#assassination

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wanton creek
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I enjoy both but I’m still very new to the class tbh

peak bobcat
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Very minimal difference in performance

winged basin
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Ye ofc, I always will. I enjoy Sin more, but I like to argue

obtuse robin
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so its not ur guilds fault its urs

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lol jk

winged basin
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I don’t speak during raid

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What I do after raid is different + this mf an officer who don’t enchant his gear before he come to raid

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Then brings his 215 alt in for us to gear through heroic with no enchants

peak bobcat
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Warlock st is pretty average unless they get externals

winged basin
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Well the arguement was Demo in a perfect scenario is the absolute HIGHEST st in the game

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and I made the argument that sub was pretty damn close if not over them in a pure ST encounter no movement

cobalt pelican
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perfect scenario varies spec to spec

winged basin
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Ye

alpine latch
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"Perfect" for demo is spread 2T cleave though

dull cloak
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aksually....outlaw is the highest ST in the game under perfect conditions

hollow river
alpine latch
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Oh shit, right

peak bobcat
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Warlock st is pretty average unless they get externals

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Fuck warlocks

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Daggers for life

hollow river
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Warlocks can wield daggers

woeful meteor
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!defensives

hollow river
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!def

prisma monolithBOT
woeful meteor
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thx

rancid basin
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so i cannot get raidbots to sim my frost shards higher than my unholy shards am i doing something wrong ?

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or is it just not capable of picking up set bonuses from SoD etc

winged kindle
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Check if your “replace existing gem/enchants” is enabled

rancid basin
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screen just locks up when i do that

hollow river
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You kinda need premium raidbots

plain thistle
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unselect normal gems if you have taht selected

hollow river
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For some shard sims

rancid basin
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ah ok

hollow river
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Depending on everything you’ve e selected

rancid basin
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yeah looksl ike too many combos

plain thistle
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because if you do have everything selected it will freeze the raidbots tab because of the number of iterations

hollow river
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Deselect everything else

rancid basin
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ty!

harsh lantern
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can you play sub with frost set or is better to use blood

hollow river
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Are you ONLY playing sub?

harsh lantern
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no

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sin atm

hollow river
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You can play any spec with any set

harsh lantern
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onto mythic 3/10 now just wanna know if i should stick with what i got

hollow river
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Blood is just ahead by a bit for sub at lower gear levels. (Usually anything under 250-252 ilvl blood is better for sub)

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Frost isn’t “bad” for sub

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It’s very good for outlaw/sin

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And best for sub at high gear lvls

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250-252+

harsh lantern
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Ive kinda dumped like everything into frost sin

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im only 238 equip

hollow river
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I play frost sub

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On some fights

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Only upgraded frost

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It’s just off spec for me so

harsh lantern
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this is from mythic eye tho last night

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doing good dmg

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just dont know if its going to get harder to do the same numbers later in raid

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these bosses seem easy for the start

hollow river
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Nah

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Painsmith and sylvanas can be hard to keep high numbers

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Because if intermissions

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And KT can be weird overall dps if you go to the phylactory

harsh lantern
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Id imagine i will if we make even make it there XD

narrow ravine
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my raid calls it the butt, get in the butt

harsh lantern
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thrall guilds a little behind if ur not in the top 3

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front page 3/10m lol

hollow river
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Same but I’m on a tiny server

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In a 4/10 guild

harsh lantern
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i dont mind its cool i did the same last tier only made it 8/10 before i quit in like january

oak sky
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dude i thought that was 18k for a second

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i was like holy fuck

hollow river
oak sky
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lmao

harsh lantern
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ah yeah XD im so used to that now

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you guys switch to sub for M+ or do you stay sin

hollow river
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A little bit of both for me until I get a good sword for outlaw again

harsh lantern
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yeah i only really do 15s seems easier to blast on sub

oak sky
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i play sin but if i did higher keys i would swap

harsh lantern
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makes sense

oak sky
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i kinda want to try to get 20s as sin by the end of the season

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but if i was gonna go past there i would play sub or outlaw

hollow river
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I wanna try 20s period this season

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New guild actually runs 19s and stuff hopefully I pass this trial

oak sky
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thats sick

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ive only done like 17s rn

hollow river
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I’ve done 16s

oak sky
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but i think with more gear and experience i can get higher

hollow river
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Same

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Really want to alt enhance/ele

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Blast them keys

oak sky
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ive tried ele

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planning on doing a monk alt if i have time though

lost hamlet
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!oil

prisma monolithBOT
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Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

hollow river
oak sky
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yeah

hollow river
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Who knows

quasi grotto
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whats the trick with shadow stepping on remnant?

hollow river
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Can’t shadowstep if you character has gone over the edge of platform

thorny pond
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As the dispel goes out you rip step

rocky rain
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blindside or EP for sylvanas?

oak sky
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ep

rocky rain
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EP with no execute?

oak sky
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yeah

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also theres multi target in p2 which makes ep vigor good

rocky rain
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👍

thorny pond
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Also, Sylvanas has no blind sides, she is the greatest warrior azeroth has ever seen, so blindside is useless

rocky rain
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lol true

runic maple
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is it true that if two rogues use sylvanas dagger, only 1 can benefit from its effect? I remember reading something along these lines a month ago or something

thorny pond
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p sure that was fixed

runic maple
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thank god

thorny pond
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you guild is blessed enough to have multiple daggers?

runic maple
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nah, but we're 2 rogues in the raiding team

late birch
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People who play necro before you enter Vanish envenom burst, is it fine to start on 3 CP , because sometimes in not too lucky on procs

runic maple
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wld be rly demotivating if that was the case

late birch
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that way I can use 2 SBS during that crit buff as well

spice spire
thorny pond
runic maple
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I have yet to see one being dropped

thorny pond
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I ain't seen one

spice spire
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You might overcap on seal fate but it’s better than finishing on 3CP

spice spire
oak sky
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i havent seen one either

thorny pond
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6N/5H. I have seen 6 bows and zero daggers

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2 bows off one kill actually

oak sky
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im 6N 1H and i saw a bow my first normal kill

spice spire
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Looted one, sold it

oak sky
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lol

spice spire
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And got my first from the vault

thorny pond
spice spire
thorny pond
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All these players in my guild think they got my number, pssshhh I just don't have gear

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Don't pull my gear plz

oak sky
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undergeared copium

thorny pond
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sweats in 247

oak sky
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241, no mythic guild kekw

thorny pond
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I built this engine with my own two hands. Also glad I don't use same gear as ferals

oak sky
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lmao

icy dock
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can shards drop in lfr

thorny pond
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I assume so, I got one LFR week 1

oak sky
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you can only loot 1 for each boss though

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so if you loot one in normal on painsmith or something you cant get another one from lfr painsmith

thorny pond
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Right

spice spire
oak sky
narrow ravine
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just a single chance per boss to get a shard, regardless on the difficulty

lethal zodiac
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So i have a problem I rerolld rogue for 9.1 and I wanted to craft dashing soon but I noticed this Drops of council so I queued for lfr for 3 1/2 hr and had no Pop lfg was sod only so how do I obtain dashing now 😅 ?

balmy condor
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You would either queue lfr or pug it

oak sky
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they really just didnt have them drop in the new raid

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multi dollar company

narrow ravine
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there is some item later you can buy to give you a random legendary you dont have, but that is RNG as hell

lethal zodiac
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Ye I tried to get into lfr for almost 4 hrs

narrow ravine
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just stick to your LFR queue

lethal zodiac
narrow ravine
hollow river
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Dang that’s actually kinda sad

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So every classes who’s leggo drops from CN is basically screwed

narrow ravine
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unless you have been doing all those dalies had have a ton of grateful offering to spend

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I just sat in LFR queue for hours to get finality so I could try out sub a bit

hollow river
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I guess I got@lucky and got all my rogue ones

delicate berry
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Sorry if i missed it somewhere but is there a target % of Crit where Dashing starts to outpace OBD legendary?

narrow ravine
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I was a healer main in 9.0, switched in 9.1 to rogue so was missing a ton of stuff

hollow river
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Luckily I think enh/ele shaman ones drop from dungeons and world bosses :/

balmy condor
delicate berry
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just not sure which one to craft going back and forth as i gear up (yes i know the right answer is craft both! and Sim!) but time and resources are restricting how fast that can happen so sticking to one for now

narrow ravine
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take the safe choice first, branch out later

delicate berry
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is the safe choice OBD

narrow ravine
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doomblade or obed if you are venthyr are fairly safe bets

delicate berry
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yea im Venthyr atm

balmy condor
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If you’re doing keys with obedience, that would be the choice

narrow ravine
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make your second or 3rd legendary dashing once you have extra

balmy condor
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If you’re not doing keys with obedience and only raiding sin, go dashing

delicate berry
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starting to do both M+ and raiding but raiding more at the forefront

wintry mica
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you can also just farm enough ash for a rank 4 pretty easily

harsh anchor
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I find it fairly difficult to get dashing to be a meaningful increase over DB as necrolord. Is that somewhat correct in my assumption that necro just ain't being friends with dashing atm?

delicate berry
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since M= has been hard to get into

narrow ravine
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the difference between 262 and 235 legendaries are often quite small

compact sky
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venthyr makes up for a lot of the haste u need to make frotst/crit/dashing build work

narrow ravine
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just stats and very few stats at that

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sim yourself with 235 and 262 versions to see

delicate berry
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thanks i just crafted the dashing and see how it rolls

narrow ravine
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you can transfer a lot of soul ash from your alts to your rogue if you need more

delicate berry
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maining 3 atm

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#nolifeitseems

hollow river
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Dashing was barely behind doomblade before frost, idk about Obedience

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But dashing ain’t a bad choice IMO

wintry mica
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yea all my alts are now mostly soul ash bots for my two actualy characters

snow arch
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so doomblade puts a small dot on the target that can crit, which adds to the frost set crit threshold... basically the more abilities that can crit, the better, right?

hollow river
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Dashing scoundrel is usually better for frost

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At high gear levels. Depending on covenant somewhat as well

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But in theory the answer is yes, and doomblade isn’t bad with frost. But still can depend a lot on gear/cov

alpine latch
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I went with Obe since it's good for m+ also

hollow river
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I was just giving a general answer to their question.

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With the stipulations etc.

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Pretty sure the more gear you get the wider the gap becomes between dashing and other leggos when running Venthyr frost.

delicate berry
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Which frost shards should I be aiming for

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I'm sure cor is one

balmy condor
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You need all 3 for the set

delicate berry
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Dunno why but was thinking there was more than 3

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Lol

balmy condor
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Nop

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3 of each color

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1 dps gem per color

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Well, you could count unholy as 2

cerulean nest
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at the juncture again where I cant decide whether to invest in dashing or sub+obe

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this old crossroads

delicate berry
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I've always been sin never anything else

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I tend to play and stay with a spec

gusty mirage
gloomy rose
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I just simmed my necro with frost set and bs + ds + dashing is 1 dps over vigor + ep + doomblade

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which is nice, at least I still dont need to change anything peepohappy

cerulean nest
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gotta be smart

frigid kestrel
celest marlin
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r6 is so freekin expensive tho

cerulean nest
cerulean nest
placid pagoda
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Why is assa being ranked so far bewlow outlaw : sub now - is it set bonus etc buffing the others?

cerulean nest
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yes

oblique jackal
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The daggers from Slyvanas help sub a lot

placid pagoda
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Yeah I imagine

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Sad to see but good to@see rogue specs strong

oblique jackal
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yeah i agree. Haste is prob the only thing that can really make sin overall better. like 8.3 type of haste numbers

oak sky
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or just tuning

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which wouldnt be needed

placid pagoda
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Holy shit been farming phial for months on my rogue but it’s just dropped on my alt warrior

narrow ravine
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got mine to drop last night

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keep at it

kind turtle
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at what Crit% does Winds of Winter get good for raid encounters? I'm at around 18% crit and it only ever accounts for 5-8%ish of my damage per fight

oak sky
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sim it

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probably a lot more than 18% though

narrow ravine
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keep adding more and more crit gear until you see the numbers you want to see?

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I run 35% crit myself, until I can find new rings

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so haste heavy my rings

oak sky
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1 haste ring is probably still good

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but

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sim always prayge

narrow ravine
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59 crit 178 haste 😦

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its a bit much

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98 crit 138 haste is a little better

oak sky
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probably depends on your full gear

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but yeah for sure

jolly comet
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is it the play with dashing to just fuck all other stats as long as you are boosting crit? i could possibly get some crit/NOT haste stuff but wondering how advantageous that is. im hovering around 38-40% crit atm

thorny pond
thorny pond
obtuse robin
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haste to increase frost dmg

gusty mirage
oak sky
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hes almost lost it

placid pagoda
cerulean nest
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am I simming this wrong? why is it only changing one shard per iteration?

gloomy fern
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im guessing u only clicked the frost gem in top gear

wispy night
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Did you check

gloomy fern
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and not the others

wispy night
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Did you check "replace existing?"

cerulean nest
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oop I did not

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didnt know that referred to shards too

wispy night
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Its everything and double check the Bonus at bottom

narrow ravine
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also pick all 5 gems not just one, or it will sim with only the ones you clicked

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leaving some slots empty

cerulean nest
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yeah got those all checked, should be good now

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ah thats better

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wow my unholy sub and frost sin are 6dps apart right now lmao

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and at rank 5 frost sin pulls ahead of sub

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interesting

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granted i dont have sylv daggers yet

limber lion
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I can't wait to have r5 frost and a mythic dagger

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and be done with korthia

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oh boy

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the joy

cerulean nest
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lol

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imagine grinding korthia

narrow ravine
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everytime you upgrade gear you gotta buy another socket, they wont let us stop farming korthia

drifting cloud
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imagine imagining

frigid kestrel
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Welp, I’m waiting to see some heroic Sylv daggers and a 252 Phial in my weekly chest so I can be mad at the choice I’ll have to make.

zinc frost
frigid kestrel
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I don’t know how many times I can pug heroic Sylv ok Alliance and stay sane

delicate berry
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Are daggers 🗡 lacking this expac

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Lol

frigid kestrel
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Like, people legit suck. Fights scripted af

delicate berry
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I feel like they are non existent

frigid kestrel
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really wish my guild didn’t break apart. Now I’m a free agent on a dead faction

arctic hare
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It happens to most guilds it seems

balmy condor
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You can grind one from m+ pretty quickly and valor it up to 246

delicate berry
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Never see them outside of my mission table

frigid kestrel
arctic hare
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Heyyy, i have a Sanguine 14, welp, guess I’m doin that tonight

delicate berry
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Though blizz gives me swords all the time as sin

arctic hare
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How?

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You’re sin, swords aren’t included in your loot spec

spice spire
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Actually impossible lol

quasi ledge
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Meh, 10-20 runs per week so far and never had a M+ dagger drop or from vault. Got decently lucky with a heroic and normal Sylv dagger though :p

arctic hare
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Eluc

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Epic

frigid kestrel
arctic hare
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True

frigid kestrel
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I’m that case he’s made a huge goof

arctic hare
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But why would ya do dat?

balmy condor
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Well

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If he’s in outlaw loot spec

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Then he’s not getting daggers

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Ever

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So makes sense

potent rune
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you are prolly specced sin but your loot speced is outlaw, better chaneg that up

spice spire
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Yeah that’s what I mean as long as he’s in spec which if he doesn’t know why I’m not sure how he’d be there

arctic hare
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I’ve gotten one dagger lately

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It was a 210, but the valor cost for the weapons are absolutely ridiculous

frigid kestrel
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@balmy condor so you just gone repeat what I said

balmy condor
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Hm?

delicate berry
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It's wq

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I was getting them

ruby oyster
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Can you get sylv dagger from that next weekly heroic box?

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Or any kt/sylv loot

thorny pond
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If you killed them once yes

balmy condor
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If you’ve killed them once yeh

thorny pond
ruby oyster
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Cool, thanks

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What would happen if you had no raid kills tho xd? No loot In the box or just limited to first 8 bosses?

thorny pond
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So once you kill the boss it counts forever

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But you still have to meet the box requirements to get the slots on Tuesday

arctic hare
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So if you’ve killed them once, only once ever, any vault reward you get from then on you can get their rewards? Or do you still have to kill them every week

balmy condor
arctic hare
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Oh

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Crap

ruby oyster
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I'm not talking about the vault tho

balmy condor
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What?

thorny pond
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Like if you get zero kills then zero vault

balmy condor
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Yeh

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If you don’t get loot you can’t get loot

ruby oyster
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There is weekly q next reset, 4 mythic completed and you get heroic raid box

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Mythic dungeons

thorny pond
balmy condor
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Follows the same rules

ruby oyster
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Ok

oak sky
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definitely getting a sylvanas dagger from the quest copium

thorny pond
balmy condor
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For sure COPIUM

thorny pond
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With that guys swords

oak sky
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lmaoo

ruby oyster
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Im for sure 😥

oak sky
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i would take the kt shoulders

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or really anything off sylvanas

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raid hands

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all of those are good really

thorny pond
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4 mythic dungeons at least forces us to get out vault out of the way

balmy condor
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Not doing 10

thorny pond
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Hell no

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4

oak sky
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i did 4 this week

frigid kestrel
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10 or bust

balmy condor
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Not doing best content in the game

thorny pond
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I did ten once and took the currency

balmy condor
oak sky
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i was pugging h sylv the first half of the week

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guild wasnt gonna get it until saturday and i was gonna miss saturday

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or i should say

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they definitely werent getting it friday

kind talon
oak sky
kind talon
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last weeky?

thorny pond
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The weekly

kind talon
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oh

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next week

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ye

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POGg

oak sky
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theres so many good pieces

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and so many of them have crit

thorny pond
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3 chances at disappointment this week

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Hell ya

oak sky
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im hungry for some of that

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frost is on the cusp of simming higher

thorny pond
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Thanks for the 9 ring and soulrender boots

kind talon
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disappoint these nuts

thorny pond
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I’ll blue ball ya

oak sky
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im definitely getting something good

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100%

thorny pond
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I’m done with optimism

oak sky
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yeah

strange python
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What happened to ceverion?

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His name in the pin is white

thorny pond
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You are lagging

strange python
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Ah

nocturne geode
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anyone tried the kyrian lego in m+ is it fun?

gusty mirage
thorny pond
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Very... dashing... of you oxi

gusty mirage
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How ironic you say that my friend

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because

thorny pond
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I see you are also a man of culture

wanton path
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do you hold guardian trinket for vendetta or use on cd?

gusty mirage
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on cd

latent stream
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on cd

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Vendetta only works for rogue spells

gusty mirage
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^

wanton path
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yeh was thinking more attacks but ven doesnt affect haste ofc

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ty

indigo totem
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@gusty mirage my Crow brain has me saving for an obedience cloak after I just made my dashing. "One of us... One of us..."

hollow river
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mentally

soft shale
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i also wanna make dashing crit set seems juicy

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now if only pesky sylvanas drops items

mystic osprey
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Hey friends. Does shard of Bek work at all on Sylvanas?

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That’s the 50% HP one.

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Or does it adjust in fights where boss doesnt go to zero?

loud silo
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isnt as long as youre above 50%?

halcyon zealot
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no, its while you have more than 50% more hp than your target

mystic osprey
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@halcyon zealot and doesn’t adjust for sylvanas type fight?

halcyon zealot
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i dont know for sure, but im inclined to say no

mystic osprey
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I figured as much but wanted to ask.

halcyon zealot
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cause warriors still cant execute iirc?

soft shale
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if its on M sylv it works on p2 adds and the last 5% of the boss

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if you're using frost or blood set go double unholy off gems

halcyon zealot
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yeah but at that point if you dont have the choice to run a set + both dps shards

mystic osprey
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Haha. Asssuming I’m 100% HP in P3

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😜

halcyon zealot
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youd run frost over unholy

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er

soft shale
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unholy has 2 dps gems

halcyon zealot
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frost over blood*

soft shale
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so you put zed and diz

halcyon zealot
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you can refresh frost one in p1 infinitely on chains too

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even tho p1 dmg is irrelevant

soft shale
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did you read what i wrote

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you run cor already

halcyon zealot
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ya, if you have all 5 slots, sure.

soft shale
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oh if you only have 4 or 3 then i guess unlucko but then the set is the least of your problems

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and yea bek sucks

halcyon zealot
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since he was asking if we benefitted from it, i was assuming he had to choose between that or cor, and that he was running unholy 3 set

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i guess i made way too many assumptions lol

fallen ginkgo
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How do you select your shards for simming? Im selecting the specific ones in the bottom of raidbots and nothing changes. Im not even getting a 2nd Sim result. (yes i have all shards and all 5Dom Pieces)

halcyon zealot
hollow river
fallen ginkgo
soft shale
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bek does not work for like 80% of the fight

hollow river
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Bek is the execute one then

soft shale
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yes

hollow river
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Gotcha

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Got turned around reading the convo thought it was the UH one

soft shale
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same thing with cor but you use that one for the set

hollow river
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I have them all

halcyon zealot
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especially on heroic, since you dont go 45%

hollow river
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I only have 4 dom slots

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So I run frost and dps UH

soft shale
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that is fine

hollow river
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Until I get a dom chest piece

misty edge
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Am i misremembering or did at one point some where i read double stackign the sylv dagger is a bigger dps upgrade then just getting the first one?

soft shale
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that is true for M sylv dagger as it has more ilvl

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but for assa hc one is meh

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as off hand

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and gets beaten by most 252 in mainhand

loud light
#

might be thinking of the early version on ptr where I'm pretty sure the proc chance and the damage both stacked

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but that was very bugged

misty edge
#

Ah ok that makes sense thanks guys!

ionic vault
#

not really a rogue question but how do you see who got hit by veil first in warcraft logs?

timid talon
#

crit food is simming higher than feast for me, that's wild

hollow river
#

yep

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frost will do things to you

hollow river
velvet nacelle
#

man i need to log an M+, i feel like i'm checking all the boxes from ryfie's guide but i only finished a mists 16 with 6.7k overall

glad siren
#

Oh wow... I think I missed whenever the change to daggers happened. All this time I thought sylv daggers were always bis for assassination

brazen zodiac
#

ryflie's guide for m+?

velvet nacelle
#

@brazen zodiac yeah

brazen zodiac
#

could u link tht plz i dont think ive seen it

velvet nacelle
#

it's a little out of date but nothing significant has changed

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i guess i had a long death/run back on one of the fights in the maze so that would have hurt my dps a lot

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but still, even 7k feels too low

brazen zodiac
#

also could someone explain why i simmed for 8.7k using advanced sims with theo but when i quick simmed with him it was 6.8k? very new to simming. no buffs are on

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and thanks team

velvet nacelle
#

you'd have to link the sims

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were you using raidbots? are you sure you didn't have like some gear substitutions on?

brazen zodiac
#

doing 3 min cause this is my m+ set up and being realistic v bosses

velvet nacelle
#

that's odd

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that's a huge deviation

balmy condor
#

what's the weirdness here?

kind talon
balmy condor
#

the advanced sim has buffs

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the quick sim doesn't have buffs

kind talon
#

Ah true

brazen zodiac
#

set bonus on

kind talon
#

Buffs aren’t 2k dps diff

brazen zodiac
#

ahhh ok

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thank u

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uhhh

kind talon
#

Pretty sure it’s set

balmy condor
brazen zodiac
#

yeah ^ ive been simming all day buffs vs no buffs and its always like a 2.1-2.3k diff

kind talon
#

Huh

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Gg

brazen zodiac
#

hey whispyr is there any way to turn off buffs in advanced sims? i can't seem to find ;p

velvet nacelle
#

CT should be my top damage in like, nearly every dungeon right?

#

i'm so bad at CT on single target, i think i should hit the dummy

balmy condor
#

depends on the dungeon and the week

velvet nacelle
#

mists 16 this week

balmy condor
#

garrote is highest for me usually

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but if you're pulling big, CT can catch up or be higher

velvet nacelle
#

ok, garrote was my top, CT was 3rd

balmy condor
#

what was second

#

melee?

velvet nacelle
#

p sure melee

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i just closed wow

balmy condor
#

hm

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CT being under melee is definitely wrong

velvet nacelle
#

opening it back up

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i'm trying to refresh CT in the pandemic window

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i missed maybe a few and it fell off but i doubt it was lower than 90% uptime

#

CT ended up being 10%

balmy condor
#

you refresh earlier than pandemic in 4+

#

but I doubt that's the reason

hollow river
#

didn't realize how hard PIs can carry a parse on a fight like sylvanas

velvet nacelle
#

i don't flag enough on trash

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i have a hard time deciding who to flag and then everything is dead

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sometimes it's obvious like the villagers in mists, but mostly i end up sitting on it for the minibosses

#

trying to be better about it but seeing as how i only got the one dungeon in this week i kinda just forgot today

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@hollow river PI is nice

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i'm never in a position to get it because i don't pester people enough about it

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our warlocks and stuff whine incessantly if they dont' get it and i just want to pull so...

limpid quest
#

question what is the best legendary doomblade for assasin gloves?

warm saffron
#

cloak

hollow river
sterile ocean
#

So question whats people looking at for there bis stuff?

zinc frost
#

Use droptimizer on raidbots. No real bis stuff/lists.

sterile ocean
#

i was gonna say like bloodmallet or wowhead

hollow river
#

I think the only thing everyone agrees is bis around here is

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252 phial

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Other than that it can depend on your build, so you sim.

sterile ocean
#

right right but what i ment like exsample in the raid theres 2 boots with crit haste on it one has more crit the other has more haste like which do i want on?

abstract cargo
#

Sim

limpid quest
#

Hi question is legendary obedience called the grim-veiled cape in auction house?

#

is this the BIS for assasin single target

sterile ocean
#

i been hearing between it and doomblade

limpid quest
#

thanks

zinc frost
manic pebble
#

Pls bless me for 252 phial this reset

echo cargo
#

bless

gusty mirage
echo cargo
#

at this point i'd take dom boots from mythic or heroic sylv daggers

fresh kernel
#

is dashing good for keys?

drifting cloud
#

no

ebon thorn
#

Is frost/dashing oversimming?

#

Tried like 15 pulls with dashing then 15 pulls unholy doomblade on sylv, and honestly felt like unholy was just better, despite me having like 44% crit

#

numbers wise

balmy condor
#

it is not

ebon thorn
#

then again

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rank 3 set vs rank 4 set

quasi grotto
#

Do I have to facing the boss or put of the platform on remnant, hitting my shadowstep as MD goes out and seems to to still throw me forward from the boss but not knocking anyone back

green ledge
#

My rank 3 frost is simming higher than rank 4 unholy so might be because ofbyour gear

balmy condor
#

back to the boss

quasi grotto
#

Right okay thanks. Will try that now. Was unsure if shadowstep worked without facing the boss

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Feel like shadowtepping should still work regardless of where I face though. But I'm only a minion, shall put it into practice Wednesday

sinful crag
#

anyone have any idea why venthyr suddenly sims ~50 dps lower than necro on single target for me despite it simming higher previously and not having gotten any new gear?

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have rank 4 frost set

lean coral
#

you're gonna have to link the sim for people to look at and see why

sinful crag
#

nvm it was because i was accidentally simming without lashing

#

im dumb

upbeat crater
#

Is it ever okay to overcap on cp? Like if I have 5 cp with shiv and flag up or just shiv up

zinc frost
#

It’s not ideal but it’s also not going to be huge loss if you happen to overcap on a shiv.

ocean cave
#

im guessing it is better to press shiv on cd and burn 1cp than to delay shiv a few globals

#

but you can plan around that and pretty much avoid that decision a majority of the time

solar latch
#

hey guys, should I have different legendaries for tyrannical and fortified weeks?

fallen arch
#

No

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Zoldyck>all

solar latch
#

ok ty

fallen arch
#

Big maybe on a st leggo for fortified top/plaguefall

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On higher keys

solar latch
#

sorry did not understand that

fallen arch
#

In top you have a lot of single target/cleave encounters

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Which makes a single target legendary like doomblade gain value

balmy condor
#

if anything you would play obedience

fallen arch
#

On a fortified week, that becomes even more important because the minibosses will be quite long fights

balmy condor
#

I think doomblade as your single target legendary is trolling

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in keys at least

fallen arch
#

If you’re venthyr yes

fallen arch
balmy condor
#

well if you're not you would play dashing

oak sky
#

i just run zoldyck anyway

fallen arch
#

Ye usually same

oak sky
#

i also dont have obedience

solar latch
#

yea, which comes down to my next q, I've simmed obedience and doomblade for a venthyr rogue and doomblade sims 300 dps higher

oak sky
#

which is cool

balmy condor
#

yeh zoldyck still fine but if you're going to go for the single target

fallen arch
#

But I like to try different things

solar latch
#

but I've seen many ppl recommending obedience

balmy condor
#

300 seems pretty insane

#

not sure I believe that

oak sky
#

idk when i want st i just dont change my soulbind path and say its because its tyrannical copium

balmy condor
#

but if it is that much, then obviously wouldn't play obed

solar latch
#

let me sim again

#

then again I'm by no means in the bis gear, most of my slots are 236

zinc frost
#

Obedience can yield some pretty good results in keys, even better the higher the key.

solar latch
#

@balmy condor actually I was wrong, it's +154 dps, not sure why I thought it was 300

balmy condor
#

hm

#

still seems high but idk

solar latch
balmy condor
#

probably fine to just use dashing

#

what am I looking at

#

is this supposed to be aoe or single target

zinc frost
#

Yeah what does obedience sim with d/slice?

solar latch
#

oops, this seems to be a single target one. sorry, still new to this

balmy condor
#

so we're wondering about dungeonslice?

zinc frost
#

I’m assuming so since he asked about mythic plus

solar latch
#

maybe, let me try this

#

sry for confusion

fallen arch
#

I stiill think dslice is a funny sim

#

Since db 262 and zoldyck 235 sim like within 150 dps for me there

balmy condor
#

whys is that weird

#

seems completely reasonable

oak sky
#

is it mostly because zoldyck isnt that big of a gain and you get big doomblade gains on low target?

fallen arch
#

Probably

balmy condor
#

there's a 2 min boss and it's 27 ilvl higher

oak sky
#

oh

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ilvl

#

i missed that

thin trout
#

Not that many classes use frost dom set right? hardly anyone has r5 on live i assume?

oak sky
#

i meant to also say

#

low target and boss

#

im fried

balmy condor
solar latch
#

seems like zoldyck is the bis one

balmy condor
#

damn, dashing getting gapped

#

I guess the CT devalue

oak sky
#

just play hidden blades

#

ez

balmy condor
#

I mean you can

oak sky
#

maybe i should try dashing in keys

#

its 235 but so is my zoldyck

zinc frost
#

I think @dark token had some success with dashing in keys

oak sky
#

maybe ill try it next week

#

when tyran comes back

solar latch
#

another question guys, if we are talking about the raiding for venthyr rogue? should I stick to doomblade? or it would be better to go obedience? doomblade sims higher for me

oak sky
#

doomblade or dashing scoundrel

kindred forum
#

Hello guys do you use deadly shadow macro as assassination?

oak sky
#

nah

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its not good enough+ i think they patched it

zinc frost
#

Yeah doesn’t work for sin

oak sky
#

at least they did for this spec

solar latch
#

thanks

kindred forum
#

Okay thx

upbeat crater
#

Are there downsides with playing scoundrel compared to doom which is just a passive. Obedience can be very awkward on some bosses

zinc frost
#

Both scoundrel and doomblade are both pretty passive, nothing changes in rotation

hollow dirge
#

opener for venthyr?

verbal mantle
#

FAQ channels exist man

fallen arch
balmy condor
verbal mantle
#

I thought they were created for decorating

oak sky
#

faq channel to make the mods look competent poggers

#

jk ❤️

balmy condor
zinc frost
oak sky
#

@balmy condor you know we all read the faqs every night before bed feelsloveman

rotund oak
#

Been chopping a dummy for the entire night,didnt know how important is to throw sbs during gemstone proc from heirmir

#

actual dps gain

balmy condor
#

That’s why we do it yeah

zinc frost
#

Saving my last bonespike for a rainy day

tacit wedge
#

Wait there's a faq channel?

thin trout
#

anyone know what this first row empowerment is we get next reset for theotar/draven?

ruby oyster
#

just bonus ilvl to whatever conduit you have there, i think its 2 tiers so if you have 226, it will work as 239

thin trout
#

ah okay thanks

cinder steppe
#

Is there a weak aura for the heimir gemstone? To know when the soulbind is up

fallen arch
#

Yes

thin trout
#

anyone got sum tips for Painsmith Mythic?

fallen arch
#

Kill boss before you die

oak sky
#

+2ed my top Sinscheme

indigo mulch
#

I want dashing so bad 😦

#

But my crit is awful sadge

oak sky
#

just have it ready to go when your crit stops being awful

indigo mulch
#

actually still a dps upgrade oO

tacit wedge
#

Poggers

#

Welcome in the cool club, where we use Dashing

indigo mulch
#

Can't get it until tomorrow tho sadge.

fallen arch
#

‘Awful’ crit with those rings

#

Right

ornate lake
#

Might be worth simming with bs-ds. Was a 130 dps increase compared to ep vigor for me.

#

Rocking 41% crit these days though

fathom flax
#

Bs ds being a dps increase won’t make me take it

#

I will die on this hill

digital zodiac
#

rocking dashing 44% crit atm

#

when do we wanna stop? 45 ish?

idle star
#

We stop at 100%

#

Muwahahaha

digital zodiac
#

never...stop..the stack

#

150k to get dashing to r6 .. for 94 DPS increase feelsbadman

verbal mantle
#

yall consumed by infexious video

#

smh

wary pawn
#

or how does it feel to play

verbal mantle
zinc frost
#

The two time

tacit wedge
verbal mantle
#

43,4% otherwise it doesnt FEEL good

#

xd

tacit wedge
#

Based on my statweight, everybody should play obediance theotar with MfD/Exsanguinate

shrewd night
spice spire
soft shale
#

tbh mfd has not been that far behind

#

with obedience

fallen arch
#

It just sucks to play with

gusty mirage
idle star
hollow escarp
tacit wedge
bleak phoenix
#

i have 41% crit as necro assa with rank 4 frost set. however 262 dashing only sims 6 dps higher than my 262 doomblade. is it only for venthyr that dashing becomes way better? cheers

hollow escarp
#

it's definetly easier to make dashing work as venthyr

#

but it can work on necro as well

spice spire
slow tulip
#

its between 10 and 80 dps gain for me as a necro compared to doomblade, but i just like the enrg regen more as a playstyle so im dashing with frost

bleak phoenix
slow tulip
#

rank 3 frost already outsims my rank 4 unholy

#

next week ill be with rank 4 frost and finally 10K dps sim xD

vapid scaffold
#

Hi, folks! I have been following your discussion here for a while and also read most of the guides available on this channel, hence I dare to ask: is Night Fae covenant a feasible choice for raiding mythic progress?

#

I am currently playing Night Fae as Assassination

slow tulip
#

everything is viable as of today, some choices are just better

vapid scaffold
#

Thank you, Miserere!

arctic hare
#

Nightfae is definitely an interesting covenant ability, thats without a doubt

sick cairn
#

question

#

double sylv daggers work right?

slow tulip
#

yes

sick cairn
#

nice

#

thanks

wide ridge
digital zodiac
sick cairn
#

or do they proc seperately?

digital zodiac
sinful citrus
#

Double damage

wind totem
#

How beneficial is dashing scoundrel on painsmith? If you fan a few balls you get some energy regen back. Is it anything relevant? I'm still contemplating whether to craft dashing or craft a m+ legendary and we are currently on painsmith progression.

limber lion
#

It doesn't really matter too too much.

sick cairn
#

just rupture one ball

limber lion
#

Any of the 3 legendaries are fine for Painsmith.

sick cairn
#

and u get full energy back once it reaches the end

wind totem
#

I've done it and I dont think it gives the energy back

sick cairn
#

once it explodes it gave me energy

wind totem
#

hmm

#

ill check my logs

sick cairn
#

u gotta have poison on it i think

#

not sure

wind totem
#

no

sick cairn
#

but i have done it

wind totem
#

not for the energy back

#

not in general

limber lion
#

It definitely does refund energy when the ball gets destroyed.

wind totem
#

oh great. I must've not seen it right

#

cuz nerzhul orbs dont

limber lion
#

And after the changes to SBS, it also refunds an SBS stack.

wind totem
#

for sure

sick cairn
#

it also refunds SBS stacks

#

hehehehe

limber lion
#

They don't.

sick cairn
wind totem
#

Well Im vent so SBS is whatever to me lol

limber lion
#

Yup, same same

sick cairn
#

ceverion u venthyr?

limber lion
#

Yes

rocky pecan
#

guys on paintsmith MM intermission did the shadowsteel ember focuus on alll player or healler cant drop that ?

sick cairn
#

i thought u were necro

limber lion
#

No, I've been Venthyr for a long time now.

sick cairn
#

oh

wind totem
limber lion
#

Venthyr is a lot better for frost than Necro.

alpine latch
#

I've finally got a 89% parse Cev... But it's on Terragrue 😢

sick cairn
#

ahh okay

alpine latch
#

It be like that sometimes

limber lion
rocky pecan
#

ok

#

got it thanks

sick cairn
#

if its true that we can swap covenants on command in 9.1.5

#

im gonna go crazy

wind totem
#

lmao

#

no way

limber lion
sick cairn
#

idk ive seen 9.1.5 leaks but i take it with a grain of salt

wind totem
#

"leaks" aka made up shit for views

alpine latch
wind totem
#

A single weapon isn't holding you back that much.

#

Trust me.

alpine latch
#

I mean ... It's a pretty massive upgrade

#

But yes, I have others.

#

I only have 3 Dom sockets.

#

I'm so tired of farming normal

wind totem
#

Right but if you cant do 75% on bosses, it's not that 1 item. Maybe you are missing other key items. Maybe you are doing something wrong. IDK but it's not jsut the dagger.

alpine latch
#

Cannot for the life of me get them to fucking drop

#

I haven't gotten a single upgrade in 2 weeks

wind totem
#

Last vault the best item i had in it was -40 dps

manic pebble
#

How do I know that I’m doing good in the raids compare to other people. I feel like I’m doing fine but I’m not sure

alpine latch
#

Yeah, mine was 27

wind totem
manic pebble
#

How

chilly viper
#

search ur character

#

try to watch a guide on logs for better understanding

alpine latch
manic pebble
#

Aight I’ll take a look

alpine latch
manic pebble
#

why does it say I’ve killed only the first boss?

alpine latch
#

Because you're looking at Mythic

manic pebble
#

Oh

alpine latch
#

Where it says Highest Difficulty, click the drop down and select Heroic

manic pebble
#

I think I need to work on Syl better

wind totem
#

Anyone here who has maanged to get 50% crit already? Im sitting 41% and wanna kill myself everytime on pull when i mutilate and get only 3 cp.

verbal mantle
manic pebble
#

50% crit? Damn I need to see their gears

#

I’m at 34 atm

wind totem
#

I was asking about it. Im not sure its achieveable right now even. I'm 41% crit with 248 ilvl but it can do some optimizing.

hollow escarp
#

what's wrong with 3 cp mutilates?

#

be happy you don't get parried

wind totem
#

everything when you have MA buff up and you have 91% crit

#

I stay behind the boss.

manic pebble
#

I hate it

hollow escarp
#

rpg flavour

shrewd night
alpine latch
tired vessel
wide ridge
gusty mirage
wide ridge
#

you guys think theotar will be better than nadjia this week because of that conduit upgrade thingy?

#

or fatal flaws too stronk

vale marten
#

dont think yoou can get 50% crit

#

the stat drs too much

nova flax
#

Not the potency. So its not a dps increase

wide ridge
#

ah

#

derpy me, nvm then

chilly viper
#

For you guys with frost set

#

The trinket from eye must be BiS right

#

or really good at least

alpine latch
#

No?

wide ridge
#

i've seen people saying dormazain trinket simming higher than eye

#

mythic versions, of course

alpine latch
#

My BiS trinket combo is Phial/Fusion Amp

#

Although IQD was simming really high when I only had 30% crit

chilly viper
#

Yea maybe not bis but the crit from the trinket must be really good

alpine latch
#

Really just depends on the character. IQD was BiS for me for a few days until I got more crit.

lavish lichen
#

Also depends on uptime so depends on which fight

alpine latch
#

I was actually hunting it (and wound up getting it after it was no longer BiS for my character)

lavish lichen
#

Because if you are under 50% it TAKES that much away so you lose quite a bit

#

(shadowlands.titanic_ocular_gland_worthy_chance=.8)

#

this command will help you sim it more accurately

#

the .8 is uptime so 80% uptime there

chilly viper
#

thx thx will check that for sure

thorny pond
#

TOG suffers from not being Fusion or Phial really

sinful island
#

Does shiv nature damage buff increase Phial damage?

spice spire
spice spire
thorny pond
#

Shiv only affects our abilities not externals or trinks

#

IQD giving me 65% crit was pretty bananas though

pale plank
#

With BS/DS are u guys able to fit in that 3rd Envenom on Shiv window?

thorny pond
#

It varies Vick

pale plank
#

I feel like unless I get RNG BS proc I only get 2 envenom in

thorny pond
#

crit luck plays into it, good pooling and starting shiv at max CP helps

limber lion
slim pebble
#

Does the great vault give loot from bosses you killed that week on any difficulty or any bosses you’ve killed this season on that difficulty

thorny pond
#

The latter

limber lion
wind totem
slim pebble
gusty mirage
limber lion
#

Your RL doesn't seem to know much then.

hollow escarp
#

wait what

gusty mirage
limber lion
#

Because you need to press Shiv on cooldown

#

and that's it

hollow escarp
#

he probably played toxic blade back in the days

gusty mirage
#

Because homeboy seems to be using wowanalyzer

slim pebble
#

They had a “rogue friend” that looked at my logs

burnt star
#

Rofl

thorny pond
#

Just your friendly neighborhood Rogue friend

limber lion
#

The rogue friend is a dummy then

spice spire
#

Rogue friend needs to be Retaught then SmileW

gusty mirage
#

He needs better friends

thorny pond
slim pebble
#

You see, that’s what I thought 😅

burnt star
#

For all we know. His rogue friens is a green parser

wind totem
gusty mirage
spice spire
thorny pond
tacit wedge
#

Shiv is basically
Press it on cd
Don't pool energy
Who cares if you dont 3 envenom
Yes, you use it even in aoe

wind totem
thorny pond
#

I need more coffee for you man

chilly viper
#

Plot twist: the rogue friend was fuu

wind totem
#

Care to actually contribute to the conversation or are you just here to be contrarian and insulting?

hollow escarp
tacit wedge
hollow escarp
#

there's no point in aiming for a certain amount of cps when it's rng based

gusty mirage
spice spire
hollow escarp
#

be happy when it happens, and move along when it doesn't

split cipher
#

I don't even get 5 cp on painsmith with 41% crit hitting 6 targets. I've learned the bfa cp gen is dead

gusty mirage
burnt star
wind totem
gusty mirage
limber lion
hollow escarp
limber lion
#

When I say "opener" I don't mean the first 2 mutilates that you do in the fight

#

I mean the first 30s of the fight.

#

The entire Vendetta window.

chilly viper
#

Broskis, after using shuriken storm for so much time going to fan of knives feels so clunky to me? Am I dumb

tacit wedge
#

Speaking of CP, FoK stilk confuse me on how it work
If i FoK 4 target
0 Crit=1CP
1 Crit=2CP, right ? I'm overthinking FoK and it generates 1 cp per target crit?

wind totem
#

Normally I would agree but it was quite obvious what I was referencing.

limber lion
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With 50% crit, sure, you get 4CP on the very first 2 mutilates and 2 4cp mutilates when you vanish

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but the opener is so much more than just those 4 mutilates.

gusty mirage
hollow escarp
burnt star
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I mean... im not for that per say rofl. Its just people were arguing that u wouldnt get 4 cp per mutiliate in his first few hit

wind totem
hollow escarp
tacit wedge
chilly viper
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on 4 targets | FoK > Multilate?

tacit wedge
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Yes

chilly viper
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or FoK once to apply poisons one then keep mutilate 🤔

gusty mirage
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That’s on cleave less than 4T

thorny pond
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FoK with dashing has energy return benefits regardless

limber lion
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You use FoK as your generator on 4

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instead of Muti

spice spire
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4 targets + fok is your builder

chilly viper
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gotcha gotcha

tacit wedge
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3 targets you fok to apply poisons

chilly viper
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but keep mutilating

gusty mirage
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Then you embody this emote when you fok 4T and get 2 CP oxiPAIN

chilly viper
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before @tacit wedge mentionned it, I thought it was 1cp per hit like shuriken storm

manic quartz
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!oils

alpine garden
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Dumb Q: we refresh bleeds after shiv window yeah?

tacit wedge
split cipher
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There was a sim done yesterday on whether it was more prio damage to storm and evis on the balls on painsmith and they figured it was better to shadowstrike. Just a rough guess but would it be better still to mut into enven in that situation?

chilly viper
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cries in huge aoe packs

gusty mirage
alpine latch
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On Sylvanas, how are you guys using pot? On pull, 2nd DPS phase in P2, and again on 4th platform? Or just on lust/hero burns?

verbal mantle
hollow escarp
faint harness
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btw, dont we want like 45.3% crit to fulfill the frost exodia and perhaps drop like 53.5 haste rating to achieve this?

verbal mantle
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no

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NO

spice spire
thorny pond
verbal mantle
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not you man

tacit wedge
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When you FoK and reach target cap and you have only 1CP because 36% crit silenceheathen

spice spire
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Push ANGERY

tacit wedge
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Gaming

verbal mantle
tacit wedge
alpine latch
faint harness
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what about 54 haste rating monkaHmm

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sounds good?

spice spire
faint harness
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maybe swap a haste gem for crit, idk sounds like frost is gigabis chad gameplay, maybe play kyrian as well for the big envenom crits

spice spire
alpine latch
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You only get 3 pots if you're using it on adds in P2 or if you're going deep into the 4th platform though

manic quartz
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stupid question maybe but when we refresh dots within pandemic does it matter dps wise in which point of the pandemic you refresh them?

tacit wedge
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No

spice spire
tacit wedge
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As long as you pandemic

spice spire
manic quartz
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great xD i've always tried to refresh them as soon as pandemic starts. this fucking makes my gameplay much more bearable xD

gusty mirage
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If you’re a masochist like me you can tinker with the APL and try out dif refresh times and see what the difference is

manic quartz
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yea i like pain but not that much

tacit wedge
gusty mirage
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I suffered for you, dw. It’s not that big of a deal

gusty mirage
tacit wedge
gusty mirage
thorny pond
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Oxi, I told my GM I'd do dirty things to him if I rip a dagger from the vault and Sylv this week. Do I follow through or piss of the RNG gods?

tacit wedge
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Got sylv dagger on my first heroic kill, god is real

thorny pond