Shit
#assassination
frigid pilot
oak sky
r3
obtuse robin
so 3
frigid pilot
Yeah
obtuse robin
so now sim urself with r4
frigid pilot
I summed with R5 it’s 600 above this
kind talon
@oak sky
frigid pilot
*simmed
kind talon
sheeeeeeeesh
oak sky
sheeeesh
frigid pilot
Yay
obtuse robin
oak sky
i had r4 unholy
kind talon
<:thanksfriend:585740413684416539>
kind talon
oak sky
embers arent that awful to get
kind talon
i get rank 5 frost in 2 weeks
obtuse robin
but who would known i had blood r3 2nd week
frigid pilot
@obtuse robin oh so you’re fucked up fucked up
obtuse robin
il have r5 in 2 resets
oak sky
dekai i think you sim higher than me
kind talon
i nsin?
oak sky
yeah
oak sky
i have no crit
oak sky
1s
frigid pilot
Agreon I’ll give u mine
oak sky
top gear is simming rn
frigid pilot
I don’t need it
dawn ivy
crit crackhead
runic maple
it doesnt matter if I face ner'zhul (mythic) when im outer on the knockback for the shadowstep right
dawn ivy
it never mattered for me
kind talon
dawn ivy
just be NUTTY fast on the shadowstep
oak sky
wait what
runic maple
do u make ur tank place the boss closer to the edge for easier ss?
runic maple
mby I shld beg my tank to do that lel
dawn ivy
kinda
kind talon
:)
dawn ivy
tanks naturally did that
kind talon
it should be there anyways tho
real bay
when are you stepping like 0.1 on MD cast ?
kind talon
for melee uptime
dawn ivy
step the moment you get knocked any direction
kind talon
when are you stepping like 0.1 on MD cast ?
after the cast
runic maple
ye it was close to the edge, but I think the tank cld positioned it better for the ss
hollow river
mby I shld beg my tank to do that lel
They should already be doing that
real bay
XD
runic maple
ye gotta wait for the dispel ofc lol
kind talon
"rogue whats going on"
obtuse robin
also if ur doing orbs take them to the dispell area to drop off
dawn ivy
IDK MAN THE OTHER GUY DID THAT
kind talon
that happened to me on outlaw the other day in heroic
real bay
just dont get malevolence ez
dawn ivy
oof idk how outlaw works
kind talon
and he cancelled cast
runic maple
true, I rarely get malevolene, got it today tho for the first time kek
dawn ivy
im sure its doable
kind talon
kind talon
oof idk how outlaw works
ye u have to hook early
runic maple
failed the ss on first try 
kind talon
so the hook will connect after you get knocked
obsidian socket
Once you’re off the platform ss doesn’t work
quasi grotto
The MD has to be plavwd correctly to for it to work now we found
runic maple
ye
kind talon
doesnt work if theres no ground below u
kind talon
The MD has to be plavwd correctly to for it to work now we found
the 2 targets must be right next to eachother
runic maple
so I prolly shldnt be standing right at the edge either, to make it easier
the closer the better right
obsidian socket
Just throw poison knifes at him until you’re dispelled
quasi grotto
the 2 targets must be right next to eachother
We had it working without. Md has to have the centre of the pool jist behind the furthest
ruby mantle
Thank you, would you recommend deathspike? or i see dashing scoundrel appears to be popular
dawn ivy
i dont have a deep opinion on leggos for sin
kind talon
Thank you, would you recommend deathspike? or i see dashing scoundrel appears to...
deathspike is a 0% ST leggo
oak sky
dashing is more for raid, in m+ its usually zoldyck
kind talon
dawn ivy
but necro is a pretty hard no go for sub
kind talon
deathspike is only considerable for outlaw
kind talon
dashing scoundrel / doomblade are the go-to @ruby mantle
ruby mantle
thank you guys.
kind talon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/apUCnJj2owXbz13QnoxLTf
isnt that higher than my earlier sim
oh no
oak sky
ur 9294
runic maple
oh damn didnt know ss didnt work if no ground below, good to know lol
kind talon
also @oak sky wanna see what happens if i upgrade my mainhand dagger
oak sky
no crit no 262 dashing 
obtuse robin
@kind talon so the wa does it trigger when the priest presses the button or is it just a notification for when to press md
oak sky
yea
kind talon
<@!170031192400199681> so the wa does it trigger when the priest presses the but...
when the priest presses it
you get a 1 second
big bar
oak sky
lets see what happens when i get like the painer ring, kt shoulders, and sylvanas chest this week 
kind talon
lets see what happens when i get like the painer ring, kt shoulders, and sylvana...
that is hard copium man
no shot
kind talon
no shot
runic maple
btw, killed sylv on hc while having outlaw spec loot pref by accident kek, glad I got no loot 
obsidian socket
btw, killed sylv on hc while having outlaw spec loot pref by accident kek, glad ...
runic maple
indeed
oak sky
you being in sin loot spec would be a fully different reality so you couldve had the dagger
ruby mantle
am i reading this correctly, doomblade and dashing are very close in ST, does dashing pull ahead though in aoe scenarios? am i understanding that correctly?
oak sky
looks like annoying orange
runic maple
im just telling myself it wldnt matter cus I got no loot, but what if 
kind talon
am i reading this correctly, doomblade and dashing are very close in ST, does da...
dashing pulls ahead in all scenarios given that you have the frost gems and good crit% :)
ruby mantle
ok thank you that woudl explain why in wlogs its used far more.
kind talon
and it's naturally at an advantage in multi target situations :)
obsidian socket
am i reading this correctly, doomblade and dashing are very close in ST, does da...
Personally. Only r5 frost will beat doomblade in my sims
ruby mantle
now to run CA to get the legendary sigh.
obtuse robin
am i reading this correctly, doomblade and dashing are very close in ST, does da...
they r close if ur necro
oak sky
they can be close with low ilvl and crit too
obtuse robin
yea
runic maple
som1 said u cld cloak the knockback on nerzul, is that right? that changes everything kinda
runic maple
oof
obtuse robin
wel theres the wa for it so shouldnt be to hard
runic maple
ah nice
ruby mantle
healers dispel the knockback debuff. it could happen anytime
well. assuming they call it over comms
runic maple
we use a countdown timer tho so it shld be ez
obtuse robin
on mythic u mass dispell
runic maple
most ppl use the same WA for it
ruby mantle
ahh ok. (healer main) we just call it over comms
obtuse robin
theres a wa for it
runic maple
btw black, do u have a link for the WA coak?
gusty mirage
yeah the WA is super nice for timing SS
runic maple
my brain too smol to find it
obtuse robin
yes u would cal it and then the wa couints down to when the md will go off
gusty mirage
<@!240229644349997057> dude i could be the #1 kyrian sin rogue
you mean the only kyrian sin rogue?
oak sky
niche market because its a weak market
oak sky
good sin rogues definitely go kyrian
oak sky
literally why not go necro
oak sky
only downside is playing outlaw in raid no?
arctic hare
Cause necro is stupad!
kind talon
oak sky
bro
ruby mantle
ahh mass dispel, we single dispel. shadow priests cant be trusted and we have no healer priest.
gusty mirage
Cause necro is stupad!
how dare you
arctic hare
I'm mostly joking lol
oak sky
i swear necro will do more damage on like every boss but guardian
arctic hare
Tarragrue?
spice spire
how dare you
Don’t you bully me on the daily for going Necro?
arctic hare
Lol
gusty mirage
yes
spice spire
Staying*
runic maple
wont me using cloak 0.5 sec before the dispel literally kill everyone tho
spice spire
oak sky
tarragrue isnt a boss
kind talon
Don’t you bully me on the daily for going Necro?
go kyrian 
oak sky
its a pinata
spice spire
go kyrian <:ez:587982298104987648>
Never will
spice spire
Echoing reprimand is actually awful
oak sky
ok then in that case kyrian is probably better on no bosses
spice spire
don't encourage him
I’d say this is the best emote of all time
kind talon
don't encourage him
who wouldnt encourage Quake, hes like a kind stepdad
oak sky
unless you play outlaw for one
spice spire
who wouldnt encourage Quake, hes like a kind stepdad
That’s so kind, the heck
kind talon
<:oxiWTF:875883532835225620>
where are these pictures of u coming from man
gusty mirage
MakeitQuake is like the brother I never wanted but can't get rid of
kind talon
togepiblush
gusty mirage
where are these pictures of u coming from man
everytime I share a picture @verbal mantle turns it into an emote 
kind talon
everytime I share a picture <@!193393699319840769> turns it into an emote <:exsa...
ye cuz ur hot
idiot
oak sky
😳
kind talon
😳
gusty mirage
you should see daddysen 
verbal mantle
kind talon
you should see daddysen <:sweat:656236782064500786>
yeah i bet hes stacked
@verbal mantle
selfie exchange?
spice spire
Stacked isn’t even the word
kind talon
winged basin
can someone tell me what the heck I am missing, cause I got a phat dagger since this sim and my sims went down alot
verbal mantle
selfie exchange?
yes but do you shiv on cd
spice spire
Frost set?
spice spire
Sims fixed
oak sky
kind talon
yes but do you shiv on cd
yes
spice spire
Better reflecting damage
winged basin
O
kind talon
but selfie exhancegE?
narrow ravine
so how much energy are you guys pooling before shiv comes off cooldown?
winged basin
monkey mode mb, thank you!
kind talon
@gusty mirage
spice spire
And yeah what agreon said
kind talon
narrow ravine
105?
winged basin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852150820832149504/858796893222862858/ima...
this is me, just @ me next time
spice spire
No that’s literally oxi 
oak sky
grom 
narrow ravine
so toxic...
oak sky
toxic rogue
spice spire
That’s what made you toxic 
gusty mirage
That’s what made you toxic <:really:876974140840632400>
kind talon
winged basin
gusty mirage
listen @spice spire I'm like a sourpatch kid
gusty mirage
first I'm sour then I'm sweet
spice spire
Nah ur just a qt 24/7.
With a hint of toxicity
hollow river
When did u make someone quit raiding
gusty mirage
When did u make someone quit raiding
in CN 
narrow ravine
im more like a garbagepale kid, at first you are like gross but then you are like ...eww
hollow river
Oxi is the nicest rogue I’ve ever seen
gusty mirage
Alright gents
hollow river
Oof
gusty mirage
story time
gusty mirage
yes storytime in #wow-general
frigid kestrel
I saved you, you now owe me
hollow river
I saved you, you now owe me
What’s the worst that could happen
gusty mirage
I saved you, you now owe me
I give you all my good loot juju for the next 2 resets 
obtuse robin
wont me using cloak 0.5 sec before the dispel literally kill everyone tho
cloak is not for when u have malevence its so u can negate the knockback from others
kind talon
^^
frigid kestrel
I give you all my good loot juju for the next 2 resets <:prayge:8037114910217338...
If I can find a Ally heroic Sylvie pug that aren’t full of unevolved apes I might get a chance to be disappointed at a dagger not dropping for me again 
runic maple
oh its for others wot
kind talon
If I can find a Ally heroic Sylvie pug that aren’t full of unevolved apes I migh...
just get a guild
runic maple
we do ss for the knockback when others have malevence tho
oak sky
guild on alliance
frigid kestrel
just get a guild <:logs:585734084232347648>
My guild broke apart because Blizz likes to do things to people.
gusty mirage
just get a guild <:logs:585734084232347648>
imagine thinking guilds still clear heroic
kind talon
My guild broke apart because Blizz likes to do things to people.
find a new one 
frigid kestrel
Finding a guild that’s good on Ally is legit impossible
oak sky
move to australia
kind talon
what else? idk
frigid kestrel
Stormrage Dalaran
Ye I was thinking on moving back to there
pseudo hamlet
Silvermoon is fine 🙂
kind talon
Ye I was thinking on moving back to there
ya theres a few good ally guilds bro dont give up hope
kind talon
pro tip is
oak sky
iirc the good proudmoore guild went horde
frigid kestrel
Ye
kind talon
or xfer twice
i got reimbursed by the guild
oak sky
sheeesh
viscid spear
Oxi is the nicest rogue I’ve ever seen
Most be a small sample size.
frigid kestrel
or xfer twice
…… I legit did that. The guild was going to xfer to Stormrage to recruit and rebuild…. So I moved to start recruiting faster. Then they was like “let’s merge with this other guild” so I moved back. And then they just….. broke. Now I’m in a 1/10 9/10 guild
oak sky
the weird thing is if blizz removes faction imbalance shit i feel like all the alliance realms might die
even if the faction would get a lot of people
obtuse robin
we do ss for the knockback when others have malevence tho
ok and what r u gonna do with the 3rd malevence
runic maple
havent gotten to that part yet so wasnt rly in my thought process lol
uneven hamlet
the weird thing is if blizz removes faction imbalance shit i feel like all the a...
Tbh the game would be so much better if u could cross play, for both factions
oak sky
for sure
uneven hamlet
It already happens on rbgs, it doesn't affect a thing
frigid kestrel
Don’t get me wrong I’m not knocking the guild I’m in, I just don’t like taking steps back from prog because reasons…… but back to Rogues shit, LFR Sylv dagger in OH beats out anything? Or just anything that’s not 252?
runic maple
pretty spicy fight I guess
hollow river
Don’t get me wrong I’m not knocking the guild I’m in, I just don’t like taking s...
Sim
I think the only thing worth in LFR is sockets tbh
U can’t even LFR sylv yet can u
real pewter
Double edge of nights any good?
frigid kestrel
U can’t even LFR sylv yet can u
Next week I think
frigid kestrel
Just trying to see if it’s even worth trying to farm
uneven hamlet
Don’t get me wrong I’m not knocking the guild I’m in, I just don’t like taking s...
Sim yourself, for ME , silv dagger normal is lower than a 246 in offhand
hollow river
Depending on ur other daggers
dawn ivy
yes
uneven hamlet
They stack
hollow river
Damage stacks
dawn ivy
the damage does
frigid kestrel
Sim yourself, for ME , silv dagger normal is lower than a 246 in offhand
I was asking as a general question based on ilvl and dagger affect.
real pewter
kk
hollow river
Heroic EoN beats 252 in OH normally
uneven hamlet
I was asking as a general question based on ilvl and dagger affect.
Oh, the dmg does scale with ilvl
hollow river
Normal compared to 246/252 is different for everyone
sinful stirrup
hello! 1 fast question, for the weapons, what is better, the saheded sharpening stone or the shadoowcore oil? ty ^^
oak sky
!oils
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
viscid spear
I use stones, mostly because I have an alt make them
hollow river
And spectral agility pots
harsh anchor
Is there a profile where dashing beats out DB for necrolords with frost or am I just chasing unicorns
sinful stirrup
oooh ty guys!
obtuse robin
its pinned
loud light
The pinned sims have dashing +180 dps over doomblade for necro:
ilvl 255, so good luck
kind talon
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hN6kvrFzodCvgXVnL75Cra
pretty sure thats necro ye?
oh
nvm
LOL
loud light
that's what he was asking, so YEP!
harsh anchor
lmao yeah nah that's a pipe dream right there
obtuse robin
what he is saying is he is not going to play that far
harsh anchor
As in almost unobtainable for myself. Granted, doesn't really matter but /shrug I'll keep my 4/10M for now
harsh lantern
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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harsh anchor
I am too but I expect it to be rather late in the tier so at the best, might be able to snag a few M sylv items? idk
kindred rapids
what's the point of gear when you're already CE
harsh anchor
monkey brain like number go up
wintry mica
^
wintry mica
its not like you just get CE and then immediately quit the game
hollow river
Isn’t that the point of MMORPG?
wintry mica
im looking forward to having to keep a set of dom gear around for torg and maw stuff
yea but then theres a whole new set of good gear to get
harsh anchor
dom sockets 2.0 where you can wear 2 sets at a time
wintry mica
the old chinese leaks from way back made it sound like actual tier sets would come in 9.2
obtuse robin
we gonna have dom shards set bonus and two leggos its gonna be lit
harsh anchor
9.1.5 is xmog patch
wintry mica
yea
harsh anchor
wintry mica
couple of soul shapes and some new druid travel forms got announced
hollow river
That’s it?
harsh anchor
inb4 NF is bis for rogues oh no
hollow river
Is a date announced?
harsh anchor
I'd say ~October
obtuse robin
they busy working on classic fresh it will come out next year
oak sky
Then next patch in january feb
obtuse robin
9.1.5 next year i mean
kind talon
Renown caps halfway through October
obtuse robin
oof
oak sky
Yeah october seems safe
obtuse robin
forshadowing
hollow river
I need this patch to be as long as 9.0
frigid pilot
Remember when night fae was good for rogue, those were the days
hollow river
Hoping my current trial works out
oak sky
I was venthyr then anyway
frigid pilot
True, none of the rogue Covenants were very impressive
Besides kyrian in pvp was sick
oak sky
Yeah i watched a lot of pvp back then kyrian sub was nutty
subtle otter
according to my sims, inscrutable quantum device 252 seems to be my best drop in vault, would u go for it rather than hc Titanic ocular Gland + 246 Phial? or is it too random which stat u get, so not worth it eventhough sims says so?
havent seen any rogues on the top logs using it, hence why im asking
hollow river
I’d go for shadowgrasp totem > IQD
Depending on the difference between gland
But IQD can be sadge sometimes
hollow river
Depends on difference I guess
But I was told I should take 242 totem > 252 iqd out of my vault
subtle otter
weird
hollow river
Difference was only like 40 dps at the time
wintry mica
theotar triple potency is only 2 dps behind nadjia right now for me, so I guess im back to trying to roll crit before raids
hollow river
Probably different with frost now
hollow river
theotar triple potency is only 2 dps behind nadjia right now for me, so I guess ...
Ew
wintry mica
yea only with dashing though for that extra poison conduit
wintry mica
yea I like the consistency of nadjia
hollow river
Thinking about switching to sub full time
subtle otter
what do u guys think about venthyr vs necro? I see alot of necro sin rogues at the top of the logs
halcyon zealot
it literally comes down to if you off spec outlaw or sub AND what button you like pressing more
wintry mica
do you plan on playing either of the other rogue specs?
halcyon zealot
both are completely fine
subtle otter
yeah I enjoy all 3 tbh
wintry mica
generally venth is better for sub and necro for outlaw as an offspec
but ST venth outlaw is also pretty damn good
red plaza
Venthyr. Obedience leggo. Enjoy all 3 🙂
wintry mica
yea it is pretty nice being able to use obe for everything if you are behind on leggos
obe still outsims dashing for me if im running ep/vig
sharp zodiac
it literally comes down to if you off spec outlaw or sub AND what button you li...
Everyone says this but doesn’t Heirmir Sub technically sim the best for M+
halcyon zealot
Everyone says this but doesn’t Heirmir Sub technically sim the best for M+
a quick look at #subtlety-faq says yes, but for ST it’s below even NF, so i think most take the trade off and go venthyr
idle star
yea I like the consistency of nadjia
Her procs line up weird with raid bosses. The fact you get no benefit from how under 1-2 minutes into the fight means the procs arent up during cd's.. kinda clunky
wintry mica
would it be worth it to try to get the anima charge with vanish?
kind talon
wintry mica
i would think a 7 CP envenom with 50% bonus crit wouldnt be bad, but I had echoing for a whole like 30 minutes while leveling through bastion so I dont know shit lol
kind talon
i would think a 7 CP envenom with 50% bonus crit wouldnt be bad, but I had echoi...
it wouldnt be bad but
if you want to line it up during vendetta right
for ur first and third cast
then you would end up potentially delaying vanish as well
kind talon
yes
balmy condor
hold on
dawn ivy
whispyr getting the question gun
balmy condor
do i use during MA window or after <@!167090536602140682>
during
kind talon
so during MA window during vendetta
hollow river
the kyrian sin rogue questions have arrived
quasi venture
balmy condor
think about it like a mutilate yeah
you would hold for 10 seconds to sync with vend
I'll update faq
balmy condor
yeah not worth
balmy condor
45 sec cd is really close to a "just send it" type situation
kind talon
ye
except for the first ER
and then just send afterwards
is what id assume
3rd ER does line up with vendetta duration tho which is super nice
balmy condor
ye
hollow river
well
i was thinking sub for 2 steps
but idk
i meant more along the line of immunities
and such
!def
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strange python
I don’t see any big differences in logs between sin and sub on Sylvanas. I’ve played both for about 50 pulls and sin feels better, are there any clear benefits to either spec? To people who have killed it
balmy condor
i meant more along the line of immunities
can cloak pretty much everything, I suggest cloaking during really rough puddles later on, or just as a survival if your healers fall behind
one step is fine
bronze grove
feel like sub has better control of where their damage is going on that fight. so it really depends if your group needs it or not
balmy condor
you'l have it for every dispel
quasi ledge
Don't hit orbs at all now tbh, they die so fast with the nerf. Probs worth DoTing but I cba :p
Step every bomb, save cloak for shit swirls when you step back or get trapped by cones
Yes to both
quasi ledge
Make sure you still face outward with bomb and not right at the edge
strange python
Make sure you still face outward with bomb and not right at the edge
Doesn’t matter where you face
Just face what you’re stepping
quasi ledge
Technically not, but step can sometimes fail if you get yeeted off (more if you're right at the edge) and also helps when you get the chest dispel so you can step that knockback
Best play safe and get knocked into the platform tbh though
hollow river
simming a lot higher as sub atm
im trialing and this is just reclear
but it'll prolly take a few pulls
quasi ledge
There's a WA to show the MD timer to help know when you're gonna step as well
hollow river
you need to step pretty quickly don't you
once over edge no more step
i just don't wanna get trigger happy
wintry mica
fingers crossed, last shot at crit tea before raid
wintry mica
right of the soulforge
wintry mica
no
hollow river
so if i switch to sin nadjia, then back sub theo, ill be good
wintry mica
but if you use it without theotar as your soulbind you dont get a buff and it still goes on 1hr cd
hollow river
oof
wintry mica
im about to use a 252 conduit upgrade on my 213 lashing because the other ones never drop
shut garnet
i meant more along the line of immunities
if u care about mitigating the most amount of dmg u can cloak first and last shatter
hollow river
im about to use a 252 conduit upgrade on my 213 lashing because the other ones n...
u can choose?
wintry mica
its my only 213
hollow river
oh
wintry mica
but with max 1 upgrade per week seems kind of dumb
hollow river
if u care about mitigating the most amount of dmg u can cloak first and last sha...
which one is shatter x.x i dont keep up with names as much, moreso the look of them all lol
strange python
!wa
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finite yarrow
can someone link the windfury chart?
wintry mica
its in general pins
finite yarrow
ty
balmy condor
yeh
wintry mica
still a decent thing to cloak but probably better to save for emergencies or if healers are real behind
quasi ledge
Can keep an eye out of the orb debuff, towards the end near the last shatter you can have 2 debuffs and they hurt, good time to cloak then
shut garnet
raid cds are used, but thats still the sketchiest point id say
like people will still take giga dmg
short token
i don't get it 43% crit and frost sims almost 500dps below unholy
i need more? someone was saying 35 was the break point
plain thistle
500? show sim
harsh lantern
https://gyazo.com/4d768a7ceddce004c23c954c678dfd99 76k winds crit lmao
plain atlas
patchwork in aoe spec...
short token
oh man
i'm all out of spec
gd it
came out of torghast
let me do this right ffs
strange python
reverberation not good at all?
bleak sky
you can just zoom zoom invisible through torghy now
strange python
viscid spear
Also a 239 Stiletto
Afraid the game wants me to lean towards Sub
strange python
won't be swapping spec xd
kind talon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aPsVPAt3gqeJ4pQ9TujCw <@!1700311924001996...
What’s ur otl sim
After the frost set tc changes
kind talon
Mine is like 10.2 something
kind talon
Ur weird
strange python
<3
strange python
Love u lew san
love u too
kind talon
@oak sky We sim for more than u as kyrian
kind talon
Ur actually fried
kind talon
!!!
kind talon
Just play more m+
oak sky
all my bad slots are dom
strange python
fusion amp is bad for other rogue specs anyway right?
oak sky
nah fusion amp is good on everyone
strange python
oh ok
cobalt pelican
fusion amp is the best t rinket for every spec
oak sky
unless its bad on sub
obtuse robin
so frost is simming less now?
strange python
maybe it drops one day
cobalt pelican
obviously not at 226 but ye
oak sky
that trinket seems troll af
bleak sky
might see if 252 occular gland is better
gland feelsbad
cobalt pelican
prolly is as sin if you're playing frost and have room for crit
even at lower uptimes
bleak sky
I'm using it because it's the only thing I've got, but damn it feels bad
oak sky
literally raid damage trolls you with that trinket though
strange python
but there's like almost no raid dmg
oak sky
i guess
cobalt pelican
not really, there's a grace period and you shouldn't be permanently fucking dead
oak sky
oh i didnt realize there was a grace period
oak sky
i was running the crit garrosh trinket for a while before i got phial
cobalt pelican
i'd sim it at like 90% uptime or something and see where you're at, or check your logs cause i guess it depends a bit on how well thought through your healing team is
oak sky
that one is ok
still elm
do the powers in m+ really matter for ass rogue or just grab whatever
obtuse robin
so r the frost discoveries and fixes making nadja sim 250 dps less?
balmy condor
yeh
oak sky
isnt frost stuff old news now tho
cobalt pelican
some people sim their character once on a tuesday
cobalt pelican
you're simming single potency bud
solemn hawk
Is it worth switching from doomblade to dashing ?
bleak sky
isnt frost stuff old news now tho
oh no
dark token
you guys think its worth to garrote or rupture painsmith balls or just fok envenom
obtuse robin
do the powers in m+ really matter for ass rogue or just grab whatever
there tiers check giudes
oak sky
tbh i have no opinion on painsmith balls
dark token
ye
bleak sky
on soulrender do you focus the big add or do you just cleave it with ct?
odd heath
focus
odd heath
yep
bleak sky
ty ty
flat pike
if you are at 5 combo points and garrote is at say 4 seconds left, do you a) garrote even though you have max CP, or b) do you envenom/rupture/whatever and then garrote that first CP when garrote is at ~1 to 0 seconds?
quasi ledge
Finish first
flat pike
so priority on not wasting combo points over maximizing that garrote duration kk
quasi ledge
As long as Garrote doesn't drop it doesn't matter when in the pandemic window you refresh
flat pike
kk thanks
sinful flicker
!opener
prisma monolithBOT
oak sky
openers should be in those
sinful flicker
thanks!
limpid quest
question in tips says frost set best for assasin I have the head gear to socket 3 unhooly shards to get set bonus... Is there a piece of gear that has a set for frost bonus?
cursive silo
shoulders
limpid quest
or do you just put gems in geart without bonus
k ty
will look up see what boss that falls of of
cursive silo
tarragrue and kt
peak bobcat
How much does windfury benefit assas?
vast forum
WF sims are in #wow-general
on that note: @vestal wren did the value of WFT increase for assa with the swap to frost + dashing ?
timid talon
they would, but probably not by much
sinful citrus
Is sin or sub punished more for stopping dps
red plaza
How much does windfury benefit assas?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785881292579143723/878100272767971358/image0.png
You can sim with and without wind fury
pale plank
shrewd ether
hello people, does anyone know what the criteria are for ysar shiv in rotation?
plain thistle
kt p3 damage, boomkin is balanced boys
lunar otter
yo is frost set getin nerfed?\
plain thistle
yo is frost set getin nerfed?\
no, just a fix in simulation
check #tc-updates for more information
zinc frost
If I hear a boomy whinging about anything I’m just sending them this photo
balmy condor
yo is frost set getin nerfed?\
do you by chance, happen to visit a certain, infexious gamer
and peruse his content
lunar otter
No lol
plain thistle
If I hear a boomy whinging about anything I’m just sending them this photo
and thats without PI, he got PI for the add inside (that was our first p3, we didnt know how much dps we would need)
balmy condor
where's this nerf stuff coming from that's like the 6th person today
lunar otter
Some in my guild does and told me this so i had to check if i missed anythin and i saw in the tc thread the sim update so all g haha
balmy condor
ah
plain thistle
not sure, I think I answered 3 times today
lunar otter
Oh yeah well i guess
bleak sky
and thats without PI, he got PI for the add inside (that was our first p3, we di...
take my energy ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
gl on sylv
lunar otter
I got sent a DM with his post
plain thistle
take my energy ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
hollow talon
should i play ass or sub for guardian
lunar otter
What ever u want
hollow talon
oak sky
Better gear
balmy condor
probably outlaw honestly
bleak sky
big sadge pirate
hollow talon
balmy condor
it's about as close to patchwerk as you're getting
oak sky
Sim all 3 specs and use the highest one or the one you play best
balmy condor
maybe not after the fix
oak sky
Wouldnt that depend on your gear individually
bleak sky
Wouldnt that depend on your gear individually
and skill
oak sky
Im just strictly talking about the sim when i say depend on gear but yeah defs
split grail
Should I be running EP/ Vigor instead of MA/DS
spice spire
community ook ook back
balmy condor
Should I be running EP/ Vigor instead of MA/DS
ep/vig on everything except guardian
I also assume you mean bs/ds
and not ma/ds
cause you run ma on everything
split grail
ep/vig on everything except guardian
Thanks! Why not on Guardian, out of curiosity?
balmy condor
it's the only pure single target fight
split grail
Right, I meant bs/ds
flat pike
what dimensions are you guys simming, patchwerk 5 minutes? im 244 ilvl orange parses but my sims show nowhere close to your 11k yall have, i sim only 7k....
dusk void
Not DPS related, but damn I’m tired of not being able to mog swords, yet twin blades of hakkari exist….
plain thistle
what dimensions are you guys simming, patchwerk 5 minutes? im 244 ilvl orange pa...
244 ilvl simming 7k?
O.o
flat pike
ya ST
balmy condor
are you just turning off all the buffs
flat pike
and im doing well too
plain thistle
be sure to equip a dagger
flat pike
which buffs do you guys have enabled, bloodlust?
dusk void
Ideally all buffs
dusk void
You aren’t soloing a raid are you?
dusk void
And sims are to simulate top dps, obviously they’re perfect conditions
flat pike
kk
dusk void
That’s why it’s called a “patchwerk”, because Patchwerk was the first static fight, In Naxx40, that had zero mechanics other than a DPS check.
flat pike
true
flat pike
ya haha just hard to compare when everyone using different standards
grim parcel
like windfury and ww buff i haven't gotten ever in my raids
Whats a WW buff?
balmy condor
yeah just keep them all on
flat pike
5% physical dmg
balmy condor
yeh he means the debuff
grim parcel
Doesnt all monks provide that?
dusk void
Not every guild raids with 20 people. 10 man normal/heroics still exist
balmy condor
yeh
flat pike
yea
dusk void
I’d give up our enhancement shaman WF, to get rid of the person behind the shaman tbh
flat pike
also is there a real way you guys sim for M+? dratnos says not to and to just look at what top players are doing, since dungeon cleave 6 min beta slice isn't super accurate?
balmy condor
dungeonslice is very accurate
for rogues specifically
other classes not so much
which is why it's not recommended for most
but rogues are giga optimized for it
flat pike
oh i see how come only rogues?
plain thistle
top players arent accurate as well, since they play what they think is best
or what they enjoy
flat pike
like i just simmed for dungeon slice and it says i need 3 unholy and 1 blood rather than 1 of each to get that dmg boost
plain thistle
especially when options are 1-2% apart
dusk void
The lesson to be learned here is the cake is a lie 🤷🏻♂️
halcyon tapir
Is anyone able to give me some
Opener advice for The Nine? Not sure if i should rupture/sbs both before popping cds etc
balmy condor
oh i see how come only rogues?
because our theorycrafters are fucking chads
flat pike
lol
balmy condor
Is anyone able to give me some
Opener advice for The Nine? Not sure if i should ...
just do a single target opener
wintry mica
dashing any good in keys, or should i just stick with like obe or zoldyck?
flat pike
you are involved in making raidbot sim stuff?
wintry mica
whispyr is one of the big brain rogues
balmy condor
I mean, depends on your definition of "involved"
dusk void
@wintry mica you doing high keys?
balmy condor
but I do tell the bot what to do
wintry mica
nah just like 15-16s
dusk void
That’s “high” so Zoldyck is best for m+
dusk void
I’ll defer to Whispyr 100%
wintry mica
trash is gunna die fast in this group lol
paper blaze
still better to do frost set than unholy right now ?
balmy condor
that's fine
wintry mica
im not pumping but they are lol
balmy condor
still better to do frost set than unholy right now ?
yes
dusk void
I’m sitting on r3 unholy with like 100 embers waiting on that shoulder drop 😭
paper blaze
obed still is the go to for m+ if u are sin right?
halcyon tapir
rupture it afterwards
Thanks heaps for that! struggling to parse >8x, will try this out =)
wintry mica
I tried BS/DS on our heroic guardian farm and it was going really well until I flagged and got bomb and ended up with 11 stacks
flat pike
frost only good if you have the a) dashing legendary, b) at least RANK 3 frost gems, and c) at least 40% crit no?
wintry mica
frost still beats unholy without dashing for me
dusk void
Frost is good if the sims say it’s good
flat pike
rank 3*
dusk void
Also, Frost also provides defensive which isn’t accounted for in sims
flat pike
i have all rank 1 frost gems and did horrible compared to my unholy
wintry mica
well yea
dusk void
Well…it’s rank 1
wintry mica
rank 2 set is double the effectiveness of rank 1
dusk void
Frost overtakes unholy at 4 for most people. But sims are the best bet
wintry mica
i have 39.5% crit and frost is still pretty far ahead for me
flat pike
kk
wintry mica
just do some top gear sims with r3 of each or r4 of each and you can get an easy idea
flat pike
kk thanks
wintry mica
lethal poisons over well-placed steel make sense for mythic+?
oh nevermind its literally 1 dps difference in the sim lol
spice spire
lethal poisons over well-placed steel make sense for mythic+?
It does to me
I run triple potency Kevin because I’m an actual ape
For m+
arctic walrus
you are involved in making raidbot sim stuff?
@balmy condor 
clear shadow
wintry mica
yes
i usually garrote the other after MA and do the first rupture after shiv window but not sure if thats optimal
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> <a:nyaLaugh3:683860866688614405>
paper blaze
yo guys so im preparing my char for when i get the shoulder for the frost set
now im sitting 34% crit and im like if i drop more haste to get crit right
idk if droping that haste below 20% is good?
balmy condor
it is, and you would sim
paper blaze
couse right now im sitting 34% crit and 20% haste
kk
ah one last question using shadowcore oil is better than the sharpness one? the one+20 AP
brazen zodiac
theres a command thatll tell u about it but i think its like 0.5% or somethin diff but check for urself
balmy condor
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
brazen zodiac
^
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mQYyHvSnociGW42DptByge not sure how yall posted 10k sims up in this bitch >.<
obtuse robin
well for one ur frost is r3
ur crit is a little low for 10k sim and ur using db
and ur main hand is 239
are you not looking at other 10k sims gear/stats
velvet nacelle
239 mainhand?!? lucky!
233 mh for me still
no luck in mythics or heroic raid yet, but at least my 233 is the sylv dagger
bleak sky
no luck in mythics or heroic raid yet, but at least my 233 is the sylv dagger
why not a 246 from dungeon?
brazen zodiac
nah i am i knew daggers were big part but didnt think i was gettin pwned that hard
i keep using db cause dashing not simmin higher yet rip but probs cause r3 frost
flat pike
man survival huntards are pumping dont stand a chance with their absolute massive burst every single pack
fallen arch
Luckily you only see one once a decade
flat pike
yep
dark token
obed still is the go to for m+ if u are sin right?
zoldyck for necrolord, obedience or dashing scoundrel for venthyr
surprisingly diverse legendary choices
oak sky
i just want to say that in dslice my dashing sims much lower than zoldyck at the same ilvl
as venth
obedience might would be higher but i dont have it
cursive silo
U can sim it even if you don’t have it
oak sky
yeah but i forgot to do that
balmy condor
zoldyck for necrolord, obedience or dashing scoundrel for venthyr
I think you meant zoldyck for everyone
tacit wedge
^
oak sky
@balmy condor are you totally opposed to obe on tyrannical?
balmy condor
I think it’s fine and probably close, but still most likely worse
oak sky
idk what the current sims are but it seems like it would be a good pop for your st
maybe could depend on your group at that point though
balmy condor
It’s possible
I think dashing and doom in keys is simply incorrect though
That’s never the move
oak sky
i did doom once last season because i forgot to swap
balmy condor
Deathspike is also never the move unless you’re doing like +9’s and smashing them in 15 minutes
oak sky
actually
i had ma and everything
full raid build
felt shit
ok
made it to the tp rare
sheeesh
balmy condor
Also anything other than subterfuge is troll
And so is anything other than crimson tempest
tacit wedge
Ppl playing with doom in m+ forgot there's trashpacks between boss
oak sky
i think the theorycraft was for top