assassination

[hoary holly]

oh, looks like people recommend dashing over doomblade from the conversation above lol

[frigid kestrel]

For dashing do you ever go EP/Vig for fights with a few adds?

Nvm scrolled up and seen a answer

lucky me

[idle star]

Does frost set work off wep procs and trinket procs too

?

[wind totem]

works off of everything afaik

[ashen fulcrum]

kt trink or soulrender trink for assassination?

[bleak sky]

sim it

[balmy condor]

I mean

neither

[ashen fulcrum]

lol

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

whispyr's got a point too

[ashen fulcrum]

I thought crit was our best stat now

[bleak sky]

kt trink sims godawful for me, but it if it's better than your trinkets, use it

[ashen fulcrum]

I have the kt one currenlty

[balmy condor]

crit is our best stat

[bleak sky]

godawful as in -210 dps

[ashen fulcrum]

just have the option of getting the decanter right now

[bleak sky]

decanter is -140 or something for me

[balmy condor]

but that doesn't make decanter good

if it's a garbage trink

[bleak sky]

but if those two are better than your current trinkets, use them

[ashen fulcrum]

well I have phial too

[bleak sky]

if they somehow sim better, use them

[balmy condor]

Phial is one

[ashen fulcrum]

yea

[balmy condor]

fusion amp is the other

[ashen fulcrum]

word

[balmy condor]

and then you forget other trinkets exist

[bleak sky]

fusion amp sims worse than iqd

[ashen fulcrum]

is shadowgrasp a meme?

[balmy condor]

nah

[bleak sky]

no shadowgrasp is pretty good

[balmy condor]

shadowgrasp poppin

[wide ridge]

neither gloves or tog from mythic eye, again

[thorny pond]

another heroic kill, no dagger still

[bleak sky]

daggers aren't real

they're a lie

[timid talon]

I got the 246 this week with indestructable 🤩

[thorny pond]

that's cool

[craggy oak]

well you could be me, who decided to all in uh shards, and now am lacking 400 dps, iwsh the extent of my problems was loot 😄

[thorny pond]

but I reported you to the FBI

[timid talon]

Id trade them for 150 more embers tbh

[hasty crater]

I mean a lot of people made r4 unholy

[craggy oak]

ya sad boys club

[fathom flax]

But my 252 shadowgrasp 😦

[craggy oak]

what is total emebers for rank 4 set

[hasty crater]

Ur not far behind tho, if u did raid every week u can make r4 frost aswell this week @craggy oak

[fathom flax]

150

Then another 150 for r5

5-15-30-50 per gem

I think I’m gonna moss my guilds heroic clear this week so no r4 frost 😦

[winged basin]

quick question, is the sim not effected by the poison bug?

is that why my poison sims 2nd highest damage but not even close in practice?

[balmy condor]

poison bug is in sims

poison should be doing like 14% of your damage roughly

right about melee

little higher

[idle star]

Hmm.. lethal poisons conduit....

[fiery mauve]

Oh I forgot about the poison bug

[exotic brook]

Anyone have any tips on shadowstep for mythic remnant using the mass dispel strat? i never seem to use it within the distance range

[balmy condor]

are you running with quick decision

tends to help a little

[drifting cloud]

whispyr I think I figured out why ep was simming above bs

[balmy condor]

cause you's a bitch?

[drifting cloud]

or well about even, with ds that is

I didnt have a dom slot for bek

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

now its like +20 or something

[winged basin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nDLBQ3NGJjm9hyXF#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=64

[exotic brook]

yeah, still getting recked

[winged basin]

its doing like 10-12% with dashing

[balmy condor]

idk then, take a second before the mass dispel to really watch the countdown and time it

I don't mean to brag

but like

https://www.twitch.tv/whispyrttv/clip/ArtisticCarefulTaroJonCarnage-0ek2tIMEk-busBhA?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

you can sauce that shit

step ain't that bad

just practice

[winged basin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8MeheCc8q2kHWPdHjSTk6o

safe to say I broke 9k now

[uneven hamlet]

There's a seli clip that sure helps alot https://clips.twitch.tv/PluckyPuzzledOrangeDeIlluminati-hwTRkkaNDcoydKkN

you can do the normal way, by just timing well the dispel too

[balmy condor]

oh he stands sideways

I don't like that as much tbh

but whatever works

[uneven hamlet]

I died so much to this thing lul

[winged basin]

is it a pain?

we are about to prog it for the last 30 minutes of raid

[kind talon]

@balmy condor

made u something

saucing

[balmy condor]

accurate

[kind talon]

do u like it

[balmy condor]

in a run, yes

[misty edge]

Does frost bonus interact with dashing scoundrel somehow? I am running unholy for the moment but i simmed obi vs DS vs doom and doom was 110 dps higher then DS

[hollow river]

they do that almost every tier lol

[craggy oak]

they do but taht s more for weapons and such where as in legion it was to lesse rthe chance of not getting the bis leggo no

[misty edge]

Ah that makes sense, one more question, can someone help me with simming a different coven, i selected

unlock all soulbinds and conduits selected jbonesmith and conduits in there but then in the results it doest show him at all

[keen gyro]

Hey, got a few questions regarding the shiv window on single target and was wondering if you guys could help out.
Has rupture got higher priority than shiv? I.e. do you refresh rupture if you know it will run out during shiv? How long do you hold shiv for things like on-use trinkets or the bone marrow gem crit buff?

[slow marsh]

The only time you let rupture drop during shiv is in vendetta and even then it's kinda sus

[idle star]

shiv on cd. that is all

[gusty mirage]

^

you slam that shit on CD

[idle star]

when shiv is off cd, its the only ability on your bars until its back on cd

[gusty mirage]

unless vendetta's about to come up (less than ten secondsish) then you can hold it for vendetta

but yeah

put that shit on cd

[keen gyro]

ok great thanks!

and at what target number does that change? For example looking at 2/3 target fights, its hard to go through shiv windows without losing rutpure/garrote uptime on at least one of the targets

[gusty mirage]

you still send it on CD even in aoe

just pick a prio target w/ a lot of health

[keen gyro]

ok thanks!

[gusty mirage]

[winged basin]

rank 4 frost

with dashing

oh my god im just BLASTING

only mfers beating me are the 2 boomies getting PI

[void pecan]

My favorite is beating people who get PI

[misty edge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n6LCq7egoYKuM38JafEVdq

Or i think i should have lank it ran probably sorry about that

[junior rampart]

Does R3 to R4 frost makes lot of difference?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[thorny pond]

Significant

[junior rampart]

Thank you

[plain thistle]

simming for my gear It was 280 dps

2.7% dps increase

[gusty mirage]

its the legendary Jhonwei

when are you going to teach me to pump like you? @plain thistle

[junior rampart]

Oh that's a lot.

[thorny pond]

It’s been in you the whole time @gusty mirage

[indigo valley]

Ok guys I'm really struggling to figure out what I'm missing.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pDLBC6k8Rwcg9ahH/

I am most curious about what I can do to improve on the Eye, because that's the one where I see the least mistakes.
I didn't get many mechanics on our kill this week and still can't break into the 95+ range. Any notes/tips would be greatly appreciated.

[keen gyro]

sorry one more question came up regarding this 😄
lets say shiv comes off cooldown in 5 seconds, and rupture has around 10 sec left on the target, do i refresh before it hits the pandemic window in this case, to get the combo points and energy full for shiv right before it comes off cd?

[thorny pond]

You’d refresh at 8 in the pandemic window and have 3s left on shiv

During that time before you can be pooling

Make sense?

[keen gyro]

hmm yeah my example was bad i think

do i ignore pandemic window in order to guarantee full uptime of rupture also during shiv?

[thorny pond]

You can yes but generally no more than a second or two

[visual prairie]

if you dont' have a mythic lockout and you transfer can you still mythic raid on the new server?

or are you locked out until reset. i keep seeing people claiming both ways

[thorny pond]

Ideally you’ll over exaggerate pooling a little bit now so you see how it goes then just muscle memory will eventually start to take over

[kind talon]

vigor ep pooling is poggers

when you hit that 4 cp mut

and ur bs ds instincts take over

and u slam second mut

💀

[keen gyro]

ok great thanks. starting HC today with my rogue and i wanna leave a good impression so i dont have to come back with my ele shaman😆

[thorny pond]

Just follow the guide. Even the best rogues can always pool a little better but it’s honestly minimal

[kind talon]

biggest thing u can do is just come to raid prepped and make sure ur using the right talents for every encounter

[thorny pond]

Lust windows, flag and euphoria haste… makes it quite easy currently

[kind talon]

[keen gyro]

yeah im trying to do that, but you know its things like these come up when i was training on the dummy

[thorny pond]

Rather, makes it forgiving

Start with the foundation and work up to more advanced things from there, you’ll impress your guild by doing mechanics, surviving and having good uptime. If you parse blues for your ilvl even that’s super value for your raid

[keen gyro]

do we have a talent breakdown for each boss? didnt find that in the faq, and never know if i ca ntrust a guide haha

[thorny pond]

Leggo and shards you run?

[gusty mirage]

You’ll do great, just trust yourself and make sure you hammer home the fundamentals (keep bleeds up, don’t overcap combo points, and finish at either max cp or Max-1 always)

[kind talon]

just ep vigor for everything, CT for multi target fights, and you can play bs/ds on guardian if you want ❤️

[keen gyro]

playing necro with doomblade

[kind talon]

and follow all those other tips brother

you'll do great

unless you have some huge aoe pumpers that will delete adds

you can run CT on eye, nine, soulrender, fatescribe, kt, and potentially sylv

[keen gyro]

no shards yet

[thorny pond]

Yea so don’t sweat parses tonight

Shards and set bonuses are huge. Do your best and if you have questions you can bring your logs here

[keen gyro]

great thanks!!

[keen gyro]

why do we take vigor? FAQ says strategem?

[thorny pond]

Sim yourself

A lot of rogues like it for feel and ep Vig is good for cleave

[keen gyro]

Ok makes sense

And i keep CT up on 2 target cleave? Is it that strong?

[thorny pond]

Yep

You can theoretically keep it up on 1T outside of shiv windows

[keen gyro]

Ok will try. Thanks so much for all your input @thorny pond @kind talon and @gusty mirage !

[gusty mirage]

For a lot of people EP/vigor sims like 50-60 dps less than blindside/Strata so they just go with ep/vigor because they like it more and it’s better on any kind of cleave fight usually

[keen gyro]

will sim it right now and see how much of a difference it makes for me, but im also used to playing vigor and EP from m+ so i really dont mind doing that

[calm pawn]

how do u guys feel about playing with the frost set on sin?

[fathom flax]

I love being a 2k HPS rogue

[gusty mirage]

Dashing scoundrel + r3 frost simmed around 300 dps higher for me than obedience and r3 unholy

[fathom flax]

It’s really good damage too though and just scales more with crit

[violet jackal]

looks like you just need a better group or smaller comparing to my parse you did more damage than me but your kill took a a minute longer https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WMndDaK6CjJyFNz7#fight=9&type=damage-done

[keen gyro]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2pNgVeaagoW4Gj33dXmoTs

dunno if i simmed it correctly but seems as im losing 185 dps with vigor and EP

[final bough]

Is there a way I can sim an uncrafted legendary

[calm pawn]

top gear

[thorny pond]

Yes 332 is deeper bs
231 is Vig ep

You simmed subterfuge not Ma

[keen gyro]

oh god ur right

[thorny pond]

God isn’t in this channel

Just nerds

[slow marsh]

Only sin

[keen gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-satan-fire-flame-burn-gif-4507786

[hollow river]

O.o

What’d I just open discord too

[keen gyro]

haha

[thorny pond]

It’s hot irl

Gonna be hot here

[keen gyro]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9aA8hKRP1QFZA2416d1CqL

now it works, difference is 65 dps, so im going for EP/Vigor 😉

[thorny pond]

That’s fine, it’ll probably be closer in reality since you aren’t punished for not perfect pooling

As much*

[keen gyro]

Yeah, and I mean i know the sims are not lying but i just hate the feeling of having one more max cp lol

[slow marsh]

Feelsgreatman

When your main generator is 2/4cp and you get free 2/3 every few muts 6 max just makes sense.

[thorny pond]

I call it gen z sin because it’s a zoomer spec with EP Vig

[keen gyro]

lol

[keen gyro]

yeah it does make sense, it just pressures me when im in the shiv window and i got 4 cp

[slow marsh]

Just mut lol

[keen gyro]

would you envenom with 4 cp if shiv is about to run out and there is no time for another mut?

[slow marsh]

I wouldn't personally unless vendetta is up

But even then I wouldn't

In reality

[keen gyro]

ok😆

[violet jackal]

mathemtically i think its correct to evenom there, mentally i would probably never

[slow marsh]

Exactly

But only if vendetta is up and you have 1s left on shiv or env

[keen gyro]

yes, like, worst case

[slow marsh]

I mean worst case you just ignore and go on with your prio

We're talking inching out like 10dps if that

[keen gyro]

yep, I think I got other stuff to worry about first haha

[slow marsh]

I think most people do xD

[slow forge]

yo is there another way to get CN raid leggos?

i need dashing but i dont wanna do CN

[obtuse robin]

?

[bold jetty]

Conventant vendor

Covenant

[pale plank]

Just LFR it

[winged basin]

Almost killed Remnant Mythic tonight, so now instead of trying to even see the sylvanas fight for the first time Sunday, we are going to kill Remnant and then “probably prog Soulrender”

[pale plank]

Nothing crazy

[winged basin]

I literally just want a CHANCE at my sylvanas dagger

[static mirage]

Same boat I’m in

[drifting cloud]

Lmao your officers dumb af

If youre almost killing remnant you can kill sylv in 3 tries max

[idle star]

Sylv isnt that hard

on heroic

my guild did it in 2 nights tops first kill

[obtuse robin]

about to kill nurzul and ur guild doesnt want 246 dam near 252 gear with bis weps at play

oh ok

[hollow talon]

Bro what in the world heroic Sylvanas is so easy once you get some gear and people have dom sets

It was only hard the first week cause everypne had shit gear

[obtuse robin]

well the first week was cuz of bugs

but havent even pulled sylv yet is sus on the part of the leads

[fiery mauve]

I mean sylv dagger isn’t that pog for assass

And remnant drops a dagger

[viscid spear]

Does he?

[idle star]

He does and i want the xmog. Gold demon dagger

[ornate lake]

Damn. Thought my guild was only this "smart". Not kill sylv but constantly progress on mythic cuz want CE

[idle star]

Maybe you will get AoC and CE at the same time :p

[buoyant kraken]

Is sylv dagger better for sub than Assas?

[oak sky]

yeah

[shut wren]

sylv dagger also better for outlaw than assa 😂

[dark token]

shush they use swords

dont tell my RL

they want painsmith/pox

[kind turtle]

frost or unholy dom set for raiding?

[uneven summit]

can somebody explain to me quickly, why is dashing pure ST, does the envenom effect not affect poisons on all targets or?

[uneven summit]

frost probably, at r3 with lots and lots of crit it should pull ahead of unholy

[ornate lake]

Sim it yourself. For me the breaking point was R4

[fathom flax]

It does but most times on multi target you’re going to multi dot and get energy saturated

[ornate lake]

With 36% crit

[fathom flax]

Which is like, 3? Targets I think

[ornate lake]

5 bleeds = gcd capped with enough energy

[uneven summit]

r3 frost, 19-20% hate and 37-40 crit was the breaking point for me

[fathom flax]

Subterfuge or MA for m+, what’s your favourite?

[uneven summit]

Subterfuge is the best imo, but i like playing MA more

depends on the week also

[fathom flax]

Garrotte garrotte garrotte fok CT

[strange python]

Guild wants me to do more spiked ball damage on painsmith. Uhhh. What do

[ornate lake]

Single target dps the one ball that has to go down

[fathom flax]

Pad fok onto the balls and tunnel boss

[undone scroll]

so for assassination with out fully upgraded dom slots which one should i get as ven rogue?

for raid

to be clear

[fathom flax]

What do you mean, do you not have 5 slots or do you not have 5 gems

9 gems**

[undone scroll]

I dont have a set yet and still pretty low on embers after startingg up

so i dunno if dashing scoundrel is a good investment

[uneven summit]

cheese it by fokking all the balls for poisons, hheehehe

[undone scroll]

until later

[uneven summit]

when going frost, dashing and blindside/ds feels absolutely amazing

[fathom flax]

Just pump embers into frosty boys

[undone scroll]

ok

[fathom flax]

Really? I miss vig

My opener feels shit

[ornate lake]

Opener is a bit clunky I agree. But after that it is fine with energy gen on poisons.

[uneven summit]

With low amounts of haste, vigor/EP can be better, so that´s an option i guess

[strange python]

Details removes damage to the balls that don't die lol

[uneven summit]

get skada, live the illusion

[strange python]

Oh. I know. Guild doesn't listen when I say our damage ramps

[ornate lake]

Wouldn't recommend going dashing and vigor though.

[fathom flax]

How do you enable that option? I notice my raid leads details has like anti pad mode

[ornate lake]

But if you have low haste it might be playable

[strange python]

The gap between second Mut and first garrote feels bad.

[fathom flax]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2jR7ki3hYXdZ1sEKFpG5us

Like 42 crit 18 haste I think

Feelcraft tells me to just play ep/vig

Guild is only 3/10M doesn’t matter too much

If bosses aren’t dying it’s not my 50 dps

[uneven summit]

we have a rogue with around 14% haste, for him EP/Vigor sims better than BS/DS with Dashing

[ornate lake]

Ye, like I said. Probabaly only playable with very low haste

[uneven summit]

Idd

i actually didnt try ep/vigor with dashing, but the amounts of energy doesn´t seem necessary in any way when you get that much from playing bs/ds

[solid venture]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qW8TFWMPUxSEtuSSZH4T3e 24 dps increase with 262 dashing and bs / ds think i'll stay ep / vig / doomblade

[uneven summit]

what doms you using and what rank

[fathom flax]

It feels kinda good tabbing to a new target an envenoming and not having to worry about what bleeds are/nt on it to waste damage

[ornate lake]

Ye you need venthyr nadia for frost / dashing to really pay off

[solid venture]

r4 frost

only have 39% crit tho

[uneven summit]

try sim with r5 frost and see if the difference is alittle better, also dashing/bs/ds is usually better on venthyr, if you´re necro it´s neck to neck as i´ve seen

[solid venture]

i got exactly the amount of embers i needed to upgrade to r4 this week so won't be getting r5 for a while lol

[half quarry]

not really, depends on the fight

[fiery mauve]

What fight wouldn’t you want it

[ornate lake]

Well depends on stats too. Just sim yourself tbh. Like cev mentioned in the pins 🙂

[idle star]

Sin frost rank 3 is simming 300 dps behind my sub rank 4 unholy atm

St 5 mins

[ornate lake]

Bit unfair to sim R3 vs R4 but ok.

[fiery mauve]

And subt does out dps sin

[restive dawn]

When I’m running ToP or PF, would Dashing be a better legendary than Doomblade?

[fathom flax]

Why those 2 in particular

[weak bane]

I'd run obedience or zoldyck instead of dashing or doom in m+

[fathom flax]

This also

Crit / Mast for Zold on legs??

As it’s only for m+

[weak bane]

That's what I have yeah

[fathom flax]

I regret crafting obedience

[weak bane]

If your group needs single target really badly then obedience would be a better overall option. Barely behind I single target and more bursty which is generally better in m+ (my opinion at least)

Unless necro then fk it just play zoldyck

[restive dawn]

They’re what I have atm. Just assumed DB would be used since we mutilate more in these two dungeons. I use Zoldyck’s for everything else

[weak bane]

Eh I suppose it can work it just depends on your group
I definitely did run doomblade in top tyrannical a few times when my group was lacking single target

But yeah between dashing and doomblade for that, definitely doomblade

[restive dawn]

Aryt, thank you!

[vestal wren]

Updated Ambush/Mut GS Video:

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[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
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[vestal wren]

alright, works. sry for interrupting your discussion

[fathom flax]

Sorry I meant why those 2 Fungeons

[restive dawn]

Oh I run Zoldyck’s everywhere else. Was wondering about these 2 because I felt like I used mutilate much more than FoK in these two particularly

[kind talon]

You still would run zoldyck in plaguefall and top

Most encounters in those dungeons are minimum 3 mobs

[restive dawn]

Nice. Makes that easier then lol thank you!

[ancient rain]

guys could u remind me why we play ep/vigor instead of bs/ds?

[deft obsidian]

The flip side is that r4 frost sin vs r4 unholy sub, the former is simming ahead for me. Ive 247 ilvl so reasonable gear for both specs

[idle star]

Yeh i cant do mythic :( stuck with heroic. Didnt get anything from vault this week

[deft obsidian]

Vault is legit the only thing keeping me afloat, it’s like I’m loot banned in mythic

[idle star]

The difference between getting good rng or bad with vault is huge atm. Missing a week is devestating

[solid venture]

anyone else picked 3x research codex currency so far from vault in 9.1

[shadow tusk]

[mighty kiln]

Yes, with 3 mythic raid chest

[idle star]

I am replacing my 252 shoulders with 226 dom raid ones. Sadge. Means ive missed 3 weeks of vaults now, as in gained nil dps from vault

[deft obsidian]

Massively so, my mythic vault option tends to be tragic. Last week I took a hc helm as best option and this week was hc shoulders albeit KT hc > Tarra Mythic

[idle star]

Nice. Im choosing between 239 options or 1 x 252 as i dont m+ a lot

[deft obsidian]

From a raid perspective, the vault isn't anywhere near as impactful as 9.0 at least 🙂

For M+ options that is

[topaz sparrow]

this is fire

[fathom flax]

252 phial pls and then I can hang up the m+ towel

[abstract arch]

Any PI sim DPS changes with frost set ?

[kind turtle]

So on average does frost sim higher than unholy for assa?

[balmy condor]

if a spec was good before, it's still good, if it was bad, it's still bad

[balmy condor]

yeah

[solid venture]

usually when both sets are r4 yea

[kind turtle]

interesting

[edgy ginkgo]

how good is Sin in M+ atm?

[balmy condor]

worse than sub and worse than outlaw

[edgy ginkgo]

sad 😦

[weak bane]

Still good though imo but it's kinda like

[deft obsidian]

I mean its still viable tho.

[edgy ginkgo]

I'm a little tired of playing Outlaw rn...^^

[weak bane]

Why play it when you can just mash 2 keys on repeat on sub or outlaw and do more in aoe

That being said I mostly play sin, I just like it more

Playing more and more sub in larger pull dungeons feels nice though

[edgy ginkgo]

i'm playing Sin in raid and Outlaw in m+, so i dont want to play a third spec tbh

[deft obsidian]

Yeh like the DoS/HoA instances sub is a winner but depends on the key level/tank, if he pulls small backs its ultra zzzzz

[weak bane]

Yeah fair that's basically why I'm not playing outlaw atm

[deft obsidian]

Sin just has a level of consistency in M+ when pugging at least

[edgy ginkgo]

thats why i think about testing sin in m+, last time i did was in the beginning of bfa

[balmy condor]

depends on your definition of viable I guess

every spec in the game can do 20's

so if that's viable

then every spec is good

[topaz sparrow]

can u make it only work with procs?

[deft obsidian]

Well yeh I mean "average player base" viable.

[balmy condor]

no

that's the whole point

[balmy condor]

average player base doesn't do 10's tho

[hearty arrow]

Hey guys, is there a reason why we open with Mutilate (w/ master assassin talent) instead of ambush? ty in advance ❤️

[agile geode]

cuz mut deals more dmg

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[hearty arrow]

ah. so tooltip is false?

i see. that is super strange but reasonable

[slim jay]

i hate m+ this week

[weak bane]

Whys that?

[slim jay]

raging explosive

just annoying

[weak bane]

Had a pug bear today that didn't soothe once in a 17

That was indeed fun

[deft obsidian]

Touché

[slim jay]

i always forget to not use shiv

so things enrage and i cant soothe because im a small damage brain

[ruby oyster]

trash probably does more than soothing enrage i wouldn't be surprised if he just didnt had a free gcd

[slim jay]

at least ill have 2k io after i do my top this week

[mild dagger]

should we reapply garotte after the opener, in addition to the 3-4 ruptures? using zoldycks

for M+

[slim jay]

if they will survive the whole garrote or most of it

[mild dagger]

ok cool ty

[slim jay]

i usually apply subterfuged garrote to as many as possible and when its about to go out i vanish and redo

but maybe someone better than me knows better

[balmy condor]

you want to basically garrote on cd

[mild dagger]

yeah thats what i do i just wasnt sure if it was worth using globals to reapply garrotes

ok cool thats what ive been doing ty

[empty hinge]

Don’t they buy them

[balmy condor]

you're vastly overestimating how many people buy keys

[empty hinge]

Especially on Tuesday a lot of people are buying

[balmy condor]

yeah but "a lot of people"

is still like

0.001%

[fiery mauve]

Go bolstering this week

Pog bolstering

[balmy condor]

it's not bolstering

[fiery mauve]

It is not

But you can take bolstering anime power

And explosive gives you stacks

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah

probably decent

[empty hinge]

Bursting volcanic

[topaz sparrow]

whispers reading ur sims is like my whole life , where are the shards buffs sims , grace us with ur knowledge please

[balmy condor]

probably something I'll handle in the morning

not sure how I want to compare them

cause there's gear differences between them

I can't just be like "here's unholy, frost, blood"

[topaz sparrow]

i know , still u will find a way

[balmy condor]

this expansion is honestly awful

for displaying data

[topaz sparrow]

btw , i liked that macro mut/ambush but it can fuck up my vanish windows

if it procs on the first mut before vanish

or should i use ambush on 50% crit window

[balmy condor]

yeah giga don't suggest using the macro

that stuff aids

[topaz sparrow]

well it frees a bind 😛

[balmy condor]

just play ep/vig and don't press ambush I guess

[topaz sparrow]

fuck that i love that energy starve ambush coming for the rescue

[balmy condor]

based

[topaz sparrow]

well i guess its based

[spice spire]

It’s already morning homie

[balmy condor]

[grizzled orbit]

Should I wait to upgrade all my frost gems from 4-5 at one time? Or can I upgrade them as I get 50 cinders?

[frail solar]

You can upgrade them

[gusty mirage]

[topaz sparrow]

what is the base poison aplication chance?

[balmy condor]

30%

oh wait

no

sin

deadly is 50%

instant is 30%

[topaz sparrow]

i see so envenom gives us 80% chance to poison

[balmy condor]

ye

[topaz sparrow]

thx for rundown whispyr

[balmy condor]

np

[sand mauve]

Are u playing Frost set? My UH Set is still 500dps ahead. Both sets on rank 3 :<

[balmy condor]

gets better at 4/5 with higher ilvl

[frail solar]

^

Just got my forst gems to rank 4 yesterday, 300dps increase with new lego

[sand mauve]

hm ok then i have to wait until i can upgrade the shards

[shut leaf]

Sheridian do you have the shoulders?

[shadow tusk]

How much dps increase is the mut/amb abuse addon

[balmy condor]

probably a loss of like 50

[sand mauve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w8T5LvQEESgDMf3ppdLxT5

Thats how it looks atm

And im not sure if i should push my uh set or wait and all in frost set

[shut leaf]

I was just wondering cuz the many people are forgetting that they dont have the shoulders so they cant get the benefit from frost set bonus

[indigo mulch]

You can still run doomblade with frost gems you don't have to go dashing the moment you swap

[terse talon]

I was lucky to be unlucky with headdrops so was never able to build the UH set... So now I got my crit pretty high and the r4 frost bonus 🙂

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2bWdVJhGzurAZfQuyC7ppu

[pallid spear]

Frost better anyway due to defensive value and unholy 15stack is always in intermissions

[deft obsidian]

Defensive value is actually pretty legit 👌

[pallid spear]

Yes 100% insane for progression

and the unholy intermission proc is actually true aswell. painsmith and fatescribe are the 2 bosses where it always came up

[deft obsidian]

Yeh its omega sadge when it pops and you're just chillin waiting ha

[fathom flax]

I for one like being the 5th healer

We had a fuck up on eye last night and the explosion killed everyone who didn’t have frost set haha

And then still got the kill

Worth

[kind turtle]

How does the Kyrian lego compare to Doomblade in terms of a standard ST Raid encounter? Is it competitive or nah

[fathom flax]

No

Not that I’m aware of*

Sim yourself

We don’t deal in absolutes here we get the paddle

[balmy condor]

yeh it's not great

much better for sub/outlaw because they get free cdr

[kind turtle]

gotcha, ty

[fathom flax]

I’m pretty sure kyrian just isn’t the best for assassination

[half quarry]

i think on this raid necro is better than venthyr cuz theres not a lot sgt encoutners tbh

change my mind

[pallid spear]

you bring assa for boss dmg , venthyr does more

[oak jungle]

yo wait does the 7 point finisher from the animacharged combopoint also apply the equivelant CDR for restless blades and secret techniques? 😮

[fallow glacier]

Yes

[oak jungle]

oh shit

[slim jay]

so close to breaking 9k on sims

[deft obsidian]

Huge healing logs xD

[runic maple]

for dashing, does envenom increase the crits on ur posions on ur current target or is it a global buff?

[limber lion]

It works on all poisons.

[fathom flax]

I think global

[runic maple]

kewl

[fathom flax]

So it does in a way help to funnel damage right

Like painsmith, fok balls envenom boss more energy win win

[slim jay]

does the frost bonus only apply damage to your target for crits or does it apply damage to the target that got crit

since you said funnel i take that as it damages your current target despite what enemy it crits

[alpine garden]

Frost set always gives gold healing parses

[strange silo]

i played most of 9.1 with obedience and just swapped to dashing we just slam flag and only try to sync with vendetta if we dont loose a flag right?

[wary pawn]

any1 knows if i killed HC sylv already last week but this week i dont kill her, can i still get loot from her at vault?

[limber lion]

Yes you can.

As long as you killl other bosses to fill the vault quota

[wary pawn]

thats pog, y i did kill 6 already

[slim jay]

i thought you only got loot from bosses you killed that week

its not highlighting the bosses I havent killed this week

[fiery mauve]

It’s so you don’t kill terragrue 9 times

But 9 different bosses

But if you kill sylv you unlock sylv loot from vault rest of tier

[slim jay]

i guess ive never been lucky enough to get end boss loot on a week i didnt kill an end boss

[fiery mauve]

It’s 50/50, you get it or you don’t

[slim jay]

just give me dagger already

[rapid forum]

Imagine not having dagger

[slim jay]

no dagger no monk in my raid group

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-cry-reading-pepe-the-frog-sad-gif-17607942

im a loser

[half quarry]

why u dont have a monk wtf? XD

[slim jay]

im in a pretty casual guild

they just dont have one

[alpine garden]

Does anyone know what counts as a "critical hit" for Decanter of Endless Howling?

Is it just melee?

[balmy condor]

think it's everything

[vestal wren]

you can try by adding a stance modifier
e.g. changing:
/cast ambush
to
/cast [stance:0] ambush

i have no idea if it works

[wanton mortar]

dashing scoundrel sims arround 60 dps more for me, but i still see most rogues running doomblade, which one would you guys pick for sylvanas?

i have 41% crit

[hollow river]

Just try them both out

I haven’t crafted dashing yet but it’s a little ahead for me too I’d probably run it

[wanton mortar]

yeah im afraid to craft it since i play sub in most bosses and outlaw in m+

[hollow river]

Oh lol

I mean if it’s that not far ahead I don’t think it’s gonna make or break you ya know

Doomblade seems to do fine for most

[rancid pier]

Is anyone else having issues with SBS consuming a use but not applying or giving any cp?

Been happening a lot to me on my opener from stealth

[plain thistle]

probably getting parried

[drowsy parcel]

yeah it gets deflected from the front and just doesnt do anything

giga grief

why cant spells or arrows deflect

shit game

[fallen arch]

Ye super tilting when that happens in the opener

[solid venture]

just distract the boss so u can hit the back

[fallen arch]

Usually not possibly because of a bunch of dudu’s starting early

Assholes

[solid venture]

unethical gamers

[hollow escarp]

actually works

you also need to wait for the ranged spell animations to get close to boss before pressing sbs

[slow oriole]

Nonsense, you just pull early with SBS and blame the boomie

[solid venture]

i know it works cuz i do it everytime

[vocal stone]

is there a new Necro bug?

[hollow escarp]

don't think so, only old ones

[vocal stone]

but there fixed?

[hollow escarp]

some of them were fixed a few days ago

but the legendary is still bugged

[vocal stone]

okay

[soft shale]

also you can stand behind most bosses

we have stealth for a reason

[cold rampart]

i have 3 unholy shards one rank 4 and two 3 should i keep upgrading or switch to frost?

[runic reef]

Question re: Eye of the Jailer - Was wondering if Venth DoS ability can teleport you and avoid the beam mech

[radiant dirge]

Just shadow step

[drowsy parcel]

you can door of shadows

but cloak and shadowstep faster and more reliable

[radiant dirge]

Hmm never tried cloak, I assume you can literally just stand in place

[drowsy parcel]

ye

[radiant dirge]

Gotta try that sometime lol

[woeful meteor]

most optimal is probably cloaking when it comes from the right and shadowstepping left

[radiant dirge]

If you clear heroic, you can’t get embers from normal right?

[kind talon]

Correct

[slow sail]

Hi can someone clarify this on assassination faq? ". Obedience is very good as an overall choice, also pairs well if you're playing subtlety. Depending on fight timings, this can be a strong option."

[quasi venture]

Its not a bad legendary. works very well especially if you like to play sub aswell bcs its not a bad legendary for sub

[slow sail]

y but i play assassination 😄

so is it doomblade for raiding?

[quasi venture]

dashing scoundrel with frost shards.

[slow sail]

ah ok ,even on cleave add fights?

[quasi venture]

yes.

[slow sail]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-bow-michael-scott-steve-carell-office-gif-12985913

[quasi venture]

or i mean every fight has more then one mob in it in sancy d except guardian. but dashing is the choice.

[slow sail]

ok:)

[kind talon]

Frost gets benefit in cleave / aoe

Cause all ur dots on multiple targets work

[inland oasis]

No it depends on your current gear. Sim yourself. For me doomblade and obedience are still ahead of dashing

With frost

[slow sail]

y will do thx alot guys

[quasi venture]

but in the end dashing will still be better bcs its the better combination with frost shards rajh. thats only bcs atm your gear is shit and you crafted another legendary b4 dashing was a viable choice correct?

if he hasnt crafted a single legendary the choice would be dashing. if he doesnt wanna wait another 4-5 weeks

[inland oasis]

Yes currently my gear is shit, of course might be better to craft dashing now if you do not have doomblade or obedience already

[winged basin]

I’ll tell you what I am LOVING r4 frost + dashing

I went into mythic remnant prog and absolutely BLASTED

if it weren’t for having 2 boomies Venth with pi I would have SLAMMED the meters

Just have to settle for 3rd place

[kind talon]

Did u kill the boss

Not 3rd place yet if it’s not dead

Still room to get 1st

Poggers

[winged basin]

Nah, only had 30 minutes to prog, took us a couple pulls to get comfy with the mass dispel bs

Had some really solid pulls tho

we also had to run another healer cause that shit hurts

[obtuse island]

Got to go Venth with the frost + dashing right? If I’m necro better of staying doomblade and UH

[winged basin]

Depends on your gear, I’d probably sim

Venth Dashing Frost definitely better with the crit

[quasi venture]

bonesmith gem is not bad btw.

[obtuse island]

I’m not at 40% crit that’s for sure, but just wondering if i should start gathering gear to hit that

And swap

[winged basin]

It’s like 10.7k vs 10.4K ain’t it? It’s big but it’s not that huge

[obtuse island]

Or just stay, I just seem to remember that somewhere it said it’s not as good for necro?

Maybe I’m dreaming 😂

[winged basin]

Play what you want IMO

[quasi venture]

its a preferance after all

[winged basin]

you are always gonna do better playing to your strengths then swapping a whole play style for min max

[grim tangle]

dashing is not as good for necro, frost is still better

[winged basin]

well, numbers are numbers, but you know what I mean

[obtuse island]

That’s why I’m asking, as I want to stay necro :p

[winged basin]

If I was necro rn, I probably would stay necro personally

It feels really nice to do keys good

[toxic quail]

@balmy condor no more pugs for me bro. Just got a trial for a 5/10M guild on A52 that has no Rogue but wants one.

Yesterday was too painful. Haha

[winged basin]

I personally hate Venth in m+

LMAO

What happened @toxic quail

Who hurt you

[toxic quail]

Dude me and Whisp joined a pug for laughs and we weren’t the ones laughing. Haha

[winged basin]

LMFAO

[toxic quail]

That shit just took way too damn long between bosses.

[obtuse island]

Yeah I’m not a fan of Venth in M+ which is why I’m necro, I’ll just stick with what I’ve got

[winged basin]

I am thinking about applying to some new guilds aswell

[toxic quail]

And Remnant was not it.

[winged basin]

I still haven’t killed Sylvanas.

[toxic quail]

And the best part, it was just heroic dude.

[hollow escarp]

you can do like me and sim daily hoping that dashing will be better, atm it's like 50 dps behind for me on frost shards

[winged basin]

Cause my guild doesn’t find it as valueable as pushing mythic.

[hollow escarp]

gotta get those early world ranks for recruitment

[winged basin]

for reference we just started pushing remnant last night so not like we going crazy…

[toxic quail]

That’s what my last guild said. After we killed 10/10H they said “Okay it’s irrelevant for us now. Do it on your own time. We are going mythic and extending every week.” I said bye. 3/10M and we extending!? Bro people need more gear. I’m personally fine but other people ain’t gonna grind as hard as me.

[winged basin]

I just want a sliver of a chance at Dagger and Ring

Just a sliver

[hollow escarp]

that's recipe for disband

[slow marsh]

It works for Necro too

[winged basin]

[toxic quail]

Yeah dude I wasn’t a fan. I left yesterday morning when I logged on at reset. And I think 2 of my friends are leaving tonight after the shit show on Remnant they had.

We had 4 Hunters and 1 Rogue (me) and they said Sylvanas was irrelevant as a kill every week even when we have the skip now.

Like how dumb can you be.

[winged basin]

Our original plan was get out 3/10M for vault then finally start at Sylvanas with skip

We have 2 rogues

[toxic quail]

I get Sylvanas is annoying. But the loot is good for so many classes.

[winged basin]

I don’t know who else we have that benefit from sylvanas loot, but I’m not the only one complaining

[toxic quail]

It’s wild man.

I’m so sorry Toad. Haha that’s rough dude.

[winged basin]

Last time I complained they pulled me into a private chat room to talk to me

[toxic quail]

HAHA

[winged basin]

I think it’s time for me to move on soon.

[toxic quail]

Private chats. Hahaha hell nah.

Run dude.

[winged basin]

My friend told me to apply to a top 1-400 guild but my confidence ain’t there

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/zuljin/hikigaeru#difficulty=4

and my logs are just meh

[toxic quail]

I filled out 10 apps yesterday for guilds and right when I logged yesterday someone hit me. They aren’t the best but it’ll do for now.

[winged basin]

My mythic logs are Ight I guess

[cobalt pelican]

applying to a top 1 guild

big

[winged basin]

I gotta go do a parse run now that I have r4 frost and dashing

[cobalt pelican]

i'd leave any guild still avoiding sylvanas though

[hollow escarp]

too bad there is no top 1 guild on NA

[quasi venture]

Is paragon still recruiting

[cobalt pelican]

it's 250k for a boost from a community at this point, that should give you an indication of how easy it is

several pugs run it daily

[toxic quail]

Hahaha yeah my logs are slightly better and I still get turned down from top 500 guilds. I like to think it’s cause I’m a one trick Rogue.

And most guilds have 1 Rogue ready.

It’s just someone’s alt usually.

[hollow escarp]

a guild is not ready for raiding without at least 2-3 rogues

[toxic quail]

That’s what you would fucking think dude.

[gusty mirage]

I’m the only rogue in my guild

[hollow escarp]

as Mathias Shaw said

[winged basin]

I like my rogue buddy

He’s kinda one of the only reasons I’m still around, when I tilt and start malding, he malds with me

[gusty mirage]

Having another rogue is nice because you push each other to blast

[keen gyro]

Oir guild got 3 arms, 1 rogue and no enhancer👌🏾

[quasi venture]

[hollow escarp]

the only melee duplicate we have is rogue

[winged basin]

We have 3 boomies and one of our 2 locks trying to switch..

[winged basin]

THIS too, we are lil rivals too

[toxic quail]

I’m excited for my trial. Because we have 1 WW, 2 Arms, 1 Havoc, Me, and 1 Enhance.

So I’m in heaven.

[gusty mirage]

But I’ve been blasting lately

[hollow escarp]

wait oxi

[keen gyro]

Thats 6 melees^^

[gusty mirage]

I’m BACK baby

[hollow escarp]

aren't you raiding with Whispyr?

[toxic quail]

Good thing this is the best melee raid in a long ass time.

[hollow escarp]

typing too much for comfort

[winged basin]

I also started blasting last night, got another dom socket piece, put in shard of dyz r4 with my r4 frost and started BUSTIN dmg

[gusty mirage]

Nah he trialed for my old guild then they decided to call it for the tier during lol so he jumped ship to a better guild. Then my guild imploded this tier. I’m on zuljin now

[winged basin]

OXI

[keen gyro]

I mean windfury only buffs withing the enhancer group, so one will be left out

[winged basin]

what guild on zuljin???

[hollow escarp]

Glad to hear that

[gusty mirage]

HAGL

[toxic quail]

Oh yeah true. I better show em I need in that group.

[slow marsh]

Yeah the WW is left out

[winged basin]

No shit

[toxic quail]

Gotta blast.

[spice spire]

Ryfie empowers all on Zul’Jin

[gusty mirage]

Ya boy blasted a 99 on remnant heroic last night. We downed mythic soul tender last night too

[winged basin]

I’m in Welcome to Chilis :))

[toxic quail]

HAHAHA

[gusty mirage]

Tryin to make @warped temple proud

[toxic quail]

Love the name. Hahaha

[spice spire]

I had a 95 and played like shit

[gusty mirage]

Zuljin boys

[keen gyro]

Good luck! Supposedly rogues benefit almost more than arms from WF

[spice spire]

Wonder why it’s so ez to parse that fight

[hollow escarp]

you know who else is on Zul'jin?

[spice spire]

That’s not true lol

[cobalt pelican]

ah the classic 'supposedly' wf numbers

[gusty mirage]

I’m curious how some people had low boss damage on that fight. It’s like 99% remnant lol

[cobalt pelican]

passed down from generation to generation

[slow marsh]

Yep

[toxic quail]

Oxi out here pumpin dude.

[keen gyro]

Read it somewhere here today, hence supposedly haha

[slow marsh]

If only there was a way to sim it

[keen gyro]

Not today, sometime in the last days

[hollow escarp]

definitely not here

unless it was a meme

or some people coping

[spice spire]

DH big with totem trust

[slow marsh]

But ye you always leave out WW from the WF group unless you only have 5 melee

[gusty mirage]

AFAIK wft kinda meh for rogues. I think outlaw benefits the most from it iirc?

[lost hamlet]

Good morning all, I'm sure a repetitive questions at this point but lots of chat to read and didn't see a direct answer in chat.

I'm crafting my first 262 legendary this tier and also got my frost bonus last night. I am Venthyr. I am dabbling offspec subtlety for M+.

Although it seems the playstyle and DPS from DS might pull ahead, is it reasonable to first craft obedience under the circumstances?

Might need a bit on my gear for DS and also get some mileage on the 262 obedience in M+

[hollow escarp]

sub

[gusty mirage]

Oh true with the buff to technique

[hollow escarp]

[spice spire]

This is also pinned in general afaik

[slow marsh]

But with frost and dashing it increases value of wft

So that's old

[hollow escarp]

if you plan to offspec, clearly obedience

[gusty mirage]

I made obedience as my first 262 because it’s a jack of all trades leggo

[slow marsh]

Ye obedience is closest to dashing and can be used for keys so rock that first

[cobalt pelican]

you should probably just decide now if you're open to playing sub on soulrender -> kt where it's (arguably) better

if you are just craft obedience and do that

if not i'd just leave it at r4 for keys

[hollow escarp]

yeah, r4 is good enough for keys

[keen gyro]

Thanks for the clarification

[spice spire]

Anytime

[keen gyro]

Still wise to put rogue in wf group😁

For our ego

[slow marsh]

Unless you have 4 arms wars then yeah I don't see why not

[hollow river]

Sub

[gusty mirage]

Im pretty sure I replaced the enhance shaman in this guild

[spice spire]

If you’re pumping that’s all the utility you need king

Ez

[hollow river]

That’s

Bad

[gusty mirage]

So was the enhance shaman

[hollow river]

Enhance depends heavily on rng

16% variance on dps on average

[gusty mirage]

Kinda sad about it ngl

Would’ve been such a juicy raid group

Monk, warrior and enhance shaman

[hollow river]

I’m lvling enhance atm

[strange trail]

my raid group got a wat, enhance and monk tank, dream logs my friends

dashing assassin going high

*war

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Since I upgraded frost

My sin keeps up with the sub in my raid

On sylvanas

Everywhere else they’re pumping harder as sub

[alpine garden]

Is there an animation for frost set when it goes off?

[hollow river]

Kinda like a purple ice spike launches at target

Is the only thing I’ve noticed

Can be hard to notice as well

[fading vigil]

Is frost set good for sim?

Sin

[hollow river]

Yes

Depending on your set up

[fading vigil]

I am an outlaw main, but, I also have a 235 obedience

Is that any good?

[hollow river]

Sure

[spice spire]

Yes

[hollow river]

Dashing>doomblade are a bit better with frost

[fading vigil]

Fk

[alpine latch]

Obedience is our best overall legendary. It's not the best for ST or m+, but it's extremely competitive in both.

You can run it and raid and m+ and you'll perform very well with it

[fading vigil]

Well that gives me hope, I been using it for sub

But wanna start using mut spec again

[alpine latch]

Technically, for Sin you want it haste/crit and for Sub you want crit/vers. Crit/vers is good for Sin, so most people just make it crit/vers if they are dual-speccing

[thorny pond]

about 10% of the top 100 parses for any given fight use Obedience

[alpine latch]

The difference between the two is again, quite minimal

[thorny pond]

so you're fine

[fading vigil]

Got the 246 dagger from sylv

[alpine latch]

Yup. Obedience is great. Doomblade was only simming like 13 DPS higher than Obedience when I decided to go the Obedience route.

[fading vigil]

And a 252 mist dagger , so I am excited to use daggers lol

[alpine latch]

Jeez. Better geared than me and I'm a Sin main

[thorny pond]

Whelp, you and I cannot be friends now

[alpine latch]

Right?

[fading vigil]

💔💔

[alpine latch]

Worked my ass off to get a 239/233 combo

[fading vigil]

My friends , come back

[thorny pond]

I saw two leggo bows drop off the boss on the same kill yet still no dagger

11 total kills of this lady

and nothing

[fading vigil]

I’ve only got 1 heroic kill, multiple normal kills. The one heroic kill paid off though so I feel happy

[alpine latch]

I've seen daggers get looted - they just all needed them 😦

I'm still missing a ton of gear from raid. I can't even get normal versions of it

I'm about to say fuck it and try LFR for another shot as a shitty Dom socket

[alpine garden]

Same

[spice spire]

Why get drop off sylvanas when you get edge of night from the vault

[deep nimbus]

How do you use Vendetta in aoe?

[fading vigil]

On main target

[deep nimbus]

Does the rotation change?

[spice spire]

If you have a prio target, just vendetta that. If you’re in an m+, just send it

[deep nimbus]

like do you mutilate instead of fok

[alpine latch]

I'm (sadly) considering buying funnel runs just to get my KT shoulders and dagger

[spice spire]

Depends on what’s needed but more than likely not

[spice spire]

Yeah but you’re loaded

Definitely sucks tho

[fading vigil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mmvXwt9cxP8CSbUqiRqXra this is my set up, replace with a 252 in mh dagger, and 235 obedience. Y’all think this is doable? I do have r4 frost

[spice spire]

Yes

[fading vigil]

Obedience is on the cloak

[spice spire]

As it should be

[fading vigil]

Hmmmm imma have to hit the dojo today. Wanna test it out

What is some overalls looking like for sin? In keys?

[gusty mirage]

Overall can vary based on group comp, the way the tank pulls the dungeon, etc

[spice spire]

I’m a shitter but depending on affix and pull size anywhere from 8-10k

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn’t worry too much about overall

[spice spire]

Worry where you’re at on the meters. If you’re insanely behind, it’s problematic. But if you’re within reason you’re kinda gucki

[fading vigil]

Damn quake you’re beasting that’s what a lot of outlaw rogues do right now. Granted the top ones are doing above that

[zinc frost]

Could do 11k overall and still stand in all the bad 😝

[gusty mirage]

It’s kind of one of those situations where you’ll know how it is when you’re in the key based on the others in the group

[spice spire]

Nah I’m a shitter. But fragger oxi is a pumper tho

[gusty mirage]

Just don’t be sad if you have a god tier ele sham because they’re busted AF

[spice spire]

Or aff lock as I’ve learned

[fading vigil]

Can y’all keep up with necro Ww doe?!

[spice spire]

Seed is broken

[gusty mirage]

Yea seed of corruption lock is a stupid amount of damage

[fading vigil]

Seed is so scary lol

[spice spire]

0 damage boss tho

[zinc frost]

We can’t keep with monks haha. But we accept our role

[fading vigil]

Lmaoooo fuck monks

[gusty mirage]

Once we get a button that does that kind of damage I’ll worry about monks fuck em and their spinning crane kick

[fading vigil]

If you swapped mains from rogue to monk. You were born with no dignity. Monk alts are fine though

[gusty mirage]

I am not

[zinc frost]

There’s also a known bug that makes their SEF do 100 percent damage at end of its duration so take the damage with a grain of salt

[spice spire]

You shut your mouth oxi. Last night’s raid says otherwise

[gusty mirage]

I’m above average at best my friend

[fading vigil]

You got any POV videos or stream? I’ll stop by and show support

[gusty mirage]

Just one PI man my heroic remnant parse coulda challenged r1

[spice spire]

twitch.tv/oxi__

[gusty mirage]

Don’t expose people to my shit gameplay

[spice spire]

2 late papi

[gusty mirage]

Also if sylvanas could not lag for the first 4 seconds of every pull fucking up my rotation, that’d be super

Blizz pls

[zinc frost]

Ain’t that the truth..

[spice spire]

Sylvanas actually epic

In the amount of scuff in the fight

[gusty mirage]

Mut > snd > mut. Huh I have full CP and no snd

Sick

[spice spire]

Not sbs’ing your first global

[gusty mirage]

Imagine being necro summer of 2021 smh

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I’m a sub blaster in keys now I’m sorry

[spice spire]

Black powder enjoyers

[gusty mirage]

My IO for sin is still 2k fite me @spice spire

[dull crypt]

I have a rogue alt I do M15-M18 keys on and heroic pugs, reckon I should just upgrade zoldyck to 262 or go for obedience? What do you think the call is

[spice spire]

Fuck ur sin io still higher than mine by like 20

[slow marsh]

obed

[alpine latch]

By the way... Someone said Shard of Dyz was like super OP. I simmed a r4 Dyz and it was only 100 DPS. For it being OP, I thought it would be higher.

Not that I wouldn't love picking up 100 DPS, but I figured it would be more

[gusty mirage]

Still repping the sin boys

[kind talon]

Shard of dyz is like 1.2%

Or something at r4

Maybe 1.32%

[alpine latch]

I'm jealous. As of Saturday I was at 1300 and boosted myself to 1700 on Sunday.

[drowsy parcel]

0.44*3

[kind talon]

Which is pretty huge for like free damage

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I wasn't looking at percentages. I was just looking at raw damage

[drowsy parcel]

any mathematicians

[kind talon]

1.32%

[gusty mirage]

You can do it too

[kind talon]

🙂

[alpine latch]

My guild plays a lot while I'm working or asleep because they are degenerates. I mostly pug, and pugging is hard out here for a pimp

[harsh anchor]

Pug ez

[kind talon]

Just pimp it up bro

[gusty mirage]

Pugging is so frustrating

[kind talon]

Yeah pugging is actually terrible tho

[gusty mirage]

2.4K io shaman did 5.3k overall in my 19 sanguine

[kind talon]

Holy

[gusty mirage]

You can imagine how that went

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

Also had 15 interrupts

[kind talon]

He was uh

[gusty mirage]

I had 29

[alpine latch]

There's nothing worse than smashing through a run, someone dies and they just instantly leave. That NEVER happened to me on Alliance. It happens weekly on horde.

[kind talon]

Resto

Ye?

🙂

[gusty mirage]

He was stupid as fuck

[spice spire]

All sin - didn’t do keys in 8.3.
Deadass can’t time a mists to save my life. Can’t have the first boss for quicker than like 3.5 minutes

[gusty mirage]

Bring me to your mists, I gotcha

I’m a ingra pumper

[alpine latch]

I need to push like 17s to even get KSM this week, and my highest key is a 14 😢

[spice spire]

I need a blaster

I’m only a 10k ingra shorter

[gusty mirage]

I +2’d a 17 wake with another rogue last week. So it’s doable

[kind talon]

@spice spire move over old man

[alpine latch]

I have a few friends saving 16s for me for this weekend

[kind talon]

10k ingra?

[spice spire]

Sin check rq

[thin imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aJqFpuVr4G34zNZWQo1dT5

[spice spire]

Ye at 3.5 minutes though

[kind talon]

did u save cds for burn phase?

[spice spire]

4 fucking tree phases

[kind talon]

or just use them on tree

OOF

[spice spire]

Burn always

[thin imp]

would you do the change for a 18 dps? I can upgrade pants twice and is the item tha timproves the most

[spice spire]

Just yeah 4 tree phases lmao

[alpine latch]

What's the best boss killer for Mists now? I've seen Balance do like 25k on the first boss but IDK if that's even doable anymore. I don't know shit about Venthyr druids

My guild lost all of our Balance druids

[zinc frost]

Boomys pump

[kind talon]

fire mage

is the best mists class

[gusty mirage]

On fortified week?

[spice spire]

Cursed

[alpine latch]

wait, seriously? I thought Fire sucked in m+ now

[kind talon]

???????

[spice spire]

Nah tyran

[kind talon]

fire is INSANE for mists

[gusty mirage]

Fire’s actually stupid good still lol

[kind talon]

you get combustion on tree

[gusty mirage]

What key level

[kind talon]

and then you have combust up for weak phase

and you pump it up

[spice spire]

I know fire is good that’s why it’s cursed

[kind talon]

[alpine latch]

interesting, okay

[spice spire]

16

[kind talon]

what is cursed about this

[gusty mirage]

I haven’t 4 phased that boss since first week of m+

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

:oxipain:

[bleak sun]

Stuck to 2270 as sin cause no team

[spice spire]

[bleak sun]

[gusty mirage]

Bro we two phased it on a 19 last week

[spice spire]

[kind talon]

me too :oxipain:

2 phased on 20

[gusty mirage]

Bro HOW

[kind talon]

he was the only dps alive

[gusty mirage]

How tf do you 4 phase a 16

[kind talon]

they died to the fear man

gg

[gusty mirage]

It’s the only possible answer

[kind talon]

MENTAL rogue

[spice spire]

10k-8.3-8.0 iirc

[alpine latch]

I 3-phased a DoS run because I was the only one who could solo the fucking totem dude. Still timed it, too.

[kind talon]

whats ur overall in mists @spice spire

[zinc frost]

Were they asleep??

[gusty mirage]

What was the comp

[lavish lichen]

Resto?

[spice spire]

That depends on pull sizes ive ranged 7.8 on a miserable run - 9.7

[gusty mirage]

Idk they also had 15 interrupts all dungeon

[kind talon]

oh 10k 8.3 8.0 on ingra

???????