assassination

[inland hull]

Boosting is fine. It's an in-game p2p service for in-game currency

[uneven hamlet]

yeah the token sure gives this feeling I guess, in my server u can't buy tokens so this feeling for me isn't that strong

[fallen arch]

Not as soon as real money is involved through a token

[fleet whale]

there would still be a lot of boosting even if blizz removed the token

[fallen arch]

Ive done my fair share of boosting. There’s guys out there making a living out of boosting 10hrs a day

Mainly Persian

[fleet whale]

Faction Imbalance, dead realms

[fallen arch]

Is one problem

[fleet whale]

those are the main reasons for boosting pandemic

[fallen arch]

How is that?

[fleet whale]

along with achievements and logs to a lesser degree

say you are in alliance

[fallen arch]

This we can agree on

[fleet whale]

not many great alliance raiding guilds

in fact it's very top heavy on alliance

[fallen arch]

Still plenty if ur good enough

[fleet whale]

but you still need to build a resume

what's an easy way to build a resume? boosting

[fallen arch]

But ye for a casual it’s rough

[fleet whale]

you just made me think of another problem

SL is too casual unfriendly

[fallen arch]

Not really, if you get like 10 kills, of which 8 are 0 parses

Not lot of pugs will accept you tbh

[kindred rapids]

why are there no obedience parses on painsmith

[fleet whale]

point is, even if blizz removes the token, boosting will still exist and be a major problem

[kindred rapids]

feels like it's pretty good on that fight?

[fallen arch]

I think it’s crushable if you remove the token and punish advertising very severely

But we’ll never know

Not happening

But we’re getting off topic

[fallen arch]

Cos it’s not better than dashing with frost

[fleet whale]

and wow assassin is the top spec for the raid according to logs

[fallen arch]

Is it?

[fleet whale]

I remember when SL launched and sin barely could beat tanks lol

well on average yeah

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/28

[fallen arch]

Yeah sin wasn’t great when SL came out

[fleet whale]

actually it seems all rogues specs are good

[inland hull]

Yeah, dropping CP into SnD didn't feel good in 9.0

[fallen arch]

Yes, let’s enjoy while it lasts

[kindred rapids]

according to sims they are very close. If obedience gets you an extra flag per phase that must be worth

[fallen arch]

Try it I’d say

I agree, sounds good

[kindred rapids]

for me they sim almost within margin of error of each other. could be due to my gear.

[fallen arch]

But don’t know the numbers

But it’s a hassle to switch around from other bosses

Where you all play dashing frost

And with obe I reckon u play unholy

[oak sky]

Wront

Wrong

Always frost

[fallen arch]

Right

Don’t even have obe, so what do I know

[oak sky]

Frost is a thing with our spec having a bunch of ticks and stuff and being good with crit already

[inland hull]

Frost but with high crit. Dashing frost pulled ahead for me at about 35% crit and pulled way ahead by 40%

[kindred rapids]

for some reason all of my best parses are with obedience

for some reason I can't make dashing perform as well

I'm close to giving up and just playing obedience exclusively

[lean coral]

how much crit do you have

[kindred rapids]

42%

[lean coral]

might be why

im hovering around 50% personally

[kindred rapids]

ah

that's with gland even

painsmith ring / pants will help a lot for that

[fallen arch]

That seems like a lot

[lean coral]

im gemmed and chanted for haste too

[fallen arch]

Does crit stil sim better than haste at that point?

[ebon notch]

no painsmith kills??

[kindred rapids]

nope

just getting past first intermission in prog

[lean coral]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aEbRngXFNCuN4hodGC1XZs

[kindred rapids]

just simmed a crit/haste obedience at it's simming well above dashing for me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xwimj3Nt5h6suvQ1DUwW44

[lean coral]

is that ring off the nine the only other ring you have?

[kindred rapids]

heroic breaking wheel as well

about equivalent in sims

[lean coral]

yeh cause they both kinda suck

theres 2 good rings in dungeons you can go get

bloodoath and arachnid cypher

[kindred rapids]

too lazy, waiting for the vault to give me one 🙂

[lean coral]

haste mastery legs on too

[kindred rapids]

maybe I should wait to get the legion dungeon autoattack ring

[lean coral]

2 months from now? lol

guess its a bit under a month

[kindred rapids]

those gloves though. unlucky 😅

[lean coral]

yeah

[ebon notch]

theres no way they keep the CoS ring in its current state

[lean coral]

had it in vault couple weeks ago

[ebon notch]

that'll be so bis on almost every spec

[lean coral]

but mythic sylv chest was also there

yeah i doubt that ring keeps the proc

or effect i mean

[kindred rapids]

can't believe they haven't said anything about loot

[kindred rapids]

patch is nov 2nd

[lean coral]

thats not when legion timewalking is tho fam

[kindred rapids]

what??

[lean coral]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/mage-tower-and-legion-timewalking-available-december-7th-and-every-18-weeks-324590

its a month after the patch

[kindred rapids]

disgusting

[fallen arch]

Ye

.5 patch takes what? 3 months

[golden prairie]

[fallen arch]

They give us 1 new (old thing) which takes another 4 weeks

[lean coral]

its legit just a alt patch

[kindred rapids]

wow, doesn't even have avoidance

[golden prairie]

doesnt matter, finally got'em

[ebon notch]

i somehow have never seen a single dagger

killed sylv first time week 2

on heroic

killed her 3 times on mythic now

[lean coral]

ive killed sylv since like week 3 and had mythic sylv on farm for about month and a half now

never seen a second dagger

other rogue in guild looted one and got 2nd from vault following week

[golden prairie]

2x259 shieeet

[fallen arch]

I’ve been discarding it weekly in the vault

Sorry not sorry

Heroic tho

[fallen arch]

And now he probably plays New World

[lean coral]

i think most of my guild agrees that game is trash

[golden prairie]

we've started m sylv like week ago - hope we can kill her before 9.2

[fallen arch]

If u can kill within like, 5 months

Good chance u might

[lean coral]

the goal is the guild not dying during prog or after it dies

[fallen arch]

Let’s face it, we’re not gonna get 9.2 before like March

[fallen arch]

Which happened to 2 guilds I joined already

I actually gave up

Just cba

I’ll remain 9/10 this tier

[lean coral]

first guild legit died within minutes of killing sylv

joineda new one that had it on farm

[fallen arch]

How many guilds are gonna be left after this tier

[oak sky]

Oz ur such a doomer bro

[fallen arch]

Yes sorry

I’ll stop

[oak sky]

February 9.2 💯

[fallen arch]

Bad for morale

[oak sky]

😄

[fallen arch]

January

[oak sky]

Big cope

Not totally impossible though

Depends when we get ptr

[fallen arch]

Ptr needs to hit super soon then

Not likely

[oak sky]

What do we get a 2 month ptr for 9.2?

[fallen arch]

They’ve got hands full on .5 stuff

[fallen arch]

After legion tw in december

Seems a fair estimate

[oak sky]

Yeah that doesnt sound wrong

Ptr a month into half patch

[lean coral]

if they do blizzconline again in like march or w.e

[fallen arch]

Anything later would be a disappointment

[oak sky]

Next xpac or if we get 9.3 should be blizzconline announcement i think

[fallen arch]

Which would kinda be stupid without covid?

[lean coral]

without?

[oak sky]

They arent doing blizzcon this year

[vital haven]

9.2 in like 3 months

then full throttle to next expac

there isn't gonna be a 9.3 for SL

[oak sky]

We dont have insider info

[ebon notch]

could you not

[agile hill]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fallen arch]

Idk where you live but we have 0 restrictions anymore

[ebon notch]

9.2 is late feb early march

[oak sky]

They alr said no blizzcon

[lean coral]

i mean shit florida doesnt have any either

and theyre dropping like flies

[fallen arch]

Its antivaxxers, we can do without

[ebon notch]

floridians are dying of freedom bro

wdym

[lean coral]

but yeah they aint gonna do blizzcon lmao

rona aint over

[oak sky]

They said they arent

Iirc

[stray mural]

It’s going to be another Blizzconline or whatever they called it

[oak sky]

California still has restrictions anyway

Just lighter than before

[ebon notch]

have you seen UK cases

theyve been shooting up

[fallen arch]

Netherlands too

[ebon notch]

hasnt dropped below 30k a day for 2 months now

[fallen arch]

But

[ebon notch]

and just hit 50k

[fallen arch]

Nobody seems to die anymore of it tho here

Almost *

[lean coral]

most places stopped reporting the deaths

according to google netherlands is averaging 6 a day

[ebon notch]

bro did you see when that scientist in florida

posted real numbers

and they raided her house

[fallen arch]

Which is terminally ill people anyway

[ebon notch]

to stop her

[lean coral]

6 deaths a day over a month

is not covid being over

is the point im tryna get at

[fallen arch]

But lets end the covid thing here

More people probably die of the flu atm

[oak sky]

Over there

Lol

[lean coral]

god imagine a blizzcon rn

[ebon notch]

bro our deaths are spiking to over 100

[lean coral]

most of the fuckers that go already dont take showers

[ebon notch]

we had a day where over 200 people died

[lean coral]

shit i dont even look at my state

i should

only 39 past month

lower than i thought for nyc

[ebon notch]

our health secretary is talking about cases going over 100k a day in christmas

and people are still chilling

[lean coral]

wait no this is wrong

[vital haven]

dude i dont even need blizzcon

just some communication

ANYTHING PLZ

[lean coral]

theyre too busy looking through the game to fix anything sexist

[gusty mirage]

#wow-general / #off-topic friends

[fallen arch]

Wait

This isnt assassination by covid channel?

[nimble tartan]

its like 1989 in here

[bleak sky]

no it's 2021

[fiery mauve]

does anyone know what was the consensus when you have a kyrian druid

nadja or theotar

[pure moth]

Those are venthyr soulbinds, not kyrian

[fiery mauve]

Yes

[deft obsidian]

He’s asking which soulbind is better being simped by a kyrian I assume 😉

[fiery mauve]

Yeah there was a discussion somewhere and I forgot what the outcome was

O well

[oak sky]

It gives crit right?

[fiery mauve]

With the leggo yes

[plain onyx]

is 8k overall dps for a 236ilvl in M+ considered as good ?

[oak sky]

I would think nadjia is probably better because it reduces the value of crit tea

But I havent seen any real TC on it personally

[solar stump]

also need this answer for simp parsing reasons

[hollow river]

dps in keys depends on way too many factors. which dungeon, key level, the rest of your party, etcetcetc

8k isn't terrible, but if it was something like NW for instance with damage amps inside the dungeon, then it's a bit on the lower side i'd say

[bleak sky]

fellow sylvanas gamers

if obedience and dashing are simming within the margin of error for you

would you take obe or dashing?

[hollow river]

hmm

you using mfd?

[violet jackal]

Any update on Jeweled Signet of Melandrus, anyone farming for it?

[solar stump]

is this for HC or M? and are you using MFD

[bleak sky]

mythic, mfd sims higher on both ye

[bleak sky]

mfd gaming, ye

[solar stump]

I'd stick to dashing

[hollow river]

i use dashing but it sims better than Obedience by a decent amount for me

if it's within margin of error then i'd just stick with dashing tbh

[solar stump]

but that's just because usually it generally just feels smoother to play, but I think either would be fine

your CDs are usually assigned to specific platforms regardless

[hollow river]

yep

[solar stump]

obedience just means you can flag every platform ig

[hollow river]

we're stopping dps so fast in p1 now i don't get a 2nd vendetta

[solar stump]

depends what your team needs

[hollow river]

i either have to send before 3rd veil and waste ~10 seconds of it or try to send after and they call stop ~5 seconds in ):

[bleak sky]

o

flagging every p[latform or every burn pphase?

[hollow river]

every platform

[solar stump]

Might need to flag the off target so it doesnt end prematurely

depends if you're wanting to pad or not

cos if you put it on the prio target and it melts you wont get decent value from obedience in p2

the easy answer is to go dashing and just send it when you're assigned to blow something up 😂

[balmy condor]

we don't know

[bleak sky]

gotcha, ty guys

[kind talon]

Obedience would give you an extra flag on painsmith phases yeah?

[balmy condor]

nah

at least it didn't during my prog

I got 1 extra flag during p2

but p1 push was around a minute, so no extra flag there

and p3 with lust boss melted

so you just get p2 flag

which isn't really that great tbh

[oak sky]

P1 you never get extra because everyone has cds

[balmy condor]

yeh

[oak sky]

P2 you can because stuff times weird

P3 you get 2 either way because its 10% longer

[amber fossil]

guys I am struggling to get over 4k dps on H Sylv as Necro with MA

by the time I go for chains they are already dead and then I am fdar away from boss

ilvl 239

[echo geyser]

master assasin lego?

[amber fossil]

doomblade on back

unholy shards

33% crit

[echo geyser]

maybe u could post a log and some log reviewer could help u

[amber fossil]

sry, no log to show you atm

[echo geyser]

u are likely not pressing buttons correctly

[amber fossil]

those damn buttons

[balmy condor]

same, spell book is hard to navigate tbh

[glass tulip]

O.o

[echo geyser]

whispyr

[glass tulip]

I actually type all of my spells

[echo geyser]

i got a lot of dm's saying i sabotaged u

[glass tulip]

. /cast mutilate

. /cast shiv

[balmy condor]

I know, I told them to dm you their complaints

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

I still have to fix it for tuesday

[echo geyser]

i bought new ram today, turns out 1 stick is faulty

[balmy condor]

very pog

[echo geyser]

i was trying to fix it for hrs

at least this is an easy fix

[amber fossil]

what do you guys use on chains? Al I can do is fan before they are down

[balmy condor]

nothing usually

[amber fossil]

no sense putting a bleed on them

[echo geyser]

use sbs if u are necro

get some free cp

[balmy condor]

yeh

tossing out sbs is good

maybe a rupture to snipe it but probably not

[slow marsh]

i hope your nights are going well

@ everyone here

[echo geyser]

thanks for no ping

[echo geyser]

gl on ur painsmith prog

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

[slow marsh]

tyty first pull and its already more of the same + a dc so we're off to a great start

[kind talon]

@ everyone I’m trading my entire csgo library!! Go here: lmao.com

[slow marsh]

I am already in so much pain why you do dis

[kind talon]

What’s wrong :(

[slow marsh]

painsmith still

and im so over it

[kind talon]

Sadge

[slow marsh]

idk what i've done wrong in my life to desrver this

[arctic hare]

Yay, 262 dashing scoundrel

[slow marsh]

grats!

[strange python]

scoundrel was only like a 40 dps upgrade surprisingly

[balmy condor]

necro?

[exotic rose]

Hey guys, I've been looking through logs and I'm curious why most of the highest parses (top 100) are with Vigor and Dashing Scoundrel even though Obedience and MFD tend to sim higher. Is it just the fact that it is harder to execute the Obedience + MFD rotation?

[hollow river]

it takes a while for everyone to catch onto smaller optimizations like that

[exotic rose]

I see.

e.g. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/28#boss=2432&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

[hollow river]

and yes technically its a little more difficult to execute properly i suppose

[exotic rose]

Sure, the top 1 is indeed using mfd + obedience but still 70% using vigor.

And just 8% using Obedience.

[hollow river]

just use whatever sims best for you/what you are more comfortable playing

[hollow river]

dashing/mfd sims the best for some

for me in particular it sims better

[exotic rose]

Yeah, I've been using Obedience + mfd , it sims higher for me, I was just curious why the majority of the top logs aren't.

[hollow river]

ye it basically boils down to everything stated above^

and comfort etc

[exotic rose]

Ye, cheers.

[quaint carbon]

My first orange ever in mythic RHcord

[balmy condor]

[warm drift]

can mfd be an 300dps upgrade?

[balmy condor]

Depends over what

But sure

[warm drift]

i think i might f the sim up

over vigor

[balmy condor]

Link

[warm drift]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6njhq9u98jAFrrKibyG3rR

dont mind my shards lol

[balmy condor]

Yeh looks okay to me

I’m on mobile

[warm drift]

pog

[balmy condor]

So might miss something

But aside from the gain being pretty high looks okay

Think you’re overriding something

[warm drift]

i have no idea but i think so too

ran a sim again mfd is actually a close to 300 dps upgrade with dashing too

nice

[slow marsh]

mfd is +148 for you but that specific combo is +300 compared to your current setup

[warm drift]

its 271 or not?

with haste gems

or im blind

[slow marsh]

click your highest combo without mfd then you'll see how much mfd itself gives you

[warm drift]

with obidiance 326

oohhhh

wow okay so geming haste is a big gane too for me

gain

[slow marsh]

yeah seems like it. when you're lower ilevel haste is better

[warm drift]

didnt know

cool ty 🙂

[slow marsh]

oh wait you're not low ilvl though

how are you simming so low

[warm drift]

nah im low on shards

rank3

thats kinda why

i guess

[slow marsh]

ah yeah that's it

didn't look lol

[warm drift]

did some mistakes with shards so im behind

[strange python]

can someone ELI5 how to sim food buffs in patchwerk and DS ?

or it doesnt really matter that much just but the cheapest

[balmy condor]

!oi

fuck

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[balmy condor]

!oil

[limber lion]

Pretty much this

Unless you're someone who cares about 10 dps, then you're fine just using whatever is cheapest

[strange python]

fair enough bro

[limber lion]

I just default to Sharpening Stones/Agi pots for consistency, oil is kinda ass in aoe

[strange python]

same, just thought i might sim it for good measure

but ty anyway

[limber lion]

All the power to ya

[sturdy merlin]

Hi, my mfd disappears from my spell bar every time i change my spec, do you guys know how to fix that ? I'm using elvui btw

Maybe it's the wrong channel but it only happens with my sin spec 😛

[ebon notch]

you can make a macro

just for mfd

and it should stay

[terse talon]

yeah use a mouseover macro

[upbeat needle]

dashing generally pretty bad in keys

u only run dashing for the crits to funnel winds and that doesn't work in m+ so prob still obed or zoldyks if you're necro

[sturdy merlin]

I'm not really used to mfd mouseover but thanks for the tip i'll make it a macro

[terse talon]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists][@target,exists][@player]Marked for Death

[sturdy merlin]

👍🏻 great

[charred wraith]

outlaw and 2 other specs have "different" mfd's, bc outlaw's is on 60 sec cd

[upbeat needle]

mouseover good for sniping low health targets too

while not swapping off ur main target

10/10 would recommend

[sturdy merlin]

Sure it's just a habit to get into 🙂

[terse talon]

To get the hang of hit, make mouseover for rupture aswell

[upbeat needle]

making all your rupture and garrote mouseovers ain't a bad idea tbh

[terse talon]

yepp, I do that and its pretty sweet

and a "no rupture" plater mod so its very clear which enemies doesn't have rupture applied.. makes it easier in clustered packs

[upbeat needle]

and pandemic notifier as well

"notifier"

that is not a word

lmao

[terse talon]

and Slice admiral so you can have a cat meowing when its time to reapply xD

[strange python]

how does the damage scale past 8 targets for CT and FoK is it scale root ?

[gusty mirage]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/aoe-in-patch-9-1-5-the-math-behind-aoe-soft-caps-and-square-root-scaling-324101

[celest ruin]

do you guys use vendetta on fatescribe intermission adds or nah?

[toxic quail]

I save Vendetta only for boss. But I send Flag on intermission adds.

[solar stump]

send it if its 1st intermission

keep if its 2nd

cos you want it for lust

[slow marsh]

This is your daily reminder that the night fae master cov takeover is imminent. Prepare for impact.

[timid cloud]

Not getting gaslight into that dogshit like I was in CN

[slow marsh]

it was pretty good in CN though until they reworked flag

funny how times have changed and now sepsis is the one that needs the rework

[spice spire]

It was bis covenant until 9.0.5. When you know we had covenants finally. And damage!

But also NF simps

[slow marsh]

it would actually be competitive if sepsis's stealth ability actually gained effects as if used from stealth

[timid cloud]

Also if it cost no energy.

[spice spire]

You can get a silenced garrote with subterfuge

But it’s not empowered

[timid cloud]

The only thing that makes it good is the torghast powers.

[slow marsh]

NF already struggles in the soulbind department for us. Even if sepsis got everything we would want it to get it still wouldn't be the play i htink

[spice spire]

You can lay some pipe in Torghast. Remember one of the other rogues getting the exodia of powers for NF and pulling over a mill dps. Nutter stuff

Burrs was okayish ngl haven’t even looked at the last row ever

[timid cloud]

Depends on the strat too. Sometimes in my guild, we try to make the push to 72-42 so he doesn’t get another cast off. I think next week I’ll try to full send & see where that takes me.

[balmy condor]

Not missing much

[spice spire]

I kinda figured

I’ll stick with the master covenant, Necrolord

And do some venthyr shenanigans for raid on 9.1.5

[oak sky]

Reverse

Necro shenanigans once sylv dies

[slow marsh]

sylv seems like a better necro fight idk

[spice spire]

It’s not

[oak sky]

Its not

[spice spire]

I don’t think it is

[oak sky]

Only p3 and p2 burn actually matter

[spice spire]

Because you can time your windows pretty well in p2/3 with flag

Which is infinitely more valuable than a bit of spike damage here and there

[oak sky]

Do you play heirmir anymore or is it kevin now

Marileth

[slow marsh]

i view necro as the 1min spec so maybe that's why

[spice spire]

You can play both

I prefer heirmir

But Marileth up there too

[oak sky]

Necro is still less burst and less st than venthyr

Its viable tho

[spice spire]

Mainly because Kevin >>>>>>>>< mnmenonic device

[slow marsh]

true

but

18% crit?

mnenonic device was such a letdown though

i was hype about the execute built in to soulbind but alas, it's booty cheeks

[spice spire]

Mfw 60% crit during gemstones but still 2 CP muts

[slow marsh]

truuu

but with 99% crit in MA window during flag

[oak sky]

Mnemonic device sounds really bad

Wow

[slow marsh]

it is lol

the strenght of bonersmith is the gemstones and i guess main stat is ok

but idk i've been out of the necro game since 9.1

[oak sky]

Gemstone is really solid

Idk though

I only played necro for a week or so in 9.0.5

[slow marsh]

i played necro for sire after trying venth for awhile

[spice spire]

I can tell you

However device sounds

It’s worse in practice

Out of 8500 DPS, it does about 50

[oak sky]

I mean it sounds awful

3% of your dps only below 35%

[fallen arch]

Ye it sucks balls

It’s super w/e

We play necro because of

[fallen arch]

It was Kevin all the way for the week that it was bugged

That was cool

[full tendon]

This this this

[wraith mantle]

is it worth it to duel wield edge of night or only one for debuff

[violet jackal]

dual mythic edge of nights is bis

[wraith mantle]

how about if there both normal

[shy dust]

Sim it

[timid cloud]

It only sims like 50 dps under most 252's, at least for me.

But weapon damage is big massive.

More of a Sub thing.

[brazen zodiac]

Preparations have been made. All conduits for NF have been buffed 10e100 times.

[pearl ingot]

So even if 9.1.5 hits it will still be Necro for M+ and Venth for raid? Thought NF can have a chance to be tested but if garrote is not even empowered…Legendary rework sounds good :/

[slow marsh]

yeah nf is still troll i just like to meme about it to annoy certain people

[arctic walrus]

@balmy condor is mfd > vigor in dungeons

[balmy condor]

not imo

if you play obed in dungeons, you can make a case for like "oh but boss damage"

but usually mfd + subt = pain and not good

[arctic walrus]

cool beans

[arctic walrus]

[glass tulip]

Pagman

[plain onyx]

hey guys, my rings are enchanted with haste tenets and haste gems. when i sim for m+ i get " +3 " dps difference if i change them all to Crit enchants .. is it worth it ?

[oak sky]

nah

3 dps is within margin of error

[kind talon]

hwat boss

[fallen arch]

Yeah when is that book coming out anyway

[fallen arch]

Dslice is weird like that, is is always telling me to get more haste atho it seems to be the worst secondary for aoe?

[balmy condor]

Dslice is not aoe

So makes sense

[oak sky]

bosses are a significant part of dungeons anyways

also

doesnt haste increase dot tickrate which makes it not turbo useless in aoe anyway

[fallen arch]

Ye I know but still

[balmy condor]

Correct

If anything it’ll gain a bit in 9.1.5 with target caps

Ct poison stonks

On like

The 4 pulls it matters

[oak sky]

but mastery also gains stonks

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

i feel like theres decent aoe pulls in almost every dungeon

or the potential for them

but its still mostly a feel change of course

[balmy condor]

Yeh

I mean at the end of the day

You sim for what you want to

And you interpret the data how you want

[fallen arch]

No, how Whispyr tells us to

[balmy condor]

I mean me and Ryfie disagree about sims and stuff

Me and jpc disagree

But at the end of the day, we don’t disagree that the sim is wrong, or bad, or inaccurate, etc

We disagree about what the data is showing

And as long as the person understands what they’re looking at and why it is the way it is

It’s a good conversation

The really really bad conversations that make me go

Those are the ones where it’s like “I don’t like dungeonslice for dungeon evaluations, so I sim 10 target 15 second”

And they don’t turn off bloodlust

And I’m sitting there like bruh what are you trying to get out of that

But things like playing zoldyck and some more mastery cause you prioritize aoe more, versus obedience and some more haste for bosses

Like that’s fine

You just don’t value X more than Y

[vestal wren]

its even worse currently as there are even more footguns in low target sims like the dom set

[balmy condor]

Yeh

I had someone in DM’s ask me if it’s worth to unequip cor for a healing shard, because the dps seemed not worth

My guy was simming 4 target 5 minute

:/

[vestal wren]

tbh i think you can't prevent people interpreting data wrong.
my approach is more towards just showing the data and trying to be educational about it
if someone makes their own conclusion a different way that's fine too

[errant plover]

I'm always curious how dslice works. Does it build in a time lapse between pulls?

Actually, what's the best resource to look things like that up?

[vestal wren]

it basically is a long single target fight followed by a small and a bigger add group alternating

the mob count and duration of each of the groups/mobs is randomized, this means you get diffrent uptimes on certain target counts

[balmy condor]

There’s also restealths and some random downtime between packs

So like a pack of 2 followed by a pack of 5, with 7 seconds of stealth between

[vestal wren]

koji showed the uptime in #tc-updates when he updated the fight script

[balmy condor]

But the next iteration might be a pack of 3, chained into a pack of 7

As for the where to look it up, you can see a lot in the full html of a sim

The GitHub is also good

But I’ve found that the documentation can be a little outdated at times

Still a good baseline

But like dslice numbers might not be exactly the same

[errant plover]

Everytime I ask things in rogue discord I get awesome answers and it boosts my confidence in using it, then I go to other class discords and they tell to me to avoid it. I'm going to keep using it. But will look into understanding it more (like actually reading the html). Thanks fellas.

[vestal wren]

one thing to keep in mind about dungeon slice if you compare it to your details ingame is how both work

details only shows you your active time

while dungeon slice or wcl shows you the overall dps

[errant plover]

Oh wow, didn't know that, makes sense though. Details will generally be higher then. Assuming good play.

[balmy condor]

Well the thing is that each spec has to have implementation for dungeonslice

Like rupture has a condition for things like time to die, how many are out, how many targets you have

And a lot of specs just don’t have that support

[errant plover]

Yep, understood. Was in ret discord and their apl isn't optimized for it.

But they gave other reasons I don't buy

[vestal wren]

the class/spec needs to have optimizations for add events

[balmy condor]

Yeah that too

[vestal wren]

thats mostly what dungeon slice needs

multi target support is at least for me sth that should work on most classes

because even those who "dislike" dungeon slice often use sims with multiple targets

[balmy condor]

Yeah, warrior apl for example is split into single target, and aoe

But it’s mostly a toggle on 2 targets

[vestal wren]

serialos did a kinda "supported" fight style document a while back

[balmy condor]

2+

I should say

[vestal wren]

and a lot of classes did end up supporting everything outside of dungeon slice

[balmy condor]

How do they support HAC but not dslice

HAC has similar mechanics

Add events, etc

[vestal wren]

yes

[balmy condor]

If I ever stop playing rogue shoot me

[vestal wren]

to be fair the early days of dslice had some issues

raid_events+=/invulnerable,cooldown=500,duration=500,retarget=1

[balmy condor]

Actually can’t imagine simming a warlock alt after looking at rogue apl for the last 2 years

[vestal wren]

^ dungeon slice has a invulnerability event to the main actor, this did break some things

(we talk about early versions of it, this should be all fixed for a while)

the sim does switch to other targets if the main target is invuln, but it did break some caster pre combat stuff before fixed iirc

[vestal wren]

to be fair i had quite some people tell me that they want to improve/fix the wl apl, but i think nobody did rly want to invest a lot of time into it

iirc it got somewhat better, but i am still unsure about its quality on all 3 specs

[balmy condor]

Well yeah, everyone WANTS to be the person to fix it

It’s just that they don’t actually want to do the work to fix it

It’s a lot of work to rewrite the apl, I doubt any one person will step up to it

Probably need like 3-4 people

[vestal wren]

i think its more than that

you basically need to double check the implementation before doing apl

so you need to level a wl too

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[vestal wren]

i could do some wl logs if somone rly wants to approach it

my gf has almost all classes on max level (shes atm leveling the last 2, rogue and warrior), and i could
login to her account and do some testing ask her to create me some logs 😉

[spark scaffold]

How long is it worth holding shiv for vendetta?

I usually use if I'm still going to get another shiv at maximum 10 seconds into vendetta, that correct?

Also is it worth using the deathly shadows prepull on sin aswell?

[spice spire]

Ten seconds is good

Deathly shadow prepull doesn’t work for any spec except sub

So no

[spark scaffold]

Thanks, and in the opener

I've seen a lot of openers on warcraftlogs

Is there any sequence for the first 5 casts that's always the best?

Pure single target in raid ofc

[spice spire]

Depends on covenant first

[spark scaffold]

Venth

[spice spire]

Venthyr?

Okay

[spark scaffold]

Venth dashing frost set

[spice spire]

And what’s your first three talents?

[spark scaffold]

I play elaborate planning and vigor

[glass tulip]

this is what I do, copied it from Whispyr's logs

exact same stuff as you

[spark scaffold]

I don't know if mfd is better or not

[spice spire]

This is mfd vs vigorbhere. Vigor opener is mut snd mut garro flag rupture

[spice spire]

That’s a sim question

Ye it autocorrected to and

[spark scaffold]

Ok, in case it is better, how do i incorporate it into the rotation

Use on CD

And make sure I use it during flag

Right?

[glass tulip]

yep, that's pretty much it

[spice spire]

Yes, but on the opener, after the rupture - mfd after

[spark scaffold]

Yup, and also the 1 MFD that's not during flag I should try using during shiv I guess

[spice spire]

You don’t want to prepull SnD with mfd not do it for the rupture so you can establish all your bleeds n shit

[spark scaffold]

Worth delaying shiv for that?

Yy, its for the buff from flag

I understand

[spice spire]

Honestly don’t remember as I’m a healthy necropapi. I want to say it’s possible in #assassination-faq though

[glass tulip]

you're also talking about a tiny fraction of a percent for holding abilities like shiv or mfd to go together

itll give you a few thousand at the end of an encounter

[spark scaffold]

True, and also it depends on boss timers

Maybe if you hold it you'll delay it by too long from getting a bomb on guardian for example and then it will desync with flag

You are right

Thank you for the help guys ❤️

[kind talon]

You send mfd on cd

Don’t hold for shiv you want it to sync up brother

[spark scaffold]

Nono, was talking about holding shiv for it rather than the other way around

[kind talon]

Nah

That’s even worse

[spark scaffold]

Oh and I forgot something

On warcraftlogs everyone shows up as using agility potion

But on guides it says that phantom fire is better on up to 3 targets?

[kind talon]

Consistency

Basically

[spark scaffold]

Is phantom fire inconsistent?

[oak sky]

you only hold mfd for flag btw

[oak sky]

yes

[spark scaffold]

So I should be using agil potion and sharpening stones then

[oak sky]

its more consistent

if phantom fire sims higher theres some chance it can highroll

but agi and sharpening is pretty much always the same

[rotund salmon]

what is the ideal haste, crit and versa for assas rogue in raid

[golden basalt]

sim it, I think tho the highest possible sim dps is achieved with 60% crit, 20% haste and vers/mast around 10%

wouldnt aim for it tho but just continuiously sim what seems to be the stat weights for your character

[rotund salmon]

thanks

you sim it on 7 min single target or different?

[golden basalt]

pretty sure its standard 5 min patchwerk

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/secondary_distributions/castingpatchwerk

[spark scaffold]

Only 1 question though, why start with mutilate instead of garrote when you're gonna SnD anyway and you only need 1 cp for that?

[oak sky]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[oak sky]

because we run MA basically

[spark scaffold]

Ah I see

[oak sky]

you dont want to waste your MA window by using garrote during it

[spark scaffold]

You almost get guaranteed

5 combo points for flag rupture anyway with MA

Yeah sorry, I'm dumb

[oak sky]

pretty much yeah

and then with vanish another 2 sets

[spark scaffold]

I'm only at 46 crit atm so

[oak sky]

thats plenty if it sims well

[spark scaffold]

92% chance for 4 cp

It simms 10k, but I'm at 245 ilv

[oak sky]

not bad

[spark scaffold]

It's enough for heroic at least

And first 3 on mythic

Dunno about rest since I haven't been able to pug it

[fallen arch]

Mythic is not about ilvl

[oak sky]

even with lower crit your chance of getting more combo points is still high

[fallen arch]

It makes it faster and easier

[spark scaffold]

Sure but also you don't wanna be last on the dps chart

[fallen arch]

But by no means you need ‘x’ to do mythic and do well

[oak sky]

yeah hes right

ive been the lowest geared member of every raid team ive been in for most of the tier

i still perform plenty well

only fight I havent been least geared is sylvanas

we have a lower geared feral

and its also not always ilvl but the pieces you have

[fallen arch]

U need to play realy badly or die as sin to be on the lower brackets in an avg raidteam

[spark scaffold]

Do agree with both of you truth is I'm just a dps whore 😦

[fallen arch]

That’s fine

Sin is good for that too

[spark scaffold]

I respect the mechanics but I like cheesing them as much as possible

[oak sky]

[fallen arch]

You know you’re gonna be swingin’ those spikes around come 9.1.5 Agreon

[oak sky]

well....

maybe a little

[limber lion]

[strange python]

imagine if the spike spread poisons to all nearby enenies

[oak sky]

ok, I guess you can be my little pogchamp

[kind talon]

:bonerspike:

??????????? why isnt it working

[dense hamlet]

bonerspike

[charred wraith]

not worthy

[limber lion]

Make great again

[fallen arch]

Was it ever great?

[limber lion]

Sure was in 9.0 ptr

Actually made you vanish and benefit from stealth effects

Too bad people didn't like it resetting mobs that they used it on.

Would have been dank in raids though.

And well m+ as well. Basically any content other than open world/torghast

[regal herald]

hy im new to wow and im already lvl 60 but im now at the conduit and idk how it works :/

[gusty mirage]

Like the system itself or which conduits to use?

[regal herald]

the thing whit nadjia

[gusty mirage]

Wowhead has a good write up that explains the system better than I can. Check this link out and if you have any more questions let me know and I’ll try my best to help you

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/soulbinds-conduits-covenants-shadowlands

[vestal wren]

iirc you just need to get one up to remove the swaping restrictions

[regal herald]

@gusty mirage TY ¨¨

^^

[wraith mantle]

do we have to do anything special for the frost set rotation wise or is it just play like normal?

[vestal wren]

nothing special, it just works well with the spec design if you gear correctly

[fallen arch]

Try to crit as much as possible

[halcyon zealot]

if u hit ur buttons harder u should have a higher chance at critting so do that

[gusty mirage]

all I'm saying is every time I push my buttons super hard, I crit

[plain onyx]

in m+ both weapons for Lightless force or one celetial and one lightless ?

[vital tapir]

yes, I crit my keyboard

[strange python]

IS there anyone that has a nice gear guide for the upcoming Legion m+/timewalking? What is the best gear to gather? with sockets and such

for sin rogue that is

[gusty mirage]

go study

[gusty mirage]

I never really bothered with lightless tbh I just ran sin/cel

[vital tapir]

I'm playing my last hs bgs game okay?! 😦

[gusty mirage]

I said GO

[vital tapir]

yes daddy

[prisma cypress]

do we swap to adds on soulrender or are we better off sticking to the boss

[arctic walrus]

Overlord sure, agonizers probably not

[limber lion]

You can throw a garrote and a rupture on one

[prisma cypress]

just one?

[cobalt hemlock]

do you take poisoned katar in m+? the fan of knives conduit

[arctic walrus]

Yes

[south hollow]

Which one do you guys think is more fit for KT progression? Assa or sub?

if they are played at the same level

[violet jackal]

Assassination if you are going downstairs, subtley if you are staying above would be my assumption, wait for a more confirmed answer though

[south hollow]

Yeah im going downstairs each time so i have to hold my cds

[vast forum]

either works

sub is good downstairs

assa is good downstairs

[violet jackal]

I’m sure the difference is marginal and doesn’t matter overall

[south hollow]

That's actual and factual

mfd sims higher than vigor for me, should i take it for kt since im using crimson tempest too?

i am really indecisive

[violet jackal]

Venthyr and obedience?

[limber lion]

Yes, always use MfD instead of Vigor.

That goes for all fights.

As Venthyr that is.

[south hollow]

venthyr and dashing

i didnt sim obe yet

[violet jackal]

Our lord savior has spoken trust his words

[echo geyser]

is that for both obedience and dashing?

[spice spire]

Ye

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

If you don’t have sylv dagger, dashing will sim higher, if you do, obedience generally will.
General rule, not absolute

[echo geyser]

oh rly

havent simmed assa in a while, might become my main raid spec if my lag doesnt stop

[spice spire]

It is a lag helper. And yeah - that’s what’s been uncovered anyway. But yeah mfd is the play

[south hollow]

man i feel energy starved

im not pooling right

[limber lion]

Pooling won't help you much in that department

[fleet anchor]

Assassination is a slow spec. You’re always gonna feel energy starved

Especially with Frost favoring Crit

[south hollow]

with vigor it didn't feel so bad

[fleet anchor]

Something something class fantasy

[limber lion]

And most of the time it's in the users head

Like you will never feel the difference between 15% and 25% haste

[fleet anchor]

Alt tab and look at logs if you’re bored 😄

[limber lion]

But some people claim that it's night and day

[fleet anchor]

I actually think most of what makes Vigor feel good is the higher max during the opener and coming off downtime more than the regen itself.

[south hollow]

It's like arms war and the way gcd works for them

[limber lion]

Yeah, apm wise I think they're pretty close.

MfD is basically just an extra button to press every 30s.

[charred wraith]

im sensitive you kno

[south hollow]

oh damn obedience sims higher O_O

[echo geyser]

link

this seems interesting

[limber lion]

With MFD it tends to sim higher

[south hollow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bPM5C3mcV7nTW65utjWMxG

[limber lion]

MfD + Obedience being the best performing single target combination

[south hollow]

like 20 dps higher

[echo geyser]

so using it on every fight is good?

[south hollow]

[limber lion]

Yes.

[echo geyser]

hell yeah

u still use mfd at 15 sec before pull and ull get one inside first flag right?

[limber lion]

I wouldn't use MfD pre-pull unless you get like a 25s pre-pull

It might be a bit janky for future Flag windows if you barely fit it in the first one

[echo geyser]

ah makes sense

[limber lion]

And we don't really get much from using it pre-pull anyway

[south hollow]

"yo can we make a 25s timer like we used to do in bfa? im using double on use"

[echo geyser]

yeah thats true we have infinite snd anyways

[limber lion]

We always used 25s pull timers with Method

[south hollow]

oh right! you are in method now

Congrats man

[limber lion]

Gives people time to think through talents, gear etc.

Nah, not anymore. I've quit the game. :P

[echo geyser]

so u just use it first finisher after flag i suppose

MFD

[limber lion]

That's why the past tense.

[south hollow]

[limber lion]

Yeh pretty much

[echo geyser]

interesting obedience meta

gotta run some sims later to confirm my gear

[limber lion]

I personally did Flag - Rup - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti - Env - MfD - Env

But it doesn't really matter

Just use it right away when it's available and you're at 0-1cp

[wary pawn]

after opener , we use mfd on cooldown or delay it sometimes?

[limber lion]

On cooldown, holding it for Flagellation if needed

[wary pawn]

ok ❤️ gonna keep prog in sylvanas today

[fleet anchor]

RIP

I'm just barely hanging on right now myself, if I'm honest. We'll see if I survive 9 more months of SoD 🤣

[limber lion]

Yeah, had plenty of time to play the game during covid, but with things slowly returning to normal, all my extra time is slowly evaporating. But it was fun while it lasted.

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I have been exceptionally busy of late and that's not helping

[limber lion]

I'm kind of glad the game dipped so much and the patch cycles being so extremely slow

Doesn't feel too bad to quit the game when it's so stale

Don't really get much from doing the same dailies every day and mythic raids 3 times a week for no loot.

[fleet anchor]

I really would love to make a run at parsing this tier (my gear is garbo luck right now so pointless atm) but that would require the game to cooperate and I'm running out of patience 😛

That feel when 50% of all my Mythic gear drops are from The Eye 🤔
(Wish I was joking)

[limber lion]

Yeh, gear definitely helps. Especially now where all the big guns are either 254 equipped or have some sort of externals

[limber lion]

disgusting

[fleet anchor]

Externals I can kinda live with but until I get at least one Mythic dagger and Mythic fusion amplifier I feel like it's not even worth trying

I sim like 1k or more below top gearsets atm

[limber lion]

Yeah well, Kindred Affinity giving us more than 1k dps aint helping either

Good luck trying to beat someone who has a simp druid on the roster :P

[fleet anchor]

At least I got legs and gloves this week.. was my first gear upgrades in like a month

Still sitting on 4 Heroic items in my gearset (was 6!!) after all this time

I've only kept 6 Mythic (and 4 usable) drops since the start of the tier, this personal loot tier has not been kind to me 😄

Just need to find someone to bribe for a dagger

[prisma laurel]

@here what are some daggers i should be aiming for rn i have 2 213's and im not sure which daggers i should ofcus on getting

outside of Sylvanus daggers

[vestal wren]

here or everyone is dissabled

any high itemlevel is good to get, so try to get a high itemlevel dagger or sylvanas

if you can decide, you want high itemlevel and good stats

[slow marsh]

F for Cev

[fallen arch]

It’ll probably get an asterisk like with PI?

[fallen arch]

Thank god for that

Tagging everyone with such a question? Cmon

[fleet anchor]

I don't think it's covered by the externals counter but not sure.

[limber lion]

It is not, no.

[fleet anchor]

Might be worth mentioning on WCL Discord tbh

[limber lion]

Already done.

[fleet anchor]

Still think it's fairly BS that buffed parses aren't on their own leaderboard 😛

Or at least keeping track of an unbuffed leaderboard in the background

[limber lion]

Yeah, but that brings with it possible griefing as well

Anyone with an external can grief your pure runs, because people suck

And they do dumb stuff

[fleet anchor]

lol sure, but if you're getting griefed by your own raid that's kinda not really everyone else's fault 😛

[limber lion]

But yeah, I do agree that it's a bit all over the place currently

[vestal wren]

time to make our own website "nobullshitlogs" that has a ranking with all those blacklisted

[fleet anchor]

Considering fflogs has distinct aDPS vs rDPS rankings I don't really get why Khira hasn't added a distinct ranking entry for unbuffed parses at least

[limber lion]

Kihra has said that they will be adding Kyrian Affinity as an external and it'll show up as 1 buff.

[fleet anchor]

I mean buffed parses can still go into the "main" view

And that be the default

[limber lion]

It's apparently hard to track that because it's not tracked well by combat logs.

[fleet anchor]

But I think unbuffed people deserve to know where on the "unbuffed" leaderboard they are

[limber lion]

On Blizzard's end that is

[limber lion]

I agree.

Nothing wrong with having one for the pureblooded boys.

[fleet anchor]

I'll literally never get a raid buff ever in my raid group so

lol

[vestal wren]

we had 2 enh shamans

[limber lion]

Me neither, but then again we used to private log with my previous 3 guilds.

[vestal wren]

all 2 stopped playing

[limber lion]

So kinda whatever

[vestal wren]

i mean my gear is worse than kojis, so i am not in a position to log 😛

[limber lion]

My parses can't really get any better, but I can always work on the ranking whenever someone beats my parses.

Feels kinda bad losing by a hair just because someone got fed externals though

[fleet anchor]

I'd need like 6 people in my raid to get assassinated before I got to the line of succession for PI 🤣

[limber lion]

Lost my r1 Sire parse by 0.7 dps to someone who got 3 PI's back in Cn.

Massive 0.7 dps

I don't honestly even care for externals.

It doesn't work well as a comparison to your previous parses

I aim to always do better than last time and suddenly doing 300 dps more because I get externals kinda ruins it

[fleet anchor]

Rogues aren't an awful external target (way better than those terrible charts from Azor would indicate)

But realistically Balance Druids, Shadow Priests, and Warlocks are probably better

[limber lion]

I mean

You shouldn't be using all of your PI's on the same target either

That's just being lazy

But yeah, Kyrian Druid's are just absolutely insane. Nothing else comes even close.

[fleet anchor]

We had 3 Balance Druids on prog and they ate all of them 🤣

[limber lion]

PI being like 300 dps, Kyrian druid is 1.2k

Makes no sense.

[strange python]

Kyrian?

[fleet anchor]

But Azor's chart sucks because it uses set timings for PI (not any way around to unfortunately) which just sucks for the default Venthyr profile

Since Vendetta timings aren't set

[limber lion]

Yeh

[fleet anchor]

I did some isolated tests for figuring out PI value on intermission Sylv burns

And Rogue was extremely competitive

But Shadow Priest seemed a bit better

[limber lion]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=354115/kindred-affinity

[fleet anchor]

And Demo Lock was also a bit higher

[limber lion]

Yeh, Demo is kinda dumb

[fleet anchor]

But Assassination was actually like the 3rd best option in our raid, compared to the chart which shows it as one of the worst 🤔

[fallen arch]

Also there's player reliability involved

[limber lion]

I ended up getting a single BF in p2 on our Sylv prog because I theorycrafted it and handed in solid proof of why it's the best for me instead of anyone else

[fallen arch]

'best class' isn't always best pick

[fleet anchor]

We actually ended up giving one to a Rogue on prog

Because Rogues can cloak the waves

And was more reliable

[limber lion]

Worked out well, did over 600 dps more than KSP on my first kill

[fleet anchor]

It's funny how my view of the two fights is so different. Sire was such a fun fight to optimize for, Sylv makes me SMH

Parsing on that fight pretty much seems miserable. I dunno if I'm ever going to try too hard to do it. Would require changing almost all my assignments, plus a lot of luck 😛

[limber lion]

Sylv wasn't too bad because it was very clearly separated to 3 phases.

Intermission/p2 downtime allows for cds to be back, so you can safely sync Vend/Vanish/Flag in p1 both times

P2 you use all cds on burns with BF, or alternatively on the first adds without BF

P3 you have to play around your fight length and kill time

I got multiple r1's from it, I enjoyed it quite a bit.

Progressing it was a major pain in the ass though

Having to do 9 minutes of p1/p2 before getting to p3 is just awful

[fleet anchor]

Also Sylv is crazy with the externals due to the length and nature of the fight. Like if you look at Sire, there's hardly any externals on the first page, for Sylv it's nuts

[leaden pawn]

What Crit % is recommended before switching to DS + Frost

[limber lion]

You should sim it, there is no magic number.

[leaden pawn]

Aight, waiting for my sim already, just thought i'd ask

[fleet anchor]

#wow-general message

[limber lion]

It depends on a lot of things, it's not as simple as looking at crit and changing whenever you hit a certain number.

[fleet anchor]

😄

[limber lion]

[vestal wren]

i think sylvanas is just design wise not great

but its not the worse fight in my opinion of the tier

[flint pond]

Fatescri-

[vestal wren]

fate is my candidate for the worse fight this tier

[fallen arch]

The Nine

[vestal wren]

whats wrong with nine?

[fallen arch]

Too easy

Even for a 3rd boss

[fleet anchor]

I mean for example if you are assigned to AoE side vs. ST side on second platform in the intermission, just a big DPS difference you have no real control over. And domination arrow pad is still a big part of a lot of high parses and that's just going to depend on your comp and strategy. A lot of factors. Getting chosen by the wrong arrow in P3 is just going to totally murder your P3 damage after 10 minutes of the fight. It's pretty feelsbad. lol

[vestal wren]

i think nine is fine as is

its a early fight in the tier, keep that in mind

[slow marsh]

I mean the priests in my guild are for sure lazy about PI

[fallen arch]

The step up from Nine to Remnant is not funny

[slow marsh]

Our main PI still goes to a destro lock

[fallen arch]

Its like, 3 meme bosses

And then Remnant

[slow marsh]

[drifting cloud]

thats a thing ever tier

[vestal wren]

remnant has the issue of spell queuing

just bad if it requires damage stops

[fallen arch]

You go from, 2 wipes, to 5 wipes to 3 wipes to 120 wipes

But maybe I’m ignorant

[slow marsh]

Na that's fair

[drifting cloud]

well depends on the guild

[fallen arch]

Ofcourse

[slow marsh]

Depends on how many dps you have to carry

[fallen arch]

Lots and lots

[slow marsh]

Same

[drifting cloud]

my guild had 20 wipes on eye and 20 wipes on remnant

[fallen arch]

But you’re in like a top 20 guild?

[drifting cloud]

200

[fallen arch]

Then you’ll have ppl that prepare, learn the fight and not int all the way through

Us mortals have to wait for a pull in which the ideal set of players get hit by mechanics

Or until we outgear fights by so much u can cheese most stuff

[drifting cloud]

I mean 120 on remant is alot no matter how you slice it

its not anywhere near average

[fallen arch]

It was more like 80

Just looked it up, I was overly dramatic

80 still too many there I think

[lean coral]

I don't have any issues with fate