#assassination

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bleak sky
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Spam off-gcd casts (find herbs, find minerals, toys) -> more procs (maybe?)

kindred rapids
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So use an exploit and still do less than frost

bleak sky
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Is it less than frost tho?

subtle tundra
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it is

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its a big difference between frost and unholy

inland hull
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Actually did the opener correctly for the first time in a Sylvanas pug last night. I'd like to thank this Discord for pointing that out in a previous log review and I'd also like to kick my own ass for missing out on so much damage.

limber lion
slow marsh
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Hey guys new rogue here was just wondering for painsmith, do you guys bother with balls or do you just funnel off of them for more boss dam

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Also how can I keep my raid group from dying to the same set of tank spikes every pull ?

arctic walrus
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Cum

slow marsh
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Ok I'll try to do that

quasi grotto
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You have to know everything

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100% right

ebon notch
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For sure

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Get consistently 70k+ hits outside of cds

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Cause the balls are ticking

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I theorycrafted running CT for painsmith but whispyr said it wasn't worth

toxic quail
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i ran it this past week and its good, it gets way more winds procs since youre critting on so many balls and funneling boss

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but there is already so much happening on the fight that it gets stressful adding CT

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I also tried Poison Katar and Hidden Blades. Hahaha I mean FoK was up there for DMG done. It was viable. But not a good option.

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We have him on farm so just trying different stuff. ;p

ebon notch
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dont mention poison katar

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you'll trigger @limber lion

toxic quail
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oh i know

limber lion
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Nothing wrong with Katar

ebon notch
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yeah i run it in all my m+ keys

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i really feel that extra kick

limber lion
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Saying that using it drastically increases/decreases your overall dps is weirdChamp though

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kek

ebon notch
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adds at least 1-2k dps on my fok

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hnnnnng

limber lion
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big negative

ebon notch
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dont hate the player hate the bis conduit

limber lion
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Lashing Scars?

ebon notch
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this man hasnt felt that 5% crit on fok

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feels like you're playing sub

limber lion
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I don't play the game and I've never been happier

ebon notch
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cev help me do my worlds pickems

limber lion
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I don't care for esports in any form whatsoever either, sorry

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Last time I watched LCS was Season 1, so 10 years ago

ebon notch
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ew nobody watches lcs tho

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LEC and LCK is where its at

limber lion
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You know we didn't have 329485723 different types of competitions back then

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Just one

ebon notch
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yeah ik i watched back then too

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IEM was pog

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season 1 in phreaks basement

limber lion
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Idk why there's a million different championships or whatever nowadays

ebon notch
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its because they removed 3rd party competitions

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riot owns all the 1st leagues now

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and each region has their own

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LCS is for NA, LEC for EU, LCK for Korea and LPL for China

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they have 2 splits, MSI and worlds

limber lion
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LCS used to be all of that combined

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"Worlds" wasn't a thing

ebon notch
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they started doing worlds from season 2

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so its been a thing a long time

limber lion
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Yeh probs

ebon notch
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season 2 worlds was so hype to watch actually

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clg eu out there tearing shit up

limber lion
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Don't think they had 20 different qualifiers before worlds s2 though

slow marsh
limber lion
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Pretty sure we called worlds "lcs" as well in s2

ebon notch
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no it was worlds then

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lcs was just the regular splits

limber lion
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Could have been

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But I called it lcs

ebon notch
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xd

slow marsh
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Cev do you still do log review also I'm damwon fan since day 1

ebon notch
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you have to pay him in vodka for log review

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if he doesnt black out half way through then you didnt pay him enough

limber lion
violet jackal
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imagine taking a shot for every mistake you see in a log, oh boy i could find some really spicy logs for that pepechortle

limber lion
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I mean I do on the occasion for newbies/beginners because it's easy to spot mistakes

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But not for veteran players

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Going through logs of someone who knows what they're doing is a pain

ebon notch
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cev i only started playing 10 mins ago can you look at my log pls

limber lion
prisma monolithBOT
ebon notch
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ive already memorised every word of every guide

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but im still only level 9

violet jackal
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Why is the method guide missing The Eye?

ebon notch
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cev has never killed it

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the only boss that eluded him

slow marsh
ebon notch
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no more light at the end of the tunnel

violet jackal
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We always have Whispyr, he would never leave us peperogue

ebon notch
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yes but have you seen whispyr play

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his brain his huge

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his hands are not

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jk ❤️ whisp

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xoxo

limber lion
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Quite a few things are out of date as well already, like MfD and KT and there's some really poor wording/sentences here and there

violet jackal
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interesting

limber lion
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It was written as a 31 page word document and changed around to fit the website

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And manually adding all the links, pictures, embeds etc.

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I wasn't responsible of the conversion and publishing, so some things might have gone missing but I'll let the Method guide management know if I get around to it some day.

slow marsh
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Well I don't like method anymore that you're not in it @limber lion

ebon notch
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was cause of him

slow marsh
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Lmao too true

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Guess I'm just a limit fan boy again even though they don't have any RH rogue homies

ebon notch
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wdym

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james poggers champion is in there

slow marsh
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Is he now ?

ebon notch
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for like

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over a month

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lmao

slow marsh
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I heard rumors and saw he was trial or something

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Well pog then

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I don't pay much attention after rwf tbh so I don't see the moves u til after

balmy condor
slow marsh
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Lmao

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R1 healer parse tho

ebon notch
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binding crimson vial to every button

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although getting big frost set shields is kinda important too

balmy condor
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yeh I'll have rank 5 frost gems in a week or two

soft shale
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is time for me to go into the sand pit?

gusty mirage
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?

bleak sky
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?

ebon notch
soft shale
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wait for the 20% leech+leeching poison tel kyr and blood seet

balmy condor
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hacha stealing all my strats

soft shale
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i still feel salty about blizz nerfing the power of money

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cn was so comfy with 4 boes

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now all the leech gear gets stolen by heals

ebon notch
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homies

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what the fuck

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i just obliterated

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the last rank 1

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by like 800 dps

soft shale
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just crit more kekw

halcyon zealot
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average winds crit 62k nbd seemsGood

ebon notch
ebon notch
gusty mirage
ebon notch
thick briar
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Ive been venthyr this entire patch, but now i see this BROKEN shit for night fae

unknown.png
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having that with the opener and with frost set??

ornate dawn
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That’s a very small part of a fight to commit to going NF for, doesn’t sound worth when you consider the benefits of venth nad %dmg increase which is the entirety of the fight

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And the flagellation bonuses

thick briar
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ah okay phew

ornate dawn
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Plus with high crit and master assassin on the opener anyway do you need it?

balmy condor
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5 seconds in a 5 minute fight

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kinda yuck

thick briar
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Nah not rly, just sounded so cool in theory haha

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Cuz i just found out i need to switch from my fully upgraded unholy gem set piece to frost this evening SucksMan

balmy condor
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yeh

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if you aren't playing sub

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frost def the way to go

keen mantle
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Joined phase 3 of sylvanas mythic 8.7k without padding . My god those set crits .

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Never gonna get those numbers again

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and it wasnt a kill obv

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rip log

ebon notch
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can you link log?

keen mantle
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Sure sec

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I think it's this one

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If I'm not mistaken

ebon notch
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we have to stop dps

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in p1

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so i went out with 8k dps

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you went out with 11k

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lmao

keen mantle
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Also missed this 46% pull

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Almost top 10 log . Damn

ebon notch
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do you guys not stop dps?

keen mantle
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Ye in p1 I have the time to use 2nd CDs

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On boss

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My grp pads a lot I guess I don't know

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And I can attack boss haha

hollow river
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Shouldn’t you always get 2nd CDs?

ebon notch
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yh second cds is nothing new

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but the fact that they dont have enough dps

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to stop dps

keen mantle
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I don't know .

ebon notch
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is crazy

keen mantle
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After my 2nd CDs

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We kill adds and phase it

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So I don't lose uptime on dmg

ebon notch
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yeah

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we had to stop dps for like

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25 seconds?

keen mantle
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We don't stop tbh

hollow river
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I almost have enough time to squeeze a 3rd flag omegalul

keen mantle
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Dmg is tight maybe on boss that's why

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I use 3rd flag on arrows

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Cause on phase 2 I use CDs on boss only

hollow river
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We don’t have enough dps to stop either

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But we haven’t optimized chain damage yet

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We’ve stopped once or twice

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In 45ish pulls

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Seen intermission like 5 times

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With most dying to intermission

ebon notch
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also that PI on the burn with double cds

hollow river
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That sounds sick

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PI carries hard on sylv

keen mantle
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Ye I get 1 pi

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But that 8.7 on 3rd phase could easily be rank 1

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8.7 at start of 3rd

ebon notch
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yeah your comp is nuts for you

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you dont have enough ST dps

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so you get to pump permantly

hollow river
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that sounds so nice

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we have too much ST not enough aoe

drowsy parcel
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if you have too much st you can phase her on third veil and skip last set of arrows

ebon notch
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yeah but if you dont have enough then you'll be stuck in a deadzone

drowsy parcel
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i mean yeah you gotta commit to it

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we didnt do it on prog but do it on reclears, makes it so much more enjoyable

hollow river
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we don't have enough dps for that

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trust

drowsy parcel
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just get more boomkins 4Head

ebon notch
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we had 3 on prog

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lmao

hollow river
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We have 1 boomkin that is nf

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And also healer main I think

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We had two Venthyr boomies that were pretty good but they both quit

drowsy parcel
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such is the way of the venthyr boomie

hollow river
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I’m probably going Venthyr boomie next tier

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Idk yet but I want a ranged back up

ebon notch
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cringe

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go hunter

twilit storm
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why stealth mutilate is used instead of ambush?

hollow river
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Hunter is an option too

zinc frost
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!mut

prisma monolithBOT
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Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

hollow river
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That’s why^

balmy condor
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Blizzard decided to make ambush trash

oak sky
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what if

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ambush had a 90% chance to proc a core spec mechanic

ebon notch
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i remember playing my twink rogue

oak sky
ebon notch
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shadowstep ambush

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oneshotting kids in bgs

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good times

hollow river
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i got into some 2s last night for the first time

ebon notch
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i cant wait for the assa legendary that gives us random procs of vendetta

hollow river
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if only

keen mantle
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@ebon notch whats that leggo? never heard of that

full tendon
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Vision of Perfection as a lego

ebon notch
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it was a dream

oak sky
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celerevendettay

balmy condor
ebon notch
balmy condor
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Need 2 weeks to max frost gems

ebon notch
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you cant get before?

balmy condor
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Well I don’t want to do it again

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Ya know

ebon notch
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wait wdym

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you have blood set right

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you can easily get healing logs with blood set and theotar

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rank 1 the nine today

hollow river
ebon notch
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i know whisp will be up all night theory crafting

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when he gets rank 5 frost set

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he will shit on me

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getting like 5k hps or smth crazy

balmy condor
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I mean I think I can do 3.1-3.3 fairly consistently

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with rank 5

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with a bit of leech gear juice I think 3.5 is like

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very doable

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my guardian rank 1 is 3.1

ebon notch
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i need tarragrue rank 1 and soulrender

balmy condor
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and I got 3 bombs on that kill

ebon notch
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and then i have all 100s

balmy condor
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better get them now kid

ebon notch
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ye ye

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lets see your damage logs

balmy condor
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damage parses are so dishonest anyway for real on god

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I just want to help my raid out

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healing logs

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is where the children of god go

ebon notch
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what have i turned you into

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xd

balmy condor
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a pious man

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I got like 2 months of sylvanas ahead of me I need something to keep me entertained

hollow river
balmy condor
hollow river
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I tried sub for a pull on sylv

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It felt so ass

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Outlaw actually felt Comfy

oak sky
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2 months

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wtf whispyr

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ur a doomer

full tendon
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Fewer expectations, fewer disappointments. 😎

balmy condor
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2 day raiding

oak sky
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oh

ebon notch
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i was 2 day raiding :<

balmy condor
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I'm just preparing for stream viewership to go up due to lit trackmania content between pulls

spice spire
jaunty goblet
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Once in a blue moon, Flagellation hits the boss and stays at 1 stack, can't stack it up at all. I assumed it got parried or something weird, but the initial application hit for damage and I got damage from the first tick or w/e. Anyone else experienced this? Maybe it was just a parry or something weird

oak sky
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its parry

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only has happened to me in front of the boss

balmy condor
spice spire
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MORE

jaunty goblet
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Gotcha, thanks for the confirmation will be more careful 🙂

balmy condor
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parry and miss antique mechanics replace with more interesting stats thanks blizz

kind talon
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hm

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wonder why i was low dps

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on this boss kill

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hm

spice spire
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Winds of winter check

kind talon
echo geyser
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do u guys not play mfd with obedience in keys?

spice spire
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I play Zoldyck’s but I’m a filthy Necrolord monkaHmm

echo geyser
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@kind talon u rly changed since u went sin

kind talon
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@echo geyser what changed

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loss of braincell?

echo geyser
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u swapped to venthyr

ebon notch
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Xd

balmy condor
kind talon
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i can still play outlaw

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as venthyr

echo geyser
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and sub kermit_pepe

ebon notch
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Ttue

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True

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Venth is goated

echo geyser
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best raid cov

ebon notch
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@echo geyser log review pls cev retired

kind talon
echo geyser
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OMEGAKEKW imagine me doing log reviews logs

ebon notch
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I'd love ot

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It

kind talon
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LAMO

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LMAO

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that would be hilarious

ebon notch
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Would be giga content

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Do it on stream

echo geyser
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i cant even read my own logs

ebon notch
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XDDD

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What's your mythic average rn

echo geyser
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idk but didnt raid in main r un since like 5 weeks?

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only alt raid

ebon notch
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Ooo

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What guild are you in ram

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Lemme peep

echo geyser
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my monk in for main raid

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just do 1-3 bosses alt raid only last 2 weeks we managed to do 6

ebon notch
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My guild doesn't do alt runs

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New guild that is

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They so their 1-2 day clear and that's it

echo geyser
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its not all raiders, theres other guilds alts, friends of friends etc

ebon notch
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Do*

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Wait get me in??

echo geyser
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and some pugs too

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we only have like 1 spot open thats like tank / range dps i think

ebon notch
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I'm getting warrior rank 4 unholy set next week

echo geyser
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most are regulars

ebon notch
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And hopefully some dommies

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Fair

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Need helmet for unholy I cba this system

subtle tundra
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My guild does alt runs and I cba playing alts

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Maybe if they'd let me tank

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But nobody would ever want me as their tank

hollow river
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Do you guys think there will be embers catch up mechanic?

echo geyser
hollow river
echo geyser
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all we can do is prayge

hollow river
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If not I need to start grinding my alt like rn

zinc frost
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Yeah in 9.2 when the set bonuses are disabled unless in sanctum 0Head

echo geyser
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maybe next time i level up guild i wanna go for 2x full clear to deck out 2 chars at once monkascheme

subtle tundra
hollow river
subtle tundra
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2 full clears

hollow river
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No way they just disable them off the rip

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They’d just have to make the next sets more powerful

subtle tundra
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Hopefully way

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Nah

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Just disable and add nothing

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Maybe tier sets but not this crap

hollow river
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Yeah that’s what I mean

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The tier sets would have to trump shard bonuses, this much is obv

zinc frost
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Yeah tier sets without needing to grind shards would be nice

hollow river
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But I highly doubt they just turn off shard bonuses for next raid

full tendon
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No way, really gonna need sets from SOD for next raid?

echo geyser
subtle tundra
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it feels so dumb that i could make a new char, get funneled gear, get 245 ilvl in 2nd week AND STILL DO 2k LESS DPS THAN OTHER PEOPLE

hollow river
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I don’t think you’ll NEED them

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For Normal

full tendon
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That seems extremely stupid

hollow river
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Idk man

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That’s kinda how tiers work isn’t it?

full tendon
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Like stupider than Blizzard normally is

hollow river
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I just don’t see a regression in power happening at the start of a new tier

subtle tundra
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i think theyll just be as they are rn cause ilvl will make new gear better

hollow river
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Would feel so bad

zinc frost
hollow river
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Ye

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But how much ilvl you need to trump the dps of a shard set lmao

subtle tundra
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having to go through a month of doing low dps

full tendon
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Would feel so bad if you needed dom shit for new tier if you don't raid

subtle tundra
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for NO REASON

full tendon
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And decide to raid next tier

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I don't think Blizz is actually that dumb

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At least not without an ember catch-up

subtle tundra
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next tier is still very very far away lmao

full tendon
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How do you attract new players if they have to grind out content seldom being run just to do current content?

hollow river
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Catch up systems

full tendon
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I don't see it, man. That'd be super fucking dumb.

hollow river
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doesn't seem that dumb to me tbh

full tendon
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Imagine having to do CN to do SOD, or to do Uldir to do Nyalotha

hollow river
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You wouldn’t have to do it

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Normal of a new tier is always doable with like -3k the dps of mythic last tier

echo geyser
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maybe we get artifact weaps again in next expansion

hollow river
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Ez

echo geyser
hollow river
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But if you’re gonna jump straight to heroic and mythic when they come out, I can see you needing it. Unless gear effects from Normal trump these sets.

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I’ve heard a lot of people saying for instance that Sylv dagger will probably still be BiS going into next tier

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Kinda like that. It’s not a necessity, but it’s still totally valid.

echo geyser
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mythic one offhand yeah

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gonna be new folly

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except not nearly as powerful kekw

hollow river
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Imagine they make a more powerful effect dagger next tier OMEGAKEKW

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Time to grind all over again bby

echo geyser
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i know some ppl dont even got 1 hc atm

hollow river
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Yeah a ton of ppl

subtle tundra
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got only one, straight from mythic ez

hollow river
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But a lot of them haven’t been grinding 9box every week

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So

zinc frost
echo geyser
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yeah getting the 3x raid choice is the way

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for gearing up

subtle tundra
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tbh im getting close to perfect gear

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which is making me concerned

echo geyser
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monkascheme link

hollow river
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My rng on gear has been fucking toxic

subtle tundra
hollow river
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But I got heroic EoN on AOTC kill

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252 outlaw wep from vault the next week

kind talon
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holy

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🥜

hollow river
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252 dagger from vault the week after

subtle tundra
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4 upgrades left

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i could've actually gotten the sylv chest this week

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but went for the 252 finger from m+

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since they were similar upgrade but one is unobtainable xd

echo geyser
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0.8% for a 259 offhand OMEGAKEKW

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nice spec

subtle tundra
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what

oak sky
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I hope tier sets are good nex tier man

balmy condor
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clear trend

subtle tundra
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outlaw and sub both gain way more from sylv offhand

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dont they?

echo geyser
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about 2x yes

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sub at least

subtle tundra
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fuck those unethical specs

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smh

oak sky
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Next tier sin will be unethical 100%

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Somehow some way

echo geyser
subtle tundra
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obviously

hollow river
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Exsanguinate exsangery

oak sky
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Aoe exsangery

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Then we get tier set

hollow river
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Aoe pls pepehands

subtle tundra
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i still cant believe they gave sub an aoe finisher but assa has to talent into one

oak sky
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That makes bleeds increase our haste instead of just giving energy regen

zinc frost
oak sky
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We're gonna be so unethical

echo geyser
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was sin good in legion or was sub better

balmy condor
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they were both okay

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but generally sin was better

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sub had the funnel strength

oak sky
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And then sub was busted for 1 fight in 1 tier of bfa right

balmy condor
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so think of sub m+ now but more

oak sky
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Then got gutted

balmy condor
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yeh

oak sky
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And now its back

echo geyser
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i member sub in bfa pre shuriken combo nerf

balmy condor
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meanwhile sub in wod

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OMEGALUL

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sub in wod was crazy good

subtle tundra
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yea but assa rn in m+ can do consistant dmg

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compared to poison bomb simulator

oak sky
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I really hope tuning and borrowed power are kind to all 3 specs

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There isnt really a weak dps rn

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Hopefully they can kepe that streak

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Keep

hollow river
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There are a couple specs that are kinda crap in ST

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But overpowered in aoe

subtle tundra
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wow so much shade

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being thrown around

full tendon
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I would gladly accept an AOE nerf for a ST buff as windwalker

echo geyser
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🤔

subtle tundra
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ww and frost you mean?

hollow river
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Aff lock

oak sky
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St buff for ww is called going kyrian

subtle tundra
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yea that too

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fuck warlocks tho

oak sky
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Next patch ww gets decent st

full tendon
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I was kyrian at the beginning of the tier, it's not significant enough to make you not embarrassing

echo geyser
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thing about wl is they have 3 specs

subtle tundra
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even going kyrian on ww doesnt make it decent ST

echo geyser
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so u cant rly change 1 like that

hollow river
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Why not

echo geyser
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chances are if aff is shit st

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one of the other 2 specs does st

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if all do st why even have multiple specs if they dont got a nieche

ebon notch
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what did they nerf for sub in terms of shuriken funnel

hollow river
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Because different play styles

oak sky
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Demo st monkaW

echo geyser
ebon notch
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what was that

echo geyser
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each target by shuriken storm 5% evis dmg capped at 40% i believe

oak sky
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What the fuck

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Lol

balmy condor
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yeh

echo geyser
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feint memory bout that in bfa

bleak sky
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wtf

oak sky
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Why was that in the game

ebon notch
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thats interesting lmao

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imagine kt

bleak sky
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that's dumb af

hollow river
balmy condor
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because sub didn't have an aoe finisher

oak sky
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Oh

echo geyser
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sub did literall 0 aoe

oak sky
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What about in talents?

balmy condor
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so that was the solution

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to aoe

bleak sky
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oh

echo geyser
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and OMEGA ST prio

bleak sky
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so is black powder new?

balmy condor
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no aoe talent either

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black powder got added this expac

bleak sky
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like a shadowlands thing?

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oh

echo geyser
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there was sec tech

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right

oak sky
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Current sub seems ok for tuning/ usability purposes

echo geyser
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in bfa at least

ebon notch
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give us baseline aoe 😡

echo geyser
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idk if it was added in later season or not

full tendon
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#CTbaseline

subtle tundra
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mmmm i went to make my 6 am microwaved instant noodles and now you guys are talking about sub

ebon notch
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whats the emote with the angry doomblade

hollow river
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#CTenergyregen

oak sky
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No

echo geyser
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microwaved instant noodles

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u got those from skip?

hollow river
echo geyser
full tendon
oak sky
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Maybe we get

ebon notch
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o its exsanguinate

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pog

oak sky
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Idk

balmy condor
echo geyser
oak sky
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Ct is a really cool finisher for the spec to have

ebon notch
subtle tundra
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no, i just have to wake up in less than 2 hours for university so im making food

hollow river
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Ew

subtle tundra
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making is a strong word for what im doing

echo geyser
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no sleep special

oak sky
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Dot spec getting aoe dot is cool af

subtle tundra
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feral was cool in bfa

echo geyser
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sin should get something similar to aff lock seed

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that just omega bangs in aoe

oak sky
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My god

hollow river
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Agreed

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A talent for dis

oak sky
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Maybe that as a talent ct baseline

hollow river
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Yes

balmy condor
subtle tundra
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kingsbane that makes all our dots mega dps instead of ct talent

balmy condor
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already designed this like a year ago

hollow river
balmy condor
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hold on

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I am a man with too much time and too many google docs

hollow river
oak sky
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Aoe exsang 🤔

balmy condor
oak sky
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Tbh i think that would be plenty good enougj

hollow river
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Just throw exsang in the trash

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Néw talent

oak sky
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No aoe exsang would make aoe so good

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Sin aoe is already pretty cool but then you add exsang and you have a hectic race to get all your fots back up

ebon notch
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yea true

oak sky
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Dots

ebon notch
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character just turns around and clicks fingers anime style

echo geyser
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AoE exsangery with uncapped CT etc PepeFull

ebon notch
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and then everything bleeds out

echo geyser
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zoldycks

balmy condor
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new poison

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deadly boring

oak sky
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But we could use something interesting for st thougj

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Maybe like a real spec mechanic or something

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Next expac maybe

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Smoge

ebon notch
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pooling is not something to play around as a core spec mechanic lmao

oak sky
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No not like pooling even

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Like we don't have a crazy proc or anything interesting like that

full tendon
oak sky
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Outlaw gets rtb and opportunity

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We get bleeds, more bleeds, and shiv

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Sub gets stealth outside stealth

subtle tundra
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hey i like bleeds

oak sky
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Yeah bleeds are cool

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But something special related to bleeds or something like that would make single target more interesting

hollow river
balmy condor
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thanks

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like I said way too much time

hollow river
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Yeah I don’t even have time to read the whole thing atm as I’m about to pass out

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Maybe tmrw

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I read the main focuses up until the pic of talent rows

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60apm would be sick

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For me last tier, I started playing wow as outlaw

echo geyser
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can we just get 90% base haste corruption again

hollow river
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Coming to sin was actually quite the learning curve for me lol

zinc frost
hollow river
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Yes actually

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Real shit

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👀

oak sky
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I forgot about whispyrs bleed on ambush idea

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I really like that

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Like really like that

ebon notch
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wait that doc has 10 pages

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i thought it was just that opener

echo geyser
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slaughter* sorry

balmy condor
ebon notch
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@balmy condor am i anonymous looking at ur doc

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or am i doxxing myself]

balmy condor
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nah it's all anon

ebon notch
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pog

ebon notch
oak sky
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If were q bleed spec make everything do a dot

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Actually everything

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Autos-poison, mutilate-doomblade dot-rupyure gar ct dot

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Ambush dot

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Then envenom does damage based on how many, but only during shiv

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Lmao

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Me, a crazy idea idiot

full tendon
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P. sure all that would make sin even worse in anything non-ST

balmy condor
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ouch the filter

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:/

kind talon
ebon notch
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what did you say whisp

kind talon
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ur fried agreon

ebon notch
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were you being naughty again

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agroaner off his meds again

kind talon
oak sky
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I know im fried

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Im just saying shit

balmy condor
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hi fried, im washed

oak sky
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Nothing gets done without crazy ideas

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Just saying

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CertainlyT type champ

kind talon
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true

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heres a crazy idea

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uncap BF

balmy condor
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here's a crazier idea

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outlaw bad for one patch

gusty mirage
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it won't ever happen

kind talon
upbeat needle
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no

alpine garden
agile geode
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This Is awesome

arctic hare
normal mist
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I read like 70% of it, and yeah I believe most of them are actually good changes. The fact that most talent rows would have CHOICES amazed me. Instead of the usual "use this one, ignore the other 2".

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Also the poison build OR bleed build, very interesting.

arctic hare
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Yeah

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It’d actually make master poisoner viable

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And useful

ornate dawn
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@balmy condor Im sold

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quaint carbon
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how many shards yall usually using for m+ ?

tropic ocean
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5

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@quaint carbon

ebon notch
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dont wanna miss out on any damage increases

quaint carbon
humble ginkgo
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when should I be using SND in my opener?

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as kyrian nymnK

lavish lichen
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Its the same if I’m not mistaken

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At least that’s how I did it

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Mut SnD Mut Garrote Rupture Vendetta ER Mut Shiv Vanish Env Mut Env

gloomy fern
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@‎shadowblades how much mastery do i need for assassination?

lavish lichen
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All though I’m not sure if its a again to move ER till after MA window, because technically Mut Env Mut is better in Master Assasin window

bleak sky
grim hornet
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wait... am i trolling playing mfd and doing vanish mut env mfd env?

earnest remnant
gloomy fern
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simming aint real

lavish lichen
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Nah

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Thats correct for mfd

bleak sky
lavish lichen
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He is kyr

bleak sky
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so you're correct kurandero

lavish lichen
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If you dont play MFD its a small gain to do what I’m saying

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But it’s different since they are kyrian

grim hornet
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kk

gusty mirage
grim hornet
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i was panicking. Im practicing my sin since ill probably play it on sylvanas and i think that's the only thing i understood xD

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playing venthyr tho

gloomy fern
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@‎oxi#9722 no pings pls

gusty mirage
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Sorry friend SAD

humble ginkgo
lavish lichen
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Lmfaoo I posted it

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That’s the “normal” one but I’m not sure on the other technicality

humble ginkgo
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ohh Mut snd

lavish lichen
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You can prob sim it but I’m not smart enough to

humble ginkgo
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I be Mut gar rupt then mut snd

grim hornet
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mut snd mut so u get 2 muts on MA

humble ginkgo
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and then shiv ven vanish

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okok

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ty

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They said blindside was hrorible

grim hornet
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i love it

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wait

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subterfuge for patchwerk?

hollow river
humble ginkgo
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yea Ik I shoulda done that true

hollow river
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Idk if you’d ER on opener as sin because idk anything about kyrian sin

grim hornet
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skip get away from those angels

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they only want ur money

echo geyser
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@humble ginkgo has decaf corrupted u into playin kyr sin? wowreally

gusty mirage
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BS/DS is the best set up for straight ST

spice spire
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Blindside has been top ST for literally like

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The entire patch

lavish lichen
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Yea the weird part is Subt

gusty mirage
lavish lichen
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But hey

spice spire
lavish lichen
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I was getting MFD PB for dslice the other day

gusty mirage
grim hornet
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i guess for ktz bs+mfd should be a good aproximation, isnt it?

gusty mirage
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Had to be some sort of interaction with the kyrian soulbind making subterfuge sim within margin

hollow river
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Ermm

gusty mirage
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Only thing I can think of

hollow river
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Margin of error dps 👀

lavish lichen
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Kyrian has higher crit maybe?

gusty mirage
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Yea it does

spice spire
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I mean 3 dps ie well within margin

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The fact that it’s even close is still

hollow river
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Still weird tho

lavish lichen
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Yea that’s what we’re saying

humble ginkgo
gloomy fern
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guys have u tried getting 100% crit for mega damage

humble ginkgo
humble ginkgo
gusty mirage
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Well with current gear we’re at 40%+ crit and Kleia gives a bunch of crit iirc

humble ginkgo
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yea

gusty mirage
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So it’d devalue MA enough

humble ginkgo
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I see

echo geyser
gusty mirage
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Where subterfuge being within margin of MA makes sense

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Because nightstalker is kinda meh all around to begin with

humble ginkgo
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Sin is easy to play I fink

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its alright

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sin on the nine is fun af

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ngl

gusty mirage
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It’s def not hard tbh

lavish lichen
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Sin on cleave fights is hella fun

gusty mirage
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Slower pace and if you don’t fuck up hardcore you’ll still perform well

humble ginkgo
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Do you go CT on soulrender?

hollow river
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Min maxing on the eye is fun too

gusty mirage
grim hornet
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if u wanna pad i guess u do

humble ginkgo
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CT feels so bad

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but like

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its range is so much bigger than I thought

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I kept waiting for adds to group

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when I can just press it

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and it will hit like 4

gusty mirage
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It’s range is even bigger when you’re moving

humble ginkgo
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yea

gusty mirage
humble ginkgo
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do I apply CT to the boss on ST?

gusty mirage
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Makes zero sense but whatever I’m not complaining

humble ginkgo
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or doesnt matter

gusty mirage
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Not with dashing

lavish lichen
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Not with dashing

humble ginkgo
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okok

grim hornet
humble ginkgo
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my sin gear is good since high crit but this is horrible

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gusty mirage
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CT on ST was a doom blade thing

humble ginkgo
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just gimmie 259 dag already

gusty mirage
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At least you got a heroic edge pepehands

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10 kills and nothing kms

grim hornet
gusty mirage
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Never

grim hornet
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wasn't it something like "only if out of shiv window"?

gusty mirage
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It’s a loss cause of the dashing interaction with envy on

grim hornet
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im not updated at all fml

gusty mirage
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Envenom**

bleak sky
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we now call envenom envy

grim hornet
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envenom = more poisons = more crit = more frosty

gusty mirage
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If you’re necro and still play doom you’d still CT outside of shiv

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Cuz of the fatty doom dam

grim hornet
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no no im venthyr now

gusty mirage
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Ye then you can drop CT completely in ST

grim hornet
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ok

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im using PB regardless on ktz

spice spire
lusty surge
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How does the frost proc pick it's target? Does it just randomly hit anything you're in combat with?

grim hornet
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like we dont need more aoe, everything dies in 2-3 secs

gusty mirage
spice spire
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It’s targeted iirc

lusty surge
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Hmm

gusty mirage
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But I’ve had it attack things I have targeted

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So idk

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Blizzard and their well explained systems Thinkge

lusty surge
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Yea I had it hit a DR'd orb on nerzhul last week that I swear I only mouseover ruptured

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And I realized I didn't actually know how it worked

gusty mirage
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Yeah I’ve had it do both. And I’ve had it pull stuff in korthia/torghast that I wasn’t even in combat with

lusty surge
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Lol

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Yeah I've seen that too, 40k crit on some mob just minding his own business

spice spire
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I’m gonna say it’s well coded and implemented 🙂

lavish lichen
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Its the last target you crit

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So if your bleeds crits right before into immune orb

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Enjoy

grim hornet
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rly?

lavish lichen
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Yes

grim hornet
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fuck CT on ktz then

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imagine frost set oneshoting one glacial spike before the others so the debuff extends

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ooof

lusty surge
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Lol

lavish lichen
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That’s not gonna happen really

lusty surge
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Does MA buff the crit chance of the proc too?

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Or is it whitelisted

grim hornet
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that's something i was wondering yesterday

humble ginkgo
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also do you really go deeper strat?

lusty surge
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Guess I could just test it on dummies for a bit

gusty mirage
humble ginkgo
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yea

gusty mirage
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Otherwise you run EP/MFD

humble ginkgo
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I am going that build

lusty surge
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Bs/ds is usually only good together for pure patchwerk

grim hornet
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BS + MFD is not a thing?

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even in ktz where u have a ton of resets?

lusty surge
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For a long time I simmed best with Bs/vigor though as night fae

gusty mirage
humble ginkgo
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just so happens

lavish lichen
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He is kyr

humble ginkgo
lavish lichen
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Kyr doesnt play MFD

humble ginkgo
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Why not

lavish lichen
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Bc you dont get the same value out if the CPs

gusty mirage
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Oh true

humble ginkgo
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oh is it bc you want many mfd resets oduring flag

gusty mirage
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That’s a venthyr optimization

lavish lichen
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Its not even resets

humble ginkgo
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I c

gusty mirage
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You’d play EP/Vigor outside of guardian then

lavish lichen
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Legit 1 use inside is big

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If you get reset easy 30 stacks

humble ginkgo
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This fucking group I joined

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has like

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55 rogues

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LOL

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I fucking hate this build btw2

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nvm

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I hate subterfuge

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caught me off guard since I didnt have my stealth barready

lavish lichen
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LMFAOO

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Gotem

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Also idk about subt

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Even if it was a gain I prob wouldn’t play it in ST

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And certainly not if its within margin if error

humble ginkgo
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indeed was margin of error

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didnt notice

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Fucking hate that talent

echo geyser
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Play it on nine PepeFull

humble ginkgo
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My sin sims so fucking low

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unreal

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if it wasnt for my daggers

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and prolly ring

echo geyser
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U just need a mainhand

humble ginkgo
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other than that I have crazy crit

grim hornet
lavish lichen
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Higher than mine but I got shit hear

humble ginkgo
spice spire
echo geyser
lavish lichen
humble ginkgo
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Holding me back

unknown.png
lavish lichen
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Thats cheating slip

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Skip

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Bc pointed courage

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👀

humble ginkgo
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Get good

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Kyrian based covenant

grim hornet
# lavish lichen Sim it 😛

I mean I Can't sim ktz fight. My point is if I dont need ep for AOE cause we have more than enough I can go BS, but Mfd is pretty good in ktz so...

crisp shard
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How to sim with kyrian druid?

wind totem
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Barely in time for p3 sylvanas progression lmao

unknown.png
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Probably not even worth it on sylvanas

kind talon
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It is lol

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Gz

wind totem
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Are you sure? she only gets to 45% so it might not be better than a 252

kind talon
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Sim to make sure

wind totem
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how do you sim sylvanas?

spice spire
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There’s an additional line you can put in

kind talon
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Enemy_death_pct = 45

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👍

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You know what’s really good on sylv tho?

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Zoldyck

normal mist
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My go to choice

kind talon
spice spire
kind talon
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Tiny toxic blade

normal mist
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Not that tiny afterall

viscid spear
raven vapor
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Starting paintsmith tonight, anybody have any rogue POVs/tips

karmic crystal
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Everything you see on the platform wants to kill you

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That includes your team mates

ebon notch
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Don't die

bold jetty
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!consumables

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!oil

prisma monolithBOT
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Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

violet jackal
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Don't die is the pretty big one and follow the strat is the next best advice

soft shale
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you can jump the ball if you jump high eenough

spice spire
strange python
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i only dot them and move away let range do their shit

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also do we play crimson tempest or poison bomb on that fight

violet jackal
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poison bomb

ebon notch
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Just don't hit the balls

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XD

quasi grotto
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Start sylv prog tonight, any little tips and pointers ?

fallen arch
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Don’t die before boss reaches 45%

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Have fun in P1 prayge

wind totem
wary ice
oak sky
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Might be advanced sim

scarlet spade
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If you you dont have frost shards to max rank then doomblade still Bis right?

hollow river
spice spire
scarlet spade
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KK was gonna make a leggo for assa have my obe at 262 but was trying to figure out if I should make something else for assa I only play it for like 2 bosses.

hollow river
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Obe is good

gusty mirage
soft shale
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what do you mean its true?

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how do you think warriors jump it