you can add enemy_death_pct=50 to a sim
#assassination
balmy condor
and that should just be 100-50
similar to sylvanas
torn atlas
Awesome cheers
gray sleet
really?
ebon notch
did you go to the guild meeting
gray sleet
what ilvl are you?
ebon notch
249
ebon notch
even then i had ~42%
bleak sky
you guys were talking about simming ocular gland at 80% uptime
god damn that makes a big diff
lavish lichen
80% is prob rather low
that was just an example in the command I posted
Id say a more realistic uptime is like 95%
bleak sky
at 90% it's within the margin of error of a 236 iqd (252 gland)
echo geyser
any necro sin rogues
raiders
is there any point to not play heirmir for all fights?
drowsy parcel
marileth is superior on any fight where you can abuse kevin
so most of them
bonesmith on all is fine tho
but if you wanna minmax you play marileth on eye, nine, soulrender, painsmith, fatescribe and kt if upstairs, possibly sylvanas
spice spire
No
Otherwise monks would be absolutely necessary to push even higher keys
Bonedust brew really just sent it
drowsy parcel
only fight where you can have 100% kevin is painsmith and kt
but kevin glitches out and doesnt follow into remnant room on kt so really not recommended
ebon notch
but i thought kevin was a single target dps increase
ebon notch
Otherwise monks would be absolutely necessary to push even higher keys
so whats this about im confused
echo geyser
so most of them
oh rly
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aZBdCUvHZhCgTARs9HqER8 thoughts on this?
never rly seen any assa sims
bout to try it first time next raid
spice spire
so whats this about im confused
Rogues had it pretty good with the Kevin bug, but bonedust brew also counted as a projectile so they’d have perma Kevin
And could deal disgusting levels of dps
gusty mirage
And could deal disgusting levels of dps
pretty sure they still do 
Just wait for bamfam to get geared
spice spire
It was even worse with Kevin bug
gusty mirage
we'll lose ramfam forever 
spice spire
I’ve been asleep all day, 14 hour migraines king
Have off tomorrow though so heck off 
spice spire
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aZBdCUvHZhCgTARs9HqER8 thoughts on this?
Bit low overall, because venthyr king. But still decent. I’m not quite geared enough to hit the frost part yet. Pending ilvl ma mangle may sim best
Oh dashing
echo geyser
ma mangle?
spice spire
Main mangle, but I’m memeing
echo geyser
based on this sim i was gonna go for sudden fractures i think
arctic walrus
it a little low but you're just at the mercy of being crippled on st for the gain on cleave by being necro
echo geyser
ah nice u found my 2nd dagger, didnt add enchants
spice spire
^
arctic walrus
🌬️ 
❓
spice spire
arctic walrus
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i7kyFRxG4Eb85TLCkyEJ5U
old pals resimming top gears for upgrades for the masses
echo geyser
balmy condor
you forced haste gems and shit
which was giga cringe
so I just restatted everything to crit
echo geyser
oh i thought since i had crit ones equipped
it would just sim haste comparision
so i have to pick both always
arctic walrus
well rest assured
echo geyser
takes so many more combinations with gems hehe
ebon notch
Did you do the classic of turning on windfury and giving it back @balmy condor 
ebon notch
Same
echo geyser
ebon notch
Im an ethical gamer and windfurys don't exist
balmy condor
turning off windfury too much work
fkin twerps
doesn't even change evaluations that much
echo geyser
good
arctic walrus
you think i talk in there? 
literally just consult warriors individually i'd rather
balmy condor
speak like a washed up yoda you do
ebon notch
turning off windfury too much work
This man can build a simc profile from scratch just by glancing at your transmog but can't turn off windfury
Cba
spice spire
On jah?
balmy condor
button press hard
ebon notch
WHAT DOES JA THINK ABOUT THIS
arctic walrus
my warrior is 5/10 bitch
arctic walrus
spice spire
didn't realize we really rping rogues tonight. Hella toxicity, respect.
balmy condor
ye
echo geyser
it was just empower conduit
echo geyser
damn my stats are rly only crit haste
ebon notch
Ram you're 10/10 right
spice spire
it really be like that
ebon notch
Like mythic prog
arctic hare
HAHA! got Scoundrel
echo geyser
Ram you're 10/10 right
yes
i was venthyr for prog
sin/sub
then got painsmith wep
swapped to outlaw
now im necro for dungeon buffs
tried outlaw this week
ebon notch
Is your guild recruiting
ebon notch
What's it called lemme peep
ebon notch
128
echo geyser
ebon notch
I'll drop an app when Sylvie dies
Either I make the jump to top 100 or I quit
Cba with this 400-700 shit it's mind numbing
balmy condor
sure
slow marsh
Oops that's outlaw but my sin stuff is in there
It should be 10.6ish as long as I'm not missing something
brazen zodiac
:o
balmy condor
It should be 10.6ish as long as I'm not missing something
just sat back down
but we'll see
slow marsh
I have one running rn so we can compare
I want to see what my sub is with my current gear too just to see. I feel like maybe too much haste not enough vers/mast for it tho
brazen zodiac
its kinda weird that droptimizer is telling me this item is like a 20+ upgrade but when i compare it in top gear its like a -10 loss
obtuse robin
link
fallen arch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hXRUikmjmLwajXShmzuwTT
Alliance gamer
echo geyser
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4N3CMrFGbnb7iYEt6kcQSy i thought daggers werent that good for sin?
241
that mainhand wep dps do be hitting diff i guess
slow marsh
Yeah dagger went up for me lately too. Used to only be +30 but now like 100 I think
brazen zodiac
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fjGR1DL2TP7uMCQQN5yo2E tara's smug plunder
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x7k84t47Sv3ML27gJqVBta
lmfao not sure why it's showing 8.8 dps in droptimzier
brazen zodiac
FK
obtuse robin
brazen zodiac
uhh i always have that disabled
brazen zodiac
am i not supposed to have it disabled haha
balmy condor
bleeding is mostly a survival hunter thing as far as I know
brazen zodiac
yeah it is
spice spire
ahh yes previous bleeds mean no bleeds apply, perfect
balmy condor
well
brazen zodiac
tarragoop
spice spire
The grue 
balmy condor
XD
rigid pine
It does
obtuse robin
oh no no
fallen arch
i wish dslice would auto disable dom set
It does
brazen zodiac
weird sometimes i just peep it being enabled
maybe i sim myself in circles and accidentally enable it lmfao
fallen arch
It overrides
balmy condor
They changed it to auto-disable a couple weeks ago
fallen arch
On dslice
balmy condor
You’d have to overwrite it manually to turn it on
fallen arch
The smart ppl of raidbots know sshards dont work in dungeons
brazen zodiac
!
tame moss
Does anyone know why some units on Ceverion's Rogue plater profile have a yellow outline on them but others don't?
slow marsh
Mines right I guess I just forgot I got a couple upgrades since I last simmed
slow marsh
Idk you nerfing me
Are your shards right ? Cuz iirc they save to your previous selections not with the simc input
slow marsh
Kind of surprised EP DS is only 80 dps behind BS and ep vig 15 behind that
Is ep simming with a boost to frost dam ?
balmy condor
Are your shards right ? Cuz iirc they save to your previous selections not with ...
Idk maybe
arctic walrus
@balmy condor so
when are you gonna provide apl to sim all tarra powers
I need a top gear extension for tarra powers
slow marsh
Acid gland or bust tbh
obtuse robin
i just cant wait to get the buffed versions of lumbering form and ten of towers
parses here i come
balmy condor
when are you gonna provide apl to sim all tarra powers
When you play with my balls mr painsmith
slow marsh
My RL kicked me once for sneaking lumbering in
balmy condor
obtuse robin
lol
arctic walrus
a little horny tonight are we
slow marsh
Would've gotten away with it too but a hunter ran into me
arctic walrus
spice spire
slow marsh
📯 🇪
ebon thorn
brazen zodiac
one happy goblin
now watch me upgrade it then get the 252 version in vault
@obtuse robin
brazen zodiac
hey woospyr i have a question. i cant change conduits because fuck da system so do u know the code to add in the new dagger i got so i can put it in top gear?
at least i got the # part down!
balmy condor
I don’t know the id’s off the top of my head
But here’s what you’re gonna do
Google domina’s oozing shiv
balmy condor
Should give you a wowhead link
Open the item
Then on the right there’s a button for “links”
One of them is a simc input
Click that, it’ll auto-copy
brazen zodiac
the import stringe?
balmy condor
It should add like a 130 ilvl garbo dagger
balmy condor
So at the end of the line, add “ilevel=x” where x is 236 or 246 or 252 is whatever you’re trying to do
And then it should act like a normal item
Enchants and everything all fine
brazen zodiac
main_hand=dominas_oozing_shiv,id=178928,bonus_id=6805/1472"ilevel=236"
off_hand=,id=178743,enchant_id=6228,bonus_id=7630/7359/6652/1547/6646 this look right?
its still showing it has the lower ilvl version but im guessing itll just act normal in the sims when i run it
balmy condor
Uh
Close
But you didn’t add a comma
You see how it says name,id=xxx,bonus_id=x/x
Have to separate each variable with a comma
So after the bonus id, add a comma, get rid of the “
And it should work
You should be able to see the item level change in your “bag” or whatever you want to call it in top gear
balmy condor
Yeah
brazen zodiac
haha okie thanks
balmy condor
Replace that with a comma
brazen zodiac
i dont have my glasses so was squinting for a second and 3 >.<
did it thank u very much!
soft merlin
what is the best stats for sin in m+?
spice spire
crit
brazen zodiac
spice spire
is like top by a bit, then you want a bit of everything. iirc mast gets a big upgrade in aoe, but crit mainly is what fuels you in m+
heavy coral
obtuse robin
nice
brazen zodiac
wym its fuckin em up black?
brazen zodiac
ahhhh
noted noted
yeah ima resim with the spider lady ring a higher ilvl and see what happens
rly hopin i get that sylv ring too
ngl i came into the raid tier before joining this discord thinkin haste>all so i kinda blew my shit in my heavy haste rings >.<
obtuse robin
so much to upgrade so little valor
balmy condor
Well it would’ve been haste > all
But blizzard buffed the frost set to the moon
And since that’s just raw crit synergy
brazen zodiac
yeah i havent even touched my m+ bis gear
obtuse robin
balmy condor
Kinda made crit skyrocket
brazen zodiac
was kinda hoping to get it all to 246 and push past 21 rip
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8WuDdtZEKwGFfdA5G4jccC not sure how accurate this cuz i was kinda under the impression that u want only crit and haste but ig i need a lil more haste
balmy condor
That’s dungeonslice
brazen zodiac
yeah ik
obtuse robin
dslice wants mastery
brazen zodiac
was simming for m+
balmy condor
Yeh
Dungeons are crit > mast usually
You have so many dots out in cleave and aoe
Energy ain’t a thing
brazen zodiac
yeah i find myself literally never pressing shit
man these rings r troll as fuck
lfmao
obtuse robin
isa trap
obtuse robin
wait
brazen zodiac
i am patiently waiting
brazen zodiac
XDD
ima resim it all together
if thts the case
or maybe i might be doin something wrong. wanna give it a shot?
obtuse robin
sure
idle star
Dashing surely. But then again his haste is 24% so Obi could be legit. 34% haste with alac
brazen zodiac
uhh
balmy condor
does raidbots always give the same buff from iqd
Functions like in game
brazen zodiac
i have no idea honestly, but i very rarely get haste in game
obtuse robin
yea
balmy condor
Seems fine to me
Dashing is within margin
And will only gain with more upgrades
Should be fine to just ignore obedience
brazen zodiac
2 weeks rank 5 ;p
for some reason i killed fatescribe, didnt kill him on heroic, yet when i did i couldn't loot him
so im at 29 embers and if my math is correct which it probably isnt i wont actually get rank 5 for like 3 weeks
rip
would've been at that fat 30
obtuse robin
u have only one r5 frost?
brazen zodiac
sir we have been through this
obtuse robin
oh yea r5 dyz
brazen zodiac
.<
obtuse robin
brazen zodiac
fuck da system
it always scares me to see i lost like 300 dps then i peep dom set disabled >.<
balmy condor
brazen zodiac
crazy system lmfao
balmy condor
Let’s just say
I know what it’s like
I don’t want to talk about how I leveled my gems
But uh
obtuse robin
wait
balmy condor
It’s a mess
brazen zodiac
we are in this together brother >.<
brazen zodiac
LOL
obtuse robin
u lvled blood
balmy condor
Worse than that
brazen zodiac
oh no
obtuse robin
brazen zodiac
balmy condor
I’ve played more sub than I have sin
But people know me as the sin guy because I do a lot of sin APL and I played it all of bfa
brazen zodiac
was bfa fun
obtuse robin
yea so obe is winning by a smal margin just play dashing
balmy condor
It was okay
ebon thorn
demon hunter bfa 🕯️
brazen zodiac
i saw bfa trailer and was interested but couldnt get it
balmy condor
I enjoyed Azerite traits stacking really wild stuff
We don’t have a lot of super crazy spec changing stuff
Which I kind of miss
balmy condor
Yeh
obtuse robin
so much dmg
brazen zodiac
idk what wow usually does after they release a new expansion but do you think they're just gonna get rid of the covenants and shit?
balmy condor
Yeah
brazen zodiac
awe :c
balmy condor
Expansions have a bad habit of just removing everything from the previous
obtuse robin
yea thats what they do introduce shit complicated system that only lasts one expac
balmy condor
You will
obtuse robin
i forgot we ever rolled nf at launch tbh
good ridance
hated it
i liked ss tho
sepsis was just forgetful
obtuse robin
and burrs rocked but its been nerfed like 4 times
balmy condor
Yeah
brazen zodiac
wait i didnt even know warlogs had m+ parses wtf
brazen zodiac
id hope i have a decent one
after running that shit
303094029348 fucking times
i was able to clear a pack with my fucking eyes closed
obtuse robin
balmy condor
Your parse in m+ is only dependent on the level of key you did
Not your personal performance
obtuse robin
and ur tank
obtuse robin
on god
brazen zodiac
can i pre-tricks before a pack so i can just gar?
brazen zodiac
cause i had a really bad tank who like wouldnt taunt or something idk? but i kept pre-trix, gar and i'd still get pwned and targeted
i dont think i have it set up properly idk
brazen zodiac
obtuse robin
missed ring enchant sim ti again !!!
balmy condor
Usually the fix to that is let them run in, give a second or two, then open, and tricks with your ct cast
obtuse robin
or rather gem
brazen zodiac
oh my god
obtuse robin
only the 252 version is better
brazen zodiac
idk how to uh
put a gem code in haha
every time i think im done with plaguefall
yall come back and give me a big slap of reality
.<
obtuse robin
btw
u dont have to put the dom shard in there just wasting time
or is my sim idk
showing like that
brazen zodiac
i do have em selected, how come its not adding it to the ring?
and uhhh. idk it just like auto put it on there and i never touched it haha
obtuse robin
put + 1
spice spire
Replace existing on, I assume?
balmy condor
Lock the ring
brazen zodiac
the 16 crit doesnt need to be there
obtuse robin
do u have all ur dom shards checked?
brazen zodiac
yes......sir
obtuse robin
u dont have to have that selected
balmy condor
brazen zodiac
i quit league cuz i int too much
obtuse robin
unless ur replacing
obtuse robin
also
balmy condor
my chrome froze help
obtuse robin
u have ring of perpetual conflict selected
brazen zodiac
IM
obtuse robin
do we have slap emote
brazen zodiac
coping
balmy condor
Incoming 150mil iterations
spice spire
brazen zodiac
i keep thinking
balmy condor
Will basically just make raidbots scream
brazen zodiac
not in m+ tho
obtuse robin
in st
brazen zodiac
but ur right
obtuse robin
that stitch ring aint gonna cut it either
brazen zodiac
yeah i ust keep simming it cause i love to watch myself suffer apparently
brazen zodiac
its kinda fun playing with the sims. reminds me of poe's emulator
spice spire
brazen zodiac
XD
ebon thorn
idk
doing "replace enchants and gems"
you click 1 ring too much
raidbots just shits itself
and needs a 10 second timeout
poor thing
spice spire
+73
spice spire
Big gains
obtuse robin
that nine ring taking u in circles
brazen zodiac
LMFOA
spice spire
Badbttchtwo when?
balmy condor
Twobttchtwobad
brazen zodiac
ebon thorn
balmy condor
spice spire
Awful lot of level ones 
balmy condor
Awful lot of level ones <a:sus:761292986084491274>
spice spire
I think we might have an OTP on our hands 
brazen zodiac
fuck its too long >.<
balmy condor
How about bttchtwobad
spice spire
<:SuspiciousChicken:468815079836745728>
Ur a sussy baka
obtuse robin
never again
spice spire
vestal wren
you are a little pogchimp
obtuse robin
balmy condor
balmy condor
shit bouta be a shaman otp
Wait no
spice spire
Apes together strong 
brazen zodiac
brb dbd game
balmy condor
spice spire
Ur next buckaroo
balmy condor
Koffing went from rogue to shaman to rogue
Ronkles played a rogue
Then went shaman
Now back to rogue
spice spire
Foreverman
keen sandal
Can someone explain to me this Winds of winter from sin? I just recently came back, just looking at logs, is it from a lego or trinket or?
balmy condor
Frost domination shard set bonus
keen sandal
ok ty
ebon thorn
Whispyr is #assassination 's little pogchamp
brazen zodiac
one day ill get em all to level 50
i leveled my main in 2 days when i first got wow
or 3 days i thik
languid frigate
Just curious, sims and faq recommend blindside and deeper strat, but in reality to logs, elab and vigor are pretty much taken 100% of the time. I know sims won't match the reality of an actual boss fight, but is there a reason we even bother simming blindside in these guides? Is it just for the bigger number? It seems like it would be confusing for a lot of new players.
vestal wren
ep also tents to pull ahead over time with gear, don't think we will see it as the best siming st talent this tier tho.
languid frigate
Yeah, i've been having a lot of discussions with our raid leader etc on sims and which talents to be running. And although technically it sims higher and people are saying strictly single target is better, the logs still don't really reflect that. Guardian is the only example of where 31% are taking BS. But 100% of the other fights are ep/vigor. It's just a strange example of just because it sims better doesn't mean it's the correct choice as the player base are overwhelmingly choosing another. I'm just wondering if there is another reason for recommending bs over ep as it seems like guides should now just not really even consider it.
balmy condor
Most fights have cleave, cleave favors ep/vig
vestal wren
i don't know if this statement is correct
It's just a strange example of just because it sims better doesn't mean it's the correct choice
balmy condor
If you sim single target, you’ll get single target
If you look at logs, you’ll see cleave and aoe and add damage
vestal wren
if your sim shows bs as best choice and you don't take it for comfort that does not mean its a worse choice
and if you use patchwerk to evaluate add fights thats also on you not interpreting data correct/using the right tools
slate sequoia
!def
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz
languid frigate
Yeah I agree with you completely, more often than not, it's better for a player to perform better at something they are more comfortable playing, in this case a lot of players feel EP is more fluid to play. My example however, Guardian, on a fight, where there is 0 cleave or adds, and the community still taking EP. I imagine the top mythic players would still pick the higher simming talents and would likely be comfortable playing BS anyway. But they are still picking EP. I just find it interesting.
zinc frost
I did that after a guardian kill, logged off and when I logged on forgot to change talents
brazen zodiac
awful feeling haha
balmy condor
Yeah I agree with you completely, more often than not, it's better for a player ...
A lot of it on guardian specifically is following the trend
If you see a lot of people taking ep vig
You’ll take ep vig
vestal wren
for what its worth the diffrence of eb/bs is not super big (within 1-2% dps iirc)
balmy condor
It’s not uncommon for top players to take worse talents/traits/whatever even on clear single target fights
oak sky
i mostly assume people are lazy when they go ep/vigor on guardian
balmy condor
But it’s usually close enough to the best
brazen zodiac
ive been wanting to try bs ds on guardian but it feels weird as fuck
oak sky
just done want to swap talents
balmy condor
That it doesn’t really matter
brazen zodiac
idk if im not pooling enough or whatever xd
arctic walrus
I’m gonna try vigor ep on guardian this week
bleak spoke
man playing deeper with ma feels so horrid even though its obviously not actually a problem
bleak spoke
hey vel ily vel big fan vel
arctic walrus
hey vel ily vel big fan vel
For a second I almost who are you ed you
Ily too pretty boy glad to see you back online
bleak spoke
arctic walrus
@balmy condor can you sim ep ds but force finishers at 4 instead of 5+
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> can you sim ep ds but force finishers at 4 instead of 5+
Already did + big loss + you play warrior + I’m sleeping
arctic walrus
But I guess at that point you aren’t even playing ds 
arctic walrus
Already did + big loss + you play warrior + I’m sleeping
I’m in my bed, you’re in yours, somebody is in the wrong here
balmy condor
So true
bleak spoke
uwu
arctic walrus
Drake was right I am a lesbian
formal star
Hey guys. I'm sure this as been asked multiple times in the channel. But i'm struggling and reasearch don't give a clear cut answer.
So i'm swaping over main rogue fairly soon, only been playing outlaw so far but I intend to play Sin for mythic sanctum progression.
I'm just super bugged about the Lego pick. Guides talk about 3 ( i'm necro ) without a clear winner. I'm guessing Doomblade is the way to go as a first Lego? But with Gear and shards, aparently Dashing Scoundrel pulls ahead. And Some guides just put Zoldyck as first craft. I'm super Lost.
Should I just stick with Doomblade for sole raiding purpuses ?
brazen zodiac
don't take my word on it but from what i remember seeing i think if ur nerco the whole dashing stuff isn't ur goto
itd probs be doomblade
def get more opinions tho or sim it
bleak spoke
zinc frost
Dashing/doomblade are relatively close for necro. Zoldyck only good for keys
formal star
Yeh I would sim it, but right now I have terrible Gear for Assa
brazen zodiac
ahh
oak sky
just make both 235 for now is the move
oak sky
just sim right now and make 235 of whichever is better rn
brazen zodiac
@wintry mica its almost Tuesday!! (:<
oak sky
probably gonna be doomblade
brazen zodiac
the vault is like Christmas to me lmfao
oak sky
but would be a good idea to have dashing ready especially since 9.1.5 isnt toooo far off
formal star
Yeh im thinking of holding on to Ash and cinders until patch. But looks like Doomblade is the safest pick then.
zinc frost
the vault is like Christmas to me lmfao
Yeah except there’s a good chance your getting coal
formal star
Thanks alot for your answers
oak sky
after the patch you probably will just play venthyr with dashing in single target so be ready for that haha
formal star
I mean, i'm mainly swaping for keys as outlaw
oak sky
i need a blessing for lord kvaldir's handwraps mythic
brazen zodiac
I have a really good feeling this week
brazen zodiac
I just want sylv dagger
Oh dear God do I get out of bed to see if it'll sim higher than my 246 dominas in offhand
rocky pecan
dont go out of bed for that it will sim higher
terse talon
my 233 sylv dagger sims 1dps higher than my 246 dominas 😦
brazen zodiac
Lmfao
wind totem
In regard to the target cap changes. Does dealing reduced damage past 5 targets apply to dots? Basically will CT do full dot dmg on all targets and only get its initial damage reduced or all damage?
sinful cradle
We dont know how it will work yet with dots
ebon notch
Unfortunately blood set is bis for that
steel ridge
what classes use blood? cause i am the highest healing after healers and tanks in my raid
alpine garden
Yeah once 9.2 rolls around and they have whatever new grind set thing for that it'll be full on stat reset 
steel ridge
ok just checked, theres one hunter that uses blood, and it healed less than my frost
merry fox
sub rogues use blood as well
green ledge
Both windwalkers in my guild use blood
karmic crystal
what classes use blood? cause i am the highest healing after healers and tanks i...
Sub rogues
steel ridge
yeah none of those in my raid, so theres a total of 4 people who use bloodlink in my raid
and a total of 3 frost users, all rogues
no wonder we need so many healers
fallen arch
I don’t follow that logic
There’s 7 people using frost and blood and that’s why yoy need many healers?
Those 7 count for 1,5 healer
steel ridge
yeah cause we have like 20 people using unholy contributing pretty much nothing in terms of absorb
fallen arch
You can’t force dps into an inferior shard set for their damage tho
steel ridge
nope, thats not happening
fallen arch
If unholy was 15% better than blood and frost no rogue in the word would not play it
steel ridge
but assassination is so bonkers with frost, all the little tick damage fuels so much absorb
fallen arch
Hence we play it
fallen arch
It’s undeniably valuable
bleak sky
the vault is like Christmas to me lmfao
can't wait to get a big lump of coal on all chars
alpine garden
Codex rep 
steel ridge
vault is dropping a sylv dagger, believe
alpine garden
It did for me last week
heavy coral
Welp i got stygia for 3x weeks now 
halcyon tapir
On M Remnant prog... is it best to rupture or garrote orbs for more energy or just tunnel boss?
halcyon tapir
5 point rupt?
hollow river
i tend to 5 point them before they are actually taking damage
if they are already taking damage, then a 3 pointer should suffice i'd imagine
depends how fast your raid is killing them
halcyon tapir
cool, thanks for the suggestions 😄
they pop... so ill go for 5pts if they close by on spawn
hollow river
ye iirc the bleed still gives you regen when they're not taking damage
i could be wrong
limber lion
You should definitely gar/rup/dp them outside of cooldowns
halcyon tapir
Thanks Cev, even on heroic, this fight is my worse parse
fallen arch
Sbs em
halcyon tapir
so bleed them while invul, if they within cleave range of boss, then sbs when they vulnerable?
fallen arch
Sbs immediately
Because that means all sbs on boss give more cp
And it ticks when it becomes vulnerable
pseudo hamlet
5 CP on a target. Shiv is off cooldown.
3 options:
-hit shiv(and waste CP from it) and envenom
-hit envenom and hit shiv
-hit envenom, mutilate -> then shiv
cursive silo
use tome swap to Deeper and shiv
pseudo hamlet
Was playing with BS/DS. But the EP/Vigor feels less RNG-ish.
zealous marsh
You waste like 1 or 2 cp if u extremely unlucky immediate shiv in my opinion too
gusty mirage
1 or 2 wasted cp is nothing tbh
Just shiv on CD, if you’re at full CP shiv and then envenom
zealous marsh
Yup you can live without it
verbal mantle
Just shiv on CD, if you’re at full CP shiv and then envenom
I'll hit you on cd 
gusty mirage
I'll hit you on cd <:Crackbird:316676754477678592>
do it
zealous marsh
But certainly you can plan around it
pseudo hamlet
I am always trying to plan to use the Shiv to not waste the CP(like 4 CP, every bleed on the target and 3 sec CD on shiv, so I just wait).
rocky pecan
3 sec =3 gcd 😒
fallen arch
Ye but sometimes it comes off cooldown and juste before u generated 4cp with a mut
rocky pecan
so you could envenom mt shiv
fallen arch
You can’t always plan it
pseudo hamlet
3 sec =3 gcd 😒
Isn't it better to wait the 3 sec to get the 5CP Envenom empowered by Shiv?
zealous marsh
It is
pseudo hamlet
...while not being energy-capped of course.
cursive silo
I don't think you care what you get in the shiv window you just press it
zealous marsh
And you get more energy to get more evnvenoms
rocky pecan
it's not better
dont think so
cauuz envenom 4 cp or 5 cp is ridiculous not that muuch
but you loose 1 envenom in this 3 sec time
so
depend how is your energy tho prolly
zealous marsh
If you enter shiv window without energy you can press your envenom go ahead
pseudo hamlet
But how I am losing a one envenom if I won't be able to cast it without enough CP/energy? I'd rather get one bonus envenom(because of the wait for energy/CP) inside the Shiv window 
fallen arch
It’s nice to envenom 3 times in a shiv window, it’s even nicer to get 2 extra shiv casts in a fight cos u always used it on cd and didnt hold
zealous marsh
That’s what i’ve said about planning
fallen arch
U can plan ahead by pooling, but sometimes it doesn’t work that way so by default u press it on cd
rocky pecan
you prolly delay a bit if vendetta / vanish come off cd
but if it's not the case just on cd
zealous marsh
You can’t really smash head into keyboard sometimes
fallen arch
Thats the only time u can delay by a couple of seconds
rocky pecan
and by delay a bit i mean 3/4 sec not 10
zealous marsh
That’s the warrior thing „me smash”
fallen arch
That’s the warrior thing „me smash”
Or an outlaw thing
pseudo hamlet
Thanks guys for the great points about that nuance!
fallen arch
Hehe
fallen arch
Thanks guys for the great points about that nuance!
No nuance
Just paint ur shiv button red
And slam on cd
halcyon tapir
Should i ever delay vend or shiv for one another?
zealous marsh
I don’t think you would end up in such situations
halcyon tapir
e.g shiv is rdy, vend off cd in 10s?
Or is that situation indicative or not using them of cd properly?
fallen arch
That can happen
zealous marsh
In perfect situation
fallen arch
I mean, there is also a lot of mechanics and target swapping involved in fights right
fallen arch
But in this case its a bigger lose to lose tha cast than to hold for 10sec
I think you can hold for max 6 seconds?
zealous marsh
Yea 10 sec is too much
On second vendetta mine cds lines up nearly perfectly
Coz mechanics and my monkey brains sometimes delays shiv by 1 sec
fallen arch
Ye ofc
We’re not robots
But intentionally holding for more than a global or a little bit of downtime is usually not the best
halcyon tapir
ok gotcha, thx gents
zealous marsh
burnt star
Pretty sure u could hold shiv up to 12 sec if it meant to be timed with vendetta
This is what cev wrote in june. Doubt it changed
steel geyser
That's not what he said
burnt star
and, in my understanding, that specific number is meant to always have a full shiv uptime during vendatta: is exemple was if vend has 14 sec left, u shiv. that mean when u press vendetta shiv will have 11 sec left. and when u press shiv vendetta will have 9 sec left (aka full usage during vendetta)
burnt star
That's not what he said
... are u trolling.. i just quote it word for word.. and if u move up he explain exacly that
here
steel geyser
He's saying as long as you get a full shiv into vendetta it's fine
tribal marlin
most of the time you'd better delay Vendetta
than loosing a shiv cast
Only case it happen to be a significative loss in sims is in <4:30 iterations. But anything around 5:00 and more you should rather delay vendetta by 10sec than delaying Shiv by 15sec.
normal mist
Hi, as someone who didn't play this patch at all (stopped 2/3 months before it was released) what is there to know about the game, rogue in specific, that have changed?
Any TLDR?
Been thinking about returning to the game but I kinda feel lost now. Please @ me!
steel geyser
The TLDR would be rogue tuning between specs is currently very good you can pretty much play whatever you want
normal mist
What about game wise? (I just wanna play assa, that's it)
Heard about some special gems for the raid gear, new zone with new dailies, etc. I can't even remember my ilevel. 420 I believe or something, (not sure about the first number).
Idk if it is low or still good enough xD
rocky pecan
420is big pretty yy big
Is like 1 or 2 more raid than we have actually ahah
Maybe 220 but we'll game is fine I think if you start back tons of shit to do
normal mist
Exactly, 220. It's been a while xDD
Can I still compete (dps wise) with other people or 220 it's already pretty shit?
rocky pecan
well raid is out for like 2 month now something like that or almost
so you are a bit late on gear y
but catch up is fast i think
just for gems you are totaly late but well
normal mist
Big pvp cap so that's something I can do aswell.
Yeah I know nothing about the gems
rocky pecan
it's like bonus dmg you win more the 3 type of same gems you up on rank
normal mist
So what do we, assa rogues, are searching for?
rocky pecan
frost set gems and crit hast
normal mist
The stats didn't change then. Gems are dropped I'm the raid only?
fallen arch
Yes
normal mist
I see. What ilevel is now the "it isn't perfect but it's pretty okay to join m+ and n/h raid"?
Sorry for the spam btw
rough sinew
I see. What ilevel is now the "it isn't perfect but it's pretty okay to join m+ ...
In a PUG? You’re not getting an invite unless you’re 240+ or if your main has very high score
With premades, 220-230 is decent for +15s and HC raid
normal mist
Hmmm... I did pretty much everything pug last tier, up to sire hc
So yeah I see, I have to gain 20 ilevel till I can be decent since I don't really like guild xD
rough sinew
Even with 240+ it’s a hassle to get in. Honestly I wouldn’t play this game if I had to PUG. But we’re all different
hollow river
at 240+ +15s will still depend on your raiderIO
but for raids, like normal, shouldn't matter too much if you're 230+
heroic pugs is moreso 230-240+ but it also depends on your experience shown by your raiderio to get you into later bosses
normal mist
Since the raider io changes, does the raid have a raider score as well?
steel ridge
No
rocky pecan
no but there is "progress" like before
indigo thicket
what 2 potencys do you run as nadja with dashing and frost shards
im assuming wps but what about the other
steel ridge
I just got called out by some hunter in torghast for being a m+ player and he doesnt expect much from those
like wtf
only in torghast man
Weird things happen there
steel ridge
im assuming wps but what about the other
Lashing scars
lyric crater
question what lego bis if not a vamp
spice spire
If high ilvl with a bit of crit and running frost, dashing. Until then Doomblade (I also figure you mean for raid)
plain thistle
how much cirt 30%?
more, closer (or more) than 40%
soft merlin
for m+ as necro sin, do you empower bone spike or poisoned katar first?
spice spire
Either is very min-maxy and not necessarily needed but I personally do Sudden Fractures (sbs)
soft merlin
Thanks. Also lego, zol and doomlade. Crit/haste for m+?
spice spire
Crit haste is fine for both. Crit haste is good for ST. A decent mix of stats after Crit is decent for m+.
normal mist
Is zoldyck still best for m+?
rocky pecan
y
brazen zodiac
can't wait to get a big lump of coal on all chars
i hope u the blizzard gods and goddesses bless u king
bleak sky
bless us all king
late gulch
As venthyr is the cov legendary better then zold for mythic+?
slow marsh
No
thin path
heya, anyone got a nice bonespike wa that helps tracking if the buff is up on the target or not? cant seem to find one
placid dawn
I would like one that changes the nameplate color. Like the one JPC has. pretty cool
thin path
that'd be neat, one that just shows greyed out icon if it aint up on target is also ok^^
plain thistle
I would like one that changes the nameplate color. Like the one JPC has. pretty ...
thats done with plater, not a wa
its not super easy since he uses 2 plater script to do that, one to change color and one to remove the icon without blacklisting it
thin path
ye just a wa would be fine
plain thistle
you can use something like this > https://wago.io/bKGUZSZrT
to change nameplater color
and use another plater script to hide sbs icon
placid dawn
I wouldnt mind having the icon and color change
thanks for the aura, I got it setup now
or plater script i guess
neat jacinth
Heyho, just one question: Which legendary would you craft as venthyr for m+, when you already got obidience? cant really decide 😄 Zoldycks sounds better for AoE; Doomblade and Dashing better for Single Target 😄 No one really uses zoldycks (Top Rio players) as far as i can see
fallen arch
For m+ you craft zoldyck
Dont believe the high rio weebs that use dashing and doomblade
Reasoning: zoldyck is solid in every situation, whereas the other 2 mainly are single target focused
neat jacinth
Yeah, got the same idea. Ty.
One other thing: Do you garotte mobs in AoE when you already got like 6 bleeds running or do you just rupture for dmg?
fallen arch
Yea just keep using garrote on mobs where it can run the full duration
hollow river
you try to keep garrote, CT and rupture ticking on as many things as you can
neat jacinth
ty
obtuse robin
!wa
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Assassination WA's:
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brazen zodiac
@fickle spear 👋
red turtle
Hey, so i just got the Amplifier from Guardian, do i press it on cd or with Vendetta? i wathed some Logs and there are different variants.
limber lion
Hey, so i just got the Amplifier from Guardian, do i press it on cd or with Vend...
Always on cd.
red turtle
thanks !
limber lion
You can sync it with lust, as long as you don't miss out on a cast.
Easiest to just slam it on cooldown.
:)
verbal knot
im thinking on going assasination from sub but i dont have the frost set that high on rank yet,only myblood set on rank 4
is it worth playing sin with blood?
balmy condor
blood is the worst on sin by a good amount
verbal knot
damn
lyric crater
i got rng have full unholy for sin atm and one frost and 2 blood
random fossil
https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485
ah yes, shiv
errant plover
so, with aoe cap removed, what chances does sin have in being competitive for M+?
dawn ivy
brazen zodiac
i like ur name lol.
balmy condor
so, with aoe cap removed, what chances does sin have in being competitive for M+...
roll d100 for chance
obtuse robin
so, with aoe cap removed, what chances does sin have in being competitive for M+...
it will be best spec in the game
slow marsh
/roll 1d100
obtuse robin
slow marsh
Didn't work
slow marsh
Buffed sepsis conduit*
obtuse robin
even better
slow marsh
No shot
With no aoe cap that means we can run dashing with master poisoner and poison bomb in m+ right and we just ignore garrote and only rupture in between envenoms to fish for juicy poison bombs cuz it does so much dam
obtuse robin
TRUE
shadow tusk
Poison bomb isnt capped at the moment tho 
obtuse robin
ppl's sarcasm meters r broken today or what
balmy condor
ppl's sarcasm meters r broken today or what
too busy thought policing
slow marsh
Lmao
slow marsh
Ooo thing just got interesting