assassination

[wintry mica]

yea that definitely feels bad

[fallen arch]

Or you know

Just play the game

Kill bosses yourself

And earn that loot

[halcyon zealot]

lol

[fallen arch]

Kill the boss yourself I mean

Lol that came out wrong

[delicate berry]

Lol

I was gonna say

[wintry mica]

yea i was like damn thats toxic lol

[fallen arch]

That sounded different in my head obv 😂

I honestly never understood buying boosts tbh

[halcyon zealot]

ya it definitely feels more rewarding that way, but i can understand the frustration of not having access to sylv loot in vault at this point

[fallen arch]

What’s it gonna bring ya

[wintry mica]

lol i remember where some one in the druid disc made a spelling mistake and missed a space and somehow accidentally typed the N word and got insta purged

[halcyon zealot]

some people dont care about the journey, just the destination @fallen arch

oh idk, im def in ur boat, im just trying to see the other side

[fallen arch]

Apparently

[long hawk]

More of the way the game is right now and how hard it is to even get a group to do anything.

[wintry mica]

just do what everyone else does to get aotc

be like 6/10

[fallen arch]

There’s tons of guilds out there

[wintry mica]

and make an "Aotc only" group yourself

and hope people dont notice

[fallen arch]

My guild doesn’t do hc anymore, so I had to pug it today for embers

[wintry mica]

yea we do an optional hc on monday

[fallen arch]

The leader admitted after 6 bosses that he had only seen 2 fights on hc

[wintry mica]

but I cant wait that long for embers or a chance at sylv

[fallen arch]

We carried him without knowing

[wintry mica]

yea I usually give those groups a pull or two if the dude looks decent

the worst are the ones where they just keep inviting people

[fallen arch]

We wete pretty steady

[wintry mica]

2-3-9 is way easier than like 2-4-14

[fallen arch]

There’s just no chance I’m pugging hc after Guardian

Fatescribe pug I don’t wanna put mysef thru that

[wintry mica]

my pug had more trouble with KT than sylv this week

[fallen arch]

We went 2-2-6

[halcyon zealot]

we just do the skip, and are progressing on M painsmith, so ive had to pug painsmith, guardian, fatescibe for embers the last few weeks

fucking blows idk how ppl do it

[wintry mica]

small groups on sylv make everything seem so much easier for whatever reason

[fallen arch]

If everyone pulls their own weight, yes

But that’s almost never true

[wintry mica]

yea but then at least you know who to replace

I did it last week in 2 pulls in a small group with no disc lol

[halcyon zealot]

yeah hardest part about sylv is getting everyone to collectively not fuck up for 13 minutes

boss itself isnt too bad

especially in a pug

[wintry mica]

hardest part is group finder

getting in a group

and then having it be decent

[delicate berry]

We are doing this cept normal then doing h

Might be starting m before getting aotc

[wintry mica]

you really just need tanks that know how to manage puddles

[delicate berry]

Tbh

[wintry mica]

and a priest or two for MD in p3

[halcyon zealot]

@delicate berry i mean early on in the tier it was very common to be 1 or 2/10M before getting aotc

[wintry mica]

i dont think i would do a pug that didnt have a priest in the group

[halcyon zealot]

first 2-3 on mythic are easier than H sylv

[wintry mica]

yea def first 2

[oak sky]

Way easier

[wintry mica]

tarragrue is a joke boss

[oak sky]

Excepr h sylv isnt too terrible either

[wintry mica]

the nine is a different type of difficulty to h sylv

[halcyon zealot]

no its not, gear nerfed that H Slyv so hard

[wintry mica]

but id say if you can down one you can down them both

oh for sure

without any dom sets

[kind talon]

Bruh the 9 is so easy

It’s unreal

[fallen arch]

Yeah, guilds really did that to their rogues

[kind talon]

Mythic 9 is easier than the eye bro

[wintry mica]

i disagree lol

eye was stupid easy

[delicate berry]

Last part of phase 2 getting us on h slyv

[fallen arch]

Not for my guild it wasnt

[halcyon zealot]

we got 9 to 40% our first pull with 18 ppl while waiting for late comers as a meme

[wintry mica]

i feel like tarragrue is like 0/10 difficulty eye is like 1-2 and nine is like 2-3

and then after nine its a decent jump

remnant and soulrender feel like actual mythic bosses

the first 3 not as much imo

[fallen arch]

Also not for everyone

[kind talon]

I mean

[fallen arch]

Really depends on your raid comp

[kind talon]

Avg eye pull ct is 16-36

And avg nine count is 5-12

[fallen arch]

We had it in 3 lel

[wintry mica]

damn

[halcyon zealot]

i think it depends on how fast/well you get used to the intermission, and if u have the dps to do the split strat

[fallen arch]

Nine in like 25

[kind talon]

And I daresay that those stats say the nine is easier

On avwrage

[fallen arch]

Don’t ask me why

[kind talon]

Idk

[wintry mica]

true, stats could be depressed a bit by having less nine kills

[oak sky]

Shit gear could make eye harder

[kind talon]

True

[wintry mica]

since more bad guilds have killed eye avg pull count could be a bit higher but thats still a big difference

we wiped like 6-7 times I think

[oak sky]

Eye is easier mechanically though

[wintry mica]

but most of that was because we were doing the wrong strat

we were trying to swap the tanks for no reason

which just doesnt work lol

[kind talon]

Depends on which tank

If it’s a monk u can do it easily

Monk x

[wintry mica]

yea but its easy enough to just leave the tanks on each side since the debuff doesnt really do that much to them

and just have dps swap if you dont have the dps to burn it down

[kind talon]

Yeah but if it’s monk x u can just do it for free

On god

[fallen arch]

If you don’t have the dps now to burn Eye something is wrong

[kind talon]

Other tank chains over and monk chi torpedo into transendence instantly there

[wintry mica]

I meant to one phase intermission without swapping sides

[kind talon]

Ye

[wintry mica]

man im even spamming in trade undercutting my own auction and no one is buying

I need to log off or ill sit here all day till my legs sell

[fallen arch]

Thanks for the update on your sales

[wintry mica]

youre welcome

[oak sky]

Maybe someone will dm you with qn offer

[pure moth]

Ill give you 1 copper

[delicate berry]

Oo what am I buyin

[gritty mason]

if im using dashing in AoE do i just keep CT up and envenom while its up

[upper flax]

If i crit with mutilate and get 3 cp, do I spend em then?

[plain thistle]

no, finish at max -1

4-5 with vigor and 5-6 with deeper stratagem

[upper flax]

okey cause I was checking a log on guardian mythic and he did mutilate envenom mutilate envenom multiple times

that has to do with crits then I assume?

[ebon notch]

yh cause you can get 4 CP from one Mut

which is n-1 so you dump

[upper flax]

yeah okey that makes sense then

thanks alot

how would I do with vendetta? it doesnt line up very well with trinket and flag

[ebon notch]

wdym

[upper flax]

Vendetta doesnt line up with fusion trinket and flagellation

do I just hold trinket and flag for vendetta then?

[ebon notch]

you dont force them to line up unless you will only be able to get one more cast of both off

[delicate berry]

Use fusion on cd

Is what I do

Regardless of what else is up

[ebon notch]

so if the boss is on 30% or smth and flag is up but vendetta is 30s off

you delay flag for vendetta

cause you're only going to get one more cast off of each of those abilities before the boss dies

[upper flax]

so in the middle of the pull i just use flag and trinket on cd then?

and dont hold for vendetta

[plain thistle]

vendetta doesnt buff trinkets

[upper flax]

yeah that I know, but having em macroed is kinda nice since they are on the same cd, ium talking about flag and trinket

[dark token]

Eye definitely harder than H Sylv

[ebon notch]

only near the fight do you start desyncing

[dark token]

There are actually 0 mechanics on that fight

[ebon notch]

no mechanics on heroic sylvanas?

are you tripping or

[dark token]

Yeah

[ebon notch]

when did you kill it?

[dark token]

I started patch 3 weeks in, joined my guild not knowing anything what the boss did and just dodged circles on the ground and killed it

1 pull

[ebon notch]

and thats how you deduce that the boss has no mechanics?

[dark token]

If you can do a fight entirely knowing nothing about the mechanics

It's 0 mechanics

[ebon notch]

i see

[dark token]

Vs eye you actually have to swap and watch your debuffs

If you don't know how debuff works u wipe

H sylvanas probably the easiest end boss I remember ever

[brazen zodiac]

ehh i wouldnt say that but its moreso really easy to pick up on whats going on

[ebon notch]

if you dont know how the debuff works in p3 you wipe

[brazen zodiac]

like u see one guy facing out with melv ur gonna do that when u get it

[ebon notch]

if you dont know how the chains work in p1 you wipe

[dark token]

No?

You just don't get pulled in intuitively that's very obvious

[brazen zodiac]

^

[ebon notch]

will people dying to their arrows

cause a wipe or not

[brazen zodiac]

how did u do on remnant frozen haha

[ebon notch]

that is what you are talking about

[dark token]

Debuff doesn't matter whatsoever except for healers

Remnant?

[brazen zodiac]

yeah did you one shot it not knowing the mechanics?

[dark token]

I shadowstep boss when I got blown back

Yeah

[brazen zodiac]

ah

[dark token]

If I got a bomb raid said go to edge and I did

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

[dark token]

That's it

[brazen zodiac]

none of the mechanics are really like hard and probs can just pick it up when you see it lmfao

[dark token]

Yeah

[brazen zodiac]

i did the same kinda. a lot of stuff seems pretty obvious

like the chains as you mentioned

[dark token]

I think this raid is extremely easy mechanically compared to most

[brazen zodiac]

this is my first raid so i wouldnt know but they do seem really easy

[dark token]

The debuff on sylvanas is entirely a healer mechanic

Unless you are the one assigned person running up picking up stacks

I didn't even know it existed

[brazen zodiac]

which debuff u referring to

the p1 or p3

[dark token]

P3

[brazen zodiac]

ah.

the stacks in p1 seem to kinda pwn when its like 4-5 but idk. i enver get that many lmfao

[dark token]

What stacks in p1

[brazen zodiac]

if u get hit by shit u get a debuff that has to be cleansed by standing near a chain

[dark token]

Lol

[brazen zodiac]

u get one periodically regardless but if u get hit by the circles on the ground u get more

kinda like painsmith intermission

[subtle tundra]

its not if you get hit by shit, its just random

you can get unlucky and get 3 stacks in a row

[dark token]

Idk I just dodge circles and never knew anything about cleaning stacks and it was fine

[gritty mason]

if im using dashing in AoE do i just keep CT up and envenom while its u

[brazen zodiac]

from what i've seen it's if you get hit by shit, but it's also random (u get one overtime, like i said)

weird

guess im just a lucky gamer tamer

[dark token]

Something like sire you actually had to know mechanics a little

Sylvanas is like chase boss and dodge

[brazen zodiac]

and press ur buttons!

[dark token]

Like I said I can't remember an easier end boss

[subtle tundra]

apparently sylv hc is harder than first 3m bosses

[brazen zodiac]

apparently to pugs lmfao

[ebon notch]

it was when your raid ilvl average was 240 lmao

[dark token]

I have no idea how it was hard unless the gear check was very tight week 1

[brazen zodiac]

its a lot of individual player responsibility

[dark token]

Even in pugs kt seemed to take like 10 pulls

[ebon notch]

because then it doesnt matter what the mechanics are, the raw damage output can just murder you

[delicate berry]

And it was at the edge of night that I struck out to get a Blizzard

[dark token]

But sylvanas 1 pull

[brazen zodiac]

thats what happened for me lmfao

[brazen zodiac]

^

[dark token]

kt > remnant > fatescribe > painsmith > sylvanas

In heroic pugging diffficulty

[brazen zodiac]

i only ever 1shot fatescribe idk

fatescribe kinda my favorite boss

same with rem and painsmith

kt the real pug killer not my boy fate

whats ur dom set @ if u started 3 weeks into the patch

[subtle tundra]

i guess should be r4 close to r5

i have r4 frost and r4 unholy, and can get r5 frost next week

while starting from beginning

[brazen zodiac]

how do u have both lmfao i wont be getting r5 for another 2 weeks

ahhhh ok

i didnt know how they worked at first and leveled them up one at a time qq

[ebon notch]

how tho

i upgraded my rank 5 frost this week

and have rank 4 unholy also

[subtle tundra]

what not *reclearing for a month does to a mf

[brazen zodiac]

how much u get? its like 60 per weeks right if u full clear heroic and a few bosses on mythic

[subtle tundra]

nah

its 61 if you fully clear mythic

[brazen zodiac]

ah

[subtle tundra]

and we've been extending for way too long

thankfully, next week reclears start

[dim estuary]

hi guys what's your opener ST and AOE with master assasin ?

[brazen zodiac]

q e r a d

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

muti - snd - muti - gar - flag - rup - vend - shiv - vanish - muti - env - muti

[dark token]

R5 frost, got it this week

[ebon notch]

whats our opener on the nine

i cant seem to do big dam without running CT

[strange python]

!opener

!opening

[subtle tundra]

what i do, not sure if its best, is i open single target and during shiv i garrote the other one at some opportune moment

rupture after shiv

[strange python]

do you have a opener macro? lol 😄

[subtle tundra]

literally 3 lines above what you typed

[strange python]

oh I just read this

yeah yeah, I'm sorry

[kind talon]

My guy that’s it

Lol

[ebon notch]

wdym just pure single target rotation/

you dont wanna get a rupture on the other target first or smth

[kind talon]

And then you garrote the other one after ma window

You can if u want

[ebon notch]

i was doing mut garrote on main, rupture alt target, then ST opener on main target

[kind talon]

I mean sure

Sounds fine

[dim estuary]

I mean the legendary + subterfuge sorry

[limber lion]

the legendary

Still, refer to the guide

[dim estuary]

so I take subterfuge but play this way ?

so I still apply 3 garrote even with MA ?

[delicate berry]

I don't like ct

Never run it so not sure myself

[slow marsh]

Are you talking about m+ using ma leggo?

If you are using ma leggo you don't go subt you take NS with MfD

[dim estuary]

yeah

ok makes sense

i'm going to use obediance but I have to fill with MA atm xD

[slow marsh]

Yeah it'll be weird then cuz you either sac dmg now and use the same opener as obed to get used to it or you learn two different openers / builds

Not that it's hard at all

[dim estuary]

sac dmg ?

[slow marsh]

But

[delicate berry]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-nuts-kung-fu-training-pain-endurance-gif-7886249

Sac dmg

[hollow river]

sacrifice damage

[dim estuary]

xD

[slow marsh]

With MA leggo you play NS MfD and kinda do your opener backwards vs normal

[dim estuary]

yeah I get it now, thanks

[hollow river]

can be better for lower keys tho can't it

since stuff dies so fast

[slow marsh]

It let's you do actual damage in low keys before everything dies yeah lol

[hollow river]

i wonder how much it does. curious to test it now

[slow marsh]

You should it's fun imo

[hollow river]

never tried it before but have an old MA left over

until we can scrap

[slow marsh]

And the best part is you can just slot in zold and play the same build and it's still good

For higher keys

[hollow river]

really

haven't heard that before

[slow marsh]

I mean subt with iron wire is obviously better utility and easier to play well but yeah

NS is kinda sleeper talent for keys

iirc NS is also not too far behind the 'normal' talent builds for ST as well, compared to the bad talents that is

[strange python]

whats our m+ trinkets? phial and?

[oak sky]

Sim

[hollow river]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[oak sky]

Or

U mean what you would grind for?

[hollow river]

or run Droptimizer/D slice

[strange python]

oki cool

[oak sky]

Because that is shadowgrasp totem

[strange python]

and what do we use wat soulbind for m+

mad tea guy?

[hollow river]

fusion amp if u can raid

that u should sim

soulbind can be diff

[strange python]

ok cool

[shy meteor]

is it better to use sbs for shiv windows or during gemstone windows? jw - the faq says gemstone but from logs it shows just for shiv windows

[hollow river]

1 sbs in opener, from stealth. and then in gem stone windows.

for ST

[shy meteor]

gotcha - and is it worth it to get one more envenom off during a shiv window and let rupture fall off, or to re apply rupture?

[hollow river]

never let you bleeds fall off

if you have to reapply inside your shiv window, thats fine

just press shiv on CD

[shy meteor]

even if u haven't had the chance to pool energy for shiv?

[obtuse robin]

pool b4 its up

otherwise yes

[shy meteor]

yeah - i got that, but sometimes applying rupture/garrote syncs up before shiv comes up and i don't have time to pool

[obtuse robin]

but u have such a wide window for pandemic

[shy meteor]

pandemic?

[obtuse robin]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[obtuse robin]

if u have one of the basic wa for rogue ui the skills will glow when its pandemic time

[shy meteor]

ah gotcha, is there like an ideal time to reapply garrote/ rupture - like 3 or 4 seconds? I've kind of just been following a weak aura - been stuck at 95 ilvl parses so trying to get to that 99

[obtuse robin]

i dont think so no just use the time to prep for shiv

garrote is 5.4 sec and rupture is 7 sometihng

[shy meteor]

gotcha - and for vanish just link that with an empowered shiv/ envenom right?

[brazen zodiac]

hi black!

[obtuse robin]

always have shiv up for vanish

yo

[brazen zodiac]

whats poppin gamer

[tawdry portal]

does the envenom buff have a pandemic and if so what is the optimal refresh time?

[brazen zodiac]

@fathom flax hm theo was like a 140+ dps increase lmfao

[oak sky]

Pretty sure it does but you pretty much just pool before envenom

You don't really play around the envenom debuff exactly

Envenom buff*

[obtuse robin]

theo is bae

[brazen zodiac]

on god

[thin gate]

guys a bit offtopic but what do u think is the class benefiting most from the "uncap" @ the incomming patch?

[obtuse robin]

warr

survival

[thin gate]

assa pog FOK CT

well i mean prob necro mastery crit inc with zoldyack

[kind talon]

Hunter

Specifically bm

[obtuse robin]

has nothing on survival

[kind talon]

Seeing that 8 capped classes are now nerfed until 13

[obtuse robin]

with carve uncapped

will be best aoe in game if left like that

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, wild fire cd reduction in big pulls is gonna be nutty

[brazen zodiac]

thts what my bf said too black

survival comin in HOT

the rare 10 players gonna be hyped!

[marble hemlock]

@ruby idol

[obtuse robin]

which im actually fine with its fucked up the state blizz has left that spec in for years

[marble hemlock]

Wdym

SV is already in a good spot in m+

[obtuse robin]

they r

[marble hemlock]

It has start been pretty solid in raids every tier

The problem isn't the spec

[obtuse robin]

they have never been a fotm

like every other spec seems like it has got at one point

[marble hemlock]

It's that it belongs to a class that is ranged, and melee real estate is already super crowded

[ruby idol]

carve cdr not gonna get uncapped

uninformed wannabe sv fans

know nothing

[marble hemlock]

Wow

Okay bruh

[ruby idol]

idk ive gotten asked like 100 times since the announcement

cdr was capped in bfa

carve itself does 0 dmg

[marble hemlock]

Joins rwf guild, insta toxic to plebs like us

[obtuse robin]

was it capped in legion

[ruby idol]

the spec was extremely different in legion

[obtuse robin]

was it tho

[ruby idol]

yes

[marble hemlock]

You think they'll cap cdr at 5 still?

[obtuse robin]

[ruby idol]

yeah the cdr will be 5 id say with like 99% certainty

[obtuse robin]

well yea it makes sense

[slow marsh]

so a lot of specs get nerfed, some kinda nerfed, and some buffed

[marble hemlock]

That as certain as us doing rogue pod cast?

[slow marsh]

pog

[marble hemlock]

[ruby idol]

i think this is much more certain

[slow marsh]

I'm wondering if they keep the 5/8 distinction or if its hard capped at 5

[marble hemlock]

Shattering my hopes

[slow marsh]

The wording wasn't necessarily clear on it imo

[marble hemlock]

Any new thoughts or insight on outlaw dad?

[obtuse robin]

[ruby idol]

fuck outlaw

how it doesnt get uncapped

hope*

[neon thunder]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[obtuse robin]

toxic

[ruby idol]

that spec is an abomination

[obtuse robin]

that spec is literally a health hazard

ask my wrists

[marble hemlock]

Can't wait for uncapped CP gen

[slow marsh]

i can confirm my brain cells have reduced considerably since playing outlaw

[subtle tundra]

Can't wait to be happy

[thin gate]

does any1 know at what pull sice FOK + CT spamm will be better than rupture refresh with the target uncap?

[marble hemlock]

No

Nobody knows

[slow marsh]

CT spam will be worse wil uncapped

[marble hemlock]

Ptr isn't even a thing yet.

We don't know what other tuning might be happening etc

Or how the damage decreases per target beyond a certain target count

[subtle tundra]

you, uh , ah its uhh , yea so, umm , yes, that umhmh

[marble hemlock]

So we'll have to wait and see, maybe in a month we'll be able to make some predictions

[soft shale]

yea just wait for the trinket changes and shit too

this one will cook for three months at least

before the attention span of apes diminish after bc part 2 dwindles

[obtuse robin]

at this rate 9.2.5 wil be last patch b4 10.0

[iron geode]

in m+ should i strive for more mastery over crit?

[soft shale]

crit still top

[winged kindle]

Crit is better, but mastery is also fine

[soft shale]

just mastery overtakes vers a little

[winged kindle]

Your CP generation in AoE becomes more consistent with higher crit

Which means you get your bleeds out faster, and reduce your FoK spam

[balmy condor]

@marble hemlock fancy seeing you around here

[slow marsh]

Seli been in here more than you lately wym

[spice spire]

[sterile ocean]

Question if i made a ticket to a Gm would they be able to help fix my legendairy i accedintly made a 2nd doomblade legendairy tuesday and i ment to make Dashing scoundrel >.<

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

They don’t refund that

[sterile ocean]

@balmy condor ah i wasnt really gonna ask for a refund just change the legendairy

[balmy condor]

That’s roughly the same thing

And they don’t do that

[sterile ocean]

true yeah

[balmy condor]

I remember someone tried it early in the expansion

And they basically said that there’s 3-4 prompts for you to double check

And if you still craft wrong after that that’s on you

It’s a 235 though

[cobalt pelican]

ya idk there's a 5 second long pause

[balmy condor]

So not really much lost

[cobalt pelican]

where it's like

hey bro r u rly rly RLY sure

[sterile ocean]

right but id have to wait a few weeks to make dashing scoundrel

[balmy condor]

?

No you don’t

It’s a 235

It’s just ash

[sterile ocean]

i have a 262 base one in my bags

right but i used my ash this week to make that 2nd cloak

[balmy condor]

You can farm ash

[thin trout]

infinite supply of ash

[balmy condor]

I don’t even farm ash and I’m swimming in it as well

[sterile ocean]

how much is a 235 cloak for soul ash?

[balmy condor]

Idk

[oak sky]

You get 2k ash passively every week

[balmy condor]

5150 I think

[full tide]

5150

[balmy condor]

262 is also 5150

[sterile ocean]

ah

i got 2450 ash right now but i also have 1040 cinders

[balmy condor]

The only thing holding back legendary crafting is cinders, and the gold for the piece if you’re poor

[sterile ocean]

yeah i dont have the gold

[balmy condor]

Ash should be overflowing in your bags if you’re just doing the content

Didn’t you just say that you have a 262 base item in your bag

[sterile ocean]

old content?

yeah i do

[balmy condor]

???

I’m so confused

[sterile ocean]

that was gonna be for the dashing scoundrel but i accedently crafted doomblade

which i dunno how when i clearly did pick dashing x_X

[balmy condor]

Why does it matter though

You crafted a 235

You still have the 262

You still have the cinders

[obtuse robin]

picked the wrong base item while also pickign the wrong leggo

[sterile ocean]

^

[balmy condor]

[obtuse robin]

lol

[balmy condor]

How do you mess up twice

With that many prompts

[sterile ocean]

i dident mess up twice

that was the 1st time for me >.<

[obtuse robin]

yea u did

[balmy condor]

Aight now I’m just lost

[obtuse robin]

u ment to craft dashing 262

instead u craft db 235

two mistakes

but ash is farmable

so yeah

[sterile ocean]

no the 235 was gonna be a Dashing but ended up doing doomblade for some reason and i was gonna do the 262 later when i get cinders

[obtuse robin]

so still 2 mistakes

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[balmy condor]

So you lost nothing

You just wasted 5150 cinders

Which you’ll get back in time for the cinders anyways

[sterile ocean]

true

[obtuse robin]

pre buying 262 instead of going from 235 > 262

[full tide]

You don't have dashing right now which sucks

But next reset

You get a 262 of your choice

So dw so much

[balmy condor]

Doomblade isn’t even bad

[obtuse robin]

i wonder if ur necro

[full tide]

He's Venthyr

Can see flag on his bars

[sterile ocean]

@full tide what you mean by 262 of my choice?

[full tide]

Uh

You can craft which ever legendary you want at 262

[sterile ocean]

yeah i know but next reset i wont have the cinders

[obtuse robin]

u have the 262 already

[full tide]

He has the base item

[obtuse robin]

yo

[full tide]

Not a 262 legendary

If I understand

[obtuse robin]

dot need cinders if u already have that

im so lost

oh

i c

ur fine

[sterile ocean]

i was confused to i was thinking they giveing a handout on a free 262?

[dense hamlet]

[rocky sluice]

this might be a stupid question but does kidney shot work on painsmith? i see sin rogues using internal bleeding talent on him

[oak sky]

that talent row usually doesn't matter for damage

it shouldnt work on bosses

[brazen zodiac]

wait u can farm choreghast for soul ash now?

didn't know that lfmao

[oak sky]

since 9.1

[brazen zodiac]

never needed soul ash so

or needed to get it i should say

[oak sky]

i never farm it anyway

the higher droprates are good enough

[brazen zodiac]

im guessin you can do layer 9 or somethin

over and over or is just better to do 12

[oak sky]

idk whats best over and over

probably is 9 or something tho

[brazen zodiac]

thx

[dawn ivy]

GOT MY FUCKING DAGGER

FINALLY

WOOOOOOO

[oak sky]

which difficulty

[dawn ivy]

246

[charred wraith]

congrats!

[oak sky]

thats sick man

lets goo

[dawn ivy]

fucking dozens of kills and finally got ONE

[oak sky]

i havent killed yet this week

i think im gonna miss my guild heroic run

[brazen zodiac]

what dagger

[oak sky]

and i really don't feel like pugging it

[brazen zodiac]

did u get

[dawn ivy]

edge o night BABY

[brazen zodiac]

papa bless!

ima get mine in the vault on tuesday c:

ive been gearing up my friends rogue with him and he manages to get the dagger ive been trying to get for a month on his first run

.<

[kind talon]

Cause we are going to dinner

😳

[oak sky]

😳

nah might be busy

[strange python]

dashing scround build still best right?

[kind talon]

Yes

[strange python]

damnit

[wintry mica]

i think doomblade is as good or slightly better for necro still

[strange python]

i jus wanna be a obdience rogue

[kind talon]

Yes

[kind talon]

Do it

[wintry mica]

go play sub then XD

[kind talon]

It’s close

[strange python]

ew no

[wintry mica]

yea even with like r5 frost obe is still pretty close to dashing to me

[agile geode]

Dashing Is Better for me as necro assa

By 50

Not thats much

[wintry mica]

yea definitely much closer

[strange python]

oo

i ran like 7 plaguefalls today

for a phial

not a single drop

[agile geode]

But Is smoother and Better for cleavr than Doom Blade right?

[wintry mica]

welcome to PF jail

[strange python]

hhahaha

[wintry mica]

I honestly hardly notice the difference between dashing and doomblade

you play them basically exactly the same

[strange python]

guys im hot

[wintry mica]

so yea even at r5 frost obe just simmed 4 dps above dashing for me

so you can def just make obe

[strange python]

with more gear

will obe take over

like ilvl

[wintry mica]

no

[strange python]

hmm ok

i'll c wassup

the energy regen from dashing will help hit out 30 stack flags

[wintry mica]

not really

unless you get really lucky youll be hitting like 22-26 flag stacks

[strange python]

i'm doing that anyway

without it

[wintry mica]

yea low energy isnt usually what limits flag stacks

[strange python]

fair

[wintry mica]

and I dont even think over the duration of flag you gain enough energy for an extra muti cast

so 3:34 heroic guardian kill it regend 401 energy for me

which definitely isnt bad

[strange python]

fair not bad

i love my assa

[wintry mica]

but if you like obe

play obe

[oak sky]

yeah energy isnt the issue its cp generation in general

[wintry mica]

the difference is small enough that it doesnt matter

[oak sky]

you need god crits for 30 stacks

[wintry mica]

feel like you need god crits and lust to hit 30 as sin

[strange python]

but doesnt dashing help the frost shit

bci t needs crit

[wintry mica]

yea dashing has good synergy with frost

[strange python]

ah ok i thought ur meant to be getting 30 lool

and ive been fucking up

[wintry mica]

nah thats sub that gets 30 stacks

we avg like 25ish

[strange python]

oh ok thats good then

ig

[lunar elm]

whats the crit sweet spot for dashing

i have r4 frost and 40% crit but i feel like my winds arent doing shit

[oak sky]

sim

[wintry mica]

theres no sweet spot

[oak sky]

rank 5 will juice the damage a lot too

[dense hamlet]

no sweet spot just sim ur gear w.e sims best is sweet spot

[wintry mica]

just use what top gear tells you

[lunar elm]

yea idk

sucks cuz i lvl my UH set to r4 and then swapped to frost dashing

[dense hamlet]

well alot of ppl did that

[lunar elm]

and now i feel like im behind

[wintry mica]

true

[oak sky]

i did the same thing

get r5 frost next week

[wintry mica]

i caught up and got r5 frost last week

[oak sky]

its all good

[lunar elm]

i just got r4

on reset

[wintry mica]

yea youll be on r4 for a bit then

[lunar elm]

whats a decent dmg for winds? mine are hitting for like 55k-60k

[wintry mica]

thats pretty normal

[lunar elm]

ive heard there was a way to play around it to maximize its dmg whats that about

[wintry mica]

there is one secret

crit more

[dense hamlet]

[wintry mica]

theres no way to game it that isnt griefing your overall damage

it just hits every 20 seconds and you dont have to think about it

[lunar elm]

okoK

[rocky pecan]

I wish I was r5 frost :( missing 1 ember

[arctic hare]

Whew

thats always fun

[north basin]

i saw mine hitting for 80k

i saw dh hitting for 350k

dunno how

frost has his ways,

[brazen zodiac]

@wintry mica hi ray

[hollow river]

disgusting

[wintry mica]

@brazen zodiac

[brazen zodiac]

i better see u on bright and early tuesday for heroic run mister! >:)

[rocky pecan]

Notrickz what your char name ?

oh is this with 5 stack of alacrity right ?

[hollow river]

no its with IQD buffing haste

[rocky pecan]

kek

[idle star]

If anyone links over 40% crit and 25%+ haste its always a proc

[deft obsidian]

😂👌

[balmy condor]

#allnatural #nofilter #nocheese #dontlookatmyweaponstooclose

[karmic crystal]

I was going to mock your weapons but

I actually just feel bad for you

I hope you get the fattest vault in the world

[hollow river]

[karmic crystal]

Only daggers

[balmy condor]

I usually have sylv dagger in offhand

This gear set only exists to get as high crit as possible

[karmic crystal]

Oh okay

That makes sense

I thought a 210 sword was your best sub offhand you had available and I was never going to cry about my loot luck again

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t play sub if I didn’t

210 sword offhand for sub gets beat by like ilevel 50 or 60 green daggers

Would be my guess

[karmic crystal]

That’s why I thought it was so tragic

[deft obsidian]

Imagine not having a 252 dagger, oh wait 😭 what is life

[balmy condor]

A regular 252 slow offhand gets beat by ilvl 75 daggers

Like with shadow tech buffs in 9.0.5

The gap is massive

Nyalotha daggers beating vault axes and stuff

Kinda wild

[karmic crystal]

But let’s say hypothetically that was the only weapons you did have

Would it be worse to play outlaw with a 210 sword or sub with a 210 sword

[balmy condor]

Probably sub I would think

[versed mica]

Sub worse def

Outlaw oh dagger is usually better than having two swords

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it would be 30 iLvL down on mainhand

[versed mica]

Oh I missed that part

[balmy condor]

So the question is how much mainhand ilvl can you sacrifice on outlaw vs crushing the proc passive on sub

And I think 30 ilvl probably would be better

Slow offhand on sub is a crazy loss

[versed mica]

It's pretty bad yeah

[balmy condor]

My guess would be probably closer to 40-45 ilvl

Is when it gets worse

[brazen zodiac]

hey, does anyone know a good website that numbers which classes and specs are better in dps? the ones im lookin at seem to be pretty incorrect

[versed mica]

What are you looking at?

Like, what site?

[brazen zodiac]

i was looking at this https://www.noxxic.com/wow/rankings/dps

but my friend said it appeared to be pretty incorrect. i'll grab the other 2 i was lookin at

[versed mica]

Ah yes, noxxic. The worst WoW source of all time

Best place to look is probably warcraftlogs

[brazen zodiac]

LOL

[versed mica]

There's a section to see scores by class

[brazen zodiac]

ah oaky. thx

[versed mica]

I still can't believe someone still runs noxxic, it's been terrible for years

Idk how they get clicks

[brazen zodiac]

im guessin this was what you were referring to?

[versed mica]

Yup. The scores change by difficulty too

[brazen zodiac]

thanks now uh time to figure out how to read this lol

[versed mica]

But those are the statistics of players who logged

[brazen zodiac]

ahh

[versed mica]

So the dots are the very far right are the highest scores

The linw in the middle of the bars are the average

[brazen zodiac]

hm

just trying to make a few alts that will do as much as sub rogue or sin rogue cause why not lmfao

but cant seme to find a site that explains which classes/specs are better

[balmy condor]

Noxxic in 2021

Wow

[brazen zodiac]

ig this is a start tho thx

[versed mica]

The dots out outliers so I wouldn't worry about them

[brazen zodiac]

ah

[versed mica]

I would look at the averages mostly

[balmy condor]

I didn’t even recognize the logo

[versed mica]

I would also change the raid difficulty to whatever difficulty you are more likely to do

For instance, I'm a filthy casual who only does normal and heroic for aotc, as I don't have time to dedicate to mythic raiding

So I would set the difficulty to heroic if I were looking at the scores

Bc some specs do better in different difficulties

[brazen zodiac]

maybe i should learn how to play outlaw and sub before dk and 4 other classes >.<

[versed mica]

Whatever floats your boat

[iron geode]

any tips on my m+ mob damage my overall dps takes a big hit because of it

[fallen arch]

Noxxic

[balmy condor]

Well what are you doing right now in aoe

[rancid spade]

you need to ramp fast 4 garrotes ct then rupture

[brazen zodiac]

how are you getting 4? starting from stealth with sub gives 3, do you just vanish after?

[ancient rain]

you get 3 with subterfuge and the 4th is a normal one

or is it 2 +1 i cant remember why do i even speak

[sinful cradle]

3 empowered 1 normal

[strange python]

Straight up how is sin comparing to outlaw/sub in mythic+? Looking to return to wow but really fancy coming of sub to sin

[hollow river]

i mean in high keys it can do good damage for sure.

not really sure how its stacking up to sub and outlaw though.

sub would win for sure in SD, DoS, HoA, maybe NW and MoTS too.

[balmy condor]

Worse than outlaw and sub, but it’s probably fine unless you’re trying to do 24’s

[strange python]

Think I'll just stick with sub, not looking to play seriously anymore just a decent time waster, cheers

[shadow tusk]

theotar or nadja for tryhard keys?

[north basin]

@balmy condor where i can see 12350dps assa ventyr gear?

in FAQ

[balmy condor]

I don’t tell people because they see bis gear and try and farm it and stupid shit

Gonna have to find it yourself

[north basin]

look at this

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fcDb9CaqMRfHDGedLrH9Qi

[balmy condor]

Cool

[north basin]

im trying to figure out where i can take anothere 200+ dps )

[balmy condor]

Good luck!

[north basin]

its not fair!!!

xD

[balmy condor]

I’m sure you’re familiar enough with raidbots to figure out what your next upgrades would be

[north basin]

just look at the pieces. and stat weights, crit haste still top and there is no better items in that category ingame. i mean haste+ crit

i miss something?

[balmy condor]

Stop using stat weights

[north basin]

its our metrics for next upgrade? no?

[balmy condor]

[north basin]

if i see crit at top and haste folows, i start to look for piece with haste + crit?

[balmy condor]

2016 called, it wants pawn back

[fierce hill]

[balmy condor]

Just use droptimizer like a normal person

[north basin]

just link ur gear set xD it wont break us! i promise

[balmy condor]

It’s literally not useful

[north basin]

i was playing yesterday with different upgrades in raidbots, just cant surpass this 12100 mark

[balmy condor]

Like bis lists do not help

They don’t do anything

[north basin]

ye i understand but for science purposes only !

xD

[balmy condor]

xD

Go find it yourself, use droptimizer, and get more vault rng

Idk what to tell you

[pastel shale]

[north basin]

ok fine ( u just want these 200 dps for urseelf!

[balmy condor]

No I just literally don’t care

[north basin]

[zinc frost]

I mean if your 12100 it would be just vault rng or whatever you don’t have from raid

[balmy condor]

The other 2 potency slots empowered maybe

Like

Idk

Just Logic it out

There’s sims that tell you what’s an upgrade

They do that for a reason

[north basin]

first potency emp was like +25 for me. so i thought there is something elsee

2 more is like +50

[balmy condor]

Yeh it is something else

Lots of little things

[north basin]

still somewhere 170 dps missin )

gona find it

[balmy condor]

Have fun

[north basin]

its better than game itself! playing with raidbots xD

[balmy condor]

I’m glad you’re having fun

[north basin]

ah i found ur gear set, its using same items i linked, but it was mechagnome

[limber lion]

Mechagnome is not 200 dps

It's barely like 20 if that for frost/dashing

[north basin]

yep.

[limber lion]

Blood Elf is really good because of the passive crit.

[azure rune]

1 question... its better oil+phantasmal potion than stone?

[keen dome]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[north basin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rmQn1eUUQYWXeU3MUz9zTY

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mcnxwenHhpiWjowhAjQYbb

help me find 214 dps plz!

somebody xDD

assa hive mind can do it!

220 actually even.

[limber lion]

You don't even have the same gear.

Like, it's not that difficult lol

Different pants, different boots, different neck, different belt

[wet ruin]

no enchants on rings

[limber lion]

No enchant on boots either

Or chest for that matter

[alpine garden]

hmm idk whether to craft a 262 dashing or db

[balmy condor]

You’re the only one who cares man

It’s not rocket science

[alpine garden]

I just know if I go dashing they'll scrap dom shards in 9.2 and it'll be "Ok" again

[limber lion]

But with the arrival of 9.1.5 we can scrap our legendaries

So it doesn't really matter

[alpine garden]

Oh yeah

Fuck it then haha

[rocky rain]

Wait, what?

[balmy condor]

With the arrival of 9.1.5 we can scrap our legendaries

Gives a full refund

[zinc frost]

Now if the patch would just drop next week that would be wonderful 🙏🙏

[alpine garden]

Refund legendary, get new one for each boss, also change cov at the same time. Each pull takes 30 minutes to prep for

[steep obsidian]

i mean the bases will still cost ya so that sounds kinda expensive

[north basin]

strange. in raw input it shows ",id=186299,ilevel=252,gem_id=187312,enchant=eternal_agility"

but on mouseover there is no enchant

maybe i need to put id of enchant and not name

[limber lion]

Yeah, those are not shown on the tooltips. Try ,enchant_id=6211 instead

[north basin]

maybe thats the difference, raidbots undestands id and not name (

i will resim.

[balmy condor]

The enchants work fine

Shows up on all the gear from the last sim

[limber lion]

Yeh, that might or might not be how we do our cheaty sims.

[north basin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/csEkZdjBTm1qwSmW6TdXm6

hm just replicated same gear, and cant get same resullt, only difference is not mechagnome and no 80 renown. i probably miss something but i dont know what

[balmy condor]

I think the worst part about all of it is that it’s always stat weights

It’s the subtle touch

That just hurts so much

[fallen arch]

Y our name different color bro

[zinc frost]

I’m all about that cute salmon colour name 😉

[fallen arch]

Salmon

[fallen arch]

Mechagnome it

Oh u did already

[north basin]

nvm cant replicate it. i gave up

[fallen arch]

Idk why u’d want to tho?

[north basin]

wanted to see if crit stil a king at 50% crit unbuffed, in frost gear.

and secondly just wanted to double check 12350 top dashing venthyr gearset

via stat weight sim on raidbots,

[onyx rain]

you guys swap to poisoned katar for keys?

[burnt star]

I estimate 2-3 month oof ptr. And 1 262 is around 3 week. So we have time to have 2-4 new 262 before patch drop. Shouldnt matther much. The refund will be interesting for leggo u used the wrong stat in.. but then again u can get a new 235 quite fast anyways.. so eh! Nice feature but shouldnt affect 9.1 raider anyhow.

The interesting part is for 9.2... when the balance change again

Or if they do a big class tuning for rogue in 9.1.5 that change the current balance of the spec

[north basin]

in 9.2 they should present something meaningful for guilds regarding rogues, we do serious ST damage now, but still majority of guilds recruit locks mages owls xD

[thorny pond]

Good ST for melee isn’t enough for multiple spots unfortunately
DH is good, ferals are ST sleepers, etc

[fiery mauve]

Well locks and mages are needed for buff/utility

Owls have the best dps in cd

[fallen arch]

And they have utility too

Lets not forget

[thorny pond]

It will be interesting to see the balance. We were unlucky that rogues in top world guilds had bad shard luck otherwise we may have been represented more

[hollow river]

yeah unfortunately only bdgg ran a rogue the whole race, which is still 👌 but had echo or limit run one, would have been magnifique

still though, in recent couple months, i've found no trouble when trying to find a guild. even if they already have a decent rogue on the roster already.

whether that is because so many people are quitting the game though, i cannot say.

[rigid pine]

Definitely affects it

[hollow river]

for sure, but even in my current guild, and the last one i trialed with, the rosters were 25-30 and already had a rogue but were interested in having 2.

a little before guilds started bleeding players

[dawn condor]

Limit would have run a rogue, but he didnt get his shards

[hollow river]

yeah i know

they tried to run the rogue in at least 1 fight iirc

kt?

maybe a little sylvanas when they were switching people around? can't remember

[lavish lichen]

Pretty sure they did run 2 on guardian?

But like easiest boss ever so rip

If that fight was as hard as painsmith

Srry sludgefist*

[fallen arch]

It should have been

[shut garnet]

yo how is uncapped CT gonna work, is the bleed gonna do X dmg to 5 and then scale down past 5 or

[untold nest]

Lemme ask my magic 8 ball since its not even on the ptr and when it goes on ptr it will be changed 3000 times before live

[manic pebble]

Do we get a lot of value from PI?

or it's better for other classes

[lavish lichen]

You do get good value, but it also is better on other classes

[violet jackal]

There a chart somewhere but we get amazing value from power infusion. I believe affliction warlock get the most benefit followed by one of the hunter specs then us

[lavish lichen]

Venthyr boomkin

[hollow river]

check #wow-general pins for PI values per spec/class

[hollow river]

there's quite a few more than that ahead of us.

[violet jackal]

In terms of overall dps out though we are top 5 by that chart I think, keratoconus currently making it hard for me to visually sort that chart right now

[limber lion]

No, the worst part is that he's comparing your sim, which was done before the frost apl was changed, to his sim that was done after it.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gJ94VV2ztS266PXM5Ym6ev
A simple re-sim does the trick.

[north basin]

ye its sad what assa-faq wasnt updated.

[cursive silo]

because no one cares

[winter vapor]

KSM feels a little unwhelming compared to season 1

Aware I'm late to the party anyway but still

[torn atlas]

On one hand I've got a couple 19s timed, on the other I have 14/10 on Sanguine Depths and 2.1k+ io.
I don't hate the change but the real challenge is the 20s for portals.

Compared to last season when I was very late getting KSM.

[hollow river]

yeah i feel the same. 15s feel like 12s or something in comparison this season.

[stray mural]

On fort weeks do we just take double stat powers in keys or is stats and dagger still the play

[slow marsh]

Fort you should maybe take volcanic depending on dungeon

Volcanic and axes probs

Especially if another dps takes volcanic

[subtle tundra]

necrotic dagger is stronk on forti aswell

[slow marsh]

Yeah if nobody else is taking volcanic or you just don't care about interrupts then dagger axes is the play

[stray mural]

This week I’ve been taking crit necrotic because I wasn’t sure if the execute could generate enough overall value

Next week is probably going to be a different story. I’ll try out Axe/Volcanic in a few keys

[slow marsh]

Well it's execute and it does decent damage so just depends on when you're picking it up in the key I suppose

[stray mural]

True

I’m sure in keys like Mists it’ll have insane value having it before the maze

[slow marsh]

Dagger axe is pretty solid for tyran for bosses in general too

Mists is also I think the only dungeon where bolstering is an option

But I find that packs usually die at the same time in my group so it doesn't really work if that's the case

[supple topaz]

At what crit, % should I consider swapping to dashing/Frost. I've tried both unholy and Frost but I've saw more success with unholy and doom blade. I've got my Frost caught upto to unholy again and I'm at around 30% crit. I'm going to test it out later in the week but just wanted to see what people's experiences were.

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/MP3gUJw.png

fuck painsmith heroic man

i got PI but there was no monk buff or windfury so it cancels out

[stray mural]

I’d argue between 35 and 40

It also depends if they’re leveled

[supple topaz]

Yeah they're both lvl4 atm.

[stray mural]

If you have close to 40% you should sim it and switch if it’s better

[supple topaz]

Yeah I need to build some more crit and reevaluate it.

[flint arrow]

Guys I play mainly SIN Venthyr doing mixed content (m+/raiding) what legendary do you advice for mixed content (I already have Zoldyck , Doomblade and Master Assassin)

[fallen arch]

Zoldyck for keys, doomblade for raid

Maybe get obedience or dashing next if you play frost set

[dark token]

If you already have all 3 of those 262 you should get dashing for raid

The good legendaries for sin are: dashing (bis raiding as venthyr), obedience (all around good m+/raid as venthyr), doomblade (raid as necro), and zoldyck (m+ king)

[spice spire]

Dashing pulls ahead at the end for Necro as well

[dark token]

You have to have very high gear level and r5 frost iirc

Compared to venthyr where it wins right away

[spice spire]

I think r4, but yeah more of a stretch to get there

[dark token]

I personally built dashing > obedience > zoldyck

Since I care about raid a little more and obedience allows me to play sub too

[balmy condor]

Ah true

[indigo mulch]

Isent that super old?

[balmy condor]

It’s 9.1

[limber lion]

Yes, very out of date.

[balmy condor]

[supple topaz]

Seems relevant considering it says it's upto 259 ilvl

[limber lion]

It has not been updated since the shard buffs...

A lot of specs are using completely different setups...

[balmy condor]

Yeh

11k on sin

Wildin

[limber lion]

[arctic walrus]

@limber lion sim check

[obtuse robin]

[limber swallow]

@balmy condor re: 9.1.5 target cap change, does the damage reduction beyond the target cap apply to Crimson Tempest's initial damage AND DOT damage or is the DOT full damage? (or do we even know at this point?)

[balmy condor]

We don’t know

[limber swallow]

ok, thanks. Hoping it's just the initial because that'd be confusing shit

[balmy condor]

I think koji said something about regulating the bleed damage would be difficult based on the code

So might just be limited by the game tbh

[limber swallow]

yea, otherwise, it'd be doing a lot of calculation every single time you CT rather than just running apply_aura

[indigo mulch]

I don't think dots were affected by a limit cap ever though right?

I'm pretty sure that's the case atleast.

[limber lion]

Wouldn't be surprised if they just decide to even out the damage depending on target count instead of the "full damage on 5, reduced on other targets"

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cHrGbkfjPuJ5GCJEqvNrrH

[indigo mulch]

Your gear is so nutty

wtf

[arctic walrus]

I can’t compete bro stop

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d8xc3CpZNi6tg5Xb3sNVUy

[hollow river]

someone asked for values i point em to chart.

[indigo mulch]

How much % crit is that @limber lion

[limber lion]

ngl, getting the soulrender belt and fatescribe helmet pumped my dps up quite a bit

[limber lion]

Around 48.5%

[arctic walrus]

Reclear actually gives you loot?

[limber lion]

[arctic walrus]

I only have 4 pieces equipped from vault, and fate helm is the only raid item

[indigo mulch]

None of the rogues have seen sylv daggers yet.

I still havent even got my 5th dom socket yet 😄

[limber lion]

Pretty sure my heroic KT shoulders are the only piece that I've gotten from the vault

Everything else from the raid

Vault is dead content