assassination

[stray mural]

On Fortified that entire room is just one big meat pile you have to churn through

[arctic hare]

Jeez

[stray mural]

So like you have two pulls that you gotta do then you have i think its Varuth right in the middle before the Urn and then you gotta rip two more double pulls and Urn them

[arctic hare]

I haven’t done anything higher than a 16

[stray mural]

You’ll get there man

[solid nymph]

Should I aim for the frost set even if I only have 32% crit? Or would you guys go and upgrade unholy gems

[stark smelt]

Does a 246 edge beat out a 252 in MH?

[stray mural]

100% yes on the dagger thing

I’d personally sim it but the heroic dagger should be beating any 252

[halcyon zealot]

no

for assassination it won’t

[stark smelt]

Awesome ty didn’t know how strong ilvl was

[sinful cradle]

You use highest ilvl in mh

And for assa 252 oh can be better for some people, best to sim it

[stark smelt]

Currently wearing a 252mh and 246 edge in oh

Just wasn’t sure if double would be better

[halcyon zealot]

no

can sim but 99.99% chance no

[arctic hare]

Good god lol

[stark smelt]

I think last time I simmed it the answer was no but couldn’t remember if it was for any reason

[halcyon zealot]

the effect isn’t that great for assa, so the dmg you gain from a higher ilvl outweighs it

double edge would be sexy for sub tho

[stark smelt]

Maybe that’s what I was thinking about, I remember a pinned message before the faq channel that basically put an LFR edge on par with way higher ilvl daggers

In OH that is

[arctic hare]

Hey, stupid question, what if its dual mythic daggers 😂

[limber lion]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[brazen zodiac]

@stark smelt i wish that was the case for me lmfao. been tryna get edge for weeks. i join 1 lfr and i get it and it doesnt even sim higher 😢

[stark smelt]

Oof, I got lucky on first heroic kill to get mine, been hunting a second normal or heroic since

[brazen zodiac]

papa bless

[stark smelt]

Accidentally opened last weeks vault as outlaw

[brazen zodiac]

my guild has another rogue so im in luck

[stark smelt]

So I have a 252 axe now….

[brazen zodiac]

cant u regen or is that not possible

never played other specs f

[halcyon zealot]

i also only have 2x 246 daggers, outlaw is the last spec out of the 3 id choose to play, and got the 252 soulrender axe last week also

its nice for my ilvl set atleast ~

[brazen zodiac]

ur rollin!

[stark smelt]

Damn you basically beat the game

[halcyon zealot]

7 HC sylv kills no dagger

benched rogue who came in as a fill to be a warm body looted it tho !

xD

[tardy sluice]

if I kill 3 mythic bosses the vault will only have loot from these first 3 ?

[stray mural]

No just everything but KT/Sylv

[halcyon zealot]

itll have loot from any mythic boss youve killed before, so if its only the first 3, then yes

[stray mural]

Wait I thought only KT/Sylv was excluded and the rest of it was available

[halcyon zealot]

no

[peak bobcat]

Is DS best leggo for soulrender or is it worth to run obedience ?

[alpine latch]

I mentioned it earlier... My alt rogue (main is Horde, alt is Alliance) looted it on the first Heroic run. I'm pretty annoyed.

[alpine latch]

To my knowledge the only thing that's locked from the GV is the bow.

[brazen zodiac]

so my dream of waking up and there being a mythic dagger in da vault may still come true sir?

[alpine latch]

As long as you've killed her on Mythic, it's a possibility.

[brazen zodiac]

oh that dream is dead

but one day for sure :D

[harsh lantern]

next tier

[brazen zodiac]

next year pog

[harsh lantern]

we can just get mythic nerzhul dag

Oh wait my guild has one priest

[brazen zodiac]

im p hyped that my new guild has another rogue

them chances increasing

[harsh lantern]

I’m solo rouge in mine

[brazen zodiac]

f

[harsh lantern]

never see one yet

[brazen zodiac]

we pray tonight brother

[harsh lantern]

but I got 252/242

[brazen zodiac]

or sister

[harsh lantern]

Let’s pray

[brazen zodiac]

pray and play

[harsh lantern]

I know since I just max valor my phial it’ll be in the box

[brazen zodiac]

dude i trolled with my valor cause im new

idefk remember what i spent it on

[harsh lantern]

I been inting mine as well

[brazen zodiac]

last patch but it sure as fk wasnt the shit i shoudla been

f

[harsh lantern]

got my phial and had like 30valor with cap XD

spent like 2 weeks on this thing

[brazen zodiac]

i have a shit ton of crit+mast for m+ tho hyped to see what i can upgrade in the near future

crit+m gear i mean

[harsh lantern]

I never done a dungeon as sin yet

all my 15s I go sub and press the two button special

[brazen zodiac]

ive only ever played sin rogue so idk what other classes feel like

[fervent rune]

Sin m+ is more hectic than the others

[brazen zodiac]

but i can do decent damage in a 19 so i feel ok

[harsh lantern]

Ye

sub is nice and calm

[brazen zodiac]

idont ever see myself pushing 21+ so

[fervent rune]

Constant switching instead of the 2 button spam haha

[harsh lantern]

yeah

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

[harsh lantern]

2 button spam works for me XD

[brazen zodiac]

but thats kinda fun

[harsh lantern]

I’m not pushing rio barely have to stun in 15s

[brazen zodiac]

somethin about rocket jumpin from stealth and pressing ur buttons is funny af

[harsh lantern]

Just 2 button win

goblin

yuk

[brazen zodiac]

i honestly find like 17 and 18s easier than 15s idk

[harsh lantern]

for sin prolly

[brazen zodiac]

maybe thats cope tho

[harsh lantern]

Mobs dead in 2s in 15s

[brazen zodiac]

im kinda running obedience cause sims higher but i miss zolk

[harsh lantern]

just get rid of aoe cap

So boomkins don’t me sadge

[brazen zodiac]

idk what u mean by that haha

[harsh lantern]

pull and boomkins does 2x the damage with one button

starfall go bang

[brazen zodiac]

ct go swoosh

[harsh lantern]

I’ve only seen like 30-40k on my sub

no 100k club

[brazen zodiac]

i feel like im personally doin somethin wrong cause im gettin like average 11k-16k per pull

if i use vanish and vend i can get around 21k but idk

[harsh lantern]

If mobs die fast

prolly won’t

[brazen zodiac]

mobs do die fast yes

[harsh lantern]

yeah ur bleeds prolly tick like 4 times

And pack gone

[rotund moat]

I cant put my finger on sin AoE anyone got a short breakdown?
Is it 5 combos -> rupture around if crimson tempest is up?

[brazen zodiac]

i just wow to open so i can begin my 6 hour sim and cope fest

[harsh lantern]

6 hour sim

What

[brazen zodiac]

i dont have an account so i lose my sims and either resim or sim a lot and it takes a decade

basically im silly

:D

[spice spire]

local simming or hyperbolic?

[brazen zodiac]

xdd

[winter vapor]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W2Db7rkSIiT56b0PXQPjugZATnyx6aDOflx4oZgVwgs/edit pretty good starting point - even if he has left us for Sub T_T

[wary pawn]

@limber lion should i play sin or sub for progress painsmith? i feel like i do low dmg on balls/adds as sin

[limber lion]

You can play either. If you want to improve your ball/add damage, then yeah, go Sub.

I played assa because we didn't really need either

(even though I was still top 3 damage on the balls)

[wary pawn]

Ty

[north basin]

we actually have to damage balls? iam proging there too

i thought its some range burden )

[red plaza]

P2/P3 definitely when progging.

[stray mural]

If they aren’t dying fast enough then yeah it’s everyone’s job

[iron orchid]

definitely throw some FoKs for cp gen

And iirc cev's take is to rupture the focused orb

[gusty mirage]

everyone has to until your ranged stop being apes

esp important in p2 and p3

when the overlaps are just rough

[thin gate]

guys for soulrender progress rather go 2-3-1-2-1-2-3 or 2-3-1-2-1-2-1?

[pure moth]

What's the range on it. I always feel like I'd die trying to hit it. (They die quick already cuz heroic)

[thin gate]

is the Chrimson Tempest cleave on Adds worth it to spam for more Frost set ST Damage or should i go for poison bomb

[bronze fiber]

anyone got a good plater profile

[gusty mirage]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

if you want to be the best you gotta play like the best

[bronze fiber]

Ty

[gusty mirage]

np

[bronze fiber]

How can i get the combo points on it

[gusty mirage]

I believe its a plater setting

@limber lion does your profile not have CPs on the plate by default?

[limber lion]

It does, but plater unfortunately does not transfer that setting

You have to turn it on yourself

[gusty mirage]

In retail there is another option: /plater -> General -> "Resources on Target"

there ya go @bronze fiber

[gusty mirage]

that's so odd, it should just like copy all your settings too

plater why you do this

[wide stone]

i need help bois

Should i craft dashing scoundrel or Obedience for sub

whats more fun from your guys exp

[halcyon zealot]

for sub? obedience

[gusty mirage]

obedience is good enough for sin, and great for sub

that was my first 262

cause I was multi-speccing

[wide stone]

sorry, i phrased the question bad

[thin gate]

obedience is a go for, for sure u can play assa raid assa m+ assa pvp with it and also sub m+ raid and pvp

[wide stone]

should i craft DS and go ass

or obe and go sub

[thin gate]

double sylvana dagger is sub force

t5 frost set is assa pog

anything ur up for i guess

[gusty mirage]

I'd probably just make obedience and then just make dashing later

[thin gate]

both are fun

but yes obedience and maybe dashing after

dashing is only good with 40% crit ~ and t5 frost set and that also only in raid for assa

[gusty mirage]

yea dashing's very niche compared to obe

which you can play in literally everything

and for both specs

[wide stone]

dashing sounds fun tho, im rly torn

haha

[thin gate]

go for what ur hyped

but dashing forces u to play assa in raid with t5 frost set

idk how long uve been playing shadowlands now and how ur gear looks

[wide stone]

217 rn, got R4 doomblade, not even close to 40% crit yet

[limber lion]

Now that you mention it, that is actually super weird because I've heard of complaints about people wanting to turn them off after installing my plater

[wide stone]

just got back from CN

[stray mural]

Is Zoldyck better on Fortified weeks

[thin gate]

@stray mural obedience sims very high on assa in cleave

even slightly above zoldyck

[stray mural]

I am Necro

[thin gate]

well then zoldyck i guess

[stray mural]

I’ve been thinking about going Venthyr

[thin gate]

id recommend u going for obedience for the start.

[rotund drift]

wait we want frost and not unholy?

[thin gate]

assa = frost, yes.

[rotund drift]

fuck

went full unholy xD

[thin gate]

LOL

[stray mural]

It’s fine I did the same thing

Just save your gems

[thin gate]

frost is broken with dashing scoundrel its actually my #1 dps

[rotund drift]

why didnt i look it up earlier? xD

i got doomblade tho

[thin gate]

all the dots aa ect safe alot of damage

doom is good thoo

for frost set

[rotund drift]

necro doombladeu nholy 😄

[gusty mirage]

yeah I've had some plater profiles enable them and some not enable them

its a total crap shoot

lol

[stray mural]

I have zero performance issues that’s what I have

[thin gate]

any crits u deal get safed (up to 180 damage per crit) for 30 seconds and then unleashed for big 60-100k crits pew pew

[rotund drift]

i mean i also perform pretty good in raid(mostly 2nd or 3rd in dmg) but every bit i can get, i take that 😄

wich means, saving embers, crafting dashing and upgrading frost 😄

[wide stone]

i go Crit haste on all assa leggos aye?

[rotund drift]

crit mastery on toldyck

zoldyck for keys*

[thin gate]

well i got haste versa on my lego obedience cloak (also for pvp) but actually for raw pve u want crit haste for 95% of the time

[wide stone]

ok

[rotund drift]

mostly i see crit mastery on high keys with zoldyck

[stray mural]

Wait is crit vers* not the play in high keys

Have I been screwing myself

[gusty mirage]

crit is the only relevant stat for m+

2nd one is just preference

[rotund drift]

vers is always good, i just like the danger xD wich is why i go for mastery > haste > vers

but i got 12% avoidance from gear :>

[gusty mirage]

vers has the caveat that it also gives you some DR

[thin gate]

as i said i got haste versa on my cloak bcs i use it for pvp also and crit haste is pretty much big on assa for 95%

[gusty mirage]

so a lot of people like having more vers

[sterile ocean]

Crit haste here for raiding

[rotund drift]

yeah haste is always big 😄

im on 39% crit, 25%haste and 27% mastery with cirt/mastery zoldyck cuz keys

for raid im on 39% 28% 24%

[gusty mirage]

secondaries are whatever

[thin gate]

yh i prefer obedience over zoldyck, since it gives us some dr as already mentioned and its slighlty above zoldyck. (+multi specable) but zoldyck is also fine overall, enjoyed also playing it for a long time

[gusty mirage]

you want high crit in m+ for the cp generation

you want high crit in raid for frost

everything else is whatever

[stray mural]

I always sim everything anyways so my stats can’t be terribly messed.

[gusty mirage]

^ this is the way

[rotund drift]

same xD

[thin gate]

i guess 40% Crit is a thing in 9.1

[rotund drift]

yeah i actually enjoy having a somehow execute phase with zoldyck, its fun

[thin gate]

cant wait for mastery to get buffed in next patch pls.

[gusty mirage]

[rotund drift]

i mean mastery is almost ok - good on every class except for outlaw, where its almost utter trash xd

[thin gate]

yh but in raid its like even worse than versa

[rotund drift]

its still dmg 😄

[thin gate]

aight ima take it.

[rotund drift]

😄 ❤️

[stray mural]

BOY IS IT

[thin gate]

@stray mural if u dont have 40% crit u aint even playing 9.1

[rotund drift]

!!!!!

[spice spire]

????

[subtle gyro]

so at 40% crit and only rank 2 shards...is it even worth lol. Speaking of Frost

[thin gate]

sim it

[strange python]

[subtle gyro]

i am currently

[thin gate]

shouldnt be that bad tho

[south hollow]

I know it's probably not that important, but which one is the best opener?

[gusty mirage]

is this from infexious

[south hollow]

Russ - Infexious - quick sim

[gusty mirage]

idk who russ is

but infexious is an idiot

[proper sage]

[south hollow]

Really?

[gusty mirage]

really

[south hollow]

damn

[strange python]

[subtle gyro]

care to elaborate?

[gusty mirage]

Besides his spicy fried takes and his repeatedly wrong information?

[thin gate]

well i was currently playing Mutilate-Slice-Mutilate-Garrote-Flag Vendetta Racial-Rupture-Shiv-Vanish-Mutilate-Envenom-Mutilate-Envenom

[gusty mirage]

How he called the frost shard correction in sims "nerfs"?

[oak sky]

i mean

the point of the APL is that it plays perfectly

[gusty mirage]

Just clickbaity shit to get more views

[oak sky]

so do that opener

100% of the time

[gusty mirage]

because his end goal is money

which is fair

but people seem to watch his videos

and he makes himself out to be some sort of god at rogue

so it becomes an issue

it's more an issue with youtubers than it is specifically him

but he doesn't do himself any favors but pushing clickbait shit

[red plaza]

Where did the YouTuber hurt you?

[gusty mirage]

It didn't

[stray mural]

The only YouTube guy I watch is JustRuss

He’s cool

[gusty mirage]

Just exhausted fixing misinformation

If you're cool with it, more power to you

[subtle gyro]

fair enough, but is there a better option of Rogues on youtube with current content? Curious

[stray mural]

JustRuss is a cool dude

[spice spire]

Justruss pops on occasionally and is general decent info

Not perfect, but who is? He’ll at least lead you down a decent path

[stray mural]

His name plate style guide changed my life

[gusty mirage]

I can tell you who isn't

[rotund drift]

youre a cool dude

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage changed my life

[gusty mirage]

it rhymes with scrumptous

I just dislike that certain youtuber and his spicy takes

🙂

[oak sky]

#assassination changed my life

[spice spire]

Smh snowflakes and their triggers 😛
Infexious is decent player - bad information given a lot of times so I’d take it with a large grain of salt

[subtle gyro]

u forgot crispy aswell 🙂

[dry copper]

anyone know of a plater profile/script that puts combo points on nameplates similar to Kui?

only ones i've seen are ugly as sin

[spice spire]

You can just look up KUI and one pops up, it’s nice for me

[harsh lantern]

Doesn’t cevs do that

Or am I blind

and just imagine them there

[dry copper]

i imported it today, and didn't see it

[harsh lantern]

Ah yeah I must be blind

[south hollow]

Also this might sound stupid, but if the target already has rupture when you pop vendetta and flag is there any point in reapplying it because of clipping?

[harsh lantern]

I like his profile tho

[oak sky]

you only reapply rupture when its in pandemic

[thin gate]

what do u mean with clipping? the pandemic window?

@agreon aye.

[south hollow]

I may have used the wrong term

[peak wasp]

Crimson tempt viable in mythic plus?

[thin gate]

just keep garrote + rupture + CT if skilled on and other cps into envenom

[spice spire]

No

[gusty mirage]

yes

[spice spire]

Always run CT in m+

Always

[thin gate]

u can go for poison bomb in tyrannical but even there ct is overall better

[spice spire]

Did you mean snapshotting? Our bleeds do not

[south hollow]

yes snapshotting was the word sorry

[spice spire]

No worries king, happens to the best of us

[thin gate]

i thought that there are no snapshotting mechanics

or am i wrong

(currently)

[visual prairie]

snapshot only happens on a nightstalker rupture?

[spice spire]

Night stalker and Exsang both of which are currently bad talents for us rn

[visual prairie]

maybe? and some feral druid stuff

[spice spire]

So for all intents and purposes, there’s no snapshotting for rogue

For now™️

[stray mural]

Subterfuge Garrote would like a word

[spice spire]

[worn panther]

There is not really snaphshooting in Rogue currently, Subter Garrote and NightS Rupture are just empowered versions, since Snapshot would mean it didn't scale with Haste procs or updating stats

because it's not "increase your dmg by X for Y seconds" NightS and Sub are "Ability does X% more dmg"

[thin gate]

@worn panther ty, 4 ending this conversation sir.

[worn panther]

xD

[thin gate]

no, honestly.

thanks 4 clearing things up.

[worn panther]

Talents' wording can sometimes get really weird xD I mean, we have people playing Sub Rogue for a whole expansion and still think Dark Shadow increases dmg by 30%

and for a good while I thought Exsanguinate duplicated the haste value of dots, instead of literally making the dot go twice as fast

[stray mural]

Wouldn’t that be the sickest stuff

[worn panther]

yeah xD Back in BFA r27 haste bleed build, I looked at Exsanguinate and thought it was like the most bonkers talent ever, but nah, it's just more burst

[thin gate]

cant wait for ppl asking if MA applies on trinkets.

when tooltip says AA and abilities kappa

[worn panther]

well. that's slightly different, because now we're talking about Whitelisted and Blacklisted stuff

[thin gate]

sry i meant vendetta

vendetta tho

[worn panther]

and it's something you just have to know

Oh yeah Vendetta is Rogue dmg only

[thin gate]

worst thing on bfa was CT>Poison bomb st tbh

[sharp zodiac]

For M Sylv prog should I take PB to try and carry P3 boss dam? Or run CT for phase 1/2?

[thin gate]

check logs but i think most ppl run pb

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah it’s 85% PB

Just didn’t know what the CT enthusiasts felt

[nocturne geode]

unless you need the damage in p2 you should not run ct

other classes are better for that

you should be prio targeting the main adds IE the summoner and the other one

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah makes sense. And I’m on the big coke can man on the split

So PB makes more sense

[nocturne geode]

yessir

🙂

if your group need the damage also and you can then prob play sub/outlaw for that in this case instead of CT imo but ct does help if you NEED it

[sharp zodiac]

Necro sub in raid

[nocturne geode]

thats fine lol still does enough

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[balmy condor]

[nocturne geode]

done jusdge me whispyr i cant take it

[topaz saffron]

So I actually found a new guild to raid with after mine dissolved after normal sylv kill 🥺

[nocturne geode]

sadge

[sharp zodiac]

Hey I did some meme pulls on Painsmith as Necro sub. It was fineish

[balmy condor]

I’m judging moroes cause the command hasn’t updated

[nocturne geode]

there all fineish def not minmaxing but all covs can kill any boss

i p sure ive alteast killed 8 bosses as every cov now might need to still do nf

but doable lol

def will be more fun to do in 9.1.5 when were not weekly locked

and after the cove retuning pass

[sharp zodiac]

100%

[nocturne geode]

night fae makes my brain explode tho

[sharp zodiac]

Can’t wait for the “can I get a summon back I’m changing to Kyrian for this fight. Can I get a summon back I changing back to Necro for this fight”

[nocturne geode]

prob wont happen all the time but def will be interesting

kinda hoping they just let a book do it

theres a w/a out there that lets you see all the cov stuff anyways

like the soul binds ect*

[balmy condor]

It’ll happen on every fight for higher end guilds

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah the 9.2 swapping min/maxing will be fun to see

Can’t wait for the inevitable “which cov leggo combo do I play on this boss @balmy condor” questions

[balmy condor]

And I’ll have a pin or an faq for it and destroy their career with a “did you read?”

[obtuse robin]

the guide gonna include best cov for every boss

cant wait

[thin gate]

Pins pls.

[balmy condor]

Probably faq

[oak sky]

Night fae leggo bis on sylv

Its coming

[nocturne geode]

yeah i can see that more so during the wf race/ HoF stuff but prob alot less down the line, also im saying this before the retuning too so you will def prob be more right

[balmy condor]

My guild will probably do it

We’re on painsmith atm

[gusty mirage]

Although soulshape would be nice for painsmith prog

So when my shadow priest does 7k total damage to the spiked ball I can soulshape through them

[nocturne geode]

yes but the cov ability while intersting def takes alot of getting used to

atlest for me it did anyways

;3

[buoyant fossil]

What's a good uptime to aim for envenom when looking at logs? 80%?

[balmy condor]

80 seems reasonable yeah

[rocky rain]

Does shadowstep get me back on the remnant platform?

[gusty mirage]

As long as you do it before you’re floating in the air, yes

So like when you get blown back, if you’re off the platform step won’t work

[rocky rain]

hmm ok

[buoyant fossil]

I just SS right after the last blast. CD lines up

[gusty mirage]

So if you’re going to face inward on dispels for example, scoot in a bit so you have some space to react

also get the MD weak aura it’ll make your life so much easier

[rocky rain]

MD WA?

can you link it?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I got you one sec

https://wago.io/CrwNCtWEH

[rocky rain]

awesome ty

[gusty mirage]

[rocky rain]

That just shows if someone is casting MD?

[gusty mirage]

Yep

It’ll pop up that giant bar anytime MD is being cast by anyone

[rocky rain]

yeah that helps a lot. ty

[misty holly]

I already want them to roll the change back... that sounds awful.

[obtuse robin]

sounds fien to me

[oak sky]

If they let us swap with codex its gonna be totally fine

Like actually no trouble

If they dont then oh well, we probably wont swap for toooo many fights

[obtuse robin]

we call already swap soulbinds with out having to be at the thing

im sure some1 will make the same thing for cov

leave the instance go to venrai swap run back

[oak sky]

Ptr problems

Maybe they dont have it then we give them the feedback and they listen

[obtuse robin]

actually i need to try to soulbind swap with a book to see if that works

[oak sky]

It works

[obtuse robin]

nice

[oak sky]

Wait

I think it does

I know you can change your psths

Paths

Actually it does

Remember the theotar potion cheese? Then you swap back to nadjia

[obtuse robin]

yea it does i just tried it

so cov swap with book cross fingers

[fast frigate]

does it worth to switch cov rn? If yes, should i go vent or necro?

[balmy condor]

If you play fae atm it’s worth switching cause it’s terrible

Everything else is fine

[fast frigate]

I play Kr but i think i can do better

[idle star]

Im just bored. 240ilvl. Cant really raid mythic due to shift work. Got some 99's and heroic. Did a lot of m+. Did some pvp...

Now what... i really feel this is it for wow. Ive never felt this way. Its been 17 years almost.

[oak sky]

Well if you cant clear all the content you run out of content

Its really that simple

Maybe 9.1.5 will add something for you to do

Who knows

[alpine garden]

Maybe another daily grind 🙂

[terse talon]

Easy fix: get another job! (or no job at all)

[alpine latch]

Most of us have taken breaks over the years man. Maybe it's time for a break. Come back if/when you feel like it. Gaming is all about having fun, and if you're not having fun there's no point in sticking around.

[narrow ravine]

this game needs more content faster, not just the same content with harder modes, like I really don't want to do the same 8 dungeons with a new affix and call it 'good'

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t need more content faster it just needs to retain any of it

Wow has a really bad habit of adding something like azerite, legendaries, order halls, artifact weapons, and then fixing it all expansion

And once it’s fixed

They trash it

[narrow ravine]

me and a friend were talking about that, they need to stop making old content worthless, they are leaving so much in the waste when they could be developing in a way that uses all past content in the current system

[balmy condor]

And add something else that they need to fix all expansion

[narrow ravine]

expand on the game dont replace it every 2 years

[alpine latch]

It really doesn't. People burn through content faster than ever because we are all focused on being the best. The issue isn't more content. The issue is that there's the better part of 2 decades of content that is completely useless every time a new piece of content gets added.

[narrow ravine]

imagine all previous dungeons in the game were in the seasonal rotation for m+

[alpine latch]

That's been my #1 gripe about m+ since it came out. I don't want to run the same 8 dungeons for 2 years. I want to challenge myself on all content.

[narrow ravine]

you could play and not get as bored so quickly

[alpine latch]

Preaching to the choir man, lol.

[narrow ravine]

as long as the dungeon was tuned and the gear was for this season, all the old dungeons could be used too

[alpine latch]

There's no reason that they can't perfectly tune it all

They just don't.

[balmy condor]

They’d have to tune trinkets and there would be some fuckery but most of the gear from dungeons is just primary, 2 secondaries, and that’s very repeatable and linear

[alpine latch]

SimCraft exists. They can perfectly balance the classes with ease. They can, literally, change the variables for spells and tune it fucking all. They just don't.

Maybe they just need to stop making broken ass trinkets?

[balmy condor]

That’s just not how the game works btw

You can’t make things equal on a simcraft chart and call it a day

[narrow ravine]

the team making content is separate from the tuning numbers guys, id suspect it would be an ongoing process as people found new combinations that out perform

[alpine latch]

Oh, I don't want things 100% equal. But when a spec is 20-30% better than another with zero tradeoff, that's an issue.

It's okay for some specs to just be "better" than another, but there should be a tradeoff.

IE, some specs should just excel at ST. Others should just excel at cleave.

The problem is when specs excel at both

[balmy condor]

I definitely think the legion m+ thing is curious

Might be a test to gauge interest in old world m+

[alpine latch]

I'd be fine with the gear drops just removing trinkets altogether. I know that would probably be required for non-current m+ to be a thing

Hell, make it no gear and you just do it for fun

[narrow ravine]

just seems to be in their best interest to repurpose older content, refresh it to modern standards and start building depth rather than replace everything each expansion

[sonic spire]

Is the legion M+ just not going to have loot? I’ve been wondering but haven’t read about it anywhere

[narrow ravine]

when is the last time you went to the rest of the world, dunno about you but as an engineer I dont even go to the old world for AH

[alpine latch]

They also need to scale the dungeon to US, not us to the dungeon. I'm tired of breaking timewalking because they can't figure out the scaling.

[narrow ravine]

the game feels smaller because the rest of the world is unused

[balmy condor]

We don’t know, but my guess is that it caps at like 213 or 226

[arctic hare]

I go to the old world every once in a while, old raids, etc.

[alpine latch]

We shouldn't be able to wear Shadowlands leggos, Legion leggos, MoP ring, and Heart of Azeroth and go into TBC timewalking and do 6-10x the damage as it's scaled for.

[alpine latch]

You do. Imagine if you could do it scaled as an actual raid and not just legacy content, though.

[wintry mica]

Just let me use fangs of the father in timewalking please

[arctic hare]

That sounds pretty fun, but my Tmogssssssss

[alpine latch]

You'd be able to get the transmogs from it. It would just be a challenge and not a 5-10 minute clear.

[sonic spire]

So “catch up mechanic” where one piece is inevitably broken AF and high end players will have to go farm it 😂

[wintry mica]

I bet they will try to make everything an ilvl where it isn’t useful in high end content

[arctic hare]

Probably

[wintry mica]

I mean normal Timewalking is what like heroic dungeon loot basically

[arctic hare]

Uhhh

I think?

Sounds right I believe

[wintry mica]

Plus if it’s in the timewalking schedule it’ll only be available 1 week every like 4 months

[narrow ravine]

what was that old trinket from Legion that affected your main 2min cooldown that everyone wanted

there is no reason timewalking needs to be gated, they could timewalk the entire game every day without limit

[wintry mica]

Convergence of fates?

[balmy condor]

Doubt it

They nerfed legion trinkets into the ground multiple times during bfa because of abuse

And they were all raid trinkets

Not dungeon

[narrow ravine]

but no one really cares about getting dungeon blues from timewalking, what I think they need to do is allow m+ on any/all dungeons and drop current tier loot at 236 with valor upgrade options based on m+ score

[balmy condor]

Dungeon ones were meh

[wintry mica]

Yea no chance they let something OP come out of this

Or if they do it’ll get nerfed very quickly

[alpine latch]

Legion didn't have Tyranical/Fortified, right?

[balmy condor]

It did

[loud light]

it was the level 10 affix in legion

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[sonic spire]

Yeah I believe it’ll get nerfed but I would be really pleasantly surprised if something like that korthea box caster trinket doesn’t happen and they get it right the first time

[narrow ravine]

I remember getting quaked to death on the boat in the dungeon in suramar

[alpine latch]

I know there was no seasonal affix. For some reason I thought it didn't have those

[balmy condor]

My dude

They already got it right

All this shit got tuned down years ago

[wintry mica]

Blizz doesn’t have the best handle on what trinkets are going to be powerful, but they’ve had plenty of time to know what to watch out for with this

[balmy condor]

Literally 0 legion dungeon trinkets at 246 are an upgrade to current trinkets

[wintry mica]

BuT WHaT iF tHeY dRoP At 252??

[alpine latch]

The OP trinkets for most of WoW came from raid, not dungeons

[wintry mica]

or world quests occasionally lol

[alpine latch]

That's pretty rare, honestly. There's obviously one or two but most open-world trinkets have been historically bad

[balmy condor]

I mean the game changed drastically since legion

[alpine latch]

Very much so, yeah

[balmy condor]

But every patch since legion opened

There has been a really good dungeon trinket

[wintry mica]

all the legion stuff is also already adjusted because of level squish

yea dungeon trinkets are op now

apart from fusion amp

[balmy condor]

The only standout trinkets from raid from legion were like convergence, draught, moonglaives

[wintry mica]

i still have moonglaives for my timewalking set

[balmy condor]

Dungeons had eye, broken shore had arcanocrystal

There was some other one im forgetting

[wintry mica]

fucking 5 years ago legion

[balmy condor]

Bfa had some bangers too, galecaller most notably was a banger

[arctic hare]

oh yeah, galecaller, totally forgot about how powerful that is

[balmy condor]

That mastery shard from motherlode was really good for some specs I think

[wintry mica]

was that the like haste circle?

[alpine latch]

Wasn't Six-Feather Fan pretty OP in Legion too?

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah six feather

[alpine latch]

I remember grinding my ass off for that

[dawn ivy]

cannonball runner

[echo cargo]

Angerboda could be pog if your raid is full of feeders

[balmy condor]

There was also the trinket off of the gold boss in fkin kings rest

[echo cargo]

Lmao

[dawn ivy]

plumage

[balmy condor]

That’s the one

[dawn ivy]

oh wait no midas

[balmy condor]

Midas was terrible

[dawn ivy]

midas was bis dude

[balmy condor]

And from atal

[echo cargo]

Actually wouldn’t EoC be fucking busted atm

[balmy condor]

No

[dawn ivy]

im going to lose my mind next time someone mentions EoC

[wintry mica]

it could be okay if you have shit trinkets already

[echo cargo]

Eoc

[dawn ivy]

people in my guild are also spamming EoC

[balmy condor]

Monkeys

All of them

[echo cargo]

👀

[wintry mica]

what if it comes out and its like old warrior soul level of stats

[balmy condor]

bUt gUyS iT wAs gOoD FiVe yEaRs aGo WhY wOuLdNt iT bE gOoD NoW???!??!??¿¿¿¿

[echo cargo]

You lil salty b

Let me ask pepega questions

[narrow ravine]

that took a lot of effort to type

[wintry mica]

it does take a lot of effort to type like that lol

[echo cargo]

I just want legion m+ to be worth running okay

[wintry mica]

itll be worth running for the weekly quest

[balmy condor]

On mobile btw

[echo cargo]

Chad

[wintry mica]

I'll be shocked if its anything above like LFR ilvl

even thats probably too high

[frosty cedar]

226

[balmy condor]

People also ask why iqd isn’t good anymore

Kinda weird

[frosty cedar]

last season time walking was 200 so normal diff

[wintry mica]

even at 226 none of the drops will be worth it

[balmy condor]

Cause it seems so obvious

[frosty cedar]

ye

[balmy condor]

Like

You get a lot of stat

And then you add more

And it’s not good

Weird

[narrow ravine]

people tend to get AotC within 2 months of a new raid releasing, they cant wait another 7 months to do a new raid these days, they just have to come up with some solution or people are going to switch games

[balmy condor]

You’re telling me a trinket that gives 20% crit when I have 15%, is really good, but a trinket that DR’s to hell and gives me like 15% on top of my 50% crit, is bad?

Fucking wild

[wintry mica]

I thought mastery was the only stat with actual DR?

[balmy condor]

Why

Would that be a thing

[wintry mica]

as in you get less % per rating

not that the value decreases for dps

[balmy condor]

Yes

That’s for all secondaries

[tawdry portal]

so when using DS, if im low on energy and have all my bleeds up, I should be saving my next envenom until the buff runs out to get max legendary value correct?

[balmy condor]

Pooling is good for all talents, yeh

Maximizing uptimes and energy during cooldown phases

Banger stuff

[tawdry portal]

i figured, its just hard not to spam envenom the second I can lol

[spice spire]

Ahh yes of course than you master whispspspspspspyr

[obtuse robin]

i cant wait to farm eoc

[balmy condor]

If it makes you feel any better, when I look at log reviews, people pooling incorrectly and wasting energy is more common, and worse, than people who just starve themselves for 5 minutes straight

[stray mural]

Always hungry always grinding. Gigillionaire grindset

[balmy condor]

Intermittent fasting

But in the game

[stray mural]

Based

[obtuse robin]

can still get 99 parses not pooling tho

not a big deal to learn

[narrow ravine]

not using shiv on cooldown, trying to line it up, one of the larger mistakes I see

larger than not pooling

[wintry mica]

yea just slam that shit on CD

does zoldyck and execute phase make CT worth casting during shiv ST or still just outside of buff?

[balmy condor]

Outside

It is much closer though

Depending on your haste I think it could be better

But any sin rogues with that level of haste probably aren’t min-maxing for that 10 dps

[narrow ravine]

ideally outside but if CT dot is off the target, refresh your dots keep them rolling, try and time it so you dont have to refresh on your shiv window but letting them fall off might be a dps loss

[balmy condor]

That’s not how that works

[wintry mica]

I got like 18% haste so not a crazy amount

[balmy condor]

You 100% don’t force refresh ct for uptime

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’m talking like 30-35-40%

Like that level of haste

[wintry mica]

jesus i didnt even think sims had us go for that amount

[balmy condor]

Eh

I think it’s possible to reach a similar place with obedience venthyr

But frost set exists

Which kinda ruins the whole thing

And also obedience isn’t zoldyck

[wintry mica]

yea I could see that much haste with unholy set maybe but even then crit was always simming higher for me

[balmy condor]

And also zoldyck only used in m+

And you want more crit and mastery for that

So it’s just kinda doomed

[wintry mica]

think obe better if I have really low mastery for zoldyck?

[balmy condor]

Nah

I’m just saying like getting to the point where CT all the time every time doesn’t match the content in which you would do that in

[wintry mica]

yea, was just a thought I had running keys earlier today

[balmy condor]

Cause you’re either not running that legendary, or not gearing for that to happen, or both

[wintry mica]

been using mainly obe until like this week so wanted to make sure I wasnt screwin it up

[balmy condor]

Obed is probably fine

Just change your Details name to “prio damage” that way they know

[wintry mica]

lol

I mean thats me regardless of leggo tho

plus my details name has been give dagger for the past few weeks

[zinc frost]

Aren’t we always prio damage tho

[wintry mica]

yea, some other classes def make me feel bad on some pulls lol

just did a halls and had a frost mage do 12.4k overall

felt like i couldnt do anything

[hollow river]

arance/frost mages right now are insane prio damage

and good aoe

[wintry mica]

at least arcane is harder to play

[hollow river]

had a arcane mage guildie destroy a boss with 25k dps

30 second boss in a 17

[wintry mica]

yea their burst with arcane infinite is busted

[hollow river]

not venthyr boomie levels, but still pretty busted

[wintry mica]

more frontloaded than boomie

[hollow river]

boomies ww's and aff locks are just astounding atm with aoe burst

each one can top at 150k on certain pulls

[old halo]

random question: does the slvy daggers proc for more than one rogue in the raid or did that bug never exsist?

[drifting cloud]

was only on ptr, never made it to live

[old halo]

cool ty, have 3 rogues on team atm, no daggers but just curious

they will be in vault tomarrow XD

[balmy condor]

[dawn ivy]

i know im getting mt first heroic dagger because I have 2 chances at a 259 sylv dagger but its giving me a 246

[nocturne geode]

@balmy condor i think they fixed the kyrian thing w bron a while back my mutilates now all count toward bron even if there back to back just wanted to forward what i noticed since i asked you previously about it when it wasnt counting

just figured id say something since idk if thats reflected in raidbots yet

[balmy condor]

I thiiiiiiiiiiink that was fixed

but that's more of a gnarly simc code thing for @fleet anchor

[nocturne geode]

ahhh alright well ty for pining for me

pinging*

idk how much of an increase that is but def would be one lol

[fleet anchor]

I mean hard for me to keep up with Blizzard's weekly Bron redesign

But afaik things are updated

[drowsy hollow]

There's a situation where Sin can beat Sub single target! Just requires frost set, venthyr, and a druid buffing you!

[fleet anchor]

But who knows

[nocturne geode]

power infusion

[drowsy hollow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kc3eFwE24Cib4Mncc5y7ep

[nocturne geode]

thanks @fleet anchor i just thought id bring it up to yah just incase it might be big

[obtuse robin]

higher then whispyrs sims

[balmy condor]

I mean he's kyrian druid simping every 45 seconds

makes sense

[drowsy hollow]

Yeah, it requires a kyrian druid simping haha

[balmy condor]

if you gave it 100% pi uptime it would be higher than my sim too

[obtuse robin]

lol

[balmy condor]

[drowsy hollow]

You guys are the best target I think since you're in melee.

But good luck finding many raiding Assassin rogues haha

[obtuse robin]

ok what does kyrian druid do

[drowsy hollow]

Kindred Spirits gives you a small damage amp every 45 seconds

[pale plank]

Lmao how high are whispyr sims

[drowsy hollow]

the key to the sim is the kyrian covenant legendary that'll give you a ton of crit

[obtuse robin]

its in sin faqs

[drowsy hollow]

Kindred Affinity is the Kyrian legendary for druid it grants the druid and it's bonded partner 8% of a secondary stat (depending on the convenant of the partner) permanently as well as 8% when the bond is active (which will happen every 45 sec if pressed on cd).

So Venthyr get crit

[pale plank]

Oh shit u mean that 12k?

[obtuse robin]

12,356

[drowsy hollow]

Which 8% perma crit and 16% crit on a short CD make the frost raid set go crazy

[pale plank]

Crazy

[balmy condor]

I mean it's bis

it would be weird if it weren't that high

[obtuse robin]

interesting

[balmy condor]

can take mine to the moon as well

[limber lion]

Too bad no one ever plays Kyrian druid.

Don't think I've seen one since 9.1 launched.

[drowsy hollow]

Druid theorycrafters were bored so they figured out how hard we can simp every dps spec.

[obtuse robin]

in raid anyway

[drowsy hollow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wV2AickO4uLMXAMEgYiiVIrtxxKJForOvdQWXN5oqhg/edit#gid=0

[obtuse robin]

iv seen bear kyrians

[lavish lichen]

9.1.5

We gonna see them

[limber lion]

Raw gain

1369 dps

11.46%

[obtuse robin]

dam 2nd highest

nutty

[drowsy hollow]

I guess Sin scales more with crit than Sub

[dawn ivy]

is this some new tech or just discussing what we already know

[obtuse robin]

surprised to see outlaw dso low

[drowsy hollow]

Also sub default profile doesn't run frost bonus

Curious if they'd win with frost set

Nah, just bored druids seeing what they can do

[obtuse robin]

gonna see alot of this in 9.1.5 i think

[drowsy hollow]

Does Sin run Frost?

[oak sky]

Holy thats big dam

[obtuse robin]

yes

[drowsy hollow]

neat

[balmy condor]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h4GVNuAoEBpDwPLAcjg53m

I can't get the paladin buffs to sim

without it breaking

[oak sky]

wait

what am i looking at

[drowsy hollow]

is that an ultimate simp report?

[balmy condor]

no it's not

[oak sky]

oh its banner pi fae guard and pi

wait

not pi twice

kindred affinity

[drowsy hollow]

Why does Blessing of Seasons break the sim?

[balmy condor]

it's spring specifically I think

healing sims

real jank

I fixed it

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qTHpi5qxBRbYqn8VBQCzPS

there

with shiny graphs

wait

fuck

I forgot

[subtle tundra]

he forgor 💀

[balmy condor]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qhjVhuHR5jGa8MAjqKTDy3

:D

focus magic

average 79% crit on envenom

should play ep deeper I think

with these buffs

I broke it

[drowsy hollow]

is it actually getting summer?

[balmy condor]

don't think so

the pala buffs are really jank

[drowsy hollow]

I mean I can't blame the APL struggling

Who plays Fae Paladin to make optimizing worth it

[balmy condor]

isn't an apl thing

the buff just seems to not work

lack of implementation

[drowsy hollow]

in the sim?

[balmy condor]

but idk enough about paladins to really know whats up with it

[drowsy hollow]

interesting

[balmy condor]

also

lul

[drowsy hollow]

that's some spread

Curious

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean kinda makes sense

with all the crazy buffs and stuff stacking on top of each other

wait

the iterations are super low

wonder why that is

smart sim giving up

[drowsy hollow]

haha

[limber lion]

I do love myself an average 82.5k winds hit*

[drowsy hollow]

20k is neat though

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

[soft shale]

yea if you're venth and you get simped by a kyrian druid alone that one would be like 1k dps or so

then everything on top of it would be crazy

[fringe spear]

Prob highest with a feral because crit > haste and also mage has to go nfae to get the gain and its basically even gains compared to venthyr fire mage

[obtuse robin]

the list is right there

[fringe spear]

The druid gets benefit from leggo as well

[obtuse robin]

only mage nf higher

almost double feral is sin

[drowsy hollow]

Cool to find a situation where Sin can beat Sub though

[balmy condor]

I mean

just sim 2 target

[obtuse robin]

isnt sin better then sub in the most important fight

[drowsy hollow]

hah

[obtuse robin]

i dont see any limit or method players playing sub just saying

confirm @limber lion

[balmy condor]

that's

such a fucking terrible take

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[balmy condor]

in the first 10 kills

there was about a 60/40 split of sin/sub

[obtuse robin]

now tbf

[kind talon]

@balmy condor

eye of command

[obtuse robin]

if frost was found out a bit sooner and a certain % of ppl werent stuck playing sub cuz rushed unholy dont u think that number changes

[balmy condor]

no

because all the first kills were done with unholy, before the buffs

so it actually doesn't change anything

[limber lion]

The thing is that sub gains a lot from the daggers as well

[obtuse robin]

it was ahead b4 the buffs

[limber lion]

And you didn't see anyone running double sylv daggers week 2

[obtuse robin]

or is my memory betrayign me

[limber lion]

Sub was definitely ahead of sin in terms of raw dps

[balmy condor]

yeah it was for sure ahead before it got buffed by almost 40%

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[drowsy hollow]

Well in 8 weeks, perhaps y'all can bribe a druid and a priest. 😄

[obtuse robin]

everytime i tune in to a wf guild stream the rogues r majority sin

for w/e thats worth

well getting a druid to go kyrian should be alot easier then getting some1 to roll enhance

[balmy condor]

then should probably watch more than limit, who didn't have a rogue ready

[obtuse robin]

id watch you but everytime i tune in ur not in ur chair or on a afk screen

[balmy condor]

[drowsy hollow]

Honestly I wouldn't be totally against going Kyrian in raid as a bear. Not like I'm doing anything that exciting

[limber lion]

I was thinking of streaming our mythic clear today but after sitting at a solid 16 fps on Sylvanas, I'm glad I didn't.

[drowsy hollow]

and frankly, the faster a boss dies, the more I enjoy the raid

[obtuse robin]

wdym u dont enjoy the constant dps holds and intermissions

[arctic hare]

Whoot whoot, we get legs as a dom socket now

[obtuse robin]

thats not good at all

[arctic hare]

#wowheadnews message

Why not?

[balmy condor]

no you don't

that's not a dom socket

[arctic hare]

It also says that hands, boots, and legs works to

[balmy condor]

sotp

no more

cease this cringe

it's an activator

it's not a socket

[arctic hare]

CRAP

God i was hoping, annnnd I read it wrong

Still nice to have it as an activator though

[balmy condor]

having a 6th socket

would actually just break the raid

[arctic hare]

Would be stupid op, yeah

Mythic raiders could run their best shards then somethin like blood to increase healing and survivability or frost to further increase dmg

[brazen zodiac]

seeing that 20k dps sim brought a tear to my eye ngl

[arctic hare]

lol

[balmy condor]

it would be blood+frost for everyone

and each dps would be doing 13-14k

and healing for 4k hps

[hollow river]

new wowhead post

[balmy condor]

limit's already taking 2 people on mythic boosts lmao

[hollow river]

O:

[oak sky]

All this is cool but i still dont have hands

[obtuse robin]

so u dont need a helemt for example to unlock holy anymore

[oak sky]

Yes I'm crying when I could buy them from korthia

[obtuse robin]

am i reading that right

[balmy condor]

yeh

[obtuse robin]

man

how much better would this tier be if that was in from the start

[balmy condor]

not much probably

[oak sky]

Yeah people still wouldnt have all their shards until week 3

[brazen zodiac]

hey i think im readin the update wrong. is it sayin set bonuses are now gonna appear on other dom gear basically?

[drowsy hollow]

yes

[With regional restarts] All Domination gear now activate a gem set bonus.
[With regional restarts] Sanctum of Domination Legs for all armor types now activate a gem set bonus.
Cloth: Legs – Blood, Bracers – Frost, Belt – Unholy
Leather: Legs – Frost, Gloves – Unholy, Boots – Blood
Mail: Legs – Blood, Belt – Unholy, Boots – Frost
Plate: Legs – Frost, Bracers – Unholy, Gloves – Blood

[brazen zodiac]

ahh okie dokie

[drowsy hollow]

So you can get unholy set with gloves boots, and chest now for example

[brazen zodiac]

for a sec i thought it was sayin you could add a gem to a dom socket piece i was screaming

not sure why the fuck that wasnt implemented in the beginning but hey u do u blizzard

[obtuse robin]

the start of mythic would been much more smooth ya r bugging

[oak sky]

The gear wasnt the problem at the start of the tier tho it was mostly the shards

[obtuse robin]

yea ok there were also so many ppl who had the oppsite problem

[oak sky]

I meant main problem

But yeah

High end specifically, no amount of split runs could save them from bad rng

[obtuse robin]

i know so many ppl including my own guild who struggled reclear the past 2 weeks cuz they finally got the piece of gear they needed and all the boss timers were fucked up

[brazen zodiac]

for me it was the shards but ik lots of people were complaining about being unable to obtain the gear piece they needed

[obtuse robin]

cuz huge dps increase

nurzul this week was so annoying he doing shit out of turn cuz more dps

[brazen zodiac]

f

[obtuse robin]

for u god gamers might seem dumb but its real

[drowsy hollow]

imagine if everyone could've bought at least the unholy set the first week

[obtuse robin]

but in other news

can only send anima to alts if upgraded sactum to full

just let us do it man

[brazen zodiac]

at least they raised the cap >.<

i saw shard kyr nerf'd and got spooked for a sec

always read everything first >.<

[obtuse robin]

if anything the abosrb on frost needs a nerf

broken

[brazen zodiac]

im super hyped to get rank 4 tomorrow i didnt know how the fuckin rankin system worked lmfao

was leveling them up 1 at a time hwronwrkem

[obtuse robin]

thats how u do it

or u mean all the sets

[brazen zodiac]

the shards yeah

[obtuse robin]

wait

u means 1 shard all the way

[brazen zodiac]

yes sir :c

[obtuse robin]

f

[brazen zodiac]

f

looking at like a 300-400 dps increase with dashing

still not 10k not sure why >.<

wait ur the guy who told me my daggers sucked maybe u can see why im getting pwned

[obtuse robin]

ok

[drowsy hollow]

who's main wouldn't have fully upgraded a sanctum at this point?

what else were you spending anima and souls on

[obtuse robin]

plenty of ppl who dont engage in that stuff

[brazen zodiac]

i think the content is super fun tbh, esp the ember court

[drowsy hollow]

then they wouldn't be the types who need to send anima anyways

[brazen zodiac]

In Queue 221 / 238

tough stuff

[obtuse robin]

?

lol ok

[brazen zodiac]

till its tuesday 11:03 am

then its rough stuff

[obtuse robin]

im sure ppl who play alts dont want korth crystals for their leggos

but alright

[brazen zodiac]

that shit is bank

[drifting cloud]

korth crystals arent worth buying with anima

[obtuse robin]

its jut one exp

[brazen zodiac]

i mean if u have nothing else to spend it on

[obtuse robin]

maybe u want a certain transmog

[drifting cloud]

you can spend it on the leather and make more gold

[obtuse robin]

idk

[brazen zodiac]

hm

[obtuse robin]

why the arbitrary requirement

[brazen zodiac]

i wouldnt know but if u know a strat or two lmk

i just drop 25k every other day cause korthia shits out 7k

which leather are u talking about

[drifting cloud]

one of the 7.5k options

[brazen zodiac]

i did the math and the crystals came out to be higher than the other options from the vendor

but i was also high so probs 100% wrong

[drifting cloud]

unless your ah has some real weird prices

because on mine the hides were better value before crystal buff droprate even

[brazen zodiac]

im on a52 so maybe

[cobalt pelican]

i have 0 upgraded anything in my order hall

[drifting cloud]

and now crystals are 400g or some shit

[cobalt pelican]

i only finished the command table tutorial like 2 weeks ago

[brazen zodiac]

oh theyre like 600-700 on mine still

[drifting cloud]

lets see rn

[obtuse robin]

like some ppl might only care to have the portals

tons of reason

but its w/e

[brazen zodiac]

lmk lmk

[drifting cloud]

25k anima for 5 crystals 350g each or 7.5k anima for 10 hide at 250g each

[brazen zodiac]

bouta sell some more once i finish chorethia

[drifting cloud]

hard choice indeed

[brazen zodiac]

uhhh idk 5 crystals are way more than 350g for me on my server lol

[drifting cloud]

well unless hides are also lower

the crystals would have to be like 1.5k

for it to be even close

[obtuse robin]

on area 52 they 2.5k

last i looked

[brazen zodiac]

yeah theyre still pretty high up there

[drifting cloud]

theyre 560g lol

https://theunderminejournal.com/#us/area-52/item/186017

[brazen zodiac]

yeah thats more than what the hides would go for

[obtuse robin]

i remember selling a stack the other day

prices seem to tank