assassination

[limber lion]

Yeh

[fallen arch]

Everytime I hear stop dps I hear Pilav in my head now

I DONT FUCKING WANNA STOP DPS

[delicate berry]

first few times as boomie...they called it after i hit a fresh starfall

[drowsy parcel]

we had a mage quit raiding over stopping dps in CN

he had mental breakdowns whenever he was forced to stop

he probably wouldnt like this tier

[delicate berry]

i would like the Slyv fight more if it was a little shorter and she didn't randomly become untargetable

[scenic root]

Working on nerzuel, stopping every 15% cause of horrible timing. We just had people start switching to heals to dps slower

[delicate berry]

10-15min between wipes just blows

[lavish lichen]

I mean bro

[plain thistle]

we actually added 1 more healer for our re clears, since our DPS is much higher now a extra healer can "fill the gaps"

and lower our dps

[lavish lichen]

Stopping dps is bad but stopping dps on a CDR class like mage outlaw sub

Is just ultra cringe

[shrewd helm]

This. I was playing mage on remnant prog and the stopping every percentage just killed my damage to the point I was dead last. Super frustrating.

[manic pebble]

252 Phial pls

[scenic root]

We added 2, tho to be fair we have a dps orientated resto shaman that is only being used for their utility ( he is also RL )

[prisma cypress]

are people really so obsessed with their log rankings that they have breakdowns over stopping dps

jesus

[plain thistle]

thats not the point

[prisma cypress]

then what is?

[delicate berry]

just like i hate those few quests where you have to weaken the mob to use an item on it

oops i killed it

or just take that beating to the face while you wait for it to come off CD lol

[plain thistle]

bad game design? when you have 14/15 people not actually doing the boss mechanic? just waiting for a better timer

encounter design*

[thorny pond]

Stopping DPS as a boss mechanic is sucky. But when it's the basis of nearly half the raid, holding DPS is shit

[prisma cypress]

i guess it's too much to expect people to do something other than mindlessly pump damage

[brazen zodiac]

I don't think it has to do with logs I think people just wanna play the game and not actually just afk

[delicate berry]

games up for my server vault run!

[thorn grotto]

what is this 'other' you talk about? standing around enjoying the view?

[harsh lantern]

just hit the boss 4head

[brazen zodiac]

VAULT UP?

[drifting cloud]

you can, it just makes the boss harder

[plain thistle]

[delicate berry]

probably not for 10 min yet

[brazen zodiac]

oh

[delicate berry]

but hey game is up and i can take my happy ass to the vault to wait out 10min before disappointment sets in

[willow eagle]

Afking on kt for 3 minutes is not fun

[limber lion]

I play a dps class/spec/character because I want to do damage.

Having that taken from me does not feel great.

[charred wraith]

i mean if there was something to do, while you stop, but you literally stop and afk in every part of this encounter except for p3, which lasts 30 seconds and its just a dummy with kicks

[wintry mica]

I dont think anyone can really argue that when the optimal strategy is to sit and do nothing while you wait for CDs mid fight its just shit design

[brazen zodiac]

hi rya

im so hyped!

[wintry mica]

Im prepared for another week of disappointment

[brazen zodiac]

im not

this vault gonna be LIT

ok

im somewhat sad

[burnt star]

Cant beat another week without a 252 dagger OR a 246 sylv dagger

[burnt star]

Wellllll boots or pants are kinda great tbh

If u dont have yet

[rocky pecan]

crit vers ?

[gusty mirage]

yall still doing 10 keys a week?

god bless

[burnt star]

I still have a 246 mh

[rocky pecan]

have done 1 this week

[burnt star]

Any 252 dagger from m+ is 120 dps increase

For.me

[gusty mirage]

ngl you'd be fine not seeing the non-dom 252 piece in that 3rd box

[spice spire]

You still breathing?

God bless

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire said he'd carry my monk through a 15

and abandoned me

let it be known

[spice spire]

Wish I weren’t on jah

True

I did

[gusty mirage]

he is indeed a liar

[spice spire]

I’m the worst by far

[brazen zodiac]

i have the 252 mythic drop pants so

[gusty mirage]

did the 15 without you

[brazen zodiac]

def the boots probs

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I couldn’t line up fragger dps number 2

[gusty mirage]

top damage

[spice spire]

Though idt you need the carry

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

bonedust brew -> tiger palm -> spin to win -> profit

also I'm coming for that sin IO @spice spire

better start grinding

[spice spire]

I am

It’s not a horrendous week

Tho not great

[gusty mirage]

bolster explosive?

[spice spire]

Explosives+bolster

Ye

[gusty mirage]

[cursive silo]

Signet time

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather deal with last week than build a boss week

[brazen zodiac]

@wintry mica @obtuse robin @balmy condor does 1:30 pm 2:30 pm est sound good for u guys for kt sylv skip

[manic pebble]

sad vault

[brazen zodiac]

that ring

[manic pebble]

I already have the ring, I don't think having 2 of them is a good idea

[balmy condor]

Yeh but make a group dm, this ain’t the channel queen

[spice spire]

Just dps better

Hello?

[gusty mirage]

Don't make me do it

[wintry mica]

time for dissapointment

[spice spire]

Want you to hit me on god

[scarlet warren]

ladies and gentlemen

finally got a dagger

[spice spire]

Huge

[scarlet warren]

[wintry mica]

HOLY SHIT NO TOKENS THIS WEEK BABYYYYYYY

[spice spire]

Juice?!

[strange python]

Ayy got kt legs and getting sylv kill tn

[wintry mica]

dont even need to look at the rest

[spice spire]

[delicate berry]

lucky

got pooped on by the vault for yet another week on 3x toons

rogue got 3 Backs and 3 necks

feels bad

[wintry mica]

yea ive been on the token train for a few weeks in a row

only the third 252 that was actually usable from my vault so far lol

[delicate berry]

i believe it have a few 252s hanging out in my bag

[strange python]

Down to 10% haste rip

[hushed dirge]

I am at a bit of an impass right now for my vault.

Vault Options

I need the pants and shoulders for sockets

[brazen zodiac]

@balmy condor haha idrc who comes so long as they rogue

[hushed dirge]

Cross-Realm should be unlocking next week.

[restive falcon]

i got a 252 phial and a 2nd 246 edge of night, phial is a +67 dps increase while the 2nd dagger is a -41 dps. i have a 246 phial and a 252 mainhand with my 246 edge of night, do i take the phial ?

[hushed dirge]

I think you only need 1 edge of night for the shadow damage.

[strange python]

do 2 daggers stack?

[hushed dirge]

I don't know

[strange python]

yeah

take the phial If they don't stack

if they stack dunno

[hushed dirge]

I would go for Phial since its 252

[strange python]

me 2

[hushed dirge]

Waiting for raidbots to complete a sim on reset takes so long.

[peak bobcat]

The damage stacks

Proc chance doesn’t

[karmic crystal]

They will deal twice as much damage when they proc essentially

[hushed dirge]

But the loss of stats and damage is not worth it with 2 edge of nights.

[strange python]

Yes it is, unless the ilvl drops.

And like, by a good bit

[restive falcon]

i would lose a 252 dagger for a 2nd dagger

[strange python]

Heroic?

[karmic crystal]

Just follow the sim

[restive falcon]

yea a 2nd 246 edge

[karmic crystal]

Unless you want to play sub

[strange python]

My gut says it would be very very close to a 252

[restive falcon]

i do play sub as well

[strange python]

And would make sub good

[hushed dirge]

For sub the second edge would be great.

Not worth for Assassin.

[strange python]

For sub it's not even close, sylv dag is way better. For sin I would guess a 246 edge is close/better than a 252

But not by much

at least u need 1 as sin I'd say

But you will also never got another chance at a 252 phial

[balmy condor]

It’s usually not in mainhand

[restive falcon]

my sim says to take phial but i feel 2nd dagger would be good since i also do my sub and i can always farm another phial

[balmy condor]

Sin sucks with daggers

[strange python]

Phial. You can only get 252 phial from vault and you won't see it again this season in all likelihood.

And phial is bis for all three specs anyways

[hushed dirge]

I would take Phial since you can get the dagger via boss drop.

[strange python]

252 phial is the vault holy grail

I wouldn't even bother running sim if I saw one

[restive falcon]

i play sub in keys and im assass/frost in raid but i could switch to sub/blood with 2 daggers but ig i take the phial and just keep farming

[strange python]

My 246 phial would get a 75 dps upgrade by going to 252. Makes me so sad.

Will your raid team be clearing mythic sylv this tier?

[restive falcon]

yes we are

[strange python]

Even if not, you have at least 12 more shots at sylv dag from heroic (tier will last awhile)

If so, heroic dag isn't bis and phial is

[pale plank]

damn i am not sure which one to choose, dagger or chest, chest will prob be my bis chest for a while since we are still prog 3/10M, while dagger doesnt have me preferred stats

[strange python]

no doubt - Dagger

3/10 mythic? Why not eye chest?

Do you already have all 5 Dom socket pieces? If not take chest. If so, not chest. Eye chest is big

[pale plank]

i got alll 5 dom socket pieces, and yea i forgot about the eye chest

[strange python]

+, u're just stacking crit

not need eye cehst

[cursive silo]

haste is good tho

[strange python]

it is, but crit more

[cursive silo]

it's a sim it question

[pale plank]

dagger it is

[strange python]

🙂

[halcyon zealot]

my two dungeon choices

rofl

[strange python]

hahahha unlucky

[halcyon zealot]

guess i shoulda done 10!!! dumbass game

[brazen zodiac]

lol what

[south lava]

best shard for sin?

for raid

[spice spire]

Best set is frost

[south lava]

i see thanks

[spice spire]

Best singular shard is dyz iirc

[south lava]

how about sub

best set

frost also?

[spice spire]

Blood

[visual prairie]

they're all really close for sub, depends on gear, usually it's blood though

[proper pendant]

226 weathered talisman or tarragrue neck or a dom socket shoulder to replace a non dom socket

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-paranoid-gif-4974019

[balmy condor]

Sim

[proper pendant]

does it take vault items?

[spice spire]

Yes

/simc with vault open and it’ll capture it all

[proper pendant]

1754 in queue

can they go outside

[alpine latch]

Fuck. My. Life.

My alt Alliance rogue just got a 252 dagger

Someone put me out of my misery already

7462 DPS with no Shard sets and Zoldycks

[brazen zodiac]

F

[spice spire]

Classic

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/49oLyAiYuP8c1RHLABxi8

@limber lion stop getting away with it

[hollow river]

This is why we stick to one rogue.

[alpine latch]

Also, Vault is broken

I didn't run a single m+ on my Horde and I have all 3 options unlocked

[brazen zodiac]

LOL?

[hollow river]

I hope mine does the same then

I still haven’t taken last weeks item

[alpine latch]

So, my IO profile: https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Krymoore

None ran last week

My GV

[real solar]

You prob didn’t loot your vault last week?

[lavish lichen]

Did yoy open your vault at all last week tho 🤔

[alpine latch]

I did. I got Edge of Night last week

[quasi scroll]

holy shit it happened

[alpine latch]

You bet your ass I looted that

[real solar]

Maybe you didn’t loot it 2 weeks ago or some other time

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[real solar]

So you’re perma 1 week behind

till you fully open it

[alpine latch]

So next week I'll have no m+ options even if I run a ton this week?

[quasi scroll]

can't you just loot it, close it, loot it again?

[alpine latch]

IDK - running the sim now

I don't think any of these are even remotely good for me, but we'll see.

[balmy condor]

Yeah if you skipped a vault, you can just reopen after taking an option

[real solar]

Yeah, so loot that weeks and then reopen 1 more time

[alpine latch]

Oh shit

[gusty mirage]

[alpine latch]

Yeah, that worked... 2 bad vaults. RIP

[spice spire]

[alpine latch]

It's all good. I'm 10.4k DPS and I win most of our fights by like 800-1500 DPS

[strange python]

Hold iqd for vend/flag or slam on CD with shiv?

[real solar]

halo

[wintry mica]

you should have it up for every other flag anyway

[strange python]

You hold flag for vend unless it's a final flag and vend won't come up

[quasi venture]

no you only sync flag with vendetta if you wont gain another flag use.

[wintry mica]

it depends on fight length, but yea holding flag for each vendetta will lose you a cast of flag over the fight

[strange python]

Yes that how it works lol

[wintry mica]

yes so you dont hold flag for vendetta

[quasi venture]

[strange python]

Jesus.

[wintry mica]

so you flag every 1.5 minutes

[rocky pecan]

he asked hold IQD

btw

[strange python]

Nevermind I'll run my sim lmfao

They don't know the flag logic either it's fine I'll run sim

[quasi venture]

xd

[fair pebble]

if you lose a flag use because of holding its not worth

[wintry mica]

why ask questions if you are just going to get mad if its not the answer you want lol

[strange python]

Because your answer is wrong.

And it wasn't the question I asked.

[quasi venture]

Our answer is not wrong mate.

[wintry mica]

theres no reason to hold IQD for flag/vendetta if you are playing properly and flagging on CD

because it will always be up for every other flag

[strange python]

It very much is. You sync flag with vend until the final cast if you would lose one.

[wintry mica]

no you dont

[strange python]

You do not flag on CD.

I promise you.

You are doing it wrong.

[quasi venture]

XDD

[strange python]

This has been addressed a thousand times in this disc.

Didn't your vault have only heroic items?

[rocky pecan]

you dont cauuz we all play nf sin

so no flag

[quasi venture]

please send your long uwu

i beg you

[strange python]

My log? Would you like my rank 8 eye? Or rank 24 guardian?

Please stop.

[wintry mica]

well Im sure you know more than Cev with all his rank 1 parses lol

[quasi venture]

Sure if you wanna se my rank 3 guardian

or my rank 5 pain

like please

you are wrong

[strange python]

Cev himself says you sync until last cast LOL

[wintry mica]

I think you misunderstood, but you obviously arent willing to listen to what we say so im done trying to help lol

[strange python]

I think I'm good without heroic help.

[wintry mica]

lol big dick mythic pumper

[halcyon zealot]

[spice spire]

You sync flags unless you miss a cast. This is the rule. If you’re to miss a cast, syncing is not the play

[strange python]

Yes.

[spice spire]

You all over complicate things lol

[strange python]

Thats what has been said.

[real solar]

Daddy @balmy condor

[quasi venture]

no you said you sync every flag with every vendetta

[real solar]

kids are fighting

[cerulean nest]

almost 1300 crit and sims are finally telling me to switch to a haste gem lol

[quasi venture]

that is your words

[strange python]

No. I didn't.

[quasi venture]

Yes

you did

[rocky pecan]

poor whispyr

[strange python]

I know EUs struggle with English but please try reading.

[quasi venture]

xD

[halcyon zealot]

im just on the sidelines.. but

you literally said that word for word

[strange python]

Yes. That clearly says except when you're going to lose one.

Like. It's right there

[quasi venture]

you struggle with mental issues mate.

[strange python]

Irony.

[spice spire]

Okay you’re all saying the same things

This is going in circles

Just different verbiage

[balmy condor]

The fuck

I’m gone for 5 minutes

[real solar]

LMAOOO

[cerulean nest]

grats on orange

[balmy condor]

[urban thistle]

[quasi venture]

[urban thistle]

Da fuck is Goin on ova dere

[slow marsh]

Happens every time

[pale plank]

[urban thistle]

Assassination players getting their apm by arguing alt tabbed mid pull?

[slow marsh]

Go easy I used to be a noob like that too

[quasi venture]

good warmup

[wintry mica]

nothing wrong with being a noob, just don't argue with people giving you answers lol

[slow marsh]

True

[real solar]

Okay anyways, you Flag on CD - and you sync the last one with Vendetta if you won't get an extra cast. For IQD, study your fight timers and see if you will miss a cast if you hold for vendetta or not lol

[wintry mica]

the secret to using IQD properly is to just get a better trinket

[balmy condor]

Also chill out homie

[halcyon zealot]

or do anything in your power to get rid of the IQD yeah

[spice spire]

Big fragger ivanrah

Based rogue

[quasi venture]

Sorry pap, was mid apex game, testo went abit to high

[slow marsh]

Iqd is nice for heroic when fights are 3-4 mins xD

[wintry mica]

tru

[urban thistle]

Ivanrah made laudso quit the game 😭

[real solar]

Laudso made me give up on WoW

😦

[urban thistle]

So it was really his fault all along

[real solar]

Going from parsing well to caring about the game to raid logging and never looking at logs

YA

[urban thistle]

I will bring this up with him.

I miss him :((

[real solar]

Legit haven't looked at any logs or any mythic raid fights or played outside of raid since he fukt me 😦

[urban thistle]

I wanted him to come tank for me again this tier

[real solar]

same

Speaking of IQD, I just got a 252 from vault lul

[slow marsh]

Who the heck is laudso

[urban thistle]

The main tank of my guild, modern, that died on slg last tier

[slow marsh]

O

[urban thistle]

And ivan's key group tank

[wintry mica]

CN was a bit of a guild killer

[slow marsh]

Pour one out for all the guilds SLG killed

[halcyon zealot]

tfw your guild had better morale on SLG prog than painsmith

get me outta this raidddd

[balmy condor]

Maybe it’s not us wiping on boss, but the bosses wiping on the guild

[slow marsh]

Yeah my guild is getting slg vibes on pain

[real solar]

Well Laudso quit his guild and then joined mine as a tank and then showed up late 1.5 hours late for Denath prog for like 4 of the first 5 days.

[balmy condor]

And sometimes the bosses actually kill

[slow marsh]

It's the guild wiping on itself tbh

[urban thistle]

Yea, he left when we disbanded for going in dryer

[real solar]

Keys were whatever, I always pug keys - even BFA, I pugged to 6k or whatever

Ya, RYFIES GUILD NOW

[urban thistle]

I didn't remember that you were there, I just remember him saying that he had you when I said I wanted to key with him

[balmy condor]

M+ andy

[slow marsh]

Painsmith doesn't kill anyone. Raid groups kill themselves on painsmith

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

any intermission gamers here?

[rocky pecan]

eye close intermission here

[wintry mica]

do they still have that old peggle addon, that would be good for intermission//stop dps times

[slow marsh]

Apparently just nobody ever played that snake game

[urban thistle]

Just think how bad it must feel to be a raid boss. We wipe against them 100+ times, but then they wipe against us once and all the sudden we're the winners??

[rocky pecan]

or they just loosed all time oo

[brazen zodiac]

is this supposed to be a roast or something

[balmy condor]

I do want to reel the conversation back in though :)

[brazen zodiac]

ima start using that holy fuck LFMAO

"i bet ur vault only has heroic items"

[obtuse robin]

@brazen zodiac im sure it was u who @me but cant find the message

[real solar]

@balmy condor Do I grab 252 haste vers legs from vault or just pray I get 259 KT ones to drop for me? (Using 246 haste vers atm) - I def just pray to the RNG god because the loot system is gr8 right?

[slow marsh]

I'm talking about pain prog tho

Whisp can you give me tips on pain

[brazen zodiac]

ya u wanna do kt skip?

[quasi venture]

you guys have vaults on tuesdays?

[brazen zodiac]

LMFAO

[urban thistle]

My vault only had heroic items two weeks ago, because the only mythic boss I killed 3 weeks ago was Sylvanas

[obtuse robin]

ok

[wintry mica]

people with 1 mythic vault option talking shit to people with 0 lol

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

based

[balmy condor]

Don’t stand in things

[urban thistle]

Just get the 259 pants from vault like me. With speed, too

[rocky pecan]

kek

[slow marsh]

Can you tell that to my raid

[oak sky]

Tips for kt

[wintry mica]

I've heard if you get in melee range and /hug a ball it insta dies

[oak sky]

I need to work on doing nothing

[urban thistle]

🏎️

[balmy condor]

Too busy telling that to mine

[slow marsh]

Oh ok

[real solar]

stuck on m sylv for prob 2 more weeks 😦

[wintry mica]

just stop dps harder what do you mean

[oak sky]

Yes sir

[slow marsh]

I died a couple times on the first few pulls but ended the night with least deaths as per usual

[real solar]

tips for KT? Just do big boss dmg and tell everyone else to stop while u secretly keep dots up

[slim jay]

another week of no dagger

[oak sky]

Its so boring actually

[real solar]

if you're going downstairs, make sure you go down with max CP ezpz

[wintry mica]

its such a shit designed fight

[slow marsh]

I should proba check my vault I guess to see what new juicy outlaw gear I have

[spice spire]

[wintry mica]

I still have better outlaw weps than sin weps

[rocky pecan]

tomorrow last weekly mm vauult 😢 we start extend prog on KT and dont stop as long sylv isnt dead 😢

[quasi venture]

[urban thistle]

Hey, I got my only edge of night from my 3 item heroic vault because we extended

Of course, I got it the day AFTER we got ce, but you know

[rocky pecan]

xd

[urban thistle]

Better late than never?

[subtle tundra]

tomorrow first mm vault! havent recleared since painsmith

[rocky pecan]

for my setup edge hc is 36 dps

[wintry mica]

for real, I wish I could sit for some mythic bosses and get 3 shots at heroic dagger lol

[real solar]

I wanna see someone get 3x Edge

3 mythic kills
6 heroic
9 normal

Zephyr do it for me

[urban thistle]

The entirety of prog I asked to only be in for 2 bosses

It was not granted, but I usually was able to get 1 mythic 2 heroic vaults

Only the week that we killed kt did I have triple mythic

[quasi venture]

no that is illegal

[urban thistle]

I'll try my best ivan

But only after I get two mythic ones first

[hollow river]

Imagine not having 4 EoNs

[wintry mica]

the best Ive seen was someone with 3 mythic sylv drops

as their vault

[quasi venture]

[rocky pecan]

oh i saw this guy tho raymuuss

[urban thistle]

I've seen a few triple Sylvanas item vaults

But it was the 3 non dagger items

[slow marsh]

Wcl says I'm an outlaw player now so I guess I have to own it

[loud silo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bBEmjyZwAdUzN6ZWeG9MMV why do i sim so low

[urban thistle]

Chest, ring, belt every time

[wintry mica]

I think the one I saw was chest ring dagger

fuck that belt btw

its the only thing the bitch drops

[quasi venture]

Big upgrade would be frost shard.

[slow marsh]

False my raid has gotten 15 rings

[wintry mica]

weve gotten more bows than rings

doesnt make any sense

[spice spire]

I’ll miss you

[urban thistle]

I mean, every single loot spec in the game can get the ring

So of course you're going to see ten thousand of them

Every kill has a 68.5% chance of dropping at least 1 ring

[real solar]

nah, it's 100% chance

esp if you have 6 rogues in your heroic

it's 100% chance 0 daggers and 100% 4 rings

[wintry mica]

its always 50% either it drops or it doesnt

[spice spire]

Edge of night is a 100%! Chance drop for me guys trust

[urban thistle]

Oh, I meant on mythic

[spice spire]

Very true!

[real solar]

OK WELL ON MYTHIC, it's 100% chance watch

Both @warped temple and i will get the rings

[wintry mica]

get in my heroic pug and trade it to me then

[quasi venture]

And also i checked your stat weights. you should resocket and re enchants rings etc to crit bcs your haste is alot.

[urban thistle]

With a 30 person raid group it's an 82% chance to get 1+ rings

[brazen zodiac]

get in mine

.<

[spice spire]

[loud silo]

i appreciate ur insight

[urban thistle]

That's a good one. I'm gonna steal that line when I wanna be passive aggressive, too

[spice spire]

Unholy set + Necro too

[urban thistle]

@balmy condor hey man, I appreciate your insight

[spice spire]

We’re in a similar boat king

[verbal mantle]

[balmy condor]

[loud silo]

im not being passive aggresive?

[urban thistle]

I know, I just wanted to ping whispyr with it

[loud silo]

im genuinely thankful

[balmy condor]

She doesn’t like me

[spice spire]

Frost will eventually be better with around 40% crit and you’ll see stonks

[urban thistle]

I appreciate you!

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

R5 is like +600 or some shit for me rn

[urban thistle]

And the time that you kicked me out of your discord

[spice spire]

Zephyr hates everyone actually

[alpine latch]

Man, I'm still bummed that we are still only getting 50-60 Embers a week. I'm surprised that hasn't been bumped up yet.

[spice spire]

[urban thistle]

True

[balmy condor]

IT WAS IN MY SLEEP WHAT DO YOU WANT

[urban thistle]

[spice spire]

Why you kicking people in ur sleep

[brazen zodiac]

[spice spire]

That’s hella rude

[quasi venture]

yea @loud silo for now with your stats frost is not beating your unholy set btw. so when you get some nice loot with more crit it will be alot better etc.

[loud silo]

loot?

[warped temple]

never getting dags.

[loud silo]

unfamiliar with the term

[quasi venture]

iknow iknow me too

[south lava]

whats the best leggo for raid

[quasi venture]

[south lava]

flag leggo or mutilate leggo

[balmy condor]

Dashing

[quasi venture]

I appreciate your insight

[plain thistle]

I actually got sylv mythic dagger before heroic, what a game

[balmy condor]

[pale plank]

i am sooo mad, why couldnt the dagger be on the other side

[oak sky]

No whispyr, you're dashing :3

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

@warped temple sighting

[balmy condor]

Trade me a dagger today then

[warped temple]

my god that's what ivanrah and I think will happen to us too lol.

[plain thistle]

I have 1 normal dagger, 0 heroic and 1 mythic

[warped temple]

Hi oxiiiii! ❤️

[oak sky]

@balmy condor how am i gonna do that

[balmy condor]

@brazen zodiac shall serve as the medium of sacrifice

[plain thistle]

normal sylv wasnt a upgrade for me last time I simmed, for assa

[real solar]

whispyr what's alt code for ur name again

[balmy condor]

0237

[upbeat needle]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

[quasi venture]

Pain

[spice spire]

Wait whisp did you get the sylvanas kill last night?

[upbeat needle]

legit the worse vault I've ever seen in my life

[balmy condor]

I did

[brazen zodiac]

listen on god if i dont get that dagger or the ring today im making a tape

[pale plank]

i am still using my LFR sylv dagger, and one from heroic remnant

[brazen zodiac]

it has been 6 weeks

[real solar]

wtf whispyr has a 246 edge

[plain thistle]

get the cloak, we have 0 legendaries there

[brazen zodiac]

ill literally settle for a normal

[upbeat needle]

pain

pure

fucking

pain

[spice spire]

Was it worth?

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

Cloak is great for m+

[balmy condor]

1 ember

[slim pebble]

I hope you all get good loot

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

I got M haste vers helm H kt neck and H kt shoulders last week

H kt gear out simmed the helm

[balmy condor]

I forgot I killed kt and sylv on normal so I didn’t even get my 50

[hollow river]

Can’t decide on necklace or shoulders tho

[balmy condor]

[pale plank]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rbD5c8X35V5KkpgVFs5sNV man the daggers in this game are fucking with me right now,

my dps cmon!!

[spice spire]

whisnsalgxucg nsoelsjehemalsfieh

ALL OF THAT AND YOU’RE STILL SHORT?!?!?!

You deadass spent 7-8 hours

[balmy condor]

I’m like 6’1

[spice spire]

[quasi venture]

Isnt that standard length in EU

[balmy condor]

9*

[spice spire]

Yeah you’re taller than me by an inch king

Unluckers

Anyway

Shiv on CD

[oak sky]

I guess we all look up to whispyr

[spice spire]

very good

[oak sky]

Vault check

[balmy condor]

10 more minutes

Nearly ready

Crust is golden, not golden brown

[spice spire]

4 hours

[oak sky]

Im not getting shit

Undercooking

[spice spire]

There’s a phial waiting on me

[hushed dirge]

I am still undecided on what to get

[quasi venture]

There’s pain waiting for me mate

[spice spire]

Whatever sims highest

[oak sky]

wel

ocular gland i guess

[hushed dirge]

The boots are not going to be part of it since I already have it

[wintry mica]

Im late to the party but i can almost guarantee a korthia dagger will beat LFR sylv dagger

[hushed dirge]

I am thinking either the waist or pants

Shoulders are needed for both leggo on Outlaw and dom sockets.

[warped temple]

[oak sky]

dont think thats true @hushed dirge

[balmy condor]

[vital tapir]

[pale plank]

I don’t do korthia lmao! Just don’t like the place feels like a chore to do

[oak sky]

every leggo has a slot that doesnt go to dom slot

[pale plank]

@wintry mica but I guess I gotta suck it up

[wintry mica]

I dont think it takes that long to get enough to bump a dagger to 220, which is when my korthia dagger was outsimming LFR sylv

[pale plank]

Really? I have it at a higher but my lfr is simmer higher

Let me check real quick

[brazen zodiac]

i cannot solo choreghat

to save my life

[scarlet warren]

i actually dont mind blasting thru choreghast as outlaw

once u get like the one power that increases the damage of ur CP generators after a finisher and a couple of other powers its not bad

[glass tulip]

are 2 people interested in farming Sylv tonight with my guild? I would love a dagger funnel :)

[balmy condor]

aight vault is done cooking

I can smell it

[glass tulip]

pulled 252 boots so that was a feelsgood

[spice spire]

Post the juice

[balmy condor]

go next

[glass tulip]

F

[balmy condor]

I guess hands are an up

but yuck man

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-mission-failure-mission-failure-shepherd-mass-effect-gif-10817105

[pale plank]

@wintry mica here is my topgear sim for the daggers i have, and its simming less

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8RjHs1dpjRPdNhT8s2y4ab

[oak sky]

im getting guardian trinket tonight

[hasty siren]

Damn frost set is that far ahead of unholy.

[pale plank]

[oak sky]

my ocular gland will immediately be replaced

[pale plank]

tryiing to replace my decanter llmao

[spice spire]

It’s a not small amount, yeah

[hushed dirge]

with belt https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5NLzpJeW39ECceconZWNHh
with pants https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8yg3i262LCDkUm778zptfY

[spice spire]

Pants it is

[gusty mirage]

You know what also isn’t a small amount?

[glass tulip]

frost set is also so fire for healing

i feel invincible

[hushed dirge]

Pants are a dom socket

[wintry mica]

the other dagger will probably win a sim with ep/vig instead of bs/ds would be my guess, but looks like they are pretty similar

[oak sky]

they arent

[hushed dirge]

For SoD

[gusty mirage]

Just the bonus

No socket

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

My love for you

[spice spire]

[rocky pecan]

you both so cuteeeee

[real solar]

@gusty mirage stop cheating on me

[alpine latch]

I was going to mention that you acn get better pants than that.. Then I checked your server and found out they are 750k. FUCK that.

[spice spire]

Palmer doing the big boy search for help

[alpine latch]

I got the Mythic BoE pants for 135k

[spice spire]

Based

[slim jay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/imSmZ9VVX4FKMh2QdpRfR8

10k club

woo

[alpine latch]

Grats!

Now get to the 11k club

[gusty mirage]

[wintry mica]

I sold mine last week for 475k

[pale plank]

hoping to join you soon tonight after i get my amp and heroic dagger

[alpine latch]

Yeah, all depends on server. Area 52 had them super cheap one day so I snagged them. The prices went up like 3 hours later so I'm guessing someone bought them out and reset the prices

[slim jay]

[wintry mica]

yea prices were crazy on zuljin, all over the place. I ended up undercutting one that wasnt selling just to get rid of mine

[hushed dirge]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=186331/elite-aranakk-breeches?bonus=7188 is what I was thinking of https://www.wowhead.com/item=186293/flameclasp-scorched-legguards?bonus=7188:1485

[pure moth]

I sold them for like 550k haha

[hushed dirge]

I went for the pants.

Good for Outlaw spec in keys.

[limber lion]

Wtf

What in the actual

[brazen zodiac]

oh boy

[limber lion]

I have definitely never ever in the history of Ravenholdt said that

[brazen zodiac]

[limber lion]

That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard

[alpine latch]

Cev just got incorrected. You hate to see it.

[limber lion]

The entire concept is using everything we have on cooldown

As long as you don't miss casts

Not syncing everything

Also what does syncing everything but the last cast even do

Why wouldn't you sync that then?

Seems kinda sus to me

[vital tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/abort-mission-press-button-press-it-gif-13456843

[wintry mica]

I think they had it backwards from people saying that you only worry about syncing the last cast of the fight

[earnest remnant]

wasent the thing ppl said was, "you can sync them if you DONT loose a cast"

atleast thats what i read back in nathria when assa started to see play

[wintry mica]

thats like how every class with desynced CDs works basically lol

[cerulean nest]

how many seconds are acceptable to hold shiv for to line with vendetta

?

[drifting cloud]

10~

[cerulean nest]

kk

what's the jump from r4 to r5 frost usually?

trying to nab it before raid tonight

[balmy condor]

300 ish

[spice spire]

About 300 for me

[cerulean nest]

sick

[rare bridge]

Is Theotar the best soulbind cov person for us atm?

[burnt star]

No

Unless u didnt unlock last row of nadja

U want to use nadja. Free hast and crit. Pairs well with frost/dashing

[rare bridge]

Ah ok thats who ive been rocking but saw differently on wowhead

tyty

[burnt star]

Id suggest to sim yourself if u ever in doubt

[rare bridge]

I will!

[burnt star]

Always the best answer to all item/conduit etc

[quasi venture]

I wanted to tag you but i had to take a breather

[limber lion]

Yeah, we're chilling.

Probably just a misunderstanding, that's all.

[quasi venture]

It's a preference after all

[real solar]

Cev is my preference

[burnt star]

There are worst thing in life.. like BF still capped at 5 target

[oak sky]

does anyone have an addon that removes quests during raid but doesnt do it in leveling dungeons

like hides

[limber lion]

You can use a macro for it.

I do that as well. Press it once, the quest log disappears

Press it again, it appears

/run local is = ObjectiveTrackerFrame:IsShown() if is then ObjectiveTrackerFrame:Hide() else ObjectiveTrackerFrame:Show() end

[oak sky]

ok

[balmy condor]

observe peasants

[brazen zodiac]

@obtuse robin

[limber lion]

imagine wanting to see that ugly Objectives+ there at all times

But yeah, by using the macro I get like 5cm more space for my note below the map

Maybe I should take Fuu's advice and place my map on the bottom instead

[balmy condor]

[burnt star]

Map on bottom. What sorcery is this!

[limber lion]

[iron orchid]

[oak sky]

ty cevvy

i had a WA before

but its annoying me when i level

[sonic schooner]

Not having map on the left side smh

[limber lion]

:)

[balmy condor]

not having map center bottom for optimal herb farming

[spice spire]

[pale plank]

Wth? The weekly quest is to do 20 WQ? I never knew that weekly existed

[spice spire]

It’s a weekly skip

[drifting cloud]

that weekly has been a thing since legion lol

[pseudo oak]

Hi all, apologizes if this has been answered elsewhere: Does Zoldyck Insignia work for the Sylvanas fight as she technically doesn't dip below 30% health?

[spice spire]

It works on the adds solely. It’s very NOT recommended

It’s essentially a fight without a legendary lol

[pseudo oak]

ah, I figured that was the case. Thanks!

[slim pebble]

Oh yay another 252 IQD

[sonic schooner]

Yea zoldyck is a bit no for sylvanas

[arctic hare]

Indeed!

[pale plank]

Don’t take zoldyck for sylv

[pseudo oak]

Definitely will not! Was just curious if Blizz made it relative to the health you're actually able to take away from her

[limber lion]

That would have made fury warriors absolutely insane for the fight

Unfortunately that's not the case.

I thought it was the case for the dagger as well, but I was wrong

[spice spire]

Wait sylvanas daggers are bad for sylvanas? Ironic

[rocky pecan]

cev you ualready do your ruun this week ?on mm ?

[limber lion]

Yes

Yesterday

[rocky pecan]

oh ok

[oak sky]

my monk lvl 50

🙂

ready for 9.1.5

[pale plank]

@oak sky are they getting not aoe cap?

[arctic hare]

lol

[oak sky]

nah i just don't feel like doing the maw intro

[arctic hare]

Makes sense

[oak sky]

monk already does insane burst aoe as a capped class

[arctic hare]

Ugh, now i’m gonna have to lvl my DK through that crap

[grand ridge]

it sounds like doing mission table + alt army will be worth it this upcoming patch

for gold making

I hope they dont nerf that

random off topic thing

[woven ruin]

Vault is just dumb. Have lvl 6 doom, and it gives me 3 cloaks and 2 necks. None an upgrade

[upbeat needle]

buddy

[pale plank]

The usual, I feel like they should make the vault have a guaranteed upgrade for u or something u don’t have

[drifting cloud]

lmao

[woven ruin]

I've seen 1 dagger since Xmas...

[winter vapor]

clutch necrolord heirmir trait when you hit enrage timer and the boss is sub 1% ^^

[uneven hamlet]

at least you have seen one

[harsh lantern]

weird

anyone use this thing

[fierce wind]

how much are people pooling with EP/vigor even on single target?

[full tendon]

Does the game force you to catch up on other shards before you get a third of any particular set?

[wintry mica]

no

[uneven hamlet]

nop, the rank 5 is bigger than anything

else

[full tendon]

4 chars, every one seems to get 2 of each before getting a third

I meant the drops

[wintry mica]

shard drops are random as far as im aware

[uneven hamlet]

oh

[full tendon]

I'm chasing the shards, not the rank up

[wintry mica]

although both my alts had 2 of each set before finishing one

[full tendon]

Getting very annoyed, lol

Just got a god damn blood, when I need third frost

Would even settle for third unholy

[uneven hamlet]

domination thing is scuffed tbh

it will drop don't worry

[full tendon]

Same thing happened on monk, warr, hunter

[uneven hamlet]

i'd advise you to hold your embers too, and only spend on your bis set

guess upgrading a random set to r2 while u get your bis should be good too

[alpine latch]

I'm so shocked that they are improving Shard drop rate but not changing how many Embers we get each week

[lavish lichen]

First thing in faq

[full tendon]

Yeah, I'm saving for frost

But just annoyed this is taking so long

Watch this, Sylv is gonna gimme the third blood rather than frost or unholy, lol

[cerulean nest]

finally that sweet sweet r5 set

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oxk5bUpG6cXSQnzEzVVTKN

[winter vapor]

quick things to look out for/do on heroic sylv :x

[full tendon]

It was third blood. -_-

[brazen zodiac]

does anyone have a CE focused guild on area52

[scenic root]

Not the best place to ask, since most CE guilds could swing 1 rogue but very unlikely to take a 2nd for a good comp.

[brazen zodiac]

yeah ur right

[limber lion]

Massive

[balmy condor]

also not the channel btw, we have a #recruitment channel

[cinder grove]

is CT worth using on KT ?

[hasty siren]

Fuck i am so angry because the unholy set got rekt when i was already rank 4 on all.

Frost set is killing it!

[balmy condor]

not really

[slim pebble]

One of my key friends has gotten a 252 phial and shadowgrasp in back to back weeks and I’ve gotten 2, 252 IQDs back to back

[full tendon]

I'm still using 2 246 upgraded crit/mas daggers ;_;

You can have my 252 totem

For a dagger

[slim pebble]

I do have 2x 252 crit/mast daggers

[full tendon]

I'd be fine if they were 252

Just unhappy none in vault

And spent all valor on them and phial

[obtuse robin]

unlucky times

[placid pagoda]

So you literally slam cd’s on cool down ?

[violet jackal]

for the most part yes

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[placid pagoda]

Thanks cev

[limber lion]

No problem, Chris

[placid pagoda]

Am I right in saying slam them as long as your going to get full use of the ability correct? I.e not using flag on an ad at 10% etc

[limber lion]

That is correct, you want full value out of the skills you use

12s of Flag, 20s of Vend and 9s of Shiv

[balmy condor]

12s of shiv

[limber lion]

oops

midraid on my insane alt rogue

brain very mush yes

[ebon notch]

so much for finishing all your weekly shit

ive got one whole key done on rogue

[frosty cedar]

shiv is not 9s?

[limber lion]

It is

[placid pagoda]

Sweet - thanks sir

[oak sky]

I just follow sync first and last

Except i cba to pay attention to fight timers and sync last

[ebon notch]

the amount of time i spent going through logs doing timings and shit

for vendetta

smh

[oak sky]

Dude

I dont want to use my brain

[ebon notch]

@kind talon was giga tilted after yesterday LMAO

[oak sky]

Kt was so shit man

They argued about it for an hour after raid

[ebon notch]

i said they should take a dps out

lmao

from the intermission

cause you were overkilling it

[dim estuary]

how many time did you tried PF to get phial ? D:

[ebon notch]

once

havent gotten poxstorm yet tho

sadge

[spice spire]

31

44 for the pox

[steel geyser]

28 on rogue, 3 on dh

[flat pike]

where can i post my fight logs for someone to look at and offer criticism?

[dim estuary]

holy

any rogue/drood/dh can come help me to get it xD

[pure moth]

You link them in the spec channels prospectively.

[flat pike]

ok so i can just post them right here?

[pure moth]

Yes

[flat pike]

ok thanks. Here is the heroic sylvannas fight logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TfzX1HmxyDc9BGdZ#fight=7&type=damage-done&source=197

Any feedback greatly appreciated

[oak sky]

@ebon notch we had someone dead in intermission once and we just barely failed the push, we'll see what happens tomorrow

[ebon notch]

if you lack damage

you get someone to save their first pot

you dont send another donw there

[oak sky]

Yeah

Comp might be changing a little bit

We were missing our arcane mage who probably would blast the adds

But still either way it should work

[ebon notch]

you should have hit p2

at least once

like

idk

[flat pike]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[flat pike]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[ripe saddle]

how do you sim diff between spectral + MH shadowcore oil vs 2 sharp stone + agi pot

[limber lion]

?

[limber lion]

You can just do multiple quick sims with different setups

Or you can use this to sim all combos:

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[ripe saddle]

tysm : )

pastebin be empty D:

[shy dust]

the link works fine for me

[balmy condor]

Works fine for me too on mobile

[ripe saddle]

o

fialed on chrome

worked on firefox

[limber lion]

Works fine for me on chrome

[ripe saddle]

i swear i wasnt trolling xD

[ebon notch]

thats one hell of an ultrawide

[oak sky]

Triple monitor no?

[peak bobcat]

so for Sylv Mythic do we have Vendetta for both boss burns in p2?

[arctic walrus]

I dont get some of these people who like try and live vicariously through someone, even down to their gear

[ebon notch]

no

use on add on first platform

then 2nd burn

[oak sky]

hey did you know that ceverion plays for method @arctic walrus

[arctic walrus]

omg this is him?? he's in this disc??

[oak sky]

hes probably my favorite player

[ebon notch]

LMAOO

i simp for cev whenever i can

[oak sky]

yeah thats him

hes crazy

tbh

[drifting cloud]

you can use both burns ...

[arctic walrus]

I probably dont wanna @ him, high profile and all 😅

[oak sky]

i wish i had that emote

he always uses

for this situation

[drifting cloud]

but its like a guild assignment not really have to wing it

[ebon notch]

you can but cev told me to use it on cd

🤷‍♂️

[ebon notch]

yeah i assigned myself to goliath because we werent killing it

idk if we'll move it to burn

but its helping us move along in terms of prog so w.e

[vestal chasm]

Should we still be simming with BS/DS?

[peak bobcat]

RL is asking if I would have for both burns is all

[red plaza]

Guys guys I’m also here

[drifting cloud]

51 lfr kills

[red plaza]

Mog is the true end game

[oak sky]

i have 0

[drifting cloud]

surely doing vault lfrs on leather alts would be easier to get the mog 😛

[red plaza]

….shit I fucked up

No wonder it’s taking so long

[vestal chasm]

anyone?

[cursive silo]

You can sim whatever you play lol

You can even compare both

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

omg its ceverion my most favorite rogue

[obtuse robin]

i saw that

[oak sky]

i didnt want to clutter up the chat

lol

[ebon notch]

what did he do this time

[oak sky]

if i had the emote i would do that

[obtuse robin]

spamming chat with giant emote

[oak sky]

"spamming"

i put in

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[oak sky]

peeposhy gif

[ebon notch]

[oak sky]

^

the one with the fez is so good though

[brazen zodiac]

hello black

[ivory hinge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2zfZU7GRrAo3YELpaiQsNw WTB sylv dagger. pst

[ebon notch]

we all do homie

we all do

[obtuse robin]

hey vit

[bleak sky]

Tried it today, didn't work 3 out of 3 times

[cobalt pelican]

huh

[bleak sky]

outer people got yeeted into the oblivion

F

[cobalt pelican]

were they facing the right way still

[bleak sky]

ya

[cobalt pelican]

do you publico log

[bleak sky]

no, gotta check it one sec

4 min, pulling rn

[drifting cloud]

https://wago.io/fixedbtw

[cobalt pelican]

ya use that, but i'm like 99% sure they're the exact same

[drifting cloud]

then the dispelling priest probably had it

[cobalt pelican]

nah he's using my old crusty one

and tbf

one of my weakauras

did have inner/outer the wrong way around day 1

but it was fixed

[drifting cloud]

[cobalt pelican]

so hopefully i didn't link him that one

[drifting cloud]

hes getting his lawyers

[cobalt pelican]

this is my defense

[ebon notch]

"your honour, nobody has actually used it"

[bleak sky]

this is the one I used

[cobalt pelican]

grab the one ryler linked

and report back 100% success rate

[bleak sky]

naw, guild wants to kill me for baiting them now

[cobalt pelican]

lmao

can you link your log to me

i'm curious if it's just backwards

because that'd be hilarious if it was

[bleak sky]

I can't 😦

[cobalt pelican]

fug

[bleak sky]

do you need something from the logs?

point me to the direction and I can get ya probably

[cobalt pelican]

just go to Dispels -> Events

and hopefully your guild has automarking on