assassination

[kind talon]

is this true quaker

wait

[spice spire]

Sin/UHDK/Ele

[kind talon]

did u not pull the lieutenant thru the door?

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

the executioner

[spice spire]

Couldn’t

[kind talon]

[spice spire]

DH said he couldn’t do it

[gusty mirage]

Unholy DK could

[spice spire]

Dk*

[kind talon]

......

[gusty mirage]

Well there’s your first mistake

[spice spire]

Yeah I thought so too

[gusty mirage]

Don’t run with DKs

[spice spire]

He’s a guildie

[alpine latch]

gquit

[kind talon]

gquit

[alpine latch]

lol

[lavish lichen]

Bruh

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I had plenty of guildies want to run keys with me last season

[zinc frost]

Yeah controlling a pet is hard guys cmon

[lavish lichen]

Legit just open spell book and send pet

[kind talon]

giving out that free carry life oxi?

[gusty mirage]

Lasted a grand total of 2 keys before that offer was rescinded

[zinc frost]

More buttons to press

[lavish lichen]

Also

[alpine latch]

Can I run keys with you this season?

[lavish lichen]

ELE can do it TOO!!

LUL

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[alpine latch]

YES!

Who else feels like a winner?

[kind talon]

@gusty mirage

what about me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/743528143276605451.gif?v=1

currently pepeblushing

[spice spire]

I carry lowers and get hard carried higher by some actual cracked group ones our guild

[gusty mirage]

You’re already ahead of the pack my friend, we bnet friendos

[kind talon]

[spice spire]

Lowers being 15s

[zinc frost]

Can’t be worse then the fury warrior my guild does 15 carries for that does 3.5k overall in halls

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Had a boomie deal 3.1 overall in a 13 sanguine and just

[gusty mirage]

Was he afk?

[low oar]

What's the key to sin AOE? Is it just keeping low CP ruptures up on everything? I can't seem to break like 7.5k overall on some dungeons

[gusty mirage]

He can spread moonfire and Sunfire and do that

[kind talon]

3.5 overall in carries?

?????

[low oar]

My single target is insane but my AoE is lacking

[kind talon]

my guy should get banned

[zinc frost]

They aren’t meant to be carries hahaha.

[alpine latch]

I just need KSM and to get my dagger and Phial from PF to boost them both to 246.

[gusty mirage]

Open 3x garrotes, put up ruptures on everything, keep up CT, and envenom to keep slice and dice up

[kind talon]

do you use crimson tempesT?

[low oar]

Yeah

I keep that up too

[gusty mirage]

Also stack as much crit as possible

[kind talon]

^^

crit is OPOP

[low oar]

It just seems like even if I do everything right my AoE DPS is very underwhelming

[gusty mirage]

Because 1-2cp fan of knives just kills your soul

[spice spire]

Unsure king. Rogues making me toxic flaming guildies smh

[limber lion]

It's not really rocket science.

You just press garrote on cooldown, keep CT/SnD up and Rupture everything.

That's it.

[jolly comet]

Echoing Blades 😭

[low oar]

I'm at like 28% crit 32% haste unbuffed

[limber lion]

That's fine

[gusty mirage]

Also assa damage isn’t as front loaded as other classes. So if you have blasters in your group it’ll hard to keep up with them if trash dies quick

[low oar]

Just tired of seeing mages and boomkins at like 9k overall while I'm at like 7.5k-8k

[limber lion]

If you do consistent 10k+ dps in aoe packs, you're solid.

You don't need to get to 20k

[zinc frost]

At least our damage is pretty consistent tho, which I love

[limber lion]

because that will not happen for sin.

[low oar]

Even though I'm doing 7.5k single target lmao

[limber lion]

Our damage is consistent

It's 10k in every pack

[jolly comet]

are yall using zoldyk this week?

[limber lion]

Not 30k in one and then 4k for the next 2

[low oar]

Okay that makes sense

[gusty mirage]

Rogue damage is literally “slow and steady wins the race”

[limber lion]

Zoldyck every week.

[alpine latch]

Most people use Zoldyck every week for every dungeon. It's rare for anyone to deviate

[gusty mirage]

There will be pulls you get absolutely leveled on meters

[alpine latch]

I'm considering making r6 Zoldyck beore r6 Dashing

[limber lion]

Like I'm 245 ilvl with my mythic set

[gusty mirage]

But you’ll just be chugging along

[bleak sun]

Using obedience every dg

[limber lion]

And my 222 ilvl demon hunter friends

were topping me on aoe packs

20+ ilvl less and still doing more than me on some packs

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

But in overall I did 4k more than them

[low oar]

I use obedience. Having flagellation every pull is nice

[jolly comet]

yea ive been using obe this season guess ill have to try zol out again

[limber lion]

That's just how the spec works.

[bleak sun]

Maximum brain is getting ton of flag stacks then stand in aoe to pursue dps

[zinc frost]

Getting beaten by ashen hpals on the first pull too 😝

But that’s okay

[spice spire]

Did a 19 DoS on Tuesday mistimed because I inted hard and died 3-4 times. Anyway, on ardenweald that was done entirely in three pulls. I’d max at 22k but evened out at about 14-17

[lavish lichen]

Play sub ez pump in dos

[zinc frost]

I love that pull, it’s my fav. Unless extra birdies get pulled..

[kind talon]

sub is p good for dos, can ez kill ur totem too

[spice spire]

All birds pulled

[zinc frost]

Spicy I love it hahaha

[crude jetty]

Could someone help me address my 2 target cleave dps (or lack there of)?

From what I see, (1) I sit with either overcapped or high resources the entire fight but not sure if that's a concern (2) delaying vendetta hurt and (3) I may have cleave priority/rotation incorrect (i.e. keep rupture up on second target over envenom during shiv window?).

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FVD6PbZXBAc7y2JR#fight=11&type=casts&source=105&view=timeline

[zinc frost]

When all the birds are pulled

[wary hatch]

Hey guys! at gearscore 231 my unhloy rank 3 set is 100dps ahead of rank 3 frost set. 21%haste 26% crit

Am i supposed to stack crit for frost set? when does frost gets ahead of unholy?

[zinc frost]

Yeah more crit will help.

[rancid pier]

Believe you need scoundrel legendary with frost set too

[zinc frost]

You can still run it without dashing.

Doomblade for me sims decently with frost

[hazy saffron]

Hello, i struggle to find rogue logs with two edge of night, if someone have that under hand.

[slow marsh]

that's because they dont exist

[dark token]

Delay vendetta until you have dots on both targets

[alpine latch]

The only ones who'd use double EoN would be rogues that have 2 Mythic daggers, and unless Cev is hiding them, I don't know that those rogues exist. Also, if the character does exist, they probably don't have public logs.

[dark token]

Your MA will crit more and you have energy to spend

[kind turtle]

does it matter if you have Celestial Guidance/Sinful Revelation on main-hand/off-hand? Like does it matter which goes on which

[alpine latch]

It shouldn't, no.

If it does, it's insanely minimal

[crude jetty]

Would that include garrote on both?

[polar ice]

Cev, u on sir?

[alpine latch]

Probably running something. He was chatting a bit ago

[polar ice]

thk u sir

[kind talon]

what do u need

[polar ice]

hey man, i think i got it, just found & switched to your plater profile. Just looking to increase the scale of just enrage on boss for m+

[kind talon]

ah ok, cant help you there, hope someone can help u tho

[alpine latch]

ugh - that should be easy but I don't have the game in front of me so I can't help there.. Sorry dude

[fallow glacier]

This isn’t true, you should open normally on one target with vend and tunnel that target until vend runs out in lust, without lust you should garrote the other target as soon as it comes off cooldown

[dark token]

Seems like a waste to not have dots on the 2nd target for 30s...

[true mesa]

doomblade or dashing for mythic sylv?

[dark token]

What

[fallow glacier]

Why would it be? You’re throwing all your damage onto your vendetta target

With lust you won’t need the energy

And without it the garrote should keep you going

[dark token]

Adding an additional rupture and garrote is more dmg than +20% on your current rupture and garrote

[fallow glacier]

Plus you know, the envenoms you’re losing?

[dark token]

You lose one envenom

[fallow glacier]

Ok, you’re also delaying your vendetta unnecessarily

Look at any log on the nine

[dark token]

Checking the sim, with lust, after vanish MA window you garrote and rupture 2nd target

[limber lion]

Link the sim.

[dark token]

On the nine specifically you don't lust on pull so that's not the case

[limber lion]

You rupture the secondary target after your Shiv ends

[dark token]

Ye

[limber lion]

Not after the MA window.

That still means that you'll be getting your rupture up when Vendetta has like 8 seconds remaining

[dark token]

Delaying vendetta by a couple seconds isn't a problem if you don't lose a usage, fyi

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ufKXhUoejdfvqmf14x8s9W

[limber lion]

Delaying Vendetta also delays Vanish/Shiv/Flag

[dark token]

looks like its garrote during shiv window, rupture after shiv window

[limber lion]

So you need to keep that all in mind.

[limber lion]

Yes it is.

You said it uses Rupture after the MA window

Which is incorrect.

[dark token]

Well technically after shiv window is also after MA window 😅

But yes I see your point

[limber lion]

No it's not?

[dark token]

It's a bit later than I thought

[limber lion]

Shiv window is 9s

MA window is the first 3s of Shiv

So you still hold off using Rupture for 6s

Definitely not the same thing

[dark token]

this is also the top Nine log btw

https://i.imgur.com/7Hoivgz.png

[royal lantern]

@limber lion whats the bot command for deathly shadows again

[limber lion]

!deathly but it doesn't work for assa.

[dark token]

this is the top venthyr nine log

https://i.imgur.com/2gi5Kx4.png

[limber lion]

You do realize that opener literally doesn't matter as much as you think?

[dark token]

yeah

[limber lion]

It's literally like 20dps if that

They would be r1

Even if they did an awful opener

They would be r1 with a correct opener

And r1 with a scuffed opener

Like it doesn't matter

[dark token]

i agree in general openers don't matter much , however i do think it is more slightly dps to bleed both targets on pull if lust isnt used, before using the vendetta/flag/shiv/vanish etc.

5s delay on vendetta/flag/shiv wont cost you a usage in 99% of cases unless it doesn't line up with mechanics properly that occur at minute intervals

I suspect APL does not have a prioritization for bleeds on multiple targets over getting things off CD if you do not lose a usage

[limber lion]

Feel free to use advanced sims and sim it yourself then.

Because trust me, it has been done dozens of times.

[royal lantern]

yeee, just wanted to know

thy mate

[limber lion]

You can pull up the apl and look what it does

[crude jetty]

@limber lion - Thanks for the input. So if it's not the opener, what should I focus on addressing to up my dps on the nine?

#assassination message

[dark token]

opener optimization in APL is kinda a messy game and not really worth

vendetta just checks if rupture/garotte are ticking

cd list is higher in priority than action list which contains rupture condition

so it doesnt happen

[limber lion]

That doesn't make sense

because it still uses garrote during shiv

?

[dark token]

cd list contains actual cd usage conditions, not what happens after

it cycles through cd list for 7 seconds until all conditions are met and CDs are applied then goes to finisher/dot list

since CD list is listed as higher priority

[polar matrix]

frozen

on naz do u apply rupture and garrote to orbs that arnt active?

[dark token]

so optimizing a condition that only occurs at the start of the fight isnt worth

[winged basin]

Boys and Girls I am actively malding

[dark token]

right before they go active yes

if im not cooldowning

[limber lion]

1. You let your bleeds drop from (mainly) Kyra quite a few times. You should be having close to 98% uptime on bleeds on both of the targets, but more importantly you should never let your bleeds drop.

2. The fight is quite long so it automatically pulls the parse down quite a bit.

[limber lion]

?

Your arguing about using Rupture during cooldowns

But now you're saying that you won't do it on Remnant

[dark token]

sorry let me rephrase

[royal lantern]

i dont really attacked them at all, and tbf, i would only use garrote on them as sin rogue

[dark token]

i garrote/rupture them when inactive, unless i am mid cooldown

[royal lantern]

cus like, rupture feels like a big waste

[dark token]

if they are active, i garrote/rupture regardless of cooldowns

[slow marsh]

just use gvault point over actual loot drops

[royal lantern]

they get vurnable and take 1-2 ticks rupture dmg, and then they die

dunno

[dark token]

my argument only applied in the scenario where the garrote/rupture actually does dmg

[royal lantern]

doesnt seem worth it imo

[polar matrix]

do u get energy regen from inactive orbs?

[limber lion]

Why?

What's the reasoning for that?

[winged basin]

Wdym

[crude jetty]

and I assume that means keeping rupture *and * garrote on both? or is it just making sure rupture is on both?

[royal lantern]

allright

[limber lion]

Yes, you should have Rupture and Garrote on both targets and never have either drop.

[royal lantern]

it depeens on your guild

[dark token]

i wouldnt during the shiv window but during vendetta yes

[slow marsh]

killing her will have her loot table in gvault which is bigger for raid as a whole than whatever she drops in raid

[dark token]

just extra dmg

[limber lion]

You need to explain yourself a bit

[royal lantern]

like, IF you dont need more dmg on orbs, why attack them at all

[limber lion]

Why would you use it when they're open

But not before it

If you rupture it when it's open, it's literally wasted immediately

[slow marsh]

especially for rogues who take heroic sylv dagger over any non sylv mythic dagger

[limber lion]

What's your parse on Remnant?

[winged basin]

Well he is telling me mythic Soulrender loot is more valuable to raid then heroic sylvanas, and that just does sit right

[limber lion]

You're literally wasting garrote/rupture by using them when they're active

[radiant dirge]

Is 38% crit high enough to start running dashing frost?

[winged basin]

I just don’t think it’s true

[dark token]

https://i.imgur.com/5QQNsji.png

[royal lantern]

only for offhand btw

[limber lion]

Sure is, but sim yourself.

[royal lantern]

on MH ilvl is still king

[slow marsh]

Wait are people not dotting orbs before they are debuffed? kek

[dark token]

rank 17 now just checked

[royal lantern]

doesnt matter if Sylv dagger or not

[limber lion]

Cute.

[slow marsh]

yes only for OH ofc

[limber lion]

Especially on mythic, you need to dot the orbs way before they are active

It's the same concept as for Council

[winged basin]

I bet koikuba dots the balls before hand too..

[limber lion]

On mythic they die in 2 seconds

[slow marsh]

why would you voluntarily miss out on the extra energy anyways

[dark token]

yes that is what i do, i think my sentences got split up and so it didnt make sense lol

[winged basin]

I do because the energy regeneration is pure value

[slow marsh]

regardless of the extra dmg after debuff

[limber lion]

No

You said

"I don't rup/garrote them during cooldowns, but if they're active I do"

If you gar/rup them when they're active, that's literally wasted completely

[dark token]

1. as soon as orbs go up, i garrote/rupture at least one for extra energy but not if i am currently vendettaing the boss

[polar matrix]

do u get energy from inactive orbs?

[dark token]

sometimes i did 2

yes

[polar matrix]

reall?

[limber lion]

Yes

[polar matrix]

so is it work dotting 2 orbs and boss for just one orb

[dark token]

also as cev mentioned they died quick so its important to get the dots up before people have a chance to yolo them

[limber lion]

As long as you have bleeds and poisons on em

[dark token]

but if an orb is active, i will also garrote it

if i didnt have an existing dot

[limber lion]

You don't dot them up for damage, you dot them up for energy

Which you then funnel on the boss

[hidden bloom]

Could someone please look at my logs and say why my damage is low to my ilv?

[limber lion]

Exactly same concept as on Council

[polar matrix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xZpkPqDWYnFrcfjH#fight=23&type=damage-done

i didnt think it did

so i didnt touch them

a single time .....

yikes

[limber lion]

It's not a giga gain

Don't worry

It's very minmaxy

[polar matrix]

i mean energy wud be huge no?

[limber lion]

It's not as huge as you'd think

[dark token]

so i guess the confusion came when i mentioned orbs being active, i rarely dot them if they are active cause they are usually all predotted by me

only tossing a garrote on one if its close

[limber lion]

Yeh, previously you said that you don't dot them if they're not active, but would do so if they are

Which is just incorrect completely.

But yeh, no worries.

[polar matrix]

so it the opposite

[limber lion]

These are the moments where I wish I had public logs.

[dark token]

screenshot for curiosity

[polar matrix]

dnt dot active cos not worth it

[limber lion]

:)

[gusty mirage]

literally a god gamer

[dark token]

ah nice, didnt realize you were in a 10/10 guild

this was my first remnant kill so i thought 99 was pretty good on it lol

[limber lion]

Yes, they die instantly

[slow marsh]

awkward

[limber lion]

Yeh it's good

Just wish you wouldn't talk in absolutes

[verbal mantle]

Cev flexing so much he got cramps on every muscles

[slow marsh]

i have a 99 on heroic terragrue can i argue with you about something cev

[dark token]

i agree i tend to over emphasize things in general

[polar matrix]

so cevarion orbs arnt huge dps gain?

wonder what going wrong for me

[limber lion]

They are definitely a gain, but not a massive one, no.

[spice spire]

97s? You’ve gotten soft Cev

[shadow tusk]

just put 3 point rup on them unless u gotta run too far from the boss

make sure they got deadly ticking too

and ur fine

[limber lion]

They were 99 when I got them but they dropped the same day.

[kind turtle]

@limber lion what is your rogues name

[limber lion]

Haven't killed either boss ever since.

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Take a wild guess.

[spice spire]

Cevrogue

[lavish lichen]

Noirevec?

[rotund oak]

Disgusting lul

[kind turtle]

well i know you arent a lvl 45 pally so it cant be Ceverion

[winged basin]

My time is coming, I think I outta leave soon

[limber lion]

It is Ceverion.

Ceverion-Stormreaver

[spice spire]

It is Ceverion lol

[kind turtle]

lol what the, is your armory hidden or something?

[limber lion]

Definitely not

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/stormreaver/Ceverion

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormreaver/ceverion

[kind turtle]

weird. doesnt show when i search by name

[limber lion]

Are you NA?

[shadow tusk]

not enchanting chest

[limber lion]

Maybe you're searching in na realms

[lavish lichen]

He is in stealth duhh

[kind turtle]

oh yeah thats prob it then

[limber lion]

Oh yeh, good point

[shadow tusk]

i gotchu

[limber lion]

Got it from the vault yesterday

[shadow tusk]

damn

huge

[dark token]

dont you guys public log or is that later in tier? i actually remember looking at your sire kill logs for cooldown timings before we started prog as you were one of the only sin rogues using IQD + crimson tempest like me at that point

was like right when 9.0.5 hit

[hidden bloom]

Could someone please look at my logs and say why my damage is low to my ilv?

[hollow river]

Trying to out gear heroic won’t get them the kill any faster.

[slow marsh]

probably cuz you dont shiv enough but sure post em

[limber lion]

I swapped guilds twice since then :P

We did public log with my wr800 guild yes

But the guild that I progressed this tier with, we don't.

[dark token]

gotcha

[limber lion]

Changed guilds to Memento a few days ago and I think they public log farm as well

So, that's gonna be interesting to see how it goes

[spice spire]

Stormreavershuff confirmed Cev guild hopper

[pallid bough]

Cev what boss are you on now?

[limber lion]

We're done with progression.

[slow marsh]

Cev slingshotting up is what he's doing

[pallid bough]

Oh shit

[hollow river]

The couch boss

[spice spire]

The 100 parse boss

[pallid bough]

Grats bro

[limber lion]

Cheers :)

[hollow river]

Straight chillin

[pallid bough]

Ez

[drowsy parcel]

gotta hand it to ya cev, pretty good logs

[slow marsh]

Yeah they're ok

[pallid bough]

Now just get a mythic sylv dagg for next tier and quit game

Unless you already have it

[velvet escarp]

Same guild as Weak? They're like top 20 or something, :o gratz

[limber lion]

Yep, just joined 2 days ago. Thank you!

[slow marsh]

I think he still has like 1k sim dps to get first

[limber lion]

Haha, I wish. Maybe next week!

[slow marsh]

I dont remember last sim

[dark token]

i used to guild hop aggressively but it kinda burned me out on the game tbh so now i kinda chill with the boys

[limber lion]

Funny thing is

That I haven't done Korthia

[hollow river]

Guild hopping sucks

[limber lion]

So now I'm sitting at around 10.4k sim

[spice spire]

Like

At all?

[limber lion]

But with sockets I would be at 10.8k

[dark token]

yeah korthia blows

[plain thistle]

casual

[limber lion]

It's ridiculous

[slow marsh]

yeah

[dark token]

its like 2h a day of grind for 1-2 months lol

[limber lion]

I was camping for a week and was just behind everyone

[spice spire]

Jhonwei was t6 week 1!!! True gamer

[dark token]

and rng feels so bad

[slow marsh]

you can still get what + 1.5k

massive

[limber lion]

I'm like 7k/16k in t5

[plain thistle]

nah, got t6 yesterday 🙂

[spice spire]

Holy fuck

[hollow river]

Chillin with Sylvanas cannot be described as camping

[plain thistle]

but now I have almost everything with socket 🙂

[spice spire]

I’m t3

Holy shit I was double memeing but ur actually juiced

Tf

[limber lion]

nutty gems :3

[plain thistle]

not sure if I should gem my belt or wait for reset

[limber lion]

Just do it

Don't you have currency for like 5 more sockets or something

[plain thistle]

5k catalog is what? 2-3 days farming

[limber lion]

Yeh

[spice spire]

Wait

[hollow river]

Bro is fucking juiceworld

[plain thistle]

I had 67k catalog, bought like 14-15 conduits and 4-5 sockets

[spice spire]

Why are you using the eternal traveler tmog

[hollow river]

67k o.o

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

Fucking mad lad

[undone scroll]

do double nights edge increase the damage from the effect to make it proc more?

[plain thistle]

I started try harding korthia a week ago

[kind turtle]

how tf

[dark token]

im so sad i looted my box as outlaw and got a 252 axe instead, maybe it woulda been 252 dagger

[plain thistle]

before that only doing dailies and a few rares and stuff here and there

[limber lion]

It increases the damage, doesn't increase the proc rate.

[slow marsh]

i just found out how to try hard korthia yesterday so

rip me

[radiant dirge]

Y’all out here with 252 weps im chilling with 233s and 4 252 rings 😭😭

[kind turtle]

@slow marsh what am i missing

[kind talon]

How??

[undone scroll]

so better to have 2 of themat 233 versus 1 252 dagger and 1 edge?

[kind talon]

And how long does it take

[plain thistle]

yeah, same, I tought I was doing it right before, but oh boy dailies are just trash

[slow marsh]

i didn't know about the stolen anima containers and i didn't realize how strongk rare farming actually is

yeah dailies are trash

[kind talon]

I’ve just been doing like

4 rift caches

[limber lion]

No

[slow marsh]

well first off i love your new prof pic

[kind talon]

And any rares / mushrooms I can do

[limber lion]

For Assassination we generally want 252 main hand and 246 off hand

Unless of course you can get the 259 Sylv dagger main hand

[plain thistle]

rare farming, spawn timer and rotation (20min), teleporter cd (2hours) etc etc

[kind talon]

I see

[dark token]

i often have to camp out the last 2-3 rares i need for 30 mins too

[slow marsh]

get the korthia WA and handynotes, go to handynotes and turn on all the spawn locations for everything. then go from rare to rare and just tag them, the frags will get sent to your mailbox

[dark token]

like zelnithop, reliwik, dom protector, verayn

its annoying

[slow marsh]

prio the long respawn rares like he said

and pick up the shorroms and nests and chests and do dailies in between rare spawns

[eternal turtle]

I have a question, why does the 2 target sim envenom twice (after the vanish MA) until it applies rupture on the 2nd target instead of just doing it instantly?

[limber lion]

Because of the Shiv window.

It applies the second rupture after the Shiv drops from the main target.

[eternal turtle]

aha makes sense

thanks

[radiant dirge]

Is dashing really required for frost shards?

[woeful meteor]

no just makes them even better

[plain thistle]

hey @limber lion which bosess are you playing with BS + DS?

[limber lion]

Just Guardian

[plain thistle]

hmm

[tidal gorge]

Don't forget to do the rift. I almost always get 1-2 purple things out of there

[gusty mirage]

ah yes a fellow +15 strength gamer

[limber lion]

BS/DS can be fine on something like Painsmith

with Dashing Scoundrel

[plain thistle]

I did nerzhul yesterday with blindside and did 9.6

but was not sure

and was thinking about painsmith, but ended playing with vigor

[plain thistle]

[kind turtle]

frost shards bonus has been underwhelming for me so far. running doomblade still though, and maybe i dont have the crit for it yet

[dark token]

bs/ds feels ok on single target fights if there is no downtime to have to reapply snd/rupture/garrote

[radiant dirge]

I just feel so energy starved if I don’t play vigor 😑

[dark token]

so guardian, terrague, maybe remnant (debatable due to orb cleave)

are the only fights i would personally use it on

painsmith i tried it during our prog and didnt like how everything fell off in intermissions

you have to repeat the energy starved opener with no MA window like 3x

[zinc frost]

Yeah I did the same thing, didn’t feel great

[odd heath]

Terragrue, Guardian and nerzhul for bs/ds for me

[eternal turtle]

@limber lion and the random mutilate it does on 2nd target is just to keep up deadly poison?

[limber lion]

Correct.

[manic pebble]

Frost set is coming to my way

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3TxmcPXoLFGPAvNguv5bRS

[winged basin]

tried to explain to them why not killing sylvanas is trolling, and have been shamed, we are just going to out gear it

[balmy condor]

[winged basin]

I am at a loss.

Truly.

“We will kill Sylvanas one day” -Raid Leader

“Are you the raid leader?” -Raid Leader

[knotty cradle]

Anyone has a weak aura for Nadjia with Thrill Seeker, Euphoria and Fatal Flaw?

[winged basin]

just some of my favorite quotes from the convo

[slow marsh]

2nd this even though it doesn't really matter that much

[edgy ginkgo]

should i play with EP and Vigor even if blindside and MS is simming better? i saw everybody is playing vigor

[zinc frost]

Why does your RL not want to?

[slow marsh]

prolly cuz its too hard for them

similar to my guild

easier to have the top % of the guild carry first mythic bosses than make the bottom half+ do mechanics on p2/3 sylv

[alpine latch]

p2 mechanics is literally "don't fall off a bridge you doofus"

[slow marsh]

dodge veil

[winged basin]

It’s literally not hard

[slow marsh]

no its not

[slow marsh]

but its hard for people who suck

[zinc frost]

Getting more is great n all but, doesn’t really fix standing in bad lmao

[winged basin]

This is the argument for why Soulrender over Sylvanas heroic

[tidal gorge]

Actually the hardest P2 mechanic in our experience is people not preparing for the healing absorbs and getting 3-4 people hit by them

Not that that's hard, but yeah

[twilit hollow]

If sylv takes you 5 hours at this point...

[winged basin]

I said if we spend 3 weeks on sylvanas I’m gquitting

“We will kill Sylvanas one day”

that’s got me dead asf, one day

[hollow dirge]

Necro, foreboding unholy set , doomblade, 242ilvl.
Was considering going back venth, but since I really appreciate sbs in m+ , decided to stick with necro.
I know assa is not top spec in m+, but i’m usually over 10k overall , depending on dung, and sub aoe is just boring af. Being a pirate not my kind of shit either

[cerulean nest]

so im 242ilvl, have the gear to get past 45% crit if I want to. but right now dashing +frost still sims slightly lower than unholy. I feel like I'm just not simming correctly though

[zinc frost]

What rank sets? Even rank 3 frost sims lower than rank 4 UH for me

[cerulean nest]

thats where im at ^

so it really needs to be rank 4 to start pulling way ahead?

[limber lion]

R4 is where it pulled ahead for me.

[cerulean nest]

by how much?

initially

[zinc frost]

Yeah i must be tired but I meant that r3 frost sims HIGHER for me than rank 4 unholy

[cerulean nest]

oh no. my r4 unholy beats out r3 frost at the moment

not by a lot at all, but still

[plain thistle]

once I got a lot of crit even rank3 frost was better than rank4 unholy

and now with rank4 frost I sim something like 600 dps more with frost

[cerulean nest]

yeah im not sure why mine isnt

[edgy ginkgo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wEqDhVpoTrXra5XbYgcwE5

soleahs with crit sims higher than totem, i guess i have not enough crit right now 😄

[plain thistle]

for example: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kkHRqgRHrbv79w2sSNtCbp

unholy r4 is 550 or something dps behind

[hollow river]

Outgearing kt or no kill? Lolololol

[cerulean nest]

maybe its an ilvl thing for me? ive seen that mentioned by Whispyr a few times

[hollow river]

And crit

[plain thistle]

ilvl and crit

[cerulean nest]

i have hella crit

i can get to 50%

[hollow river]

Not enough

[cerulean nest]

lol

[plain thistle]

once I got to 40-41-42 crit frost was just better

[winged basin]

[hollow river]

My frost was ahead at 232 ilvl and only 35% crit

[winged basin]

We raid 3 days a week 9:30 - 12 and we are 9/10heroic 3/10 m

[cerulean nest]

yeah i just simmed and at my current ilvl r4 frost beats out unholy r4 finally

[winged basin]

My frost was also mega ahead and I’m 33% crit

[zinc frost]

What’s the difference? Should be decent

[cerulean nest]

like 250

[hollow river]

I mean the mythic prog is nice but those 3 bosses fall over and don’t have a lot of bis

[cerulean nest]

it must be an ilvl thing honestly

[hollow river]

Sylvanas gonna take y’all 2 weeks

[zinc frost]

I don’t think it’s ilvl cause we are similar ilvl and it’s a much bigger difference for me

[winged basin]

If sylvanas takes 6 days of raid then I’m gquitting

2 weeks on heroic Sylv with a goal of CE this tier?

[zinc frost]

Yeah CE ain’t happening for your guild at this rate

[hollow river]

My guild has taken 3 raid fights to get to p3

Nights

[cerulean nest]

I mean this is my sim, lmk if anything looks off https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pmEYiKDXpHbQX7Za4K2Vri

[hollow river]

I already quit this guild once

[cerulean nest]

thats with the r4 frost that I havent yet upgraded to ^

[hollow river]

Sick of guild hopping

[winged basin]

I just need to stop saying I’m gonna apply to other guilds and do it.

[hollow river]

Same

[cerulean nest]

I did that, got accepted into a top 100 US guild, and then chickened out lmao

maybe down the line

mostly just didnt want to be sat for fights, which seemed likely to happen

@zinc frost any ideas?

[zinc frost]

Sim seems fine to me, was just looking on my phone. Rank 4 just must be where it takes over for you.

[cerulean nest]

I guess so. after next week's raid should have enough + enough cinders to make dashing.

such is life

[edgy ginkgo]

should i hardcap crit at 40% or the more the better?

[cerulean nest]

sim it daddi

[edgy ginkgo]

ok papi

[steady glen]

Anyone know how to get good parses on H Sylv?

[zinc frost]

Have you simmed the difference between R5 for both? Be curious to see if it sky rockets more or not for you

[limber lion]

Hit boss.

:)

[plain thistle]

stab stab, dont die

[cerulean nest]

lemme see

[visual prairie]

same strat for every fight. raids so predictable

[limber lion]

Who are you asking

[steady glen]

aight ill try harder i guess

[limber lion]

Ah right, fleep

[steady glen]

thanks

[limber lion]

Good luck!

[low oar]

So you have CE then?

[limber lion]

@steady glen I'd recommend comparing your P1, P2 and P3 damages to the top logs.

To see where you can improve the most.

[low oar]

Cooldown management is important too

You want to have everything up for the last platform in p3

[limber lion]

Well

Not true

[steady glen]

I have been trying to maximise it but having problems keeping up in p2

[limber lion]

Generally you lust the third platform now, so you want to have everything up for that.

[steady glen]

my raid does p3 lust

[low oar]

You probably won't keep up in p2 it's a lot of aoe

[cerulean nest]

its like 400dps more at r5 compared to r5 unholy

[low oar]

Burst aoe classes will out DPS you every time in p2

[cerulean nest]

at current gear

[limber lion]

I did just fine on p2 personally.

Arcane and boomie at the top, as you'd expect.,

But not by much

[steady glen]

do you run crimson?

[cerulean nest]

just thought the frost/unh difference would be more than this

[limber lion]

No.

[limber lion]

You need other gear as well

[slow marsh]

There's 2 ST burn phases in p2

[limber lion]

A lot of crit, Dashing Scoundrel etc.

[low oar]

If you're running crimson on sylv just for parse

[cerulean nest]

this is with crit and dashing

[limber lion]

CT is not worth it for parsing.

[low oar]

That's what I'm saying

[fallen arch]

Its not?

[steady glen]

yeah i dont think CT is worth it just checking

[low oar]

You shouldn't ever run it just for parse

Only thing that actually matters is boss damage

[limber lion]

No.

P3 is the longest part of the fight and it's single target.

[steady glen]

maybe once i get dashing ill try again

[limber lion]

P1 is pretty much single target as well

If you run Dashing Scoundrel, it's super bad

[clever kindle]

arguably the hardest part of the sylvanas fight is an add platform

[limber lion]

because CT is even worse with Dashing

[fallen arch]

Hm ye didn’t look at it that way

Right

[low oar]

I don't agree

[steady glen]

Thanks @limber lion appreciate the tips

[fallen arch]

Havent got frost high enough yet to try dashing out

[cerulean nest]

this sim is with 262 dashing and I think like 43% crit?

[limber lion]

Good luck!

[steady glen]

Yeah i think the hardest part of the fight for us is probably 5th platform

[cerulean nest]

still 241 ilvl though

[steady glen]

p3 has nth much for melees to do other than to tunnel boss

[low oar]

43? Damn what's your haste

[limber lion]

I personally get -641 with Doom + Unholy

[clever kindle]

Most wipes are going to happen in transition theres not much you can die to in p3

[limber lion]

Compared to Frost/Dashing

[cerulean nest]

i get -400

i guess its fine, still gonna go for it

[low oar]

Are you guys stacking crit first or haste first

[steady glen]

crit

[clever kindle]

if youre running frost, crit becomes the priority

[low oar]

Just trying to figure out in general what I should hard focus. I thought it was haste>crit

[clever kindle]

It is but priorities change when you get a set like Frost

which is based off many small crits

[fallen arch]

It is if you’re unholy doomblade necro gaming

[low oar]

Won't it gimp you in m+ though

[fallen arch]

Crit?

[low oar]

Prioritizing crit for frost set

[fallen arch]

Crit is the single best thing for m+ for us

[clever kindle]

Personally I dont play sin in m+

But frost is bis for outlaw as well

which also prefers crit for aoe

[visual prairie]

and sub prefers crit for aoe

[steady glen]

well if u are pushing high keys sin wouldnt be too good since u wont have enough vers i think

might be wrong

[balmy condor]

[visual prairie]

you get a crit, you get a crit, all specs get an aoe crit

[fallen arch]

This comment I don’t understand

[balmy condor]

You guys on mobile?

[clever kindle]

vers is survivability in high keys

there is unavoidable damage

At some breakpoints you can just straight up die to that unavoidable damage so vers is a preferred stat in some cases

[zinc frost]

Yes how did you know 👀

[balmy condor]

[low oar]

I only have one set of gear (haste/crit) so swapping to outlaw for m+ is a no go

[steady glen]

if youre only doing 15s then sin is fine

crit frost is fine too

no big deal

[low oar]

I have no plans to break 20

[visual prairie]

charge your phone

[clever kindle]

Youll get plenty of gear as the patch goes on

[balmy condor]

U right

[low oar]

ATM I just farm 15-17s for vault lol

In a few month when I have a vers/crit set I can try outlaw

[balmy condor]

Then you could probably be full vers mast

[slow marsh]

15-17 literally doesn't matter wtf you do

[low oar]

Currently sitting at like 32/27 haste/crit

I can have 30/30 if I swap enchants to crit

[balmy condor]

You’re really thinking about this too much man

[fallen arch]

Swap

[low oar]

I KNOW I DO THIS CONSTANTLY

[ornate raptor]

Sim yourself

😂

[low oar]

I hate it 😂

[slow marsh]

If you had a full set of 252 gear then sure you could mess with secondary stats but you don't so it doesn't matter

[balmy condor]

I play both sin and sub

[fallen arch]

It’s faster

[balmy condor]

And literally all I do

[zinc frost]

You just summed up the whole discord

[fallen arch]

To sim

[low oar]

All day at work I basically just think about how to min/max my sin aoe

[balmy condor]

Is I sim droptimizer, sim my vault, and then crit enchant/gem everything

[cerulean nest]

lol

[balmy condor]

That’s pretty much it

[fallen arch]

More crit

[slow marsh]

crit mastery done

[fallen arch]

And replace a bunch of haste with mastery

[balmy condor]

I know I have 41% crit

Just because Someone pointed it out on stream

That’s literally the only reason I know

I don’t look at my stats literally ever

[fallen arch]

Ok so

[zinc frost]

Should stack intellect to make big brain plays

[balmy condor]

Like just top gear, droptimizer, you’re mad chilling

[fallen arch]

Why does dslice tell me in stat weights that I need more haste?

That’s super weird to me

Or at least that haste has the highest stat weight for dslice

[slow marsh]

using stat weights D=

[fallen arch]

I was curious

[low oar]

I think it bases stat weights on spec

[balmy condor]

[low oar]

And haste has a higher stat weight

[balmy condor]

Lord help me im not strong enough

Should petition raidbots to just remove stat weights

I can’t handle this

[slow marsh]

yep

[cerulean nest]

leading theorycrafter btw

[fallen arch]

WHISP PLS HELP ME WHY

[balmy condor]

Cause stat weights are kinda doggers my man

Haste might still be fine

But like

Just don’t use stat weights

[fallen arch]

Imma keep using it

[balmy condor]

It’s that easy, just don’t

[low oar]

It's good on tyrannical when you have long ST fights

[balmy condor]

Resist the urge

[alpine garden]

Speaking of doggers, why can't dom shards just use a rank system like mythic items 😦

[low oar]

But on fortified you have so many bleeds up you don't need haste

[fallen arch]

WHY

[balmy condor]

Because you’re applying a lot of dots and dots do more damage with haste

[fallen arch]

Wicked

Imma stack haste for dungeons

[balmy condor]

I will find you

[fallen arch]

Uh oh

I will stop using it then

[balmy condor]

And give you a fat fucking smoocher right on your god damn lips

Fucking cutie

Smh

No homo tho

Stat weights are still terrible though

[fallen arch]

[balmy condor]

Forget they exist

Erase them from your cranium

[fallen arch]

Idk why I cant find whispyr emoji

[balmy condor]

They serve no purpose

[fallen arch]

:whispyr:

[balmy condor]

Cause you’re not in the server

[dark token]

I find the 4d stat graphs pretty good info tho

[balmy condor]

[dark token]

Just to compare at max gear what specs share stats the most

[fallen arch]

Why

I want it

[balmy condor]

I mean, sure

That feels really niche of a question to need answered

But those plots do the job

[dark token]

For example if I play sin/sub I want to prioritize crit by a mile and then haste over vers because sub uses haste more sin uses vers

[slow marsh]

[balmy condor]

But why wouldn’t you just sim your sin gear and your sub gear

[dark token]

I mean I do

This mostly helps for targeting raid pieces

Like I don't wanna be like " yeah I want this wrist for sin and the other wrist for sub"

Realistically you get 1, until farm

[fallen arch]

No shame in doing that 😂

Just define main and off spec

[balmy condor]

But wouldn’t droptimizer tell you the gains

I feel like you’re just stumbling through the steps of thinking about what stats on what pieces

When you could just droptimizer

And be like “oh this ring is good for both, sick”

[dark token]

I mean I do that too lol

[balmy condor]

Well then wtf

What’s the point

[toxic quail]

stat weights aint even cute

[balmy condor]

5 beers later they might be idk

[toxic quail]

hahahah trueeee

[dark token]

Just easier for me personally to reason about it and tell my RL ok crit >>>>> haste >= vers on a piece that drops rather than involve offspec dps percentage

I guess

[toxic quail]

gimme 85% haste again so i can exsang shit

[dark token]

I do both for my personal usage anyway

Mostly cause I'm a sim addict

[balmy condor]

I write the gains for both in my note, something drops I’m like “65 for sub, 35 for sin”

[dark token]

Yeah I guess I could do that

[balmy condor]

But my raid lead really pushes us on notes

So it kinda works when everyone’s doing it

If you’re the only one putting a note

Kinda worthless cause there’s nothing to compare to

But then you don’t need the granularity anyway

[regal cape]

My favorite notes people put are "usable garbage" needing with note "idk maybe I'll use it, higher ilv" or someone just putting a :)

[balmy condor]

Had one guy just go “oh yeah idk I might use it, stats look okay”

[mortal umbra]

arn't zoldyck better for raiding? since when i sim zoldyck and doomblade it sim doomblade higher. by 196 dps

[balmy condor]

definitely not

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is very bad for raiding.

Don't use it

[balmy condor]

yeh

zoldyck is awful

you use it in aoe like m+ and that's it

[mortal umbra]

i know Obedience is the absolute best one, but im necro since im also playing Outlaw in M+

[primal breach]

is dashing any good on m+? or should i stay on obedience

[harsh rapids]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
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[zinc frost]

I’d stick to obedience/zoldyck

[low oar]

How do you sim domination set bonuses on raidbots? Top gear keeps not trying both sets just the one I have equipped

[plain thistle]

select what you currently have and what you also want to compare

[low oar]

I am not nothing is changing when I select more gems

[dark token]

It actually beats obedience for me in certain talent setups

[plain thistle]

something like this

that will compare r4 vs r5

[low oar]

No matter how many I click the combinations don't go up

[plain thistle]

and blood-unholy dps shards are also equipped

[zinc frost]

Have you selected the set bonus in the sim?

[weak bane]

There's a box above called sim gems/enchants

[polar ice]

@plain thistle Nice tip j, I didnt consider that

[weak bane]

Check that

[plain thistle]

select replace existing gems

[low oar]

Ah yep that's what I was missing

Thank you

[plain thistle]

🙂

[halcyon zealot]

lol explosive orbs trigger the signet of bolstering power in keys and you don’t even have to be the one to kill the explosive to get the benefit

yet another o v e r s i g h t

[fallen arch]

Legit

Thanks for the tip

[visual prairie]

the bolstering anima power is triggered by orbs. is that what that meant?

my brain is slow. i don't know the formal names. it's just the crit one. and the bolstering one

[dark token]

yeah its so good

[halcyon zealot]

yes, and it doesn’t have to be you who kills them to get the effect either.

i’m sure it’s not intended, knowing blizz, something that would prevent you from choosing the same 4 powers every dungeon during one week of the rotation is too crazy of a concept

[dark token]

its definitely intended to have different weeks make different powers better

i think they will keep it

[visual prairie]

next you are going to tell me plumage kills orbs

[sharp magnet]

Hi i Have a m+ question how many ruptures do i want out on pulls before i crimson spam

[balmy condor]

infinite

you never spam CT

[sharp magnet]

so get ruptures on everything first?

[balmy condor]

yes

[sharp magnet]

then crimson fill

[balmy condor]

no

if crimson is already up, you would envenom

[sharp magnet]

hmm okay so the instant damage isnt worth

[balmy condor]

correct

you never spam CT

[visual prairie]

i always thought getting CT ticking was first prio after opening garrotes. then ruptures?

or is that what your'e saying

[balmy condor]

depends on target count and what talents you're running

you CT on 2 once you have 2 bleeds up

[sharp magnet]

okay cool so in theory 3 ad pack , garrote all 3, fans, rupture fans rupture fans rupture, fans, CT, envenom

[balmy condor]

we mut on 3

but yeh pretty much

[sharp magnet]

on < 2 we mut?

<=2

[balmy condor]

you'd keep ct, garrote and rupture on all 3, and dump with envenom

on <=3

[winged basin]

whats the string to sim pi?

[sharp magnet]

you mean >=

more than 3

right

[balmy condor]

no, I mean <=3 you mut

[sharp magnet]

ahh okay

[balmy condor]

external_buffs.power_infusion=0/120/240

numbers are in seconds

[winged basin]

yall be using the weekly or nightly simc version?

[balmy condor]

always nightly

[sharp magnet]

@balmy condor Thanks so much man appreciate you

[balmy condor]

but there hasn't been any changes since the weekly

so shouldn't matter

[balmy condor]

np homie happy to help

[winged basin]

and the string goes in custom apl?

sorry this is new to me

[golden kraken]

subterfuge or ma in keys?

[violet jackal]

subterfuge, master assassin if your lazy like me 🙃

[wintry mica]

is there an "ideal" time to go help clear puddles on sylv

[obtuse robin]

thats a tanks job

unless they r dead

[halcyon zealot]

ya u don’t do that unless you accidentally get a stack

then u go to corner and call for dispel, should never actively be clearing

[obtuse robin]

or if u have no choice pick it up go to corner and cloack

[wintry mica]

I meant like running to a later platform and grabbing puddles to clear things up

[low oar]

Absolutely subterfuge. Those empowered garottes are a big chunk of your dps

[edgy ginkgo]

first fight with frost set rank 4... thats insane 😮

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZMD2brpkgNxKR46a#fight=last

[wintry mica]

not picking up pools on the platform we are dpsing on

[strange python]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

yep

[keen gyro]

Decanter of endless howling any good? or should we always take trinket with mainstat on it?

[alpine latch]

That sort of depends on your other trinkets honestly

[keen gyro]

question is if i should roll best in slot if it drops in raid 😄

[alpine latch]

It's top 10 in terms of cap, but it's more than likely not something you'd want to use unless you had no better trinnkets

[edgy ginkgo]

for me its good, cause i need the crit

but guardians trinket is way better

[alpine latch]

Most of us want Fusion Amp/Phial

[keen gyro]

kk

[obtuse robin]

if ur going crit forst dashing

[keen gyro]

thanks

[obtuse robin]

iqd > fusuin ampp

[alpine latch]

Yes

[obtuse robin]

239 amp that it

[edgy ginkgo]

really? other side here i come 😄

[alpine latch]

It always comes down to sim it - but in general those are the two best trinkets. IQD is only good for the Dashing/Frost combo that I'm aware of

[river magnet]

Is obedience still a thing in raid? Or dashing.

[wintry mica]

is it just luck to get phial to apply 2 stacks at once or does it only happen if it procs on a mut hit or something?

[frigid kestrel]

@balmy condor You got a updated Sim chart with Dashing included?

[balmy condor]

not yet

[frigid kestrel]

Gotcha

[balmy condor]

it's really difficult showing a comparison properly

without making like

15 gear sets

[frigid kestrel]

Ye makes sense

[sharp zodiac]

On Mythic Painsmith is FoK->Envenom the balls in p2 and p3 worth? Or just strictly smash boss?

[wintry mica]

I think it depends on if your group needs the extra ball damage

[subtle tundra]

if youre progging you do the swap spec mechanic

[sharp zodiac]

Playing Necro bud

[subtle tundra]

then swap outlaw

[ebon notch]

guardian trinket is simming within margin of error over phial/sack

[sharp zodiac]

Iffy on Necro Sub outside M+

[ebon notch]

on heroic ilvl

is that normal for everyone else?

[wintry mica]

I would expect guardian to outsim sack

[ebon notch]

its like

17 dps

[wintry mica]

yea sack is still pretty good

I imagine when its available at 252 itll be up there

[sharp zodiac]

And outlaw ball damage has no burst

@sudden brook even as sub are you SS->BP the balls on M painsmith

Or evi?

[winged basin]

YES SUMMON GUY

I LOVE SEEING HIM POP UP HERE

[dapper flint]

is it possible for assa on nerzul to SS when you fly away on dispel? From the platform*

seems like impossible

[sharp zodiac]

You can do it

Just gotta be fast

[winged basin]

I’m struggling with it aswell

Just turbo mode

[wintry mica]

does the 5 second ICD on phial just run continuously, meaning if you pull at the right time itll almost instantly apply two stacks, or is there something else making it stack faster occasionally?

[sharp zodiac]

Just need to be ready for when your RL calls for the dispell

And run the SS conduit obviously

[obtuse robin]

also use quick decisions conduit

[wintry mica]

yea the extra range is big for that

[drowsy parcel]

https://wago.io/CrwNCtWEH get this

gives you a huge cast bar whenever a priest casts mass dispel

so you dont have to react to it

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah that’ll help if you’re struggling

[wintry mica]

just dont press it early lol

[sudden brook]

why am i being tagged in here

[soft shale]

[balmy condor]

outlaw cf tagged in sin channel for sub question

it's the ravenholdt special

[sharp zodiac]

Painsmith balls question

For mythic

[sharp zodiac]

Sir I don’t want to be a yellow man. It just always puts the yellow first

[sudden brook]

why would u bp

[sharp zodiac]

So you just hard swap to it and SS to evi? Or stay on boss? I’m literally just wondering if it would be equally worth to FoK-Envenom

[shut garnet]

u know the damage done to the balls that dont die/any dmg past the first ball that dies (not sure which one) isnt counted

you SS to build and evis into the ball

with find weakness applied

[sharp zodiac]

I’m it trying to parse

[shut garnet]

also, wrong channel

[sharp zodiac]

I asked a sin question

[sudden brook]

storm evis

[sharp zodiac]

Didn’t get a sin answer

Asked a guy I know that is progged and re cleared on mythic

[soft shale]

get 1 strike at least to get fw

if you're unluck

[sudden brook]

storm > evis is a lot of boss/ball damage

but generally speaking rogue sucks at ball damage

all 3 specs dont really kill them

[soft shale]

yea hunter/boomy etc are way better

rogue cant really save things for balls

outlaw can kinda bte mfd but sub/assa go with nothin

[sharp zodiac]

Thank you.

[placid flame]

Still in debate if venthy or necro is going to be better . I cant figure out how to sim my character with the other cov and legendaries

i was necro and trying venthy

[sharp zodiac]

Like you just don’t know how to use Raidbots top gear to sim it?

[halcyon zealot]

when you’re in top gear, near the bottom you’ll see your active soulbind tree where you can choose to sim different conduits, hard to miss.. just below that will be names of all the other soulbinds that aren’t currently active, simply click on the one(s) you want, activate the slots, and it should sim both

[placid flame]

sick

ya i couldnt see the tab i knew i could do it

[halcyon zealot]

legendaries is same thing except it’s the box at the very top of top gear that your eyes probably auto ignore

[bleak phoenix]

guys dashing scoundrel is simming 80dps worse than doomblade. i have rank 4 frost set and am necro. is it only better for venthyr?

[shadow tusk]

is it rank 6?

also whats ur crit %

[drowsy parcel]

try adding the poison conduit

[bleak phoenix]

my crit is 37% and im simming rank 6

[drowsy parcel]

im necro too, its about 120 dps ahead for me

[scenic kelp]

is there a minimum in % what i need of crit, when i want to go on frost shard with ds? atm frost is simming 40dps lower than unholy 😄

[bleak phoenix]

gonna try sim it with lethal poisons then

[hollow phoenix]

Does someone have a mouseover macro for sbs?

[bleak phoenix]

#showtooltip Serrated Bone Spike
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Serrated Bone Spike

[hollow phoenix]

thanks

[bleak phoenix]

with lethal poisons dashing is a 11 dps upgrade over doomblade. meh

guess itd be way more if i was venthyr

[shadow tusk]

Could be yeah

Its probably gonna be better the more crit you get in the future

[subtle gyro]

with dashing, wouldnt it be better to use Lethal over the Shiv Conduit? Just curious

[north pecan]

Do I target my partner when I'm go far on mass dispel for nerzhul

I can't manage to do it consitently

[sharp zodiac]

No just target the boss

And face in

[pale ibex]

just got slyv dagger but it sims more bad than my 246 dagger <.<

[solemn plaza]

offhand?

[pale ibex]

y

[solemn plaza]

dang

[sharp zodiac]

Must be 233 dagger?