assassination

[hollow river]

I’m trying to optimize so we consistently push

[kind talon]

bruh thats oz not oxi

[ebon notch]

wait

[kind talon]

yes you are

[ebon notch]

lmao

yeah

[kind talon]

and u just hit filter

[ebon notch]

ill tap out

[kind talon]

insane player

[harsh juniper]

Can I DM someone a log for review. Looking for help with turning the corner.

[kind talon]

sure

can post it here

quake, oxi, whispyr, me

ceverion

all people that u can dm

[oak sky]

[kind talon]

for log review

if u dont want to post it here

[slow marsh]

[ebon notch]

he wants to quit coke not get 90s dude

turning a corner

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

what

[hollow river]

I think it’s time for me to log review prog kills

[arctic walrus]

@ebon notch yes u are

[hollow river]

And possibly top 200 parses

[arctic walrus]

[gusty mirage]

why would I shit on him?

I have no ill feelings toward anyone

I never claimed to be a god tier gamer lol

[slow marsh]

except yourself

[gusty mirage]

my 3 parse as sub on fatescribe kinda proved that

but boss died, so I'm gucci

[hollow river]

I have no fate kill because my internet started fucking up mid raid

[ebon notch]

the filter cucked me

from self-expression

of my low intellect

[ebon notch]

cause its fun

and then they shit on you back

[gusty mirage]

nah I don't shit on peeps

I'm happy for all the gamers out there

and hope you all parse and do well

much love familia

except for @shrewd night

but that's because I like being mean to him

[kind talon]

@gusty mirage sorry

For being a dick

[gusty mirage]

you're good man

no hard feelings

[kind talon]

I promise

I don’t think you’re bad

[shy dust]

@cobalt pelican log sucks

[shrewd night]

I mean, if youre going to be like that, you can just leave the ping out, oxi

[cobalt pelican]

ty you too

[gusty mirage]

why

[arctic walrus]

@shy dust toxic, delete

[alpine nebula]

hey is this a good place to ask for a log review? can anyone take a look at my last guardian fight and tell me what I need to improve to get a higher parse? I have a 75% or so ilvl parse but it should be higher I think - I've got bis trinkets, 252 dagger and rank 5 shard bonus

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dMzaTfRyLYNgV93w#fight=35&type=damage-done&source=11

I think I got bombed 2-3 times and was missing WF, rest should be optimal though

we had a monk and warrior

missing chaos brand also actually 😄

[gusty mirage]

first thing I noticed is that you got wrecked by a parry on your first mutilate which threw off the opener

CP waste is minimal, which is a good thing. Bleed uptimes are fine

you missed 1 use of shiv that you could've fit in if you were hitting it on CD

also I'd recommend switching to agility pots over phantom fire

but otherwise, it looks just fine

[slow marsh]

also dont use vigor anymore

use mfd in place of vigor

[alpine nebula]

thanks for the info

I guess with dashing scoundrel we don't need vigor?

5 CP every 1 min seems underwhelming

yeah it looks like it sims higher

[radiant sorrel]

how you check how many hits you got parried

[oak sky]

mfd is every 30s on sin

[alpine nebula]

in fact deeper stratagem is showing higher than both

[oak sky]

also the reason its good is because you can sync it with flag

[alpine nebula]

🤔

mm, smart

[oak sky]

ep mfd is used when multi target is in a fight, pure st we still play bs/ds

ep mfd is just better than ep vigor it shouldnt sim better than bs/ds

all this is in the pins/faq btw

[versed mica]

Mfd only good with obedience leggo I thought

[slow marsh]

na

[hollow river]

Nope it sims higher with dashing for me

[hollow river]

This should be simmed

[exotic rose]

Hey guys, is it expected for assa Venthyr running Marked for Death to have to pool energy for the first garrote in the opener? I believe we open with Mutilate -> Slice and Dice -> Mutilate -> Garrote -> Flagellation, etc. I often find myself not having enough energy for this first Garrote. Just wondering if you guys experience the same.

[balmy condor]

Yep

You just wait

[ebon notch]

i sometimes use blood elf racial to fill the gap

[exotic rose]

Makes sense. I'm night elf though 😄

[ebon notch]

oof

just sit in stealth till you get energy then 🤷‍♂️

[exotic rose]

And I imagine you guys have simmed opening with Garrote -> Slice and Dice -> Mutilate instead, right?

[ebon notch]

(that was a shadowmeld joke dont do this)

[balmy condor]

Yep

[exotic rose]

Awesome, thank you guys! 🙏🏼

Another question if I may, do we also not pool energy during Flagellation window much like Vendetta and Shiv?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[exotic rose]

Awesome, cheers!

[hollow river]

I do this every pull

Even in sylv where we lust

Almost never used it til now

[ebon notch]

its not super worth with lust tbh

you only really wait half a second for the energy tick

and it becomes super useful when lust drops off to smoothen out the rotation

[hollow river]

yea ik but the small delay on our lust, im still not able to press garrote yet

so may as well press something ya know

[hollow river]

true

i'm gonna try Obe next Tuesday raid

for sylv

i feel like i end up holding CD's because of veil

[hazy beacon]

tfw saw assa rogues with t5 blood set 3 days in a row.
is it a new meta I somehow missed, or just sub doods doing their bloody things in assa spec?

[slow marsh]

No

That's subbers playing sin

[tawdry portal]

anyone take raging battle axe instead of champion brand in some cases?

necro btw if that matters

[ebon notch]

ive only seen people take it when they need like execute damage

apparently its pretty good on bosses

but i mean im running necrotic anyway so

[hollow river]

battle axe and necrotic are from different mini bosses aren't they?

p sure i always take both

[dense hamlet]

axe is from the one with brand

or wat

unless theres double brand

i dont remember the last time ive done m+

but ye u can have both dagger and axe

[oak sky]

theres double brand

bolster brand battle axe

necrotic volcanic brand

[dense hamlet]

makes sense

[exotic rose]

Hey guys, anyone has a Rupture weak aura that dynamically shows the correct pandemic window based on the combo points used? For example, a 4 cp rupture has a 6 seconds pandemic while a 5 cp has a 7.2 seconds window.

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[spice spire]

Both of those do for rupture and garrote

[brave gazelle]

I always run axes as assination and iv seen quite a few high key players take it too, the necro one is super rad for boss damage too

[oak sky]

axe is good but so is brand

you just kinda feel it out i gues

s

[wispy quail]

Playing Necrolord Sin, Zoldyk for M+?

[oak sky]

yup

[wispy quail]

Awesome thx

[exotic rose]

Yeah, I was checking Devlin's WA (https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m) and even though it says "added dynamic pandemic to Rupture" the trigger is rather naive. 8s is even outside the window.

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/p/whispyr

Steal mine it does it per cp

[exotic rose]

I'll check it out, thanks!

[balmy condor]

The custom code is subterfuge/exsang tracking if you want to get rid of that

[exotic rose]

👍

Also, one thing I never fully understood. What matter for the pandemic window is the original rupture's combo point or the second one being reapplied?

[balmy condor]

The cp you have before applying the new one

Pandemic Is based on the duration of the new application

[exotic rose]

I see, so if I'm applying a 4 points (20 seconds) , I want the current rupture to be 6 seconds or less. If I'm applying a 5 points, then a 7.2 seconds or less, correct?

[balmy condor]

Yuppers

Always 30% of the new one

[exotic rose]

🙏🏼

[balmy condor]

10 seconds would be 3 or less
11 seconds would be 3.3 or less

So on and so forth

[exotic rose]

your WA pack is quite neat

thanks!

[balmy condor]

Thanks

Took me a while

[exotic rose]

Should add to !wa

[balmy condor]

Yeh maybe

I should update it more tbh

[kind talon]

i got the jay pee cee sim

blindside mfd

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/875956318232530976.gif?size=44

[dense hamlet]

that gif is fire

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/875956318232530976.gif?size=44

[slow marsh]

cringe

[balmy condor]

All our talents are so balanced

If everything adds 0.5%, and one of them add 0.7%

Super easy

[violet jackal]

what's up with your trinkets? I expected better

[plain onyx]

guys, is there a big dps difference between using Sharpening Stones & Shadowcore Oil ?

[soft shale]

not really

[kind talon]

?

[violet jackal]

just messing with you about neither trinket being 252

[plain onyx]

I can use any in both raids and m+ ?

[kind talon]

atleast i have 259 ring and chest\

why dont u talk shit about the 235 legggo man

lolw

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[plain onyx]

thanks ❤️

[slow marsh]

I cri

[balmy condor]

Maybe stop?

[slow marsh]

Maybe you stop

[inland heath]

For low keys ( 15s-18) its better Zoldyck or Scoudrel?

[balmy condor]

Always zoldyck

[inland heath]

even on like a 15 were adds die very fast ? 😮 tyvm anyway

[balmy condor]

Yes

Even then

[quaint carbon]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[undone eagle]

Hi, regarding sentinel mobs in sylvannas mythic, do i rupture + garrote or do i just FoK ?

(im also necro , if i should sbs them only? to get fast dots on sylvannas?)

[lean coral]

Idk about your guild but in mine those things insta die

I can usually only get a couple foks off before they're dead

[undone eagle]

ah about cleaving them down is no problem for my guild, is just if i should do it for energy regen?

[lean coral]

I usually only hit the last set of em before we go into p2

[undone eagle]

maybe worth some seconds

[lean coral]

If they're near the boss go for it

[undone eagle]

i only garrote + rupture 1 mob then ?

[lean coral]

Don't think I'd bother with the bleed personally

[undone eagle]

sbs the other remain

[lean coral]

Again this kinda depends on how fast they die for you

For me we have 3 boomies so

[soft shale]

if you play marileth its worth to get more time on kevin

if you are heirmir just garrote one or 2 if you can while hitting sylv

[ebon notch]

fok rupture

if envenom buff is up then envenom takes prio

just keep doing that over and over again

use mfd to help you

i end up being like 3rd top damage or smth

i pre swap on them anyway

because im waiting for my 2nd vendetta to come back up

[undone eagle]

how many do i rupture ? when it comes like 10 mobs, is 2 fine? and also what u mean with mfd?

and i just throw some SBS? since im necro

[ebon notch]

yeah sbs as many as you can

as it will reset

theres no set amount of ruptures, just do what you can

[undone eagle]

aight my sight will look like this: ill just sbs and rupture with these dots meanwhile i spam fok and envenom sylv

inst that big deal anyways i think

thnx

[ebon notch]

nono dont funnel onto sylv

go to the adds

and hit them

then come back to sylv when vendetta comes off cd

[undone eagle]

Alright mate

[gloomy violet]

why is it not worth spamming ct ? for aoe pulls ? like 6-8 + adds

or i just envenom / rupture

[lavish lichen]

Its used for the dot damage not initial damage

[gloomy violet]

is it not worth spamming if more than 5 target ?

[soft shale]

nope

get ruptures/garrotes keep envenom for snd

[gloomy violet]

alright thanks ,

what anima power do i want to get for m+ ?

2 of the stats one of 1 stats 1 dagger of necrotic wounding

and does mastry for assassin rogue increase necrotic wounding damage ?

[fallen arch]

1x stats/axe, 1x necrotic dagger

And no on the last question

[gloomy violet]

thanks so much

[ebon notch]

i always go necrotic wounding and champions brand

[limber lion]

I always went Necrotic Wounding as well

but changed the second one depending on the dungeon

Bolstering is pretty nuts during explosive/spiteful weeks and on some dungs by default, like Plaguefall

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[limber lion]

sick

[winter vapor]

you made the big leagues Ceve

[ebon notch]

Bruh never thought about bolstering on explosives

Probably cause I just went afk on that week

[lavish lichen]

Yea bolstering is nuts

Cancel aura macro is good too (more so for spiteful)

Bc it doesnt refresh it just adds stacks

So you csncel before all spitefuls die and go into next pull with full duration buff

[ebon notch]

Big brain

[light surge]

do you ct during vendetta?

single target

[ebon notch]

if ur running dashing its not worth it

[light surge]

ty

[slim pebble]

Has anyone here soloed a plaguefall m0 for the mount?

[brave gazelle]

Yeah, I'd recommend doing it as sub, the only hard part is the second to last boss tbf

[wild lion]

!deathly

[vestal wren]

it only works on #subtlety, the command is limited to the sub channel

[violet jackal]

what was your item level when you did it?

[quaint carbon]

do we build with FoK or just kinda funnel with muts on Soulrender during addphase?

[brave gazelle]

230 my dude, its rough as a rouge though, if you have something like a pally alt it'll be a million times easier

[violet jackal]

I'm 248 I recon it be pretty easy now

[brave gazelle]

yeah you'll probably be able to smash it no problem mate

[fallen arch]

I tried it recentley, it was rough

But totally doable

U don’t have to go m0 btw, it gives u credit on heroic too

[plain onyx]

If i want to sim for M+ ? Dungeon slice or hectic add cleave ?

[lavish lichen]

Dslice

[balmy condor]

Dslice

[lavish lichen]

You owe me a 🥤

[balmy condor]

Hac isn’t really useful ever

[violet jackal]

Kel thuzad and soulrender would be considered hectic add cleave correct?

[lavish lichen]

No

HAC is 40% uptime on the 5 add spawns

Maybe close enough for outside for KT

With new strat where you just blast

[balmy condor]

HAC is like phase 1 sire if the adds spawned more frequently

[lavish lichen]

Well hac is 5t spawn

[vestal wren]

HecticAddCleave:
5 adds every 33 secs that last for 22 secs, first one at 22 sec in the fight
raid_events+=/adds,count=5,first=22,cooldown=33,duration=22,last=337
25 yard movement every 33 secs first one 22 sec in the fight
raid_events+=/movement,distance=25,first=22,cooldown=33,last=337
8 yard movement every 18 secs first one is at sec 13
raid_events+=/movement,players_only=1,distance=8,first=13,cooldown=18

in short:
5 adds very frequent and some movement events

[lavish lichen]

How does movement work for melee?

[balmy condor]

movement in sims stops all casts

[lavish lichen]

Ok cool

[balmy condor]

I've simmed HAC like

maybe 10 times in my life

and all of them were to test a time to die condition that was an optimization for dslice

[thick jungle]

Wasn't HAC added because of beastlord Darmac or however his name is spelled

[balmy condor]

kind of, but it's based on horridon from ToT

[slow marsh]

Guys should I level a ranged class or another rogue for next tier

I leave it up to the council of the superior spec

[oak sky]

Another melee

[subtle tundra]

if it were me i'd go with a range to learn range

but if you've already played range at a high level, you do you

[slow marsh]

I have a DH meh geared and a dk fresh 60 so I think I'm covering all bases for melee. Rogue will likely still be better than those two next tier anyways. Only reason I could foresee playing something else would be due to a hard melee punish. I've never really messed with range but I don't want to handicap myself by going he boomie route

[subtle tundra]

nobody said to go boomy

boomy is dogpoop

i'd say mage/warlock

[slow marsh]

Boomie is the go-to ranged reroll is why

[subtle tundra]

higher chance to have a spec you enjoy playing

how so?

[slow marsh]

It's only like three buttons and you do big dam

It's just a super easy concept with the builder spender and how it works

[subtle tundra]

its actually pretty hard

to get the venthyr burst right

[oak sky]

If you go ranged just pick the one you like for sure

[slow marsh]

I mean yeah it'll play van theater sure cuz of the movement involved and stuff

Or rather punishment for moving

I was kind of thinking ele sham

[subtle tundra]

i've heard that ele is really fun to learn to minmax in raid

and the difference between a mediocre and a really good one is big

and then you go play m+ and its 3 button spec

[oak sky]

If i was gonna play ranged its probably spriest

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt

[oak sky]

But go for your preference iceblades

[subtle tundra]

its a 1 dps spec class that bring nothing valuable

just ST

[oak sky]

And?

I enjoy it more than other ranged

[subtle tundra]

yea, cause you know already how it plays

he doesnt

he doesnt know what he'd like

[oak sky]

I'm not telling him to go shadow priest, I'm mostly just trying to tell him different people like different things

[subtle tundra]

and im say why I wouldnt

[oak sky]

If you go a class you enjoy even if its tuned bad you still have fun, and you can come back to it when its strong again

I dont think its ever a bad choice to play any spec, no matter what it is as long as you think its fun

Unless you literally want the op reroll for the tier

[subtle tundra]

he already is playing the op reroll for the tier

[oak sky]

Didnt realize he played boomie or arms

Mb

We're getting way off topic though we better stop

[subtle tundra]

rogue is like the best it has ever been

[violet jackal]

He should go enhancement to help his rogue brethren

[slow marsh]

We already have two enhancements shaman right now lol

I guess I have a hunter and a sham both mid 50s so I can just wait and see what 9.2 has in store then choose

[limber lion]

Rogue OTP is always happy

[slow marsh]

It does make it hard though that rogue is so good

Yeah

[limber lion]

We tend to have one good spec most of the time

If you're a sub otp, it might suck

But we're Rogue OTP's here

[slow marsh]

In all reality I'll stay rogue but I want to have a ranged option in the back pocket just in case and also I'm getting bored so I need a reason to play

[slow marsh]

Yessir multi spec gamers

Let's see those outlaw parses

[oak sky]

Cev is a runescape otp tbh

[limber lion]

True

I've quit WoW, but can't ditch my rh homies

[slow marsh]

Gets into method

Quits

[oak sky]

Ur done permanently or for now or what?

[limber lion]

Yeh, don't have time due to irl :(

[limber lion]

I've only done one HC as Outlaw

:(

[slow marsh]

[limber lion]

not even 100 average :(

[subtle tundra]

i should bust out that outlaw actually cause i have insane gear for it

just no high ilvl mainhand

[limber lion]

Yeah Outlaw is unironically very fun

The current Outlaw

[slow marsh]

Yep

[limber lion]

Wasn't a big fan of RTB rerolling

But this shit + CTO is pretty gucci

[slow marsh]

Except for when you roll back to back grand melees and/or buried treasure

[subtle tundra]

but you should still get some cto buffs to make it slightly more bearable

[slow marsh]

Yeah true

I'm actually really happy with my outlaw game considering I just learned it out of boredom

Ignore my guardian, it was a shit show xD

[subtle tundra]

i just hate outlaw since ST and AOE are more or less the same

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

It was a 93

[sly monolith]

do u pref assa or sub in m+?

[full tendon]

Who are you asking?

[hollow river]

i think im gonna run outlaw and pug heroic

see what i get

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/u72nFx4.png

RANK 1 ASSA BABY

(for healing)

[hollow river]

read the fine print

[balmy condor]

Bet

[ebon notch]

what you mean bet

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

are you flaming me

[balmy condor]

Nah I’m saying I haven’t cleared heroic yet this week

[ebon notch]

you gonna beat me?

[kind talon]

damn ur susge is moving his eyes

crazy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/854116039733280769.gif?size=96

[balmy condor]

I see some optimizations to be had

[ebon notch]

S P I C Y

also i wasnt actually trying

i rarely ever use crimson vial

[balmy condor]

yeh I'll try later

I got a group for guardian

aight

lets try this

bro I got inted

what the fuck

no one stacked

[echo geyser]

are u going for healing logs

[slow marsh]

Get rekt

[echo geyser]

make sure u equip frost set + blood healing shard

[balmy condor]

int

actual int

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

going frost set purely incorrect

[echo geyser]

blood heals more?

[balmy condor]

blood heals 100 less but you get both frost gems

[echo geyser]

mmm i see

[balmy condor]

-100 from set

[echo geyser]

gonna be fat then

[balmy condor]

+700 from frost shards

[slow marsh]

Well frost is absorb and blood is actual healing though right

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter for logs

[echo geyser]

think they both count

towards healing

[slow marsh]

Ik for logs

[balmy condor]

that's all we care about tho

[lavish lichen]

Well you just go both?

[echo geyser]

trying to beat @ebon notch logs

[lavish lichen]

And drop damage shards

[echo geyser]

for healing

[lavish lichen]

Blood set frost healing shards

[echo geyser]

can u equip another armor type to get 2x sets?

[slow marsh]

Would there not be a time where frost absorb would go out more often vs healing if people are already topped

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

no

cause that would mean

everyone would have 2 sets

[echo geyser]

[slow marsh]

That was tested early

With cloth wrist

[balmy condor]

but like who cares

[slow marsh]

Nobody

[lavish lichen]

Nah you cant anymore

[echo geyser]

u would lose 5% mainstat if it worked r ight

armor bonus or w/e

[lavish lichen]

Yea

But you also lose 1 damage shard

[echo geyser]

frost + blood set would be omege healing

[lavish lichen]

Since you only have 6 slots

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

I got the strats don't worry boys

guide writer has the strats

[lavish lichen]

It wouldve been giga for shamans and holy paladins

[echo geyser]

did u buy all the leech BoEs?

[lavish lichen]

Since they can equip 2 sets + damage shards

[balmy condor]

3k hps believers right here

[balmy condor]

god no I'm not spending gold for this nonsense

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

bruh

[slow marsh]

Cringe

Whisp getting shown up by 79 avg parser

Payback for inting that one rogue on Terra

[balmy condor]

true

I got work in 25 minutes can we just pump this boss

fk

[balmy condor]

yo this gotta be fake btw

well probably not

but like

top guardian healing on heroic atm is 3044

[ebon notch]

historical rank 1

[balmy condor]

fucking 2884 seventh place lookin ass

[ebon notch]

current rank 7

LMAOO

show urs

right now

no funny business

[balmy condor]

YO WAIT TILL I KILL THIS

[ebon notch]

SHOW

RIGHT NOW

PRE KILL

[balmy condor]

I DONT HAVE A KILL SORRY

NEVER DONE BOSS FIRST TIME ROGUE

[ebon notch]

YOU HAVE CLEARED HEROIC

SHOW RIGHT NOW

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

I don't have warrior buff in this group they're holding me back from ascension

[gusty mirage]

I ate too many hichews. Someone send help.

[alpine latch]

No such thing as too many

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/aiVhYPN.png

@balmy condor mmmm

sus

6356 lookin ass

[balmy condor]

I'm such a sussy baka gomenasorry

[slow marsh]

🚒 🧑‍🚒 🧯

[violet jackal]

I live in the sanctum, molded by it, birth by it, and even raised by it

[balmy condor]

@ebon notch

I had to verbally remind myself to press vial on cd

can be better though

[ebon notch]

bind it

to smth

[balmy condor]

yeh

[ebon notch]

idk what tho

[balmy condor]

just bind to mut or something

[ebon notch]

that wouldnt fuck your rotation

cause of the gcd

[balmy condor]

oh

right

[ebon notch]

to get good you gotta practice

[balmy condor]

idk just get bigger weakaura

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/5rkZ96F.png

heres mine

[ebon notch]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

@echo geyser buy me leech gear

[ebon notch]

thats a fuckload of healing

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

healing pot on cd

wtf

[balmy condor]

frost rank 5 in a couple weeks

need leech gear

we go again

[echo geyser]

vial on cd

[echo geyser]

ok

[sonic schooner]

miny minu

30 kills on heroic bosses

[hollow river]

pugs be skipping fate so i can't get my parse up

[ebon notch]

wait rly

lmao

[hollow river]

yes lol

my only blue left :l

[ebon notch]

you havent found a single pug that does fate?

[hollow river]

no i just did a full clear and they skipped it lol

just didn't know that was a thing at all

[tawdry portal]

so if I apply rupture and garotte before vendetta, do they get a 30% boost or do I need to apply them after I use vendetta?

[ebon notch]

It's dynamic so they will get a bump in damage

[tawdry portal]

good to know, thanks

[bleak sun]

on the road for 1st io sin rogue on my serv

[opaque tree]

Hi all, just wanted some help. I have the Dashing Leggo at max, and I have the doomblade Lego at max. I only have around 30% Crit, It's still telling me that Unholy Dom gems are better than Frost. My unholy gems are all 5/5 upgrade. Only 1 Frost gem is 5/5 the other two are both 4/5.

Do I just need more crit for it to pull ahead in the sims? Curious what some players crit are at that have been running frost dom gems.

thank you!

[amber fossil]

I am kinda in the same boat. I believe 35% crit is the threshold

[hollow river]

no thresholds

just get more crit and keep simming

[hollow river]

the set bonus is based on your lowest level on the set, so you frost set is only rank 4 until u have all rank 5

[opaque tree]

here is my sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ogSA5n8VeegxpELVXfjwZc

Oh, okay, I didn't know that about the set bonus, good to know

[hollow river]

ye

you can sim it as rank 5

if u want to

[opaque tree]

Yeah I have tried simming just all crit items, even the heroic Syl Crit ring, but still can't get Frost to sim higher

I did sim as rank 5

[hollow river]

just click the 3 portentious frost

oh

[opaque tree]

lol, in that sim I posted, all gems @ rank 5

[hollow river]

kk

[opaque tree]

Yeah it's kind of frustrating, Maybe I just need more crit gear

like heroic Syl Chest, and Heroic KT legs and Shoulders

bleh

[hollow river]

yeah u need more crit for sure

[opaque tree]

Well, thank you guys, guess I'll stick to Unholy

[hollow river]

i have crit on almost every item

40-50% total

[opaque tree]

dang, that's poppin

yeah I see rogues with Winds of Winter being like their #1 or #2 damage on bosses, it's crazy

[hollow river]

yep

[opaque tree]

can FoK proc Winds of Winter?

or just your current target?

[oak sky]

any crits can charge it up, but it hits whatever the last target you crit was

you cant really play around it well since bleeds and poisons can crit

[slow marsh]

I'm trolling so hard

last night was playing sin for painsmith prog with sub conduits

[soft shale]

i have seen more than one cto on assa too dont worry

[amber fossil]

if you have the choice to hit the third env with shiv active or refresh rupture, should you env and let rupdrop off for a few secs?

[soft shale]

rupture has a hella time for pandemic no reason to not have it refreshed before shiv

[amber fossil]

hmm, in my rotation the choice comes up often

I try to make sure all bleeds are refreshed before shiv, but I was also told to shiv on cooldown

[oak sky]

shiv on cd is more important

[amber fossil]

even if that means bleeds fall off?

[oak sky]

no like you would just refresh during shiv

[amber fossil]

right, but then you dont get the third env

[oak sky]

yeah thats fine

it doesnt matter that much

[amber fossil]

oh ok, the third env seems to push me higher on the meter

[oak sky]

you both want to shiv on cd but also never let bleeds drop

[amber fossil]

lol right on, I get it that's optimum, but sometimes there is a choice to be made

thx for the input

[kind talon]

dont let bleeds fall off!

[amber fossil]

so pooling shiv until bleeds are refreshed is the best scenerio?

[gusty mirage]

refreshing early > holding shiv

[kind talon]

Don’t hold shiv

[exotic rose]

So do you guys refresh before pandemic just so you don't have to refresh it during shiv?

[oak sky]

no

[exotic rose]

Cool, so basically it doesn't matter how many envenoms you got in the window as long as you have bleeds being refreshed during pandemic and shiv is being pressed on cd, right?

[oak sky]

exactly

[balmy condor]

Yo shit damn that’s fucking wild

Who knew

[soft shale]

im a bit of a reader myself

[amber fossil]

I did read that Whispyr

I just look at the meters and saw soemthing diff when I shoot for the third env

[balmy condor]

[amber fossil]

sry

[balmy condor]

If you look at a meter

When you hit an envenom

[oak sky]

i dunno man, i think the sim robot that does whats in the faqs probably knows better

[balmy condor]

The number will go up

If you look at the meter, and hit a rupture, which is a dot

The meter won’t go up as much

That does not mean you don’t hit a rupture

Slice and dice just add attack speed

Not even energy

Like the rupture

Yuck

Bad

[halcyon zealot]

[balmy condor]

Except it’s the best single ability you could ever cast

[oak sky]

1k+ dps gain finisher

[balmy condor]

It’s like 1700

But yeah

[oak sky]

sorry i couldnt remember the number from when you simmed it

[balmy condor]

Shits insane

Slice and dice a legendary

[oak sky]

better than ours

slice and dice an arcane legendary

[arctic walrus]

anyone need a log review

[oak sky]

maybe a boomie legendary

[kind talon]

Ye

I need one

[arctic walrus]

okay cool good for u

[kind talon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1Rfcr92myvwWXBDp#fight=11&type=damage-done&source=156

What happened here

[oak sky]

make winds crit more

gg

[kind talon]

Thanks

:D

[subtle tundra]

yikes 38.5% crit winds

i've 0% 🙂

[kind talon]

U like the death before lust?

[cobalt pelican]

looks like you made the mistake of trying to play a real spec, please stay in the ball pit with the other outlaw players

[oak sky]

its an outlaw log

[cobalt pelican]

didn't click

[soft shale]

this may help your troubles https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/896566881304068116/unknown.png

just change sinister to mut

and get 90% crit

[kind talon]

assa is way too hard for me i could not even begin to attempt to play this daunting spec with high actions per minute sir

[cobalt pelican]

true

[soft shale]

maybe you will enjoy blindside deeper

for more apm goodness

[halcyon zealot]

but then u have to delay the garrote in ur opener and that feels so bad so those talents must suck

[kind talon]

that is extremley daunting

[kind talon]

?

[halcyon zealot]

sarcasm..

[kind talon]

u never need to delay garret if u only play vigr

just play bigor

[oak sky]

garret garret garret

[kind talon]

delaying garret is like

1700 dps

: )

[strange python]

who is garret?

and why are you trying to delay him 🤨

[soft shale]

garret bale

[slow marsh]

this guy that does 4975 bleed damage over 18 seconds

[strange python]

garret wants to go fast and ur trying to slow him down @kind talon

that is not nice or cool

please think again

[kind talon]

?

[strange python]

you delay garret

[drowsy parcel]

garret one, garret two, garret three

[oak sky]

garret four, rupture, vendetta exsanguinate

[soft shale]

credit to dadsen

[kind talon]

yes man

vanish reapply garrets

[hallow sage]

you gonna fok fok

[full tendon]

fok the pain away

[hollow river]

Fecking 40k dud it’s fecking ova dud

[humble ginkgo]

FOK FOK rupture

fucking 40k dude

its fucking over dude

[oak sky]

if only we could all be muscle brah

[soft shale]

fined

[kind talon]

then youre gonna wanna ct - crimson tempest

[spice spire]

[kind talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/718970432484540558.png?size=96

[plain onyx]

I don't play other specs other than assa, I went for Obedience for M+ and Dashing for Raids. Am I on the right path here ? 🥺

[spice spire]

looks good for the most part - dashing is generally best with frost set. you'd also run mfd and at a fairly highish ilvl.

and if you have daggers, sometimes obedience sims better

but in general, yes right path!

[slow marsh]

Pull count 212 and this is our best https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jTkfN8AmabpX92tq#fight=8&type=damage-done

Idk what else to do. I updated FFXIV up again after raid

[drifting cloud]

it do be like that

[fathom flax]

For next patch is there going to be any / much point chopping changing between covenants? In a sort of boss by boss battle in SoD

The 2 big cock blocks being painsmith and sylv both favour venthyr so I can’t see myself swapping off

[oak sky]

theres a chance we might go necro on some fights but its not looking like anything else will change as far as I know

[fathom flax]

M I N T

[lavish lichen]

Its rather annoying right now to change covs

[balmy condor]

You’d go venth for the annoying single target stuff

[lavish lichen]

So i’d doubt your RL will let you change every fight

[balmy condor]

And you’d go necro for the cleave shit to pad

[lavish lichen]

You have to go to orbios and then go to the forge of bonds to activate

[balmy condor]

I mean

Just run it necro one week

And venth the next

Probably easiest

[fathom flax]

Oui chef

Also starting sylvanas prog this week, any tips?

[oak sky]

you learn a lot from your own pulls tbh

[balmy condor]

Twiddle your thumbs and pump boss while your ranged cries about chains

[fathom flax]

I’m on board with both of these ideas

[balmy condor]

I found twiddling clockwise to be easier than counterclockwise

But obviously adjust for your strats

[oak sky]

yeah the twiddling direction is very situational

important decision making

[fathom flax]

I’m thinking I’ll be able to use my Xbox controller to optimise twiddling

[oak sky]

it depends on a lot of things

the day of the week

[fathom flax]

And provide an alternative direction if needed

[oak sky]

the star position

even the size of your monitor

[fathom flax]

Which part of Myanus is in Gatorade helps with twiddle

[oak sky]

actually true

[balmy condor]

[fathom flax]

Christmas came early tbh

Can’t wait for WoW to still look shit 🙂

[oak sky]

laptop gaming

[fathom flax]

If NW doesn’t fry my gfx card I’ll be okay

[oak sky]

i miss my monitor

[balmy condor]

Aight calm down fuu

[oak sky]

i'm a student

🙂

[balmy condor]

….aight calm down fuu

[fathom flax]

School of envenom

[oak sky]

i still rinse on the meters no kizzy

[balmy condor]

No what

[oak sky]

no 🧢

[fathom flax]

I upgraded guilds and went from blue / purple logs to all purple/orange

[balmy condor]

Fucking zoomers

[fathom flax]

Looking forward to the next upgrade, might get a pink

[balmy condor]

I just got used to cap

You can’t do this to me

My brain is too slow

[fathom flax]

R u OKAY

[drifting cloud]

whispyr are you gonna play assa on sylvn

[balmy condor]

Reading off topic feels like @kind talon hitting me in fluent Japanese

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

Math apa

Wtf

[oak sky]

lmao arent you like in your early 20s

[balmy condor]

Mayhaps

[oak sky]

youre a zoomer too

[balmy condor]

Yes and I feel like I’m 70

I’m fucking 22 and I literally feel so old talking to half this server

[oak sky]

i'm 3 years younger than you

let that sink in

[drifting cloud]

when I was your age agreon we were playing tbc

[balmy condor]

The only thing I sink into is depression thanks

[oak sky]

whispyr

we were in high school at the same time

[balmy condor]

Stop

No more

[oak sky]

we're in the same age group

[balmy condor]

Get your kizzy and your glizzy and your woahs and nae nae’s away from me

[oak sky]

tbc is that some kind of hieroglyphic scripture

[fathom flax]

Why did I think opening that was a good idea

[drifting cloud]

sorry it was wrath math is hard

[oak sky]

lmao

you know

[hallow sage]

r/2meirl4meirl

[oak sky]

all that time ago

i had heard of wow

but i was in elementary school

[fathom flax]

I was 16 when tbc came out

[drifting cloud]

barely in elementaly school

[fathom flax]

Traded VCE for sun well

[hallow sage]

i was 13 when vanilla launched

[oak sky]

i remember this one kid from back then used to play wow

[arctic walrus]

Sink into my loving arms instead darling

[oak sky]

i played shadowlands with him for a few weeks but then he didnt feel like playing anymore

[drifting cloud]

it wasnt that bad for me until 3years ago, I played in a boomer guild

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

now half the guild is like 10 years younger

[arctic walrus]

Hunter disc is just ahead of the emote game

[oak sky]

peepoDali

wow

that's actually inspired

what a fucking name dude

[hollow river]

but i have to hit chains too so IM CRYING

[oak sky]

i only hit 2nd chains normally

[balmy condor]

They just biologically evolved from superior amoeba causing them to have a structure not related to us

[oak sky]

the first and 3rd dont feel important enough

[hollow river]

our fire mage has been running ST build

so we're deciding whether he goes for chain dmg to keep rogues on boss

[balmy condor]

We have 2 Boomy ramps and a wild spirits on each and they’re not dying

[hollow river]

i lose so much dps in uptime running to fking chains

[oak sky]

it comes with time whispyr

[balmy condor]

Yeah I know

[oak sky]

our damage sucked for a while too

[drifting cloud]

[oak sky]

we have no boomy

[arctic walrus]

In essence, metaphorically if we compare ourselves to machines, you could say, that they’re built different

[balmy condor]

But they want me to hit chains

And I’m like

[hollow river]

we have no venth boomies

[balmy condor]

Nah

Ranged needs to get their shit together

Call me when you’re ready

[hollow river]

we have 1 hunter and a nf boomie

[oak sky]

the 2nd set is pretty important imo since its during veil

[hollow river]

and 2 warrs

[drifting cloud]

well 1st set you shouldnt have to, but the others overlap with veil anyways

[arctic walrus]

Call me by your name and I’ll call you by mine

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[drifting cloud]

so not like youre running to the boss

[arctic walrus]

[drifting cloud]

might aswell do insane 20k dmg on them

[balmy condor]

Large nas z?

The wrapper?

[hollow river]

20k

[arctic walrus]

Jack off harlow?

[balmy condor]

Yeah of course

But like

First chain

With 2 boomy ramps

And 2 spirits?

[arctic walrus]

Enough chit chat

[balmy condor]

Me no help

Fight your own battles

[hollow river]

thats too much

they should be dying

our warrs and dk's blow them to pieces

hunter too

but bad WA assignments=fucked pull

[balmy condor]

I ain’t pressed

It was first 10 minutes

[drifting cloud]

famous last words

do you have any raids left this week?

[balmy condor]

Nah

2 day gang

[kind talon]

im 22 next month no kizzy on a glizzy

[ancient peak]

i turn 28 in 5 days feelsbad

[kind talon]

do u have to be assa lootspec

to get wps from tarragrue?

[drifting cloud]

nah

[kind talon]

guess im unlucky

my shits still 239

[balmy condor]

Just loot it

[kind talon]

ok

[balmy condor]

It’s easier than a sylv dagger

Kill boss, loot, ez

[kind talon]

fuck

i didnt think about it that way

bruh

my poison katar is 252 but my wps isnt

[dawn kelp]

Guys I need to get good at assa

[thick sail]

So I've gotten so much high level haste gear from the vault, I had to swap from Sub to Assassination. I only really do mythic+. Subterfuge, I understand, is the best talent on that row (for M+). Is there any haste tipping point at which it's worth using Master Assassin instead? I tried openers where I'd just FOK (with the FOK Conduit) with MA up, 5 CP Rupture something, FOK, 5 CP Rupture another target, and then Garrote, but I'm pretty sure it was worse DPS-wise than starting off by Garroting 3 targets

[hallow sage]

subterfuge is too strong to pass up in m+

empowered garrotes truck, and you get an insane amount of them

[balmy condor]

MA is usable in m+

But it’s uh

Not great

[hallow sage]

technically anything is usable in m+ up to a certain point

if we're talking 15s, you could probably play entirely off meta garbage

[balmy condor]

Yeh but I mean the damage is comparable

The only reason subterfuge good is the iron wire

And the cleave

[thick sail]

16 is the highest I've done so yeah basically 15s

My Weakaura tells me when to refresh my Garrote when it's in that window, what's it called, ah, pandemic

But

I hear people talking about empowered Garrotes

Am I supposed to keep refreshing the Subterfuge Garrote, OR am I supposed to not overwrite it until it's just about to fall off

I assume the latter

[balmy condor]

You let empowered stuff fall off

So like nightstalker CT/rup/garrote

Subterfuge garrotes

Exsang’d dots

[thick sail]

What's CT, Crimson Tempest?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[thick sail]

So in other words, you had 5 CP, vanished, then used CT

Or opened with CT from stealth with CP from a previous pack

[balmy condor]

If you use nightstalker yeh

[thick sail]

I've never tried NS with Assa since it seemed to have the least synergy with the spec.

MA gives crit which gives CP from Seal Fate which helps the spec uniquely.

Subterfuge gives empowered Garrote x 3 which gives energy Regen which uniquely helps the spec.

Nightstalker just gives damage on one ability which isn't very exciting, and moving faster in stealth in M+ seems pretty useless

[balmy condor]

Nightstalker CT hits pretty hard

[thick sail]

Maybe I'll try it, because I do use CT

[balmy condor]

It’s not better

And you have to play MA

The legendary

[thick sail]

And I actually came here hoping someone would say MA is viable because while I know Subterfuge is good, it's just so profoundly boring

Ah crap

I'm using Obedience

[balmy condor]

Well that makes ma the talent better

[thick sail]

I only have 262 Obedience and 235 Dashing

I have craptons of Ash and Cinders though

[balmy condor]

Obedience is fine

You can try ma

Probably good for 15’s

[thick sail]

Is Dashing pretty useless in M+?

[balmy condor]

Yup

[thick sail]

😔

You think I should make MA and try NS? Or is there some other legendary I should get first?

[balmy condor]

Nah MA NS isnt better either

It’s just some alternate thing for fun

Might want to consider zoldyck

If you go necro or something in 9.1.5

[thick sail]

That's a good idea

[umbral summit]

I've been playing Blood Shard Sub for a while but I had enough currency to upgrade my Frost to R4, so I thought I'd try Assa for fun. I have 44% crit and 20% haste which seemed good, but Winds of Winter is doing complete baby damage compared to other Rogue parses I check. is T5 frost shards and Dashing Scoundrel enough to take Winds from my 5th highest source of dmg to #1?

[upbeat needle]

Are you venthyr ?

[umbral summit]

Yeah

[upbeat needle]

Most fights in the raid outside of like Guardian and maybe Remnant winds won't be your top damage. Mine is usually Envenom/Melee

T5 would definitely help you with that

[umbral summit]

This was my Remnant breakdown:

[upbeat needle]

M or Heroic ?

[umbral summit]

Just HC for testing, I had a really high uptime

[limber lion]

There's a chance it proc'd on the balls

Which results in 0 winds damage

[upbeat needle]

^

Was gonna say

[limber lion]

Look at the events in the log

[upbeat needle]

mighta proc'd on balls and you got fucked

[limber lion]

To see the damage procs

[upbeat needle]

this mine on a recent heroic Remnant. 3:46 kill time

On Heroic it's prob not even worth to rupture or garrote balls because they die in like .5 seconds so you can just hard tunnel boss tbh

[limber lion]

Not true

[upbeat needle]

but yeah you coulda just got hard fucked by procs

[limber lion]

Heroic balls have more health than Mythic balls

Fyi

[upbeat needle]

no shot

[limber lion]

Yes

[upbeat needle]

wow

[limber lion]

They nerfed the ball hp

[upbeat needle]

tf blizzard

[limber lion]

Only on mythic

[frigid kestrel]

Ye i use the Winds WA so im cognizant on when its about to proc so i dont accidently have it proc when im not on boss.

[upbeat needle]

I thought they nerfed both das wild

[umbral summit]

is it pretty RNG? sorry dumb questions but I've been tunnelling Sub this tier and honestly I'm only logging on for raid progress so I'm a bit behind on class knowledge atm

I had similar numbers for the Eye and the Nine

[limber lion]

It procs once every 20s

[limber lion]

Consistently every 20s

[upbeat needle]

^

[limber lion]

Just sim yourself

And see what your damage breakdown is like on the sim

Dashing + r5 will do quite a biy

What covenant are you?

[upbeat needle]

Even Dashing r4 with his stats should be pretty good

[limber lion]

Venth pushes Winds higher as well

[upbeat needle]

he venth

@umbral summit https://wago.io/AxF6CvQ79

take dat

use dat

love dat

[frigid kestrel]

Yes

That shit is gold

[upbeat needle]

^ dis man knows

[umbral summit]

installed now - is there something proactive I can do with that, like save Vanish for example?

[frigid kestrel]

You could

but

I just have it to keep me aware for the most part

[limber lion]

One step at a time child.

[upbeat needle]

Snorkle you should run a guardian kill

[limber lion]

Sim yourself first

[upbeat needle]

that too

[limber lion]

You're getting barraged by information

[upbeat needle]

Soon he'll be smiling bout them 69k Winter hits

[umbral summit]

Sim shows it 3rd, I guess I got fucked by RNG

wtf

[viscid spear]

This kid playing Final Fantasy

[bleak sky]

Have any of you smart bois seen the "how to generate chaos bane procs faster video"?