assassination

[spice spire]

1v20d fatescribe

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

My computer being 1 of the 20

[gusty mirage]

Frost most likely, but sim it to make sure

[spice spire]

And the other rogue being my only ally

Pretty unlucky tbh

[gusty mirage]

Wow cheating on me already

[spice spire]

???? Nah

[strange python]

It sims to me unholy, but I think that the more crit gear, frost will be better

I wanted yo make sure

[gusty mirage]

Yeah frost gets better with higher crit

[spice spire]

Also I’m over exaggerating it a bit, definite hardest boss was my fucking toaster or a computer

[thorny pond]

44% crit bb lets go

[strange python]

What crit are we talking about? I mean around what

[thorny pond]

around 35-40

[strange python]

Wait what? 44% crit???

[gusty mirage]

Only 41% crit

[strange python]

What the heck dude

[cobalt pelican]

1 whole crit

[strange python]

Ty so much, long way to go 😂😂😂

[thorny pond]

you can run 10% crit and just get lucky, then you wish you had mastery. kawhaImean?

[strange python]

I’m on 31

[hollow river]

Frost simmed better for me at 30

[strange python]

Hmm… doesn’t for me

[hollow river]

% doesn’t matter

It’s the actual amount of crit points

[thorny pond]

% does matter for the majority

[drowsy parcel]

im at 45 and its still top stat weight

crit

[strange python]

The high crit guys

[hollow river]

Not if low ilvl

[strange python]

How much haste do you have?

[verbal mantle]

stat weight

[shadow tusk]

The % is just a representation of the amount tho

Ilvl dont matter

[hollow river]

Yes it does lol

[gusty mirage]

[shadow tusk]

1000 crit Will always be the same % regardless of ilvl

[shrewd night]

[gusty mirage]

Oh shit shien’s here

Gotta go guys

[verbal mantle]

[karmic crystal]

Yes but butchering your ilvl to reach a certain amount of crit isn’t going to help

[shadow tusk]

Yeah but that wasnt the point

[spice spire]

Shien’s here don’t say anything or muted

[shrewd night]

Sin chat is the kind of chat only a mother could love

[thorny pond]

Did you smell the feelycraft?

[hollow river]

The point was frost vs unholy

[next dune]

Watching Blizz try to balance Dom gems LUL

[thorny pond]

Just keep buffing them

add more ranks

[next dune]

Blizz be like "oh everyone is taking unholy? ok we buff frost then LOL enjoy fuckos"

[thorny pond]

I hope blood literally drains life force of raid members around you and boss to do more boss damage at the new ranks I hope they add

[next dune]

yeah thats too complicated

[thorny pond]

Have you seen some of the anima powers?

[next dune]

like set bonuses. OH WAIT they did that in classic

[thorny pond]

That's not complex at all

"If you run around with one weapon equipped, heal for 5% and every 19.72 healing done from this effect increases your shadow damage done by 14% but only if it's raining and July"

[next dune]

Doesnt matter. It's Blizzard. They gave us gems that just do straight more damage and called it a day. Now they trying to make all 3 sets just do damage cause hey, everyone taking one set

[karmic crystal]

Patrick and a pony on game design

[thorny pond]

You're pink wut

[next dune]

Yeah cool huh? Dudes with cartoon characters know more about game design and balance than Blizzard

[runic maple]

so my lashing scars is still 200 and I shld prolly work on that, how/where do we obtain the random ilvl conduit upgrade item again?

[green scroll]

plop

[verbal mantle]

I think you really dont know how much ressources you need to actually balance a game like that

but ok

you do you

[thorny pond]

sire, or korthia upgrade pieces are the best

[next dune]

Fanboi it up all you want, simple fact is, Dom gems is the most lazy bs shit they ever gave us. Durr durr here do damage with gems lol

[runic maple]

sire is out of the option atm lel, so I guess korthia pieces

[spice spire]

I mean I’m unsure about that - they definitely do not have the best design but generally people in a class discord are very uh. Subjective and focused. It’s like identifying something is wrong and finding a solution are two very different levels of knowledge

[thorny pond]

psh I watched 2 videos on game design and took a clay modeling class at the learning annex. How hard can balance be?

[verbal mantle]

[spice spire]

You needed two classes on clay modeling, unlucky chief

[thorny pond]

frick

Well uh, rogues should be top dam, we should get smoke bomb back on a 2min CD that reduces all incoming dam by 100%

anything else ?

[spice spire]

Ahh yes of course

[vestal wren]

i rly like the video from extra credits about perfect inbalance

but yes balancing a game is rly hard

[spice spire]

Koffing is typing

[thorny pond]

Just let Infexious balance the game

[vestal wren]

I think the problem with balance is that its never perfect

and everyone has his own point of view he think is correct

what in the end means that reguardless how good the balance is it will never satisfy everyone

[thorny pond]

No, because Survival will still be bottomed and fire will somehow end up viable

Hpal and disc healer meta again? poggers, who'd have guessed?

[vestal wren]

a lot of those issues come from design decisions

[thorny pond]

Yep and until the do patch design changes it'll always play out like this

[vestal wren]

and are rather obviouse if you look a bit more objective on game balance

[thorny pond]

or they just do what they did to sub and make it huge

[vestal wren]

i think its fine to have certain outliners that are better, but the problem is if they are always better its not a niche but the default

and hence to good relative to the rest

i think rogue is rly good balanced right now between the specs tbh.
while cetrian parts of each of the specs could be improved you have a lot of personal choice in what you play

[thorny pond]

A huge problem is that they've let the same class mechanics thrive for the better part of 6 years. They need to change things up more often for other specs to see the light of day. Surival being a melee on a range class has to be so much better just by that virtue alone

[vestal wren]

i think blizz fell victim to sales metrics

[thorny pond]

that's very obvious

the last 3 xpacs have all followed the same content release pattern

[vestal wren]

i can't say if that was the case but last 2 xpacts did slowly extend the content relese shedule, reduce content, etc.

this seems like a move to save money but in the end also ended up in the company losing more than they won

[thorny pond]

People liked variance. Keeping everything stale feels meh. Dungeons designed around M+, raids all feel similar with new skins

[fiery mauve]

Fwiw I like gems as a way to increase player power without nerfing raid

[vestal wren]

blizz was the only company that had people leave their games during the pandemic

[fiery mauve]

Same thing like renown

[vestal wren]

what should ring all alarm bells

[thorny pond]

gems are nice, the problem now lies in 9.2 we need some more obtuse power creep to outshine the gems

if they make us weaker by removing them and replacing with something else, people will freak

[fiery mauve]

I mean they’re only used in raid, we’ll likely ge tomorrow soulbinds next patch

[vestal wren]

i am not sure what they do with domination

[fiery mauve]

Inb4 2 legendaries

[thorny pond]

Raid metrics matter unfort

[vestal wren]

domination in 9.2 might be just gone#

[thorny pond]

if we feel weaker in raids

gege

[vestal wren]

but with 15% dps impact you will feel a diffrence

[fiery mauve]

Well you won’t feel weaker in raid if the raid is tuned

To your damage

[thorny pond]

so we get this tacked on borrowed power struggle where the base spec changes little

[vestal wren]

and game design usually don't want to take away power from the player

[fiery mauve]

But aren’t tier sets rumored 9.2

[zinc frost]

This is exactly what I thought, couldn’t help but think some shit was going down internally..

[vestal wren]

they did state that 9.1 might get tier sets, given that we only got a light version of tier sets with domination people assume its 9.2

[thorny pond]

They broke the glass in legion with Illidan, bet they do the same with Arthas soon. We already have Malganis threads as well since he's a fan favorite

[vestal wren]

don't remember if there was a bluepost about it

to be fair the sl storyline is not rly great

[thorny pond]

It's an average story with two good, not great raids. Borrowed power came back in full force so now that will exponentially scale our power, again

[vestal wren]

there is nothing wrong with borrowed power systems

[gusty mirage]

Tbf the entire expansion is not rly great

[thorny pond]

no but they went ham really early

[vestal wren]

i think the xpac is okay

[thorny pond]

And it would be nice to get a class power boost every now and again instead of borrowed power

[vestal wren]

like none of the old systems is bad

m+ dungeons are fine, raid is fine

new systems did not work out as well with torghast being more a fail (but expected, i predicted this during beta)
the new mission table being useless
and daily quests/assaults being rather boring

[zinc frost]

Laughs in conduit energy

[vestal wren]

i don't think conduit energy is even a problem

[thorny pond]

The daily grind sucks, as per usual it's a player time engagement metric

[vestal wren]

conduits have low enough impact to for conduit energy

[sharp haven]

Torghast is lame cause when you get all your cool powers with big numbers the runs already over and you have to do the next wing and start over

[vestal wren]

unless you swicth a lot between specs

torghast is fine as is

its just that its the first iteration of a game mode that needs a lot of work to be decent/good

kinda like "alright ill make a roguelike, can't be hard"

a lot of experienced players in the genre do struggle to keep those games engaging with e.g. hades being a very good example of how well it can work out

but those companies changed the games significantly if you look at alpha/beta and release

and they bring experience in the genre so big mistakes won't happen

[zinc frost]

I think torghast would be been much more liked off the bat if it was introduced in its current state. Not being gated by deaths etc

[sharp haven]

I think they sorta tried the hades approach in 9.1 with tower knoweldge but it seems underwhelming

[vestal wren]

i think the biggest problem with it is that its not challanging

besides being mandetory

being forced to do trivial content over and over again just makes the content so much worse

[dark token]

Layer 12 was definitely challenging the first week

With 230 gear and no shards

Now it's a more trivial

[vestal wren]

also torghast does not rly capture the base of the genre well

because you atm end up running almost the same every run

[zinc frost]

Yeah that’s what I dislike. I’m fishing for the same powers every run

[vestal wren]

and blizz approach to procedural dungeon generation is... very stupid

[thorny pond]

Lucid Nightmare room design for torg would have been fantastic challenge mode version of it

[vestal wren]

they did state their approach during beta

what they did was basically design a floor

then just block paths of it to alter them

due to blizz internal testing people couldn't differenciate between floors at all with this

[thorny pond]

right so just do 4-5 mini versions of that and when you get to the end you still get the portal like you get now

[sharp haven]

Yo the worst design this xpac is how fucking far SoD is and how annoying the mobs on the run there are. Like getting constantly slowed is so fun blizzard.

[thorny pond]

TIME METRIC

[vestal wren]

i mean i am a more casual player

but i think the 9.1 improvements to torghast are not nessecerly what people asked for

because now you need to clear everything to be able to get the extra floors

so the amount of choice you have to complete it goes down

also sry that i am a bit off topic, possible should return to a bit more #assassination centric discussion

[thorny pond]

sin sucks at torghast

[vestal wren]

sin was one of the best specs early on

because you could dot and run

[fiery mauve]

Yeah I like sin for solo torg

[zinc frost]

It’s not too bad. Sub feels a lot better tho

[vestal wren]

i disslike outlaw

[zinc frost]

Death spike leggo in torghast actually works really well for sin

[vestal wren]

because no baseline aoe

[zinc frost]

Yeah I did it once as outlaw, never again

[dull cloak]

If you feel bored in your weekly torgh runs, find and carry a rando from lfg

[vestal wren]

i tent to do it in a group of 3+

not sure if its faster than solo

[zinc frost]

Depends how bad the others are :p

[spring walrus]

doomblade is still bis ? i don't wanna recraft

[rotund oak]

im recrafting 262 doomblade on back

crit/haste

on sunday

necro assa :3

[fiery mauve]

Doomblade is probably the preferred leggo for assass

Dashing also great

[rotund oak]

ild sincerely go for dashing

[vestal wren]

dashing is not bad

but also only ahead with frost

[rotund oak]

its just that doomblade is very storng for pvp as well

Doomblade we go with UH?

ive got rnak 4 frost 😦

[zinc frost]

I’d say sim yourself to see how UH ranks for you, generally frost build is strong all around regardless of leggo

[rotund oak]

ive got also high crit

im about 39%

so frost should scale better

but will sim ofc

[spice spire]

Then I’d sim it

[rotund oak]

ye 100%

[cedar star]

If you are 39% crit and have decent haste with r4 frost, it’s straight gonna sim better, almost guaranteed

The other thing that I’m finding crazy about swapping frost is the absorb shield

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852287167920603190/875218586992533584/lolfrost.png

This was the absorb shield from doing mythic eye, that’s just insane to me

Like I could feel the survivability difference from unholy

[zinc frost]

Yeah the defensive from frost is insane for prog

[cedar star]

A DH tried to tell me frost was a sim trap and I went ?????wut

[zinc frost]

Yikes…

[plain thistle]

"sim trap"

[visual prairie]

i know this is a bit necro, but with the frost shield, sin is way better in torghast now

i am able to plow through pretty much like is used to with sub

[zinc frost]

Yeah the frost buffs were a god send 🙏

[plain thistle]

but assa was good in thorgast since week 1, even without all the buffs we got

[visual prairie]

it felt too squishy for me at 230 trying to do a 12 quickly, but i could do it relatively easily as sub

[indigo mulch]

Sub is just so much more easier to clear with compared to sin. =s

[fiery mauve]

Sure

But I’m lazy a lot and just dot shit

[strange python]

why does lethal poisons sim better than maim and mangle for me? is it cause i have r3 frost

but low(er) crit

[fiery mauve]

Idk are you using doomblade

[strange python]

yes as 262 and am necro

im currently simming, dashing is better only for like 30-ish dps

[fiery mauve]

Conduit ilvl?

Idk

[strange python]

that might be the case yeah, got the shiv one at 252 but rest are 226.. shiv and lethal sim the highest

with frost set

[zinc frost]

They sim the highest for me as well

As necro

[strange python]

bro i rushed and threw 130 embers to upgrade the blood set, before figuring out that the set bonus corresponds with your lowest lvl shard

and before figuring out that i need to stack crit in order for the frost set to be the best

and what's funniest of all, i am at Blood 3, 4 and 5 shards, so i basically have Frost 3 and Blood 3

and then i studied pins and asked few questions here and i facepalmed hard, had to clear normal two weeks 😄

[undone eagle]

Guys do i talent subterfuge or MA for sin rogue in m+ ? i checked pin but is it old?

[zinc frost]

Subterfuge

[undone eagle]

ty

3x garrote + fok = crimson tempest opener then i guess?

[zinc frost]

Yep, throw out ruptures, keep up CT, keep up snd with an envenom and your sweet 😉

[prime zealot]

You can push 4 garrote, though the 4th is an unbuffed one

[undone eagle]

right mb

do i CT 4 dot then?

[zinc frost]

What do you mean by that?

[bold jetty]

with frost set we go 2x oil on weapon?

or it doesnt matter

[zinc frost]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[bold jetty]

yea but can proc more crits am i right?

[dawn ivy]

ive been under the impression that frost set doesnt account for any damager from a tangent source

[harsh lantern]

I just equip it and it does 3rd overall dmg

Just send it

[zinc frost]

Yeah, definitely just send it.

[red plaza]

The healing is definitely underrated on it as well

[thorny pond]

theo + frost set = healer

[obtuse robin]

yea lastn ight progging on nurzul i did 14m in healing and 5m in giving other players absorbs

frost + theotar

in like 20 pulls

2k-2.5k hps

[winged basin]

Wait y’all be running Theo?

fatal flaw op doe

[obtuse robin]

for me theotar is higher when u roll crit

[winged basin]

Word, to the sims I go when I get home

[red plaza]

Probably next week maybe since Theo gets empowered conduit slot. I haven’t simmed it yet though

[obtuse robin]

and even if i didnt it loses by like 30 dps

[winged basin]

I’ve been getting agi buff from Theo tea so

[obtuse robin]

thats the worst one

[winged basin]

[obtuse robin]

profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"

to sim each buff

[winged basin]

Is the tea buff random?

am monke, probably a pin on it

[zinc frost]

Yeah it’s random

[thorny pond]

If you roll non crit change to nad

[buoyant kraken]

Anyone tried venth in pvp? How much worse than necro is it?

[surreal crypt]

@cedar star wwith frost build how many cel u Have? 22% maybe?

[fiery mauve]

#pvp for ass prob bad

Don’t generate too many cps

[cedar star]

Cel?

[nocturne geode]

if i was to go back to kyrian for a little bit would i still run frost set or unholy 🤔

[clever kindle]

Was there even data on what the empowered slots are, I couldnt find it any where

https://www.wowhead.com/news/empowered-conduits-coming-with-shadowlands-chains-of-domination-321044 Besides this which says 'more info coming' lol

[red plaza]

If you manually change your renown level in the simc data it will empower the slot in the som

[clever kindle]

That's just based off PTR info though right?

[red plaza]

I honestly have no idea other than number go up

[azure bronze]

They increase the rank of your conduits by 2 levels

So a 252 conduit becomes like 278 or something?

[clever kindle]

What does that mean for the built in conduit nodes?

[azure bronze]

So their effect becomes stronger

[red plaza]

They turn blue so you know they’re stronger

[clever kindle]

Sure I guess some just seem like they might be outrageously strong, but the article I linked said some many have other effects if I was reading that right

Either way I guess we'll see soon enough

[azure bronze]

It's from start of this year that article so they probably threw it away

Cause it was still early in development back then

[clever kindle]

The actual empowerment is still there haha, but maybe they had a concept for altering the abilities further

Man the power gap from last patch to this one feels bigger then 8.2 to end game 8.3

[pale plank]

Is dashing rank 6 a big difference from rank4? Or I can hold off upgrading it for now?

[spice spire]

You can hold. It’s not a huge diff

[pale plank]

Yea cuz the price for rank6 is no joke

[safe patrol]

which talent duo do you guys go for with the dashing frost build? usual ep vigor or bs deeper?

got served some stuff about bs deeper with that build but starting to second guess it while looking at logs

it obv sim way better but yeah

looking at top guy logs* not mine

[shadow pivot]

I was running ep/vigor with Doomblade as the difference wasn't that big and I disliked the very slow gameplay

but now with frost/dashing im running bs/deeper

Just a wild guess but the small extra energyregen from Dashing might make it stronger, atleast the sim diff is alot higher to me

[zinc frost]

Vigor/ep and bs/ds comes down to personal preference with most of the logs your seeing. I like running running bs/ds for guardian and vigor/ep for everything else.

[gusty mirage]

Play what you like boys

It is a game after all

[safe patrol]

indeed indeed. cheers. I do prefer the vigor playstyle myself yeah

[scenic meteor]

I enjoy vigor EP so much more

[shadow pivot]

ep/vigor is a 190dps loss w/ dashing -- 95 dps loss with Doomblade on my profile ( I also enjoy vigor EP alot more tho)

[spice spire]

No only optimized for AotC

[gusty mirage]

as long as you're not playing Master Poisoner

we won't make fun of you

promise

[spice spire]

But master poisoner with dashing crits

[gusty mirage]

I'll fucking cut you

[spice spire]

Think about the GIGA DAMAGE

[gusty mirage]

stack mastery & play MP for FAT 800 damage crits

[spice spire]

@ oshosi

[shadow pivot]

i meannn

master poisoner + lethal poison

is almost the same loss as ep/vigor

kek

[gusty mirage]

god damnit

it's actually viable

[shadow pivot]

and im running almost 0 mastery

[spice spire]

Just call me the theorycrafting god

[shadow pivot]

think about the possibilities

[burnt star]

Ep vigor lose less then what sims shows in reality btw

[spice spire]

Only making -247

[gusty mirage]

okay fine, I retract my previous statement. Play what you want unless its Exsanguinate

[burnt star]

The reason is beside gardian there are no patchwerk fight

[gusty mirage]

because Exsang literally blows donkey dong

[spice spire]

Don’t test me child

[gusty mirage]

Do it you won't. No balls

[spice spire]

Some feats actually impossible until haste actually 100+%

[gusty mirage]

bro exsang's worse than venom rush

absorb that for a second

[zinc frost]

I love having dead talents, feels good

[shadow pivot]

..

i didnt trust you

but you're actually right

depressing

[zinc frost]

Lots of variety in that talent row

[shadow pivot]

actually

running MP + mfd + crimson tempest

is less of a single target loss

then running exsang

[gusty mirage]

ded ded

[obtuse robin]

rework exsang for it to be an aoe finsher.

or to broken?

[surreal crypt]

@cedar star Haste sorr

[zinc frost]

Any rework would be nice

[fiery mauve]

just make it baseline

[zinc frost]

CT baseline first plsssss

[bleak sky]

vanished my first dark exile

[woeful meteor]

How big of a dps loss is it to never ct in single target or how can I sim it for myself

[hollow river]

It was around 80 dps last tier

[fallen arch]

Why would u wanna know

[hollow river]

Or something

[fallen arch]

It’s better to just maintain

[hollow river]

Could be diff now

[odd heath]

With dashing scoundrel, it is neutral

I asked on tc research some days ago about it

In some cases with add spawns, talented in ct, with dashing scoundrel, there are many st periods

And I thought that the benefits of envenom buffed would be higher than ct dmg

Turns out it is even

[hollow river]

CT in ST feels wonky

[surreal crypt]

whic is the cap of haste with build forst?

[hollow river]

Sim

No caps here

[woeful meteor]

just general interest and I want to know how bad I should feel when I envenom over ct in single target when the dot isnt up

[hollow river]

Do what sim tells you

[fervent rune]

What’s your guys haste at with 40%+ crit?

Just wondering. I’m at 34 crit 20 haste rn

[zinc frost]

With all my crit gear on, 46 crit and about 17 haste

[harsh lantern]

42 20

[cedar star]

I think I’m at like 36% crit, 625 haste rating I think?

[surreal crypt]

ive 38 crit / 15 haste

[lyric dock]

41/18

[plain thistle]

43/14

247 ilvl

[drowsy parcel]

45 22

[plain thistle]

[surreal crypt]

hahaha

[gusty mirage]

sounds about right, 245 ilvl 41% crit 16% haste

[winged basin]

Damn y’all got goated setups

I am 34% crit 13% haste 28% mastery

but it just keeps making me pickup crit, haste bad says the simulation man

[alpine latch]

OH BABY

https://www.wowhead.com/news/soultwining-crescent-and-death-bound-shard-will-grant-conduits-based-on-spec-323778

I know this is general news, but damn that's great.

They are increasing the drop rate - I wonder if that means that you can get more than one per week?

[winged basin]

That would be cool

Insert dinkleberg meme “THIS IS WHERE I WOULD PUT MY SOULTWINING… IF I HAD ANY.. DINKLEBERGGGGGGG”

[alpine latch]

I've gotten one from Torghast every week

But only one

[potent dagger]

Never get one

and clean adamant since it's available -_-

RNJesus hate me sob

[alpine latch]

I have a group I run with and we just run 3 and by the 3rd we all 5 have them

Is that not normal?

[zinc frost]

That’s a good change, thank god I can use this without cringing when I get an off spec conduit now

[alpine latch]

Yeah, it definitely cuts down how long I need to spend in Korthia now, which is nice.

[plain thistle]

nice, just used 60k catalog and bought 20 upgrades

2 days ago

[alpine latch]

Well, look at you being an overachiever

I made a spreadsheet to track how much Knowledge I need

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NP5F1A9-W_TwoEekrkkmB2zF1m53wrOTw0vbv5Krov4/edit?usp=sharing

I haven't updated my CR in days, but now I have to update it to track what spec they are for

[odd heath]

Me 4 days ago

4 out of 5 bis conduits 252, so I'm ok with it lol

[fallen arch]

Ya’ll some gamers. I feel like I do a looot of Kortia and I’m at like rank five and a couple percent

[plain thistle]

you probably didnt do everything every day, there is a lot of things that are outside of korthia

vessels in both invasions, things inside rift that are in the maw, a chest close to the weekly world boss

[fallen arch]

Oh ye I didn’t do all of it everyday

But to do all of it everyday, what’s that like 1,5h?

[soft shale]

i already got all 252 now its only socket time

[plain thistle]

probably something like that

[odd heath]

1-1.5h yes

[soft shale]

depends on rng for the portal rares if you wanna do them

[lavish lichen]

To so EVERYTHING

[soft shale]

also first week or so rift rares were kinda bugged

[lavish lichen]

certainly more than 2 hours

[soft shale]

not everything but like most of it

[lavish lichen]

Unless you’re insane idk

[soft shale]

if you wanted to do everything you would need to shard hop to get gorgers

[lavish lichen]

All rares, treasures and all that take a long as time

[soft shale]

lol no i usually do them in like 1 hour then the rest is waiting for the other teleporter

most of the time

[obtuse robin]

the only ones that take a long time r the portals

[soft shale]

maybe try to be more efficient with time

[lavish lichen]

Yea 1 hour for that is pretty significant imo

[odd heath]

I do all dailies, all treasures, all covenant rares and rares that spawn in the time I'm there. Also do rift and call it a day.

[soft shale]

not really tbh

[lavish lichen]

Just depends on your metrics I guess

[soft shale]

it usually took me like 3 h to do ap in bfa

[alpine latch]

Hell yeah man. I'm done with Korthia in like a week... I'm so happy.

[obtuse robin]

got enough for all 252 sockets?

[alpine latch]

Yup. With it being spec-specific now I need less than 16k

And I haven't updated my CR numbers in my spreadsheet since last week

I think I built this on Monday or Tuesday of this week, so that number is out of date

If you scroll up you can see my spreadsheet

[drowsy parcel]

can still get finesse and endurance conduits probably regardless of spec?

so probably more than 16k

[alpine latch]

I linked it just a few minutes ago

[alpine latch]

My spreadsheet takes this into account. Grab it, copy it to your Drive, and then drop in your conduit numbers/CR

[drowsy parcel]

aight cool ill take a look

[quaint carbon]

hey is there someone that could take a look at a log of an avg rogue? feels like i tried my hardest on guardian and just was "ok"

[spice spire]

Let’s see it

[quaint carbon]

https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fvq6Tn9QrAdVKNMG/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=2

i just knwo last flag/vendetta combo anyway

i fucked up*

[spice spire]

So my French is shit, so I’m going to need a little leeway here - never took the language, but it’s romantic at least.

Few questions, sorry. I see you used your IQD twice, but only got the buff once

[quaint carbon]

ohh wait where cani switch it up

[spice spire]

Did it happen to give another effect?

I tried going through normal wcl but you didn’t pull up

Second you missed a flag timing, remember sync unless you’ll miss a cast and you missed one 😦

[quaint carbon]

ah so i can pop flag if vendetta is in long time ?

[spice spire]

So it’s about gauging the fight. For that fight if it’s about 5 minutes you’ll have 4 casts of flag and 3 vendetta the entire fight so it’s fine to separate them. Because you’ll :
Flag at 5-10 s
Vendetta at same
Flag at 1:35-1:40
Vendetta at 2:05-2:10
Flag at 3:05-3:10
Vendetta at 4:05-4:10
Flag at 4:35-4:40.

Now if you speed that kill up 20 seconds It’s significantly worse to separate them

[quaint carbon]

okay i see, ive never thought about it even though its in faq, got used to sync bot everytime. was doing it wrong all the time since CN

[spice spire]

It also legitimately may be better to go bs/DS on that fight alone. Even if EP/vig is preference

No worries

[quaint carbon]

so ty vm, ima try next times and see wassup

[spice spire]

Get em gamer

Best of luck

[zinc frost]

Look at this wholesome dude

[alpine latch]

Man, I hope someone uses my Conduit spreadsheet... lol

[thin trout]

252 dagger vs 246 heroic edge of night, what do u put on MH?

[cursive silo]

sim

[alpine latch]

Every sim I've seen is 252 dagger MH, Heroic EoN in the OH

But sim yourelf

[vestal wren]

higher itemlevel mh

[zinc frost]

^

[wintry mica]

I know I'm late to the party but in that instance you should actually save the last vendetta to sync with flag if you aren't going to get another cast before the boss dies

[spice spire]

Sure - knowing that you’ll get full benefit

[wintry mica]

yep, which is tough to do in a real situation when you are watching the bosses hp drop

unless your team is very consistent each week

[paper blaze]

yo guys frost set is doing better than unholy right?

[plain thistle]

yes if you have the gear for it

[paper blaze]

im 225 rn with like 35% crit

[idle star]

Our outlaw rogue with rabk 4 frost is shredding. So many bosses suite outlaw duento blade flurry. Just pops it and goes to town.

[slow marsh]

26 runs of PF and finally got a phial. Didn't think I would see the day

[idle star]

Rank*

[undone eagle]

How do i open in m+ as necro sin?

i feel like throwing bone spikes at wrong timing..

[pale plank]

U need more crits, but that will come with higher ilvl gear

[paper blaze]

sol wich one should i upgrade now? the unholy one meanwhile?

[pine grove]

Tough call. Because 35% is when the scale started to tip for me. And that was R3 frost vs R4 unholy.

Personally, I'd hold off for frost at that point. I spent more than I did on unholy so I'm a little bit behind where I could be. Unholy is still fantastic, but I could be better.

spent more than I should*

[thin trout]

cant wait for r5

[slow marsh]

Open with garrotes then sbs into CT/ruptures

On lower keys (up to 15/16) You'll pretty much spend the whole time spreading your bleeds and then it will just die

[obsidian socket]

I personally sim higher with 32% crit and like 20% haste idk why but the sims don’t lie? R4 frost and no dashing scoundrel currently tho just r6 bloodstain

[onyx fable]

Is EP/NS/MfD/CT the way to go for AoE?

[pine grove]

Oh yeah, that's a definite possibility. At R3 frost and R4 unholy frost was slightly ahead, but there's obviously other factors at play as well. 😄

[slow marsh]

It's not far behind subt for zold / MA so just up to you really

[onyx fable]

What would you recommend for Obedience?

[slow marsh]

EP/subt/MfD or vigor

MfD is technically better but if you struggle with energy management or don't get resets/snipes then vigor

[hollow river]

Suite outlaw duento

[onyx fable]

ty sir

[slow marsh]

Np

[winter vapor]

we go PB instead of CT for Dashing right? Does that even count for say KT etc? (ie not switching back to Doomblade)

[wintry mica]

you go pb for ST regardless of lego

[winter vapor]

well yes, but the nine for cleave, Remnant KT for movement etc

So I guess my question is it ever worth switching lego's as well as talents for fights

[wintry mica]

yea

like I would go obe on some fights since dashing is really more for ST it seems

[hollow river]

Dashing was literally better for 2 target cleave than doomblade before the frost shit

[frail prism]

Hey guys, is the frost dom gem bonus really better than the unholy one? Got all my unholys at rank 3 with frosts still at 1 (and still no shoulder piece for the frost bonus).. How big is the difference?

[hollow river]

Idk about compared to Obe

[wintry mica]

frost will outscale unholy as you gear

[hollow river]

Check subtlety channel pins for “bis” gear sims of each shard bonus

[pine grove]

Frost scales super hard with crit. I simmed my R3 frost and R4 unholy and frost wins by 103 DPS, plus you get the added benefit of shields.

[hollow river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/penHrmUrGeLTZ4P6zSsFhd/simc

[hollow river]

Check that link. Besides that you must sim yourself when you get shoulders

[frail prism]

Yeah yeah, will do!

Cheers for responses

[hollow river]

[frail prism]

Just wondering if it's worth upgrading frosts right now, (my crit is pretty meh atm too) or if I should prio unholy to 5 since I'm already comitted there

Hard to compare with no shoulder piece

[hollow river]

I would wait

And get shoulders

Me personally

But

Idk if u are progressing mythic

Maybe u decide differently

Farm normal every week for shoulders

[strange python]

question bout roug sin st (frost build)
do u recommend to waste 4combo points or always 5?

[hollow river]

4 is fine

Never mutilate if u have 4

[plain thistle]

max - 1 like always

[strange python]

kk thx fam

[plain thistle]

nothing changes because you changed domination socket or legendary

[strange python]

okay

[hollow river]

4/5 vigor 5/6 deeper strat

[strange python]

tysm!

[undone eagle]

Sbs = spike bones?

Sorry dumb question just wanna make sure 😇

[thorny pond]

Yes

[undone eagle]

Alright I get the point, thanks

I used to 3x garrote + fok, felt like smth was wrong since i got sbs instead 🤔

[slow marsh]

Yeah you use sbs to build cp when available instead of fok

[deft widget]

so do we use dashing or db with frost set

getting back into sin so im trying to figure things out

purely st btw

[oak sky]

its possible that with doomblade and lower crit that unholy will sim higher

[paper blaze]

so for ST with frost set ur going dashing insted of Doomblade and for aoe u are still going for obidience right? or doomblade got better

[west cove]

how long it takes to grind 0 to 55ish renown ?

[paper blaze]

couple of hours

like half a day XD

[west cove]

how tho

what is the order like doing m0s to normal raid etc?

[frigid sleet]

do entry campaign to like 5, spam torghast to 39ish, do the guaranteed drops + campaign

[west cove]

i'll do with another alt than rog so torghast is kinda scuffed i suppose kek

[frigid sleet]

still doable a friend did that with a warrior, take a bit more time but still doable

lets hope your alt is NE

[heady drum]

Yo the fuck is happening to trinket sims in SOD, last week when i simmed droptimizer none of the trinkets were better than what I have and now the Guardian one is a 250+ dps increase..........

I got 252 phial and 246 totem

Even Decanter is 130dps increase now

[obtuse robin]

cuz of frost

crit

crit

and more crit

[heady drum]

damn. really? they scale that well with crit? the trinkets that is

[obtuse robin]

yea titan trinket to

iqd to

[heady drum]

im going to try resimming and see if something went wack that was just crazy

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n7NadYbRTqWEnoriUCL48T

now its back to before... 0.2% increase

wtf

[obtuse robin]

link the other one

[heady drum]

I lost it lmao

one moment

ahhh it was a dungeon slice sim lmao

[obtuse robin]

[frigid sleet]

[heady drum]

[obtuse robin]

but yea the other trinkets still gain value

[heady drum]

its late

[obtuse robin]

cuz of crit

just u have good trinkets already

[heady drum]

ye = )

[obtuse robin]

that titan trinket used ot be worse then totem tho now with frost itsb etter

[heady drum]

I'd love to just run 2 passive trinkets

[timid talon]

Decanter is pretty solid now too, once you're above 40% crit that thing is always up

[obtuse robin]

the only on use i prefer is iqd cuz of juicy opener

all the other trinkets dont gain from ur cd's

titan is 2nd boss and drops like 5 times a raid

so ez

[alpine garden]

yeah decanter outsims totem and ocular for me

[wide ridge]

holy shit the conduit upgrade thing buff is insane

[frigid sleet]

decanter as in the trinket from halls ?

[obtuse robin]

no from soulrender

[frigid sleet]

aaah right

[obtuse robin]

how do u sim that

[wide ridge]

oh I meant this: "Soultwining Crescent and Death-Bound Shard Will Grant Conduits Based on Spec Instead of Class"

[obtuse robin]

oh

[heady drum]

When is this happening?

[wide ridge]

next reset

[heady drum]

king shit

some good news

[wide ridge]

good thing i didnt spend all my archivist currency

[heady drum]

imagine being rank 6 codex

[icy ember]

[wide ridge]

Hahahah yeah I got rank 6 today

garbage ass grind

[obtuse robin]

not only r6 but have gotten the paragon chest once already

ya slacking

[wide ridge]

imagine having a rep grind that is RNG based

[oak sky]

god damn

im t4

i dont do every rare and chest though

[oak sky]

i just do dailies and whatever i find along the way

[heady drum]

im kind of impressed with people who had the patience to just fucking sit around in korthia and kill rares and pick up chests

[wide ridge]

the trick is to go inside rift everyday to open the 4 chests in there everyday

really adds up

i started doing that kinda late

[oak sky]

that sounds like a good idea

[heady drum]

huh

they are way bigger than normal chests or?

[wide ridge]

yeah they give me more purple turn ins

[gusty mirage]

yeah the rift chests are better than the outside chests

[wide ridge]

100 and 150 ones

[obtuse robin]

not only that but the chest in the rift in the maw

adds up

[oak sky]

bro im not tryna go to the maw

[wide ridge]

you mean the one to venari?

[obtuse robin]

no

the stolen anima vessals

[heady drum]

the maw stay dead

[wide ridge]

ah yeah that

[heady drum]

fuck that

[obtuse robin]

they r easier then the korthia ones lol

[wide ridge]

do the stolen anima vessels refresh everyday? felt like i found them one day but didn't on the following day

[obtuse robin]

no refresh with assult

they r not everyday

[frigid sleet]

I had no idea about rift chest, gotta go check where the rift & the chest in it are

[obtuse robin]

2 chest in normal and 3 in rift

every assult refresh

[wide ridge]

ah

gotcha

worst thing about rift is the fucking mobs rooting you

[heady drum]

stealth hours

[wide ridge]

good thing we have stealth plus vanish, otherwise thats a big yikes

[obtuse robin]

other then that just learn the tp times and the shade elites timers and order

its so easy

for us

[heady drum]

the what now

[obtuse robin]

the tp timers

and

the rift elites spawn in order every 20 mins

silent > deadsoul>shade

learn that and its even easier

froget about relwik

forget about zel

and ver

do everything else unless u see them pop off

[frigid sleet]

do you remember how much you'd get each day ?

[obtuse robin]

and get the bear whistle

or toy w/e

2-2.5k daily

[low grail]

If you chill at that venth assault quest where the giant is yanking stuff out of torghast, he'll eventually pull out a vendor who sells the group Rift keys for 100 stygia. Easy way to do the rift stuff in the maw. That or during Nightfae assuly.

[echo geyser]

what now?

[obtuse robin]

u can also just enter the rift in korthia and run to the maw

[echo geyser]

he sells an item for 100 stygia

that does what?

[obtuse robin]

easier then doing zavools cherst

[low grail]

It's the group rift keys

[echo geyser]

ah

[frigid sleet]

mate you all talking about stuff I had not a clue about

[low grail]

Not sure how that text got so borked. Saves you from having to run from korthia when you have 50 group rift keys.

Or having to do zovaals chest to get them.

[obtuse robin]

we dropping korthia game

dont prioritize stuff like consumtion fleshwing popo etc

focus the rarer ones

rift bosses tp's special spawns

and get that

broken

[frigid sleet]

do you use a specific addon for all timer & rift chest location

[obtuse robin]

handynotes

silver dragon

silver dragon for timers

and u can see spawns other ppl in ur guild see on diff shards

and get goblin gliders

thats about everything

[echo geyser]

gunshoes are good too if u have some spare gold

[obtuse robin]

tru i need me some of those

[echo geyser]

whistle into gunshoes take u across whole map

[buoyant fossil]

Did something change with how shadowstep works on eotj? felt like I ended up in random places when I could consistently do it before

[alpine garden]

its been taking me slightly left of center recently

[buoyant fossil]

Oh you know what, I think was targeting the add when I ss'd. derp

[restive wing]

hi in assa should go for Unholy or frost ?

[winged basin]

how much you guys usually get for overall in MoTS?

I did 9.3k being our only soothe and feel like I couldve done more

[plain thistle]

sim, but if you have really good gear you go frost

[plain thistle]

did a 21 mists 2-3 days ago, my overall was 10.5k-11k (cant remember exactly)

but my group was a hunter and a moonkin, didnt need to hold shiv to soothe

[winged basin]

Ahh word

[arctic hare]

Welp, Normal sylvanus is down, and the one time I kill her I get the last unholy shard I needed

[cedar star]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/afJ1vykiAs2ADyXAPSlvtGGBURl-dJK7Os4a1RHAytc/https/i.imgur.com/7VzHcNV.mp4

Lmao this is what happens when you Whirling Dragon Punch in the air after taking the chain on Eye

You just…. Float back the way you came and die

[buoyant fossil]

oi can you pre-cloak the malevolence on remnant and stop one from spawning on you

[icy ember]

do you recommend doing this on mythic?

cuz it is bad because two of them spawn on peeps

[buoyant fossil]

Maybe not mythic

[limber lion]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[smoky bluff]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[fading mason]

Should i craft dashing or doomblade as venthyr with rank 4frost

On 262 item lvl

[limber lion]

[timid talon]

both

[arctic walrus]

@limber lion hey big fan, you do log reviews?

[limber lion]

i slep

[arctic walrus]

yikes man this class discord sucks literally just get told to read a pin from 5 months ago and community figures refuse to have a conversation

[limber lion]

kill me

[velvet nacelle]

well, at 34% crit it looks like winds is about 10% of my dps

but man dashing feels great

it's not a TON more energy, but it's noticeable

[hollow river]

o:

i like that not using CT in ST with dashing is dps neutral

i need to craft it

[velvet nacelle]

it's the only 262 i've made so far

[hollow river]

i haven't decided on a 262 yet

[velvet nacelle]

i waited to let balance changes settle and stuff

[hollow river]

i play all 3 specs so i'm indecisive

[velvet nacelle]

oh yeah, if i was multispec'ing now i probably would have done obedience first

[hollow river]

i have Obe, Doomblade, Cele, Finality all 235

[velvet nacelle]

same, except celerity

my celerity is like 195 haha

[hollow river]

my cele is from 9.0

on shoulders

[velvet nacelle]

i'm so done with outlaw in m+ though

[hollow river]

[velvet nacelle]

2 straight expansions was enough

assassination is competitive enough and more fun for me right now

[hollow river]

i just started playing not long ago but it's definitely not my favorite lol

but it's the more competitive choice

also good in every dungeon, unlike sub

l:

[drowsy hollow]

AoE bleeds is more fun to me that whatever outlaw is doing

[hollow river]

it's more fun but like

it can be very back end loaded damage

whereas sub and outlaw can burst they're dps immediately

sin has to build up its bleeds on everything

i think i always try to rupture too many mobs though

[drowsy hollow]

eh, a lot of it gets rolling the moment you get your first crimson tempest out

[hollow river]

where i should be envenoming because im energy saturated

[drowsy hollow]

I think rupture still does more damage if the mob lives the duration

Right?

[hollow river]

yeah but they usually don't

ill spread like 3 cp ruptures

if i know the pack will barely last them

[velvet nacelle]

that's why we kind of come into our own on bigger keys

[hollow river]

but it feels pointless

[velvet nacelle]

doing low keys suuuucks for our damage

[hollow river]

i'm speaking of 15s

[velvet nacelle]

i feel like 15s are kind of right on the edge of it, depending on the rest of the group

17 feels like the magic spot for me

[hollow river]

when the rest of your group does 20k per pack immediately on pull

i have no time

[terse talon]

if im venth and maining assa in raid but want to try outlaw in m+, is theo for outlaw the way to go?

[hollow river]

if you don't play sub

sim it

[terse talon]

ive done it much but tbh dont mike sub in m+

like

yeah I know but it was just a more general opinion

[hollow river]

i use nadjia for sin, theo sub, and just use draven for outlaw

opinion is

if you dont play sub much

simsimsim

[terse talon]

i know i know

[hollow river]

no idea what is better

for your profile

[terse talon]

hehe I know, but im not looking into minmaxing the outlaw build so just checking for any general opinion

[hollow river]

#outlaw

[terse talon]

its just I hate playing outlaw

[hollow river]

then play something else

O:

[terse talon]

I am 🙂

[hollow river]

conflicting

statements

[terse talon]

yepp very

[junior rampart]

I have a question for m+ as a sin rogue. If there are pack of 5-6 mobs and should I be spreading rup on all of them or maintain only on 3-4 is enough and hit enve when energy cap.

[velvet nacelle]

the magic number you often hear is 5 dots between garrote and rupture

that's kind of the break point where you're getting energy back as fast as you can spend it

more ruptures = more damage though so it's not a hard cap

i basically go for 2-3 finishers between CT's

so "that many" ruptures is my sweet spot

[cursive silo]

Id assume as with every dot spec ever you dot everything that won’t die in like 5 seconds

[velvet nacelle]

i'll even sometimes throw a rupture on a low target just for the energy refund

turning 25 energy into a full bar is dope

[cursive silo]

Yea i meant after that cap ofc

[junior rampart]

Thank you both. I will try to change the rotation a bit.

[cursive silo]

Dot dot dot

Press shiv

Enjoy

Assa 101

[junior rampart]

But it feels bad to play sin in below 15 keys. Mobs die even before the dmg ticks.

[cursive silo]

Ye

[zinc frost]

Yeah but we make up for it in boss damage even in 20/21 keys

Mages/ele shammies might pop off and do 40k burst in the first pack but we can pull off 12-15k mostly every pack

[junior rampart]

Would it be better to run triple conduit nadija or duelist for m+?

[plush garnet]

Do you just want to use salvaged fusion amplifier on CD?

[hollow river]

as long as you'll get the 20 seconds of attacks on a target, yes

[hollow river]

simsimsim

[junior rampart]

I should sim it selecting dslice?

[hollow river]

yeah if simming for m+

[velvet nacelle]

has anyone tried wearing a cloth offset piece to wear 2 sets?

because that would be so goood

worth 3% main stat

[cursive silo]

Doesnt work

[hollow river]

i think that worked at one point

but was fixed

[velvet nacelle]

aww

[winged basin]

idk whose been following this fun adventure of my RL telling us we are going to outgear heroic sylv and just not clear it. All of the officers just got aotc and there are some unhappy campers, people are finally starting to speak up, hopefully this means we get a chance at progging it soon

[velvet nacelle]

we just got to heroic sylv tonight, 4 pulls but we got to p2

i'm actually surprised, our raid average ilvl is only 237. we had to outgear heroic nath to get AOTC

[balmy condor]

now the fun begins

p2 and p3 are the actual fight

[velvet nacelle]

i know poeple were doing it much lower

yeah, i don't know how people are dying in p1 right now but it was th eend of a full reclear night so i'll just write it off to fatigue

[balmy condor]

yeh

[velvet nacelle]

unfortunately i have to miss our raid night tomorrow but hopefully they'll knock it out

[balmy condor]

p1 is basically just a target dummy with swirls on the ground

I actually hate it

waste of time

[velvet nacelle]

agreed

[main wharf]

^

[balmy condor]

and then she does like 2 minutes of intermission

[velvet nacelle]

my ilvl parses are all ~20 above my total parses

need to start getting some damn gear

[main wharf]

what? you don't enjoy the artificially inflated boss fight times? 🙂

[velvet nacelle]

it feels so arbitrary

[main wharf]

it is

[velvet nacelle]

but because there's room for error, my guild is gonna find that room for error

and we'll have to burn a bres in p1 or something

though i shouldn't talk shit right now, we just had our cleanest night ever on the reclear

fatescribe is usually a hard wall for us

i get so tired of wiping to the runes

[main wharf]

my guild couldn't get past soulrender unless we had cracked out healers

[velvet nacelle]

we hadn't even pulled kt before tonight

only took 3 pulls, though kt isn't really that hard a fight

[main wharf]

ive been pugging with the same group for 3 weeks now

[velvet nacelle]

i mean we 1 shot kt on normal with no explanation

it was an accidental pull

[main wharf]

went from 10+ pulls on kt no kill, next week was 2 pulls

this week 1 pull

[velvet nacelle]

sounds like you guys are forming a guild heh

[main wharf]

yeah got some aotcs tonight

[velvet nacelle]

if you get along and play with them consistently, i'd say make that shit permanent

if you like it put a ring on it

[main wharf]

just swapped from unholy to frost, didn't really notice any difference but i did adequate as sin on it 🙂

[velvet nacelle]

i'm slightly sad that we didn't get aotc tonight but, like i said, 2 and a half hour full reclear + 1 new boss and some sylv pulls is good enough

i just want aotc out of the way for a few weeks so we can focus on mythic

my parses went up a little, going from unholy to frost

but i don't have a ton of crit or r4 frost

i'm only at 35% crit

fatescribe helm + sylv chest and ring would be the dream

[main wharf]

a dh in the group had a 252 belt, but still rolled on the soulrender belt saying he "needed the crit for his frost set" and he didnt even have the frost set ready

on heroic

sylvanas ring

[velvet nacelle]

i mean, people are gonna greed their loot

even in a guild of friends

in vanilla we had a guy, close group of friends that had been gaming for over a decade, he ninja'd an item then sent out $20 gift cards to everyone in the group

p sure it was premeditated

he knew he wanted it and had prepared to send money out

oh interesting

i have not nearly enough data to draw a meaningful conclusion

but it looks like 33% crit had my winds at ~10% damage per fight

[soft shale]

wait until mythic where she does like 1 min of rives

for no reason

but to pad

[velvet nacelle]

35% had it at slightly above 11%

that kinda tracks, i think someone was in here with like 42% posting logs where winds was 15% of his damage

i need some crit bracers, tarragrue needs to stop being a lil bitch

[sand totem]

I just had to re-install but didnt save my addon folders and nuked my UI. Anyone have opinions on pre-made ui's?

[grim parcel]

elvui

[terse talon]

I have 44% crit

[fading adder]

40% and it averages 13% ish

[velvet nacelle]

i need crit on my helm, chest and bracers at all

those are my last 3 slots without crit

sylv ring of course helps but i have crit on rings already so i'm less focused on that

[hollow river]

just rebuild it how you like it. changing to elvui out of nowhere can be rough. always save that interface folder somewhere so you can just import all back over.

[sick aspen]

Are we able to get 278 ilvl conduits? I noticed on simulationcraft they use 278 ones

[fallen arch]

Think that is with the empowered rows

[sick aspen]

Ah yeah, that's prob it

[arctic hare]

Wait

Empowered 278?

God I can't even imagine that

[hollow river]

think u get that from max renown or something

[arctic hare]

at 64 we get all of the first row of conduits enhanced...

[steel ridge]

Wait what?

[arctic hare]

At renown 64, the entirety of venthyr conduits first row is enhanced as it says

[steel ridge]

Enhanced means +26 itemlvl?

[soft shale]

yes

[idle star]

Got aorc last night. Fatescribe was a 1 shot with almost 30 ppl and then we only wiped on aylv a few times. Woot

Aotc*

[thin trout]

so about the dashing scoundrel legendary, do we change our gameplay a bit so we try to keep envenom up 100% of the time and use FoK on adds we normally don't touch? like for example the balls at painsmith

[balmy condor]

no

[steel ridge]

i mean you can throw a FoK there for CP

[balmy condor]

yeah you can do that

but that's not a change in playstyle

[steel ridge]

nope, its not

[thin trout]

ah true

so what about keeping envenom up?

[steel ridge]

keeping envenom up should be beneficiary either way

what exactly would you do different?

[thin trout]

might lose some energy for a full energy shiv combo

[steel ridge]

i mean, shouldnt you finish something every 4 seconds either way

since you only rupture like once every 25 seconds, you should have plenty envenoms in there

[fallen arch]

Whisp

Oh nvm

[balmy condor]

[indigo mulch]

[fallen arch]

How is dashing in m+?

It sims similar to my zoldyck

[indigo mulch]

Zoldycks is bae tho

:/

[fallen arch]

But I can only upgrade one of them to rank 6 this week

Sim for dslice that is

[idle star]

So our outlaw rogue is getting 55k+ frost crits with rank 4 and as assass rank 3 im only getting like 27k

[indigo mulch]

I'm getting 40~48k crits with r4

My crit is pretty low though

[dim temple]

what do people most play now. Vent or neco? just get back after been away for like 5 weeks

[indigo mulch]

I'm pretty sure you can play both?

Min max st? Venthyr

[royal lantern]

if you are more focused on raiding venthyr

if you are more focused on m+ necro

both work for both content

[dim temple]

ok ty 🙂

[oak sky]

phial, i missed you babe

[wheat whale]

Hey guys,
i simmed it quite often. for me, at least, it seems that havning 5 dom sockets isnt that helpful at all. when i am playing frost, there seems to be no reason at all to wear a Dom-socketed Chest and Helm. If I pick a good M+ Piece in those slots with BIS stats is always 200-300DPS more than running a mediocre piece with DomSocket and Damage Gem

[balmy condor]

You’re out of your mind

[fallen arch]

Whisp tilting

[alpine garden]

https://c.tenor.com/ZpwBuHTR7IwAAAAM/shiba-inu.gif

[balmy condor]

This man deadass thinking 13 ilvl is 2% total damage

Must be trolling

There’s no way

[thin coral]

Anyone got a winds of winter WeakAura?
I like to be able to see when it's going to proc and how much it has accumulated. 🙂

[fallen arch]

I would love to see the sims tho

[balmy condor]

There’s tons on wago

[fallen arch]

I don’t think he’s trolling

But he must be doing something wrong

[thin coral]

I found one but it worked for a day, now it's broken

[balmy condor]

try another I guess

[balmy condor]

He’s probably just like

Not simming gems

[fallen arch]

Ye

[wheat whale]

maybe, i dunno

[balmy condor]

But like even if he isn’t simming gems

200-300 dps

Is straight lunacy

Like 60 I get

Sure

But what kind of ilvl difference are we talking here

LFR to 252?

That’s probably 200

But ye

You’re insane if you think dyz and bek aren’t worth it

Actually checked into a mental asylum

[fallen arch]

So again, can you show sims?

[wheat whale]

Hmm. maybe i fucked something up during the sim. cannot reproduce. now its not even that much

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5EyGsWfqgk1uuusKGtBBbD

[balmy condor]

What level gem is in that chest

I’m on mobile

[wheat whale]

3

[balmy condor]

Bek?

[novel arrow]

@balmy condor Hi! Do we have any specifics on how empowered conduits will work?

[balmy condor]

It empowers the slot, when a conduit is empowered by the slot it gains 2 ranks

[wheat whale]

sure

[novel arrow]

ahh 2 ranks. ok .

[balmy condor]

No like is the gem bek