assassination

[limber lion]

Really depends on your profile

I've seen both ahead with both soulbind combos and talent setups

Yes

Also make sure to check whether or not they are actually unbuffed or not

Because could be that they're getting kyrian affinity

which is not displayed on the externals.

Yes

Oh shit, looks like they've added it to the buff list

It shows up as 1 buff now.

That's good

[drifting cloud]

yeah on that 3:30-4min kill timer my feelcraft says obedience deletes dashing

but you cant even kill remnant that slow now cuz he got nerfed

and I dont think any other boss is in that range

[limber lion]

nah

[drifting cloud]

theres probably more kill windows like that thats just the most obvious one

[limber lion]

KA is still pretty rare

Maybe but even then resto druids are a rare breed

[drifting cloud]

well resto druids arent that common by default 😛

[spice spire]

Got our guardian to do it

[limber lion]

I wish I could do one more SoD run and get simped by a kyrian druid

oh well

[drifting cloud]

man looking at mythic logs its kinda funny how ce guilds almost play a different game like the guilds that will never kill painsmith and stuff

9.1 on sylvn disc has more logs than resto+mw+holy

but if you filter by all bosses just holy alone has more logs than disc

[hollow river]

Gm #assassination

Anyone know if there’s a way to check deaths on hundreds of wipes? Instead of just 1 report at a time

Curious

[limber lion]

What you mean by that?

[drifting cloud]

just select all wipes? :p

[limber lion]

You can check the percentages

But it's a bit harder to check when each person died

[spice spire]

Higher skill spec, generally those at the top can play it well.
Though that is a good point. I wonder the different in sin + sub logs in 9.1 final bosses compared to all bosses

[hollow river]

That shows me one nights report

[drifting cloud]

oh hundreds, gotcha

[hollow river]

Ye

[drifting cloud]

maybe if you merged the logs? not sure tbh

[limber lion]

You can merge all of the logs together

[hollow river]

Kk I’ll give it a go when I get a minute

[spice spire]

Notrickz tryna flame this am

Respect

[limber lion]

It is however a lot easier said than done.

[hollow river]

I’m just tryina see summin

[drifting cloud]

problem with sylvn is even when you filter lets say 5 deaths

[limber lion]

Like there is no merging functionality on the website, you'd have to still have the combat logs from the previous raid days

[drifting cloud]

youre gonna have so many logs where somebody is just listed first dieing from calamity or jumping off the platform first when wipes are called

[limber lion]

And you'd have to upload the entire thing altogether

[hollow river]

Shouldn’t be an issue

Trying to look at rive

[drifting cloud]

[limber lion]

el classico

[spice spire]

People dying to rive literally hundreds of wipes in?

[hollow river]

So I’d have to be the uploader?

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Correct.

[hollow river]

Kk

[limber lion]

You'd have to upload all of the logs at once

[hollow river]

I’ll get with our guy that does our logs

[limber lion]

You cannot merge them after uploading

[drifting cloud]

please we have rive deaths 8 kills in or whatever

[hollow river]

Very seldom

[spice spire]

Oh

[limber lion]

Normally people upload logs and then delete the combat log so it doesn't fill up the drive

[spice spire]

I thought constant occurrence

[limber lion]

So it's likely that he won't have the files anymore

but give it a shot

[spice spire]

Random is whatever

[hollow river]

But they’re flaming for it

Which is Stupid

[drifting cloud]

honestly 1 rive death every like 3 pulls is probably in the realm of normal

[limber lion]

I agree

[hollow river]

And after like 0 rive deaths in 300 pulls

[drifting cloud]

rive kills threw cheat alot of the time

[hollow river]

If you eat one to the face

[limber lion]

300 pulls

[hollow river]

You just wanted a snack

[hollow river]

322

[limber lion]

ouchie

[spice spire]

Yeah so like, maybe don’t troll the one offs, and troll the constant problems you have

[hollow river]

I’m already dead inside

[drifting cloud]

yeah cev im not sure if youre aware but sylvn is a different boss for 1k guilds than it was for us

[limber lion]

how does one have such a strong mentality

ah yeah fair enough Ryler

makes sense

[drifting cloud]

like average sylvn pull count is definetly over 250

[limber lion]

wtf

[drifting cloud]

for recent kills

[limber lion]

no way

[spice spire]

Because if it’s seldom rive that’s whatever if you’re not getting to p3 regularly it’s just

Something else

[limber lion]

that's insane, she's such a loooong ass boss to prog on

[hollow river]

There’s guilds with like 600 wipes

[limber lion]

8 minutes just to get to p3

[spice spire]

@shrewd night type beat king

Actual mental fort champions

[hollow river]

Anywhere, randomly. But we’re on p3

[limber lion]

I do think Sire was easier than Sylv

[exotic plume]

Happy to have killed her with 200 pulls when I see 400+, would have quitted

[drifting cloud]

I think theyre so close together I cant tell which was harder

[limber lion]

Yeah

The thing about Sire though

is that it was fun all the way through

[drifting cloud]

sylvn is alot more combat time thats for sure

[limber lion]

Like it was actually fun to progress every day

Sylv just gets fucking tiring

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[limber lion]

You could actually see progress on Sire every day

[drifting cloud]

sire p1 was annoying the last minute of it

[limber lion]

that's true

[hollow river]

Sylvanas is fucking depressing

[drifting cloud]

and I personally wasnt a fan of the 2nd half of p2 which was basically heroic

but other than that pretty good fight

[limber lion]

But good thing Sire p1 lasts for 2 minutes

[hollow river]

I’m done man

[limber lion]

Not fucking 5

[grim hornet]

im 280~ pulls in, didn't even put a foot on 4th platform p3

still got decent dmg

[limber lion]

I enjoyed it because I was a log whore back then as well

[drifting cloud]

it was 3 minutes cev

[grim hornet]

but every p1 is a pain

[arctic hare]

Any of you guys try to kill roh kalo in heroic with 30 people in raid?

[limber lion]

So I got to maximize my dps

[grim hornet]

just so boring

[limber lion]

big true

[drifting cloud]

but yeah 3min is also when sylvn p1 intermission starts

[limber lion]

I'm just not a big fan of the entire rp part of Sylv

p3 is sick, I love it

p2 is just useless

[spice spire]

Agreed

[limber lion]

p1 is boring

I mean it looks cool and all and the lore is great and whatever

but I just wanna pump

not run around for several minutes

[odd heath]

Omg lol

[hollow river]

The whole fight is trash

[drifting cloud]

you love p3? isnt it kinda boring for dps aswell 😛

[odd heath]

Highest number I've seen was like 450 pulls for the kill

[drifting cloud]

its like x3 harder for tank/healer

[limber lion]

Yeh but I get to focus on doing as much dps as possible

[hollow river]

Yeah we have to sit back and wait til they do everything right

[limber lion]

Thinking a minute ahead

[exotic plume]

Parry on sylv, she's so small

[odd heath]

There is one guild in my server with 250 pulls, didn't pass the first sylv burn on p2 yet...

[limber lion]

to set up everything

[hollow river]

But it takes 10 minutes to get there

Then you’re relying on them

[limber lion]

I don't understand how guilds even get to Sylv if they struggle so hard on her

[marble hemlock]

cause this raid is a meme

[hollow river]

Big issue is roster rn

[marble hemlock]

where any difficulty can just be outgeared

[drifting cloud]

the good part about sylvn is you can really go from 2nd burn to kill fast if you got stuff organized

[hollow river]

Guilds are dying man

[odd heath]

Yes.. but tbh only painsmith is "hard" until reaching her

[hollow river]

We literally just started a new trial last night

[limber lion]

idk maybe I'm just too elitist

[hollow river]

On sylv prog

[spice spire]

Elitist CF :/

[limber lion]

I can't think of a single difficult fight in recent memory

Most fights are just the usual "one person dies, we call wipe"

[drifting cloud]

@limber lion its not like these guilds are terrible, theyre just not good enough to kill ce boss without like 2 nerfs and because most of the middle raid is easy they also get to the last boss faster

[spice spire]

Just do better lmao

[hollow river]

We don’t do this

[odd heath]

Stone legion was the most difficult fight this expansion imo

[limber lion]

Fair enough.

[odd heath]

But it was scuffed

[limber lion]

I big disagree

[hollow river]

We’ll go into p2 with 2 down

[drifting cloud]

so you have 9/10 guilds that have insane skill gaps between them

[limber lion]

because it was a shitty ass fight

It was not difficult

It was just terribly tuned

[odd heath]

Yes

[spice spire]

I’m memeing but like the fights aren’t rocket science

[odd heath]

It was difficult because of the way the spell queue worked there

When they fixed ir

It was ok

[exotic plume]

Whats difficult for you?

[drifting cloud]

but yeah cev when you have guilds that wiped 250 times on painsmith and maybe 100+ fatescribe and close to 100 on kt you know theyre gonna struggle on sylvn

[hollow river]

Sylv isn’t difficult

[odd heath]

Sylv is really easy

[hollow river]

It’s difficult for all 20 to do it properly I guess

At my ranking

[odd heath]

We got it in 117 pulls

[limber lion]

I can understand 250 on PS, but 100 fs and kt just blows my mind

But yeah I mean, makes sense

I mean, I think it's crazy how strong their mental is

If they can wipe on a 5+ minute boss more than 200 times and still keep at it

Multiple bosses*

[odd heath]

Imagine 400 pulls on a 14 min boss

[drifting cloud]

well for them to get to 400

they probably have close to 200 p1 wipes

[limber lion]

I mean, we did have 300 pulls on SLG as well

so I get it

[grim hornet]

sadly we neither. We started yesterday, at 280~ pulls to call wipe if someone dies p1

like bress are necessary for us in p3

[limber lion]

But that's rough

[drifting cloud]

1 death in p1 you call a wipe??

[hollow river]

We never call a wipe

[drifting cloud]

thats 100% wrong

[hollow river]

Unless there’s 3 deaths

[drifting cloud]

you should call it at 3

[hollow river]

If we have res it gets used

[odd heath]

I think the highest pull count I have is Jaina at 500 or so, but I changed guilds in between

[grim hornet]

i mean

[odd heath]

It was exhausting

[grim hornet]

ppl dies more times on p2 than p1

if p1 goes wrong, then p2 is gonna be wipe for sure

so why lose that hella time

when we can just pull again

and not shit our pants

[drifting cloud]

its not hella time tho

p1 lasts 4min

[limber lion]

Like Azshara was a hard boss

[drifting cloud]

p2 lasts what like 3:30

[grim hornet]

like, in my guild, every veil someone get it

[odd heath]

Agreed

[limber lion]

But it was littered with mechanics that it was just weird

Like they designed it to be hard

[hollow river]

[drifting cloud]

and if you get to 2nd burn you kinda know if its a wipe or if you got a p3 pull

[limber lion]

So they added like 100+ mechanics on the fight

Which is absurd

[grim hornet]

i swear

in p2

everytime there's a veil

someone get the stacks, at least 1

[drifting cloud]

how many druids you got

[hollow river]

I walk out of p2 veils

And never get hit

[grim hornet]

me 2

[limber lion]

Just gotta preemptively move and you'll never get hit

[odd heath]

Veil now is like 10yd diameter, you can literally walk out of it

[limber lion]

if you start moving when the cast appears, you might be too late

[hollow river]

I don’t even preemptively move

[grim hornet]

i got hit sometimes if it gets weird cause i have to kick the goddam orb cause my caster are afkbraining

[limber lion]

oh yeah, did they nerf the mythic veil?

[drifting cloud]

on colossus platform you can actually get unlucky and cant avoid veil without roar btw

[hollow river]

I wait to see the veil and waltz out of it

[limber lion]

is mythic veil smaller now?

[odd heath]

Yep

[hollow river]

Yep

[limber lion]

oh okay

[grim hornet]

yes

way smaller

[odd heath]

U don't even need to click the portal

[drifting cloud]

if on colossus platform when youre stacked and she spawns 1st and last veil same place

youre gonna get hit by 1st exploding when youre moving out without a speed

its rare but can happen

[hollow river]

We do use roar there

[drifting cloud]

yeah with roar should be np

[hollow river]

Just in case

[grim hornet]

5

and 2 shams

[hollow river]

We got 4 druids

[drifting cloud]

bro if you got 5 druids your people are either afk

or you have roars assigned badly

[hollow river]

2 boom 1 guard 1 resto

[grim hornet]

3 boom 1 feral 1 resto

[drifting cloud]

pretty sure with 5 you can cover every veil, every run towards and away from platform

or well you might need a totem or two in there

[grim hornet]

im pretty sure

but at this point i don't wanna do that RL work, tbh. Im kinda burned

just wanna see her dead and walk away

[limber lion]

I remember back when we were progging SLG

A lot of people were getting burned out by the fight and started playing it on auto-pilot and doing stupid mistakes

[drifting cloud]

didnt you prog slg at like wr700, wow changed alot for you in less than 1 tier 😄

[limber lion]

Like you have to keep try-harding and going hard every single day

Once you log on and start raiding, go comatose and wake up 3 hours later when the raid is over, you'll never kill the boss

[limber lion]

WR800 Sire, WR30 Sylv, WR4 now

[drifting cloud]

but yeah SLG is also an anomaly boss in itself, just so terribly designed I think even if they try they cant fuck up that much more than like twice an xpac

usually they do the opposite they undertuned the 2nd to last boss

[limber lion]

I agree

[drifting cloud]

carapace, kt for example ..

and the stupid boss before jaina

[limber lion]

But yeah, point being that a lot of people tend to go auto-pilot after pulling a boss dozens/hundreds of times

And then the quality of the raids/progression falters

[odd heath]

Zaqul was on point before azshara tho

[drifting cloud]

then you have stuff like aggramar, the guy in uldir and the dude in palace which were all pretty good tuned for 2nd to last boss

[hollow river]

Yep

[limber lion]

I hated Aggramar.

[strange python]

its part of why playing in a bad group makes you a worse player, from what I've seen anyway

[limber lion]

It was one of the few range-mechanic heavy fights

[drifting cloud]

haha my guild killed aggramar in like 90 pulls

[odd heath]

But yeah, kt was underwhelming

[limber lion]

And super boring for melee

[odd heath]

Carapace too

[drifting cloud]

then we gave it all back on argus with 350

😄

[limber lion]

Definitely

sheesh

Ngl

[hollow river]

Everyone has to move up the ranks somehow

[limber lion]

Argus is one of my favorite fights ever

[strange python]

if you are wiping over and over to the same people fucking the same things up, you play worse too

which sucks

[limber lion]

It's mechanically challenging, it's fucking cool as shit

[drifting cloud]

yeah I liked argus other than people dieing from 1st axe literally 5s into last phase

[limber lion]

And it doesn't have any stupid ass rng mechanics that can instawipe you

[drifting cloud]

that titlted the fuck out of me

[limber lion]

[odd heath]

It's like, u feel there is no incentive to play well because of that..

[strange python]

my old guild has been on sylv for 360 wipes and still not killed it, progging painsmith was then was literally hell

with them*

[hollow river]

I just don’t want to leave my guild mid prog

They’re already having roster issues

[grim hornet]

this is what its happening to me. Like trying so hard for 200 pulls and saying goodbye to 11 min pulls because of stupid shit is just so tiring...

[strange python]

I left just before they started sylv, didnt feel too bad about it idk

[hollow river]

Want to finish this witch

[grim hornet]

i should have a better force of will and focus into my stuff? yes, i should

but some days it gets hard as hell

[strange python]

went to wr230 then wr310 now wr340 because guilds cant manage to not disband

[drifting cloud]

notrickz you also might not have realistic expectations

[hollow river]

?

[drifting cloud]

lets say you kill her today wouldnt you go up like 300 wr

thats insanely good

[hollow river]

She won’t die

Next week maybe

At most

[drifting cloud]

yeah but still you get the example atleast

[hollow river]

Unless we pull everything together this week

I do yes

[drifting cloud]

probably 50% of the guilds are doing same as you on the boss

the other 50 are doing even worse

[hollow river]

What part of my expectations are inrealistic though

Yeah I suppose but

[drifting cloud]

thats what I mean this is why this tier is so funny in that sence

[hollow river]

I’m nearly ready to quit the game at this point

[drifting cloud]

that my guild killed her in 120~ which was pretty normal for our wr

and guilds at your wr are killing her closer to 300 which is also normal apparently

that doesnt usually happen

since bosses arent undertuned like seli said or atleast the last one

[strange python]

what % is she at?

[hollow river]

Going to back what Cev was saying, and Lewis, going hard on 300-400 wipes ain’t easy

[drifting cloud]

and they get nerfed 2-4 times

[hollow river]

~63 iirc

[strange python]

how many wipes??

[odd heath]

63 is middle of platform 3 isn't it?

[drifting cloud]

I dunno notrickz just depends how much youre used to wiping I guess 😛

[strange python]

I didnt prog sylv so idk, but it just didnt feel like a hard fight

I dont see how you can wipe 300 times

[hollow river]

322 wipes iirc

[strange python]

p1 is annoying, p2 is walk forward and then p3 mechanics arent crazy

[drifting cloud]

because p1 wipes stack up fast lewis

[odd heath]

P3 is scripted

[strange python]

idk if I could cope with 300+ wipes

[hollow river]

P2 right side can die to interrupts, not enough decurse etc

[strange python]

p1 feels bad tho, I hate it a lot

[drifting cloud]

I think wiping 300 on sylvn is more realistic than wiping 300 on sire

[hollow river]

Colossus can kill you if things aren’t done properly etc

[drifting cloud]

and plenty of guilds also did that

[exotic plume]

"lag"

[hollow river]

My point

[strange python]

just upgrade

after the tier

[hollow river]

Don’t want to in the middle of end boss prog

After the tier maybe

[strange python]

I think leaving middle of boss prog makes you look bad to other guilds anyway

[hollow river]

Yeah

And I don’t want to leave them down another player

[strange python]

unless you were giga outperforming

[hollow river]

I don’t dislike them or anything

[strange python]

I was kinda outperforming by a lot in my old guild, I mean I went from like wr1000 to wr200

I didnt dislike mine either

I just realised after painsmith that it wasnt fun to outperform ur guildies

[odd heath]

Ye.. last time I changed guilds, I talked to the previous gm that I was leaving after CE, and continued on azsharas prog for 1-2 weeks, until we killed it

[strange python]

especially with bosses like that

[drifting cloud]

are you not on kazzak anymore lewis

[strange python]

nope, the guild I was in on kazzak died too

[drifting cloud]

oh

[strange python]

joined a guild on draenor that's been raiding since vanilla

[shrewd night]

@spice spire

[drifting cloud]

wtf I swear I saw you in order hall like a week ago

maybe 2 ...

[strange python]

it was like a week ago that I moved

[shrewd night]

ryler never says hello anymore

[drifting cloud]

wdym

the almighty swolenar, did I miss you

[shrewd night]

idk, it feels like ages since you chased me down in korthia

[strange python]

🤨

[drifting cloud]

lmao yeah cuz that was probably last time I was in korthia for more than 10min

some weeks I probably play 1h outside of raid times

[strange python]

korthia is fun again now

[shrewd night]

I have chat bubbles disabled due to streaming, and this dummy just whispered me angrily out of nowhere

WHY YOU NO REPLY, FUCKING SWOLENR

[drifting cloud]

you know that new sp you have

I used to raid with him in like bc/wotlk

[shrewd night]

[drifting cloud]

just a casual 13 years ago jesus fucking christ im old

[shrewd night]

Existential crisis

[strange python]

that much time playing wow

cant imagine what thats actually like

[drifting cloud]

its like a hobby

that sometimes you ignore for week/months and sometimes you spend way too much time on

[shrewd night]

^

Couldnt imagine being a football supporter

[strange python]

futbol

[strange python]

Fúrbo

[spice spire]

Paragon of mental fort king, sorry

[arctic hare]

Now, just imagine playing wow for most of your life

[ebon notch]

guys how many weeks has it been

since release?

like raid release

[arctic hare]

Uhhhh

Did it release in august??

No, thats not right

Is it?

[drifting cloud]

no lol

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/VgFTPRf.png

[drifting cloud]

it released like 1st week of july

[ebon notch]

cause after however many weeks

i have finally

[arctic hare]

Oh, wow

[ebon notch]

seen a dagger

[drifting cloud]

maybe 2nd week

[arctic hare]

Grats!

[ebon notch]

xoxo

[drifting cloud]

the classic 1 option vault

gz

[stuck knoll]

July 13th

According to google

[drifting cloud]

thats mythic I assume

[ebon notch]

true who needs 3

[stuck knoll]

Ah wait NVM that was mythic yeah

[grim kettle]

yo sup!
I´m brand new here. I want to try assa rogue. Can someone link me a m+ guide? I´m not a beginner but didnt had a chance to check out this disc. 🙂

[weary marten]

correct me if i'm wrong please, the venthyr opener is :
mut snd mut garrot flag rup vendetta shiv // From now is it go to 4+ CP then vanish envenom mut envenom OR vanish mut envenom mut ?

[arctic hare]

Vanish mut evenom mut

[weary marten]

ok thanks for clarifying !

[arctic hare]

Yup, learned it the hard way from whispyr and the dudes

[drifting cloud]

you vanish after shiv, mut and pray you dont only get 2 cps because then youre sad

[arctic hare]

Kinda got it drilled into me lol

[weary marten]

i was trying to fit 2x envenom but with frost set we want to get the crits and mut > envenom

[grim kettle]

ignore me, found my answer

[drifting cloud]

the mut envenom mut or env mut envenom isnt a big deal

or well with mfd its 2x envenom anyways

[spice spire]

No worries, for more in depth questions also check #assassination-faq and if that isn’t answered, just ask here, we all love to help the homies

2cp muts during the MA window is so sad now

You have a +90% chance to get an extra per

[arctic hare]

Is that possible?

[spice spire]

And get borked twice is just

[arctic hare]

You can get 2 cp on a ma window?

[spice spire]

Possible and unlucky

Singular muts

[weary marten]

you think i should scoundrel + go BS / DS ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aGmTn2QfFj1rs97RfuhsF2

[drifting cloud]

sure, with 45% baseline crit thats what 1:25 to get 2cps

but you also need to only get 1 from shiv to get truly sad

[shrewd night]

[spice spire]

Is it 1/25? Or is it 1/625? I thought both were independent

[arctic hare]

lol

[drifting cloud]

625? how the hell did you get that

[arctic hare]

I’m curious as well

[spice spire]

1/25 chance on one dagger hit and 1/25 on second dagger hit

[weary marten]

yup that's 1 chance mut first hit to not crit, 1 chance 2nd mut hit to not crit all of it twice

[ebon notch]

first one in like 18 weeks LMAO

[spice spire]

Chanced together means it’s 5% of 5%

[drifting cloud]

actually I fucked it up but yeah its not 625 its alot more than what I wrote

[ebon notch]

including heroic

[weary marten]

so imagine you are at 90% crit during MA => 10/100 x 10/100 x 10/100 x 10/100

[strange python]

a mythic dagger yeah?

[spice spire]

Well that’s 1/10x1/10 there

[weary marten]

oh yeah on one mut my bad

[shrewd night]

Imagine seeing a dagger that doesnt exist

[strange python]

I am becoming CERTAIN the chance for sylv/kt loot was amplified

[spice spire]

Which is just 1% to get a noncrit at any capacity mut

[weary marten]

was thinking 2

[arctic hare]

90% psssssssh, thats nothin

[drifting cloud]

yeah at 45% crit baseline its 1:400

[arctic hare]

All ya need is a 100% chance to crit lol

[drifting cloud]

at 40% its 1:100

[shrewd night]

[strange python]

i have gotten sylv loot 3 weeks in a row

lots of other people have too

[ebon notch]

invisible mainhand 👀

[strange python]

[drifting cloud]

but then you also need 40/100 for the shiv to be 1cp, whatever who cares about math

[spice spire]

Yeah I just multiplied 25 and 25 which wasn’t the play

It’s still early

I just press buttons man

[spice spire]

I’ve gifted two king

Heroics but still

[arctic hare]

lol

[drifting cloud]

the chance of getting a parry alot bigger than 2cps I guess

[arctic hare]

I’m still hopin for that offhand dagger

[strange python]

one will drop for me today

[shrewd night]

18 weeks, ~4 chances of looting each week, still no dagger

[strange python]

I made an addon that will gove me it

[spice spire]

Parry

Cringe mechanic

[spice spire]

Mental fort paragon

Absolute mad lad

[weary marten]

ooooh ! you mean that moment when somtimes on pull i use first ability and get 0 cp ?

[spice spire]

Lesser men would have gone insane years ago

[hollow river]

cries in mythic sylvanas

[drifting cloud]

shienn the trick is you go assa

[tender river]

Anyone know whether the Energy Regen stat on the character pane (exposed with DejaCharacterStats and Shadow & Light) is accurate still?

Recent ElvUI update removed the datatext as they believe it's a TBC/Classic-only stat. Trying to understand whether that number is accurate for Retail.

[drifting cloud]

then you care less about not having hc eon

[strange python]

have you been praying 5x a day, and are you facing Mecca when doing so?

[drifting cloud]

isnt energy just 10% for 1energy/s so should be pretty easy to calculate

[grim kettle]

yea kay I need help. I have a german client so the assa-faq is much. I never touched the rouge before, its for my father

[drifting cloud]

and baseline is what like 10? I dont even know

[grim kettle]

So I would be really glad if someone could tell me some basics in easy

[weary marten]

is BS/DS worth on Sylvanas ?

[spice spire]

No

You don’t get the “execute” phase of blindside which diminishes value

[grim kettle]

I want to do m+20 with it but I feel like I have no idea where to start. wrong legy, wrong stats, absolutely wrong covenant

[weary marten]

ok

[grim kettle]

So is here maybe a nice german assa rogue and could help me a bit? c: Would be awesome!
(Its just too much because he made so many things wrong)

[spice spire]

Oh this is easy.
Legendaries: obedience (if priority damage is needed and venthyr) Zoldyck’s all around
Stats: crit > healthy mix of everything else
Covenant: not a huge difference, but priority damage is venthyr, but all covenants are fine

Hope English was simple enough, I don’t know German 😦

[weary marten]

Talents : 2232223

[grim kettle]

thx!

[arctic hare]

lol

[grim kettle]

this helps a lot

[spice spire]

I’m glad! Sorry for lack of German 😦

[grim kettle]

this is what he played with 😄

[weary marten]

that's ST talent

[grim kettle]

yep. no wonder that he just do 2,5 over all in m+

[spice spire]

That’s good single target, but you definitely want to have a bit more Aoe focus for m+

[weary marten]

you want to open 3x garrote blutroter sturm

(not german, just read the talents xD )

[spice spire]

And I say “AoE” but in reality, we’ll be cleave/ priority damage

[grim kettle]

ye checked xD

[grim kettle]

kay. So he has zoldyck (i defently watched too many animes. Hunter x Hunter Killua Zoldyck hehe)

[drifting cloud]

well the legendary is named after zoldyck family 😄

[weary marten]

you have a passive called venimous wounds in english that makes your energy regen it's very important to think about that

you'll 3x garrote opener cuz they are empowered by talents

[grim kettle]

so this is his gear. first stat is crit, second haste, third versa, forth mastery. I feel like he has way to less crit

[spice spire]

It is a reference as Rylee said. Had no idea until just now 🙂

[grim kettle]

alright, kay.

[spice spire]

Well first of all, his ilvl is fairly low so I wouldn’t hard focus stats

Focus on gameplay and then fix the stats later

[grim kettle]

I´ll bring him to play venth or necro. But which one I should pick as nf?

[weary marten]

keep crimson on them, keep some garrotes, some ruptures on targets, build CP with fan of knives, then drop envenoms on prio target (will increase you chance to apply poison so fan of knives is stronger after this)

[spice spire]

Even with lower gear, he should be at least 5k

[grim kettle]

ye and he didnt even do the half

[spice spire]

Korayn for m+ iirc

[drifting cloud]

5k at 220 might be optimistic

[grim kettle]

he has 225 lmao

its really low

I´m pally heal main and i´m like 248 😄

(and doin m+20 and i´m feral too, so I hope I can learn this class fast)

[drifting cloud]

you need to buy him 230 crafted neck on ah

his neck is like a 150 ilvl item

[grim kettle]

LMAO yup.

[spice spire]

Ryler is right though, since he’s new maybe that’s optimistic and maybe sim for 4k+

[drifting cloud]

it has some equip that gives mana

[spice spire]

Ohhhh no

I didn’t even notice that holy moly

Only one secondary and it’s low

[drifting cloud]

so it has less stats because of it

and thats mastery

[grim kettle]

this char exists since end of classic

But for me its half way new. (Feral xD)

[drifting cloud]

buy crit/haste or crit/mastery neck on ah

[grim kettle]

equip isnt a prob

I´ma push him a bit

[spice spire]

You’re good - this is why we’re here.

[grim kettle]

First time doin rogue lmaop

[drifting cloud]

sure but keep in mind assa is the worst rogue m+ specs

and assa you have to switch between targets ALOT

[grim kettle]

I know

cause you need to dot everythiunggg

[spice spire]

Assa very simple ST, when it comes to aoe it’s a bit more chaotic yeah

[grim kettle]

dotdmg dotdmg dotdmg yay

[drifting cloud]

but yeah just swap the neck atleast please its literally worse than an item from previous expansion 😛

[grim kettle]

haha kay. I see what I can do

[drifting cloud]

should be on ah for less than 5k gold not sure how big your server is

the jewelcrafting 230

[grim kettle]

but which things I need to put in? rota and thinks like this is my prob but I foudn nothing on the internet what to choose for this

[spice spire]

For m+ potencies are the one that matter most, the safest combo is in there rn.
Lethal poisons and well placed steel are good.
For raging week, swap well placed steel and poisoned katar.

If you go venthyr or Necrolord I’d run lethal poisons and the covenant conduit

[drifting cloud]

yeah I have no clue what soulbind nf uses in m+

[spice spire]

First strike seems good and iirc it was the play back in the day.

But it’s been a long time

[grim hornet]

yep

[grim kettle]

I´ll force him to switch to necro or venth 😄

[grim hornet]

for m+ is korayn 4head

yes

[spice spire]

[grim hornet]

u should

like nf is not that good anymore

[grim kettle]

yup

He doin everthing what icy veins tells

[spice spire]

Venthyr: Theo
Necrolord: Marileth, and heirmir is also good.
But marileth

[drifting cloud]

icy veins should be updated

[grim kettle]

but just look once. And never compare to other lmao

[grim hornet]

i like to go there to have a glance

[spice spire]

It’s good to compare icy veins and wowhead

[grim hornet]

then go to top rio players

[drifting cloud]

and honestly the covenant matters the least

[grim hornet]

or see what % of the rogues are using

[spice spire]

Both writers are CFs here and knowledgeable

[drifting cloud]

just need practice with the spec

[grim kettle]

I do not like icy veins. I prefer to check out class discs, top world players and ellesmere

[grim hornet]

ye, with ellesmere you have a good guy to just follow

[spice spire]

Yeah 2.5k tells me it’s just play that needs to be prioritized here

[grim hornet]

that's true

so so true

[grim kettle]

But I cant manage 3 classes

[spice spire]

Icy veins is fine pending class, seliathan very smart rogue.
Whispyr also very smart rogue

[grim kettle]

kay thx

[spice spire]

Yeah no problem as always you’re free to ask. Ryler big boy fragger rogue. And I’m a shitter, but I can at least lead you to the right direction

[drifting cloud]

yeah icy veins assa m+ guide is written by seliathan

its very good

[grim kettle]

can you tell me fast what to choose? U know the buttons, so much new english words for a class where i dont even know the germans is way harder than I thought

[spice spire]

Especially by comparison to other classes

[spice spire]

There

[grim kettle]

ITS TU MUUUCH XD

[spice spire]

The right ones are in rn.
If you swap do lethal poisons and covenant as double - if you have triple potency you’ll run the ones in there plus covenant

I know it’s a lot 😦
Your English seems very good though

[drifting cloud]

like this

[grim kettle]

thx buddy

[drifting cloud]

yes katar is there quake, thats from selis guide dont blame me!

[spice spire]

Katar is fine

[marble hemlock]

is it?

[gusty mirage]

Rip cloaked in shadows

[spice spire]

Yeah, it’s uncapped now seli XD

[marble hemlock]

dont think ive updated these in a while

[spice spire]

But in all seriousness, yeah, depends on what’s needed on what you do

[marble hemlock]

katar is eww

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Yeah but what else goes there for NF?

Wps? Try raging week XD

[marble hemlock]

WPS

but yeah

in raging wps is kinda troll

[spice spire]

Our conduits aren’t the greatest

[marble hemlock]

theyre utter dogshit

[gusty mirage]

Hearthstone so you go back to oribos and switch to NL or venthyr

[marble hemlock]

but yeah

[spice spire]

Idk if the NF conduit is any good

[spice spire]

Wait true actually

[marble hemlock]

honestly, why is anyone even playing nightfae

[spice spire]

Think this was his dad

[thorny pond]

Bored

[spice spire]

And toxic onslaught, hello?

Gamer legendary

[hollow river]

Low key best covenant

[marble hemlock]

yeah for a second i thought "maybe toxic onslaught is worth in m+"

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

No shot

[marble hemlock]

and then the next second happened

[thorny pond]

Then you read the text

[marble hemlock]

and i was back to reality

[hollow river]

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[grim kettle]

I can tell you

[marble hemlock]

its probably not terrible

but the AR doesnt do anything for us in aoe

and the sblades is kinda meh as well

[grim kettle]

He is playing like 20 yrs this char and he is umm.. I dont want to be respectless to my father

but he is old

._.

😄

[thorny pond]

Rogues hate following authority and the establishment. It’s why everyone wants Nf to be good so they can be edgy edgelords

[marble hemlock]

oh yeah i mean

preference is always a valid reason to play smth

thats not super ideal or efficient

its why i still play necro

[spice spire]

If you look at sims, they’re all relatively close too

[drifting cloud]

because youre also old

[marble hemlock]

so people look at me, say "eww" while i dab on them

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

[spice spire]

And same seli, because I’m also old

[marble hemlock]

true ryler

[grim kettle]

he´s above 50

[strange python]

if your cov is down to just preference you probably arent doing content where it's gonna fuck you over much

[normal mist]

[thorny pond]

The blues are soothing on the old eyes

[grim kettle]

and he dont want to play anything else lmao

[marble hemlock]

and lets be real, people are making covenants out to be this massive difference, when even the venthyr/nf difference is less than what regular player performance is gonna do

[gusty mirage]

Honestly, good for him. If he likes it he likes it

[strange python]

you could mythic raid as nf anyway tho if you wanted, it doesn't really matter

[drifting cloud]

yeah tahts why cov doesnt matter

unless beach asks, tell him nf sucks

[thorny pond]

Yea but if you suck playing the best covenant can help make up 2% of your mistakes

[drifting cloud]

im off now

[alpine latch]

Hah ... I ran my logs through WoWAnalytzer last night. This is my favorite thing it to me:
You refreshed Rupture early 2 times, resulting in 300239975158:01 seconds lost. The individual casts are highlighted on the timeline.

[grim kettle]

like i told, i´m main feral and pally heal

so if i do not play venth or kyrian EVERYBODY is laughing at me

[spice spire]

Wow analyzer in the year of our lord 2021

[thorny pond]

My guild has two of each. Wanna join?

[spice spire]

[strange python]

you lost a life time

[gusty mirage]

What the fuck does that even mean lmao

[marble hemlock]

that depends, comfortability matters more than you think. if someone doesnt really know how to play (not that its difficult but you know what i mean) smth else, then them feeling happy and comfortable with an inferior choice might still produce better results than switching to the theoretically superior choice

[strange python]

2 ruptures missed, 40 years gone

[thorny pond]

I’m being obtuse but yes I agree with you 100%

[grim kettle]

uh. idk. I´m searching a guild but I do not have much raid xp cause pally exists sincs castle nathria lol

before fulltime feral

[marble hemlock]

feral

[gusty mirage]

“300239975158:01 seconds”

[thorny pond]

I love my ferals

They give me KA

[strange python]

feral is like assa but better

[marble hemlock]

[thorny pond]

So I can get Uber Levels of Mastery

[spice spire]

Feral mains are gamers

[gusty mirage]

Get out

[strange python]

it's even slower

[marble hemlock]

go back to outlaw sir

[strange python]

you can actually go afk

[grim kettle]

shut up lamo i love my feral ;-; ❤️ cute kitty kitty cmere ! c;

(i hope shut up is not on ban list ._. )

[gusty mirage]

[grim kettle]

so I´m sorry if

[spice spire]

It’s not

[alpine latch]

I must have had the fattest CP stack imaginable.

[thorny pond]

Osh was right the whole time

[marble hemlock]

said no one ever

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Anything on ban list is auto botted out

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Stop this now

[grim kettle]

kay kay kay

[strange python]

you can press bite, do a full 360 degrees rotation of your swivel chair and be back in time to press shred

[drifting cloud]

dont you have to be kyrian to get mastery from KA beach

[grim kettle]

so nf covs n co are replaced.

[drifting cloud]

🤔

[grim hornet]

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[thorny pond]

I am Kyrian bud

[gusty mirage]

Ye he’s kyrian

[grim kettle]

whats the important buttons for assa rog?

[thorny pond]

Thought you left

[gusty mirage]

Man’s straight trolling

[thorny pond]

Auto attack and mutilate

[grim kettle]

lel 😄

[drifting cloud]

kyrian assa with KA?

why did I read this

[gusty mirage]

I hate that you’re right about this

[thorny pond]

I main sub and hate swapping

[marble hemlock]

idk whats been going on here recently since whispyr decided to become a sub

but it ends now

[strange python]

shroud so ur guild don't pre pull

[drifting cloud]

ok then youre forgiven .. a little

[gusty mirage]

This is what happens when you leave assassination to me and quake

[marble hemlock]

yeah im starting to notice

[grim kettle]

they pre pull even with shroud cause boomers to stoopid

[spice spire]

Your primary builder is mutilate.
You’ll have to use rupture, envenom, and slice and dice as needed.
Garrote is important for opener plus bleeds.
Vendetta shiv and vanish both important cooldown.
Shroud, kick, blind, kidney shot for utility

[thorny pond]

I tried the meme build of getting the big shiv windows with my empowered CPs but that sucks

[grim kettle]

aww cmoooon :< okay

[marble hemlock]

reminds me of trying to make dfa work for assa in legion

[spice spire]

And then cloak of shadows and evasion for defensives

Plus covenant abilities

[thorny pond]

God that was a time to live. I loved getting cindaria and prydaz

[spice spire]

It’s a lot

[grim kettle]

I´m some german sauerkraut could you please be a bit nice to me

[strange python]

seli are you gonna be active in here again?

[marble hemlock]

idk

maybe

[spice spire]

I know I’m sorry Shyla

[thorny pond]

If seli is back I’ll swap back too

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

seli knows the ability names in german ... maybe?

[marble hemlock]

technically i was never gone, just didnt touch the game except for reclear

[spice spire]

Yeah I’ve made this place a bit too lax oh wait

[marble hemlock]

no i dont

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

You’re like me but better

[marble hemlock]

stop spreading misinformation

[strange python]

idk who's even active here anymore in terms of cfs, perhaps assa is a wasteland

[spice spire]

Cev

[drifting cloud]

I wrote maybe ok

[spice spire]

As he’s available

[gusty mirage]

Well yeah the outlaw goons invade because they find sub too difficult

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor did daddy whispyr abandon yall or what

[spice spire]

Yeah

[thorny pond]

Yes

[drifting cloud]

let the man sleep

[strange python]

holding cooldowns

[grim kettle]

okay okay

[spice spire]

most of the problem children are in sub so he’s needed there more now

[grim kettle]

I´ll ask again np

[grim hornet]

resident sleeper spec talking? D:

[thorny pond]

Sub is a wasteland of

[gusty mirage]

Stop baiting me into being toxic

[grim kettle]

what are the dps cooldowns and how should I time them

[strange python]

I enjoy assa a lot, I just wish it was better than sub

in m+

[spice spire]

Vendetta, shiv, and vanish should be used on cooldown during the dungeon.

[grim hornet]

i love raiding with assa and outlaw tbh

[spice spire]

Same with your covenant abilities

[gusty mirage]

Says the man playing kyrian assassination with the “fat shiv” windows

[grim hornet]

dont like sub but i need to be sub till sylv dies

[marble hemlock]

why though?

thats one of the bosses where the difference really isnt that big

[spice spire]

You should always time when it makes sense, but relatively, use on cooldown

[grim hornet]

ye i know

[strange python]

do you truly NEED to be?

[marble hemlock]

its most noticeable on a boss like guardian, id say assa/sub are really even on sylv

[spice spire]

Wait @marble hemlock

Can you make a thread for shyla’s questions?

[marble hemlock]

especially in a progression environment

[grim kettle]

okay thank you. And which buttons I need to press in a ST fight?

[grim hornet]

but we are close to kill and don't wanna do any changes, cause i know there won't be much difference but guild will probably rage with misinformation

[spice spire]

That way it won’t get super lost

[marble hemlock]

dont think its needed atm, not like chat here is super active

[grim hornet]

and u know, its one or 2 weeks, its not gonna be the end of the world

[grim kettle]

please @marble hemlock ;-;

[grim hornet]

its ok, we get to help here

[thorny pond]

In relation to kyrian sin

[strange python]

chat isnt very active in any spec channel anymore :(

[thorny pond]

Tier is bunked

[marble hemlock]

and who knows, maybe theres other lurkers who would be interested in the answers as well

[gusty mirage]

Ye I mean most people are on auto pilot after getting CE or their guilds are dead thanks to painsmith

So it makes sense

[grim kettle]

so please do the thread ❤️ I´ma help out with my pally heal for you :3

[spice spire]

For ST fight (given the talents you’ve been given)
Mutilate
Slice and dice
Rupture
Envenom
Garrote
Covenant ability
Cooldowns
Etc.

[grim hornet]

still happy im learning sub. i was scared i couldn't play it well but im holding my ground

[thorny pond]

I just wish sin wasn’t frost reliant and I’d be back

[strange python]

idk I'd have thought 9.1.5 would make people wanna play again

[grim kettle]

this is for the m+ talents I have now, r8?

[strange python]

its made me wanna play all 3 specs in raid

[spice spire]

Yes

You can also crimson tempest ST, but let’s get the basics down first 🙂

[grim hornet]

same

[real solar]

@gusty mirage

[alpine latch]

I really need to get a 252 Poxstorm, and then I'm totally down to rock Outlaw in raid for dicking around.

But until then, I'm trying to pump up my Sin parses

[gusty mirage]

[grim hornet]

prolly u are better getting 239 or 252 veinripper

not sure at all about 239

[alpine latch]

We're not a Mythic guild, that's never happening

[spice spire]

We did our first mythic prog just Wednesday

[hollow river]

Pretty sure 239 Ripper is bis until 252

[alpine latch]

ugh

That would be unfortunate

I've thought about finding a weekend raiding guild that needs a DPS and working through Mythic with them cross-server

[grim hornet]

sim both veinrippers vs 246 pox

[alpine latch]

I'd probably still use my heroic EoN in my OH

[grim hornet]

since u can't target 252 pox/ 1h weapon despite praying to rngJesus

[grim hornet]

that's for sure

[strange python]

thanks to painsmith or interesting content 🙂

[fallen arch]

The absence or the latter

[strange python]

both (?)

[viscid spear]

I'm the same way with Outlaw; played Sin almost exclusively but I do know how to Sub pretty well, just never really liked Outlaw. Now if I can just get some groups...

[drifting cosmos]

gotta pug to test your real strength

gotta do it the hard way, key with boys are way too ez

[subtle tundra]

hmm iqd for tyrannical m+???

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

yeah but it's Tyrannical week and I'm still a noob, so Necro Outlaw isn't going to look very good. Still undecided if I want to make Deathspike.

[spice spire]

Deathspike doesn’t seem great

[drifting cosmos]

i havent seen many ol this season tbh

it seems in pugs everyone just went sub

meta spec

[alpine latch]

I still run keys in Sin

[fallow estuary]

is there an raidbots option to sim different Theotar teas?

or which is the default?

[clever kindle]

Once 9.2 non encrypted build hits PTR youll see more people

[strange python]

I wonder how soon that will be

[clever kindle]

9.1.5 is nice for people still playing but it didn't really add NEW content

[strange python]

and I wonder if it will include outlaw being uncapped

[clever kindle]

Well the encrypted build is up so probably end of the month, and I think definitely not

[red plaza]

Legion timewalking week for sure people will be back as well

[clever kindle]

They're going to keep outlaw in the strong and specialized category of good single target and crazy cleave with warriors

I think they pushed 9.1.5 an extra few weeks out to cover the gap between that and 9.2 better but thats just conspiracy theories that dont matter

[grim hornet]

i think there's somehting about that in faq,

probably sub

[pure moth]

Yup, the sub faq

[fallow estuary]

Thanks :)

[strange python]

but it doesn't actually have the crazy cleave

maybe they give it better cleave idk

[exotic plume]

where can I find the sims from whispyr? If I click in the sheet it doesn't work

[spice spire]

Actual numbers are gone as they don’t hold forever

But the sheet has them recorded at the time of.

The charts he puts in are the readings from the sim just overlapped on top of each other iirc

[exotic plume]

hm wanted to check if kel legs are better with full mythic gear because for now they would be worse

[strange python]

hey guys so is nadjia still bugged? if so its better to go with theotar or still fine with nadjia?

[subtle gyro]

i ran Theo last night, was surprised. I believe Nadjia is still bugged though : /

[subtle gyro]

worse over which? Painsmith?

[spice spire]

Go Theo, still bugged

[spice spire]

99% sure kt legs are still best

[exotic plume]

yes

[exotic plume]

allright, ty

[subtle gyro]

go with KT

[fallow estuary]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[golden basalt]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[golden basalt]

been playing around a bit more with necro sin in keys, can anyone explain to and idiot like me why we would spike from stealth as necro but not ambush as venthyr since the CP is kinda redundant as it goes straight into slice n dice anyway? Just kinda blindly followed the "ambush only BS" rule

not using subterfuge in this scenario

[subtle tundra]

not using subterfuge in keys 😳

[spice spire]

Yeah sure, you want that immediate ticking damage + sudden fractures allows for a GIGA damage thing + you want the next spike to start its timer

[golden basalt]

most of the time I am, but went full ST boss dmg last week as my group had ww monk and frost mage, idk we thought we needed more ST as sin aoe is wack regardless

aight thanks quake

[subtle tundra]

its really not worth it

[golden basalt]

didnt really argue

most of the time obv I go subterfuge

but that wasnt the point here

[spice spire]

I’ve gone MA on some absolutely horrid tyran weeks. But yeah on fort week especially you definitely wanna full send subterfuge

[subtle tundra]

i mean, sure, do bad dmg

going from sub to MA is what, like 100-200 dps ST? not worth even on highest tyra

[lilac bear]

anyone here good with macros?

[spice spire]

Top damage was something like 9k (me) - 6.5k - 6.5k monk and Ele

Had to squeeze every ounce of it

[subtle tundra]

well, i would never play m+ without subterfuge

but thats just me

[golden basalt]

thats fair

[spice spire]

Even more than the damage aspect, you lose the silences which are bigger than you think

[subtle tundra]

for me its being able to start a pack and not just struggle with energy

[spice spire]

I have a bit too healthy amount of haste, so usually after two ruptured I’m good

But it definitely fucks with the flow

[prisma cypress]

should i use BS/DS on painsmith if it sims the best?

[fallen arch]

Nah

But if you like the play better just use it probably

Quickest way to farm renown, Torghast?

[golden basalt]

yea

[fallen arch]

What layer ideally

[golden basalt]

9 seems to be a sweet spot for many

[fallen arch]

Ah kk ty

[golden basalt]

think the quickest 9s are sub 1:30 min now

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s 9

Stealth run

Pray for decentish powers for even quicker clears

[strange python]

what's like, the highest assa sim right now

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/62GeCoHieRpD2pvCJQ1esC

this seems pretty decent given that I haven't touched it yet

[alpine latch]

Usually it's around a week from when the Encrypted PTR patch hits the CDN and PTR opens up

[fallen arch]

U can probably get more with mfd+obedience

[spice spire]

Afaik this is the highest recent shower

[kind talon]

hey nice sim

[strange python]

will try

[strange python]

hey thanks

[kind talon]

i like the weapons that youre using in your sim

[strange python]

I don't

[kind talon]

and also the nadjia soulbind

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/755548624880140298.png?size=240

[spice spire]

EP/DS?

[strange python]

will change soulbind in a min

[kind talon]

these are the best talentes lol

[spice spire]

Yeah I’d change the talents too, soulbind bug isn’t reflected in sims atm

[kind talon]

[spice spire]

So if it works correctly, that would be fine. But it doesn’t

[strange python]

ep/ds is best right

I think anyway idk

[kind talon]

??????????????

[strange python]

just going off what I was told

[kind talon]

by who

[strange python]

you and agreon

🤨

[kind talon]

nah man

[kindred rapids]

EP mfd

[kind talon]

we said ep vigor

or ep mfd

[spice spire]

No shot

[kind talon]

u nonce

[strange python]

vigor 🤨

[kind talon]

ur actually a nonce

unreal

[strange python]

i'll try both then

let's see

[spice spire]

Ep mfd
EP Vigor
BS/DS

[kind talon]

^^

[spice spire]

Those are the usual combos

Don’t flame, dekai

[strange python]

obedience is 3 dps higher

crazy

[kind talon]

its ok he knows hes a nonce

[spice spire]

With MFD? Because that’s where it’s getting it’s value

[strange python]

with mfd ye

[spice spire]

Running this without premium gonna take a second

This is looking cursed

[strange python]

think I just go vigor

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Yeah ep/vigor is fine with dashing

[spice spire]

Silence vigor user

[strange python]

mfd is too many buttons, this spec is already too fast for me as it is

[spice spire]

True

[gusty mirage]

Y’all know EP/Vigor exists because there was literally nothing else to play right?

It’s not because it’s good

[spice spire]

Heard feral is good for old men right?

[gusty mirage]

Sorry can’t hear you over my ST venthyr damage

Go bonespike something and pretend EP/Vigor is good

[kind talon]

[strange python]

yeah I think I go back to feral soon

[kind talon]

W

[strange python]

turned 21 like a week ago

[small basin]

mfd is better with obediance?

[strange python]

been struggling since

got my first pension payment tho

[gusty mirage]

Mfd is better regardless

[spice spire]

Ahhhh you hit video game retirement when

[gusty mirage]

For venthyr

[spice spire]

If venthyr*

[small basin]

any special way you use mfd? in shiv windows?

[modest mural]

@balmy condor Do you prefer to play assasination or sub? PVE or PVP.

[spice spire]

Hit em with it

[small basin]

or just on cd

[gusty mirage]

Relax bruh

[spice spire]

Too slow old man

[small basin]

i'd rather play mfd, used to it from pvp anyway