assassination

[fallen arch]

Oh I meant the quality of life stuff

[iron orchid]

tbh, 9.0.5 changes were also pretty good

[fallen arch]

And proper timewalking

Like switching around covenants

Which is massive for a couple of classes

[iron orchid]

well yeah of course I like being able to play every covenant whenever I want

[fallen arch]

Exactly

Also conduit energy has been tilting

[iron orchid]

given I already have three of them at 60+

[iron orchid]

true

[fallen arch]

And at life hasn’t been great

Atlt*

Wow

Need a new phone

ALT

[iron orchid]

I really want to see what they do to make legion timewalking M+ work

[fallen arch]

I think every fucking dungeon in the game should be available for m+

All the way down to Deadmines

[iron orchid]

I mean the loot we get, but also how they tune the dungeons for us to be able to do them even after aoe capping most specs

[gusty mirage]

Imagine they bring back overflow and teeming for it

[fallen arch]

Remove aoe cap

[iron orchid]

For me it'll be challenging anyways since I started playing only in 8.1

I don't know any of those dungeons

[sterile chasm]

frost set was nerfed?

i think i deal less dmg than ever

[zinc frost]

Boy, did I miss some juicy drama

[plain thistle]

it was not

[thorny pond]

No juicy drama

[tired vessel]

It was actually buffed

[thorny pond]

Just regular sin chat

[north basin]

guys how master poisoner talent interacts with deadly poisons conduit and dashing legendary? iam confused if its somehow interacts or ?

[dawn ivy]

they synergize together, yeah

MP is a flat 30% increase to poisons damage, lethal poisons conduit is a % increase to the initial damage of poisons, and dashing increases your poisons crit chance.

no double dipping or anything secret

[north basin]

so deadly poisons and shiv have same efffect? but different percentage of buff?

too many layers of this poison stuff. makes things kinda complicated to understand

[sonic hedge]

Shiv buffs nature damage, not just poison

Deadly poisons only affect poison

[plain thistle]

master poisoner buff your weapons poison (deadly, wound, instant)

shiv buffs envenom

which is nature

[north basin]

shiv buffs envenom + poisons?

[sonic hedge]

Yes

[plain thistle]

yes, because poison is nature

[north basin]

and deadly poisons conduit buffs initial poison aplication and ticks ? or only initial

[iron orchid]

only initial

the tooltip is pretty clear iirc

[north basin]

this is not clear why blizz did that, (

which deadly poisons got amplification?

https://gyazo.com/674d09d1822947510b2a6de18b45834a

the 10% one or 5.9%

which is tick and which is initial aplication?

[iron orchid]

the 10% one

it has the same icon as the instant poison of the other specs

[north basin]

so deadly poisons conduit amplify by 18% the 10% off my damage?

and thats all?

[iron orchid]

well it actually amounts to less than that, given you look at an already amplified damage hitting 10%

[north basin]

in this particular screen i dont have this conduit on

[iron orchid]

ok so yup, pretty much what you said

[north basin]

iam just asking if i put it on. this will buff only this part off my damage table by 18%

right?

sounds weak xD

[iron orchid]

most sin conduits are

they weren't during SL beta but got nerfed in the last two weeks before patch

[north basin]

poison bomb affffected by shiv?

[iron orchid]

poison bomb is affected by both shiv and Dashing

[burnt star]

Oh.. dont forget that chaos brand also buff nature damage

[north basin]

well this is given ye

[burnt star]

Shiv affect all poison damage dealt by u

[north basin]

and master poisoner only buffs 10% + 5.9% of my damage ffrom screen above and thats all too?

[burnt star]

That exclude trinket. Its an extenal applicarion

[iron orchid]

basically, shiv affects everything that counts as rogue nature ability damage, so no trinket, no exterior buff giving you nature hits

[north basin]

ye trinket not buffed at all i know

[iron orchid]

yup, it only buffs those

i searched a bit for myself, and couldn't find much more info, but I think it only applies to deadly poison (instant + DoT)

[north basin]

its not crystal clear from description for me. thats why wanted to clarify it

which one buffs what

[iron orchid]

so for instance, shiv covers all of your nature abilities, and dashing works on pretty much any of those too, master poisoner on both instant and dot parts of deadly poison, and lethal poison only applies to the instant part

[north basin]

ye now u got it. tnx

[iron orchid]

maybe there are people who know more about master poisoner around here, I don't know much about the talent either, I just tested it for myself

[north basin]

ye testing on dummy works best. but sometimes for me fastest way is to type few sentnces her

[limber lion]

It's bad.

Master Poisoner was good in Legion because our build was more poison focused with the overpowered poisons bomb and Kingsbane.

[zinc frost]

Master poisoner is good in pvp but that’s where it ends unfortunately

[limber lion]

But it hasn't seen much play after and is only used in pvp to amplify the poisons used there (wounding and crippling mainly)

[zinc frost]

Makes me wonder if legion timewalking will give us back artifacts and the abilities, so maybe we can use it again 😉

[limber lion]

Highly, highly doubt it.

:')

[north basin]

i just hope we wont be obligated to farm autoattack ring from court off stars

[fallen arch]

Chaos brand doesn’t boost our nature dam afaik

[strange python]

And mastery used to just buff poison damage

Could have like 180% mastery at the end of legion lol

[cobalt pelican]

nature damage is just regular magic damage, so chaos brand works on it just fine

pretty much everything is buffed by dh debuff which is why probably the most required of any buff

[fallen arch]

I still bot have a definitive answer on if that is the case? Are you sure?

I remember someone else saying it wasn’t the case

[peak bobcat]

If all I have is max unholy set is doom blade my best option besides Dash/frost?

I know a lot of the higher gear sims use Obedience just curious which I should prioritize

[cobalt pelican]

yes i am sure

if you want to check externally just run a quick sim with and without it enabled and observe the differences

[fallen arch]

Good idea

[cobalt pelican]

as a general rule though pretty much everything that's not physical is included, fusion amp damage phial damage poisons etc

outliers are rare but do happen, like winds of winter isn't affected i don't think (would have to actually check/test that though)

but as a baseline just assume it werk

[cursive silo]

Winds of winter is blacklisted from everything because of double dipping

As it stacks from damage you deal

[pale plank]

For zoldyck do u guys go Crit/mast or crit/haste?

[tacit wedge]

Crit/mast

Does Vendetta also works with system of blacklist/whitelist?

[gusty mirage]

yea

vendetta only affects our class abilities

[tacit wedge]

Thanks

[north basin]

hmm 2 246 sylva daggers worse than 2 252 dominas dagers.,. by 50 dps in frost gear (

[plain thistle]

yes, try 246 sylv dagger off hand

main hand 252 is probably better

[misty edge]

I hate how bad I always parse lol I feel like I’m playing well too but I just get blasted by the other rogue in our group every time

[limber lion]

Link your logs and we'll take a look

[gray hazel]

you can get sylv dagger from the vault right?

[potent dagger]

As long as you killed sylvanas at least once yes

[plain thistle]

even cheating with 2 PIs I cant get close to our lord and savior

it was rank2 when I got it, then I checked who was r1

[fallen arch]

Ye idk either what kinda steroids he uses

[plain thistle]

he even wasted a combo point, what a noob

[fallen arch]

At Guardian you also have to be a little bit lucky with bombs I feel

I got like 4 of em last night which was really tilting

Of which 2 during shiv+vendetta

U cant make that shit up

[tribal marlin]

i mean you have to be lucky that's all xD

[fallen arch]

Nah that’s not what I’m saying, getting every round of mechanics just doesn’t help

[brazen zodiac]

I like ur pfp mikihisa

I miss sepsis

[tribal marlin]

I mean, there is RNG is crits, mechanics, procs, etc... WoW is an RPG with a lot of RNG in its game mechanics. You gotta deal with it

The dude is doing a lot of heroic clear (boosting probably) there are kill where he will do 10k some where he will do 11.5k

I'm sure he's not playing differently every time

he do the same exact things

[fallen arch]

Yes ofc,

[brazen zodiac]

Doing mechs right and one shotting > getting good number on website :D

[fallen arch]

But he def tweaks here and there when it comes to timing

[brazen zodiac]

Can we cloak off the fragments?

[tribal marlin]

agree but that's not the debate here

[brazen zodiac]

What is it then

Seems like that's what it'd always boil down to

[tribal marlin]

well @fallen arch noticed he had bad RNG regarding encounter mechanics during a very good pull of him.
And I just remind that Parsing and Ranking on WLC is kinda biased anyway because there are too much factors independant from your own personnal skills such as gear and rng

[brazen zodiac]

Oh absolutely haha

I can understand getting a lil tilting from getting frags like 4 times in a row but idk I kinda like getting/doing mechanics

Getting multiple bombs like that tho does kinda blow tho lmfao

Can always just shadowstep right after tho and if you're a goblin that's even better c:

[tribal marlin]

Idk, either you kill the boss multiple time in a row until you get the perfect pull and then you can complain that you played bad when all stars where align.
Either you don't do that, but then you can't really complain you get bad rng 😄

[brazen zodiac]

Haha

I feel like getting runes every time is the absolute worst

Again can we cloak off the fragments on the nine or am I just coping

[tribal marlin]

it will jump on someone else I think

[brazen zodiac]

That's what I thought honestly

[tribal marlin]

then that someoneelse will have to do the mechanic xD

[brazen zodiac]

But another outlaw rogue said that's what he did so I was curi-

oh my God lmfao

ahh it all makes sense now

[tribal marlin]

yeah then someone else do the mechanics insteed of him xD

[brazen zodiac]

that lil bitch gonna get a mouthful when he wakes up on god

[fallen arch]

Save cloak for other mechanics

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i can't imagine wasting it esp on mythic

[fallen arch]

Using it for fragments is trolling

[brazen zodiac]

sometimes them circle soaks can be sooo bad lmfal

[tribal marlin]

not like the encounter is difficult anyway

[brazen zodiac]

it is if ur drunk

fk that fight

[tribal marlin]

but like yeah I'd say "if you don't want to deal with mechanics and only want to hit a dummy, go to stormwind's dummy"

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[magic gale]

naked brawl in the guild, which spec do you guys reckon is the better one, sub or assa :D?

[vestal wren]

you ask in #assassination so you already picked your choice 😛

[limber lion]

[plain thistle]

[potent dagger]

I was wondering if there is a huge difference in MM+ overall between obe and zoldyck

[loud trench]

Fuck other people, parces>people

[oak sky]

What else are you using it on tbh

Ig if you want to sac meteor

[fallen arch]

Sure dude

[brazen zodiac]

Can we cloak off the meteor?

[mystic fractal]

this is a zero brain cell question but -- how do you shadowcore oil offhand?

[kind talon]

You click it

Lmao

It will oil up your mainhand and then your offhand

On god

[oak sky]

Frfr

[green ledge]

Click shadowcore. If the bug happens where i does i on mainhand even tho its sharpened or whatever i put mainhand in bags and click shadow ore

[kind talon]

No cap on a stack

[oak sky]

I just want to say that ive cloaked off frqgments multiple times

Usually while on the marker

Usually

I like telling myself it helps healers because they have to do fewer dispells

[wintry mica]

i do it occasionally when the dispell doesnt come fast enough

[oak sky]

Yeah basically

[wintry mica]

I assume someone fucked up an earlier dispell and its on CD so i just cloak

worst case you get one of the bad overlap meteors and you can just sac yourself instead of soaking if the group needs it

[real pewter]

Does assassination just not scale well? Is that why we're so low on the charts now?

[limber lion]

Scaling

[spice spire]

Wdym you scaled from wr750-wr5. We scale

[oak sky]

Low on charts?

[stray mural]

No idea what you mean. Assa is in the best spot it’s been since launch.

[oak sky]

9.0.5 was pretty sick

[stray mural]

I skipped 9.0.5

[oak sky]

Oh

[kind talon]

9.05 was best spot

[oak sky]

Well thats when we had the best st besides sp

[kind talon]

Sin was just the best dps

Insane

[stray mural]

I blame burnout for missing out on the glory

[heavy coral]

[stray mural]

Frosty

[potent rune]

@stray mural Your blame is in the wrong place. Blame Blizz not burnout

[oak sky]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/28#boss=2435&metric=bossdps

good class^^^^

[wintry mica]

brb rerolling feral

[oak sky]

[winged basin]

Point and laugh

[arctic hare]

That person seems kinda stupid

[obtuse robin]

how do i grab a simc from gear compare

[wintry mica]

like to grab the simc for a specific item?

you should be able to run it and then open the raw input at the bottom I think

[fallen arch]

Warriorman sounds like a smart man

You still havent left that guild then?

[pure moth]

When are you leaving that guild? Lol

[hollow talon]

ferals are nuts bro

they pump super hard

no one plays them cause everyone loves boomkins

but they are pumpin this tier

[arctic hare]

Yeah...

I used to main feral, but I still will never play em again

[loud mason]

hey folks, short question
do we still use envenom/rupture at 4 combo points?

[fierce hill]

No one plays then because they are meele druid has a broken range specc every tier and feral can not bring anything of value besides DMG so they have to compete against all the other meeles

[arctic hare]

indeed

[hollow talon]

so like a rogue with no shroud and more damage

[oak sky]

Not only are they melee, but boomie brings roar for them and innervate

[oak sky]

Yes

[hollow river]

@oak sky I believe i passed

[oak sky]

Lets go dude

[hollow river]

just need to finish farming Phial/get a 252 wep and i think we're chillin.

[violet jackal]

how much DPS am I losing by incorporating throw knife to always hit 5 point ruptures when needed

[hollow river]

No idea, but that's not really ever the play. Only throw knife when you can't hit the boss so you don't overcap on energy.

[violet jackal]

idk my parses are pretty solid currently averaging about 13 throw knives in melee range of boss

[plain thistle]

[real bay]

dont do it

[slim jay]

[balmy condor]

that's something so weird, I have no idea how much of a loss it is

but it's 100% not worth

not even close

[violet jackal]

hmmmmm

i need someone with a calculator on this one

[subtle tundra]

throw knife is extraordinarely bad

[balmy condor]

I can sim it later

but like

why

would you do that

[slim jay]

Dont need a calculator

[violet jackal]

5 point rupture with 99% sounds better than sometimes a 4 point sometimes a 5 point

[balmy condor]

what

[slim jay]

[violet jackal]

you asked why that is my reasoning

[loud light]

you know throw knife has a cost to press, right

[balmy condor]

the difference between 4 and 5 cp rupture

is linear

the tick damage

does not change

you're literally only getting extra time on your rupture

and you're wasting energy in the process

[slim jay]

[violet jackal]

wait they have to change a 4 point rupture is 5770 over 20 sec while a 5 point is 6924 over 24

[balmy condor]

yo

crazy

what

[loud light]

so you DO have a calculator after all

[violet jackal]

hmmmmmmmmmmm i did not know that

[balmy condor]

that's why every guide written in the last 6 years has suggested finishing on 4 cp

[slim jay]

[loud light]

the only reason you prefer higher-cp finishers over doing like 1 cp is energy efficiency since it costs the same and you'd need to refresh more frequently

but the diff between casting 4 and 5 is like 2 energy lost

and poisoned knife costs 40

[balmy condor]

also does absolute shit damage

[soft shale]

tbh old rupture worked like that

one of the best changes for assa tbh when they did away on that

[frigid sleet]

maybe with a poison knife new leggo this could be fun

[soft shale]

nononon

[loud light]

bring back that stacking buff azerite thing

[soft shale]

sharpened blades was not a funny gameplay

[loud light]

yeah that

lol

[violet jackal]

Whispyr has enlightned me I will be top 100 next week now

[balmy condor]

in general I wouldnt advise going again guides and sims

and feelcrafting things yourself

cause 99% of the time, it's wrong

[oak sky]

Poisoned knife

[potent dagger]

i've some strange DS sims Oo

telling me to go Nightstalker and Deeper Stat Oo For both Obedience and Zoldyck Oo

[fleet anchor]

Yes, basically finisher CP usage is just energy efficiency. So if one would do something energy inefficient to increase energy efficiency, that's somewhat counter-productive. That's why it's not usually worth it to force something like this.

[timber acorn]

is the frost domination set bonus or the unholy set bonus better for assassination? I keep seeing stuff about both being good but am unclear which one is more effective.

[hollow river]

at higher gear levels frost is better. you'd have to use raidbots and sim yourself to know what's best for you, but generally sin goes frost.

[timber acorn]

okay. thank you

[balmy condor]

yeah that can happen

[placid pagoda]

Anyone know how to get the little arrows on your target for PlateR/

Plater? i'm using Ceverons rn

@limber lion any advice to this?

[oak sky]

maybe

target settings

target bracket?

[placid pagoda]

lemme look

[oak sky]

idk tho im not a plater expert

might be an added function

[placid pagoda]

They dont stand out that much, i used another plater where youo had big arrows eitehr side

[hollow river]

Target Bracket Indicator: NONE

that was prolly KUI nameplates

[potent dagger]

So, what should i do ? Oo

[oak sky]

maybe you can download it or something liket that

[balmy condor]

whatever you want to

[potent dagger]

Lol

I mean can i truly trust those sims ?

[placid pagoda]

@balmy condor any plater advice?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

I hate the arrows so idk where to get them

[placid pagoda]

oo okay

[potent dagger]

OK thanks

Tought subt was better

[balmy condor]

it usually is for iron wire

but that whole row is pretty much a toss up damage wise

[potent dagger]

Oh OK thanks

[limber lion]

10.3k in HC Sylv p3

Can't wait for wednesday when I finally get my mythic dagger from the vault.

[drifting cloud]

you r5 frost this week cev?

[placid pagoda]

disgusting

[limber lion]

Yup!

[placid pagoda]

@limber lion any idea about getting arrows on ur plater profile?

[limber lion]

Well, currently in plater there are only options to add highlights/change the nameplate texture when targetting them (afaik)

but you can use a mod to add arrow options

https://wago.io/KmqtKfWVN

like this one

[placid pagoda]

thanks

[halcyon zealot]

excuse me ..?

wtf

[oak sky]

cevvy going hard

[limber lion]

Didn't get any externals

I kinda wanna get a PI bot for some raid

would be pretty dank

[oak sky]

wheres the fun in that

[limber lion]

idk

big number good

bigger number, better person

[oak sky]

could be

ill kill mythic sylvanas eventually

🙂

[toxic quail]

Cev a beast dude. I thought my 8.3K in P3 was nasty.

Nopeeee.

[kind talon]

cev is unreal

[slim pebble]

If I want to push into higher keys (20+) is it best that I craft Zoldycks? Or can I get by with doomblade?

[kind talon]

zoldyck

if you are playing sin in higher keys

[idle star]

Those who have mythic sylv on farm.. arent you bored out of your brains with this game?

[upbeat needle]

where do I buy sin coaching from

trying to get those 100s like Cev

stuck in 90+ range 😢

[limber lion]

I've done some coaching before.

[upbeat needle]

Cev

The man the myth the legend

take me under your wing

[limber lion]

It really depends.

There's times when you're bored, but then there's things that excite you about the game.

Raiding is still fun.

[upbeat needle]

I think a big thing is

raiding with people you enjoy

because a dogshit toxic guild will really make you not want to log in

so even farm becomes fun

when u play with chill ppl

but BACK TO THIS COACHING CEV

Where do I sign up and what's the fee

[limber lion]

Well it really depends on what you're looking for right

But you can hit me up in the dms if you're serious about it.

[oak sky]

cev gonna teach him to dance

[brazen zodiac]

teach me to dance king >.<

[alpine latch]

Okay boys. Gearing my second rogue now

The Phial grind commences. lol

[burnt star]

Personnaly i just like to raid. I would stay stay in raid 100% of the time if i could

But sadly this game doesnt allow us to go mythic raid without beiing lock

[alpine latch]

@limber lion Crit/Mastery for Zoldyck since it's only used for m+ now? Or am I getting pulled into the Mastery trap?

[limber lion]

Yeah that's fine.

[alpine latch]

I'm gearing my Alliance rogue now just to play with some friends

So I won't be raiding

[sonic spire]

If im looking at my logs and I want to check if im using bone spike only during gemstone windows, whats the easiest way to do that? I'd love if there was a way to mkae the chart show gemstone buff time in the same way it does bloodlust (like colored out when its up) and then look at casts but im not sure if thats possible?

[balmy condor]

go to damage done, then select the gemstone icon

it'll filter

[sonic spire]

thanks ❤️

[alpine latch]

Damn. For some reason I was thinking you could put Zoldyck on a cloak

[obtuse robin]

[balmy condor]

why do I have a ping

[obtuse robin]

he got scared and deleted it

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

I see

[oak sky]

never back down

stick to your pings

[obtuse robin]

the question was

parsing is more then pressing buttons and rotation ?

something like that

[balmy condor]

what

[sonic spire]

He basically was clarifying that parsing is dependent not only on how well you play but also on things you cant really control ex) kill time, raid buffs, etc

[slow marsh]

This whole game is just pressing buttons

[limber lion]

who was it

[kind talon]

@limber lion it wasn’t me

[oak sky]

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

ppPoof

[kind quiver]

Does haste affect our poisons and bleeds?

[wintry mica]

our enh shammy just changed jobs and cant make our raid times anymore

[limber lion]

Yes it does.

[oak sky]

yeah

[kind quiver]

Thanks all, I thought so, just didn't know for sure.

[obtuse robin]

any1 else spamming feedback to make ct baseline and make exsaguinate great again like me ?

for 9.1.5

[dense hamlet]

i mean there were some stuff with talents and stuff buffs or nerfs so might become true

?

[obtuse robin]

if there was ever a time to convince blizz to give smoke bomb back its now

[balmy condor]

I mean

it would've been last tier

this tier we actually do damage

[obtuse robin]

true

tbh ill settle for just making dead talents viable

every couple weeks i have to hover over venom rush to remind myself what it does

[oak sky]

Theyre gonna take a look at talents

And decide that ele shaman needs some improvements

When it uses a bunch of different ones

Then neglect us

[obtuse robin]

so many things left on wishlist - ct baseline dead talents remove aoe cap

raid cd

[oak sky]

Aoe cap probably is 10.0

I think thats a good take

Too much rebalancing

I wouldnt even blame them for waiting on the aoe cap

[obtuse robin]

i think so to but then that makes legion m + akward doesnt it

[oak sky]

Idk

Ive heard that

Maybe they had the development time to decide to uncap some abilities

Which isnt even a bad direction

Some abilities actually do make sense capped, builders could make sense capped

[obtuse robin]

does blade fury capped make sense

ct seems like broken uncapped

[full tendon]

Doesn't shiv's current state kinda feel like exsanguinate did?

[obtuse robin]

uh

no?

idk

shiv feels way better then exsan that i remember

[plain thistle]

like toxic blade, not exsanguinate

[full tendon]

I don't mean they do the same thing. Just meant it feels similar. Single target, medium-short cd, slight burst window. Tbh I think it'd feel weird to add exsang atm

[obtuse robin]

well thats the thing they would have to make it useful and make sense

theres stuff that just needs redesign

[oak sky]

They have to lower damage on somethings to make them uncapped

[dawn ivy]

for assassination? i doubt theyd have to lower any of our aoe damage if they uncapped it.

[obtuse robin]

ct and fok with deadly would be busted

[dawn ivy]

im an idiot, but i seriously think it wouldnt increase our damage by an absurd amount

it would certainly be alot better, but it wouldnt go out of control

[balmy condor]

shivs current state feels like toxic blade though

[drifting cloud]

[slow marsh]

Weird

[fathom flax]

Strange, never thought of that

9.1.5 talent buffs, what’s the Wishlist @balmy condor

[oak sky]

send him the doc

[balmy condor]

I personally would like to see MA go to 100% like it always should've been, wouldn't actually change the power level of the talent much considering we're at 40% atm

I also kind of want to see a blindside/ambush buff

not using ambush at all

is kinda weird

poison bomb buffs are needed as well imo

[cursive spade]

hey, does the necro legendary is worth doing?

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest being so close in single target

is real weird

[balmy condor]

it's usable, but zoldyck is just better

[cursive spade]

i was wishing to do multispec

so it would be cheaper for me

[obtuse robin]

give pb like a 30 sec plus cd and we can drop it where we want

[oak sky]

please

yes

[cursive spade]

im between this and MA

[balmy condor]

are you raiding at all

[oak sky]

or make pb a finisher on cd like secret techniques or someth

[cursive spade]

hc only, im focused on M+

[balmy condor]

deathspike probably fine

your single target will be dogshit

but such is life I guess

[cursive spade]

and what about MA, its better?

[balmy condor]

it's a pretty mediocre legendary for every spec, in every content

[cursive spade]

so i'll go with deathspike, thank u

[bleak sky]

good god it's so hard to pug keys with alt characters

[indigo valley]

How much do log reviews cost nowadays

[balmy condor]

cost?

people pay for log reviews?

[bleak sky]

people pay for coaching, log reviews, yadda yadda yadda

[balmy condor]

I mean I've had people pay for coaching

but log reviews

[bleak sky]

sometimes their class discord is a shitshow

[lavish lichen]

I mean that’s arguably the biggest part of coaching someone tho

Reviewing their logs and telling them what to fix lol

[hollow river]

well with coaching ideally you'd watch them stream or a recording and point out flaws i assume

[oak sky]

i was gonna say log reviews take like a second and can only give pretty superficial tips

usually

[lavish lichen]

I mean you can probably get more info from a log than you can a vod

[oak sky]

a vod shows how they play

[lavish lichen]

So does a log

But yea sure it gives some different info

[hollow river]

depends also if its raid/dungeon coaching

[fathom flax]

If only this class discord was shit like some of the others we could be making gold

[hollow river]

lmao do what?

others charge for log reviews?

[lavish lichen]

Think he means charge people

[fathom flax]

/s

[hollow river]

all this pugging keys is literally going to rot my brain

slowly becoming fried

[oak sky]

i need to do that

[fathom flax]

I pugged a 16 mists last night and ended up at like 50% overall

[oak sky]

wdym 50%

like

half your groups total damage?

[fathom flax]

Yeah

[oak sky]

damn they must have been griefing

[fathom flax]

Which was fine I really didn’t mind they were a guild and it was the highest they’d done I just wanted my weekly done

[oak sky]

yeah solid

[fathom flax]

Nice people yknow

[oak sky]

for sure

[indigo valley]

Mostly a joke, just beating myself up in between prog wipes because the other rogue is beating me sometimes

I just want to be the very best I can be

[fathom flax]

Like no one ever was

[indigo valley]

exactly you get it

but seriously can anyone look over my nine/nerzhul logs and see if I'm messing anything up?
Or alternatively point me to some sources on how to better understand logs so I dont have to ask for help so often?

[bleak sky]

You can check the archived threads in here

they're all log reviews with some pretty good advice

[indigo valley]

Where would I find those?

nvm i found them

look at me now dad

[fathom flax]

If you’ve only got 1 nerzhul kill I wouldn’t worry about it too much as prog kills are always low parsing

[indigo valley]

i am trialing tonight so it was my first kill ever

[oak sky]

most of it is probably not being used to the mechs and stuff then you would think

[indigo valley]

i think the big thing is going from orange/pink parses in heroic to blue/purple in mythic is a little demoralizing/sobering mainly

[oak sky]

better players in mythic as well

[indigo valley]

big sad 😦

[fathom flax]

Only one person got a purple log on the kill so it’s definitely a group thing and not just you

[oak sky]

im sure you're doing fine

[bleak sky]

first kill -> doesn't matter, get garbage logs but kill the damn boss

work on logs after you know where you can optimize stuff

[fathom flax]

Second kill -> 95+ parse or die

[brazen zodiac]

hey guys, may someone explain what this means? curious

[oak sky]

isnt that an intellect trinket

[arctic walrus]

correct

[fathom flax]

That’s an int trinket you can alter the proc on

It’s got nothing to do with rogues de

Dw

[brazen zodiac]

okie dokie thank you!

[iron geode]

hello rookie question does lets say fan of knives proc the phial trinket 😅

[oak sky]

yeah

[marsh yew]

do you keep crimson tempest up in single target in mythic+?

[prisma cypress]

you don't necessarily keep it up but you do use it

it's better than envenom outside of shiv windows, assuming you'll get the full benefit of the bleed

[brazen zodiac]

what ilvl would the dagger from sylv be in lfr? 220?

[oak sky]

yeah

[bleak sky]

if you don't use it it's like not taking a talent in that row

[fathom flax]

Just don’t use it and pretend you didn’t get any PB procs

Same same

[sick cairn]

I simmed IQD versus shadowgrasp, a 242 IQD beat shadowgrasp should i trust my sims?

in ST

shadowgrasp was 246

[wintry mica]

You keep CT up single target outside of shiv window. Unless you are running dashing in which case you can drop CT all together on 1 target

[frozen zenith]

it’s an int trinket which has 4 possible procs - haste/crit/mastery/all3 but rare chance 1 per day. U can change the proc by eating related stat food. 3 stat has a very rare chance of procing first time each day

[brazen zodiac]

i just did lfr sylv

im fuckign rying oh my god that was hilarious

thx fray

[pale plank]

Wait lfr sylv is out?

[balmy condor]

yes

[pale plank]

man i am llate

[brazen zodiac]

dude i told them to jump off the platform if they were targeted with arrows and they fuckin jumped to their deaths i fucking died lmfao.

they stood on the platform when raze went off too oh ma lawd

the best was when i told people targeted with the arrow to follow the guy with the target marker on their head and when he went over the people with arrows and everyone else went over lmfaooo what a shit show

people dont even touch the adventure guide on god

[cursive silo]

no 99% of wow players expect to get carried

[hollow river]

you are a sadist o.o

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

I thought they'd know how the platforms work looo

[hollow river]

in lfr

I actually can’t believe how many people get away with building pug groups to carry them to aotc

[zinc frost]

Fake it till ya make it

[fallen arch]

Ye amazes me too

But it’s lfr

Pls

[hollow river]

?

[royal lantern]

90%of raiders have no clue what they need to do by default

like

ask your raidteam why its important to not have the puddle dot on your during the sylvanas raid aoe in p3

i can gurantee that probably only 2-3 know the reason

[hollow river]

you mean lfr or pugs

guess that could easily be both. lol

[royal lantern]

in general

even on mythic guild raids lol

[hollow river]

o.O

[royal lantern]

majority of people dont know mechanics and just do what the RL says

[hollow river]

that's

insane logic

[fallen arch]

Oh sorry that wat meant for @brazen zodiac ranting about lfr

I mean come on, we know that it’s bad. Don’t have to vent in this group about it

[hollow river]

ohh lol

[fallen arch]

Which is fine because it means they can listen and follow orders

I don’t think that’s the case in mythic guilds tho, it is probably in many aotc teams

[cursive silo]

it is

[zinc frost]

Definitely still heaps of people on autopilot in mythic guilds.

[sonic schooner]

i can tell u regarding my guild, we have basically 3 or 4 tourists who absolutely dont understand a fight even after 70 wipes and 2 downs. Mythic guild yep

just need a golden pull without them to have to deal with a mecanic

[bleak sky]

well yeah, there's still a range on mythic guilds lol

[ruby oyster]

starting m soulrender tonight, does dashing and CT makes any sense? or should i pick something else? i have doomblade 262 and obedience 235

[sturdy mesa]

Doomblade should be gucci tbh

[bronze fiber]

Tbh your main job is single target on that fight CT always makes sense for the fight cause he gets moved so much im sure if you looked at your logs Pb did no damage. So I'd go with your dashing

[cursive silo]

if you go dashing there's no point going CT for the ST

[ruby oyster]

so either doomblade+ct or dashing and pb?

i guess i have to see how fast we can deal with adds if my help is needed at all

[cursive silo]

yea sure you go CT if you're on the adds

or if they live a while

I kinda assume guilds blast the adds like mine but maybe they won't

[ruby oyster]

i think we shouldnt have problems with adds as long we can stack them nicely. no bdk tho (or low ilvl alt) so im just trying to be ready for both scenarios

[cursive silo]

i think just go CT and you'll see

[ruby oyster]

ok, thanks

[digital zodiac]

SGT or 252 OH from vault...
252 Ocular gland sims best, thing i should just take OH and wait until I get Ocular from mythic?

(already using 252 phial) with 239 ocular / fusion amplifier

[hollow river]

SGT pretty stronk

Ocular easy to get if you’re already farming the Eye

Idk what all could replace SGT if it’s 252, maybe only mythic fusion amp?

[fallen arch]

Ye

Or Phial if you don’t have one

[hollow river]

He’s got 252 phial

[fallen arch]

Oh ye I see

[hollow river]

But wouldn’t a heroic sylvanas dagger replace a 252 OH

Even if only by a little bit

[fallen arch]

I think the only thing that beats SGT is a 252 fusion amp

[fallen arch]

Not for sin

[hollow river]

Yeah same for on use

[fallen arch]

For sub yes

[hollow river]

Wtf really

[fallen arch]

For sin it’s close

[hollow river]

I’ve seen sims but H EoN was only like +50

Guess it’s different for everyone

[digital zodiac]

i had a sim but for some reason its not available any more

[fallen arch]

Just checked, I have a 246 thorn in offhand and hc EoN is only a 19 dps upgrade for me

Kinda w/e

[gusty mirage]

Why is my 233 oh out simming my 246 daggers then?

I should probably resim and see if that’s still the case

[lavish lichen]

Check for proper enchants

[gusty mirage]

Enchants are le proper I assure you

But my 233 out simmed my 246 crit/mastery and my 246 haste/vers daggers by like 18 dps

[fallen arch]

Oh wait I didn’t sim with enchant on OH

Brb

[fallen arch]

Idk, stats, covenant, magic?

[gusty mirage]

I’m going to go with magic

It makes the most sense

[umbral sandal]

Yo! So when I do my opener I do mutilate > SnD >mutilate > Garrote > Rupture> Flagellation > Vendetta > Shiv > Vanish > mutilate > Envenom and so on.

Is this right?

Could I change something?

[fallen arch]

Flag before rupt

[umbral sandal]

So I should be doing Mutilate > SnD > mutilate > Garrote > Flag> Rupture> Vendetta > Shiv > vanish > mutilate > envenom

[fallen arch]

Ye looks good

Maybe vendetta after shiv

And then vanish

[umbral sandal]

Ye I can try that too

ty

Ok just tried it and it feels way better tbh

[fallen arch]

Good!

[hollow river]

I mean, that’s what was predicted to happen all along wasn’t it?

[gusty mirage]

I think so but ngl it feels bad having a 233 OH

[hollow river]

Or was something changed in raidbots since back then

Do more damage tho

[gusty mirage]

But sylvie no wanna give me dagger

[hollow river]

You’ll get it

[gusty mirage]

I’ve gotten literally every other piece of loot on her table except the dagger

[hollow river]

I’ve gotten it all

[gusty mirage]

Belt? Check. Ring? Check. Chest? Check

[hollow river]

Except.. belt?

[gusty mirage]

Like ma’am. Stop it

[hollow river]

I got chest and ring same night

[gusty mirage]

We both know why we’re here

[hollow river]

Hahah

[gusty mirage]

Just gimme that sweet sweet edge of night so I can stop running heroic already

[hollow river]

I’m telling you man

Ready to be done with hc

Still no hc amp

[gusty mirage]

My guild does sales every Monday

[hollow river]

We’re supposed to start

[gusty mirage]

My guild hasn’t seen one amp

[hollow river]

Soon

[gusty mirage]

They’ve cleared heroic since week 2

0 amps in the guild

[hollow river]

I think we have to do some normals first

[gusty mirage]

If they got it it was from the vault

[hollow river]

We gotta boost some normals for logs with carries with no wipes

[gusty mirage]

Also if the eye could stop giving us 3 trinkets every time we kill it

That’d be swell

[hollow river]

And then we’re clear for hc boosting

[gusty mirage]

Vers mastery hc painsmith gloves

[hollow river]

Lmfao same

[hollow river]

I got my first real mythic piece

Tara shoulders

[gusty mirage]

15 kills 0 loot

[hollow river]

From?

[gusty mirage]

First 5

[hollow river]

O.o

Wow

[gusty mirage]

Only piece of gear I got from mythic were boe pants

That I had to pay the guild for ???

[hollow river]

15 kills each boss?

[gusty mirage]

3 each boss

[hollow river]

??????????????

Pay the guild for?

[gusty mirage]

Lmao they made me pay for them bro

I was like bruh

[hollow river]

No way

[digital zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/71Lsi16n7UABzmives38Aq

[hollow river]

Is that the rule in your guild?

[digital zodiac]

this was the sim

[gusty mirage]

It’s whatever I have the gold

I had 246s

So it wasn’t an absolute upgrade

[hollow river]

Last guild I trialed with was like that

They take boe’s and give us back 50%

[digital zodiac]

depends.. if they use BOEs to buy consumes for the guild for.. i think its fine

[gusty mirage]

It’s whatever it was a small amount

[hollow river]

Just weird to me idk

[gusty mirage]

Much less than the 250k they were selling for on the AH

[hollow river]

Maybe not to some

True

[digital zodiac]

all gold to 1 person, or to the guild that can provide the raid with consumes for free

[gusty mirage]

Yea they provide 2 cauldrons, vantus and augment runes, and feasts and pots

[hollow river]

True true

[gusty mirage]

So it probably saved me gold in the long run

[digital zodiac]

ye

[hollow river]

I started professions this weekend

Making gold off alchemy kinda pog

[gusty mirage]

I’ve been lw/engineering since wrath

So I’ve made exactly zero gold off professions on my rogue

[hollow river]

Do you have bfa engin leveled?

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

Engi is maxed out for every expac

[hollow river]

Dang you’re on another server tho

[gusty mirage]

Whatchu lookin for

[hollow river]

I wanna buy some goggles

[gusty mirage]

The bfa ones were bind of pickup I’m pretty sure

[celest ruin]

does CT apply poisons?

[hollow river]

Don’t think so just mutilate, shiv and fan of knives

And poison knife

Iirc

[hollow river]

Hmm you may be right. I might have to level it myself eh

I think some dropped from mechagon hard mode too

[gusty mirage]

Ye with the stupid on use

That let you look off to narnia

[hollow river]

No idea what you mean

I didn’t play back then

[gusty mirage]

It works like the shaman classic ability

Far sight or whatever

[hollow river]

Ahh

[fervent rune]

does cloak stop remnent malevolance

[hollow river]

The puddles?

[fervent rune]

the kick

[hollow river]

The knock back?

[fervent rune]

yeah

[hollow river]

Only if you time it perfectly

You only have like a half second of full magic immunity

Safer to shadow step

[fervent rune]

gotcha

[strange python]

what do people tend to be simming for at 248-250 ilvl currently?

my assa sims for just above 10k but my outlaw is simming for like 11k so I'm not sure it's ever worth me playing it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Yykir8RbeM5grwAjScYS9

[hollow river]

At 242 with dashing I sim at 10k

And my outlaw sims around 9.6-9.8k

248-250 should be closer to if not passed 11k if I’m not mistaken

Kyrian?

[strange python]

yeah kyrian

[hollow river]

That might have a little something to do with it, shouldn’t be 1k difference though

[strange python]

shouldn't be 1k behind ye

[hollow river]

I know nothing about kyrian soulbinds

[strange python]

I mean my rings and neck aren't good for assa but

they aren't the worst

[hollow river]

You’re still geared as hell tho

[strange python]

crit stacked with vers

[hollow river]

Hmm

Frost r5?

[strange python]

r4

[hollow river]

Can’t see from phone

[strange python]

r5 next week :p

[hollow river]

Well that’s 200-300 dps

But prolly just as much for outlaw

[strange python]

it's also 200-300 dps on outlaw too which just moves the gap up haha

yeah

[hollow river]

Yeah lol

Umm

Maybe dashing kyrian isn’t the play?

[strange python]

I'm just going with kleia because that's what in assa-faq

looks ok

[hollow river]

Did you sim other 262s?

True

Bs/ds

Is 100+ dps with dashing usually

For me at least

[strange python]

I'll give that a try

[cobalt pelican]

sim seems about right for your gear and covenant

[hollow river]

I’ve been trying to get outlaw to sim higher

I even have better weapons for outlaw

[inland garnet]

Is it worth to Swap back to Necrolord for me? I swapped to Venthyr because i wanted to give Sub a try for a Patch but its unbelievably boring for me personally and i mainly do Mythic+

[strange python]

I wonder how much loss it is in-game compared to outlaw, cuz I feel like outlaw tends to slightly oversim but idk

[hollow river]

Sure that’s 100% up to you

[strange python]

assa rogues can sim a fair bit lower and still be equal in damage, and I parse high as outlaw so

[strange python]

this was +70 dps, ty

[nova flax]

sub is def sleeper for keys compared to outlaw and sin and i would 100% play necro assa if i could

or necro outlaw even

[cobalt pelican]

simming deeper blindside is kinda pointless tbh since it's not really played anywhere

i think you'd prolly do equally well as sin, but there's some really basic stuff you can move around for gains if you have valor

like pf ring just valored no socket is probably like 70 dps or something lol

[hollow river]

Is that the highest simming soul bind for assa kyrian?

[strange python]

ye it seems it

because of the crit it gives for frost

[hollow river]

Big thing that was holding my outlaw sims back was soulbinds Draven instead of Theo/Nadjia

[strange python]

I'll probably valor my ring next week unless I can get the nine/painsmith ring on mythic

I have enough to socket it too when I get any of them

[cobalt pelican]

pf ring is definitely better than the nine ring

[hollow river]

Yeah

[cobalt pelican]

and if you get the painsmith one you'd want both anyway

but ye

stuff like that comes from playing the spec for a while

[hollow river]

Cev was saying 259 sylv ring and arachnid ring are bis

[cobalt pelican]

small decisions add up to sizable dps over time, like making outlaw decisions on things

[strange python]

what neck would you say is bis?

[hollow river]

Halls is decent iirc

[strange python]

I assume KT mythic is bis right?

[hollow river]

Kt yea

Think so

Could be wrong

[cobalt pelican]

kt m yeah

remnant m is probably slightly better than the spires one you have

[drowsy parcel]

the sims in the bis profile shit is using the remnant neck

but its probably a toss up between kt and remnant

[cobalt pelican]

the default profile uses the kt m one

[hollow river]

Remnant neck is the crit vers ye?

[cobalt pelican]

yes

[hollow river]

Idk what the sims use

[cobalt pelican]

the default profile uses kt, but it doesn't really matter

[hollow river]

Ik depending on your set up, either could be better

[cobalt pelican]

very little thought goes into the profiles

they're not intended to be bis lists

[hollow river]

Right

[cobalt pelican]

just templates to sim from

[hollow river]

Ye

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hbxt6FZEc9Yru5VD1B75b1

[strange python]

remnant neck is just heavily crit stacked

[cobalt pelican]

but i doubt in your current gear it looks like this

when you hit r5 frost things start tipping weirdly

[hollow river]

Yeah I’ve got lower haste with my sin set up and 43-45% crit

Pretty wild

[strange python]

I've got a while to gear my assa I guess, I just want it ready to play for sylvanas

it's probably a lot better than outlaw there right?

[hollow river]

Just from what I’ve seen, yeah. Not experienced enough to say 100%

[strange python]

there's a fair bit of downtime that makes outlaw just suffer a lot

[hollow river]

Yeah I was curious why it suffers so much more

I guess less CDR?

[digital zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/71Lsi16n7UABzmives38Aq
What would you take from vault lads?
SGT or 252 OH?

(252 ocular sims better than SGT so i could wait to get that)

[hollow river]

Not constantly recycling CDs like a fight like guardian

[strange python]

yeah it's just the CDR, it affects specs like outlaw way more than specs with set cooldowns

[hollow river]

I’ve heard sub is good for sylvanas too with its CDs

[strange python]

if you added periods of downtime to a sim of outlaw vs assa you'd definitely see outlaw lose

[hollow river]

Assa just the safe play though

[strange python]

I suck at sub and I enjoy assa anyway so I'm happy to play assa

[strange python]

it's simming ocular at 100% uptime so I'd probably take sgt

[digital zodiac]

how much % crit do we want for the frost build then? Ill be at maybe 42% if i dont have ocular

[hollow river]

Some things you gotta choose, my friend. 252 OH is juicy for sin. SGT is pretty juicy too if you’re not getting M fusion amp any time soon

[hollow river]

No set %

Sim yourself for best results.

[cobalt pelican]

ram ended up playing outlaw on sylv

think sin is just the go-to though

[digital zodiac]

yeee its not even much DPS between them 🤣 just the choice is killing me!

[hollow river]

How did ram do?

[hollow river]

I know the feeling

[cobalt pelican]

fine kinda

[hollow river]

I never had the chance to tune in

[cobalt pelican]

it just can't offer the same boss dam either of the other specs can

[hollow river]

Was usually at work

[cobalt pelican]

but he did 8.6k p3 which is like

very respectable

not insane, but decent

[hollow river]

True true

[pure moth]

What's sgt?

[hollow river]

Shadowgrasp totem

[pure moth]

Derp lol was driving me nuts

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/phUXNRdDH2fGArhHyS2Bpc

@cobalt pelican it’s not better your wrong

[vestal wren]

[cobalt pelican]

i never said it'd be better smh

i said it'd be better than his spires neck

but i think it is probably better for a lot of people for now

if they aren't disgutting ocular gland gamers

and with some other gear

only 6 more weeks till i get r5 frost.. any day now..

[fathom flax]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Q6R8sNzvdZ8vBRTfaj6n9

did 2 15s, got 2 bis rings in a row haha

[burnt star]

Getting r5 frost tuesday

Missing 10 ember ;)

R4 unholy. R5 frost. R1 blood. 🤷‍♂️

[late birch]

Anyone ever try squeezing in 2 flagellation in p2 mythic painsmith? Then lining it up with vendetta in p3?

[arctic walrus]

You say that like it’s my choice

[fallen arch]

Alliance gamer

[chrome trout]

Why are there so many necro assa rogues if it sims much worse than venth?

[arctic walrus]

Because not everyone strictly only cares for assa and how much it sims for. People like the flexibility of other covenants for outlaw etc

[chrome trout]

I've seen assa one tricks going necro, and they basically don't play keys other than 4-10 weeklies

and obviously I don't strictly care only for how much it sims, which is why I'm asking here in the first place

[gusty mirage]

sbs is a fun ability

and fleshcraft is super nice to have

[drowsy parcel]

ive been onetricking assa this patch and i play necro

i feel like necro is better on every fight except guardian

[random fossil]

sbs fun, flag no fun

[drowsy parcel]

250 dps difference on single target sure but only guardian is single target

and also more fun

[gusty mirage]

plus some people want a covenant signature ability that's not useless outside of korthia

[lavish lichen]

Yea sbs is much more engaging gameplay than Flag

[fallen arch]

And fleshcraft is bae too

Especially super valuable in m+

[lavish lichen]

Much more minor imo, you’re already unkillable as a rogue in m+

[quaint carbon]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[narrow ravine]

just got to 41.31% crit 20% haste and dashing and doom are within 7 dps of each other in my sims

[lavish lichen]

Sick seems like you got options

[quaint carbon]

is there a way for non outlaw rogue to dodge the exile on last boss of NW ?

[wintry terrace]

hey folks. any quick advice for soulrender mythic dps wise? worth to DoT up small adds?

[lavish lichen]

I don’t believe so, the reason it works for outlaw is because it’s a projectile and if you are flying while it “hits” you it doesn’t take you down

[spare flame]

How does everyone value Obediance vs Doomblade? They basically sim the same for me as Assa and I have both maxed.

Are there some fights where one would be better then the other?

[lavish lichen]

CDR isn’t always great in fights that have intermissions or fights with long downtime (KT) so that’s worth considering

[fallen arch]

Shadowmeld wdym

Works like a charm

[sharp zodiac]

Or vanish

[fallen arch]

Does it matter what enchant is on which weapon?

Between celestial guidance and sinful revelation?

[arctic walrus]

No

[maiden kindle]

What is better Sharpening stone+oil or just 2 oils on weapons, to get more damage from potion of phantom fire in raid?

[kind talon]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[kind talon]

@maiden kindle

[maiden kindle]

thanks

[fallow estuary]

is there a way to move slyvanas myth?

we noticed that shes at different positions in kill videos

and jumps weirdly for us to inconvinient places

[marble hemlock]

What phase?

[rotund moat]

Aprox what value secondaries should i am for as assassination?
+- 20% haste
??% crit
??% vers
??% mastery

[fallow estuary]

phase 1

[marble hemlock]

In p3 her positioning is a bit dumb, as it largely depends on whether she decides to do the mythic tank mechanic. P1 you mostly bait her position with the veil bait

[fallow estuary]

so if you veil bait the same she'll allways jumps to the same position?

aight, thanks :)

[marble hemlock]

P1 veil can only go on ranged, yeah

So if they stack in a certain position, she'll always go there

[undone eagle]

Do i have to oil both my weapons or it doesnt make any sense?

for the 10% dmg

or is it better oil my main hand and stone my offhand?

[ornate lake]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[undone eagle]

ty

[ornate lake]

Yw

[undone eagle]

but since it says in the text'' your weapon'' which means single weapon , then I guess 1 oil is enough to make this 10% dmg 25 sec active

cuz i wanna do 1 oil 1 sharp 😄 just curious if i had to oil both weapons to gain this 10% dmg 25 sec

[plain thistle]

stop thinking about secondaries that way, just sim your character

[compact atlas]

Hello. Is it okay to finish at 4 cp in flag or shiv window? I usually find myself in situation where I don't have enough energy to pump these 5 cp finishers in these windows

[plain thistle]

you always finish at 4

4 or 5 if using vigor

[compact atlas]

Ah. Thanks. So I was inting for the whole time : D

[fading mason]

on nerzul mythic how do you guys play malevolance if you are on the ouitside

[plain thistle]

shadowstep to boss or to someone that is closer

[fading mason]

and do you face to the platform or away ?

[plain thistle]

doesnt matter

but you need to shadowstep before you are off the plataform, otherwise you wont be able