thats because you play BS/DS on guardian which is still the best ST talents, mfd is only good because we choose to play vigor
#assassination
halcyon zealot
grand ridge
when I loaded my simc it tried simming my frost gems at one level lower than they actually are
I wonder why it did that
hollow river
You might have different shards selected at the bottom
hollow river
Maybe you “Replaced existing gems”
grand ridge
ohh
I bet I missed a check box
you are prob right
I manually swapped them out to the right ones like a dumdum
ty
bleak sun
Is mfd good on m+ now or vigor still the go to ? (venthyr)
fluid musk
does anybody know if 2 Edge of Night stack for its effect? (should I use 1 or 2?)
gusty mirage
Sim it. Edge of night stacking is better for sub because of deeper daggers and a ton of combo point expenditure
But it could be good for sin, depends on your gear tbh
spice spire
It does stack but as for potency yeah it should be simmed
fluid musk
thanks 🙂
gusty mirage
limber lion
Guardian is avtually a really good encounter for Obedience
placid pagoda
@limber lion what’s the best way to parse high on Soulrender Mythic? Dot everything + use CT? I can’t get above 50- also no chain?
bleak sky
<@165215952479322112> what’s the best way to parse high on Soulrender Mythic? D...
no windwalkers, no dks
ezpz
unreal glen
Should I be going IB on 2-3 target fights (Like Eye, Nine, Soul, Fate, KT) and Prey for other fights since the bleeds from IB don’t count towards raid bosses? I noticed for Talent recommendations its 3-3-2-0-0-2-1 for ST. But in regards to 2-3 target I’m curious.
bleak sky
I don't think you should be kidney shotting anything
violet jackal
<@165215952479322112> what’s the best way to parse high on Soulrender Mythic? D...
I got a 91 with plaguebomb and doing 5th group chain, definitely rupture as many things as you can while getting as much single target on boss and the overlords
placid pagoda
I got a 91 with plaguebomb and doing 5th group chain, definitely rupture as many...
Thanks panda - I haven’t been rupturing the ads but I will - I find it hard as my cd’s constantly align with tormentor spawning but obviously want to dumb it all into boss
violet jackal
It was either 3rd or 4th overlord i blew a vendetta on, it lined and it was the one that the group was having trouble killing before it entered the zone
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> what’s the best way to parse high on Soulrender Mythic? D...
It really depends on your strat. The longer the adds are alive, the better parse you can edge out. Just make sure to rupture 2-3 adds, garrote one and just keep slamming the boss/overlord.
placid pagoda
It really depends on your strat. The longer the adds are alive, the better parse...
Good to know - thank you
limber lion
Good luck!
strange python
It really depends on your strat. The longer the adds are alive, the better parse...
Are your adds living long enough for rupture??
Our boomies are holding ramp to try to parse
limber lion
Are your adds living long enough for rupture??
It really depends on which adds we're talking about
hushed dirge
Got my Arachnid Ring from my only dungeon option in the vault
limber lion
The first ones get blasted
But if you're out there instantly throwing ruptures, it should be fine regardless
strange python
We run double Boomie double Hunter and they've reached agreements on which sets they're going to explode
hushed dirge
Completely worth picking over the other options
limber lion
Again, depends on your strat
With my old guild we cc'd everything, killed the overlord, then gripped everything together
With Method we just interrupt and pull everything on top of the overlord instantly
strange python
Yeah our raid hard targets them and holds CDs for parsw
limber lion
I mean I can't get a r1 on it either because our strat is just "go ham"
unreal glen
I don't think you should be kidney shotting anything
So then why do I see multiple rogues using IB on certain fights vs Prey?
limber lion
But like padding on the adds is the main thing to get a good parse on it.
strange python
How many stacks are you getting on flag with obedience btw?
Outside of lust window
limber lion
Here's my damage breakdown on my most recent 99 on it, look at CT. 6 casts, #8 in damage
Here's the #1 (non-external) public log
Cropped the casts, oops
But it's 24 casts of CT.
Adds obviously living mega long for these dudes if they can get 24 CT's off
limber lion
How many stacks are you getting on flag with obedience btw?
28-30, 25-28 without cds.
bleak sky
So then why do I see multiple rogues using IB on certain fights vs Prey?
best guess is people don't bother swapping those talents ever
limber lion
So then why do I see multiple rogues using IB on certain fights vs Prey?
That row of talents makes 0% difference.
You never change that row, it does not matter which talent you choose.
It does not contribute to your dps whatsoever.
It's a utility talent, and frankly, a completely useless row in raids.
unreal glen
Aight so that’s what I was under the impression of. But I kept seeing it so I figured I’d ask
Cheers for the help dudes
strange python
28-30, 25-28 without cds.
CDs being vend? Assuming not just mfd
Feels like I've been getting 24-26 most flags and not sure where I'm missing cps
limber lion
CDs being vend? Assuming not just mfd
Vend/Vanish/MFD yeh
But should be consistently getting around 25 without Vanish/Vend as well
Just need to make sure to pool energy before slapping Flag
tired depot
I’m new to rogue should I get dashing Or obedience to 262 first?
limber lion
I’m new to rogue should I get dashing Or obedience to 262 first?
Either is fine honestly.
What do you want to do?
Obedience is great in m+ as well, Dashing not so much.
tired depot
Does obedience change gameplay at all besides the lower cd?
limber lion
Does obedience change gameplay at all besides the lower cd?
Not really, it makes syncing Flag/Vend more straightforward.
But you still slam everything on cooldown.
lavish lichen
Does vendetta increase CP generation? Or you just mention them both bc you sync them?
limber lion
Yeah they both contribute to more CP's
lavish lichen
Gotcha, yea vanish I understand
strange python
I'm still kinda surprised to see such a big split between vend before or after flag in top logs
After is clearly more common but there's a consistent handful of before
tired depot
Does dashing make the spec “faster”
limber lion
Not so much
hollow river
I’ve heard some say they noticed the difference
I’ve noticed nothing different about the energy regen
Maybe I’m just used to it now
limber lion
I’ve heard some say they noticed the difference
It's probably the same people who say they notice the difference between 15% and 20% haste.
But it's just placebo, you definitely don't feel it.
obsidian aurora
venth assa rogue here with dashing leggo
should flagalation be used with vendetta or on cooldown?
limber lion
You can feel Dashing on AoE tbh
hollow river
It's probably the same people who say they notice the difference between 15% and...
But I do notice that 
limber lion
But not so much in ST
limber lion
But I do notice that <:Toxic:585733851591081984>
No you don't. :P
limber lion
venth assa rogue here with dashing leggo
should flagalation be used with vendet...
Flag on cooldown.
You can sync the last cast as long as you don't miss casts.
obsidian aurora
Flag on cooldown.
gotcha
hollow river
Have you been using mfd Cev?
I’m assuming yes
We should be starting Sylvanas prog this week.
limber lion
Have you been using mfd Cev?
Yeh a few times. It's pretty good.
hollow river
I’m probably gonna try mfd Obe and some sub on sylv
I’ve got my rank 4 blood which sims neutral to my rank 5 frost for sub
And I should have 262 Obe soon
Any ways to get 40 cinders after I’ve done my Torghast? 😦
hushed dirge
I didn't get my phial again. 
hollow river
I can’t remember how much cinders you get from Tormentors and cov assaults 
bleak sun
- 10-17/missions table
hollow river
Idk if my mission table dudes are high enough level rofl
Need to get that venture plan thing
bleak sun
Idk farming on mobile Phone missions :pepeclown-1:
alpine latch
Man, my alt rogue has literallt everything I want on my main, except for KT shoulders/Painsmith pants.
I am a week away from r5 frost and I can't even use it yet
bleak sky
I'm having problems in NW with aggro. I'm usually the first spear on the first boss. I tricks my tank but the boss turns on me.
am I dumb or does tricks not transfer 100% of the threat I generate?
gusty mirage
Tricks is weird with external stuff sometimes. Make sure you attack first for a few seconds then spear, and save vanish just in case
bleak sky
alright, ty ❤️
slow marsh
Hey guys just wondering what you all recommend to use for tricks of the trade? With the PvP talent I saw it has a damage buff so was wondering if you auto focus macro it to mutilate and focus a dps in your group or if you keep it on your tank
thorny rose
pvp talents don’t work in pve
slow marsh
Oh darn. Thanks
Also I noticed that a lot of m+ rogues use doomblade. What is the aoe opener for sin using doomblade? Should I mutilate each mob to get the bleed on then use CT and then slam some big boy envenoms or what
spice spire
Nothing really changes when using DB
Normal openers. Once you’re down to <4 targets you start muting
It’s mainly used for prio damage. I run with a WW+Ele shaman
0 boss damage but they blow packs up
slow marsh
So I just spam can of knife and crimson tempest them?
spice spire
Open with garrote x4 if running subterfuge. Start with CT, but if you have more than four targets, use fok as builder and make sure you rupture as many targets as possible for damage + energy regen. Just use CT as a bleed, not as a generic aoe finisher
slow marsh
So when should i use exsang
spice spire
gusty mirage
So when should i use exsang
spice spire
I just realized who I was answering
spice spire
I’m at work I wasn’t reading names just answering questions 
viscid spear
I want a Can O' Knives 
spice spire
Oh ik oxi is a bully 
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
Unlike oxi
You’re just mad because I’m 100% right. Period.
spice spire
slow marsh
I wish the guy would come back
Hopefully he rejoins again next week to continue his pattern
spice spire
slow marsh
No cuz even with like 160% haste it's still poop
spice spire
Somethings require a miracle 
slow marsh
Well technically Vel forced him to
But yeah
Same diff
I actually like the MfD gameplay so far
deft obsidian
Not tried it yet, is it just full send abilities on cd?
oak sky
you use mfd during flag
zinc frost
So when should i use exsang
oak sky
and otherwise send it on cd or potentially hold it for a short time to get resets
deft obsidian
Will run it a bit this reset and see
vestal wren
exsang needs a rework
slow marsh
Afaik (I didn't play during bfa) exsang was only good cuz BP azerite powers
balmy condor
Afaik (I didn't play during bfa) exsang was only good cuz BP azerite powers
Yeh, azerite powers and an ungodly amount of haste steroids
Galecallers was basically a haste divine bell on crack
And then we had vita trinket which was just another crazy trinket
And no DR
I saw someone hit over 300% haste during opener
alpine latch
Man, I miss corruptions
soft shale
tell me
alpine latch
It sucked to get them, but stacking a ton of haste made for some hilarious shit
soft shale
i farmed so much shit that patch
if only i didnt work
i could have had neck 110
too
timid cloud
zinc frost
I mainly pushed arena in BFA corruptions were no where near as fun in pvp than pve. Gushing wound broken af
spice spire
I definitely miss shrouded
lavish lichen
It sucked to get them, but stacking a ton of haste made for some hilarious shit
Goes back to what we’ve talked about, decent system but then terrible acquisition method just make it feel awful
subtle tundra
i miss bfa
tahts a bruh bruh
alpine latch
Goes back to what we’ve talked about, decent system but then terrible acquisitio...
That's the Blizzard way. A great system in theory, but in application and acquisition, it's shit
viscid spear
Doing dailies in Korthia and a DH does 75% of my health in one The Hunt.
halcyon zealot
tahts a bruh bruh
anything to get me outta SL
soft shale
wait until a warrior with necro banner gets a mortal combo MS sharpen on your neck
or an arcane barrages you with mobs around
normal mist
Can someone explain me why is frost shards the best set for assa rogues on pair with dashing? Started raiding yesterday and my fellow guildmembers told me that unholy was my go to, but it seems every top rogue is using frost. @ me please!
ebon notch
Lots of small crits
viscid spear
Are your guildmembers also Rogues that are members of this Discord?
ebon notch
Dashing increases the crit chance of poisons which is even more xrits
normal mist
nah, i believe im the only rogue there
hollow river
Frost is easily better
Including the absorbs for healing
But better consistent damage too
But it can take getting somewhat high ilvl and decent crit to be better
slow marsh
Can someone explain me why is frost shards the best set for assa rogues on pair ...
Combination of the simple fact that frost set is best for specs that crit often for smaller numbers, along with lots of crit gear in raid making it easily achievable to have 40%+ crit while maintaining a reasonable amount of haste and add to that a legendary that makes your lots of little crits crit even more often and add energy to boot
normal mist
i did a normal run, start to finish, got some 226 items with sockets altough all my gear is 239 pvp. 226 + 3 sockets probably better for raid than 239 pvp right ?
normal mist
i reached rival b4 started raiding ._.
slow marsh
Thats fine and respect for doing the PvP thing but you can't really bring PvP gear into PvE and expect to do well like you could in nathria
normal mist
i did the raid as sub, since everyone was hyped about it, the logs were kinda meh (overall 54%) and it was my first time in the raid.
Well, atm, as assa with some gear changes, i've got 20% crit and 18% haste, along with 26% versa
slow marsh
Yeah the actual stats don't really matter much especially if you're just starting raiding. I would first decide which spec you're gonna play and just constantly run droptimizer and top gear
normal mist
Im an assa bitch, so it will be assa
slow marsh
You want to focus on just one set bonus first. So if you're gonna play sin focus frost, if you're gonna play sub it's gonna be blood
soft shale
haste vers is meh now you can run the crit vers pieces and do fine tho
so belt and ring are kinda fine
normal mist
all my gear is hast vers (pvp pieces) :(((
slow marsh
Ye that's true
lavish lichen
Dw too much about the gear tbh, just focus on your gameplay and once you have that straighten out you’ll probably have plenty of gear to choose from
normal mist
Well i'll raid hc tonight, hopefuly gonna get some good upgrades. and with some luck, dagger from sylv in the box tomorrow!
slow marsh
It'll take a whole lot more than just some luck lol
normal mist
shhh dont spoil it!
slow marsh
☺️
normal mist
last season i waited since pretty much the last month to get a 226 phial
so ... im not a lucky man indeed
spice spire
slow marsh
another week of research
normal mist
Question: is the unholy set good for any rogue spec?
slow marsh
it's like middle of the road
limber lion
Question: is the unholy set good for any rogue spec?
It's decent for all specs.
Not the best choice for any.
slow marsh
you're not trolling with it by any means
slow marsh
it's just mostly that it's unpredictable
limber lion
It’s best for sub if you’re kyrian
slow marsh
it is nice for aoe fights tho
kind talon
it is nice for aoe fights tho
Only for sub tho, sin gets funnel out of frost
viscid spear
Sometimes I miss Sub
And then I come to my senses
vestal wren
you come to your senses and respec to subtlety ofc
prisma cypress
does sub actually use frost?
soft shale
its not horrible but worse
the damage cap is too litle for many specs and sub is one of them
vestal wren
does sub actually use frost?
it does if you have no other option
soft shale
even with high crit as you dont have that many instances of damage its not as good
vestal wren
both unholy/blood are better on sub
lavish lichen
it's just mostly that it's unpredictable
Honestly this + it has no defensives bonus while not being the best damage option for any of the specs makes it cringe to use imo, i guess ok for sub since the difference is smaller there
toxic quail
yo
brazen zodiac
yall full ?
toxic quail
you want inv back?
toxic quail
we need more rogues
fallen arch
Weren’t you in a 14hr bus drive
brazen zodiac
yeah i was on it
also no traffic throughout NY apparently
wait oz did i type 14 or something i thought u mistyped 4
ah i did ijust checked the search lmfao. nah it was like a 5-6 hour bus ride from long island to upstate NY
full tendon
Cannot get a fucking dagger except in keys @_@
fallen arch
wait oz did i type 14 or something i thought u mistyped 4
Ye I was already thinking
U ppl take planes for distances like that right
brazen zodiac
im actually scared of planes
planes, escalators, and trains
havent taken either, and the like third time i take the escalators i fall and cry in frnt of everyone in port authority
lmfao
im guessing u take plans a lot
umbral sandal
We did it!
full tendon
So jealous
rapid spindle
i can't even get one dagger
brazen zodiac
I got two edges as well but have never used them
you made me cry
mortal phoenix
We did it!
my dream
fallen arch
you made me cry
Sorry about that 😂
gusty mirage
umbral sandal
252 mh with 246 edge
Wish I had that kinda
fallen arch
Wish I had that kinda
Why kinda, it’s almost certainly better for sin
umbral sandal
Yeah but vault be like "FUCK YOU" on every reset
fallen arch
Oh ye vault be like that
toxic quail
ayeeee winner
umbral sandal
yee
fallen arch
Since I got edge twice, watch me never get a 259 one once I get Sylv down next week
fallen arch
Probably
oak sky
🙂
umbral sandal
inb4 you get that ring tho
fallen arch
But a man can never be sure
fallen arch
Well
hollow river
What’s max renown this week
fallen arch
Our raid tomorrow is gonna be cut short by 2 hrs
oak sky
oof
umbral sandal
74
oak sky
are you in p3 pog rn
full tendon
76, p. sure
oak sky
no its 76
hollow river
I can catch with up layer 9 Torghast can’t I
fallen arch
Also I can’t believe what I’m reading about monks
hollow river
I’m not too far behind
umbral sandal
What’s max renown this week
for me it's 74 since no reset yet 😦
hollow river
But until 74 I should be good
fallen arch
They’re buffing a covenant, and leaving ww untouched further?
oak sky
dude venthyr was barely playable
full tendon
Whixh cov?
full tendon
Ah, gross
oak sky
evening out covenants is a good thing
full tendon
Wouldn't hate aoe nerf, st buff
sand sigil
anyone know why sim in 2t doesnt put out the 2nd rupture until like 20seconds into the sim?
fallen arch
James congrats on last weekend
sand sigil
James congrats on last weekend
ty fam
fallen arch
fallen arch
anyone know why sim in 2t doesnt put out the 2nd rupture until like 20seconds in...
Super weird, no clue
Have been wondering that too
sand sigil
oh yeah i guess that makes sense
limber lion
anyone know why sim in 2t doesnt put out the 2nd rupture until like 20seconds in...
It values Envenom during Shiv windows
It applies a rupture right after Shiv is over.
sand sigil
i guess u could just delay this shiv vanish if u didnt lose one based on fight timer
then have double bleeds up for the shiv window
limber lion
Ye
During lust and with Vend you shouldn't run into energy-issues so it's not giga necessary, but it's still missing out on free rupture damage
sand sigil
also noticed that ep + stratagem was simming a lot higher than ep vig or bs ds for 2t or cleave add
limber lion
But yeh, the sim generally values slamming everything on cd
limber lion
Yeh especially with Dashing
oak sky
i always considered it an st fight
limber lion
:')
limber lion
Extend ends when the last boss is dead.
oak sky
yep
next week or 2w
should be over
gm is moving the roster around a lot which is making our prog really slow
gusty mirage
dude venthyr was barely playable
wdym I loved spending 2 GCDs to do like 5 extra dps
it was great
gusty mirage
coupled with the greatest mobility spell in the game
door of shadows
was just a grand ol' time
oak sky
9.0 fleshcraft
bleak sky
It’s mainly used for prio damage. I run with a WW+Ele shaman
my group now is a fire/frost mage + venth boomy
I feel like I do jack shit in packs either as sub or sin
would you think it's worth to run db/obe?
oak sky
obe 👍
gusty mirage
slow marsh
if you feel like you're not doing any dmg in packs then either you're doing low keys and it doesn't really matter or you're just not bleeding enough
@bleak sky
spice spire
I mean I get the feeling
when you're doing 15ishk, and you see the monk doing 30 on the same pack, it feels like no damage
but you gotta look at it from a different perspective. from my experience, obviously there will be peaks for bigger pulls, but assassination has one of the flatter damage profiles. I go from at bare minimum no CDs on a lieutenant 6.5k to about 22k max, thus far. While the shaman regularly pulls about 4k on bosses, but can blast 40k on big pulls pretty regularly.
slow marsh
yeah big true, can't only look at what you're peaking in big pulls
rogue is known for being the consistent dps in keys. it's not as much of a rollercoaster as other classes, but with that we hardly ever get played around which kind of diminishes that as a strength
spice spire
yeah I agree, I'll look at the overall and not that. Even then, I know my role in a key, and if I'm not top damage on fortified, good, that means someone else is doing their job
sand sigil
can someone explain wtf happened here lmao
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uUEaoJsGQWvC3vYLYhL3Nc i sim bs/ds and its top sim
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eRTq3FhYHuJyBzt4hkatUj then i sim bs/ds but with the option of doomblade and it says ep vig top sim w/ same exact gear except its hundreds less
like i checked every box and idk wtf is missing lol
drowsy parcel
the second sim doesnt have master assassin talented
or any other talent in the second row
oak sky
lmao what
balmy condor
ebon notch
sand sigil
?
limber lion
lul
oak sky
it says 0
balmy condor
that's a pretyt insane response
drowsy parcel
oak sky
sand sigil
wtf lol
spice spire
yeah that's current gear
balmy condor
yeh
sand sigil
how did i even manage that
spice spire
lol
balmy condor
like he's correct
oak sky
lmao
spice spire
you just didn't put a row 2
balmy condor
but thats insane
spice spire
classic raidbots 
sand sigil
its so meessed up outlaw sim so much higher than sin on st lol
makes no sense to me
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gKw2JX6KoABoAxM6QWo44C i cant decide what i wanna play for raid since i need bonesmith soulbind for both specs
oak sky
with 10 conduit energy refund on the daily reset you could set one up and swap mid raid if you wanted to
lot of work though
hearthing out and stuff
kind talon
its so meessed up outlaw sim so much higher than sin on st lol
Come back to the motherland
kind talon
cto on sin is the tech
shy dust
don't do that, it's awful
Vels near rank 1 says otherwise
balmy condor
Vels near rank 1 says otherwise
oak sky
conduits matter
balmy condor
wait is this even real
yeh
you get random buffs as intended
also allows you to open from stealth with ambush
the forbidden opener
still dogshit though
charred wraith
how did i even manage that
when you do torghast and choose a power that gives a second talent in the row, it sometimes just unchooses every talent in the row in the end of the run, i played my alt shaman without a t2 or t3 talent chosen at all for almost a week (aftershock row) 
charred wraith
you get random buffs as intended
broadsides assa rogue 
soft shale
the secret tech no one wants to talk bout
ahaha imagine rp worked with any other spec
subtle gyro
Might be a stupid question, but is there a different in wep enchants? Like sinful has to go on the OH while celest on the MH? Is there a difference or no?
soft shale
nope
that is a tale of old
sinfulx2 is creeping closer to celestial sinful with all the proc shit tho
wary ice
just play cto and blindside
Now when you say awful
wary ice
https://tenor.com/view/stop-cut-it-off-jonah-hill-gif-3553457
I got nothing better to do
subtle gyro
what is this double sinful thing? i feel trolled : /
wary ice
Double sinful pulls ahead on some dims because the agi gain from guidance is worth less than the extra uptime on sinful rev
wary ice
I've never seen it sizably ahead
subtle gyro
celest uptime is higher though, is it not?
wary ice
Yeah but the buff is worth less now than it was last october
Or I guess more accurately, over a sufficiently large sample size double sinful will do more
subtle gyro
its 6% of your base agi?
i just have not seen any other rogues running dbl sinful...
wary ice
its 6% of your base agi?
I'm not the most qualified to get I to it, but the quick and dirty is that the agi delta from the buff is worth less the more agi we get
lavish lichen
Double sinful loses value as soon as you add any type of secondary target
wary ice
Double sinful loses value as soon as you add any type of secondary target
Also true but it's not uncommon to see it pull ahead on st Sims, and that's why
lavish lichen
Right, was just commenting on why you don’t see it often
lavish lichen
It depends what kind of dungeons you’re doing
Same thing with pots, you don’t pot on a 15 but you’ll prob pot on a 25
wraith mantle
question, just got edge of night and was wondering if, A it changes anything in the rotation, and B if the effect procs of of rupture and if it does does it proc off just the initial hit or any bleed damage as well from it
bleak sky
rogue is known for being the consistent dps in keys. it's not as much of a rolle...
it's honest ethical damage, but it's exactly what makeitquake said: you pull 10k every pack, the frost mage pulls 30k so
bleak sky
question, just got edge of night and was wondering if, A it changes anything in ...
edge of night doesn't change rotation; idk about B
short token
is shard of bek not very good on mythic sylv? is there a better option like speed or zed?
subtle gyro
Double sinful loses value as soon as you add any type of secondary target
which is like all of SoD minus one fight, so again not worth it?
balmy condor
is shard of bek not very good on mythic sylv? is there a better option like spe...
zed
short token
@balmy condor ty
wraith mantle
Wait, does crimsion temptest have a chance to proc the extra effect on all targets?
subtle gyro
that proc works better for Sub over Assassination correct?
balmy condor
Wait, does crimsion temptest have a chance to proc the extra effect on all targe...
what extra effect
are we still talking sinful?
or sylv dagger
frigid kestrel
Edge
balmy condor
sigh
balmy condor
having to explain edge for the 50 millionth time
you spend cp, it hits 1 target
if it's an aoe finish
it hits 1 target
frigid kestrel
After I watched him chase another rogue with fear in a fail Tarragrue I deserve something 
harsh lantern
yeah just wondering its 235 rn
hollow river
Frost shards like crit but I highly doubt it’s a big gain at all
harsh lantern
didnt know if i should re do
hollow river
Sim and see is the best answer 🙃
harsh lantern
perfect ty
hollow river
normal mist
Aight, after 5hc bosses down, using pretty much the same gear I used yesterday (as sub) I did around 1k DPS increase in all bosses but the first one.
I still have a question tho:
When I sim, my talents always say blindside over e.p and 6cps over vigor. Should I still run ep and vigor?
From what I read, blindside is good when I'm super undergeared
balmy condor
normal mist
Thank you @balmy condor .
Since my raiding team has huge cleave/aoe dmg, I'll just s.t the sh*t out of SoD
viscid spear
Yeah, as Sin they should want you for boss damage easily
normal mist
Oh really? D:
full tendon
WTB 252 dagger or 246 Sylv :(((((
normal mist
Yeah please, feel free to explain!
viscid spear
Only Guardian bc it's as close to a Patchwerk fight in SoD we can get if we're lucky enough to not get bombs, right?
balmy condor
yeh
guardian is the only fight in the raid
that doesn't have any cleave
and is raw 100-0
normal mist
Can you explain the MFD as venthyr part? (Is it because of flag?)
balmy condor
correct
viscid spear
Should I upgrade Tel or Kyr first?
viscid spear
Well I have 50 Embers right now, so I can only do one at the moment
viscid spear
Cor is at 5 already, getting the second to 5 and hopefully I can get the last to 5 quick next week
balmy condor
yeah I'm rank 5 frost next week as well
viscid spear
I would've been already but there was about 3 weeks where I didn't have my PC and that was brutal
normal mist
Question: (sorry for so many, but I started raiding sanctum yesterday) why is there a pair of pants that has a bonus do frost shards but no socket? I thought all items with said bonus had sockets
balmy condor
because people were missing the pieces that enabled the actual set
so blizzard added the bonus to other pieces to help said people
viscid spear
"welfare pants"
normal mist
So, I need 3 pieces that say something about frost set to actually get the set bonus to work?
balmy condor
no
void pecan
no.
viscid spear
Just 3 Dom sockets with one of them being shoulders
Or the welfare pants and 3 shards
viscid spear
Yeah, the KT shoulders are your best but you could use Tarra's if you're unlucky
normal mist
ATM have kt normal ones.
Also got the hc head from... I'm on the phone so I can't remember. Gives haste vers.
void pecan
Long as you have a piece that says "equip 3 frost for frost thing" and 3 domination sockets, you're golden
fading wigeon
Can anyone tell me wth I am doing wrong here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6zXvqJxPtmgcLkdC#fight=7&type=damage-done&source=95
wraith mantle
having to explain edge for the 50 millionth time
sry
balmy condor
All good
Just tiring after like 4 months of a patch you’d think the questions go away
But they don’t xD
Couple days ago someone asked me if having 2 rogues in raid is bad because of a bug that they fixed during ptr
void pecan
void pecan
Can anyone tell me wth I am doing wrong here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/repor...
Far as I can tell just optimize a bit better
pool for shiv, finishers during flag, slightly increased uptime on bleeds
fading wigeon
Thank you
oak sky
slight optimization on opener
flag rupture vendetta
but that shouldnt be a huge difference either way
fading wigeon
I must be missing something big
void pecan
If you're talking about parse number as your issue
fading wigeon
I do need to pool better for shiv
void pecan
kill times + number of rogues
oak sky
you probably need to pool better period
the general rule is pooling on every envenom outside cds
fading wigeon
ok
fading wigeon
ok sounds good, I know I haven't been doing that
oak sky
but in vendetta shiv flag you want as many finishers as possible
fading wigeon
ok so flag, rupture, vendetta, shiv , vanish ?
fading wigeon
thanks again
oak sky
np i hope ganandor helped you too
viscid spear
Does the Necronom-i-nom never give you the huge jump ever again since 9.1? Only ever got the skeleton, shrink, and b/w screen
fading wigeon
np i hope ganandor helped you too
@void pecan yeah he did, thank you guys
balmy condor
dense hamlet
clever crow
dont take it serious xd
balmy condor
yeh
subtle tundra
and does the reduced gcd from adrenaline rush work for us?
dense hamlet
dont think so
its not in the ability whitelist in wowhead
either im looking at wrong one
or they havent added it
balmy condor
it does not
dense hamlet
does it work on rupture and evis?
balmy condor
no
dense hamlet
i was looking at something that was showing it works
i guess that was the wrong one
yeah its only some outlaw abilities
balmy condor
afaik it doesn't work on anything not outlaw
because they fixed AR
since it was banger on sin/sub during beta with celerity
west geode
woot got rank 5 frost finally (went r5 unholy first) now hit 10k on sims. Time to go venthyr and make dashing !
dense hamlet
viscid spear
H Sylvie time, hopefully we don't spend two whole nights to not get it like last week
manic pebble
is it possible to get minor attributes on domination gears?
viscid spear
Another H Sylvie, no dagger
inland hull
Any log reviewers?
inland hull
Cool - gl on KT
arctic walrus
Cool - gl on KT
send
inland hull
I'm Grimsolo
Got a lot of improving to do, I see I dropped garrote, but any advice would help
arctic walrus
your opener is a little shoddy, I'd review up one of the guides to get it down. You refresh bleeds during shiv, that should be avoided for the most part by reapplying prior to casting shiv. You also vanished without shiv active, the order of your cds should always be vend > shiv > vanish, you want your MA window during your shiv. Your gear isn't that great, missing a dom socket, low ilvl conduits
inland hull
Well, hey, that's all stuff I can fix! Awesome, thanks man!
static rock
Is rupturing the immune orb on remnant okay?
clever kindle
yes
clever kindle
you want to dot them for energy and makes it a little easier to do damage to them once they go vulnerable
balmy condor
Is rupturing the immune orb on remnant okay?
as soon as possible yeh
split grail
At what point do I switch from unholy set to frost?
balmy condor
when it sims higher
split grail
Is there a quick way to sim that. Other than plugging in all the gem changes through raidbots?
cobalt pelican
that is quite quick
balmy condor
you go to top gear
cobalt pelican
takes like 10 seconds + maybe a couple mins of waiting
split grail
ty
inland hull
@arctic walrus I'm seeing a lot of these shiv and bleed timing issues that I for sure need to fix. The group was a pug and I'm realizing we had no warrior, no monk, and no enhance. But would that even really have made much of a difference?
inland hull
Oh yeah, the gaps in my play are on me, for sure.
static rock
Okay is it a dps loss to swap off vendetta target
Like to dot an orb?
Or during shiv window?
cobalt pelican
you don't need to swap targets to dot
but generally you should do these things before you press your cds
static rock
Don’t you blow vendetta on pull?
cobalt pelican
i'm not really sure what you're asking
the first orbs become hittable at like 19 seconds or something
cobalt pelican
but if the base question is should you interrupt cds flying for a no damage rupture for energy then no
static rock
Oh okay thanks
cobalt pelican
it's barely worth interrupting cds during the opener for real dots on the nine fx
so it'd never be worth it for less payoff
static rock
Okay figured that thanks
split grail
I guess I don't understand how raidbots works. When I change my gems in top gear I only get a 2 dps increase but when I change them in gear compare it's a 1000 dps increase
split grail
Oh, that might help. lol, thanks
viscid spear
Just put multiple gems in every slot, duh
sacred island
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/M4HnqyBZQmaDcCTG/ Can i get a log review please?
hollow river
it's barely worth interrupting cds during the opener for real dots on the nine f...
Could just dot them both before CDs 🤔
cobalt pelican
it's not like the dots are free if you do that
you push shiv back several gcds
it's still worth it it's just pretty close, hitting an immune target in the same case is a nobrainer
hollow river
Idk I’ve heard you dot both then CD after so you know you’re not getting the first fragments during CDs
More of a safeguard play I suppose
thorny pond
Just troll like some people who parse do and cloak it off
hollow river
This is true
slow marsh
i mean why wouldn't you though tbh
inland hull
People just say "not my problem" and yeet that fragment to get better parses?
Like how much better?
Asking for a friend
fallen arch
We’ve all done it
oak sky
if you want to be ethical you run in the group and cloak it
fallen arch
Like how much better?
Well, moving out of range for 10 seconds during vendetta+shiv is a pretty big hit
oak sky
real gamers precloak it so nobody knows
fallen arch
I cloaked it once and then the tank got it, that’s pretty annoying
inland hull
We've got our hc on Thursday. Letting the RL know I'm gonna try a new strat
rotund drift
really feeling more and more comfortably with assa over sub in keys, it just feels smoother to play imo, i might not be the top dps all the time but i melt bosses and make good use of my ccs, assa rocks in m+ :D
fallen arch
Word
slow marsh
steel ridge
People just say "not my problem" and yeet that fragment to get better parses?
Fellow rogue in my raid did this and when my RL noticed it, oh boi, he got a smack on the wrist
upbeat needle
terse talon
fallen arch
Zoldyck
Obe good too if you’re venthyr
And I think some guys play dashing too for ToP since it’s a lot of single target
uneven summit
Obe good too if you’re venthyr
no shit 😂
fallen arch
?
brazen zodiac
? x2
uneven summit
it´s a venthyr legendary :p
subtle tundra
obe all dungeons ez
and zoldyck if not venth
but like top tyra you can swap leggo based on key level/comp
strange python
hello guys, when I simulate myself, is it possible that in the simulaation doesn't care about sylv dagger power? because it says that 252 haste-versa dagger > sylv hc
oak sky
typically the dagger sims well in off hand though
strange python
it's for offhand, have 2x 252
loud light
you're not simming a weapon enchant on it
oak sky
the sim isnt showing it though its weird
strange python
okay, nice to know then, ty 😄
vast forum
You might have enchanted it after simming
loud light
strange python
You might have enchanted it after simming
nope, I didn't, I did it before
simming again
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pBDfG3np6CBcsX2YsYE5Me problem solved I guess 🙂 ty
ruby oyster
What's best 5th shard for mythic+? Speed/leech?
oak sky
unholy aura usually but its not that great
balmy condor
It’s like 1-1.5%
ruby oyster
Ok sounds better than leech, thanks
dapper flint
week 10(11?) of no dagger, fuck my shit up
ruby oyster
If it makes you feel better I have yet to see a weapon in vault since shadowlands launch :) getting close to a year now
north basin
They should add currency from bosses and vendor, so u can loot 100% something from boss after 1.5-2 months.
No effort, luck based dagger drops in august for some folks is annoying)
cobalt hemlock
looking for a pve coaching (can discuss price and payment method in dms)
gloomy fern
looking for a pve coaching (can discuss price and payment method in dms)
i can recommend @marble hemlock with discount code "retired rogue" he helped me greatly
marble hemlock
heavy coral
charred wraith
bc life is disappointing
shrewd night
bc life is disappointing
what this guy said
round temple
Is 2 246 sylvannas daggers better then mh 252 vers/mastery and sylvannas 246 offhand? Ballparkish I don’t have access to sims atm
oak sky
nah
main hand dps is better
252 mh with sylvanas oh is the best for pretty much everyone
round temple
Neat, thanks
sick cairn
soulrender, tempest yah or nah?
fallen arch
252 mh with sylvanas oh is the best for pretty much everyone
2x 252 sims better for me
soft shale
yes soulrender you go ct
oak sky
That can happen too
fallen arch
Necro thing maybe idk,
charred wraith
you have to press cloak 1-0,5 of a second before it "attaches"
use a weak aura, standart sod pack has the countdown
glacial orchid
cheers
limber lion
I haven't had issues with it ever, but it's likely that I've always just pressed it just before the mechanic happens.
Cloak is a bit janky sometimes because of the initial immunity thingy it provides.
Hope it was a bit clearer how long the hard immunity lasts and what it works on. Oh well
winter gale
Guys, Is it normal that my current gear with r4 doomblade sims 1.1% better than r6 Dashing ?
I am not sure am I simming something wrong
fallen arch
Link sim
thorn grotto
are you necro?
strange python
u got 213 ilvl pieces man what do u expect 😂 gear up and ull be good
fallen arch
Crit is of major impact
thorn grotto
Necro has an additional bleed scaling with doomblade so you need very high crit for dashing to edge it out
fallen arch
And u prob dont have enough of it
oak sky
Also for necro its really hard to make dashing pull ahead of doomblade
Oh daxius said that
strange python
ye dashing started simming better for me as necro only above 38% krit
fallen arch
And above like 247 ilvl
winter gale
I need to go for Doomblade as Necro?
Im about to craft a leggo today so thats why I asked all of this.
thorn grotto
Doomblade is the default one that works well for all gear levels, then as you get better gear you can consider Dashing Scoundrel (just let the sims guide your ways)
fallen arch
^
winter gale
Ty
placid dawn
for me at 40% crit doomblade is still bis
tiny parrot
is assa suck in m+ or i'm just bad? or both lol
gusty mirage
is assa suck in m+ or i'm just bad? or both lol
What key level? Are you spreading bleeds and keeping up snd by using envenom to refresh it? What legendary and covenant are you playing? What dungeon was it? Lot of factors go into it my friend
valid silo
hi, for assa pvp which lego is better? doomblade or duskwalker? in 3s
cloud reef
shrewd flume
do u guys knows if the Hero Emissary cache can drop the sylv dagger?
drifting cloud
it cant
shrewd flume
tyty
hollow river
You mean the weekly quest cache?
It should say 226 ilvl loot or whatever
Sylvanas dagger is 233
strange python
says heroic sancy d loot
hollow river
Then it’s most likely only 239 gear, and Sylvanas/KT heroic loot is 246
indigo mulch
Im pretty sure it contains the entire loot table
green ledge
Pretty sure i got sire loot from that stuff last tier
strange python
lol
hollow river
Idk the last ones during this tier afaik didn’t drop KT/Sylv loot
violet hollow
U can definitely get loot from the entire loot table including kt and sylvanas items.
When I’m back home from work, I can hopefully send u a screenshot from my chest with 259 dagger in it 😂
frosty cedar
When I’m back home from work, I can hopefully send u a screenshot from my chest ...
he means the weekly quest where you do like 4 mythic dungeons and get a heroic box
violet hollow
Ahhhh sorry I‘m a brick
hollow river
Yeah I don’t think you can get kt/Sylv loot from the weekly quest cache
Someone in #subtlety just said that according to wowhead you cannot
Maybe that was the case last tier, but that doesn’t mean it’s the case this tier. Idk.
sour geyser
doomblade or zolds for m + ?
hollow river
Zoldycks
sour geyser
okay just checking im seeing alot of doomblade legendaries on raider io
sour geyser
awesome thank you and i go bonesmith ?
hollow river
awesome thank you and i go bonesmith ?
Usually yes, you may want to sim d slice to be 100% sure
Marileth can be pretty good
Kevin’s oozling soulbind is good
clever kindle
You can use either without much difference, changing 1 item same ilvl with different stat balance could make 1 or the other jump ahead
viscid spear
Zoldyck is still the usual go-to for M+ right?
pure moth
Yes
spice spire
Kevin’s oozling soulbind is good
Kevin also gives you triple potency compared to gemstones only allowing 2 potencies.
pure walrus
KT mythic shoulders are bad?
spice spire
In general Zoldyck’s are very good
spice spire
KT mythic shoulders are bad?
No. We like crit and we like haste
ebon notch
KT mythic shoulders are bad?
why would they be bad
ebon notch
the socket isnt in it
pure walrus
ah it does not auto socket
ebon notch
unless you think swapping an item could drop you over 1.1k dps
pure walrus
alrighto
spice spire
Yep, you’re losing the bonus 
pure walrus
super wierd, i never got that interaction before when it came to domination sockets
thank you very much tho! 😄
spice spire
Raidbots been very weird lately
James had a weird sim where it just didn’t keep his tier 2 row last night
Because it wasn’t selected overall.
But was currently used. So it just auto said current gear better
gusty mirage
Raidbots been very weird lately
“Lately”
Acting like it hasn’t since the terrible shard system was implemented
spice spire
Ur a terrible shard system
ebon notch
imagine not defending the shard system 
viscid spear
Frost set go whoosh heh heh
hollow river
My RL saw my frost dmg a while back after my trial
And asked if that was my cheat code
tight halo
i also want cheat code
hollow river
The thing is most other dps run unholy
So you don’t see their extra dmg on Details
Rogues out here with blood n frost doing 15%+
tight halo
which one is best for ass then?
gusty mirage
Frost
tight halo
lucky me, got the shoulders from sylvanas hc in vault today 😄
grim hornet
hey guys, im thinking on swaping from outlaw to sin/sub for ktz+sylv progress as i think the dmg patterns will fit better. Thing is i have frost set maxed out and im a few weeks away from unholy set to be maxed. Do u recomend me going sin with dashing scoundrel or just craft obedience and try to play both?
maybe this is wow general.. dunno ^^'
viscid spear
Frost set is r5?
wary ice
isnt frost stupid good for assa
OH nevermind i misread the question
Obedience is the safer choice for legendary with regards to offspecing to assa/sub because it can be used by either
<-- my names blue here so i might be am wrong, but i believe Dashing scoundrel is the play for high gear assa though
subtle tundra
the highest sim is mfd obe
grim hornet
Frost set is r5?
y
grim hornet
the highest sim is mfd obe
with frost set or unholy?
grim hornet
i mean, the highest sim for me is outlaw, but maybe dmg pattern is different than what is needed
viscid spear
Frost is far and beyond the best for Sin
subtle tundra
i mean, the highest sim for me is outlaw, but maybe dmg pattern is different tha...
its assa channel, im talking about assa
grim hornet
kk
wary ice
i mean, the highest sim for me is outlaw, but maybe dmg pattern is different tha...
IDT playing assa or sub will really make a sizable difference compared to outlaw for those fights
all 3 of the specs are really strong rn and neither of those fights have like Sludge fist esque burst windows that favors any one spec
subtle tundra
unless you play all 3 very well, just play whatever you're best at
grim hornet
does mfd + obedience needs something "special" to sim more? several sims i did past week were telling me to go dashing
ye i just wanna know the other specs in case i have to main them in the future
subtle tundra
do that on farm not on prog lol
wary ice
^ do it when the spec matters
right now we're in the wonderful spot where we have 3 roughly equal dps specs on the same class
viscid spear
Yeah, do what you do best when it's prog, screw around with other stuff when there's nothing huge happening
grim hornet
ok, tyvm guys
gusty adder
Any gameplay changes between doomblade and dashing ?
spice spire
If you’re running CT, you won’t CT in ST like you would with Doomblade
heavy vessel
Trying to figure out what this is saying... +72 to not change anything. It shuffles my dom shards to different slots and tells me to reenchant my weapons with the same enchants...
gusty mirage
link the sim
alpine latch
Sims are weird sometimes
I've once seen that it's a 30 DPS increase to change my trinkets from slot 1 -> 2
gusty mirage
I've once seen that it's a 30 DPS increase to change my trinkets from slot 1 -> ...
I'm almost positive that's because the sim defaults to using the first trinket slot
alpine latch
Probably, yeah
lavish lichen
Yea that’s exactly why
alpine latch
But yes, I've seen that too. It'll tell me to use the same Shards, but change which sockets they go into
plain onyx
on wow head it says i should enchant chest with Eternal Stats, but when i sim it picks Eternal Skirmish the best for me, does it really matter ?
proven saddle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qNd65stgqrs5q8Xz6AJnS5
The Shard of Dyz is a different rank
gusty mirage
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qNd65stgqrs5q8Xz6AJnS5
yeah it seems its just the sim being janky
alpine latch
on wow head it says i should enchant chest with Eternal Stats, but when i sim it...
I'd go with what the sims say, but it's probably within a few DPS.
gusty mirage
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m5rBxZJGYMpQMuAn7aBew7 apparently rearranging your dom shards gives you 66 dps
alpine latch
Yeah, that's common
That's not new
It's been like that for a month+
It's almost like the sim is using item levels of items in relation to the shard set bonus or something weird.
heavy vessel
The Shard of Dyz is a different rank
It's this. /facepalm
wary ice
I'm almost positive that's because the sim defaults to using the first trinket s...
it uses 1st trinket first in the case of double on use
wary ice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m5rBxZJGYMpQMuAn7aBew7 apparently rearran...
its not rearanging
his equipped are desolates
top gear are foreboding