assassination

[spice spire]

I heard it but didn’t believe it

Thought it was a myth

[hollow river]

Only in heroic

[spice spire]

There it is

[hollow river]

On mythic prog tho

[spice spire]

[pastel shale]

I love the urn

[hollow river]

We kept our sub rogue upstairs

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

I had to go down as sin

[spice spire]

Seems a bit int

[pastel shale]

Let me go down and just blast one target like an ape

[hollow river]

Well they needed good player with interrupt

[spice spire]

Oh your guild is a zoo

Understand that

[hollow river]

Aren’t they all a little bit

[spice spire]

Yeah

I heard somewhere once a day but deadass can’t find it anywhere

[hollow river]

I will have CE before Thanksgiving break

[spice spire]

Disregard

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Unless I’m correct in which case

I’m Nostradamus

[slow marsh]

cuz you're rp'ing cnn

fake news ass

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Dog my ass only provides the realest news

[slow marsh]

NF sin today

Is real news

[spice spire]

[violet jackal]

Next week is the week we both get Cutting Edge.

[spice spire]

Oshosi pt II electric boogaloo

NF leads to mastery worshipping

[slow marsh]

yo chill im not that troll

[hollow river]

Are you on sylv?

[violet jackal]

yes

[spice spire]

Ice blades both a Kyrian and a NF simp

Closing in buckaroo

[hollow river]

Goodluck

[slow marsh]

It's more that I enjoy driving whisp crazy with shenanigans

[hollow river]

Ez month or more of prog lol

[spice spire]

We have 4 big boy fraggers on Sylvanas prog

[slow marsh]

So I constantly look for stupid stuff that might be good

[violet jackal]

I got poached, and they said Hey don't get hit by sh** and ungabunga the boss.

[spice spire]

The Nostradamus approach

You hit your 1/100 already

10.1 is your time

[hollow river]

Ohh I thought you were still in the same guild

Which one are you in now?

[violet jackal]

cross realm I don't have to leave my guild yet for any of these mythic kills

[hollow river]

Trialing

?

[violet jackal]

I view it as I'm trialing them not vice versa to be fair

[hollow river]

Goodluck either way

[timid cloud]

Try before you buy.

Take the mount & run. I gotcha.

[violet jackal]

nah I'd stay for reclears, If I like the atmosphere and pace of progress

[gusty mirage]

damn what about me?

[oak sky]

@gusty mirage do you want to bless my vault now or wait for patch

[toxic quail]

@gusty mirage I believe in you bro.

Get that CE m8

[gusty mirage]

only upgrades I can get are a 252 belt, 252 phial or a 2nd edge of night

FeelsBad

[oak sky]

used to be i could only get sylv chest

now i have so many options

[gusty mirage]

until sylv dead and I can get KT shoulders & sylv loot

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

cause I refuse to use the 252 tarra shoulders

[toxic quail]

I’m praying for a second 259 EoN in my 1 vault option since I was on vacation last week.

[gusty mirage]

vers/mastery can eat my butt

[oak sky]

they sim lower for me

[gusty mirage]

I think they're like 0-3 dps for me lol

[oak sky]

i could use any kt or sylv loot, guardian trinket, eye chest

that might be it now

[gusty mirage]

sylv loot + KT shoulders only upgrade for me I think

I guess KT neck technically but it's kinda meh considering I have the remnant neck

felt so fucking good looting heroic KT shoulders btw

finally got rid of the 239 tarra shoulders I've had forever

[oak sky]

kt neck heroic sims better for me actually

so kt neck would be nice

nice

i guess i could get 252 arachnid cypher

[gusty mirage]

oh KT pants too I think

although I'm not sure how they measure up against the boe pants or painsmith pants

[oak sky]

yeah those are small upgrade on painsmith iirc

[spice spire]

Grue shoulders was happy for you to get it

[gusty mirage]

low crit high vers is kinda pepega tho

[gusty mirage]

you're the first person I messaged

[spice spire]

It was right after a tilting farm heroic Sylvanas wipe

And then I hard carried it, but still had p3

[gusty mirage]

killed sylv and realized I forgot to switch loot spec from outlaw

[oak sky]

Smoge

[gusty mirage]

thankfully I didn't get any loot

otherwise I would've been so tilted

[spice spire]

Only through the power of kt shoulders did we get that kill

Got the ring

Gave it up to monk

[gusty mirage]

ring's huge

rolled it with a socket

use it with my sub set

[spice spire]

Ring no socket bad for me

Still

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Top haste crit ring with socket and PF ring both at 246

[gusty mirage]

I got both at 252

[spice spire]

Sim better

Toxi

Deadass just want some rings and then just need mythic shit

[gusty mirage]

deadass come take my spot in my guild

so I can quit

[spice spire]

Nah

compared to you

Plus my guild needs the damage

[gusty mirage]

no chance

[spice spire]

Trust

[gusty mirage]

you'd parse higher than a 3 on freescribe

[spice spire]

Yeah cuz I’d grief the raid

[gusty mirage]

I'm doing full degen shit on fatescribe next kill

I actually got griefed so hard

I had to cloak one of the runes because I was getting molested by 3 beams

so when I got the bomb I had to run it out

[spice spire]

Disgusting

Hate that shit

Should have wiped on principle

[timid cloud]

I’m center rune, having to do runes when you just want to deal damage.

I DON’T WANT TO HOLD DAMAGE, I WANT TO DEAL DAMAGE.

[spice spire]

Wiped ten times to mythic eye last night
Lot of swaps, but had two mains below tank damage pretty cring

[timid cloud]

Pardon.

[spice spire]

Ye

[timid cloud]

I got like 10th string alts that don’t lose to tanks....

Let me guess BM hunters?

[gusty mirage]

lmao I got all 3 runes on our kill

felt great

[spice spire]

One was - she’s one of the guys wife’s. And actually listens to mechanics well, but also picked the game up like a month ago? Don’t count her.
Destro lock and uhdk

[timid cloud]

That’s a free pass. But sheesh.

You just hit the chaos bolty button & deal damage.

[spice spire]

Yeah got nothing

[timid cloud]

I’ll ninja your bread man.

Praying we all get EON in vault & that all reclears go smoothly this week.

I can’t get an EON this week because Sylv is not dead & I do not have a heroic option. Gotta wait until Heroic on the weekend.

[subtle tundra]

i get 2nd eon and guardian trinket 100% right

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/yesyesyes-gif-22463745

[gusty mirage]

easily

you still need to unlock your final form

[timid cloud]

You got this, King.

Tertiary stats included.

[gusty mirage]

I'm feeling a 252 phial w/ avoidance on it today

I feel it in my bones

[subtle gyro]

10% auto attack dmg ring? wha

[gusty mirage]

that got changed to a flat damage amount

[timid cloud]

That’s disabled on PTR, right?

I didn’t hear any new news about it, so I don’t know what I missed.

[subtle gyro]

is that the one were suppose to get now?

[violet jackal]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/jeweled-signet-of-melandrus-auto-attack-ring-reworked-and-functions-at-max-level-324627

[timid cloud]

Hmmm....

[subtle gyro]

only 36? blah

[timid cloud]

The Ninjas always got each other’s backs.

[spice spire]

36 per auto plus good stats is a fair bit of gain

It’s not outrageous by any means

[limber lion]

low or not, still bis

[spice spire]

But it’s yeah, probably BiS

[subtle gyro]

those stats though

[limber lion]

Doesn't seem to have any downsides

Usually unique stats have downsides

But that looks just like an extra effect slapped on top

[timid cloud]

Yeah, you take a hit of item level but gain flat damage basically to make up for it.

Gotta see how many autos I’m doing now per fight.

[subtle gyro]

How quickly are we able to get this?

[violet jackal]

Whispyr or someone else did the match crunch already, pretty much if you have 252 arachnid and heroic sylvnnas ring or better than you don't need

[timid cloud]

When Legion TW comes out.

[alpine latch]

5-6 weeks

Ugh ... I don't want to sim my shards again ... blah

[timid cloud]

Then it runs for...two weeks, if I’m correct on that.

[alpine latch]

Yes, 2 weeks and then it'll be up every time Legion timewalking is active

[timid cloud]

You just gotta go get a key from the vendor in Oribos.

[violet jackal]

correct you have 14 days to get this funneled to you

[alpine latch]

So like once every 6 weeks

[violet jackal]

i'm paying my guild member 10k each per +15 run just because i'm a nice guy

[timid cloud]

Got me on Area? 😉

I’ll have to sim my rings again. See if it’s worth, at least next tier we’ll have something juicy to try & get early on.

[alpine latch]

That's only for Sin though, right?

I'm pretty sure Outlaw at least wants it no matter what

[violet jackal]

yes

[alpine latch]

I really need to get better at keys

My buddy is an Arms warrior and just destroys me

Routinely beats me by 1k overall

[mortal summit]

@alpine latch and he's about to do it even easier

with AoE uncaps

[timid cloud]

Happens. They get too much crit & the Kyrian leggo is so crispy.

[alpine latch]

yeah

[fiery mauve]

You just wait

Apply deadly to all targets

CT uncapped

[timid cloud]

Infinite energy.

[mortal summit]

I just feel like Sin isn't supposed to be this huge burst spec...your main time to shine is the bosses and big guys

but ofc youll fall behind a warrior overall when most of the key is trash

[alpine latch]

yeah

[mortal summit]

go sub you'll beat him im sure lol

[alpine latch]

Well, I'm sure I'm missing casts and shit too

I'm not a great key runner

[gusty mirage]

ye koji said it was something like a 0.6% or 0.8% with the bis profile

[timid cloud]

Like if you put toast on a cat & throw the cat, it has to land on the proper side.

[gusty mirage]

so like solid but not wow omg I need to have it great

[timid cloud]

[full tendon]

Is your buddy Kyrian? I can't imagine my sin rogue every beating my Kyrian arms warr in a key

[alpine latch]

I have a GPU issue that I still can't fix, and it's making me gunshy about running keys

Yeah, he's Kyrian

[full tendon]

And I'm pretty good at my rogue, ngl

[spice spire]

It shits living you can

If not

No shot

[timid cloud]

The fight literally just has to be like 4-8 & they have to live long enough to get all your ruptures off & then you use vanish for garrote again.

[bleak sky]

realms up pog

[violet jackal]

SERVERS ARE UP!!! CHARGE TO THE VAULT!

[jolly comet]

in general are two 252 weapons better than 252/Sylv dagger for M+?

esp in fort?

[spice spire]

It’d be a simmer but chances are the sylv dagger will edge out very slightly

[jolly comet]

thanks

[oak sky]

@gusty mirage bless my vault servers are up

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

@oak sky blessed vault inc

[oak sky]

how do i cook it

[spice spire]

You just pull that shit out

So hard

[kindred rapids]

Rip my painsmith parse

How am I supposed to keep snd up now

[oak sky]

ok

for you quake

👑

[spice spire]

We Eatin tonight?

[oak sky]

L

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

catalogued research

[fiery fable]

best m+ leggo is still zoldycks?

[spice spire]

I ruined it

[spice spire]

Unless your venthyr then obedience is in the mox

[spice spire]

Mix

[kindred rapids]

Obedience

[spice spire]

Head piece is good

But if you have it

[oak sky]

have it

[spice spire]

Cringe

[timid cloud]

HUGE IQD

[oak sky]

[timid cloud]

I'm sorry, my brudda.

[kindred rapids]

Can't all be winners

[fiery fable]

what if you're necro?

[spice spire]

Zoldyck’s

Cut and dry

[strange python]

Any thoughts on dual wielding Heroic versions of Edge of Night versus a 252 M+ dagger? Raidbots is telling me both Edge of Night at Heroic iLevel beat 252 dagger, but I'm not sure that's right.

[subtle tundra]

why would you think thats wrong

[strange python]

I thought raw DPS in main hand was most important. Im pretty new to the class.

[spice spire]

If it sims better, it’s better

[timid cloud]

In pure ST the execute is big slammy.

[spice spire]

Double proc is pretty good too.

[subtle tundra]

depends on the stats aswell

if its vers mast 252 its worst 2 stats

[timid cloud]

Yeah, if it's that poo-poo mastery daggy from NW, then it'll probs outsim it.

[spice spire]

Based PF dagger

[strange python]

I guess Im having a hard time understanding how good that dagger's proc is if dual wielding

[spice spire]

With crit

[subtle tundra]

thats why you sim

[timid cloud]

https://i.gyazo.com/450c6fad42f851c4799e81dff8ad8273.png

[limber lion]

phial and amp

dank

[golden basalt]

lmao

[timid cloud]

I already got the Phial, it's AMP TIME BBY

[oak sky]

bruh

everyone eating except me

[golden basalt]

was gonna say that’s quite a tilting choice otherwise

Take the mistcaller

I believe

[spice spire]

Dw king well both be fasting while the rest feasting

[oak sky]

i might eat tonight

guardian could potentially die

idk how far our reclear gets

[timid cloud]

Alright, I'll take the Ocarina.

I trust the boys.

[golden basalt]

[timid cloud]

They'd never lead me astray.

[golden basalt]

I ran the sim for you, mistcaller is like 6969 dps upgrade

[timid cloud]

Gotcha, I had a feeling...

[golden basalt]

Literally big dick move is picking lumbering form

[spice spire]

Weights and Shit as well

[timid cloud]

Acid Glob, Lumbering, Primaries really.

[ornate dawn]

Huddled, Elethium, maybe acid gland and blade, or maybe crit ? I always get decent results with those

[timid cloud]

Or the scream.

[oak sky]

what necr soulbind in m+

[echo geyser]

i think heirmir generally

[oak sky]

thanks ramfam

its weird to not know something again

[echo geyser]

np i am a sin main CT enjoyer in keys

[oak sky]

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

im sending

the renown item to alts

this feels so good

[echo geyser]

i guess marileth could be decent too esp on like spiteful week

nice kevin uptime

[celest ruin]

what bosses do we go necro now?

[oak sky]

uhhhh

i think

pad on kt

and soulrender

thats my theory

[echo geyser]

nine maybe

[oak sky]

nah

doubt

but maybe i guess

its like 70% st or something

[echo geyser]

true so we go NF right?

i dont even think itll see play in sub

[vestal wren]

don't let your dreams be dreams

not sure how good nf is on outlaw but outlaw benefits probably the most

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

nf

[echo geyser]

soulshape + prisms is cool but thats about it

[oak sky]

i start leveling monk today

[subtle tundra]

what about nf m+ as assa?

[echo geyser]

[subtle tundra]

sorry i just wanna believe

[echo geyser]

korayn or what

[oak sky]

believe in what?

playing that doggy woggy covenant?

[subtle tundra]

with the leggo

[oak sky]

you like that boys?

ive already found an issue though

not a big one

so i think we gucci

[timid cloud]

We can swap freely right?

[oak sky]

yeah

but it doesnt save your last used soulbind which is whatever

[timid cloud]

I didn't wanna swap just in case I could only swap once per day.

[golden basalt]

You just have to go back and forth to the forge

Which is kinda dog but W/e

[echo geyser]

for what?

[golden basalt]

Soulbinds

[echo geyser]

activating 1 soulbind?

after swap

[golden basalt]

Yea

[echo geyser]

tbh just let us swap at the forge man

or

[golden basalt]

Just make it rest area

[ornate dawn]

What have we become

[echo geyser]

tp from oribos back to cov hall

[spice spire]

[echo geyser]

this makes it more important to have wormhole now i guess

so u can worm to oribos then hearth to cov hall

[hollow river]

JUST FIX THE GAME BLIZZARD

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

its so annoying

your hearth gets reset

when you swap

[hollow river]

Are you serious

[echo geyser]

wait

ur right

wtf

[oak sky]

yep

i mean i tested it

it was like the first thing i tried

[echo geyser]

thats quite a flaw

noones ever gonna swap cov in raid for fights

unless its prog i guess

[oak sky]

ig im setting up heirmir

also

i have the emeni quest for some reason

dont like that

[zealous talon]

Is obedience still the best legendary for m+ or are we switching covenant to necro?

M+

[hollow river]

Zoldycks

Has always been the best

Obedience a close 2nd

[zealous talon]

Oh kk thank you!

[gusty mirage]

Fat vault incoming

[oak sky]

not quite

@gusty mirage

i undercooked it

[echo geyser]

waiting

[oak sky]

i hope oxi at least gets a fatty

make up for me

[gusty mirage]

Just got home

[echo geyser]

awaiting vault

[oak sky]

lets see it oxi

[gusty mirage]

FAT RESEARCH VAULT

[oak sky]

me and you both

always next week

[gusty mirage]

its all good

very little opportunities

I'll just kill sylv tonight and loot the dagger

[obtuse valley]

can finally go venthyr now...so when you switch you can instantly get to at least 40 reknown and skip campaign quests if you have ANY character at 80 reknown right?

[subtle tundra]

do you have that neck already?

[oak sky]

you skip campaign if youve done it on another character

same with soulbinds

or

campaign is optional

but you need it for soulbinds

[obtuse valley]

yeah ive done every campaign on at least 1 of my characters. Hella dumb they dont just unlock all 3 soulbinds with that fml

[oak sky]

i think it does unlock the soulbinds

as long as you have

[gusty mirage]

the crit mastery one?

[oak sky]

i think you need to log into that character tho

[gusty mirage]

why would I want a crit mastery neck

[oak sky]

m+ for an aoe focused build

[gusty mirage]

nice meme boys

[hollow river]

do we open the vault as sin or outlaw boys

[oak sky]

sin

wait

[hollow river]

literally all we could use is a 2nd heroic dagger for sub

[oak sky]

idk

[hollow river]

or a heroic ripper for outlaw

[oak sky]

outlaw

[echo geyser]

open as sub

[hollow river]

they're both 109 dps increases for either spec

[echo geyser]

hc veinripper is yikes

[hollow river]

dagger probably harder to get though

[echo geyser]

but hc dagger is cool

[subtle tundra]

its a good neck for m+ 🙂

[oak sky]

wow i got 3 renown from both world bosses

[gusty mirage]

it has mastery

so no

I will not condone this mastery circle jerk

[obtuse valley]

yeah you get 3 now when lower reknown

[hollow river]

no upgrades ):

[subtle tundra]

wdym

mastery is good for m+

[gusty mirage]

stop it

[subtle tundra]

??

im not memeing

[obtuse valley]

3 weeks in a row ive gotten multiple KT/sylv pieces in my vault, but its been the same chest/belt I already have and the stupid KT trinket...so depressing

[echo geyser]

just do a 30 mob pull and press CT

big mastery value

[oak sky]

[subtle tundra]

you dont play 1k mastery obviously, but after 40-42% crit, its value goes down low

[oak sky]

hes onto something

[subtle tundra]

so you have to get something

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

i like mixing up the last 3 stats

or i would if i had options

[cerulean nest]

9.1.5 in a nutshell?

[subtle tundra]

i dont get what the problem is

with not having 80 renown

[oak sky]

people are lazy with covenants

ive been online for like an hour

and ive gotten like 10 renown

[subtle tundra]

people legit dont want to play the game

[hollow river]

ksm is shared now?

account wide?

[hollow river]

more like people just want to do the content that's fun for them, and not grind stuff that's not fun

[subtle tundra]

what stopping them from doing m+

[cerulean nest]

having BIS 246s already, so just doing them for vault is less fun

[oak sky]

varas u were necro for 9.1 right

[subtle tundra]

they should make tournament realm the real game

[subtle tundra]

no

[oak sky]

damn

[obtuse valley]

I feel like im the only rogue whose necro and now switching to venthyr lol

[violet jackal]

I'm necro and staying necro

[subtle tundra]

you swap between necro and venthyr

depending on what you do

[oak sky]

OOOHHHH MY GOD

[sand heath]

M+ lost some attractiveness in 9.1 or before, when things are fun blizz do there best over complicating it and make it less fun, and less.. until ppl can’t be bothered doing it any longer - rapid, big pull challenges that’s what ppl like about mythic plus

[oak sky]

i just encountered my first situation where i realized there isnt conduit energy

[subtle tundra]

i dont get what you mean by all this

[oak sky]

m+ is fun rn

[subtle tundra]

yep, cant wait to blast necro pad build this week

[oak sky]

yes dude

thats why im leveling necro rn

im pumped

[subtle tundra]

good week too, no sanguine/bolstering shit to fuck up routing

[echo geyser]

shiv to soothe mobs

[obtuse valley]

I dont hate necro but since outlaw is going to be essentially dead in m+ since its staying capped at 5, I dont see why I wouldnt play venthyr in almost all situations being that ill be playing assass/sub in raid and sub in m+

[subtle tundra]

hunter in group poggies

[brazen zodiac]

@naive tapir

whoops

[echo geyser]

i wonder if dashing would ever be worth running on high tyr keys as necro over zolds

[brazen zodiac]

same

[subtle tundra]

cause assa wants necro for fortified weeks?

[obtuse valley]

Ive seen a few rogues run dashing on very high keys

[subtle tundra]

1 rogue

no, its not good

[echo geyser]

so im missing zolds then

[oak sky]

@echo geyser infinite torgy grind

[subtle tundra]

just do some torghies for renown and get your soul cinders at the same time frien

[oak sky]

[sand heath]

What’s the “blast necro pad build “ these days? Sorry not fully kept up for a while

[oak sky]

just necro zoldyck

[subtle tundra]

being necro kekw

[oak sky]

more overall

[sand heath]

Been necro over the whole of 9.1

[echo geyser]

heirmir has some mastery + crit

then just sbs more dots and cp

[oak sky]

i miss door when i dont have it

[sand heath]

Ah ok

👍🏼

[echo geyser]

venthyr is like st/prio dmg i guess

[subtle tundra]

im going to fuck around with stats in high keys with necro zoldyck

[obtuse valley]

I usually just play sub in m+, I guess the occasions I play assa ill just switch back necro feelsgoodman that you can do that now

[arctic hare]

Whoot whoot

[slow marsh]

The time has come

[arctic hare]

For?

[slow marsh]

Are you guys ready for the night fae sin god

[arctic hare]

pfffft

sure

[wraith mantle]

whats the quickest way to get renown up, still dont have any charecters at renown 80 so i cant swap yet

currently at 74

[mortal pike]

play the game

[hollow river]

raid, m+, torghast

world boss

etc

[timid cloud]

I'd roast but I'd get lobbed.

[slow marsh]

Mr MP shhh

[timid cloud]

HB*

[mortal pike]

Anyone try a key as assa yet post changes?

[brazen zodiac]

are u able to farm korthia rares now for catalog research or am i buggin

[alpine latch]

Has anyone swapped covenant yet?

Can we freely swap without the "proving your worth" quest?

[echo geyser]

yeah u can

but u need to go activate soulbind at the forge

[alpine latch]

Have you done it?

[echo geyser]

@oak sky tested

[alpine latch]

okay

Good enough for me

[oak sky]

: D

[oak sky]

this isnt exactly it

[alpine latch]

I already have Pelagos selected

[oak sky]

it selects the first soulbind always

when you swap

at least thats what it did for me

[echo geyser]

huh

but cant u just

[oak sky]

you can probably switch in a rest area

[echo geyser]

swap to 2nd or 3rd then anywhere?

[balmy condor]

it's pretty sick, I think the closest thing I can compare it to is 9.1, and then just think about that

[echo geyser]

with a tome

[oak sky]

and i dont think it saves what you have each one set to

yeah

i was more scared when it first happened

[mortal pike]

@balmy condor I kind of want to go back to assa for a bit but like

[echo geyser]

bruh u made it sound like i have to go forge everytime i swap cov

[mortal pike]

I sim so much less than outlaw Dx

[oak sky]

thats what i was scared of

sorry 😦

[echo geyser]

at least its not as bad then

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah makes sense, sin is the worst of the 3 in m+

[mortal pike]

I just meant for raid 🙂

Not d slice haha

[balmy condor]

oh

it's the lowest for dslice as well tho

[mortal pike]

What is like...a decent sim for assa? I know some specs kinda over sim

[balmy condor]

🤨

[mortal pike]

Mmm

weird way to say that

[echo geyser]

i sim almost 15k with PI and Kindred affinity on sin

[balmy condor]

[mortal pike]

Not sure how to word it better.

rofl

[balmy condor]

I mean

I would just delete the second sentence

and it would be better

[echo geyser]

[mortal pike]

I want a sim profile just for sylv.

[balmy condor]

I made one, it sucks

too volatile

also it's basically the same thing as 1 target patchwerk honestly

lot of work, takes longer to sim, and gives you essentially the same answers as a normal sim

[mortal pike]

Hmm

[brazen zodiac]

where do u go to buy the renown to 40

[mortal pike]

Next to the flightpath in oribos

theres a guy

[brazen zodiac]

ah ok thanks

[wraith mantle]

off all the places to put them they decide right next to the flight master would be perfect

[viscid spear]

Someone said you go to 80 Renown if you have an alt that got it for that Cov, right?

Like I haven't been Necrolord at all, but my DK's at 80 Renown with them

[obtuse valley]

you have to buy the 40 reknown item on your main thats 80 reknown, and I think if youve done all the campaign and unlocked soulbinds on one character then I think? they should be available

[viscid spear]

I was hoping to just be 80 Renown with Necro, oh well

So I have to go from 40 to 80 then, lots of work

[glass tulip]

venthyr/obedience vs necro/zoldyck in a dungeon, thoughts?

[oak sky]

obedience for prio/tyran necro for aoe/fort

[glass tulip]

makes sense, that was my assumption

[brazen zodiac]

sup mavv

[glass tulip]

yo, just grinding necro campaign/renown

[brazen zodiac]

what u doin to grind

first thing im doin is killing nerco korthian rare for mount lmfao

i rly dig sbs

[fallen charm]

I have ascended to a next level of rogue

[glass tulip]

I am trying to figure out how to use it well lol

[glass tulip]

I was just grabbing some torghast for extra leggos and such

not much time today since we have raid in a while

[brazen zodiac]

kt dies tomorrow

[fallen charm]

got perma stealth in the maw for some reason

even mounting doesn't break anymore

[glass tulip]

we had a 0% on fate and RL is making us reclear

[brazen zodiac]

f

[dusky moon]

question guys, should I get 2nd sylv dagger from the vault or something else?

[fallen charm]

is it mythic?

[balmy condor]

does it sim higher

[dusky moon]

normal

sims 80dps more with 2... lol @ numbers

[fallen charm]

lol wtf

my perma stealth works with garrote

permasilence now

too bad I'm not sub

nice buff for rogues

[echo geyser]

are u telling me

u can infinite garrote

[fallen charm]

I can infinite silence

[echo geyser]

sin stonks 📈 📈

@subtle tundra it finally happened

sin bussin

[fallen charm]

got this random buff from the maw assault

[kind talon]

Busting

[fallen charm]

doesn't wear off

[kind talon]

What happened

[kind talon]

How

[fallen charm]

idk

[kind talon]

Lol

Go raid quick

[fallen charm]

I was finishing the assault and I noticed that I was stealthed while mounted

I was like wtf

[brazen zodiac]

what happened

[kind talon]

He’s perma stealth

[brazen zodiac]

based

[fallen charm]

doesn't work with cheap shot/ambush

but iron wire does

[echo geyser]

i mean perma garrote for ironwire and silence

no mobs can cast

[fallen charm]

yup

[echo geyser]

this is what sin needs to be meta 💯

[fallen charm]

I'm gonna join a dungeon then an arena and see it the buff stays

[subtle tundra]

SIN BUSSIN

HE SAID IT

[fallen charm]

it works

stealth yak

[subtle tundra]

finally, sin viable

[fallen charm]

if this work in the arena

i'm gonna grab glad real quick before I log out

[subtle tundra]

easiest glad in anyone's life

[river crater]

im new to ass and have been reading guides; why do we open with mutilate from stealth instead of ambush?

[fallen charm]

we open with garrote actually

[bleak sky]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[fallen charm]

an mutilate can give 4 combo points

ambush only 3

[river crater]

ah

right

that makes sense

[bleak sky]

not in raid

[wet dagger]

and, as a direct result, unless you're nf or running blindside, you can just take it off your bar

[fallen charm]

yeah with master assassin always mutilate

[wet dagger]

save space

[river crater]

alrighty thanks 🙂

wait so would you slice and dice after the mutilate or apply garrote

[fallen charm]

RIP

got removed in the arena

[wet dagger]

believe it's mut>SnD>mut

make use of that 50% increased crit for the 3 gcds you have it

[glass tulip]

that^

[severe sparrow]

what do we do for opener on the nine? full regular on one target and then just dot up the other after?

[glass tulip]

dots on 2nd target after shiv window

[spice spire]

Assuming venthyr, mut > SnD > Mut > garrote > flag > rupture

[storm belfry]

do you guys prefer obedience over zoldyk in m+?

[spice spire]

If it’s tyran week yeah

[bronze wagon]

venth still bis?

[full tendon]

p. sure unchanged

[bronze wagon]

👍

[spice spire]

Yes

[full tendon]

I guess I will try venthyr

[arctic hare]

Gutys

I just won the roll for The quel'thalas ring

for heroic

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

[lyric crater]

so vamps still bis for raiding

[echo geyser]

depends on fight i bet necrolord is better on some

[lyric crater]

true aoe for sure

[oak sky]

i only made it to like renown 49 today

[clever kindle]

temporary glory big pog

[oak sky]

might be enough to make heirmir good tho the last trait is beans

[clever kindle]

gemstone is good enough to overpower the lackluster last trait

[oak sky]

yeah

[strange python]

is there a soft cap on renown farming in Torghast?

[full tendon]

I luff me necrolord

[oak sky]

i was just saying im not maxed on necro yet

[strange python]

i thought 80 renown was trasnferrable 😦

[arctic hare]

Should be

[echo geyser]

[full tendon]

wdym

[echo geyser]

u can buy 40 renown

[strange python]

I know u can

I wanted to be 80 XD

[dense hamlet]

well

[echo geyser]

i also wish i could skip every boring grind in wow

[strange python]

hopefully there isnt a cap on torghast renown farm

[echo geyser]

more time for raid and keys

[strange python]

im at 53 by just farming layer 9

[clever kindle]

you can just run comp stomp

its up right now and you play vs ai in battlegrounds

plus you double up farming massive amounts of honor

[strange python]

is that faster or speed running torgy

[clever kindle]

comp stomp is super fast too, hard to say, id say try maybe one and compare times

[strange python]

im maxed out on honor anyway

[clever kindle]

ah nevermind you're good then

thats the main thing id say to do it for if its almost identical

layer 9 probably pretty brainless to run through

[lone wren]

hey guys anyone noticed a nerf to frost set bonus damage? sorry if this has already been brought up

[slow marsh]

No

[lone wren]

both rogues, our winds of winter is doing less damage tonight than it has all pre-patch

😦

[slow marsh]

What fight

[lone wren]

sylv mythic

[slow marsh]

Seems like bad rng then idk

All I know is that night fae is indeed bad and I give up on trying to optimize it

[strange python]

does assassination rogue as necrolord use zoldycks only?

[slow marsh]

For m+

[strange python]

yeah for M+ only, sorry didnt specify aaha

and is kyrian assass even worth trying?

[slow marsh]

Not really

[strange python]

for M+

[slow marsh]

If you animacharge 2nd cp you can't hit it

And Necro is better damage anyways

[strange python]

aight just trying to make my character viable for each cov if needed for dungeons

[slow marsh]

I mean if you need kyrian it's good on sub and outlaw if not the best

So we can do any of the three as a class

[strange python]

oh alright, thanks

did nf get buffed and is that worth?

[slow marsh]

It did but not where it needed to be buffed

Just got to hope for a follow-up hot fix buff I think

[arctic hare]

The ring sims worseeeeeee

[strange python]

ahhh okay, sticking to necro/venth for the time being then hehe thanks for that

[slow marsh]

Than what

@arctic hare

[arctic hare]

than my other ringssssss

[slow marsh]

What rings nerd

[arctic hare]

Insignia of Quel'thalas sims worse than Bloodoath signet by about 50 dps

[slow marsh]

252?

[arctic hare]

252 bloodoath, yes

[slow marsh]

Yeah makes sense

[arctic hare]

It saddens me

Also

i did a dumb and went outlaw loot spec for the vault to get an new weapon

[slow marsh]

It's like .01 % better for me if it pops in vault

[arctic hare]

and forgot to change back.....

[strange python]

LOL

noooo

[arctic hare]

Yeahhhhhhh

and it was my first kill of heroic sylv tooooooo

[strange python]

ive given up on getting the dagger ahaha

[arctic hare]

I will never give up

especially if I never had any hope to begin with 🤣

[slow marsh]

I had good vibes for my vault today

No dagger

But phial so I'll take it I guess

[arctic hare]

I did get a 239 outlaw weapon from the 9 in my vault, so yeeeee

Yeah, i'm stuck with a 242 phial (need to upgrade that again now that I'm 2k io) and a 252 IQD

[strange python]

sorry, one more question, what soulbind as necro for M+?

[slow marsh]

Emeni is really good if you can manage your spikes. Otherwise I think bonersmith

Marileth good too though so I would sim it?

[strange python]

hmm yeah aight

i will just simm, no more conduit energy!!!

[arctic hare]

Yeeeee!

After thursday's raid

I'll prolly switch to necro to focus on getting my Renown up

Pureeeely for M+

[severe sparrow]

i havent looked at my sims in forever and im just now realizing it consistently is putting vanish 10s after vend i dont like it.

[arctic hare]

LOL

[slow marsh]

That's weird

[severe sparrow]

i ran a second cuz i was like uhhh

[slow marsh]

What cov

[severe sparrow]

but it did it again 😩

necro

[slow marsh]

Oh

It's probs waiting for shiv

[severe sparrow]

it's janky af like, reupping gar and rupt in that time and shit

oh yeah though, now that you say that i literally made a whole ass WA for that reason

but it doesnt feel like it ever is that out of sync irl

[slow marsh]

Yeah it's not a big deal for vanish to be slightly off. It's more important for it to be inside of shiv than at the start of vend

[wet dagger]

is there a universe where bloodfang would be concievably good at a certain number of targets? it seems to proc from fan hitting different things, and now that it's uncapped, maybe in dos gigapulls it might do something, lol

[storm zinc]

Are there sims available for 9.1.5?

[wet dagger]

whether that something outweighs zoldyck... probably not

but who knows

[balmy condor]

what changed

[ebon notch]

ig dslice sims

[subtle tundra]

uh i wondered, what do i do on 10+ targets pulls?

[storm zinc]

yeah you're right nothing really changed

[slow marsh]

Nothing changes with our gameplay except for not having to CT groups twice

[subtle tundra]

do i get 4-5 ruptures and then spam CT?

[storm zinc]

outside of nf which I think isn't too great?

[wet dagger]

faq goes over the misconceptions abt 5 bleeds and spamming CT

[subtle tundra]

nah

[slow marsh]

CT first

[subtle tundra]

i dont want a guide

i know how to play assa

i wanna know

on like ~15 mobs

what do i do

[slow marsh]

CT

Then spread bleeds

On everything

While keeping CT up

[subtle tundra]

are there sims

with the changes

[slow marsh]

No

[subtle tundra]

well

thats what i want

idc

[slow marsh]

There's likely not going to be

[balmy condor]

shouldn't change anything but should be easy enough to test after raid

[subtle tundra]

spamming ct in big aoe seems like it would be the play imo, it hits all targets so it also applies poisons

[balmy condor]

might be able to spam it a couple seconds earlier

[wet dagger]

1100 impact dmg x 8 + reduced on the rest or 7k rupture

[subtle tundra]

also poison application chance on all targets

so its more than that

[wet dagger]

does CT apply poisons?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[wet dagger]

never bothered to pay attention lol

[bleak sky]

does anyone have the kyrian boomy best target spreadsheet?

[jaunty steeple]

it's pinned in #wow-general

[bleak sky]

thanks ❤️

[brazen zodiac]

uh did they change how many soul cinders u get from torghast now?

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

It’s x2

You get a socket within like 3 runs.

[brazen zodiac]

socket?

oh right

i just did korthia lul

[void wharf]

252 iqd vs 252 ocular for mythic sylv whats the best choice?

[balmy condor]

probably the ocular

[void wharf]

im getting pis every second vendetta does that change anything

[solemn mason]

you can farm them now right?

[arctic hare]

Yup

you can farm them as many as you want

[solemn mason]

through torgast?

[brazen zodiac]

the soul cinders?

[balmy condor]

not really, no

they're both good trinkets

if you like IQD, feel free to use it

[void wharf]

nah i hate giving my healers mana every second pull was just trying to think how to maximize burn

[ebon notch]

If he's getting PI every second vendetta wouldn't iqd gain cause you could sync it?

Well could I mean you could force it to sync

[balmy condor]

also would miss a cast because of it

[ebon notch]

Wouldn't getting PI also force a good stat?

Still not worth?

[strange python]

is Fatal Flaw bugged? it's giving me vers instead of crit (1242 crit 166 vers)

[balmy condor]

no, pi is %

has 0 effect

[arctic hare]

sO

I hit rank 5 on Winds of WInter last week

and I tested it

I ended up at 7.1k on painsmith at the end of the fight, like, wha?

[slow marsh]

are you sure you're getting vers or are you just using a WA that is telling you you're getting vers

[balmy condor]

is that good or bad

[arctic hare]

That is the highest dps I have ever done

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah

[arctic hare]

by like

[balmy condor]

frost set good

[arctic hare]

3 k on that fight

[balmy condor]

oh

[arctic hare]

well

2

[balmy condor]

well it's not that good

[arctic hare]

but still

I somehow just stopped thinking, and just, did

so yeah, thats fun

oh well, time to knock out for the night, cya peeps

[strange python]

its giving vers, do you have the same problem?

[slow marsh]

no i dont but i had a WA for a bit that always said i was getting vers

I've been rocking theo for a long while since getting 252 conduits

[cosmic sandal]

mfd build still going around?

[brazen zodiac]

are u able to farm torghast for renown past like 50s

just did 3 runs renown 53 and didnt get any f

[balmy condor]

naturally

[uneven hamlet]

comp stomp is bis

[brazen zodiac]

what

[brazen zodiac]

what comp stomp lfmao

[uneven hamlet]

It is up for na lmao

[brazen zodiac]

what is it though??? lmfao

u talkin about the mage tower or something

[brazen zodiac]

weird that is not an potion on my end lol

must be cause i have wm off or somethin idk i dont pvp at all

[uneven hamlet]

If u are EU i guess it isn't up yet

[brazen zodiac]

im not im NA

[uneven hamlet]

weird

[brazen zodiac]

im guessin u get a fuck ton renown for winning?

[uneven hamlet]

u have the chance to get 1 per win

u take like 4min to win every time

[brazen zodiac]

ah

took me 5 min with torghast

wish i could get more f

[hollow river]

Comp stomp I fight NPCs

Easy and fast free renown

[limber swallow]

1 minute queues too...

[hollow river]

I wonder if it will give me renown

I’m at 78

[limber swallow]

gonna find out. at 76

[hollow river]

@ me please let me know 🙃

[limber swallow]

first win.. no 😦

[hollow river]

Sadge

Keep me posted

If I have to I’ll just do the anima and Fate quests

[timid cloud]

Comp Stomp is the PvP brawl where we fight bots in Arathi Basin, it is considered PvP & also gives us renown. Takes a few minutes just like Torghast.

[hollow river]

Ready to hit 80 with Venthyr and start lvling alts finally

[viral vigil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[brazen zodiac]

oh shit

thanks

[limber swallow]

2nd win, got renown.

so maybe 50% chance.. probably slower than doing the guaranteed stuff if that's all you need..

or you could just go kill the world bosses

[hollow river]

Awesome ty

Yeah I’m going to kill the WBs tomorrow probs

Then if I have time do korthia for a bit or comp stomp

[limber swallow]

yea, I've gotten 8 renown today so far.. world bosses, invasion, weeklys, now comp stomps

3 to go and I'll have both venthyr and necro done.. don't think I care about the other 2

[hollow river]

Yeesh already 80 on two cov?

[limber swallow]

lol, yea. I was venthyr in 9.0.. swapped to necro at 40, necro to 80 in 9.1, swapped back last week

[hollow river]

Ahh

[balmy condor]

@subtle tundra it looks reasonable in giga aoe, seeing good gains past 8 targets, and looks okay for HAC, but it's so shit in dslice, can't get it to play nice

[subtle tundra]

so at ~8t+ do i spam CT with an appropiate amount of ruptures?

[kind talon]

the ct spam TECH?

[balmy condor]

it's a little complicated

[kind talon]

the tried and true

[balmy condor]

you need to have 2-3 bleeds up, have 9-10+ targets, and then you can spam 2-3 seconds earlier than atm

[subtle tundra]

that seems giga fine

[kind talon]

i see

[subtle tundra]

ty 🙂

[hexed frost]

Doomblade should be on back or hands?

[dense hamlet]

back

[hollow river]

Back

[hexed frost]

cool ty

[teal prism]

So is venthyr still the way to go ? Or is NF a good choice now ?

[sudden canyon]

this

[balmy condor]

fae is like

5% behind

everything else

AT MINIMUM

[dense hamlet]

only 5%

at minimum

[balmy condor]

it's like 4% behind on sub

and sub has the "best" results with it

so

[dense hamlet]

ye

[balmy condor]

fae is still unplayable garbage

[dense hamlet]

good

dont have to level nightfae renown

UNLESS?

next patch

[thick sail]

Is anyone else pumped about the 9.1.5 mouse cursor resizing option?