyck in raid
It is one of the worst legendaries we have unfortunately
twin kite
What about obedience and duskwalkers with the 4 set? Would make flag and vendetta line up quite well
limber lion
What about obedience and duskwalkers with the 4 set? Would make flag and vendett...
You can read the discussion we just had around that combo here
twin kite
Thanks!
limber lion
Just accidentally simmed myself without the frost set
9.6k dps without
11.6k with
literally 2k from the set
yikers boys, 9.2 is looking rough
subtle tundra
yea its gonna be 1.8k diffence holy shit not so bad
limber lion
might not be as bad with optimal stats
Sure, but it's still a massive difference
modest shell
it is for all classes doe
limber lion
It's not though
modest shell
i can do sim on warlock and arcane mage real quick
limber lion
Some benefit more from it than others
And the thing is that many classes are also getting insane double legendary combos and/or tiersets
We don't really get either
oak sky
our raw dps will be higher but proportionally theres a chance we look worse
limber lion
limber lion
"actually good"
modest shell
look at arcane mage kyrian lego
oak sky
that doesnt seem true, but we need to see ptr before coming to any conclusions
limber lion
wat
limber lion
Sure do
oak sky
but that doesnt mean we end up being stronger
limber lion
But let's not pretend we don't have a Deathspike on our hands as Necros
oak sky
because they all currently look like they have better tier sets
limber lion
Deathspike is equally as bad as Harmonic Echo for Arcane
oak sky
<:whispyrcopium:886806703323090974>
ptr isnt even live yet everything is still hypothetical
modest shell
deathspike is the same as harmonic echo but kyrian arcane is like a spec for itself its nothing like other covenants completely different playstyle
=dead
oak sky
either kyrian goes a different covenant, or the legendary will only matter in multi target
its that simple
gusty mirage
ptr isnt even live yet everything is still hypothetical
Friendly reminder that flag didn’t even work until the week before launch and it was a pile of shit in launch
oak sky
Friendly reminder that flag didn’t even work until the week before launch and it...
friendly reminder that flag didnt work until 9.0.5
limber lion
friendly reminder that flag didnt work until 9.0.5
friendly reminder than flag didn't exist until 9.0.5
:')
gusty mirage
friendly reminder than flag didn't exist until 9.0.5
oak sky
i didnt play beta
gusty mirage
Listen here night fae boy
oak sky
i started during prepatch
gusty mirage
I was gladly wasting 2 GCDs while y’all were zooming around as a fox
limber lion
Gonna be pumpin next patch
gusty mirage
It’s okay 10.0 for sure
oak sky
I was gladly wasting 2 GCDs while y’all were zooming around as a fox
man oxi we really are the same
venthyr till the day i die
oh and i picked it for narrative reasons
gusty mirage
Don’t talk to me traitor
limber lion
If there’s an option to not play mfd next tier
Sure is if you play Duskwalkers
oak sky
oxi wants the tier set to be godlike now
limber lion
Vigor means more energy regen, which means more energy, which means more energy to spend, which means more cd reduction from duskies
gusty mirage
What am I going to play? Dusk/toxic onslaught? 
limber lion
Obe/Dusk
grim hornet
Vigor means more energy regen, which means more energy, which means more energy ...
i see us throwing a lot of knives during downtimes if there are adds or something
i.... can't....overcap....
limber lion
It really depends which one needs the cdr more as we'll be syncing them together every time
If those 3 extra seconds from MFD matter or not
gusty mirage
Syncing dusk/obe is actually going to be miserable
limber lion
i see us throwing a lot of knives during downtimes if there are adds or somethin...
Yuup, but downtime is also a bitch because you don't get energy regen unless you have a chunky target you can throw bleeds on
Duskies are awful
Fine on any fights without movement and intermissions
grim hornet
yes but for that... i'd use a pirate tbh
modest shell
Some benefit more from it than others
only lose 1k on warlock and mage it seems from loosing shard set
grim hornet
probably gets more from no downtime
limber lion
only lose 1k on warlock and mage it seems from loosing shard set
yuuup
probably around 1.5k for us with optimal stats
limber lion
wut
gusty mirage
modest shell
destro needs huge buffs
oak sky
class is engineered for 2t and uncapped aoe
limber lion
But been pretty 
after that
limber lion
That's not true though
The warlock apl is dogshit
that's why it does so little
There is no one who is actually taking care of the apl and making sure it's up to par
limber lion
Sure, but it's still nowhere close to a proper apl
You often see Warlocks at the bottom of the simulationcraft charts
But then out of nowhere Affliction starts murdering everyone
modest shell
afl was simming insane in last tier but they removed a 75% damage amp on rapture singletarget
from conduit they removed
limber lion
249 stat optimized warlock does 7.5k in singletarget sim 5 min
I'm not buying this by the way
Because a proper 254 warlock with set does 10.5k
it's not a 3k difference
oak sky
Sure, but it's still nowhere close to a proper apl
hopefully they can get it fully optimized
limber lion
hopefully they can get it fully optimized
I mean, no apl is ever fully optimized
But yeah, getting there :P
limber lion
And someone needs to implement into the apl
oak sky
but like theres probably stuff that just isnt there for warlocks
limber lion
Like I found out about the MfD thing in Castle Nathria
oak sky
stuff that everyone knows and does
limber lion
But it wasn't implemented for god knows what reason
And we were sleeping on it for months because of it
oak sky
what mfd thing
limber lion
wut
spice spire
MA in castle nathria
limber lion
have you not been here for the last month
spice spire
oak sky
no in nathria
spice spire
Mfd ST
limber lion
Everyone is playing MfD now in SoD
limber lion
Yes
oak sky
of course i play that
oak sky
OH
limber lion
It's not a new thing
limber lion
But it was never implemented
oak sky
yeah not until vel said something
spice spire
Yo Cev when will MA be our bis legendary?
limber lion
We talked about it in #tc-research
and Koji said he'd implement it
but I guess he forgot
Anyways
There's a lot of small things like that
timber tiger
Forgive my idiocy but what does MfD stand for
timber tiger
ty
limber lion
And new discoveries are always great
And we should aim to always look for new things and new optimizations
limber lion
Yo Cev when will MA be our bis legendary?
I doubt it'll ever see the light of day again unfortunately
spice spire
limber lion
They nerfed it to 3s initially
oak sky
was it 5s?
oak sky
mmm
limber lion
But buffed it back to 4s
oak sky
yeah i remember it being 4
spice spire
Too far gone, unfortunate
limber lion
But the thing is that it doesn't work because of the talent
One more second on MA and it would be great again, mark my words
We would play Subterfuge
If we don't play the MA talent, we're forced to pick NS or Subterfuge, both which require one gcd to be used on garrote/rupture
Which means less value on the MA legendary
I remember when this chat used to be active
Now it's a wasteland
oak sky
i try my best :/
spice spire
@limber lion I’m sorry I can ape out if you want king
gusty mirage
I remember when this chat used to be active
All the zoomers went back to outlaw or went sub
And quake’s been MIA for like a week now
He hates us 
spice spire
It’s all about timing, doing it with the homies (shitposting) is based. Shitposting with people legitimately asking questions is cringe
Family stuff with Val, sue me king
gusty mirage
Family stuff with Val, sue me king
Maybe I will
spice spire
See you in court
oak sky
limber lion
All the zoomers went back to outlaw or went sub
They'll be back once they realize the power of the bleed-furries
oak sky
i never leave
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> I’m sorry I can ape out if you want king
It's okay, maybe this tranquility is good for once. It'll be a bitch in 9.2 again, surely
Or well, it just needs one person spouting incorrect information and suddenly it's a party.
gusty mirage
Or well, it just needs one person spouting incorrect information and suddenly it...
Hold my beer
oak sky
Or well, it just needs one person spouting incorrect information and suddenly it...
WE PLAY BLOODFANG NEXT PATCH MAKE A PIN
mark my words
gusty mirage
limber lion
dawn ivy
i still believe in assa
oak sky
listen
dawn ivy
purely for the double 1 min cds
oak sky
im a zoomer
limber lion
it's the only thing I believe in
oak sky
and you guys are never losing me
gusty mirage
Dw I’m sure a certain content creator whose name starts with an “In” will release something new for us to fight the good fight against
dawn ivy
"NIGHTSTALKER ESANGUINATE 200K DAMAGE IN 3 SECONDS?!?!?!"
lean fossil
@limber lion please tell me sin is looking to be the go to spec for next tier, even if its a lie
limber lion
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> please tell me sin is looking to be the go to spec for ne...
sin is looking to be the go to spec for next tier
oak sky
lean fossil
sin is looking to be the go to spec for next tier
now is that the truth or is that just to make me feel good? lol
dawn ivy
yes....
oak sky
lean fossil
i dont wanna play sub next tier lol and i refuse to look at outlaw
dawn ivy
ngl, kyrian outlaw doesnt look terrible
grim hornet
sin is looking to be the go to spec for next tier
is this ? I think sub looks way stronger rn
dawn ivy
oh jeez
limber lion
is this <:copium:854628182104080414> ? I think sub looks way stronger rn
take a guess
oak sky
wait for ptr to be out a few weeks
grim hornet
i mean dont get me wrong, i hate sub, but that's what it seems xD
gusty mirage
Why do you hate sub
grim hornet
take a guess
limber lion
Sin is looking like the worst of the 3
dawn ivy
he was joking lmao
gusty mirage
Haven’t they suffered enough in 8.x?
gusty mirage
I think outlaw looks the worst tbh
gusty mirage
BTE reset does fuck all for them
grim hornet
Haven’t they suffered enough in 8.x?
i like them subs just trapped in pvp so i can play my sin and pirate freely
dawn ivy
we need to see the functionality of basically all three sets
oak sky
I think I need to finish my essay
limber lion
Yeah well the Shiv thing does fuck all for us
dawn ivy
because all three sets have some confusion still
lean fossil
they just need to buff it
gusty mirage
And the ExsangVend is
Also true
limber lion
We get 25% more damage on our bleeds, which is around 15% of our damage for 30% of the time with the 2p
gusty mirage
The sub 4pc looks meh if it doesn’t give CP too
Overall the entire class tier bonuses look kinda underwhelming
dawn ivy
shiv to 50% and instead of 100% faster boost it to 200%
that would require them to change how the 4pc works first
you are not going to enjoy 200% speed bleeds
gusty mirage
Any bleed refresh enjoyers during vendetta?
dawn ivy
they need to double proc rate, not cut the fucking duration in half its so much easier that way
limber lion
oak sky
Any bleed refresh enjoyers during vendetta?
yeah i play the current iteration of sin
do you?
dawn ivy
refreshing rupture at 200% speed is a rupture every 7 seconds
lean fossil
refreshing rupture at 200% speed is a rupture every 7 seconds
sounds like a blast 😄
oak sky
then pd
dawn ivy
oh im in sub right now yeah
dawn ivy
lmao cant even reapply garrote if you made it 200%
limber lion
but we're not entirely sure yet if we have the exsang effect throughout the entire Vend
gusty mirage
200% would destroy garrote uptime lmao
grim hornet
the thing is idk what's worse
gusty mirage
Subterfuge gaming
lean fossil
they could just triple the hit rate of them during vendetta instead of reducing the time
gusty mirage
I think the tierset is going to be bonkers in pvp
It is, esp w/ hemotoxin caked in to shiv instead of a poison
limber lion
Yeh
oak sky
they alr play mfd in pvp
limber lion
yes sir
oak sky
what is it rn
gusty mirage
They still wouldn’t drop alacrity tbh
limber lion
bleeds up, vend, exsang
dawn ivy
i think in pve that burst could have niche uses
limber lion
Vanish - Env - Muti - Env - MFD - Env
dawn ivy
awful overall of course
limber lion
it's mega burst
limber lion
i think in pve that burst could have niche uses
Agree
oak sky
mp/sub/mfd/elusive/alacrity/internal/pb
limber lion
They still wouldn’t drop alacrity tbh
Depends on what you're trying to do right
gusty mirage
Assa rogue about to melt people in pvp
dawn ivy
but if you wanted to put ONE class on an overlord for soulrender? fuckin hell sin could solo that
limber lion
If you wanna have some fun, you should just play Exsang in pvp
and go ham and burst people
rbg's would be pretty dank
gusty mirage
Depends on what you're trying to do right
Yea true, murk a base sitter
And ninja a base
spice spire
Honestly could see people playing NS/MFD/Exsang with MA
I was about to take a lighter take and just say I could see NS with MA legendary with 4 set this tier
Literally driving to work thinking of wow
I’ve entered a hellscape
limber lion
Yeh
oak sky
nah
dawn ivy
welcome back to the PTR mind prison
limber lion
But MA is still bad because of the alternatives
oak sky
rather think about wow while i go to school than think about school
spice spire
I know
gusty mirage
Literally driving to work thinking of wow
I hope you’re thinking of me dunking on your IO
limber lion
it's sadge
oak sky
i assume its the same for work
gusty mirage
oak sky
dawn ivy
thats how they could fix crimson tempest issue
was thinking about how they could ever fix that talent row
make each target with the dot do slight aoe explosion kinda like echoing blades
gusty mirage
Make CT baseline and add a talent that buffs it I guess
dawn ivy
they need to make crimson tempest weaker in ST
and make it stronger in aoe
and then buff PB
oak sky
they cant make it stronger in st and also make it stronger in aoe
dawn ivy
sure they can
oak sky
sounds aids
dawn ivy
make each target with the dot do slight aoe explosion kinda like echoing blades
doing this to crimson tempest would make it great in aoe, and bad in ST
oak sky
we need an aoe finisher that does more damage to targets with more bleeds or something
dawn ivy
what else could they do to make it worse in ST, im bad at thinking of alternatives like this
oak sky
or maybe these are my fried late night thoughts
gusty mirage
what else could they do to make it worse in ST, im bad at thinking of alternativ...
Just make PB actually not shit
limber lion
Remove PB
gusty mirage
So that it’s an actual trade off
lean fossil
make pb like it was in legion
oak sky
actually not boring
dawn ivy
yeah that needs to be done either way
limber lion
Tie PB to Envenom and Shiv
lean fossil
wait was it legion or wod that it was op?
limber lion
All Envenoms during Shiv proc a poison bomb
limber lion
wait was it legion or wod that it was op?
It didn't exist in WoD
limber lion
It did exist in Legion
oak sky
i literally
lean fossil
ok legion
limber lion
sup
limber lion
good
oak sky
im not even joking
oak sky
or make it proc on crits
limber lion
and then we'll actually have to think about shiv windows
gusty mirage
ok legion
Problem with PB in legion is if you didn’t proc it you did like fuck all for damage iirc
limber lion
poggers
dawn ivy
we would instantly go back to "get 3 envenoms in your toxic bladfe or else youre not a real sin rogue"
limber lion
Problem with PB in legion is if you didn’t proc it you did like fuck all for dam...
correct
lean fossil
Problem with PB in legion is if you didn’t proc it you did like fuck all for dam...
so keep the proc rate we have but the power from legoin!
dawn ivy
no shot
limber lion
Poison Bomb was an artifact trait
And it was made into a talent
No idea why they did that
dawn ivy
pb in legion was literally our biggest dam sometimes
limber lion
They should have just removed it then and there
limber lion
pb in legion was literally our biggest dam sometimes
Literally playing m+ and the tank moves the adds away from pb
felt so fucking awful
lean fossil
i just remember when it would proc and youd be telling the tanks not to move the boss lol
limber lion
yooooooo wtf tank keep them in the green my guy
dawn ivy
worse than any night fae hunter this expac
gusty mirage
Took me forever to realize that no one else saw poison bomb
lean fossil
remember the knife throw opener?
dawn ivy
i remember a friend of mine had a weakaura that triggered anytime an enemy took damage from poison bomnb and his character would instantly start spamming to not move
lean fossil
we could go back to those dark times
winter vapor
I personally just hope we get to be reasonble next tier - im not sure I can face learning sub or feral >:
gusty mirage
Well that depends on your definition of reasonable
gusty mirage
You’ve been playing the wrong class all expac my friend lol
lean fossil
a man can dream!
gusty mirage
May I interest you in boomkin or mage?
lean fossil
besides im a terrible lock lol
winter vapor
im at best a mid tier rogue who simetimes gts first place if the other pumpers are busy or away :p
so er, that
gusty mirage
Venthyr boomie is about to be kinda nuts
winter vapor
its already pretty bonkers
gusty mirage
Yeppers
spice spire
“Why is this boomkin in melee range?”
lean fossil
“Why is this boomkin in melee range?”
100%
spice spire
whats the over/under on ptr going up this week <:tinfoil_pepe:699651267517218886...
They said not before thanksgiving
oak sky
Like literal 0%
gusty mirage
Yeah zero shot with thanksgiving
spice spire
So negative shot
dawn ivy
ah yeah fair
gusty mirage
Half the workers walked out last week
dawn ivy
i forget holidays
oak sky
Thats why my name is here to temind you
gusty mirage
I think if that doesn’t happen a good chance we would’ve gotten it last week
dawn ivy
i wonder whats its like right now being a dev who actually likes the game
oak sky
Ill have some christmas stuff by friday
gusty mirage
Ill have some christmas stuff by friday
Thank you for waiting until after thanksgiving
dawn ivy
forced to sit outside your office for moral obligation but REALLY wanting to go inside and work on the game
gusty mirage
I would say they don’t mind making good money but we’ve since come to know that blizz pays their employees like shit
gusty mirage
They’re probably renting a closet out for $2500 a month
oak sky
I dont think we have closets
gusty mirage
Garage it is
clever kindle
forced to sit outside your office for moral obligation but REALLY wanting to go ...
how long do you think walkouts last
dawn ivy
until bobby the goblin steps down probably
gusty mirage
I saw a blizzard dev in the wild once <@192059095279337473>
Did you ask them if they know what the rogue class is?
clever kindle
Nah, its normally just that day
oak sky
No
dawn ivy
he says hes not stepping down unless he cant fix the issues present though
oak sky
I didnt mythic raid yet so i didnt understand
gusty mirage
he says hes not stepping down unless he cant fix the issues present though
He’s not stepping down from shit lmao
dawn ivy
yeah for sure
gusty mirage
Force the board to axe him, get a nice severance while keeping his shares of actiblizz
spice spire
He’s not stepping down from shit lmao
Nah but ur stepping down from dn
gusty mirage
Real life gallywix got it figured out
dawn ivy
blizz has lost SO MUCH of their stock in just last month
gusty mirage
Nah but ur stepping down from dn
Surprised you can read this, broken glasses havin ass
gusty mirage
Kinda toxic ngl
dawn ivy
hmm that emote looks familiar
fallen arch
that's a cool emote
frail niche
Since it's not specified in the faq, do we pool every single time we run out of energy? Let's say I'm casting envenoms, I run out of gas, then I pool a bit and use a few envenoms again? Or when do we pool?
grim hornet
u pool between envenoms afaik, unless vendetta / shiv is active
hollow river
Since it's not specified in the faq, do we pool every single time we run out of ...
Always pool before casting envenom, unless inside shiv/vendetta/flag windows
alpine latch
Man, I got to come into a Mythic Ner'zhul kill and Painsmith prog. So. Much. Fun.
#1 in DPS on the kill and a green parse. FML
hollow river
Mythic is a bit harder to parse on