assassination

[weak bane]

Like I'll change around my vers or mastery values in dungeons depending on my team comp

So don't treat stat weighting as gospel or if there are thresholds

Cuz it'll change depending on diff content

[pseudo hamlet]

It just feels odd that after some kind of treshold the other gear set is simming higher.
I mean the difference is like ~10-15 DPS.
For example it shows me that I should have one ring enchanted with crit and the second with the haste.
It's a non game-breaking, just interesting behaviour of stat weights with certain gear set.

[weak bane]

Yep I feel it

You can also just plan for future acquisitions

Like if you expect to get 3 haste pieces from some easy sources then just rock the crit ring instead cuz its just temporarily a small dps loss

But yeah it is normal that things will flip pretty rapidly especially when swapping legendaries, set effect, etc

[pseudo hamlet]

My gear is rather pretty steady, especially the legendary and the dom socket items.

After thinking about it for a while I think that the diminishing return could be the reason why crit is losing the value because of it's higher amount.

[weak bane]

Yeah could be
I always find myself in a mindset of like
"Need more crit without losing haste, what can I replace and how" then just hunting those pieces

[balmy condor]

I have a sub set

[tacit wedge]

No
Outlaw is very solid for m+ if you want to push due to the kit it provide
It does well on late boss of SoD
And well, if you prefer the gameplay

[balmy condor]

If you’re looking for outlaw though I’ll cut your throat while you sleep and feed your stomach to your pet bird for the next year until he morphs from the remains into a super bird that will fly across the Atlantic carrying hundreds of tons of cargo, creating a new age of freight delivery. Scientists will create super birds to carry all the packages in the world and we’ll name it after you for your valiant sacrifice

Or you can make those yourself I guess shouldn’t be too bad just a little copy paste

[tacit wedge]

For free?

[balmy condor]

The swole irl corviknights or the weakauras

[fallen arch]

[tacit wedge]

The corviknight

[balmy condor]

Oh no

[slim wagon]

I play sin on raids, outlaw on dungeons and trying to add sub in my arsenal of weapons, meaning just practising on low keys & non progress raids

I will eventually make matching wa based on your sin profile but I'm a scrub so that means I need to find a lot of free time to do that

[balmy condor]

Those will be expensive

You’ll have to feed them seeds

[tacit wedge]

[balmy condor]

But they’ll be so big

You’ll need to like

Give em a watermelon

Or a pumpkin

Idk I haven’t worked out all the kinks

[tacit wedge]

I hope the guano can be used as fertilizer then

[balmy condor]

Nah they shit on Jeff bezos’s car

And only his car

[tacit wedge]

Good

Based

[slim wagon]

if you want to feed my stomach to my pet bird you'll have to find my parrot that run away 25 years ago

if you do that I'll love you even while I'm dead

[fallen arch]

Infexious talking about frost shard nerfs on his stream?

He clickbaited me

[balmy condor]

The nerfs of it actually just oversimming

Yes yes

Very good

[fallen arch]

Idk

His title worked on me

Dipping into stream

[zinc frost]

That’s what you get for dipping into his stream

Jebaited

[balmy condor]

Profile picture checks out

[spice spire]

Whíspyr will also bait you

[balmy condor]

It’s true

[spice spire]

Promising sims but really just doing chorthia

Pretty unlucky

[balmy condor]

Hey I did sims that stream

Many

[spice spire]

[fallen arch]

Wait what?

[tacit wedge]

Whispyr baits you by being so cute

[fallen arch]

My profile picture?

[spice spire]

Very true, eruun.

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

Wait, whispyr is cute?

[tacit wedge]

Very

[spice spire]

Not quite as cute as nova, but he’s up there

[marble hemlock]

I miss whispyr :(

[fallen arch]

His profile pic is

[balmy condor]

:( what I do

[marble hemlock]

Not in ot as often as you used to

Guess I'll have to come here more to see you

[late birch]

Is there anything I can farm from raids or dungeons or even a leggo to push those rookie numbers up?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oke8FFBQ9hyNLkCa1sa127

[tacit wedge]

Droptimizer

[late birch]

Thought dashing would start simming way more with 40% + crit :\

seems the difference is so minor

[spice spire]

Try setting your talents to bs/DS as an option as well

[late birch]

never tried that actually

[spice spire]

Think it pulls even further iirc

[shadow tusk]

Bs ds was 200 dps for me with dashing

[late birch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qkufdS9oaq5xftkyunSE45

[tacit wedge]

I'm back at doomblade gaming, the dashing lived for less than a reset

[shadow tusk]

Why

[late birch]

dont think playing BS and DP is worth it though :\

[tacit wedge]

Heroic sylvanas for dagger and chest

[pseudo hamlet]

BS+DS is cool because of the procs in the opener. And sometimes it gives you >25 flagellation 😄

[shadow tusk]

If you get lucky with crits its about the same

Got 28 on renmant yesteday, felt good

[late birch]

Been trying to get The eye mythic chest and syl dagger :\

or even Remnant dagger for that matter

[tacit wedge]

Sometimes life is just agony

[spice spire]

Yeah pain chief

[limber lion]

You should just use Droptimizer to find upgrades.

[late birch]

worth losing all that crit on the chest though for haste D"

D:

[deft obsidian]

Yeh guess frost sim updates hit us all, i'm down 185dps (EP/VG) and 200 (BS/DS)

[scenic kelp]

are there any updates for sims? yesterday i was simming around ~150 dps higher o0
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tWRvRaGFWMCRtUkoeu7u3V
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kZVyXcQooxRhGxrcPh29NP

[quasi oar]

would you guys go necro or venth for KT/sylv prog

[shadow tusk]

Venth

[balmy condor]

#tc-updates

[vagrant bison]

is it normal to be outdpsd by 3k from a ele shaman?

[balmy condor]

In m+?

3k is a lot but there is no world where you beat an ele

[vagrant bison]

yeah

well

he is 10il higher than me

[spice spire]

I do it every Thursday king wdym

[vagrant bison]

but feels bad nontheless

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Ele shaman big fragger in m+ tho

[spice spire]

Sorry king just built diff

[balmy condor]

Yeah the ele is built diff

Missing a chromosome

[scenic kelp]

tyvm !!!

[spice spire]

Now that’s toxic. Holy moly

I just pay the tank to pull the packs out of earthquake

[balmy condor]

Ele vs rogue

Is ele’s fight to lose

Every time

[spice spire]

Spires

[balmy condor]

Spires isn’t real

It can’t hurt me

[spice spire]

Ahhhh I see

[heady drum]

can i get sylv dagger from weekly vault?

[winter moss]

yes

[tacit wedge]

This moment the ele is peaking at 40k and you are still rupturing your way with a mere 13k

[shadow tusk]

If you killed the boss you Can

[hybrid cosmos]

with access to 2x 252 dagger the hc Edge of night is not worth on sylvannas herself or is it? sims barly higher then 252 OH on a normal patchwerk sim

[winter moss]

sims higher = worth it

[wintry terrace]

is frost set generally the best or only in combination with the dashing leggo?

[hollow river]

Need to just sim for the execute don’t u

Idk how EoN stacks work exactly

[winter moss]

generally is very good even without dashing

[pliant nest]

which soulbind are we using as necro?

[winter moss]

either bonesmith heirmir or emeni

and of those two bonesmith pulls ahead due to gemstones

[pliant nest]

alright thanks

[last stirrup]

I can't blame necrolord for parsing lower than i'd like to in raids eh?

thinking about going venth but not sure if worth

[hybrid cosmos]

Not sure if you dont understand my question or i dont understand ur answer, but unless you sim 100-45% (which i dont know how to do) the usual patchwerk sim doesnt say anything about sylvannas since it ends at 45% and the dagger obv. work like a form of execute dps

[arctic hare]

It’d still stack up a little bit

[winter moss]

i mean yeah it works as execute but banshee's blight procs are still dmg and the lsat 5% with 3 stacks are still valuable imo

also the fight consists of more than sylvanas

the adds in phase 2 have a fairly big enough healthpool where dmg is the key of your progression more or less

@hybrid cosmos

but yeah idk say the difference isnt big enough to put a stamp on the dagger as a must

[spice spire]

It’s 19k, thank you

[glossy jewel]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[tacit wedge]

I'm not gamer enough for that

I'm the mechanic slave

Gotta kidney and interrupt stuff

[arctic hare]

Ew, mechanics

[foggy ember]

does frost still beat out unholy at T4?

[winter moss]

yes

well

depends on gear

[foggy ember]

im only like 730 crit

[winter moss]

sim it

[thin coral]

What if I have 1 T4 and 1 T3 and 1 T1 frost, does it still beat unholy?

[arctic hare]

No

[winter moss]

Nice Trollquestion

the set bonus will still be t1

also

[tacit wedge]

What is the optimal way to use shiv? Do i need to pool energy?

[tired vessel]

Check the faq

[winter moss]

#assassination-faq message

[verbal mantle]

if ONLY we had FAQ channels.............

that'd be cool

we could read em and learn stuff

[tacit wedge]

Not fun if it doesn't grab Whispyr attention

[verbal mantle]

very fun yes

[tacit wedge]

[winter moss]

this is still the sin channel

not the whispyr fanclub

[shrewd night]

Baiting and trolling in offtopic. Dont make me give you a vacation.

[gusty mirage]

Why not both?

[spice spire]

This would upset me if I could read

[spice spire]

Almost certainly both

[tacit wedge]

A real suggestion for the faq channel : maybe a log at the end when it gets updated, so we can quickly know what to look at?

Or nah, that's what the pins in spec specific channels are for?

[winter moss]

if faq channels are updated im most certain that there will be a pin for it

[frigid kestrel]

@limber lion You swapping between Doom and Dashing on SOD fights?

[hollow talon]

sheeeeeeesh i just added a gem and its 49 dps?

thats a lot

[north pecan]

What are sockets worth on average for us this tier?

[runic maple]

is Vicious Goreripper Shank a campaign reward? seen som1 with a 233 version of it

[hollow talon]

isnt that the sire dagger

[deft obsidian]

Mythic Sire

[runic maple]

oh lol

[limber lion]

I'll have to test around, but most likely sticking to Dashing Scoundrel

[hollow talon]

hmm i did a nightly simc sim and lost like 200 dps

did they update frost set again

[frigid kestrel]

Been looking at sims accross the board to see why i cant break that 95 parse line and even 60 on (Fate,Kel, and Sylv) and im still seeing Dooms running the streets. So i figured id ask why i still see you on Doom still

Part of it might be that ive been using R3 Frost Set, dont have Phail, and dont have that Heroic Sylv Dagger yet

[gusty mirage]

246 edge of night doesn’t exist

[limber lion]

Yeah, well, I got Dashing 262 yesterday so I was a bit late to it. But I've also tested both of the legendaries and setups and I just somehow see slightly better results with Doomblade.

[gusty mirage]

If I keep telling myself that I’ll be happier with my 233

[frigid kestrel]

I wish i didnt see a Rogue with a 233 Edge get the 246 one when we did a PUG Heroic run

[limber lion]

But I'll have to test it again quite heavily to see if that's true for all fights or if it was something else.

[frigid kestrel]

You using Doom with Frost set or Unholy?

[limber lion]

Frost.

[frigid kestrel]

Im going to have to buckle up and PUG practice alot one day. See which one im doing better at

If i get Sigil duty both times on another Fate kill, i think imma just wipe to raid

for the parse 🙂

[kindred rapids]

I'm in the same boat

[wide ridge]

dashing energy regen tho

[hollow talon]

bro my sims be weird now apparently obe is slightly ahead of all the other options

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hSbNV7KxLkukWCxbuP11Lr

only 10 dps difference but ye

[narrow ravine]

I also just switched to Dashing over Doomblade with frost and felt like my performance dipped in heroic

It feels like, to me, dashing is simming higher than actual results

[hollow talon]

They all sim very close to each other

I think at higher gear levels dashing will be better but for now I kinda feel the same

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qbC1f8GAwwU8C4ZZ7B2qvj

[arctic hare]

Niceee, 10k already

[glad siren]

I need a damn weap over 233... can't get a m+ drop for my life

[arctic hare]

I got a 226 from my vault and my offhand is a 220

[prisma cypress]

still using both 200 korthia daggers here

220*

[arctic hare]

Yeah….

That was what I was using before the vault this week

[dapper flint]

239 amplifier or 252 ocular gland? I mean ocular sims like +20 dps, but i guess on prog fights you wont be >50% all the time so its shit? But that 44% crit seems so good damn

[prisma cypress]

the ocular uptime is probably higher than you think

but for only 20 dps, i'd probably stick with the amplifier

[dapper flint]

i got dashing 2 days ago so it didnt even simmed higher for me

now its a little surprise

r4 still tho

[dapper flint]

ye i think same

ty

[hollow talon]

ye but DS/BS feels really clunky to play

i know its feelcraft but it feels much worse

[winged basin]

I got SD dag yesterday so I got 242 and 236 :))) and yeah I can’t stand BS DS

[hollow talon]

i tried it for a week i didnt like it

[uneven summit]

i mean playing EP/vig + Dashing ain´t the worst, it might be alittle overkill but it´s slammin

[spice spire]

It pulls further ahead but no I too am an EP/Vig enjoyer

[hollow talon]

some bosses its good that its pure ST and you have a lot of uptime

[arctic hare]

Guardian

[hollow talon]

yeah guardians like the only one

[arctic hare]

Wouldn’t tarragrue be good too?

[random glen]

Should I use frost set instead of unholy even though unholy is simming more?

[arctic hare]

Though, I’ve only done normal

[hollow talon]

would be good on tarangoo too but that fights dps is mostly on what anime power u get

[inland oasis]

Probably not but maybe is better to invest in frost

[radiant dirge]

How much haste you guys running

[arctic hare]

Heh, 30% energy reduction to all spell costs

[edgy ginkgo]

Hey guys, would you Go with venthyr or nekro for Sin in m+?

[dapper flint]

if you also raid - venth, if not - necro imo

[inland oasis]

If you raid you can go necro also, it is very close to venth in raid and necro much ahead in m+

[edgy ginkgo]

I am raiding with sim and normally playing Outlaw in m+ but want to test around with sin in m+ a bit. I am venth atm but thinking about switching to nekro

Sim=sin

[fallen arch]

Necro is by far most fun

[shut flame]

Necro ftw!

[fallen arch]

And it’s not like venthyr is that much better in raid

[inland oasis]

If you are also playing outlaw necro is the way, BUT play what you prefer :)

[fallen arch]

It sims better on st, but that’s about it

[edgy ginkgo]

I was playing necro before 9.1 bugged necro away

[dapper flint]

i like flag burst when its needed in raid

better than nothing

[halcyon zealot]

fun is subjective

[fallen arch]

W/e, both are fine

[edgy ginkgo]

Thank you for your opinions!

[low grail]

Hey. I remember seeing it in here previously but what's the best target for shadowstep on Mythic Remnant? When you go far.

[alpine garden]

I like BS/DS on most bosses except Sylv really. It only feels clunky for that first garotte on opener

[torn atlas]

That's been fixed now btw

[edgy ginkgo]

Yeah i know, thats why i‘m thinking about switching back:)

[torn atlas]

Well worth imo. But of course each to their own. I actually improved in raid after switching back but that could be any number of things.

[dapper flint]

precast on 0.1 cast left of mass dispel onto boss

tanks have to move it to the edge a little, yes

there is a WA somewhere to show mass dispel castbar

helps alot

[gloomy rose]

is it reliable? I imagine I wiped the raid once and would be told not to do it again

[dapper flint]

pretty much, i hecked up once per day of wipes

its better than it sounds, i was sceptical too

[gloomy rose]

but that mass dispel cast time WA seems useful anyway, gonna check it out, thanks

[potent dagger]

Am i the only one that sims lower today than yesterday ? Oo

without any changes to stuff and spec Oo

[low grail]

Cool. Been using outlaw while progging Tuesday just because I like how ez it is to manage with a 50 yard Grappling hook. Should die tonight so I want to pump and dont want botch the whole thing with a bad shadowstep.

[plain thistle]

check #tc-updates

[potent dagger]

Thanks , that's a whooping 150 dps loss for me -_-

[alpine latch]

Eh, that's not bad

[plain thistle]

and its only on simulation, pretty sure it was already like that on live servers

not sure when they changed but wasnt yesterday

[glad siren]

hey all, did anyone notice to read a change to frost gems ? my hps was 1600 last week or two ago and now it's at 500-800 hps ( also i went from rank 3 to rank 4 so.. i thought it'd be bigger )

[limber lion]

hps?

We're no healers in here.

But no, nothing has changed in the live game regarding the gems.

[fallen arch]

Man wants his healing parses back

[glad siren]

lol

i like that it helps raid 😦

[narrow ravine]

wouldnt your hps flux based on if you are consuming the shields rather than letting them expire?

[glad siren]

well i tested it in lfr earlier .. and we all know how they like to get hit by everything

[jaunty kayak]

if r6 dashing sims a tad lower than r6 doomblade for me with r4 frost.. i guess it means 35(50)% aint high enough of crit for dashing to be more valuable.. right?

[frigid pilot]

It seems like to go dashing u need a ton of crit

[jaunty kayak]

cuz ive just acquired a r6 cloak .. and hesitating whether i should upgrade doom or craft dashing fully

[cobalt pelican]

it only takes 3 weeks to get an r6, you should be able to plan even a best case scenario for loot for the next 3 weeks and see what's better

but going either route is fine

[narrow ravine]

I think dashing will be on par with doom even at lower gear and has higher potential to scale once you do get better gear

its not a bad bet to start with dashing

[real bay]

dashing + frost's consistency is

[thin gate]

do i use CT in single target in m+?

[shadow tusk]

yes

outside shiv windows

[pliant token]

Can I sim which mythic gear to upgrade?

[thin gate]

aight, tyvm dank

@pliant token droptimizer

or gear comparance and look for the items

[pliant token]

I want to find out which gear from my bags I should upgrade with valorpoints

[whole pilot]

You could do that with premium by doing all dungeon droptimizer and sifting through it

But there's no way to do it for just items in your bag afaik

[fallen arch]

There is

By changing the ilvl one by one of the upgradable items in your inventory

Happy simming

[pliant token]

I did that but then the attributes stay the same tho

[whole pilot]

Oh well yes changing the string

[fallen arch]

Wdym?

[pliant token]

If I change ilvl in simc string, a 226 ilvl item has the same attributes like a 246. Or not?

[whole pilot]

Could just gear compare them i suppose as well

[fallen arch]

That shouldn’t be the case no

[alpine latch]

Sim a +12 Great Vault, which rewards 246 item value. ALSO (IMO), sim a +15 GV so you can see what's better to get from the GV than boosting. For example, there isn't that massive of a difference between a 246 and 252 Phial, but a 252 dagger is roughly 100 DPS more than a 246 dagger.

Your weapon is always your highest boost in terms of DPS from the Great Vault, trinkets are almost always your highest boost in terms of Valor upgrades

There are exceptions to this, obviously... but it's a good general rule to live by

[pliant token]

Thanks for this info, will do that 😄

[pallid valley]

whats the opener with master assassin talent on single target?

[slow marsh]

faq

sry

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[fallen arch]

Smart man

[alpine latch]

Every time I get a new item, I sim +12, +15, Normal, Heroic, and Mythic SoD. lol

I am valor capped. Haven't gotten a single item to spend it on yet 😦

[clever kindle]

I like to keep a bunch of rings and necks around to fix stat balances

[halcyon zealot]

yeah i hoard jewelry like it’s going out of style

[half tartan]

Anybody have a good winds of winter frost set weakaura

[potent dagger]

Is that so that Sub is winning the logs only beaucause of the Deathly bug ? Oo

On pure ST , there is a so so diff beetween the two specs :/

[narrow ravine]

id like to find a good crit heavy neck/rings cause mine are all haste heavy

[obsidian socket]

run SD/ sylvanas/ and remnant then and get lucky

[narrow ravine]

got a 239 salvaged fusion amp and it was a downgrade 😦

its fun only getting one drop all night and giving it away

[halcyon zealot]

gotta love it

[wide ridge]

plaguefall ring is crazy too

the arachnid one

[narrow ravine]

after getting phial I never want to see that dungeon again

[halcyon zealot]

wym now u need pox for ur outlaw set

[narrow ravine]

just going to hope its in the vault

[spice spire]

246 this week

From valor

Already upgraded the phial

[potent dagger]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[potent dagger]

!poison

!deadlypoison

[spice spire]

?

[potent dagger]

i'm looking for the deadly poison bug text

[gusty mirage]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[potent dagger]

thanks

[gusty mirage]

[copper pine]

Frost is simming lower but i see many ppl playing frost shards.

Its simming -300 dps

[potent dagger]

Depend on your gear and crit rating

[alpine latch]

I have nothing to compare it against, since I only have 3 Dom sockets. I went all in on Frost even before it got buffed

[spice spire]

Post sim! Maybe there are some differences you don’t have going!

[copper pine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rcJzECxub1VLDKxtEfwago unholy sim

and frost sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ipAB9xLqsXdwBS4aw1GCYS

[alpine latch]

Are these actually rank 1 gems? Frost scales pretty hard.

[copper pine]

No both rank 3

[alpine latch]

Frost really pops off around r4 and with a good bit of crit.

[spice spire]

Running it rn checking to make sure

[alpine latch]

Your crit seems quite low. You're running 8 items without crit on it

Frost is based around critical strike, so I can definitely see why it's simming so low

[copper pine]

Yes only 29 % crit

[alpine latch]

I'm going to assume (people are here are far smarter than me so they'll be able to help more) that your crit is a large part of why your sim is lower.

[astral plover]

I sim 24 dps more with Mutilate leggo over Scoundrel. would u still use scoundrel?

[alpine latch]

Personally, I despise Torghast so I'd keep using whatever I had if it's only 24 DPS difference, yeah.

[subtle otter]

hey guys, quick question, when playing the dashing scoundrel build with frost gems, is it still Eternal skirmish on chest and shadowcore oils + potion of phantom fire that is the best? or is AGI potion + sharpening stones and stats on chest the best?

[grizzled egret]

i looked at the top assa rogues and 90% of them are using sharpening stones and agi pots

[subtle otter]

do they run dashing leggo?

[grizzled egret]

most of them ye

[subtle otter]

oh, so they run stones even on ST?

[grizzled egret]

ye stones on both hand some use 1 stone 1 oil

[spice spire]

More than likely correct, still running sim to double check

[subtle otter]

thanks alot @grizzled egret

[grizzled egret]

btw some ppl said frost shards got nerfed is that true havnt seen anything about that

[balmy condor]

They were oversimming

Wasn’t nerfed

Nice infexious follow btw

[grizzled egret]

ahhh ok was a bit scared but still bis shards for assa right?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[grizzled egret]

perfect

i mean unholy shards r4 then frost got buffed now i got frost to r4 if they changed anything i would be pissed^^

[hollow river]

9.1.5 confirmed?

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rmRey2YcnaRZJmTf5F5qjM

That’s the culprit

[fleet anchor]

Difference between all consumables is less than 0.2%. Make sure you use something but I wouldn’t at all stress about what that something is.

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[balmy condor]

[fleet anchor]

I’ll use whatever potions I happen to have more herbs for. It really doesn’t matter at all.

[alpine latch]

Generally speaking, I use Agi in m+ and the other in raid ... But I'm also a potion clicker and I don't always swap the potion

So sometimes I wind up using agi in raid and not giving a shit

And I only use sharpening stones.

[gusty mirage]

imagine not trusting the oil command pastebin sims

[subtle gyro]

My bad for asking here, but..which server for Alliance is the best in terms of Raiding Prog. Im looking to transfer and find a new raiding home 🙂

[gusty mirage]

smh my head

[gusty mirage]

probably sargeras if I had to guess

[subtle gyro]

i was thinking that one or Stormrage. Im EST,

i was looking at Proudmoore, but thats west coast

[spice spire]

It’s sarg storm rage or proudmoore afaik

[alpine latch]

You can find EST guilds on Proudmoore and PST guilds on Stormrage/Sargeras.

Stormrage has 7 of the top 10 Alliance guilds in NA, Sargeras has 6, the rest are random.

https://raider.io/sanctum-of-domination/faction-realm-rankings/us/proudmoore/mythic/alliance

You can just swap out the server name and compare

[shy dust]

Storm rage or Sarg if NA

[subtle gyro]

Thinking Sarg...now to find a new Raid home 🙂

[chilly viper]

I think dalaran is decent too

and EST if im not mistaken

[subtle otter]

worth running crit food instead of agi when running frost set?

[timid coral]

can sim that

[chilly viper]

probably not tho

[harsh lantern]

think agi worth more

[kind talon]

i believe it depends on the profile

especially if you're thinking about

2 different feasts and shit

[cyan zinc]

does SBS give 3 CP if crit?

[kind talon]

if the target already has a spike

yes

[stoic bobcat]

On heroic sylvanas what legendary is prefered? I have frost T4 and %39 critic and I use dashing.

also I use EP and Vigor

[astral plover]

Can u get Sylv dagger from 4/4 Mythic dungeon chest?

[clever cargo]

u mean weekly vault? yes u can

[spice spire]

The weekly quest

4 mythics and you get a piece of gear from Heroic SoD

I’m not sure here honestly. people say yes but I’ve not seen it

[clever cargo]

well i got nzoth ring on bfa 😛 so i guess its possible

[spice spire]

[gleaming compass]

cant seem to find a sim of the best powers in the tarragrue fight?any hints?

[pseudo hamlet]

Do we have any Bleeds priority in M+?
Or should I go with garrote on CD on as many targets as possible, CT whenever it's going to fall off, try to Rupture everyone?

[halcyon zealot]

30% main stat no jump, erratic howler, tremorbeast heart, potent acid glands, huddled carvings,etc are a few of the better dps ones

[gleaming compass]

ty mate

[narrow ravine]

https://mythictrap.com/sanctumOfDomination/tarragrue half way down the page has a decent list of the best ones

starting at Weights

PTR stuff but ive not found a more up to date list

[peak bobcat]

Tarragrue doesn’t even count

[narrow ravine]

you take that back, my 97 parse means something! *sniff

means I got lucky

[cyan zinc]

mutilate > sbs during master assassin?

[halcyon zealot]

tarra doesn’t count for all stars, doesn’t mean it’s not fun to do a lot of damage

[kindred rapids]

I'm seeing a lot of people still using EP / vig with dashing

[harsh lantern]

feels good 😉

[kindred rapids]

BS / DS gains more with dashing than doomblade though

also don't even see most logs using BS / DS on guardian w/ dashing

where it should be optimal

[plain thistle]

yes

[harsh lantern]

more gain on .05 margin of error sim so maybe it’s just less optimal in game that’s my guess

Cevs pin prolly couldn’t explain it any better though

[winged basin]

What does your guys orb damage usually look like on mythic remnant?

They want everyone to increase their orb damage but this was with me predotting every orb

[balmy condor]

sin orb damage ain't great unless you're hard swapping and envenoming

[arctic walrus]

There is no way you need to worry about orbs as a rogue

With that comp

Esp after nerfs

[balmy condor]

yeh

[fiery mauve]

Zug zug boss

[winged basin]

I ss that and sent it to my RL and said I can no longer do orbs

poggies

[arctic walrus]

Like throw up bleeds on one sure

[winged basin]

Only on one?

[arctic walrus]

But anything more than that just ain’t efficient

[winged basin]

I was predotting every orb that came out

[spice spire]

I feel it’s a waste of time as they’re spread out

[winged basin]

OOF

[spice spire]

Less time punching something more time traveling kinda cring

[arctic walrus]

Usually just one imo, you lose a lot running around, and you want your step for dispel

[spice spire]

^

[winged basin]

Word thanks yo

[kindred rapids]

I wouldn't go crazy dotting them, but you can still hard swap to one after suffering

[odd python]

Does any1 had any problems with ninja pullling with serrated bonespike? I keep casting it on boss, even tho i dont lose any charges

[spice spire]

Haven’t had any issues with it

[pale plank]

Super low for me, I would only ruptured and one auto attack to poison for energy

[odd python]

Story goes like this: it is on some target, even when i am out of combat, my frost set crits healing and i ninja pull

need to heart out and back in again

[subtle otter]

how much do u guys pool energy for shiv? whats the breakpoint?

80 energy or more?

[fallen arch]

Max min 30

Approx

But only if you can still hit it on cd

[subtle otter]

max min 30? what do u mean?

[shadow tusk]

if cd is not on cd u dont pool

shiv*

[drowsy parcel]

@odd python someone had a similar problem earlier, he said it didnt happen anymore if he swapped out sudden fractures conduit

[flat pike]

is dashing scoundrel the best M+ leggo now instead of zoldyck?

[spice spire]

There’s no breakpoint but this is detailed in the pins. It’s a very minimal gain

[modest glen]

do you use deathly shadows pre-pull equipment macro thingy as assa?

[spice spire]

No

[late gulch]

any one mind sharing the macro for Shroud :D?

the one were you counting intill it ends in group 🙂

[subtle otter]

is it better to use 2 sylvanas hc daggers or just 1? Im thinking of the stats that u lose

[oak sky]

Sim it

[flat pike]

is dashing scoundrel the best M+ leggo now instead of zoldyck?

[oak sky]

Probably not but its definitely not bad or anything

Might be nice in some tyrannical keys

[flat pike]

thanks

top 2 players are using it figured it prolly good cause targets die so quick execute kinda useless

[split cipher]

I have a WA for this, I do not believe a macro can handle counting it

Should be an easy search on the wago rogue page

[oak sky]

Could be worth a try then

[flat pike]

kk

[oak sky]

No reason not to if you think you might like it

[late gulch]

oh it is a WA? I just thought it was a macro. am new to rogue 😄

[flat pike]

true

[wintry mica]

the afenar WA has it and is really good without really requiring any tweaking

[winged basin]

how are you guys avoiding damage from pools when shadowstepping for bomb on remnant?

you guys just feint before dispel?

[split cipher]

Where is your tank holding the boss?

[olive tendon]

Is there any reason why literally no one plays with Subterfuge on Soulrender Dormazain? 100% of top#200 play with Master Assassin and I think Subterfuge would be a little bit better on this fight.

[winged basin]

mid platform 90% of the time

[split cipher]

You're talking about shadowstepping into the pools and dying right after dispel right?

[winged basin]

ye

[split cipher]

I think that just comes down to where your mal targets are standing

If they're inside the boss hitbox when dispelled you're gonna ss into them

feinting doesn't hurt the 24k~ damage from the double dispel but I'd be careful using it everytime. You wanna save it for the 33k~ hit from shatter that sometimes comes right after a dispel

[balmy condor]

I doubt they’re using it in keys

[spice spire]

You can step mid air. You shouldn’t take pool damage?

[young pebble]

How do you guys time your CDs on Sylv? I find myself doing far worse on that fight than others and I think one of my problems is finding good opportunities for Vendetta and Flag particularly on phase 2

Heroic

[balmy condor]

The easy solution is don’t mass dispel when there’s pool

[balmy condor]

On cooldown on big adds

[spice spire]

GIGA brain play

I thought he meant pools that drop, not the blue pools

Yeah just time better dispels in that case

[young pebble]

So no Vendetta/Flag on Sylv herself at all in P2?

[rustic portal]

is there any sim or something that show how much dps+ a PI give?

[balmy condor]

You should easily have CDs for the first burn

Intermission is like 1:30 long

[balmy condor]

Pinned in #wow-general

[balmy condor]

Take it with a huge grain of salt though

Like an enormous grain of salt

World record holding salt grain

[rustic portal]

thanks

[waxen rover]

Hey all, could use some help with my play. I must be missing something to be parsing so low. appreciate any insight:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TkG8p6nb14rAjQx2#fight=28&type=damage-done&source=83

[kind talon]

you're playing blindside vigor poison bomb on soulrender

you should be playing elaborate planning vigor and crimson tempest

your unholy set is only rank 1

you're not nearly slamming shiv on cd

[spice spire]

You also missed a flag cast

[kind talon]

shiv is definitely the bigger issue but yes

you never garrote or ruptured an add

[waxen rover]

oof and that was one of my better bosses

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TkG8p6nb14rAjQx2#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=83

[spice spire]

Yeah of the 7200 you did 6700 to boss, you can pad on adds 😛

[spice spire]

Definitely fix talents, and you wasted quite a bit of energy on that fight. Your downtime can be kept to a minimum unless you have to hold dps for whatever reason

[kind talon]

^^ not to mention, dotting adds gives you a ton of energy regen as well :)))

[frigid pilot]

If you dotting up those adds that’s just free energy to pump more

[spice spire]

Try learning how to step to eye, it will definitely skip a TOOOOON wasted energy and downtime

[waxen rover]

so is there place for recommended talents by boss? I assume i shouldn't just follow the top talents based on wowhead?

[kind talon]

the wowhead talents are troll

blindside vigor is never going to be a recommended setup

idk why thats still there tbh

[frigid pilot]

If it’s pure ST you want BS/DS

[limber lion]

Just pull up the logs and copy whatever the top 10 are doing

[kind talon]

^^

[waxen rover]

fair enough

too bad, blindside is fun

[frigid pilot]

If there’s adds u wanna just do Ep/vigor and poison bomb or crimson

[spice spire]

You can run blindside with deeper strat. Problem with BS/vigor is that they’re conflicting with each other with gear above the 200s. You end up having too much energy and it creates some damage loss. BS/DS is a Fine combo to run if you really enjoy Blindside

[kind talon]

you can run blindside / deeper on guardian :)

and most other bosses if you dont mind being a bit innefficient

but if theres ever more than 1 target, EP vigor will pull ahead

[frigid pilot]

Imagine blindside deeper and crimson

[spice spire]

Only fights early on I can say I’m not a huge fan of BS/DS is soulrender and the nine

[kind talon]

ive played EP deeper

[frigid pilot]

I mean if ur haste is high I don’t see why u couldn’t play deeper right

[spice spire]

Rest it’s fine on

[kind talon]

i only played it cause i was necro on inerva

so it was actually not terrible

[waxen rover]

so with EP do you try to do anything different after getting the buff?

[kind talon]

you just play your rotation like normal :)

[frigid pilot]

Just save up enough energy in shiv to try and mutilate twice and envenom

To take advantage of that EP

[spice spire]

Most cursed build I tried out was on mythic SKS. Wanted to max burst so had the idea that BS/DS/CT was the play

It was not

[flat pike]

are you sure though, because shit dies so fast, execute barely has any effect

[spice spire]

Also Necro

[flat pike]

high keys people aoe the crap outta targets super quick lol

[balmy condor]

yes

I am

[kind talon]

that actually sounds fine

for sks

i played EP DS CT

on SKS

[spice spire]

Problem is, all bleeds had to be applied and up and energy regen actually took so long they constantly fell off. We had the aoe, just no burst

[flat pike]

so you're 100% sure that zoldyck still best for M+?

[spice spire]

That ended up being the best for our group

[kind talon]

idk

it worked very well for me

i was highest shield dmg

[frigid pilot]

@balmy condor are you 200% sure

[kind talon]

@spice spire also I’m pretty sure CT is better than PB for sks shields just because of the random nature

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

I was running it for a bit but got rlly annoyed cause no procs during the moments that mattered

[balmy condor]

would you like a notarized letter

[spice spire]

CT 100% was. BS/DS for burst just wasn’t 😛

[flat pike]

nah just asking if zoldyck still best or there's another better M+ one

[kind talon]

So I just swapped CT and made sure all bleeds were up before the big shield burst window

[balmy condor]

yes

it's zoldyck

[spice spire]

I would, ty

[frigid pilot]

That’s the problem with BS is that it’s RNG

[balmy condor]

@marble hemlock will tell you that as well

[kind talon]

Was referring to PB but yeah BS is annoying too

[frigid pilot]

The best thing in mythic plus for assass is to switch to sub

[spice spire]

It’s really normalized outside of giga unluckers. That’s not the reason I wouldn’t run it.

[kind talon]

Yeah 100% EP is very very strong for burst

[obtuse robin]

wat does this mean

[kind talon]

Sun king from CN

Cloak of flames ability

[marble hemlock]

i was summoned

[balmy condor]

dashing vs zold in keys

[marble hemlock]

zoldyck

[obtuse robin]

ok but if casting ct is the same thing as not casting it why would that matter

[balmy condor]

ty

[kind talon]

Zold vs Obe?

[obtuse robin]

in st

[spice spire]

King

[marble hemlock]

always zoldyck

in m+

[frigid pilot]

It’s good, I just like the idea of someone just getting shit luck on procs

[marble hemlock]

theres no other answer

[kind talon]

Pogger

[kind talon]

What

Young man ct is a bleed

[spice spire]

+5% envenom prep for shields

[kind talon]

It’s extra damage for the shields

On sks

[spice spire]

And yeah just bleed 😛

[obtuse robin]

wasnt there a whole disscussion on how casting ct is the same outcome as not casting it

atm

in st

[spice spire]

I can think of one time specifically out of the long listed logs I’ve read with where I was like, damn. BS really fucked this person.

[kind talon]

….

We are talking about sks

From last tier

[obtuse robin]

yea for the shield

its st

[kind talon]

But if you’re talking about overall damage yes

[spice spire]

Specifically one fight, 10s burst window

Not even 10s

[limber lion]

Ya'll are crazy

[kind talon]

It was like 5? Idk

[obtuse robin]

lol

[runic maple]

question for u guys who have done nerzul on mythic, if we are the ones going far for the push mechanic, we shadowstep the boss right? do u use a countdown WA to time it right?

[obtuse robin]

always ss

[limber lion]

I shadowstep a player, it's more safe. Using a Mass Dispell weakaura

[obtuse robin]

far or in

[runic maple]

yh I always do it in, was outside for the first time and I shadowstepped prolly a sec too late lel

I guess its just something that gets better with more tries

[obtuse robin]

i have quick desions at 252 and in the empowered slot so i never miss a ss on that fight

[runic maple]

tried to ss the boss tho

[frigid pilot]

Is anyone else’s guild working on mythic but can’t kill sylvanas

[bronze fiber]

You can kill the first boss easy on mythic

[obtuse robin]

there is one paticular rogue in here in with that problem

[kind talon]

heroic?

[frigid pilot]

Yes

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[runic maple]

ye, first boss on mythic is free

[frigid pilot]

Heroic

[kind talon]

many guilds are at that point

yes

the first 3 mythic bosses are very easy

[frigid pilot]

It just makes me a very sad rogue

[kind talon]

so there are a ton of 9/10 H 3/10 M guilds

[frigid pilot]

Cuz I want my daggies

[obtuse robin]

i was suprised by how easy nine was

[kind talon]

then find a new guild

[obtuse robin]

took my guild 6 pulls

[bronze fiber]

Yeah eye is the hardest of the three I think

[runic maple]

We got nine down on 4th pull or something lol

[kind talon]

the nine is literally the same boss

so annoying

[frigid pilot]

Guild is about friendship and talking shit about their parses

[runic maple]

and the first 3 pulls wiped at 70% hp

[kind talon]

the eye is also very stupid mechanically

[obtuse robin]

cloak every fragments

[kind talon]

cant cloak every one

its like 1 minute apart

[obtuse robin]

and run the kick cd for cloak

[kind talon]

can cloak every other

[spice spire]

Every other about ye

[kind talon]

or just dont get chosen

[obtuse robin]

run the kick cd conduit and try to get every kick when its up

and parse ur heart out

[frigid pilot]

Is there any reason i parse purple but low for my ilvl

Is that a shard thing

Or am I just garbage

[kind talon]

wdym

[hollow river]

No that’s weird kinda lol

[subtle tundra]

ilvl parse means nothing

[kind talon]

purple overall parses but low ilvl parses?

[frigid pilot]

He’s

*yes

[limber lion]

Don't look at ilvl parses.

[kind talon]

idk ilvl parses are dumb

too many factors go into that

[limber lion]

I parse 99's but sometimes my ilvl parse is like a 70

Doesn't mean anything.

[frigid pilot]

I always wondered if I should even look at that

[kind talon]

like some ppl have dbl sylv daggers but are still same ilvl

[limber lion]

No, you should not.

[violet jackal]

if your Ilvl is around 240+ your being compared to mythic raiders best to not worry about ilvl parse

[oak sky]

if you have higher gear than the avg person doing the fight your ilvl parse will probably be lower

[hollow river]

[frigid pilot]

Yeah im 245

Thank you guys for making me feel better

[kind talon]

@limber lion should i swap sin

if i get a dagger

[oak sky]

N

[kind talon]

??????

[oak sky]

stay in your lane bitch

[frigid pilot]

Yes

[oak sky]

jk ❤️

[kind talon]

id fuck u up agreonchizus

[oak sky]

play sub

[frigid pilot]

I love sin

[oak sky]

go venthyr

blast keys

[limber lion]

Sin gains the least from the dagger

Unless you meant a dagger in general

[kind talon]

nah i mean a 252 dagger

ye

[limber lion]

Yeh, go for it

[kind talon]

sick been thinking about swapping venthyr

[oak sky]

dekaichinpo gone kyrian

[frigid pilot]

Why does sin gain the least from sylv daggie

[oak sky]

except

🙂

[kind talon]

oh

maybe i should swap necro

could be cool

[oak sky]

yeah

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

you should

[obtuse robin]

is there a dummy where u can hit for execute?

[limber lion]

It just does. We spend the least amount of CP and don't have anything buffing the effect

[kind talon]

but then i wouldnt craft obedience

😢

[oak sky]

u dont need it

[kind talon]

and i couldnt play sub too 😢

[frigid pilot]

It’s shadow dmg?

[limber lion]

Yes

[kind talon]

yeah its shadow

[oak sky]

necro sub isnt even that bad in keys

[kind talon]

its buffed by the sub conduit

[kind talon]

[frigid pilot]

Fucking sub rogues and their shit

[kind talon]

ye sub rogues are on mad borrowed power rn

[oak sky]

mad tuning

tbh

[kind talon]

blood link is shadow damage too

btw

[frigid pilot]

How about it does some nature dmg instead huh blizzard

[kind talon]

[frigid pilot]

Oh forreal

That’s SO COOL BRO

[kind talon]

wouldnt matter cause sin's shit is all whitelisted

from everything pmuch

[oak sky]

haha phial does nature

sorry

not affected by shiv

[frigid pilot]

Rip

[oak sky]

that random korthia trinket?

no doomblade increase

[frigid pilot]

They really don’t want sin to succeed

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[obtuse robin]

!pb

[kind talon]

well yeah

[obtuse robin]

oh right

[oak sky]

sub? deeper daggers increases flag and daggy damage

[obtuse robin]

that 2

[kind talon]

everything sin has is whitelisted

EP as well

[oak sky]

sin is good though

[modest glen]

How do the 3 specs compare now for st?

[kind talon]

yeah sin is great rn

[kind talon]

they are like equal

pretty much exactly the same

[modest glen]

Perfect

[frigid pilot]

Sin is good, sub is just a lil better

[kind talon]

nah not even

[obtuse robin]

they not the same tho

[oak sky]

i mean they are

[kind talon]

they are tho

[oak sky]

literally look at guardian logs

plenty of sins up there

[modest glen]

I’ll just craft dashing and upgrade frost then i guess

[winged basin]

sub is kinda running the raid, but there is a healthy mix.

[obtuse robin]

so since when do we not mean max gear when comparing dmg

lol

[frigid pilot]

Dashing isn’t always the best for frost summit

Simmit

[oak sky]

i mean everyone should have similar levels of gear rn

[kind talon]

when prog is a thing

[oak sky]

no reason to not assume current shit won't extrapolate

unless you like scaling?

[obtuse robin]

so we either talk in circles when not everyone has the same gear or we go by the sims that ppl have put work into

[kind talon]

why would sylv daggers matter if ur progging mythic without sylv daggers

[kind talon]

even in those sims all 3 specs are basically equal

in between 12000 and 13000

[obtuse robin]

if 1k dps diff is the same then im done

ya go ahead

[kind talon]

its literally 40

and outlaw profile hasnt been updated since frost stuff was exposed

so idk shit about the outlaw sims atm, but from current sims i would expect them to be roughly equal

[oak sky]

please go necro

[kind talon]

wait

[frigid pilot]

I can’t wait to have to build a dashing

[kind talon]

kyrian dashing frost?

[frigid pilot]

We need to look deeper

[oak sky]

wait

are you still raiding as outlaw if you play sin

[frigid pilot]

Zoom enhance

[oak sky]

or just m+?

[obtuse robin]

ok so

for more unpdated stuff

[true abyss]

I'm simming about 7k dps atm with assasination necro and 229 ilvl, trying to work if thats good or not? Lol

[obtuse robin]

that is quite the same tho

[kind talon]

which spec is this?

[obtuse robin]

sorrry wait

[kind talon]

ya

[frigid pilot]

Do u have shard sets

[kind talon]

i wouldnt steer u wrong @obtuse robin

i promise

[obtuse robin]

just need updated outlaw stuff

[dawn ivy]

subtlety was fun while it lasted i guess

[true abyss]

Yep I have the unholy remnant helm with 3 unholy shard bonus

[kind talon]

i know what im talking about

[kind talon]

[frigid pilot]

Then yeah that’s good for ur ilvl

[frigid pilot]

Go frost

[obtuse robin]

did someone say go necro

[oak sky]

yeah

[kind talon]

ye agreon wants me to go necro

[oak sky]

talking to decaf specifically

[true abyss]

Okay cool, I just see people do so much more so was just curious I'm assuming they are much higher ilvl

[oak sky]

because he plays outlaw

[kind talon]

i mean

kyrian is better for outlaw

[oak sky]

yeah

[fallen arch]

Yes they are

[oak sky]

but if you want to go sin as well

[obtuse robin]

necro no thx

[dawn ivy]

i spec swapped to sin on final day of sylvanas prog and had 0 issues. almost annoying how easy it is to slot sin into a fight

[kind talon]

bro

sin rogue

kyrian

[oak sky]

probably kyrian dashing frost does more damage on like 3 bosses

[frigid pilot]

I’m doing like 9k 245 ST

[true abyss]

Yeah okay. Good to know, what trinkets are you running and what main stats?

[obtuse robin]

wat am i missing with kyrian 350 dps loss for what? mor fun gameplay?

[oak sky]

hes not a sin main

[obtuse robin]

better in keys?

[kind talon]

i play outlaw

[obtuse robin]

oh

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

even if he went sin for raid its not like an outlaw main wants to abandon outlaw

[fallen arch]

Thats not a lot for 245 ilvl just saying

[obtuse robin]

well he said sin so jumped on that

[kind talon]

ye but like

idk

[oak sky]

i wouldnt tell a pure sin to go necro this tier

[kind talon]

how is kyrian sin doing well in sims now

so weir

d

[oak sky]

dashing build big envenom dam ?

[kind talon]

bro idfk

[frigid pilot]

40% crit 18% haste and like 20% mastery or something 246 phial and 252 totem trinket from DOS

[kind talon]

crazy stuff

[obtuse robin]

245 9k dps ? link ur sim

[oak sky]

yeah i sim over 9k and im 242

[dawn ivy]

maybe doesnt have a set yet

[fallen arch]

Or super bad weapons?

[kind talon]

suwuper bad

[oak sky]

no set would be lower i think

[frigid pilot]

I’m switching to frost rn

[dawn ivy]

swooper bad

[obtuse robin]

226 to 252 is like 250 dps or something

wheres the rest

[fallen arch]

Idk

[true abyss]

Yeah link your sim or armory haha I wanna sus 🙂

[frigid pilot]

It’s like 9.7

[kind talon]

https://tenor.com/view/wooper-snek-pog-swag-swagness-gif-19534272

[obtuse robin]

oh

[kind talon]

thats like 700 higher than 9k

kekw

[obtuse robin]

a bad wep would do it then

[fallen arch]

Why u said 9

[frigid pilot]

Cuz I’m walking and lazy

[dawn ivy]

yeah 9.7 sounds accurate, probably just badly optimized

[oak sky]

new nightborne visuals

[fallen arch]

9.7 sounds about right if you have low rank frost

[true abyss]

Is it okay to run 2 Edge of Night daggers? I manage to get 1 from vault and one from sylvannas last night haha

[kind talon]

is there any better feeling than this

:)

[dawn ivy]

yeah, having an edge of night

[kind talon]

shutup

[dawn ivy]

LOL

[fallen arch]

Both mythic? Then yes

Otherwise no

[obtuse robin]

if they r both heroic and u have atleast r4 frost and high crit maybe

[dawn ivy]

still not a single dagger from every available source for me

[obtuse robin]

with bs/ds

[true abyss]

Both 233 for now but they were both upgrades, what should I change?

[drowsy parcel]

me too man

[obtuse robin]

upgrade from what

[drowsy parcel]

252 equipped with 2x 246 daggers

[flat pike]

you guys crimson tempest on single target when not shiv window right?

[dawn ivy]

GRANTED, ive gotten a 252 dagger from m+

[fallen arch]

Get a 252 out of vault for main hand

[obtuse robin]

those daggers have no stats on them

[oak sky]

if you have a better dagger slot that in mainhand with the dagger offhand @true abyss

[true abyss]

Well I mean i'll try lol

[hollow river]

I do mythic remnant for the first time tonight boys

[oak sky]

@flat pike when you dont have dashing yeah

[hollow river]

Wish me luck

[fallen arch]

Gl

[oak sky]

good luck

[hollow river]

Why only first

[hollow river]

Feint

[obtuse robin]

trust

[true abyss]

Anyone have a rotation pattern they can share or link with clear rotations for raid vs keys?

[flat pike]

thanks

[frigid pilot]

I’m posting my sim in a second for u guys

[fallen arch]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[oak sky]

the content we all needed

[obtuse robin]

sometimes i cloak malevance and it doesnt work

[true abyss]

I feel like with rotations, 1 mistake and boom, you lose so much DPS

[fallen arch]

Nope

[dawn ivy]

for sin? not at all

[fallen arch]

Not for sin

[obtuse robin]

i mean i press cloak and i have it and the knockback hits me when cloak is still up

[frigid pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/P6EDAwboDbzVyJtNM2JX6

[obtuse robin]

so yea

[hollow river]

Read the tooltip

Of cloak

[obtuse robin]

k?

[hollow river]

You’re only immune to the knock back for the first second of cloak

[obtuse robin]

u dont get that from the tooltip at all

[hollow river]

O.o?

[ruby mantle]

hey guys, new to rogue and I'm jumping between asssin and sub, I haven't crafted a legendary as yet. is there any recommendations on what I should do there? (i'm necro, content i'm focusing on is really just m+)

[halcyon zealot]

yeah cloak has super immune for first 0.5 seconds

that’s only time it’ll immune knockback

[dawn ivy]

@ruby mantle if youre necro, go sin

[obtuse robin]

so

the question ow is

[frigid pilot]

@snow crag I would I’m just on my phone lmao

That’s how I sim always die

*doe

[obtuse robin]

is there a weakaura that tells me when someone is casting md

[kind talon]

ye i gotchu

sec

[hollow river]

I get that from the tool tip

Idk

[kind talon]

https://wago.io/CrwNCtWEH

[hollow river]

I know it’s not worded the best

[obtuse robin]

wat rank is ur frost 2?

[kind talon]

yeah i just wish they specified the first 0.5 seconds

its annoying

[oak sky]

its the frost rank

[kind talon]

wow has such shit tooltips

[oak sky]

has to be

[frigid pilot]

@obtuse robin it’s desolate until next week

Or whatever