assassination

[grand ridge]

And yes it indeed is

[whole pilot]

You just ping pong every time

[rigid pine]

p3 would be aids tho

[lavish lichen]

Its not even that much harder if people have their monitors on

[fallen arch]

My point exactly

[whole pilot]

P3 you ping away from chest

Pong back

[lavish lichen]

Not really

[whole pilot]

Chest away

[lavish lichen]

Yea

[fallen arch]

There’s not many groups that killed it without priests

[lavish lichen]

You pong yourself back into position

[fallen arch]

Just because it makes it a lot harder too

[lavish lichen]

Sure

But it’s nowhere near impossible

[rigid pine]

its like doing soulrender without dks

thats been done too

[grand ridge]

Timing the knockbacks with breaking the balls makes it so much harder

Tbh they should make the knockbacks happen twice when a priest md's

[lavish lichen]

You need more damage to ping pong as well

[grand ridge]

Like the mechanic is just completely ignored with md

The whole ping pong part of it

[fallen arch]

I dont think so

[rigid pine]

well the damage is still twice

[fallen arch]

They just force 2 priests on you to make it easier

[rigid pine]

twice knockback is just too much

[lavish lichen]

The damage isnt that high anyway

[grand ridge]

The mechanic is the same as normal on all difficulties if you have two priests

[lavish lichen]

Only like 4th boss tho so it makes sense that it isnt too hard I guess

[grand ridge]

Yeah true

[rigid pine]

yeah we took a 230 priest for it

[fallen arch]

It’s just dumb to do it without

Twice as many chances to knock people into swirlies or pizza slices

[lavish lichen]

I mean ofc

[whole pilot]

Yeah but plenty of fights have gimmicks that make one class invaluable

[lavish lichen]

No one is arguing thats its not easier with MD

[fallen arch]

Its just gonna make you wipe 2-3 more times than needed

[whole pilot]

Resto sham slt on mythic slg for example

[fallen arch]

And every reclear will be a gamble

[subtle tundra]

finally did over 13k overall in a dungeon 🚁

[arctic hare]

Overall? Whew

Good job

[spice spire]

NW check first

[mental fog]

Plese tell me how 😩

Guys, some one have a guide for assassination in mythic+ ?

[subtle tundra]

nah it was sd

[odd heath]

Nice

[subtle tundra]

but i did get 12.9k on mists last night

[odd heath]

I'm at 12.7k best myself s.s but not running many dgs tbh

[fallen arch]

Stack a warr, enha, mistweaver, and dh

Ez

[odd heath]

The 14k dream there lol

[fallen arch]

I think timing the lanterns well on SD might do more

[hollow river]

That’s what I mean. In mythic u should be MDing so it’s basically random ...

[fallen arch]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[fallen arch]

There’s lots of stuff on m+ there

Read those first and get back in here for any questions that the guides leave I’d say

Or just 1 of them

[subtle tundra]

i feel like theotar is much better than nadja in m+

1 bad thrill seeker proc and the soulbind gives 0 dps

[runic dove]

On the wowhead guide it says to craft Versa and Crit on the Obedience legendary, isnt it a mistake ? it says haste crit on all other legendaries

[fallen arch]

Thats because of possible multi speccing with sub

[subtle tundra]

also the vers is better for m+

[runic dove]

Yes i thought it was like a bad copy paste from the sub guide tbh

[fallen arch]

If you make it for sin exclusively u could consider crit/mastery for m+ or crit/haste when u also raid with it

[hollow river]

Nah it’s for multi speccing

Crit vers Obedience can be used for all 3 rogue specs

[fallen arch]

Does outlaw use obe at all?

[hollow river]

Not great for outlaw m+ tho only ST

It can yeah

[runic dove]

i plan to use it for assa mainly, both for raid and mm+ but i might play a bit of sub

Should i do versa crit then ?

[hollow river]

Yea

[fallen arch]

Ye its fine, secondaries kinda w/e anyway

[hollow river]

Crit vers if you’re gonna try some sub

The difference is so small anyway

[runic dove]

i play almost only assa so

okay

[hollow river]

Yeah up to you really

What content are you going to do?

[runic dove]

i might go haste crit since my haste is pretty low and i'm going to remove a crit haste legendary

[hollow river]

Raid/M+? Or both

[runic dove]

a bit of both, its like my main alt i always play on every extension

[hollow river]

Ahh

It won’t really matter then tbh

Whatever you like

It won’t really matter then tbh

[runic dove]

i mean i won't do keys higher than 18 with the rogue i think, so it won't matter much

[hollow river]

Mhmm

[fallen arch]

And its on cloak

So its really not worth breaking your head over

[runic dove]

Yeah i'll go crit haste then, not gonna think too much about it

ty boys

[hollow river]

[slim pebble]

Happy Edge of Night day boys and gals

[misty holly]

or a 252 phial 🙏

[pure walrus]

any body knows how to make rogue combo points appear on top of the enemy hp bar? is there a weak aura for it? im using platter if that helps

[lavish lichen]

Its under general Im pretty sure

It says show resources

[slim pebble]

I got mine last week. I either need shadowgrasp or edge this week. Please blizzard

[pure walrus]

thank you, do you mind showing me an SS of it?

[lavish lichen]

Im not home so I cant

[pure walrus]

i think i found it

appreciate your help!

[limber lion]

Yeah it should be under general, the first tab that pops up when you type /plater. Feel free to tag me with plater questions, as I've played with it quite a bit when making my profile.

[glass tulip]

I opened my DH's vault first to get my bad luck out of the way for a dagger drop 🤣

[brazen zodiac]

i got 252 rem dagger papa bless

now im def never gettin the sylv dagger :)

[proper pendant]

no fucking loot

a 252 helm

shit game

[manic pebble]

Finally

[misty holly]

I got crap again, as usual 😦

My first 2 great vaults of 9.1 were rings... and the game has continued to give me rings every week for 3 months now.

[bleak sky]

I got 3 bis tokens pog

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[misty holly]

The tokens were a nice consolation when Korthite was selling for 2k each. Not when it's selling for 100g.

[burnt star]

I still havent seen a single 252 dagger or even a heroic sylv dagger yet

Love the rng

When a single 246>252 weapon upgrade give me more dps then a 233>252 armor upgrade

:(

[slim pebble]

Yeah I’m 0/15 on sylv dagger so far

[burnt star]

I just want a 252 mh

Man

Its 130 dps increase

:(

[misty holly]

We have 2 rogues killing heroic sylvanas havent seen a dagger drop or in our vaults yet.

Until 2 weeks ago someone brought their alt to raid. He got dagger ><

I've seen 4 sylvanas rings now.

It's a good ring... but I dont even use it because I have my pick of 252 rings from the M+ vault every damn week.

[slim pebble]

The ring is the only loot drop I’ve gotten from her. Never seen a dagger even drop

[alpine latch]

Ugh .. I'm considering just going all-in on Unholy on my alt

Weeks later, no Frost shard Dom socket yet

It's just Shoulders and Painsmith pants, right?

[solid venture]

week 1 aotc and currently progressing mythic sylv... still no 252 mh or sylv dagger

lovely game

[alpine latch]

My alt got EoN before my main and got a 252 dagger as wel

I feel your pain Link

[solid venture]

game's rigged

[alpine latch]

Freaking alt

If it weren't for Dom sockets my alt would be better geared than my main

She doesn't have the Embers to push her damage

And pugging on Alliance is super difficult

[sly yoke]

any frost set crit enjoyers (just got the ring and this crit is looking scary)

[rocky pecan]

49% still no crit admit it

[silk thunder]

Still get trolled by 10% crit on procs 😉

[obsidian aurora]

dang 49, i'm at 41 and thinking i should stack haster

[sly yoke]

crit all the way

https://tenor.com/view/gbf-zephyrus-zephium-gif-20336716

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cggSQ48FrjdAZWCXRns8JN yea this is too much crip lmao

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mx4HFZknfGigzZuaRvRkQj

maybe when I get a socket for it it will be better

[dark jewel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4q9yvNJtA8c2LsoZNoLJtL obedience mfd enjoyers

[sly yoke]

fake venth dam

[alpine latch]

I'm still surprised they haven't upped the amount of Embers you get every week

It's a pain in the ass gearing alts

[silk thunder]

Indeed. Catch up mech for alts plz

[arctic hare]

Yeah

I need more embers for my main lol

[alpine latch]

I do what I can in raid on my alt, but I'm like 5-6 weeks per rank 5 at this point

Pugging on Alliance is super sketch

[drifting imp]

I started an alt this week, Hit lvl 60 ans I just realized how much shit you need to get... Conduits, campaign, legendary memory... I immediately lost my motivation to play my alt

[silk thunder]

Alliance pugs are painful. I don't even try Fate anymore

[tropic ocean]

just wait for 9.1.5

and ez

[drifting imp]

I will still need to farm these shitty conduits

[tropic ocean]

not really

with korthia rep buff u just buy conduit upgrade and it give u the conduit u dont have

at 145

[sly yoke]

doing necro campaign for the 3rd time feels so fkt

[lavish lichen]

Im going to be doing it for a 3rd time thid week too

Its whack asf

[drifting imp]

Just got flashbags to my monk where I got to run theatre of pain 10 times to get one of the best conduits

[grand ridge]

Tfw every piece of gear has crit on it

[sly yoke]

first kt kill with lvl 5 frost a week ago, still 100 parse even tho it's private log

[viscid spear]

Dashing on Cloak, right?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[sly yoke]

yes

[tropic ocean]

the parse will always stay 100

but your rank changes, as of now your kt parse is r4

[burnt star]

another week

still no 252 dagger

x-x

[sly yoke]

not if you private log, it will go down if someone did more dam

[tropic ocean]

?

[whole pilot]

It only goes down if your log doesn’t maintain r1 for 24 hours

[tropic ocean]

your rank % shouldnt change unless someone takes your rank 1 before daily reset

i still have r1s from months ago

[lavish lichen]

Yea the % doesnt change

[sly yoke]

pog then

did not knew that

[fallen arch]

Its a snapshot of that moment

[fallen arch]

Wouldn’t be fair otherwise

[tropic ocean]

they don't take them away from you, if they were r1 on daily reset

[lavish lichen]

R1 isnt really the correct term

You lose rank 1

[tropic ocean]

it was rank 1 at the time

[lavish lichen]

You don’t lose the % parse

Right

[sly yoke]

I see how it is now

[lavish lichen]

Its also weird

Your parse % isn’t actually the exact %

[tropic ocean]

its the % at the time it was created

[lavish lichen]

Nah like they get all the logs and parse and pick say 10k is 100% and 5k is 50%

And if you get say 8k you’ll get an 80

[tropic ocean]

no 100% is r1

until wcl update

if theres 1 log of ur spec you're 100% r1 too

[lavish lichen]

We are talking about different things

What I’m saying is for rankings

[sly yoke]

I wish they would add non pi section

[lavish lichen]

They don’t parse through EVERY individual log, the basically make a bench mark for each %

[tropic ocean]

not sure thats accurate

[lavish lichen]

It is

Ill find you a link now

It’s explained on their pge

https://gyazo.com/aaa49e12e5b25064971c773e82e06882

[tropic ocean]

is exactly what I said but has nothing to do with them not going over every log

😄

[lavish lichen]

It doesn’t store the exact position for every log

Is what I was saying

I agree with out historical scores work

I’m not arguing that

[tropic ocean]

yeah but that doesnt matter for r1 😛

[lavish lichen]

Yea I know that’s why I said this

[lavish lichen]

^

[sly yoke]

anyone got the chart of dmg % from powers on Tarragrue?

[tender wing]

got a 252 IQD in vault. Whats the consensus on that trinket?

Already have 252 phial and 239 fusion amplifier

[slim pebble]

For me it’s a minimal upgrade over 239 fusion. Like 1 dps and is harder to optimally use

[rose ermine]

Hows that new legendary feel?

Gives you SB as Assass.

[limpid willow]

Honestly loot is so weird. I've gotten all my weapons this tier from the vault. Haven't seen a single one in raid.

[sly yoke]

Have not seen a single painsmith weapon drop

[manic pebble]

Can Syl dagger get bonus stats?

[limpid willow]

233 EON? Vault 246 EON? Vault. 239 vein ripper?, vault.

[manic pebble]

like leech, avoidance

[sly yoke]

No

I think it can be indestructible

[manic pebble]

what about socket?

[drowsy parcel]

it can

i have a leech one

[sly yoke]

No sockets on weapons

[manic pebble]

ah

another reason to grind syl then

[limpid willow]

Speed would be nice

[manic pebble]

ty

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

But how does it feel

[balmy condor]

Feels terrible cause you do ww damage single target

[spice spire]

[kind talon]

Ww damage!!!

[sly yoke]

No cap my 235 ww is doing 50k with 1 proc in keys

[viscid spear]

WW has damage?

[sly yoke]

But yea ww st

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[viscid spear]

Only a 235 and 262 vessel in the AH, would it be insane to craft a rank 6 Dashing?

Was sorta hoping for a rank 5 but I'll just do R4 just so I can have it

Not sure what I should upgrade past 4 though

[ebon notch]

why would it be insane

dashing is bis rn in raids

[wide ridge]

who crafts rank 5 leggos tho

[kind talon]

???????

[wide ridge]

either 4 or 6

[kind talon]

My guy it’s obedience now

[ebon notch]

i mean obed still doesnt outsim for me

so

not always the case

[kind talon]

Yeah but you can’t say dashing is bis when obedience outperforms it for many profiles

[viscid spear]

Well I have every FotM leggo so far besides Dashing, and I'll have that in a minute oncee I go see Primus' emaciated ghost form

[kind talon]

Good shit

Dashing is quite good

[viscid spear]

use a 252 conduit upgrade, it chooses Katar

[kind talon]

Although dashing would get increased value from resets that obedience wouldn’t get

[wide ridge]

btw, how many flag stacks are we 'supposed' to get otuside of lust/vendetta windows with mfd? i cant ever get 30

maybe i suck

[viscid spear]

Oh well, better upgrade my Frostyboi Sharderinos to 5

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

It hurt me typing that

[kind talon]

Most times in raid mfd resets come up outside of your flag windows

Painsmith balls and stuff

And more envenoms is increased dashing value

Except on like KT there it would just be pogga

[drowsy parcel]

you spelled doomblade wrong

[kind talon]

Yes sir sorry sir 🙇‍♂️

[drowsy parcel]

🙇‍♂️

[kind talon]

That’s true tho

[hushed dirge]

I have to choose between the 246 Dom socket shoulders and the edge of night from my vault. God dammit.

[timid cloud]

That should be an easy one.

You take dagger because any other leather can trade you the shoulders. Only another rogue could trade you daggers.

[sudden canyon]

252 ring obv

crit vers

duh

[hushed dirge]

Yeah I am fine on rings.

Stats wise

[timid cloud]

You take the Sylv ring / PF ring anyways, it has more critty than the 252 crit / verse rings IIRC.

[quaint carbon]

Daggers don’t even need to think

[sudden canyon]

bro

now way this mans isnt just flexxin on the haters

[hushed dirge]

I am looking for the PF ring

[sudden canyon]

why yall answering srsly

[timid cloud]

Because it’s text & there’s no obvious contextual clue that points it out to be said that way, so it’s better to accept it at face value & be corrected later.

[hushed dirge]

The one time I got the Sylvanas ring as one of my vault options, I got a 252 Off-Spec Outlaw weapon.

The ring had leech too.

[timid cloud]

Oofies.

[limber swallow]

all downgrades.. anyone want a dagger?

[kind talon]

Yo

[sudden canyon]

open trade

[kind talon]

Lemme get one

[sudden canyon]

in oribos

[timid cloud]

RIP, need daggys.

[limber swallow]

the great vault is better than the rando-box from BFA, but man... I kinda wish they'd just give us 252 slot tokens so at least I could say "I really need a trinket" and get a random option

[burnt star]

I would pick any 252 weapon rodl

Its the only loot that matter

All the other. U get from raid

[limber swallow]

yep, and I got lucky and got mine early... but my bracers suck, my boots suck, my belt sucks... I wouldn't mind a 252 IQD or shadowgrasp..

some of us don't raid

[timid cloud]

Won’t catch me dead using an IQD in a dungeon.

[burnt star]

The differenfe between 239- 246 -252 armor piece is negligeable btw

[hushed dirge]

I would like to get the PF ring and Phial

[burnt star]

As oppose to a 246>252 mh dagger

[hollow river]

[hushed dirge]

252 weapon is always worth it unless you are getting the 259 dagger from Sylvanas.

[hollow river]

Considering better stats and high ilvl I disagree

[burnt star]

The stats is what matter

[hollow river]

Obviously dagger more important

[burnt star]

Did u sim 252?

[hollow river]

But armor is important too

[burnt star]

Like if u have a good stat 236 u wont get 120 dps by upgrading it to a 246

[fallen arch]

And then get infinite ocarina’s?

[burnt star]

And if u 246 it. The difd from 246 252 is negligeable

[hollow river]

Nah

[timid cloud]

The only ones I’d debate that are nearly equal are big stat pieces, like Legs, Head, & Chest (edit:To weapons)

[hollow river]

50-100 dps isn’t negligible

[burnt star]

U dont get 100 dps by changing a good stat piece 6 ilvl

Only dagher provide as much

[hollow river]

20/30 dps is “negligible” and to some even that isn’t

[burnt star]

Do a m+ 252 drop optimiser. U will see

Unless u have a shitty stat 236 piece

[hollow river]

I’ve literally done it before

But ok

[burnt star]

Refer to the bad stat item comment

But ok

[limber swallow]

I had a 226 belt equipped until yesterday.. my ivll is 249.5

[hollow river]

You can’t speak only from your experience. Everyone’s sims are different.

[limber swallow]

rando loot and bad luck make things hard..

[hollow river]

You already have 252 daggies?

[limber swallow]

yep, my loot at the beginning of the season was amazing

[hollow river]

Lucky

[limber swallow]

agreed, and now I'd love a way to continue the progress. I was fortunate, week 1 dagger, week 2 phial, week 4 2nd dagger. That said, it's sad that other people are STILL trying to get daggers, phials or whatever because you cannot target the thing you need.

[hushed dirge]

That is so good of a roll.

[grand ridge]

i have a 252 phial and a 220 dagger

[hushed dirge]

Ouch

[limber swallow]

I didn't see a single dagger all last season

[hushed dirge]

Not even dagger drops from keys?

[grand ridge]

yep

I am sitting on valor to upgrade

and my guild will often pick keys based on me begging on doing the ones with daggers

though I will say we don't do a ton of keys

[hushed dirge]

I have had 3 dagger drops, and the last one I got was a direct upgrade from the one I was wearing because it had leech.

[grand ridge]

if I sat down and ran like plaguefall 8 times I am sure I could get one

[wintry mica]

PF dagger doesnt exist

[hushed dirge]

Just run keys that drop daggers.

[grand ridge]

or necrotic wake

[hushed dirge]

Mists

SD

[grand ridge]

I like the ones with crit

[hushed dirge]

I have doing a key only build where I have low crit but gain it from the anima powers.

[hollow river]

I got the one with crit mastery

I want 0 mas for the memes

[grand ridge]

so nw/pf are the ones I usually push to do

[hushed dirge]

I get double my crit from the powers.

Mists is the fastest to do.

[limber swallow]

almost never run double crit in M+.
Depends on the week, but I usually go crit / necrotic or crit / volcanic

[hushed dirge]

Its just for what I have currently.

[limber swallow]

how low is your crit?

[hushed dirge]

420 with the key build

Goes to 840 with the powers.

Its higher on my raid build.

[limber swallow]

so 840 is like what 35%?

[cerulean nest]

so i had my shiv conduit at 252 already, it got empowered today with renown, sim stayed exactly the same

what?

[hushed dirge]

I think sim doesn't account for empowered bonus.

[cerulean nest]

oh really?

[spice spire]

It does

Or should

[hushed dirge]

I think the sim is not showing your empower for the current week.

You might want to sim it again in a day or 2.

[hollow river]

It should already be simming the empowered iirc

[violet jackal]

back to back I got maxed out upgrades of Mythic+ gear that I was wearing am i secretly a god? 🤔

[hushed dirge]

Took the dagger

My 17 key from the vault is a DoS key.

[cerulean nest]

well since my sim didnt change at all with my second best conduit being empowered, id imagine i might need to resim in a day or two

[violet jackal]

if you take the input from SimC it will sim with empowered conduit

[cerulean nest]

i did

unempowered:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4bYjtkscTxNfi9bZpjpYu4

empowered:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jRbSgv6qPmXtd2Vtpw4JyS

[violet jackal]

o.O?

[spice spire]

[fallen arch]

Minus 2 dps pog

[cerulean nest]

yeah someone pls explain lol

[violet jackal]

If you need clarification, last week I hit 252 arachnid ring from the vault and this week I hit 252 shattered belt. Which both were essentially the ONLY items that would be an upgrade for me

[fallen arch]

I take it they were in the ‘complete 1 dungeon’ slot too?

[limber swallow]

I want that belt.

[violet jackal]

nah i'm psychopath, I do 10 15s a week since week 1

[fallen arch]

Ye same

But the game seems to favor playing somehow

As all my best upgrades are always, no exceptions, in slot 1

So in the kill 3 bosses/ 1 dungeon slots

[spice spire]

I just enjoy responding to your things. No clarification necessary 😛

[harsh lantern]

Pog

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-finally-rest-watch-sunrise-grateful-universe-gif-14058636

[subtle tundra]

1 screenshot please

[oak sky]

first catalogued research of the patch

[harsh lantern]

damn

I’m 3x

[slim pebble]

My SO checks for me at work and doesn’t know how to screenshot 😅

[limber swallow]

start menu, type snip

[visual prairie]

is the armory down or was my account hacked and character deleted?

[slim pebble]

Teaching her to log in and check the vault was enough 😅

[limber swallow]

my wife would just tell me to do it myself...

[drowsy parcel]

win+shift+s gang

[slim pebble]

[fleet atlas]

Well looks like my raid team is falling apart and might be done for the tier.... and I never even got a dagger....

[ebon notch]

you EU?

[fleet atlas]

Naw na

[spice spire]

Too real for daps

Did you all down sylv before the break up?

[oak sky]

Bro daps did

The legend himself

[spice spire]

Let’s fucking go

[fleet atlas]

Nah we still stuck at the painsmith wall. We haven't had actual prog in like a month tho cause of absences

[oak sky]

Oof

Hope u find a new guild

[fleet atlas]

Ya idk I might just join a heroic prog guild to inflate my epeen for the rest of the tier

[spice spire]

Same homie

[oak sky]

Heroic prog sounds really slow when youve already done like half of mythic

[spice spire]

Heroic prog is definitely way low

[oak sky]

But whatever makes you happy king

[spice spire]

Inflating would be hopping to a lower guild imo

But ag is right. Always do what you think is best

[fleet atlas]

Ya I'd probably get bored pretty quick. I just think it would be fun to pull considerably higher dps than my entire raid team for a bit lol.

[oak sky]

Could always do that in mythic 👀

[spice spire]

Yeah just do it in mythic 😛

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

True

Should have @ Cev

[fleet atlas]

I mean I am top dps on my mythic team but it's not by a huge margin

[oak sky]

Now join an even better one qnd do it again

[fallen arch]

That gets boring really quickly, just saying

Cause usually people with bad dps also suck at mechanics

[balmy condor]

we should make an aotc guild together

[fleet atlas]

Ya now I think of it it would also be pretty hard to parse. My goal was to be top 100 all star sin rogues for heroic at some point so I guess I need to join another mythic team that can blast heroic

[fallen arch]

For that I’d suggest getting into boost runs

If you can get in

[fleet atlas]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/proudmoore/hwaryeon#difficulty=4 my heroic logs. Nothing crazy compared to lots of ppl in here but they are alright

[violet jackal]

you won't get the parses your looking for in a boost run, trust me I know

[fallen arch]

Eh

Ppl in here probably beg to differ

[oak sky]

You literally will though

Daps and cev

[misty holly]

How do you parse so well on KT and sylvanas? I find it impossible to get over 30s on them.

[fallen arch]

Faster kill times

[oak sky]

30 is pretty low, might indicate some rotational mistakes

Those are very solid maz

[fallen arch]

Hard to say for those fights

[fallen arch]

This should suffice for some communities

[frigid kestrel]

How do you even get into boost runs?

Curious

[fallen arch]

Join a boosting community

Which you get into with already good logs/high rio

[violet jackal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pm7xDXFhqLKZW8d1 this is from a full clear carry run, too many people are just blasting ahead of me to get the 99s and 100s i wanted T_T

[oak sky]

On most of these fights other people blasting is better tbh

[fallen arch]

Yea, what’s your point?

I mean sometimes u get scuffed kill times which isn’t great for cd usage. But in slow kills that’s even a bigger problems

[spice condor]

Soulrender is impossible to parse in my guild on mythic. 2 monks, 2 hunters, 2 boomies, and a warrior. Adds insta die so I can't get some pad in.

[oak sky]

Yeah soulrender sucks to parse on

[spice condor]

That's about the only fight other than if you are stuck going down where I feel like I literally can't do anything to increase my parse much

On KT

[fleet atlas]

Lol soulrender is my only 99 for heroic rn

[spice spire]

Kt doesn’t matter outside of ego

Well

[fallen arch]

Ask em to chill a bit on the adds

[spice spire]

I guess all of it is ego

[grand ridge]

Fatescribe too

[fallen arch]

Which they probably wont

[oak sky]

Fatescribe is an rng parse

[spice condor]

Fatescribe yeah, you just pray for rngesus to not give you rings.

Or mechanics in general

[grand ridge]

The eyeball boss too

[oak sky]

And on mythic grim portent

[fleet atlas]

@oak sky just ignore ur assignment and hope one of the backups gets it. Easy

[oak sky]

Works for heroic for sure

Haha

But a lot of people blow up the add which ruins your parse

[strange python]

How many flag stacks are y'all getting with mfd outside of haste windows?

Feel like I'm usually hitting 24/25

[oak sky]

Depends kinda

[strange python]

I hit 29 every lust but that's not repeatable obv

[oak sky]

I feel like 28-30 depending how crits go is good in lust

Ur probably good with 24 or 25 though

Outside lust

[alpine latch]

Can I join?

[balmy condor]

no, washed up method players only

[alpine latch]

😢

[fallen arch]

Stack 25 rogues

[alpine latch]

EZ

Just evasion-swap

[fleet atlas]

Imagine if every dps could just feint every raid damage mech.... who needs shit like rallying, darkness, ect

[oak sky]

ill be a washed up method player

[slim pebble]

What if you’re just washed up

[oak sky]

true

i guess the method part would be an upgrade

for all of us

except cev

[kind talon]

true

[alpine latch]

Not sure James would really see it as an upgrade either

lol

[hollow river]

You’re a washed up method player?

[balmy condor]

lul

[hollow river]

Whispyr eu parse lord when?

[peak bobcat]

Cev has taken that duty

[hollow river]

Ik but like

Whispyr could be next, ya never know

200 ping gameplay

[gusty mirage]

default spell queue would be perfect

[arctic hare]

I love when the sim is saying that a 252 trailspinner pendant is better than a loyal kvaldir's handwraps

[oak sky]

do you have socket hands already?

[arctic hare]

Oh, its saying that it can't generate a combination with the hands, that explains a lot

I do have socket hands

but this new one is 239 over my 226

Its still saying that it can't make a combination with the hands, i don't even know why

[gusty mirage]

do you have dom shards picked & "replace gems" selected?

[arctic hare]

Just put that on yeah

Thereeeeeee we go

[gusty mirage]

that should fix it

this dom shard shit made simming such a pain in the ass

[arctic hare]

Yeah lol

K, simming already lol

I bet the better hands which are a direct upgrade to mine are better than the stupid neck

Annnnnnnnd I was correct

[glass tulip]

What potency conduits are you boys using these days

I still have lashing scars and well-placed steel

[gusty mirage]

that's what I'm using rn

[vestal zodiac]

whats the best way to maximise ball damage on painsmith?

[oak sky]

same

[vestal zodiac]

it feels really fucking scuffed to swap

[gusty mirage]

fok -> dump envenoms

[glass tulip]

You shouldnt really be doing ball damage

not your job

[oak sky]

on mythic you sometimes should be

[gusty mirage]

^

[glass tulip]

sometimes

[gusty mirage]

esp during p2 and p3

[oak sky]

mostly in p3

[gusty mirage]

it helps to kill em quicker

[glass tulip]

but yeah what oxi said

[oak sky]

in p1 and p2 i would probably just drop a rupture

[glass tulip]

I just dump into boss because im a douchebag

[gusty mirage]

esp when you have a shadow priest doing less damage than a holy pally to the balls

[oak sky]

but in p3 you drop it all

[vestal zodiac]

we started prog tonight

[lunar elm]

does obe have a cdr cap

[vestal zodiac]

double bm doing 0 damage to balls

maybe

[arctic hare]

I am now 238 ilvl

[oak sky]

you end up with more ball funnel if you mutilate i think

[lunar elm]

im guessing it follows with the stack cap how 30s redu

[glass tulip]

not that im aware of but good luck getting higher than 30 during a lust phase

[oak sky]

vs fok envenom

[glass tulip]

I average 24-28

without lust

[gusty mirage]

I was doing pain with like 47% crit so fok was good to me

[lunar elm]

i mean im playing sub for testign

[gusty mirage]

[lunar elm]

and i can get my flag down to 25s

[glass tulip]

D:

[lunar elm]

idk how

[glass tulip]

how are you spending 60 points in 12 seconds 🤣

[lunar elm]

30s cdr with 24s of flag being up

[subtle tundra]

????????????

[lunar elm]

idk

im really comfused

[subtle tundra]

then its 1 min cd

[glass tulip]

yeah

[lunar elm]

when my buff falls off its on 25s cd

[subtle tundra]

but... its still 1 min between uses

bro

[glass tulip]

smh

thought this guy was just a god among men

turns out he cant count

[oak sky]

you cant go past 30 stacks

either way

[quasi venture]

[hollow river]

Don’t be flamin’ ma homie

[drifting cloud]

cdr goes above 30s

but yeah gl as assa

[hollow river]

He said he was testing sub

Was just curious about how the CDR worked

[lunar elm]

yea i prefer sub in certain dungeon and wanted to see how low i could get the cdr

feels like the stacks cap at 30 for flag and the vers but cdr can go above i think

im not no pro so feel free to let me know if this correct or nah

[oak sky]

dont think thats true

[hollow river]

Idk Rylar said it goes above

Idk enough about it to speak on it tbh

[oak sky]

we might need a tc

[slow marsh]

I mean cdr going above 30 doesn't really matter anywyaa

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

You're not going to get it below 1 min by enough to get an extra cast so you'll end up holding it for vendetta anyways

[balmy condor]

the max cdr you can get is
flag -> 6 -> tornado -> 12 -> 18 -> 24 -> 30 -> spin -> 36 -> spin -> 42 -> spin -> 48

[oak sky]

so you can get more than 30

[hollow river]

He said he’s playing sub in dungeons. Just asking about flag in general

[balmy condor]

yes of course

[oak sky]

ok

[balmy condor]

obedience cdr is every cp spent

[slow marsh]

Ah ok well

[balmy condor]

regardless of stacks

[lunar elm]

yea the sub chat completely ignored my question

decided to ask the assass chads

[slow marsh]

Makes sense. Our channel is bis

[lunar elm]

ty whisp

it really is

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

i figured sub and outlaw had good answering people too

[balmy condor]

sub has me

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

but I don't got time to read every message in 2 channels all the time

[vestal wren]

sub has me too 😛

[balmy condor]

my eyes cross

[oak sky]

we try to cover what we can over here for you

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

[lunar elm]

whisp just prefers the assass chads over the sub andys lets be real

[hollow river]

Damn left fuu out

[slow marsh]

Whisp is a sub andy

[lunar elm]

oh

[slow marsh]

[oak sky]

just wait until the assassination tier set

he'll be back

[halcyon zealot]

outlaw

[hollow river]

Yeah whispyr left us sin gamers behind this tier

😢

[vestal wren]

i don't think that assassination is any bad rn

[lunar elm]

yea imagine playing outlaw :/

[balmy condor]

just you wait till my frost set isn't rank 3

[slow marsh]

Yeah no it's not bad, just the other two specs have a little edge in their respective niches

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

sin is great in raid

[hollow river]

My blood set is almost r5

[oak sky]

rn

[hollow river]

[lunar elm]

my blood set is r1

giga dam

[slow marsh]

Well next time don't be a troll and upgrade blood to 5

[balmy condor]

bruh I've made so many mistakes

[vestal wren]

outlaw niche? i thought m+ was sub now 😛

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

I'm tier 5 archivist

[lunar elm]

isnt outlaw bis st if venthyr and rng on their side

[balmy condor]

my heirmir looks like this

it's a fucking mess man

[soft shale]

a lot of interesting choices

[slow marsh]

Hahahaha

But hey at least you are shadowblade right

[soft shale]

he went in dyz deep

[balmy condor]

I'm rank 5 blood, dyz, cor

damage gems done

[slow marsh]

Still not at good as sub I think but better than sin

[drifting cloud]

slacking on embers whispyr??

[oak sky]

right now i think damage in st is good for all 3

just looking at logs

[lunar elm]

my heirmir

poopoo

i thought sub was UH for the longest time

[balmy condor]

yeah I think you should bring me to your mythic reclear so I can get some more embers man

on second thought though, maybe I can find someone that can actually reclear

[drifting cloud]

[oak sky]

who else is extendo gang

[balmy condor]

fatescribe die today

[halcyon zealot]

same hopefully

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

You guys really already about to kill Fate?

We barely started for an hr last week so probably won’t die until tomorrow or Thursday :/

[alpine latch]

I really need to find a better guild 😢

We're 1/10M

Pugs on A52 are 3/10

[strange python]

Where are the latest bis suns?

Sims

[hollow river]

Try checking the FAQ channels but they are only useful for seeing around where the spec should be with late tier gear.

They aren’t necessarily “bis” sims.

[brazen zodiac]

at least black

got the dagger :(

[strange python]

There are bis sims, most recently we had one pinned after the set bonus changes

Don’t see it in the pins anymore though

Basically just a breakdown of highest simming builds.

[gusty mirage]

don't worry you have @spice spire here

[upbeat needle]

what max renown this week

[strange python]

It was in the faq - https://bit.ly/3yX1GQc

[hollow river]

Yeah

Those are only meant to compare the specs and their shard sets

[strange python]

Yes that’s what I’m looking for

[hollow river]

Ah 👌

Shard set sims then, instead of “bis” and I would’ve understood xD

[spice spire]

hate this tho

[spice spire]

74

[slow marsh]

I used to be in here 24/7

Prolly better now that I just dip in and out

[lunar elm]

dude extendo on painsmith is giga

boring

but good news is

i got arachnid cipher ring

[ruby oyster]

my guild just decided to extend painsmith while im still missing 5 items from previous bosses :C

[lunar elm]

i left a guild that was 4/10 to join a painsmith prog guild

never got to kill soulrender and i think they are extending forever

so really got no chance at it

yio @hollow river is ur guild recruiting?

[hollow river]

Hahaha

[lunar elm]

make a comeback to arthas

[hollow river]

I will talk to them ❤️

I don’t think we would trial another rogue during our extendo prog tho

Ngl

[lunar elm]

what about rsham

or lock

[hollow river]

Once we get to reclear, or if we save lock out on an alt one week and reclear before CE

How geared?

Rsham idk because we have two

[lunar elm]

gear isnt a problem if i get recruited for a certain chara i can gear pretty quick

[hollow river]

I will ask for sure

I just don’t know if we’d take a trial during extendo

Until reclear

I have to find out

[humble kayak]

anyone know softcap for haste? currently chilling at 915 and worried trinkets/buffs might put me over

[hollow river]

We really need hpal. Maybe a boomie?

[lunar elm]

nf boomie or venth?

cuz my boomie going nf

[hollow river]

We need ww desperately

[lunar elm]

i got a nec ww

[hollow river]

Other rogue been gearing a ww

[lunar elm]

ww is pretty easy to gear

rbgs ftw

[hollow river]

But he’s not brought it to prog and we’re done reclearing for a bit so idk what the deal is with his ww

[lunar elm]

if sub should i run edge of night in main hand or whatever is highest ilvl

[hollow river]

It’s fully heroic geared and a couple mythic pieces but I think he might need more practice? No idea

[hollow river]

Ilvl

It procs the same in OH

[lunar elm]

okok

[wraith mantle]

Question, i dont know what im doing wrong on my sin rogue in dungeons i run the talents that the faq said to take and running the conduits that the wowhead guide said to take and im using the zoldyack insiga leggo yet i can barely do 3k dps on my 226 sin rogue (played him at start of 9.0 but switched to dk since solo content as rogue is a pain but now switching back since it has gear now and having fun) i think it might be my rotation but im just keeping garote up on as many targets as i can, rupture up on as many as i can and pooling energy for enevenom shiv spam on st

[balmy condor]

Hard to tell just from that but I would assume it’s a mix of playing wrong and doing low dungeons where stuff dies instantly

[slow marsh]

Also

Karma

For swapping to dk

[brazen zodiac]

hi ice

[slow marsh]

[wraith mantle]

well tbh it was me swapping FROM dk to rogue, then BACK to dk

[brazen zodiac]

i invited black to a rogue run for sylv and he got the dagger

all i got was 500 anima and bullied :(

[slow marsh]

Ah rip

I am still hunting for dagger too

[wraith mantle]

dont like the direction dk is going though with bos being the only playstyle for 6 years now for frost, and unholy's main damage niche only does 600 damage (no joke actual numbers) and our pet that was supposed to be there as filler while we wait for runes is number 1 damage so i jumped ship and like the playstyle of sin and sub

[brazen zodiac]

just gonna eat more pasta and cry

[slow marsh]

Hahaha yeah well same here

[slow marsh]

Oblit is perfectly fine right now though. Seems like you just need to stick with something long enough to get decent gear

[wraith mantle]

in st its like 3% behind bos and in aoe its WAY worse dk is 243 geared with good stats and i have been playing dk since cata. Though rogue always looked fun espically in pvp where unholy is struggling a bit with the kill fast meta

[hollow river]

So is dk sleeper?

[slow marsh]

Kinda not really

UH is sleeper I think

[hollow river]

Bro frost dk is tearing pvp up rn

From what I’ve seen

[wraith mantle]

yeah frost is nuts in pvp unholy is just to long to do ramp up

[hollow river]

Right right

[wraith mantle]

takes 8 button presses to even begin to attack the enemy

[hollow river]

O.o

[wraith mantle]

Abom, then blight, then DT, then 2 festers, into apoc, then dump rp then you can play

or something along those lines i dont pvp much though a friend is always trying to teach me

[hollow river]

Idk just the fact that people say dk is like the slowest moving in the game always made me wanna stay away

Ik it can’t be slowed past a certain point but meh

[wraith mantle]

yeah its really slow waiting 6 seconds for a rune

oh that type of slow

[hollow river]

Oh I meant movement

[wraith mantle]

yeah when i asked blood dk's how they kite they said speed pots and pray it dies before you have to kite

[safe barn]

does our droptmizer uses a different apl?

or something like that?

[hollow river]

Are there still speed pots in shadowlands?

[wraith mantle]

i know nitro boots from wrath still work so thats what i have been using

[hollow river]

In keys?

[slow marsh]

No why

[wraith mantle]

yep

[hollow river]

Weird I heard none of that old stuff worked in keys

Like gun shoes

[wraith mantle]

its a enchanment on your belt

same reason why the pop up thief thing worked

[safe barn]

i might be using this wrong then

[slow marsh]

Double check your sim settings

[hollow river]

I see

[wraith mantle]

only issue is, it has a chance to backfire and give you a dot that takes you down to 25% health unless if you use a defensive

[hollow river]

Yeah that sounds no bueno

[wraith mantle]

do we use ambush or mutilate while in stealth?

[lavish lichen]

Mut

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[lavish lichen]

Oops

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[slow marsh]

Only ambush on blindside procs

[wraith mantle]

k

[hollow river]

now is the important question

i killed 7/10 M last week, and don't need another dagger atm. and am extending for the foreseeable future.

i think we open as outlaw for chance at M vein ripper?

off but then we could get a shitty regular outlaw wep we don't need

decisions, decisions

[placid dawn]

outlaw will still be capped at 5 targets right?

just play sub and spam 2 buttons, no worries

[hollow river]

i like outlaw in some keys

and wouldn't be opposed to trying outlaw in raid either

though i think ill just do sin loot spec for a better chance at a piece of armor or guardian trinket

since we're extending fate/kt/sylv i don't see myself trying outlaw in raid anytime soon

[viscid spear]

Imagine playing Outlaw in the current game.

[hollow river]

outlaw does just as much dmg what u mean

[boreal whale]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[wraith mantle]

wait your telling me there is another site for rogues that isnt wowhead or icyveins?!

[balmy condor]

ravenholdt is our website

it doesn't have anything Icyveins/Wowhead doesn't

but it's there

[upper trout]

do crits from shadow oil add to frosty winds?

[strange python]

Painsmith: prio MFD on shiv vanish? Or hold for reset on ball.

[balmy condor]

get the reset

[balmy condor]

yes

[viscid spear]

You're telling me you don't use your Scroll of Teleport: Ravenholdt before you log out each day?

[frosty cobalt]

my sim is saying go double sinful rev on both daggers...is that correct?

[plain thistle]

weapon enchant are pretty close, so double sinful is not something odd at all

[frosty cobalt]

ok thanks

[viscid spear]

Sinful is far cheaper now than it used to be

[ebon notch]

if i change loot spec

just before opening vault

does it change properly?

or do i have to do it before reset or smth

[oak sky]

It should tell you

In the spell

Castbar

[ebon notch]

wait rly

[oak sky]

Generating loot for:

[ebon notch]

sick

ill check

i think sub is the wave

to get daggers

more stabby

[oak sky]

[ebon notch]

if i get a dagger you have to draw copium on a piece of paper

and eat it

[sinful flicker]

@balmy condor hey whispyr, if I only killed the first 3 bosses every week in mythic and nothing more, will I have a change to get a mythic guardian trinket in my 252 raid slot for the vault?

[balmy condor]

have you killed mythic guardian at least once?

[sinful flicker]

No

[balmy condor]

then no

[sinful flicker]

Gotcha. Thanks <3

[balmy condor]

Kill boss once -> enters your vault loot pool

any slot you unlock then can drop any item from your pool

so if you go 9/10 Mythic, and get 3 mythic pieces, you won't get sylv stuff

if you then kill sylv

and kill 3 bosses

that slot can drop sylv

[drifting cloud]

you doing zerg strat on fate whispyr?

[sinful flicker]

Got it! Just wondering. Wasn't too sure

[balmy condor]

so in theory you could 10/10, then do first 3 mythic every week for the rest of the tier

and get a sylv dagger

[sinful flicker]

Gotcha gotcha

[balmy condor]

I mean we're doing something

[drifting cloud]

what does that mean, have you barely pulled him or? 😛

[balmy condor]

we've limped into second intermission

but idk what the zerg strat is

we're just kinda nuking and if we can't skip tank add, we hold

[drifting cloud]

its where you kill him in p3 without doing runes

[balmy condor]

oh

I think planned is 1 rune

[drifting cloud]

its not even some insane dps check or anything ive seen r1k guilds do it on prog last time I checked like 2-3 weeks ago

[balmy condor]

but have you seen r1.5k guilds do it

[drifting cloud]

we can check

[balmy condor]

nah our damage should be okay

I think we're planning to do 1 rune just for safety

but dps wise we should be there

[drifting cloud]

wait you got triple boomie and are 4 healing

almost seems like a waste to not do it

oh 1 is feral, and even 3x venthyr pala, the boss would just melt

[viscid spear]

I'm doing H Sylvie right now, if I get a dagger I'll do that

[balmy condor]

yeh

we're stacked

[unborn root]

stupid question, do you still run lashing scars if you dont run flag leggo?

[ebon notch]

LETS GO

[drifting cloud]

always

[unborn root]

ty fam

[hollow river]

gdi

have to sit from fate prog because i keep dcing man

[cursive silo]

Lashing scars doesn’t do anything for the leggo

Or well not the cdr part

I guess you get 2.5% vers yay

[shy dust]

lashing scars is just a strong conduit

so yes you run it

[viscid spear]

I love Dauntless but sometimes I wish I could go triple pot

[lavish lichen]

20 stacks on flag outside of lust is far too low right?

[slow marsh]

I wouldn't say far too low but yeah sounds like you flagged with 0 cp

[lavish lichen]

nah I always flag at full cp

[static rock]

Kind of a dumb question but do we finish at 4 or mutilate to 5?

[balmy condor]

I mean with mfd should be getting 25

[balmy condor]

always finish on 4 with vig/mfd

[lavish lichen]

Yea feels like Im missing a whole spender

In opener with no lust

I cant get 30 either

should I be able to?

[balmy condor]

well that's normal

[lavish lichen]

Well Surely you get more stacks with vanish on opener

[slow marsh]

With MfD I normally get 28-29

Without lust or pi

[lavish lichen]

with vanish or no vanish

[slow marsh]

Why would you ever hold vanish

[lavish lichen]

you dont

but you ahve ti on opener is the point

[slow marsh]

Oh I see what you mean yeah

[lavish lichen]

so you get extras stacks

[viscid spear]

I get around 25 outside Lust with BS/DS

[lavish lichen]

so if you get 28 without vanish

[slow marsh]

Outside of vanish I get 25-28 depending yeah

[lavish lichen]

then every vanish you certainly get 30(if the line up or last use)

[viscid spear]

I want to do the MfD build but I'm lazy

[slow marsh]

You just need to be aware of when it's coming up and pool

[lavish lichen]

I think thats it

[viscid spear]

Laaaazy

[lavish lichen]

not enough energy

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[lavish lichen]

ty

[slow marsh]

Np

[lavish lichen]

in opener sure feels like I have basically no energy

like Mut > SnD > Mut > Gar > Rupture and Im at 0 energy and all my CDs available

is that wrong

[ebon notch]

no

feels like that

sometimes i just belf racial

to get me over the edge

[lavish lichen]

is it worth it to pool?

like do I just get my dots up pool then go into CDs

[ebon notch]

just pump ur cds

on pull

opener feels shit but

just do it

pool after

[lavish lichen]

ok lol

im just basically spam mut for 2 seconds

bc nothing happens

SnD should be 0 energy cost

[static rock]

I’m kind of confused on what pooling does can someone explain

I read the faq

We save energy before vendetta and shiv so we can cast a lot during those times?

[balmy condor]

you save energy before every non-empowered envenom

[static rock]

Is the non-empowered envenom like an ability in my spell book?

[balmy condor]

it's an envenom that isn't buffed by shiv, vendetta, doesn't add any stacks to flagellation

[static rock]

Oh so we aren’t supposed to spam envenoms outside cds?

[lavish lichen]

I feel like that isnt really how its actually played, sure that works well in sims, but in raid you actually do mechanics and being high energy all the time isnt great for that

[cursive silo]

You guys do mechanics?

[misty holly]

Mechanics are a healer problem. Doing damage is a dps problem. Rogues are a dps class.

[ebon notch]

you arent high energy all the time though

thats not how pooling works when running dashing

unless you have something like 50% haste

[lavish lichen]

I dont run dashing

And you aren’t high energy all the time ofc

But being at higher energy at all means you have less time to do mechanics before you start to lose dps

[slow marsh]

which is why you dump before doing your mechanics

[lavish lichen]

Right ofc, not all are predictable tho but yea

[slow marsh]

i mean they kind of are

[lavish lichen]

When they happen yes

Not who they get assigned to