Idk if the token skips the campaign.
#assassination
timid cloud
golden basalt
Comp Stomp will be pretty sick for renown farm too
timid cloud
Is that next week too?
golden basalt
yea
spice spire
When ur raid is done for the week, swap. Grind during downtime, then swap freely come Tuesday
Unless you’re a stinky Monday raider
spice spire
Same here brøther 
hollow river
im stinky baby
🤢
vocal edge
obedience mfd is so underrated wtf
ornate burrow
hey, can you help me? my stats is 47% crit 17% haste 17% mastery 7% vers
its good?
frigid kestrel
hey, can you help me? my stats is 47% crit 17% haste 17% mastery 7% vers
Looks like good stat spread for Dashing/Frost, but sims will always be your best friend when it comes to finding out that kind of question.
ornate burrow
i already sims and the sims recommend for me more haste than crit
frigid kestrel
Unless you’re a stinky Monday raider
Monday raiding is the worse, this is my first time being in a Monday raiding guild and I never realized how inconveniently could be.
frigid kestrel
i already sims and the sims recommend for me more haste than crit
Ye, you at the point where your crit is super solid.
limber lion
i already sims and the sims recommend for me more haste than crit
Just do what the sim tells you to.
vocal edge
are you doing droptimizer or just stat weights?
frigid kestrel
Top Gear always
I use stat weights just for curiosity sakes
But I never do anything with it
balmy condor
hey, can you help me? my stats is 47% crit 17% haste 17% mastery 7% vers
I think 67% crit, 35% haste, 25% mastery, 30% vers would be better
frigid kestrel
I think 67% crit, 35% haste, 25% mastery, 30% vers would be better
%67 crit????
Tf
How?
Teach me
balmy condor
idk, that's not my problem
limber lion
thorny pond
probably get pieces with more crit
balmy condor
I just think it would be better
if you just add 10% to all your stats
you do more damage
thorny pond
Not if you are dead
balmy condor
Not if you are dead
10% stamina would help with that
thorny pond
is that italian
thorny pond
pretty sure math in italian still is math
strange python
I’m pretty sure I need to check in to anger management
balmy condor
same
thorny pond
Idk, didn't work for Tony Soprano
timid cloud
Hmmm...I still am like 20-30s off my 2nd flag after my first vendetta, is that normal?
limber lion
Huh?
Vendetta is a 2 minute cooldown, Flag is a 1.5 minute cooldown.
With Obedience it reduces Flag to a 1 minute cooldown in the best case scenario.
timid cloud
I sent it on my second flag & it just didn't line up even when I tried to bank enough cp for it going into that flag window.
indigo valley
How many of you would play OBE over Dashing if the dps difference was around 15 overall.
halcyon zealot
any dungeon where its worth playing poison bomb?
no
versed mica
How many of you would play OBE over Dashing if the dps difference was around 15 ...
idk, OBE+mfd is pretty fun. Although on some fights it can be annoying
Dashing lets me smash buttons more 
solar stump
How many of you would play OBE over Dashing if the dps difference was around 15 ...
Usually just play whatever feels nicer :) Started the tier still necro pve vigor ep. There's little optimisations you can make sure, but enjoying the game is still important. :)
quasi scroll
anyone got a good sin rogue POV sylvanas kill vid?
glass tulip
JPC's was pretty good if I remember correctly
ebon notch
you gotta record a clip for us man
upbeat needle
drifting cloud
depends on your strat id say
cerulean nest
you gotta record a clip for us man
here's a clip. ignore the general scufffed-ness. but like I said, target switches when i go Vanish into mutilate, and ive started to hover over the boss nameplate in anticipation of it happening so i can retarget
happened all night
ebon notch
here's a clip. ignore the general scufffed-ness. but like I said, target switche...
what is your nameplate addon
cerulean nest
plater
ebon notch
plater
and you dont have any tab targetting addons or camera addons or anything that could affect how your character behaves once it tries to leave combat?
cerulean nest
that's what I'm curious about. I don't think I do, but I can't imagine what else it could be
ebon notch
is it produceable on a target dummy
cerulean nest
and it doesn't happen every time is the thing, just most of the time
I tried on a dummy today and it did not happen
ebon notch
all i can really say is keep trying on a dummy until it happens
then disable all your addons and try again and see if it happens
go through your addons again see if any are out of date
cerulean nest
and during pulls tonight I several times tried fully taking my hand off the mouse, so no clicking, and 100% did not hit tab, and it still happened
yeah I guess I'll have to do that
ebon notch
like nobody else seems to have this problem
so its gonna be something unique to your setup
cerulean nest
yeah I'll do a full sweep I guess
drifting cloud
bad macro, faulty keyboard?
you just have /cleartarget somewhere and you dont know? :d
quasi scroll
Heroic Sylvanas, fight ends at 50%, so Shard of Bek worthless, right?
ebon notch
Heroic Sylvanas, fight ends at 50%, so Shard of Bek worthless, right?
still works on the adds
so
if you're progging tho you can use the unholy aura shard instead
for a little more healing
quasi scroll
ahh ty
ebon notch
or the blood leech one
thick sail
But assuming you're a true Chad and plan to attack nothing but Sylvannas, Shard of Bek is worthless
cerulean nest
bad macro, faulty keyboard?
it's not a macro but yeah idk could be keyboard too
ebon notch
we have officially seen p3 finally man
i cant react to this cause you didnt tag me
ebon notch
POG
strange python
i feel like i cant pump this week as assass in M+
whattt am i doing wrong ahah
i run talents 2/2/1//2/1/2/3 and obedience for every dungeon tyrann
bleak sky
I don't see why you wouldn't run garrote
strange python
is that dps increase?
bleak sky
but you can definitely pump this week, nothing changes
it's a quality of life increase
strange python
i usually got internal bleeding bc i cc/kick a lot for the team and i just left since fortified week bc i also use zolds, stack a lot of bleeds up
bleak sky
are you maybe holding on to cds too much?
oak sky
no
bleak sky
no
strange python
oh dont have to pair it up?
oak sky
its ok to hold for a little while on either for a prio mob or for a boss
bleak sky
logs would probably help
oak sky
but you want to use them as much as possible
oak sky
but yeah like if a pack is about to end or something you dont use and stuff like that
strange python
yeah
oak sky
if they end up synced because you cant use one or want to hold thats totally good
but especially with obedience you want to be using flag a lot
strange python
aight aight
was playing sub so it was easy to reduce flag cd to 1 min, but i cant do that as assass ahah
oak sky
yeah sin gets it a little lower but not down to 1min every time
brazen zodiac
it is normal to need to save cds for the ghost man on KT downstairs
inland hull
@spice spire Just swapping to mfd added 1k to my dps on KT. You're the man!
spice spire
arctic walrus
credit the right source
gusty mirage
@spice spire damn bro you really tryin to skeez vel's hard work like that?
spice spire
What can I say
sterile perch
does edge of night go in mh or oh if its the same ilvl as other dagger
spice spire
I like to take others credit 
spice spire
does edge of night go in mh or oh if its the same ilvl as other dagger
It generally doesn’t matter if they’re the same ilvl.
sterile perch
cool thanks
gusty mirage
It generally doesn’t matter if they’re the same ilvl.
you gonna do me dirty like that too huh
spice spire
you shortened 8 words?
Honestly I didn’t see ur reply if I’m keeping it a buck
gusty mirage
Honestly I didn’t see ur reply if I’m keeping it a buck
spice spire
?
north basin
switching 1 ring from 252 to 246, gave me 250 dps. can u believe that lol
spice spire
If it was a non crit ring to a heavy crit ring, yeah
strange python
strange python
can we reach 12k with myth sylv dagger?
she doesn't want to give me that, neither does vault 😦
ancient kraken
balmy condor
can we reach 12k with myth sylv dagger?
in theory, yes
#assassination-faq has some sims
they're still up to date
dire spoke
normal mist
To any raid leaders out there, a question:
- how would you deal with people that join your HC progress because they are "having fun" but make pretty much 0 effort to increase their class knowledge in order to deal more DPS?
Yesterday I had a talk with a guild member that raids because it's fun. I mean, is it really that fun dying to pretty much all mechanics and doing 2.4/3k DPS when they should be doing around 7/8k patchwerk?
I really need some insight because I need to understand if I'm not being reasonable for wanting them to lose 15/20 minutes watching a guide or not.
TL:DR I have some huge low DPS in my group that are being carried by other people and don't want to improve because raiding is about having fun and chatting with friends.
lost wharf
For me it depends on my goal/the goal of my raid. If everybody is fine with getting friends through HC despite them not doing dps, then I see no problem. Even if you don't manage to clear everything: Aslong as everybody is fine with it, there is pretty much no issue.
timid cloud
Just about setting standards really.
Like figure out what the environment is with the rest of the raiders & kinda draw some lines in the sand.
lost wharf
Usually what happens: It's all fine and dandy, till you hit a boss that you can't kill (usually Sylvanas I'd guess). You could let everybody play and then say you have to have a certain threshold of dps you want and everybody below is gonna be benched for that fight. It tends to not put people off, because they got a chance to play and "proof" themselfes and then suffer the consequences.
hollow river
TL:DR I have some huge low DPS in my group that are being carried by other peopl...
that depends on your raiding environment
if you're strictly casual, and want to be all-inclusive, then try your best to help them i suppose
but benching someone that isn't willing to be a team player is still fine in a strictly casual guild
bringing down your raid group because you aren't willing to put in the effort and be a team player isn't okay, in any raid environment
quasi ledge
It's all fun for them until you've been wiping for weeks on the same boss, then suddenly its not fun for these people anymore because you're on wipe 200-300. Then they start not showing, the other players who want to raid and kill the boss get annoyed you can't raid or need to PUG so they stop raiding - it always goes the same way
quasi ledge
I'm helping an IRL friend and his guild in heroic, they've been on Sylvanas for over a month now (yes heroic) and 90% of wipes are in P2. You can easily tell they all fucking hate the boss now and it's rarely the same people showing each week and most nights call the raid early now
quasi ledge
Yeah it's crazy. My friend just PUG'd it and one shot her a few weekends ago, but as a guild they're still struggling :p
Literally get to the 2nd last platform in P2 and everyone dies, like no one can move and press buttons at the same time
timid cloud
Yeah, I did see someone’s guild be like “oh I just one shot Sylv in a pug without discord like it wasn’t even hard.”
quasi ledge
@normal mist Put it this way though..
If you go bowling with friends and one person just doesn't even bother picking the ball up and just pushes it down the lane with their foot so it instantly goes in the gutter, gets stuck, then you have to wait for a staff member to go get it, are people having fun? Doubt you'll invite them next time :)
balmy condor
<@256188402116984832> Put it this way though..
If you go bowling with friends a...
you just gave me severe ptsd
subtle tundra
<@256188402116984832> Put it this way though..
If you go bowling with friends a...
never been bowling 😦
i wouldnt know
lost wharf
I doubt the worker who fishes the thing out of the gutter will tolerate the guy after the 3rd time or so.
normal mist
Thank you all for the insight, it's really good to see all those points of view. PS I'm not the raid leader whatsoever but I enjoy raiding a lot and I'm very vocal during our raid night. I'm not one to say "you and you suck" and I'm even willing to review guides with people if they want that.
It's just annoying to me that we have 235/240 ilevel people that got lots of raid gear doing the minimal effort because I feel like they know the bigger DPS will handle it even if they die
balmy condor
I doubt the worker who fishes the thing out of the gutter will tolerate the guy ...
true 
subtle tundra
Thank you all for the insight, it's really good to see all those points of view....
i mean... at some point the raid leader has to step up, you can have fun while actually playing the game not just having floor pov
lost wharf
Thank you all for the insight, it's really good to see all those points of view....
In my experience it's not that people don't care and think "Other people will handle it." It's more like they don't care and think "I just want to have fun and not gonna spend time working out guides/rotations for a hobby." OR they are just not good at the game. I met a lot of boomers that just couldn't handle a fight and do their rotation or even do their rotation properly at all.
subtle tundra
well if i'd say what i think about this situation i'd just seem like an asshole
lost wharf
It all comes down to how you see a raid, like we mentioned before. 
balmy condor
well if i'd say what i think about this situation i'd just seem like an asshole<...
L + ratio + you haven't bowled
subtle tundra
😕 yea maybe i should talk to my friends to go bowling at some point
normal mist
well if i'd say what i think about this situation i'd just seem like an asshole<...
You can dm me if you want tho, no problem!
I just think that if everyone put a little effort in their gameplay, we wouldn't be just killing 5/6 HC bosses in 3:30 hours
Btw no One in the guild is bashing other players for doing poorly. I just wanted a point of view where I could maybe help them without making them feel bad about it
subtle tundra
if i were just a raider and talk to the gm/raid leader about his intentions, if he doesnt want to actually get better clears i'd leave
if i were the raid leader, i'd talk to the raiders individually and see everyones intentions and see how many would actually try. the asshole part would be to bench the dead weight
lost wharf
All you can do is offer. If they don't take it, you can't really help them
subtle tundra
if the majority doesnt want to improve, then you just need to accept it
subtle tundra
ask yourself if its worth all the effort aswell
normal mist
The group is good. But as some say, the group as a whole sometimes is as good as our worst player, and that sometimes is really noticeable
timid cloud
Yeah. It’s just best to figure out what’s the mood of the room. If 29/30 members are okay with carrying the person that’s in question, then I guess your hands are tied.
normal mist
I can link a log from last week (again, I'm not bashing anyone, I'm the lawful good rogue) so you can understand better
lost wharf
We've all had bad groups. I think we get it 😄
lost wharf
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q9W8tDQ7HMYPTpcV#fight=39&type=damage-done
Your pala tank does well. Could tell ppl they have to be above the tank or get benched for hard bosses
normal mist
Yeah our prot usually does really well. We honestly have 0 problems with tanking and healing, they do a great job
civic orchid
hi all ❤️ been a VERY long time since i played, just came back
i played sin rogue and want to keep playing it
however rn i dont know what's up from down LOL
what are the 2-3 spammable skills I can just start grinding with right now?
i'm assuming garrote is one right?
i know there's wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than just 3 skills obviously, but right now i need to take things slow and just learn literally 2-3 skills to get back in the swing of things to take it slow ❤️
normal mist
Garrote, rupture and envenom
balmy condor
would need mutilate in there
normal mist
Keep garrote and rupture 100% of the time in the targets and use envenom at 4/5 combo points as often as you can, without letting your dots fall off
normal mist
^ mutilate for combo point generation
civic orchid
ok ty!
normal mist
Also, keep your slice and dice active as much as possible. While leveling it is kinda hard to have it always active (depending on your level), if you train that while leveling, it won't be a problem for late game
civic orchid
ok sweet
normal mist
I don't know if it is possible to make it more TL:DR than this
lost wharf
Yeah our prot usually does really well. We honestly have 0 problems with tanking...
Yea, I'm just saying that, because people often receive that as something they can understand. If you tell them an arbitary number, they will come along with excuses (I had a bad try. I couldn't do much dps, because I had downtime, etc.) If you pick a tank for comparison and say "Well you play a spec designed purely for dps, so the least you can do is deal more dps than a spec who has another job to fulfill aswell."
normal mist
Wonderful point there, I talked about that with my RL last night.
Well, I'll talk to him and think about what we want as a group. Altought as a group we are proging KT rn, he, me and a bunch others already did both him and Sylv. I really hope we don't just do aotc for those who didn't and just call it till next patch. I would be pretty sad to have to pug again
lost wharf
That tends to happen either way. Many people (me included) want to clear the content on the highest difficulty they can and then call it quits.
normal mist
Welp... It is what it is am I right?
Thank you all for the help / insight.
Let's move on from the topic!
lost wharf
Alright, back to waiting for 9.1.5 it is
normal mist
What will you be going to do? Cov change?
lost wharf
I will start waiting for 9.2
normal mist
LOL
balmy condor
join the club
lost wharf
I might wanna look into legion timewalking or the tower, but mostly it'll be just waiting for 9.2 and raid logging
timid cloud
I’m only bored because I only have one toon. Even then I’m not actually bored. Just lazy.
lost wharf
I like playing alts in m+. Raiding does annoy me too much. Takes too long to catch up with sets.
golden basalt
making an exp alt friendly is such an easy way to stretch content, right now it just feels way too daunting to gear up another character
magic tendon
making an exp alt friendly is such an easy way to stretch content, right now it ...
It takes like 2-3 weeks
To lvl a alt to 60 then to gear him up
golden basalt
depends on your intentions
codex takes quite a good while, then theres shard of domination farming gated behind weekly lockout
but if you just want to run some low m+ and have a good time then sure, its essentially just level the character to 60 and get to it
fair glade
Hey i actually killed remnant yesterday we will be progressing on dormazain and i would know if crimson tempest isreally helping in pulls and if i should just us it on adds or i can press it to maintain dot
shadow tusk
shrewd helm
Currently progging on mythic KT. Guild is having me use vendetta on opener and saving it for second downstairs. However I feel@like using it on pull isn’t the most optimal due to pulling off for tank adds.
What do you guys usually do?
echo geyser
if ur guild doesnt have low dps
u cant vendetta on pull
cause it wont be rdy for downstairs
but if it is, then just send on pull ofc
i think if u vendetta boss u just dont swap to adds unless its in range
shrewd helm
I started doing that but we have a DK that is almost never on the add of I dont swap then It’s just the warrior on the add
I was running prey on the weak and between a full kidney and both mine and the warriors interrupts we were able to lock down our add
dry void
is the new cos ring supported in sims?
golden basalt
sounds like poor RL optimization
shrewd helm
I think it was because of upstairs dps. Even not using vendetta downstairs we were having to hold dps
spice spire
is the new cos ring supported in sims?
Not yet afaik
shrewd helm
Cos ring?
echo geyser
court of stars legion timewalking
shrewd helm
Ahh
dry void
okay
lost wharf
It's not gonna work. It's disabled right now aswell
soft shale
all we know is base 226 is 27 dmg wowhead ilvl scaling thingy makes it 36 at 246
but blizz can change it any time between now and nov
rotund oak
im not saying that im gonna farm the f out of it but i will 😆
balmy condor
The 36 damage comes out to roughly not a lot of damage
But it’ll beat other rings at equal ilevel and it’s good stats
So
rotund oak
solo said like its less than 10%
i kinda doubt that assumption coz the max wpn dmg points to almost 30%
if its 36 flat dmg increase on autos
balmy condor
Oh it’s super giga less than 10%
500 auto hits of 36 damage each is 18k damage over 5 minutes is 60 dps a second
rotund oak
how though its less,it ''attaches'' on wpn dmg on just the auto atk
coz i cna remember since legion is was ''wpn dmg''
that scaled on auto
if thats the case though then ye
balmy condor
It’s not 36 weapon damage tho
placid radish
square root of second
soft shale
it really depends on things sadly for assa auto dmg in itself is not huge and has no mechanics with the spec
outlaw has bte etc and sub has find weakness/dance/SoD
spice spire
AAs are top 5 damage 
soft shale
maybe vendetta affects autos
duskwalkers build like in pvp pog
FEEL THE POWER OF MY 36X1.2 AUTOS
that get reduced by armor kek
spice spire
It’s usually our 3rd highest damage
+60 dps is whatever
But autos do have a place in our damage profile
soft shale
i mean its same thing with sylv daggers yes they do dmg and yes they are also best for assa
just they will deal less dmg
because of reasons
spice spire
Sylv daggers less good because slower spec, less finishers, less damage from banshee’s blight.
You could argue since it’s a flat rate of increase, it doesn’t really matter. Again, the bigger point is that stats are good + flat rate of increase also good. So if you’re hardstuck with 246 rings it’s a great option. Doubt it over shoots a 252 tho
soft shale
it will overshoot a 252 most likely even for assa
zinc inlet
how is assa spec in torghast?
i always been sub inside there
strange python
One question. Do you think mythic ner’zhul neck is better than kt mythic neck? I can’t sim it yet since I don’t have the ner’zhul one but I’d like to know your general opinion
spice spire
Pretty good. Or it was, you had good survivability but with set bonuses that’s been lowered some. It’s pretty good though @zinc inlet
spice spire
One question. Do you think mythic ner’zhul neck is better than kt mythic neck? I...
Probably not. But if you have mythic KT equipped, you can just droptimizer sod and see if it’s an upgrade
strange python
Probably not. But if you have mythic KT equipped, you can just droptimizer sod a...
Oh okay that’s nice thank you 🙂
soft shale
chances are you can make combinations that sim higher with kt neck as it has more raw stats and stats themselves are really close on assa
spice spire
Yeah sorry I don’t have the answer off the top of my head but 259 with decent stats is probably better than the 252 with okay stats
strange python
Yeah the thing is that since I got the myth guardian trinket, my crit has lowered to 42, so maybe with a heavy crit neck would be better
Just wondering, I have no idea
soft shale
the good thing is you can have the idea just add the neck in your simc
and can make combinations with it
strange python
Yap I’ll try it now, ty both
spice spire
Best of luck
soft shale
north basin
what u guys think about garrote-muti-vendetta-flag-rupture opener?
edgy orbit
am I the only nf here?
cerulean nest
yes
rotund oak
edgy orbit
still waiting to see if the legendary rework is useful
rotund oak
idk how it can be more usefull than venthyr but whatever 😛
edgy orbit
dunno, reviews said it works great for sub and outlaw but it was bugged for assassin till the other day
rotund oak
for outlaw
highly doubt it
for sub its powerful,everything points towards that direction
edgy orbit
good to know
echo geyser
checking wclogs rn
edgy orbit
can't remember what i was watching, it was a week ago
echo geyser
better be nightelf
spice spire
what u guys think about garrote-muti-vendetta-flag-rupture opener?
No
If you’re running MA, garrote is a waste in that window. You want the SnD running as it’s 3rd in damage most fights, so more and more autos = more dam
north basin
if u are playing MA talent why would u do that
so always flag crit is worse than double crit muti in 3 sec window?
echo geyser
yeah the opener has been simmed
rotund oak
so always flag crit is worse than double crit muti in 3 sec window?
u need snd at all times and the fastest possible to start running,the dude above u explains exactly how it works^^
north basin
iam thinking about cp loss coz i dump 4 cp into snd.)
rotund oak
its why we start with it,big snd enough to keep it up till the rotation and the 1st finisher lands
subtle tundra
its PEW PEW PAW PAW
echo geyser
snd gives attack speed + energy regen on sin right?
subtle tundra
not regen anymore
echo geyser
subtle tundra
well, they buffed our passive to compensate
north basin
u need snd at all times and the fastest possible to start running,the dude above...
i cast snd on 5 second mark. instead of 2 sec mark. i just thought my flag crit +1 muti crit would be better than just 2 muti crits.
subtle tundra
i'd assume when TC's made the apl tried all of this shit and came to the conclusion that its not worth 🙂
rotund oak
i cast snd on 5 second mark. instead of 2 sec mark. i just thought my flag cri...
no its wrong,u lose alot more dam by not muti==>snd==>muti str8 away.Stop thinking about the flag crit and think about the cps u get early from the ma window to ''set up'' faster
echo geyser
not having snd up for attack speed
is rly bad
cause melee is like top 1-3 dmg in fight
north basin
no its wrong,u lose alot more dam by not muti==>snd==>muti str8 away.Stop thinki...
first muti gives 4 cp. and i dump it into snd. 3 cp lost no? coz iam able to do rotation with 1-2 cp snd
prisma monolithBOT
echo geyser
havent even read the method one for sin yet
my go to is usually Icyveins for new class/spec
unless its monk then its peakofserenity
north basin
iam okey with guides, i did like 11500k on guardian hc (99log). iam just trying to find more
subtle tundra
monk 🤮
echo geyser
i highly doubt that u can feelcraft a new opener
youd have to be an advanced simmer & mess with APL
to look for gains
north basin
agree.
rotund oak
whisp ❤️
echo geyser
also flag crit isnt that big anyways
echo geyser
sub lost that now for symbols
and its only like a 50dps loss or so
when u sim at 12.5k
rotund oak
its like coming to your stream and flex my 20k on tarragrue mythic,i must be better than u
subtle tundra
sub lost that now for symbols
i didnt know how to do use it properly anyways 😎 so no loss for me
rotund oak
lul
north basin
in sub u can crit still?. but now it depends on ur crit rating ? right?
north basin
ye
echo geyser
and it didnt get consumed
so u always went symbols > flag > finisher
then ur next strike
also 100% crit
spice spire
Two goat rogues wrote the method guide
rotund oak
shots fired
subtle tundra
woah no need to call people animals
echo geyser
🐐
subtle tundra
no, youre ram...
echo geyser
🐏
subtle tundra
☺️
spice spire
Whíspyr also wrote the wowhead guide
rotund oak
yep thats how u pump
plain onyx
+36 is something ? or it's not really worth it ?
subtle tundra
its pew pew paw paw build
echo geyser
whats the %?
soft shale
36 can be quite a bit if you are high on gear
echo geyser
usually better to look at %, than raw numbers
soft shale
but if you are at 8k hmm
plain onyx
you mean % margin of error ?
echo geyser
no
spice spire
% gain
echo geyser
plain onyx
ohh relative dps
echo geyser
see the relative dps check box
plain onyx
new thing for me .. yeah 0.4%
echo geyser
swap between raw & % gain
spice spire
0.4 is not bad
spice spire
Strong flex
subtle tundra
speaking of loot, last night i dropped loot from sylvanas and it wasnt dagger and also loot from guardian and it wasnt trinket 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠
spice spire
Pretty toxic ngl
subtle tundra
enha shaman dropped it and didnt trade 😦
soft shale
instead of belt
spice spire
enha shaman dropped it and didnt trade 😦
Should have told the guild that a walking buff doesn’t need gear to be useful
Should know his place 
kind talon
speaking of loot, last night i dropped loot from sylvanas and it wasnt dagger an...
Speaking of loot my guild isn’t full reclearing anymore 👍
And I dropped KT neck 👍
And nothing from sylv
one day I’ll get dagger
spice spire
No shot
subtle tundra
next expansion for transmog
north basin
with standard opener u get 30 stacks consistently?
spice spire
With MfD, you should.
Without no shot
north basin
with mfd ye.
spice spire
It’s not a science on it. It depends on stat values + not bottom rolling crits
echo geyser
crit rng
spice spire
Literal slave to seal fate
echo geyser
kind talon
Just play outlaw
spice spire
But stacks will be higher than without
kind talon
Shhhh
echo geyser
broadside + snc is the juicer flag roll
spice spire
Demonic outlaw mains
echo geyser
im not the biggest fan of venthyr outlaw in raid unless u get good roll on flag tbh
kyrian seems like a nicer playstyle
subtle tundra
i call other specs boring but i played a bit of frost mage and its literally 10 ice lances in a row a lot of the time
echo geyser
Its rly hard in m+
subtle tundra
yea man, really needed this buff
kind talon
Its rly hard in m+ <:copium:854628182104080414> <:copium:854628182104080414> <:c...
Crim why are you on ramfam account???
echo geyser
spice spire
Ice mage actually gabagool spec
Throw orb
Run around throwing ice lances
Profit
Maybe for good measure you’ll drop a blizzard
echo geyser
u just have to be smart about IV usage so u dont press and not chain
subtle tundra
bro but if you dont use blizzard on cd you lose a lot of dps very very much
spice spire
True 
hollow river
kind talon
Kekw
rotund oak
im building a frost mage,its actually pisseasy
spice spire
Yeah it is
rotund oak
its like fury war 5 buttons
kind talon
@spice spire you’re a gabagool frost mage
spice spire
Yes man
kind talon
Gabagool player gabagool spec
spice spire
9.2 when I’m forced to hard swap
echo geyser
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dWnT3EAJQ9xHtwggSjMyyT so obedience only 0.2% gain over dashing
kind talon
Yejoice
spice spire
Literally plays itself
echo geyser
kind talon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dWnT3EAJQ9xHtwggSjMyyT so obedience only ...
Nice weapons
echo geyser
theyre gabagool for sin anyways u dont want it @kind talon
hollow river
shouldnt dashing sim over it
Different for everyone
rotund oak
Different for everyone
yep most likely,but pretty close in any case
rotund oak
yy guess so
hexed frost
Join a M+ PUG after raid
Forget to change conduits. talents and shards
echo geyser
<@!141252922649477120> did you sim with Theo too?
thats lethal poison as 3rd potency right?
i never bothered cause i just use sub theo
but its fine if i only raid once a week
spice spire
Poisoned katar third potency
In raid 
subtle tundra
ramfam is an assa m+ believer
gusty mirage
@spice spire I hate you
spice spire
<@226508540746006528> I hate you
Rude dude
gusty mirage
@kind talon my DH/monk buddy hasn’t responded to any of my messages since yesterday
echo geyser
Ramfam I appreciate you
kind talon
Your friend is too sensitive
soft shale
we all appreciate
gusty mirage
Your friend is too sensitive
Trueeee
spice spire
Toxi is back gents
Only a matter of time
spice spire
I mean
gusty mirage
Actually god tier gamer
kind talon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x1GVdg1nn9Kz5W7KJtER8J theo loses still
You have to sim the stats from tea
echo geyser
actually
spice spire
It makes sense but just making sure 
kind talon
Iirc you get a gain from crit only
echo geyser
equal to nadjia
spice spire
If no crit tea, int raid
kind talon
Vers play sub
spice spire
echo geyser
if u swap spec
kind talon
echo geyser
u lose buff afaik?
shrewd helm
Are we able post memes in here?
kind talon
Yes
kind talon
Are we able post memes in here?
Go for it
kind talon
If it is a sin rogue meme
Otherwise post in #off-topic
Yeah that’s #off-topic material
echo geyser
kind talon
echo geyser
playing sin = prostate exam
shrewd helm
I just wanted to post because of the gamer@comment
kind talon
playing sin = prostate exam
Actually true
shrewd helm
I deleted it
gusty mirage
Sin related memes are kosher
Your IO is a sin related meme
kind talon
@echo geyser gromnak was playing sin yesterday
kind talon
Your IO is a sin related meme
spice spire
Your IO is a sin related meme
I know :/
kind talon
^^ toxic masculinity
gusty mirage
True
I’m just tryin to put the fire in his belly so I can see him hit the 2400+ club
kind talon
Pogga
gusty mirage
He’s close 
echo geyser
this is what u wanna see
spice spire
Dealing with swaps on a push week
echo geyser
spice spire
Very cring
echo geyser
maybe i should be a sin main
gusty mirage
Dealing with swaps on a push week
You too?
spice spire
Almost there ramfam
echo geyser
gusty mirage
maybe i should be a sin main
Just make sure you buy a live fish for raid time
spice spire
No lust on tyran week very cool
gusty mirage
Throw it on the keyboard, afk, and purple parse
spice spire
I love drums
gusty mirage
Lmao
echo geyser
so how do u force crit tea on theo?
gusty mirage
Just be mean about it so that person logs off for the night
echo geyser
maybe the items gonna change a bit
kind talon
so how do u force crit tea on theo?
Just log in and out perma
echo geyser
no i mean in sims
soft shale
there is a line
gusty mirage
so how do u force crit tea on theo?
shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste
Change it to crit
kind talon
True
spice spire
profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"
gusty mirage
Because mastery sucks
kind talon
Can you roll mastery
echo geyser
u add that to custom apl?
kind talon
Primary, crit, haste or vers
Just because the mastery would be bis for boomies they removed it
Blizzard truly hates boomies….
Stop boomie oppression
kind talon
Nerd buffs
gusty mirage
sturdy merlin
Hello do you guys know how much damage you can tank with Evasion ? I tried to hold a pack of 10 mobs waiting for the tank to come back but i got destroyed before the end of evas
magic tendon
Hello do you guys know how much damage you can tank with Evasion ? I tried to ho...
Infinite
If they don’t hit u beihind ur back
sturdy merlin
I also noticed i can’t tank the full duration of the fixate guy in NW
So i was wondering
magic tendon
I also noticed i can’t tank the full duration of the fixate guy in NW
weird
spice spire
Remember evasion only works on physical damage. So if you have casters hitting you, it won’t be work. You also have to be facing them - if you turn your back or to the side, it’ll not evade stuff
magic tendon
Remember evasion only works on physical damage. So if you have casters hitting y...
Yes
sturdy merlin
Yes i was facing all the time but i really feel like there is a damage limit where you can’t take it anymore, give it a try if the flesh crafter in NW (before 3rd boss) fixates you
You won’t survive the entire time even with evasion on 🤣
magic tendon
You won’t survive the entire time even with evasion on 🤣
I am telling u.
Man.
It can tank infinitley.
If it's physical dmg.
There's no treshhold.
sturdy merlin
I assume i did something wrong then, i’ll try again in some key and stand still in front of the mob then 👍
Thanks for the clarification
magic tendon
Np.
If you need more help wit it I suggest just going and seeing what it does specifically lol
I legit tanked tarragrue with evasion for 10 secs in his enrage form so there should be no problem in tanking a couple of ads.
echo geyser
I also noticed i can’t tank the full duration of the fixate guy in NW
u cant evasion the sever hit, u have to vanish that
part magic dmg or its just not dodgeable
gusty mirage
I also noticed i can’t tank the full duration of the fixate guy in NW
so he ends up casting something toward the end of his fixate
at least from what I've noticed
which apparently you can't dodge
sturdy merlin
It would make sense 🙂
small basin
assume if i play with plague deviser i should cast fleshcraft on cd and cancel it right?
ebon notch
Yes i was facing all the time but i really feel like there is a damage limit whe...
yeah like @gusty mirage said he does a cast which is also physical damage but cant be evaded
and on high keys that one spell is enough to fuck you
gusty mirage
my daddy ain't raise no bitch
gusty mirage
if I keep this up, yea prolly
ebon notch
LMAOO
spice spire
Goat move is when the cleaver is targeting you and coming out as the cleave is being dropped
And vanish is down 
chrome spoke
imagine almost 2300 rio score just finding out i shouldnt be focusing haste in m+ im actually stupid
gusty mirage
imagine almost 2300 rio score just finding out i shouldnt be focusing haste in m...
outside of crit
chrome spoke
have all the crit gear i need tho but still
gusty mirage
it doesn't matter if you were chasing haste if your crit was good 🙂
you're not stupid
chrome spoke
ye my damage wasnt bad either
but if i should have more crit then its gonna be more now :p
so i feel stupid atleast.
chrome spoke
tnx g
gusty mirage
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message
gusty mirage
!ambush
autumn frost
!ambush
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message
spice spire
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
small basin
should i take raging battle axe of the stats for tyran?
spice spire
Depends on what’s needed more, also what dungeon it is
Like sanguine you almost never take axe as it’s dead for the final boss as she phases at 50%
But for necrotic wake, you’re chucking axes from below if you’re sent down and have bleeds up
gusty mirage
should i take raging battle axe of the stats for tyran?
Battle axe is stonks for tyran keys
balmy condor
<:kermit_pepe:731911360904036473> <@!167090536602140682> just saw ur the guidewr...
Can’t escape me, I’m everywhere
small basin
thanks
am i right in thinking you use crimson tempest in ST only outside shiv windows?
spice spire
Yes, and not at all if you’re running dashing in ST
small basin
playing doomblade
hollow river
Battle axe is stonks for tyran keys
We’ve been accepted as a booster
How often do you get picked for raids when you sign up?
gusty mirage
About a 50/50 but I can’t trade KT shoulders so it’s kind of harder for me
hollow river
So you apply as saved? Or how do you communicate that to them
I can trade everything I’m just already saved this week
drifting cloud
just depends on the community, but usually youll see in announcement if you can be saved
or maybe they ask for last minute saved dps just to have enough boosters etc
gusty mirage
So you apply as saved? Or how do you communicate that to them
Nah I just message the RL and let them know I can trade everything except KT shoulders
When you sign up there’s a saved and unsaved option
They rarely take saved people this late in the tier
hollow river
Damn I was hoping to get more than 1 run a week
gusty mirage
Sign up for the aotc sales
Those are usually whoever wants to go
Because they do like 4 to 8 in a night
Usually get a solid cut too. Like 600-700k
drifting cloud
fricking na prices
spice spire
NA full of whales
kind talon
what the fricking frick
spice spire
@gusty mirage I can funnel shoulders next week
Bringing mage to clear until sylv on heroic run
hollow river
Sign up for the aotc sales
The curve shift channel says on hold? Idk where to sign up for those
And idk I’ve seen pay outs for 3-4 aotc’s and they were like ~300-400k a person so closer to ~100k cuts a run
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> I can funnel shoulders next week
Nah bro getting them this week for sure
proper sage
Aotc cuts are not 6-700k lol
And normally those are done right after a full clear so they’re not that easy to get accepted into
gusty mirage
And normally those are done right after a full clear so they’re not that easy to...
I’ve seen full + aotcs paying out 600-700k
It was like one full and 4 aotcs for 700k
proper sage
I get like 320-350 for a full clear + aotc
But we don’t take as many buyers as we can
It also heavily depends on how many ppl the boosters are funnelling
ebon notch
Usually get a solid cut too. Like 600-700k
wtf lmao
for a full heroic clear you're lucky to get
240k
spice spire
They see how handsome oxi is and pay him triple obvi
regal herald
good evening everyone
spice spire
Good evening 
alpine latch
Nah I just message the RL and let them know I can trade everything except KT sho...
You usually need like 95% or higher for that though, don't you?
strange python
anyone wanna play whit a whit a new wow player ^^
this isnt really a great place to find people to play with tbh
theres a lot of LFG discords out there tho
spice spire
Lewis is right, there’s quite a bit of Looking for guild discord’s that are better suited, if you’re NA, I can dm you a link to the most predominant one
gusty mirage
for a full heroic clear you're lucky to get
I haven’t gotten less than 300k
So okay?
ebon notch
in EU i meant
ebon notch
kind talon
for a full heroic clear you're lucky to get
they usually do
full clear + 1 curve shift atleast
sometimes a few more
ebon notch
kind talon
yh
ebon notch
here were my cuts for all my runs last cycle
gusty mirage
here were my cuts for all my runs last cycle
Y’all getting fleeced holy
I did 3 full heroic runs made a cool 970k gold lmao
ebon notch
US wow token prices are 2/3rds the price of EUs
so i guess theres just more buyers and they dont have to drop prices as much
drifting cloud
its always been more expensive in na even tho it doesnt make sense
atleast wow wise
thats why russians rmt on na servers
ebon notch
we also have a community that cuts prices super aggressively
usually the communities communicate with each other to manage price depreciation
drifting cloud
sure but thats always been a thing
ebon notch
but theres one that literally will undercut to insane degrees
drifting cloud
its not going away
drifting cloud
and for last boss you have private boosters anyways
a guy I know has 1.5k sylv kills
kind talon
W
heavy coral
Not my screenshot, a friend of mine tho 
kind talon
oak sky
Wasnt ours like 150k for a while
oak sky
Whale market
kind talon
CHINA 600K
its the price they pay for their rtb luck
gusty mirage
its the price they pay for their rtb luck
kind talon
lmao
gusty mirage
🎲 Grand Melee 🎲
why do you gotta hurt me like that
vestal wren
#off-topic <- this way
gusty mirage
<#124169701881282560> <- this way
technically it's that way ->
hollow river
It was like one full and 4 aotcs for 700k
Fuck man I should’ve started boosting sooner I thought people were getting like 100-200k I need gold ):
gusty mirage
You gotta do it for a hot minute to get into the full + a bunch of aotc carry groups
hollow river
I’m gonna run as much as possible every week from here on out
Were grandfathered in for next tier aren’t we?
strange python
sorry guys I'm a bit new on the droptimizer
can I chose the one item I want to check? or I have to chose every item? sry I'm a bit lost
normal kite
Droptimizer checks every eligable item in the selected instance
Use gear compare for a specific item
strange python
yeah the thing is tthat I don't have the other item T.T
hollow river
You can search any item on Gear Compare
hollow river
Or you run Droptimizer for whatever dungeon/raid it drops from
hollow river
No worries 
valid spoke
Do you use MFD pre pull or in flag window
hollow river
Do you use MFD pre pull or in flag window
Flag window
solar stump
Do you use MFD pre pull or in flag window
MA window :3
kind talon
MA window :3
:3
prisma laurel
yeah guys I was wondering if there was any other way to get cinders besides torghast
oak sky
tormentors of torghast and covenant assaults
indigo valley
outside of vend/MA do you use MFD on CD?
is there any rule for saving like with shiv?
oak sky
the main criteria is using it during flag
not necessarily vendetta/ma
you want every flag to have mfd then you use it on cooldown in between and if it lines up with vend/MA you use it there too
holding for shiv isn't specifically a gain
details should be in pins
snow skiff
What tricks do you all do when you are wasting 20% of combo points? I get in this weird place, I have 3 combo points, and then mutilate crits, blam 4 P and wasted. Any advise would be appreciated, when I get it under 10% I am parsing 95%, so I think I am missing something. thanks in advance
subtle tundra
if you have 3cp, you mutilate and it crit then its not considered wasted
placid dawn
On sylvanas, if I use vendetta at start of p3 and use on cd after, will it line up with hero on last platform?
placid dawn
I use it on first and its not up for second burn, its like 7s off
should I still use?
drifting cloud
yeah you can use it after the veil and get like 15s out of it
otherwise youre losing a cast since p3 is exactly 6min long
or well 4th raze cast is pretty much 6min in the fight on the dot
placid dawn
allright, thanks man
hollow river
youre not using it on 2nd burn?
i was looking at someones log and they didn't bother with a second use in p1 nor a use on p2 2nd burn and they still only ended with 3 uses in p3
drifting cloud
well yeah? 😛
you use on 2nd burn AND 3x in p3
or well 1st burn, 2nd burn, 3x p3 or 1st platform, 2nd burn, 3x p3
atleast with the normal strat, with speed strat timings can be different especially if youre also lusting different time
hollow river
this was a first kill log from back in august
244 ilvl and they did 6.9k on the fight
i'm NOT saying that is optimal usage
drifting cloud
I dont understand the question
hollow river
just thought it was weird
drifting cloud
you can get 5 vendettas on sylv after p1
hollow river
it's not a question
it's a statement
yeah ik and this guy only did 5 total instead of 7 it's just a curious thing
drifting cloud
yes but like I said if youre not using on 2nd burn youre losing a cast
hollow river
i know
drifting cloud
because youre not gonna get 4 in p3 its not long enough
hollow river
i'm trying to understand why they did it that way lol
i can almost understand no 2nd use in p1
because depending on your stop dps timings you get nearly 0 value
drifting cloud
yeah I didnt use 2nd p1 on prog probably 50% of the time by the end
because id always save it after the veil and the boss would be too low
hollow river
yeah i mean sometimes its just troll
yeah i've tried sending it on CD before veil
but get less value, and if we happen to need to push the boss a little harder (later stop dps timing) it's safer for me to just hold
oak sky
2nd p1 i always slammed before veil
hollow river
because if we're behind i can rip it
drifting cloud
but yeah if youre gonna send before veil in opener you jsut wanna use it 1st global aswell
hollow river
2nd p1 i always slammed before veil
just so you had a consistent value from it even though you don't get the full usage?
hollow river
but yeah if youre gonna send before veil in opener you jsut wanna use it 1st glo...
i was actually wondering about this
oak sky
meh
hollow river
sending it first global
oak sky
definitely sounds cringe
drifting cloud
its just a trade off right
hollow river
it feels cringe too but tbh prolly the safest choice
drifting cloud
like for example, my guild kills guardian in 4:15-4:25
do I go for triple vendetta or not
its just gamba every week but last 3-4 kills have all been in that window
hollow river
you wanna lose 10+ seconds every pull sending before veil? or lessen that to 4-5 seconds by sending on first global
drifting cloud
and Ive always went for 2 vendettas so I wanted to try 3 next time
drifting cloud
yeah but you made your 2nd one better
like I said trade-off probably no wrong answer or what
hollow river
yeah it's definitely super min-max
drifting cloud
since 2nd one youre all ready to go with flag and mfd youre just waiting for vendetta to come off
its prob not even min-max just how my dumb ass thinks about these things
drifting cloud
youre just gonna do something 6min later thats gonna lose you x5 more dmg than either of these things do