huh
#assassination
drifting cloud
yeah, he made one that tells you where to go this week but its unlisted so not sure if im allowed to link
cobalt pelican
do it for the people in need
drifting cloud
im scared of the belt
I just assumed it wasnt some hidden tech since alot of people used it even 1st week
cobalt pelican
for guilds still going through progress/find that boss hard i think they are actually just pranked by blizzard
cause the weakaura i linked is public
like if you search 04 remnant dispels on wago it's like the 3rd link uploaded by wait but it only made very short circulation before the '''hotfix''' and then got buried by causeses like.. who can get back best logic aura
fathom flax
I’ve definitely got the wa that tells you to stand close/far/ping pong
And I am no one special haha
drifting cloud
that one just assigns on class im pretty sure
fathom flax
Oh is there a different / better one? Is it just a shadow step timer or something?
cobalt pelican
yeah the one you have is the causese one i mentioned
it just checks who has gapclosers and assigns/if nobody has says pingpong
fathom flax
Yeah it’s pretty good
cobalt pelican
the original one just tells you where to stand and you don't have to use gapclosers ever
fathom flax
That with a mass dispel cast wa you just tunnel boss
cobalt pelican
and there's no pingpong option cause it's not needed
fathom flax
Oh haha
sudden brook
sinful citrus
Finally got soulrender down got a 96% parse basically ignoring the adds
The frost set on that fight is hilarious I hit one of the adds for over 100k
drifting cloud
yeah that will help
sinful citrus
Just got the r5 set too lol
indigo valley
What is a good way to check how my P1 damage is stacking up against other assa rogues who are tunneling boss on sylv?
arctic walrus
dense hamlet
drifting cloud
What is a good way to check how my P1 damage is stacking up against other assa r...
shouldnt matter? you have to stop dps in p1 anyways
half the tries I dont even use 2nd cds
drifting cloud
yes
indigo valley
oh ok so theres a different problem for us then
indigo valley
2nd day
ebon notch
im hard carrying boss damage in my sylv prog p1
drifting cloud
my rule of thumb was the 2nd to last veil if shes under 87% im probably just afk
ebon notch
like im 250k above the next guy consistently
so i just hard swap to 3rd set of sentinels
sinful citrus
Yeah I ment not using CT or swapping to them
indigo valley
Ok that makes me feel a little better then, how many raid nights did it take you guys to get into p2 consistently?
indigo valley
Fair enough xD
drifting cloud
just depends how much you int p3 once the pulls become longer
unless youre also inting p1 from the start
so thats why some guilds kill this boss in 70 tries and some kill it in 200
we did it in 110 and atleast it felt like we struggled a bit in p1
but she died 2nd try we got to 4th platform
drowsy parcel
p3 is the easy part i think
indigo valley
is p2 harder?
drowsy parcel
its just that everyone tenses up because there is a lot at "stake" or whatever so they choke
drifting cloud
it is, except that 30s wombo combo on 3rd platform
when youre just getting blasted by dmg and cant fail the immune soak
indigo valley
so like p2 p1 p3 in terms of difficulty?
cobalt pelican
i still feel like we're gonna wipe on last soaks like every pull somehow
drowsy parcel
p1 p2 kinda same same i think, theres just a lot of personal mechanic stuff thats easy to fail on
bleak sky
the original one just tells you where to stand and you don't have to use gapclos...
can I get uhhhhhhhhhh link
cobalt pelican
bleak sky
thanks I'm dumb
fossil kiln
just wanna double check, we refresh rupture <9 secs right?
balmy condor
!pandemic
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
clear shadow
soulrender pog
cobalt pelican
9.5-10ish
cobalt pelican
ye
i don't think i've actually seen a log that's above 10k but quite a lot that are like 9.6 9.7
cobalt pelican
no sorry for p3 sylv
echo geyser
would be cool if u could sort by p3 dmg haha
cobalt pelican
ye
cobalt pelican
i might pass 250 next reset
drifting cloud
im 247.5
cobalt pelican
wooooo
damn you're even more scuffed than me
tbh my guild has been spoonfeeding me gear it feels like
bleak sky
253 ilvl helps
259 edge of night
cobalt pelican
i have no idea how my ilvl is still so bad
cobalt pelican
i guess cause i'm using a normal sylv dagger in offhand
fossil kiln
30% of duration
the phrasing is weird. is it 30% of the original, 30% of the remaining, or 30% of the new one?
oak sky
250 unreal
drifting cloud
I rather have the golds than 40 dps
ebon notch
I bought BOE legs and replaced them same week with painsmith legs
It's how it is sometimes
oak sky
Seems like most of my guild is 248-250 and we're starting kt prog monday
Im slowly catching up 
tiny saddle
I bought BOE legs and replaced them same week with painsmith legs
Dammn that sucks
glad mist
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Critical Strike >= Haste > Versatility > Mastery
Note: Having a frost set equipped makes crit much better, usually making it your best stat by a good margin.
ebon notch
Dammn that sucks
I started boosting almost every day to compensate for the gold lost
I will not be mocked by fate like that
oak sky
Just remember you made some shitter with no money's day
slow marsh
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
kind talon
I will not be mocked by fate like that
Technically u were mocked by painsmith
Dropping the legs
tiny saddle
hey does anyone have tips on heroic sylvanas?
i beat her already, but my parse is so shit. was just wondering if there were certain things to do or to wait for that would increase my parse with her lol
balmy condor
Pad p2 harder
Pump p1 and p3
Dunno
It’s basically single target, then you can pad aoe in p2
And then it’s single target again
Just try to keep thing on cooldown and not waste CDs
tiny saddle
with phase 2 i was always told to just focus the souljudge or whatever so thats what ive been doing
balmy condor
Yeh but you’re not trying to do the fight properly
You’re trying to parse
So you gotta be degenerate
tiny saddle
you right you right
slow marsh
You can focus the soul judge without popping cds
reef axle
Ended up with 6.1k on Sylvanis but no one was logging 😦 still would of been a decent parse for me
arctic walrus
glass tulip
Finally started doing +19/+20 keys and it feels so good to not feel like im holding the group back
averaging 8.5-9.5k damage
arctic walrus
heavy coral
cobalt hemlock
how big of a difference does it make between a 235 legendary and 262 legendary
in dps
flat badger
just stats, no change in the legendary effect.
so... depends on what your stat weights are.
cobalt hemlock
kinda terrible i always pick the items with highest itlvl. and never pick anything with mastery if i can and i still have 40% mastery
north basin
53% crit unbuff, finally -_-
fallen arch
Is that even what you want
Doesnt shit DR so bad at that point you kinda want other stats instead?
Not trolling, genuine question
north basin
its worse than 48% crit ofc
just for sake of number xD
with better gear i bet i can go 58% crit with theotar tea xD
pseudo hamlet
lol, for me at about ~44-45% of crit haste is getting slightly higher
north basin
they even out for me at 48-49% crit
tired vessel
Pad p2 harder
Wonder where you learned this from 🤭
dim estuary
averaging 8.5-9.5k damage
What's your stats /trinkets ?
quasi venture
Ye for a bit. But you should go in with 5 cps and shadowstep her during her bdsm intermission and put a rupture on her
tiny saddle
One last question
When people say to pad during p2
Do they mean just dot tf outta every add on p2 instead of just focusing souljudge
placid dawn
grand ridge
also keep in mind if ads are getting absolutely recked you won't parse as well with CT and you can't do anything about it save asking your other dps to not dps
limber lion
Never ever take CT on Sylvanas
@tiny saddle
Also, look into your cooldown usage. It is the single most important thing in that fight.
Knowing when to use cooldowns and when to hold them.
empty pasture
Like Kenny Rogers
zinc frost
I’ll admit, I took the CT bait early on in sylv pulls when I saw some people running it.
grand ridge
if your group has poopy aoe it might be worth it from a parse perspective
tiny saddle
Lol i was actually looking at your necro rogue logs earlier
When do you pot btw?
On sylv
limber lion
Beginning and with lust on third platform in p3.
You can also pot on the first summoner pack to get it back for lust in p3
But I always forget to do it myself
:p
tiny saddle
Oh i just saw that you were using spectral agility
limber lion
Yes, always use spectral agility potions.
zinc frost
I think the cool down usage you said Cev is one of the biggest issues imo, she has so many mini phases that can waste flag, vendetta etc.
limber lion
Yep
zinc frost
My first pulls were absolute garbage when I wasn’t timing anything well haha
tiny saddle
When you say always use do you mean for every raid boss or just her specifically
limber lion
You can't really press everything on cooldown on that fight.
limber lion
When you say always use do you mean for every raid boss or just her specifically
Always
Everywhere
On every boss
With every talent setup
In raids, in m+, in Torghast
EVERYWHERE
tiny saddle
Shit ive been using oils with phantom fire for most bosses
limber lion
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
hardy dagger
Hey Cev what's your opinion on CT for mythic sylv prog 
limber lion
Hey Cev what's your opinion on CT for mythic sylv prog <:peeposhrug:657382266921...
No.
It's bad and you shouldn't use it.
mystic fractal
for M ner'zhul, is shadowstep consistent enough for displacement on mass dispel?
you prob have to face the inside guy right
limber lion
P3 is the most important part and you're handicapping yourself by playing CT.
CT is even worse with Dashing Scoundrel than Doomblade
limber lion
for M ner'zhul, is shadowstep consistent enough for displacement on mass dispel?
Yes, it's fine
Just don't be on the very edge.
hardy dagger
Tried both and I agree my boss dmg was solid af while playing pb
limber lion
You should be focusing on maximizing single target damage as much as possible
burnt star
for M ner'zhul, is shadowstep consistent enough for displacement on mass dispel?
Make sure u have the mass dispel w.a (the one with the m.d cast bar)
limber lion
For the burns and p3.
mystic fractal
i guess i'm confused how it works if you end up not being the first knockback since it teleports you behind the other guy with the debuff, wouldnt he get knocked off by yours going off
hardy dagger
limber lion
i guess i'm confused how it works if you end up _not_ being the first knockback ...
Huh?
You Mass Dispel them, which dispels both of the bombs at the same time.
burnt star
With the w.a u can press shadowstep when timer hits 0.5-0.1 and u wont. Even move.. depends on your input lag too
limber lion
It does not teleport you behind the other guy or anything
mystic fractal
ok i guess i am misunderstanding the change to MD
mystic fractal
i thought they did not go off exactly simultaneous
limber lion
They said they did, but they didn't.
No, they said that they changed how the player ID worked
So it was completely random instead of working consistently off of pID
But they didn't implement the change, even though they said they did.
burnt star
We are bringing boss near the 2 mass dispel too. So u can just shadowstep it
mystic fractal
great, thanks so much for your help yall
limber lion
If you have a cheaty weak aura, just keep using it
mystic fractal
sorry to be confusing
we did one night of ping pong last night for our first night and it was r u f f
bleak sky
ping pong is 
tiny saddle
Does anyone here use maim n mangle
bleak sky
no
tiny saddle
I rarely see it on logs but when i sim it its better than my other conduits (aside from wps)
bleak sky
in raidbots we trust 
sonic schooner
Maim is great if u play doomblade
tiny saddle
Yeah i run doom
I wouldve thought sudden fractures would be better but then again mines only at 213
Idk how people have it at 252
limber lion
By using the Adamant Vaults upgrade tokens as well as buying them from the Korthia vendor.
green ledge
Korthia grind. Once you have tier 6 you have so much research that you can upgrade alot to 252
alpine latch
You'll have the CR to buy all of your conduits to 252 by the time you hit Rank 6. By time I got to Rank 6 I bought all of the conduits + 3 sockets
tiny saddle
God theres so much grinding required
arctic hare
Indeed
green ledge
Not too bad when you get used to using the group finder to shard hop for rares
bleak sky
rank 6? couldn't be me
fallen arch
You'll have the CR to buy all of your conduits to 252 by the time you hit Rank 6...
Did you? I'm not even close..
5 sockets + a shit ton of conduits, but I still need to max out a lot of em
Ofc all the finesse and endurance go first in the lottery
tired vessel
Yeh. I wasnt close. 3 sockets + 15k banked for later sockets (only 5 conduits) and I was able to maybe upgrade...halfish to max?
prisma cypress
the codex grind is so stupid, i decided to forget about conduit upgrades and just use soul cinders for the socket things from deaths advance
i'll be exalted with DA before i'm even halfway through tier 4 on the codex
fallen arch
The stupiddest thing about it in my opinion, is that once you max it out you're not even close to done with it
I don't mind a grind, but that shit is just cruel
alpine latch
Did you? I'm not even close..
Really? With the new upgrade system being spec-specific, I got them all knocked out
I had WPS to 252 from raid and all of the raid drops to 239
So maybe that's why?
I got mine done after the spec-specific changes. That's probably why it was a bit cheaper for me
fallen arch
I had WPS to 252 from raid and all of the raid drops to 239
I’ve had like 1 239 drop from raid
alpine latch
RNG is RNG mang...
fallen arch
At least I have a 252 phial and like nine 236 ones 
ebon notch
Technically u were mocked by painsmith
Legs were super good for me
alpine latch
I got a 246 Phial .. It's good enough for me
spice spire
One phial? Okay peasant.
I have bags filled with phials homie. I buy full boosts just to funnel the phial to me so I can get me 67th. And you think one is good enough? Kids have it easy these days smh
spice spire
Cba until 252
alpine latch
lol
I also looted two heroic EoNs within 72 hours of each other
Looted one on a heroic raid on my Alliance rogue on a Saturday and then got it on my Horde rogue from Vault on the Tuesday
Still can't get optimal Dom sockets to save my life though
ornate dawn
Just get good drops 5head
spice spire
I finally got the heroic KT shoulders just in time for frost to raise above unholy
alpine latch
nice
spice spire
R4 in a week 
alpine latch
Downside of only being an AotC raider... I didn't rush to upgrade my gems. lol
It paid off in the end
spice spire
I had to hard carry my group so I rushed unholy r5
alpine latch
Oh, I put the guild on my back
spice spire
So now I’m behind 
alpine latch
I was like 1k higher than anyone on Ner'zhul and Painsmith
grand ridge
being a big fish in a small pond can be fun
I am on the same boat with my guild lol
we started heroic last week
spice spire
I was like 1k higher than anyone on Ner'zhul and Painsmith
Then I had to start raid leading
grand ridge
I like the guild more than I care about progression
alpine latch
My guild should have had AotC a month ago. We've just been losing people to deep Mythic Prog guilds because they are losing members and stealing ours
spice spire
That’s my thoughts as well - I don’t do it for the ego boost
grand ridge
but uhh
spice spire
I do it because I like the people I play with. We’ll get it eventually
fallen arch
4 weeks ago:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nHCwB9rgKN3vtDz4#fight=24&typ...
You wasted 2 cp with mut dude what up
alpine latch
I'm not a "beating everyone by 2k" rogue. My guild has some decent people (plus I suck)
But there's one of my 1k smashes
fallen arch
Hehe the more pressing thing is swapping garrote and rup in ur opener
spice spire
Yeye, that’s a really bad habit of mine
grand ridge
my item level parses are like pvp twinking... my itemization is perfect and my best sim really sacrifices some ilvl
alpine latch
You wasted 2 cp with mut dude what up
@fallen arch Feel free to critique my log above. I'm kinda ass myself.
fallen arch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y1axF2WqB8HyCKXD#fight=8&type=damage-done
Wait
Dude
U have two priests
alpine latch
Having priests and having good priests are not the same thing
fallen arch
Ye but slapping Pi on a tank isn’t hard
spice spire
Yeah
alpine latch
Kedesha (our GM) is sick af right now
spice spire
Actually what the fuck
fallen arch
Or u knw on you
alpine latch
She struggled super hard all night
fallen arch
That sucks
alpine latch
She'd stop moving because she was coughing up a lung for a good 5-7 seconds
Then sometimes she'd be dead
Because she wasn't moving out of stuff
I don't know how to pad on KT
I gotta figure that out
I assume CT is a major part of it
grand ridge
dont be phylactery group
grand ridge
i have the same problem
spice spire
Yep
alpine latch
I'm #1 on every mechanics list
violet jackal
Rupture anything and everything
spice spire
Phylactery group = hardstuck purp
spice spire
Rupture anything and everything
violet jackal
I got Orange while phoyacteru
alpine latch
I also don't think I ran CT
harsh lantern
I got orange on downer group too
cloud reef
yeah its fine to go down
fallen arch
Having priests and having good priests are not the same thing
Make a WA/Macro for her that u use on Vendetta
So that she only has to press something to give u PI
Then at least it's not wasted
spice spire
@violet jackal not holding CDs for phylactery?
harsh lantern
drowsy parcel
kt doesnt count for all stars or average %, just embrace the blue log
harsh lantern
No points for kt? I just noticed XD
violet jackal
<@!154263556882169856> not holding CDs for phylactery? <:rooThink:55508448047844...
I only trinket down there
hollow escarp
KT and Tarra are meme bosses so won't count
harsh lantern
fine with me they both suck
grand ridge
that resource reduction power is rediculous
I got that last week holy crap
it must be super rare
alpine latch
Fatescribe is bullshit too, IMO
I literally have to do every rune because my guild can't be trusted to do them
Fuck that boss
spice spire
It depends on how many go down, we have only 3-4 go down out of 20
harsh lantern
TRU
violet jackal
The one time I did a rune I was surprised I still got a 95
harsh lantern
gamer mode
fallen arch
U did a rune one time ?
violet jackal
Yea someone died so I sprinted over
fallen arch
And otherwise you never do runes?
violet jackal
Correct
fallen arch
I have to do 2-3 like every pull
harsh lantern
damn rip
fallen arch
How can you never have to do them
hollow escarp
doing runes is the fun part on that encounter
grand ridge
I am assigned to runes in p1 and 2, and I am the counter clockwise person
violet jackal
By doing enough damage that you get a pass
harsh lantern
just say I’m not gonna do em
spice spire
You want to push as hard as possible
grand ridge
so basically I dont have to do them
fallen arch
just say I’m not gonna do em
Let me apply to your guild pls
The thing is, ppl that do dam usually are also best at doing mechanics
harsh lantern
Let me apply to your guild pls
I don’t do heroic with a guild we hardstuck mythic
violet jackal
Also I don’t use weak auras or add ons so I can’t be assigned when groups do that
harsh lantern
Nerzhul 😂
spice spire
I tried that, 97 parsing a wipe doesn’t matter if you wipe
fallen arch
ye
fallen arch
Also I don’t use weak auras or add ons so I can’t be assigned when groups do tha...
Wow ok, that's a method as well..
harsh lantern
team player
slow marsh
Fatescribe is hard to parse anyways since the preferred way to do the fight is to soak the adds and you know the parsers are killing them
grand ridge
yeah my guild does not do the cheese even though its easier
violet jackal
If you soak the first one and get an immediate phasing it actually lines up super well for a high parse
spice spire
Cba i chimp out every other raid these days
harsh lantern
I’m just running at nerzhul with no priests all weekend maybe it dies this week 
ping ponger 
violet jackal
I have 20 kills on remnant and never been in a mass dispel group T_T
harsh lantern
on mythic?
violet jackal
Heroic.
No one accepts my application for mythic even though I’m a super saiyan
alpine latch
We don't mass dispel or ping pong
harsh lantern
yeah I’ve done it a bunch on heroic
alpine latch
We just run across the room and reset and do it again
harsh lantern
My guild is just hard stuck mythic rn
prisma lark
We just run across the room and reset and do it again
wat
whole pilot
that sounds incredibly inefficient
harsh lantern
ping pong feels bad I can’t imagine that
alpine latch
It's really not that bad
I shadow step the fight one and position myself as best I can to not lose dps time on the second
spice spire
Yo Palmer your group is WILDIN for that one chief
violet jackal
I shadow step the fight one and position myself as best I can to not lose dps ti...
I do the reverse
prisma lark
idk what's the benefit of walking back vs pingpong?
harsh lantern
Think this was our best attempt last time
But it’s so boring
Half the group from lfg
prisma lark
I mean if it works it works, but it's inefficient imo since it's making everybody walk instead of just letting them fly 2 times
harsh lantern
so doomed
spice spire
You’re fucking guardian Druid healing
alpine latch
I mean if it works it works, but it's inefficient imo since it's making everybod...
You're right, but it would save us maybe 20s
spice spire
What the fuck
alpine latch
It works for us, so we do it
harsh lantern
What the fuck
Mine?
harsh lantern
yeah he’s a live lord
prisma lark
You're right, but it would save us maybe 20s
I mean yea in hc it's irrelevant but for mythic I'd say rather pingpong with no priests than walking back
harsh lantern
I’ve never heard of that other option
prisma lark
you can see in the log he posted that it works, at least in hc, but for mythic it's just not efficient. on the other hand if you're not running 1-2 priests you're not efficient either
harsh lantern
Yeah we’re definitely not efficient
alpine latch
My guild isn't good at pixel stacking
harsh lantern
Hardest boss for us is 20 man group
prisma lark
how is this winds of winter crit % legal btw
vestal wren
oh wow, you got rly lucky with crits
drowsy parcel
prisma lark
also that boss is a damn baylade do I really have 20% miss on melees there LOL? didn't even notice that till now
shrewd helm
How much crit is too much crit?
prisma lark
<:PEEK:701199446737944710>
crit
prisma lark
oh wow, you got rly lucky with crits
yea, right? I still don't get how this was the best try of the evening for me personally damage wise
prisma lark
true, couldn't do low damage even if I wanted 
can't wait for my r5 gems tho still gonna be like 3 more weeks 
spice spire
How much crit is too much crit?
Whenever you sim and it doesn’t want crit anymore
There’s no set number
tired vessel
Over 100% is too much fosho.
shrewd helm
Whenever you sim and it doesn’t want crit anymore
I’m running 37% atm but only at 11% haste
slow marsh
well what does your top gear say
spice spire
I’m running 37% atm but only at 11% haste
Top gear will lead you brother
manic pebble
yo just got salvaged amp
when do you pop it tho in the opener?
sync it with flag?
alpine latch
I'm so disappointed by our tier set remodel
spice spire
I like it
slim pebble
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
wintry mica
I'm so disappointed by our tier set remodel
I cant decide how i feel about it, the black smoke effect looks pretty cool
alpine latch
It looks good for a set
Just IMO, not for a rogue set
Nothing says stealth like bulky ass bracers/gloves/shoulders and face spikes
wintry mica
true but we already knew it was gunna look like that
its not the worst of the recolors at least imo
manic pebble
I'm so disappointed by our tier set remodel
where can I see it?
oh you mean the raid mog?
wintry mica
Yea the t20
alpine latch
Ours is t6
But yeah
t6 recolor
I'd, personally, rather have seen an upgrade Bloodfang
lunar otter
any one run dashin in keys?
alpine latch
Zoldyck is the best by far IMO. Obe is decent
wintry mica
Maybe more viable on tyr weeks but I just stick with zoldyck for basically every key
wintry mica
yea when using it though I felt like by the time im ready to start hitting env on trash packs they are mostly dead
or you have to env early and delay your bleeds
zinc frost
Zoldyck is just too good, going to be even better with 9.1.5
lavish lichen
Im excited for 9.1.5
Gonna be wild
I feel like our damage will be kinda nuts in higher fort keys
wintry mica
i think for most of the time it wont really be that big of a difference
outside of higher keys where you are like double or triple pulling there arent that many pulls with 9 or more targets
stray mural
yea when using it though I felt like by the time im ready to start hitting env o...
I’ve learned to just spend cp on rupture and ct with the occasional env to up slice
wintry mica
yea it made dashing feel bad on trash
stray mural
Yeah
wintry mica
either i delay a rupture to get the dashing buff up or i get no benefit for 75% of the trash pull
stray mural
I’d even argue that if you wanted to play a single target legendary in keys, db is better
It’s sad that dashing doesn’t get play outside of raid because it’s fun
wintry mica
or just use obe if you dont have zoldyck for whatever reason
stray mural
moment
stray mural
I haven’t had problems playing Necro but I’m heavily considering the swap
brazen zodiac
hi raymuss
wintry mica
ill probably stay venth for most stuff but will be hopping around after 9.1.5
wintry mica
hi raymuss
hey!
wintry mica
its friday so I cant complain
brazen zodiac
we got soul to 17 last night we for sure kill him
wintry mica
u?
brazen zodiac
this week
wintry mica
oh nice
brazen zodiac
kinda sad and anxious but ill copeb
wintry mica
we had like 4 no shows to our raid last night so we would have had to pug people for soul
stray mural
Necro is keys as assa feels weird
wintry mica
so we ended up doing a scuffed alt heroic lol
zinc frost
Necro is keys as assa feels weird
It feels amazing imo
limber lion
Necro is keys as assa feels weird
Wtf Necro is godsend in m+
It's literally the best covenant for m+
brazen zodiac
the God has spoken
wintry mica
the real homies play kyrian for m+
brazen zodiac
it is clear
odd heath
Necro feels so smooth in m+
wintry mica
it also feels nice just in open world shit
stray mural
Garrotte four times, Crimson tempest, spike, spike, rupture, spike, rupture
You almost don’t even press fan of knives in the pack is half dead
limber lion
Too low of a key
stray mural
20?
limber lion
If the pack is dead before you finish your opener, then yes
But idk, I just did like 17's on my necro alt and packs definitely don't instadie like that xd
esp on fort weeks
brazen zodiac
fuck dis week
subtle tundra
true
wintry mica
i have 0 keys on any of my characters so far this week lol
this might be a one and done week for me
brazen zodiac
does anyone have a set focus marco that reminds me haha
subtle tundra
i wanna push but cba this week
limber lion
I still need to get 2k score on my second rogue and warrior
What's wrong with this week?
subtle tundra
necrotic, sanguine
limber lion
Sanguine is easy, Necro is fine
brazen zodiac
it requires me to play the game actually :(
subtle tundra
people dont play?
limber lion
But does it though?
wintry mica
sanguine makes me wish i still played druid
limber lion
Neither of those affixes actually matter to you
subtle tundra
yea
limber lion
They're both tank affixes
brazen zodiac
that is for sure
subtle tundra
spiteful >>>> a lot
brazen zodiac
no
subtle tundra
i actually like it
limber lion
Spiteful is the worst affix in the game
lavish lichen
Spiteful = outlaw week
brazen zodiac
spiteful emotionally triggers me bro
drowsy parcel
spiteful for necro is giga
subtle tundra
nah
wintry mica
spiteful is annoying
subtle tundra
spiteful is better than necrotic
drowsy parcel
do you want spiteful secret tech
brazen zodiac
can't use half ur rotation
wintry mica
you can take tiny dancing shoes to make it pretty ignorable though
drowsy parcel
tiny dancing shoes
drowsy parcel
2 free dodges
lavish lichen
Hit them with your 20ft long arms
brazen zodiac
yeah
subtle tundra
Man imagine not being able to use Subterfuge every other pack
that barely matters 🙂
brazen zodiac
spiteful in SD gauntlet
limber lion
Spiteful just slows down everything by a ton, the shits oneshot you
limber lion
Idk
wintry mica
just stay back until the spitefuls die and you can usually restealth even if the tank pulled another pack
lavish lichen
Spiteful rarely slows you down
limber lion
You can always kite during necro
lavish lichen
Except in the dungeons where the rooms are locked
stray mural
that barely matters 🙂
I like my empowered garrotes tho
subtle tundra
I like my empowered garrotes tho
dmg wise, its not that much
wintry mica
it is though
limber lion
It is not though
lavish lichen
If you treat spiteful similar to bolstering you’ll have a much easier time
subtle tundra
there was someone that did some sims and like 0 restealths is -200 dps only
brazen zodiac
it just sucks when ur tryna start a boss
brazen zodiac
dude i ran SD like 50 times it sucked during the gauntlet
but yeah that is great shit
def pwned
brazen zodiac
i am now a proud owner of every piece of gear from SD and plaguefall lmfao
subtle tundra
if you get the dot from the boss on you you're gonna fuck your healer up
brazen zodiac
and every dagger
zinc frost
i actually like it
I agree, spiteful doesn’t bother me as much as it did at the start.
subtle tundra
only thing i didnt like about spiteful was all those mega aoe specs padding on them
and making me look bad on the meters
brazen zodiac
ray i ran plafuefall and got 2 dominas in like a day or two
but ran sd 500 times and didn't get 1 dagger
brazen zodiac
then i passed out like 2 nights ago, woke up with the upmost need to do a SD and i got it lmfao
dude i straight up remember like a month ago getting 3 daggers in one day and then 3 a few days ago
this is where all my edge of night luck is going qq
wintry mica
sounds like i just need to run some keys with you lmao
brazen zodiac
the other rogue in my guild said he took off EoN cause it "sucked" apparently
he's outlaw so idk
wintry mica
yea oh edge is bis for outlaw so that guys big dumb
brazen zodiac
on god if u say sd ur on ur own if i step foot in that place i may explode
wintry mica
lmao
i cant run any right now since im still "at work"
but i need whichever one drops a dagger
dont really need anything else from m+ lol
brazen zodiac
plaguefall drops the best imo its heavy crit and mastery so good for both
brazen zodiac
at least that's what my sims of pure cope say
alpine latch
For most of us PF gives us the best ring, dagger, and trinket in the game.
brazen zodiac
dude all my luck goes into m+
brazen zodiac
got the trinket my 4th run, the daggers twice, the ring
im still rocking my funny 252 iqd
wintry mica
thats some big crit at least lol
wintry mica
I dont know why but i liked amp
its boring but the damage was at least noticeable when you popped it
brazen zodiac
im kinda new right so
when relic was like ok
i didn't peep it was a use trinket
LMFAO
wintry mica
lol
I did first 3 in our alt raid last night on my druid and realized i didnt have my IQD bound or macrod to anything afterwards
brazen zodiac
lmfao
wintry mica
hes also still convoke moonkin so all sorts of issues there lol
brazen zodiac
the weak aura helps so much tbh
wintry mica
yea i might do the quest to swap to venth and actually give it a try now, I swapped back to nf on it before i even got the venth leggo
wintry mica
on my druid lol
brazen zodiac
oh haha
slow marsh
ur trolling
I had the same reaction 🤣
wintry mica
yea i like ardenweald as a zone
brazen zodiac
venthyr makes me uncomfortable its like kinda sexualized idk
the voice lines are cringe and idk how to disable them
wintry mica
its like some daddy kink shit with venth lol
slow marsh
I really badly want to go kyrian but can't justify it. Fingers crossed for some kyrian buff that makes it slightly better for sin
brazen zodiac
yeah it's just unnecessary and another example of bs in wow
wintry mica
horny for those grey sickly vampire dudes
spice spire
Also why do you want Kyrian to be good? That’s actually the one rogue ability I can’t stand
brazen zodiac
im horny to see my funny username on top charts
slow marsh
Naaaa horny for those big dps numbers
brazen zodiac
what's the Korean rogue ability
spice spire
Of course - preference and all that
spice spire
Echoing reprimand
slow marsh
I want kyrian to be good cuz I want to play kleia with frost set
spice spire
A mini game essentially
wintry mica
its the one that charges up a combo point and makes your finisher hit for like 7 cp
spice spire
I want kyrian to be good cuz I want to play kleia with frost set
That would actually be sauce with valiant strikes
slow marsh
I prefer flag mini game vs ER but I like kleia
spice spire
Maybe 
slow marsh
It's pretty much a high uptime 11% crit boostie
balmy condor
Necrolomegalul
slow marsh
In b4 whisp slams kyrian
Oop he went for Necro get fukd
Tbh I feel Necro is the pad cov that can't pad this tier
brazen zodiac
Woosypr I tuned into ur stream and the first thing i hear is "I fucked up and leveled blood set first"
poor poor soul
slow marsh
LMAO BLOOD GAMER
brazen zodiac
mans stuck in sub world
brazen zodiac
im looking at 10.6k dps next week cause finally r5 frost
balmy condor
Woosypr I tuned into ur stream and the first thing i hear is "I fucked up and le...
Tuning into stream and the first thing you hear is self degradation and whining
Yeah sounds like me
slow marsh
Yep
brazen zodiac
LMFAO
balmy condor
slow marsh
That's why I give my sub
brazen zodiac
i can't wait to pwn painsmith
slow marsh
I live vicariously through you
slow marsh
Feelsbad
spice spire
You can funnel my…
wintry mica
that sounds awful
spice spire
Never mind not the place
balmy condor
Having to backpedal that shit
spice spire
balmy condor
Is ass
slow marsh
YOU CAN FUNNEL MY BALLS
tiny saddle
Yooo raymuss!
spice spire
Yeah it’s pretty awful
slow marsh
Grow a pair quake geez
wintry mica
Yooo raymuss!
hollow river
Rank 5 set is like, 300 embers?
spice spire
Just sbs them @balmy condor
balmy condor
Just sbs them <@167090536602140682>
I’ll kill you
spice spire
slow marsh
Yeah just sbs and don't get refunds o.O
tiny saddle
Idk if you remember me, but you gave me tips on my opener/rotation and it helped a lot
real solar
@balmy condor when does pain die
hollow river
Having to backpedal that shit
Actually hate this so much
wintry mica
Rank 5 set is like, 300 embers?
yea each shard is 100 embers to go from r1 to r5
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> when does pain die
Idk next week probably
We’re extending
So 8 hours should be enough
Right
real solar
yike
balmy condor
spice spire
Yeah just sbs and don't get refunds o.O
real solar
8 hours is enough from 0 pulls :’)
slow marsh
I mean pain is the hardest boss in the raid
balmy condor
8 hours is enough from 0 pulls :’)
spice spire
I mean pain is the hardest boss in the raid
The other 19 in raid beg to differ
hollow river
I was thinking about setting our DH as my focus target and shadow stepping them
To the other side of the balls
spice spire
Raid group definitely hardest boss this tier
balmy condor
Isn’t sylvanas similarly hard
verbal mantle
this tier
tiny saddle
^ lol
tiny saddle
Isn’t sylvanas similarly hard
I think its hard
balmy condor
People killing sylv in like 130 pulls as well
wintry mica
tarragrue is the real hardest boss
slow marsh
Raid group definitely hardest boss this tier
That's my point. Pain is the hardest boss cuz ppl are dumb and you can't carry like you can on other bosses
balmy condor
Can’t imagine painsmith is more than that post buff
slow marsh
True pain nerfs were big
tiny saddle
Id say sylvanas is a harder fight imo
balmy condor
I don't think I'll ever backpaddle
Good luck hitting balls then
slow marsh
I just feel by the time groups finally get passed pain they'll outgear sylv to the point where as long as you are doing wailing correctly it won't be too hard
tiny saddle
Even in those “AOTC ONE SHOT” groups you still got people dying phase 1
slow marsh
Tbh I just FoK and spam evnom into the boss
Good sin boi
spice spire
*this tier*
Evergreen hardest boss
Apologies dadsen
tiny saddle
I cant wait to try sylvanas again tho
brazen zodiac
I leave the ball pampers to the aoepeeps
tiny saddle
Imma use the tips whispyr gave me
slow marsh
I would take this opportunity to make fun of whisp raid group
brazen zodiac
I'm assuming in mythic u can't? Lmfao
alpine latch
So 8 hours should be enough
You raid 8 hours a week?
wintry mica
im only doing 6 hours right now
slow marsh
You raid 8 hours a week?
I raid 8 hours not including heroic reclear minus sylv
spice spire
I raid 8 hours not including heroic reclear minus sylv
Psychopath
wintry mica
is that ball damage 
slow marsh
2 nights
balmy condor
You raid 8 hours a week?
Yeh and then heroic reclear sunday but I can’t make it to that most of the time
balmy condor
is that ball damage <:monkaW:586579080443330571>
Yes
spice spire
8 hours not including reclears 
brazen zodiac
what times are good for u
balmy condor
Ball damage Across the entire night
slow marsh
Why is frost dk
brazen zodiac
cause on god i smash heroic like the second servers open for embers lmfao
slow marsh
Why is dh
spice spire
Deadass 5 hours a week is all I do lmfao.
Though that’s low.
8 hours total is like yeah that’s good mid prog
brazen zodiac
AND SYLV RING
balmy condor
cause on god i smash heroic like the second servers open for embers lmfao
I could do that
slow marsh
Why is FIRE MAGE
tiny saddle
Sylv ring exists?!
wintry mica
i mean theres at least 1 dps below the tanks on ball damage too
brazen zodiac
bro on god bouta get the whole discord in on my heroic run LMFAO
slow marsh
It's brewmaster doesn't count
balmy condor
I work evening/night shifts most of the time, so like 5pm pacific, I’m fucking outta there
wintry mica
true our brewmaster with r5 blood does a surprising amount of damage
balmy condor
Any regular night raiding
brazen zodiac
ah
balmy condor
Pretty much fucked
brazen zodiac
rip rip
slow marsh
You can tod then too
spice spire
Why is the boomie damage so low? Fire mage I can almost see as they do below tank damage outside of the combuss windows
wintry mica
you answered your own question about boomy
they are basically tank damage outside of frenzy
wintry mica
i cant believe they managed to make boomy even more CD reliant than convoke was in 9.0 lol
brazen zodiac
when u get off work ray
tiny saddle
Nvm actually our raid plays better on heroic night than two main raid nights
Is that with your guild?
slow marsh
Yeah
tiny saddle
Shiet your guilds average parse is pretty good
slow marsh
And yes I'm a dirty outlaw gamer
wintry mica
when u get off work ray
~3pm pst
brazen zodiac
that's 6 pm for me est haa
tiny saddle
I love my guild and love playing with them but its kinda hard to prog with the newer players
brazen zodiac
im looking forward to wiping on nerzul for a week or 2
wintry mica
im looking forward to killing it faster than soulrender so i can say I told you so to the other officers in my guild lol
slow marsh
Yeah like I said we play better on heroic night. We had a couple carries last night and still blasted. Tonight for mythic will unfort look a bit different but that's too be expected to an extent
slow marsh
<:otl:433007796666236958> <:Cringe:750832154358972427>
Let's see your outlaw parses ya lil qt
brazen zodiac
I mean we've spent 2 weeks on him 3 nights a week 6 nights all together 3 hours lots of hours idk
limber lion
Let's see your outlaw parses ya lil qt
I don't really play the spec.
slow marsh
Well
brazen zodiac
I rather get the harder stuff down first
brazen zodiac
We all kinda expertts now it's just execution
halcyon zealot
imagine asking cev to link logs thinking youll be anywhere close
brazen zodiac
Nerzul from what I've seen my bf do is just dodge circles haha
slow marsh
Ok cev stay flexing the parses AND the good looks ok I see you
limber lion
Not the biggest fan of it. I mean it's aight
wintry mica
I rather get the harder stuff down first
we have yet to do 2 soul render nights with the same raid group cause we have had attendance problems the last few weeks
brazen zodiac
Rip
limber lion
my 236 poxstorm aint cutting it anymore
slow marsh
I legit only picked it up to play for soulrender but I ended up having a lot of fun with it
brazen zodiac
I get pretty upset when we cancel cause of no shows tbh
short token
I’m thinking of making the swap to venth from necro, are there any drawbacks at all?
slow marsh
Sin still bae tho
limber lion
I played it a bunch on my alt as well, it's pretty decent
brazen zodiac
I just wanna prog I have no life
alpine latch
I did the same on my Alliance rogue
balmy condor
Maybe if I had a proper weapon
what if you just grabbed me with your main hand and put me through the throes of battle 
halcyon zealot
i played outlaw a lot last tier pre 9.0.5 and enjoyed it a bit, haven’t gone back since tho
slow marsh
I’m thinking of making the swap to venth from necro, are there any drawbacks at ...
Yeah your parses will drop 5 points auto
short token
@slow marsh lol
rocky pecan
Xd whyspir
slow marsh
Cev better get a sub button soon is all I'm saying
brazen zodiac
Lmfao
limber lion
<a:lewdPant:746019353555894353> what if you just grabbed me with your main hand ...
Close your eyes, sweetheart. This is about to get messy.
slow marsh
Y'all both lucky I love my wife jus sayin
brazen zodiac
Partner appreciation moment 🥺
tiny saddle
But man it baffles me whenever you guys post your logs lol
limber lion
It's just practice Grim.
You can do it
Put your mind to it
Get some insane gear
And you've got it
tiny saddle
Ive been using every single tip ive gotten from you guys since i joined this dc and my dps did increase
wintry mica
if i get good gear i wont be able to blame my bad performance on loot rng though
limber lion
I started playing rogue in Cataclysm, but I did not play in MOP or WOD
drowsy parcel
I’m thinking of making the swap to venth from necro, are there any drawbacks at ...
dont do it man! is life
tiny saddle
Yall got me purple parses on some bosses that i was kinda struggling with
brazen zodiac
Probs muscle memory lmfao
limber lion
I'm sure you can get insane results as well if you spend a lot of time researching and practicing. Anyone can.
tiny saddle
tiny saddle
You guys erased my blues!
limber lion
But everything else looking smooth
tiny saddle
And yeah fuck
limber lion
tiny saddle
I actually asked about sylv earlier today
tiny saddle
And whispyr gave some solid advice
brazen zodiac
Or maybe you can and I blow
limber lion
You definitely can parse on prog
tiny saddle
I was always told to just focus souljudge and shit
limber lion
But I guess a lot of people just have the "prog" mentality where they super-focus on mechanics and not dying
So their dps just suffers
brazen zodiac
Log review my ass and give it to me straight cev
wintry mica
i totally simp for mechanics on prog
brazen zodiac
Give it to me straight
tiny saddle
Yeah thats def me in sylv
wintry mica
i dont care about my parse i want the boss to die
tiny saddle
I was trying my hardest not to die
limber lion
It's very, very important to be able to fully do your rotation without any hesitation
Whilst also doing mechanics
wintry mica
and i know i wont fuck them up so I like to do them myself lol
tiny saddle
And especially not falling off the bridge
limber lion
If you can't do both at the same time, you really need to work on it.
balmy condor
Log review my ass and give it to me straight cev
I hear it curves up
tiny saddle
I heard it curves left
spice spire
Porque no los DoS?
limber lion
Eventually rotation should come from muscle memory and pattern recognition, where you don't have to think about it at all
balmy condor
It’s a corkscrew
prisma lark
the problematic part about parsing in prog is rather the kill timer imo
limber lion
Well it depends right
Sometimes slower kills are better for parses
Sometimes slower kills means more time to pad on adds
Sometimes slower kills means you get an extra set of cds
wintry mica
i think its more just that your prog kills are almost never super clean in general
prisma lark
3:59 kill timer 
wintry mica
people will inevitably be making mistakes still