@fossil kiln yeah
#assassination
short token
short token
and we're using a weird ass count down system
balmy condor
you can hit that button
fossil kiln
take the outside position and shadowstep to your buddy
short token
so the raid leader...is calling out the frontal
balmy condor
and it'll import it directly into droptimizer
fossil kiln
do you have the weak aura?
hybrid cosmos
ah i never seen that before
short token
and THAT'S the indicator that the mass dispel is incoming in 3 seconds or so
hybrid cosmos
thanks alot @balmy condor
short token
so i've been blown off a couple times not being ready
balmy condor
no problemo, happy to help
short token
or being too fast
drowsy parcel
get the weakaura with a big ass cast bar whenever a priest casts mass dispel
winged basin
If i get BS proc off my first mut do I mut snd ambush garrote flag rupture?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x5MosxpeTvKTBFmid19Mbf finally broke 9k on sims :))
hollow talon
Got dashing frost set up now my sim is 10k now
winged basin
sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh
hollow talon
winged basin
you running BS/DS?
hollow talon
Nope that's with ep/vigor lol
winged basin
shiesh
drifting cloud
r4 set I guess?
winged basin
im only r3, my rank 4 puts me to 9.4k
hollow talon
Sitting there for like two gcd's waiting for energy
hollow talon
Yeah the rng on drops is really shitty
Only shoulders with socket I have are 226 tarangue ones
I've killed kt on normal and heroic every week since release
Hope I can get them today 150 DPS upgrade from the 226 ones
winged basin
I got 252 helm and chest
so its gonna hurt my soul when I finally get the dom socket versions and I have to swap
well not my soul, but my poor ilvl š
echo anvil
so I just got back after not playing for 3 months, what is the dashing thing that everyone is talking about? Is that just what the frost set bonus does?
ebon patio
Hey guys, any tips for the opener in Sylvannas? That weird status she is in at the start of the fight sometimes sucks the life out of my cp, sometimes she does not 
grizzled orbit
so I just got back after not playing for 3 months, what is the dashing thing tha...
Dashing Scoundrel is a legendary that sims well with high crit and frost set bonus from domination sockets.
timid talon
Does trinket/phantom fire crits count towards winds of winter?
rain gust
how do you sim shard bonuses? I couldn't find it if there is a pin
halcyon zealot
select the shards in the menu and then click the little check box that says āenable domination set bonusesā
dusky vault
Hey guys, any tips for the opener in Sylvannas? That weird status she is in at t...
Wait in stealth for an extra second until her hp drops then full send
ripe saddle
NOTE: The frost set requires a high shard rank and a lot of crit to work so well.
how much crit?
idle star
Yeh im rocking 43% crit but only 10% haste and 14% vers
timid talon
any amount of crit
it doesnt matter, it just makes crit better
you dont need X amount to run it
light marten
Can someone explain to me why dashing scoundrel makes the frost shard do more dmg
or why it is better than other leggos
timid talon
all crits do apparently, trinket/pf pot etc
slow marsh
Probably
Though I'm sure it's still pretty close compared to AGI pots just bc how AGI works
mortal pike
30% mainstat vs 30% energy reduciton š¤
static glacier
Iām a fan of the energy reduction personally
hollow river
do you need rep or anything to upgrade shards?
nvm
just had to exit the vendor window lmao
idle star
30% main stat anyday over cost reduc
You already get 20% with tslents during dance. Crazy not to take agi
Keep unholy at 4.
Lvl frost
mortal pike
What about BLOOD though boys
cobalt pelican
yeah what about it
just sim unholy r5 vs frost r4 for your gear
it's the same ember investment
frost is going to be better long term but
depends what you're progressing really
frozen zenith
Can someone explain to me why dashing scoundrel makes the frost shard do more dm...
dashing also gives u energy regen partially making up for low haste, and more energy = more abilities = more crits
light marten
facts
crystal totem
Stupid question but does winds of winter do aoe explosion on cleave boss fights?
quasi scroll
Anyone bored wanna take a look and see if there's anything obvious I'm doing wrong to be so low on this? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/42jJFzx3RN1wCafL/#fight=last&type=damage-done
idle star
Crits
crystal totem
Ok ty
frozen zenith
Anyone bored wanna take a look and see if there's anything obvious I'm doing wro...
u didnāt get gland
untold nest
Anyone bored wanna take a look and see if there's anything obvious I'm doing wro...
Link a non meme boss ?? š
frozen zenith
tarra is too rng tbh
quasi scroll
ok so don't kms?
frozen zenith
better to look for stuff on other bosses
quasi scroll
223/220 dagger is making me sad
frozen zenith
or u can reroll till you get op powers
cursive silo
Just do guardian
quasi scroll
ok
frozen zenith
but thatās just purely to feel good bcs tarra doesnāt even give you points on wowlogs
mortal pike
Anyone else getitng wicked lag in SoD atm?
ionic vault
!opener
untold nest
u know whats disgusting ? having a 1% wipe on the nine with a 98 log and next pull is kill but u get selected for shards 5 times
ionic vault
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
untold nest
literally i wanted to smash my keyboard with my head
cobalt pelican
play better next time
untold nest
Cloak it off to nearest target the second im selected and act like nothing happened ya?? š
obtuse robin
ionic vault
any particular reason why the Wowhead guide says to use flag before vendetta?
balmy condor
because that's how sims do it
obtuse robin
cuz its the right way?
idle star
u know whats disgusting ? having a 1% wipe on the nine with a 98 log and next p...
Nah thats nothing, playing sub and your stupid guildies pull early while you jave deathly equipped still and wrong gear before you can hit yoir gear swap macro... on 4 bosses!!!
ionic vault
because that's how sims do it
why wouldnt you want to get the dmg boost from vendetta on your flag?
ashen creek
Standard apl sims working for frost set yet or do I need to do some special shit?
balmy condor
Standard apl sims working for frost set yet or do I need to do some special shit...
standard works, no apl needed
balmy condor
why wouldnt you want to get the dmg boost from vendetta on your flag?
because using vendetta before rupture is up, is a loss
reef axle
true.....
lavish lichen
distant sable
Got 2 Sylv daggers in 3 days (1 drop 1 vault) - was debating on swapping to try out Sin from Outlaw
(233 that is)
cursive silo
I mean its good as outlaw and i donāt think you equip 2 normals as sin so
untold nest
do u sim higher as sin? give it a go. its not a hard specc to learn
untold nest
sims lower? stay laaw
cursive silo
Try it out
thorny pond
Got 2 Sylv daggers in 3 days (1 drop 1 vault) - was debating on swapping to try ...
I hate you
distant sable
both were pretty close when I ran a Sim earlier. Was sin the last couple xpacks before it was crap at the beginning of this one and swapped to law.
might give it a shot just to see. need to craft a leg for it which shouldn't be an issue really.
drifting cloud
233 dagger isnt even good for assa why would you be jelly š
it might be beating a 239 in oh for like 20dps
thats about it
obtuse robin
get frost dashing setup with bs/ds and that dagger sky rockets
drifting cloud
you play bs/ds on 1 boss in raid
thorny pond
āVigor feels betterā - this channel
thorny pond
Youāre starting to see DS sets parse well on every fight with deeper
thorny pond
Yep, anytime FoK starts to make up more of your gcds
But FoK with high crit feels and plays well
thorny pond
It can be quite strong if not similar
Think a lot of us still play sub in some capacity
thorny pond
yep. I have the #3 healing parse on soul render
obtuse robin
lmao
thorny pond
1.08m healing, 2.3k HPS
obtuse robin
that shit is broken
thorny pond
cranked a few vials to pad the numbers
obtuse robin
lmao
thorny pond
Like the raid doesn't have to pay attention to me. I do mechanics so the only damage I take is incidental
plus cheat
west geode
just replaced my 233 edge of night with a 252 and a 239 dagger feels bad (
solid mica
does dauntless duelist fall off when Kt dies each time?
balmy condor
believe it does, yes
solid mica
what a rip
rare bridge
Hey all!
So for BiS legendary... what is it? I thought it was 'Obediant' which messed with Flagellation, but my friend said to look into the rogue named 'JPC' who is using 'Dashing Scoundrel'
balmy condor
dashing is better with frost set
short token
wow is edge of night just really not that great?
rare bridge
Frost set the best atm then?
I know theres a crit strike point where either unholy or frost gets better than the other... Im just trying to go for whats best overall in the long term to be efficient
balmy condor
wow is edge of night just really not that great?
the normal one isn't omega, no
idle star
all this hype for it and its meh
i cant even get into heroic Fatescribe onwards with my guild...
because "its too complicated to teach everyone"
rare bridge
WoW
idle star
idk... the last few tiers our mythic raid team has been very, idk all about them
lowering raid size down to 20 whenever we whipe a couple times o nsomething as a group of 27
rare bridge
It sucks but its part of the job... The RL should be reaching out to the people messing up and asking them whats confusing them and if they are committed to actually progress. Its not fair to everyone else
velvet nacelle
i swear they nerfed drop rates for offensive powers in torghast, i'm getting like 2 or 3 things that affect my throughput per run the past 3 or 4 weeks
rare bridge
Theres obv a learning period but we have access to videos and strats
Yea I just ran Tor and got like no dps animas
idle star
i understand their main focus is the mythic team, but idk.. havent seen the backhalf of a heroic raid for a while and i usedto see it within first few weeks
velvet nacelle
like i haven't seen unceasing chain link for 3 weeks
cursive silo
i understand their main focus is the mythic team, but idk.. havent seen the back...
Just quit lol it seems they donāt want to play with you
idle star
its not just me, its the heroic only players who cant attend mythic due to life responsibilities
idle star
eventually i will, just taking a lot longer this Xpack
velvet nacelle
@idle star is your complaint that heroic is too hard or that pugs suck?
idle star
dude i get 1 x 252 option in vault and otherwise its 239's from the first 6 bosses heroic. im trying my darndest to get my ilvl up haha
velvet nacelle
i usually get 2 249-252 options per week and i'm only like 238
guess i'm being punished for hitting 225 early last tier
i was like 222 going into mythic raid
idle star
i started this tier at 213 ilvl, purely pvpd last tier. now im 238
velvet nacelle
i'm a little annoyed at my vault, i've already taken the merit tokens twice this tier
first week 3/4 items were backs
sterile ocean
Do i wanna vanish on Cd sorry just wandering
grizzled orbit
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ywm6RF7XPjvya9Hb#fight=19&type=damage-done&source=4 Look at that winds dmg boyyyyyysss
velvet nacelle
@grizzled orbit ooh
what tier are your gems?
i had invested unholy up to tier 3 so i couldn't afford much this week
grizzled orbit
4
velvet nacelle
i might be able to do tier 4 this week
i didn't invest too heavily since i figured balance was coming but i underestimated the soul ember rate
@grizzled orbit you gonna stay doomblade or you going daunting?
er.. dashing
scoundrel, i'll just call it scoundrel
grizzled orbit
will be dashing next week.
viscid spear
Using Obedience on Sylvanas gives me hives because I must not be good at uptime on that fight
velvet nacelle
i'm kinda strugglign in general with obedience, it's like i have this weird muscle memory that won't let me adjust for the changed timing
in other words, me = bad
sterile ocean
when should i use Vanish with master assassin?
sterile ocean
ah ok
strange python
I'm kind of surprised to see sin kill rates so low on later bosses even after frost scoundrel went live last week.
rare bridge
So is Obediance or Dashing the better legendary to have if can only have 1?
slow marsh
do you play sub
rare bridge
Not really... Mostly focus on PvE
strange python
Obedience is better if you multispec and if you aren't very very geared.
slow marsh
then dashing
obedience is a better 235 if it's literally your first leggo
since you can run m+ and raid with it
strange python
And if you don't get huge crit with dashing.
rare bridge
Just saved up for 162
strange python
If you don't have 40% crit the chances are obe is better
rare bridge
Im not super geared but working on it so would rather go for long term
Transitioning from outlaw to ass
strange python
But if you are planning long term, you'll inevitably hit that high crit for dashing
rare bridge
Aight thank you all!
Its also nice to see rogues doing so well this patch as opposed to last one. Sucks when a DPS only class isnt in top 5
misty edge
Anyone around that wants to dumpster me by looking at a log for mythic eye?
rare bridge
I would if had more exp deep diving into logs. But I can take a look in a few if wanna link. I know what tends to be peoples setbacks
halcyon crypt
so ice shard is bether than the purple one ?
strange python
You only cast shiv 8 times
Ill look for other things but that stands out as the likely reason
misty edge
wtf
I need to make a WA that pops up mid screen when its off CD i think
I never would have thought i did that poorely with that
strange python
There's good all-in-one WAs that will track your CDs, energy, combo points, and DoT durations all in one area
I think they're pinned here or just check wago
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
rare bridge
Unless im reading this wrong, you seem to be at 100 energy alot more often than should be
torn atlas
i swear they nerfed drop rates for offensive powers in torghast, i'm getting lik...
I don't think I've seen vein ripper this patch. Even the poison (red ink?) I've seen maybe 3 times.
misty edge
I will download that WA right now! thank you guys!
strange python
Np, gl.
misty edge
Which one of those do you prefer?
strange python
I'm on mobile so I can't see them. If they're pinned here they're equally good, just pick based on preference
misty edge
so about that, we wiped and pulled really fast, and for some reason, they didnt reset lol
strange python
Tfw guild doesn't wait for vend vanish CDs after wipe though
misty edge
^^
lavish stag
2mins doesn't reset
strange python
Half the reason I'm not sub atm is no sylv dag, other half is guild won't wait for vanish
velvet nacelle
@torn atlas first week it felt like it was all offensive powers, like i ran extra torghasts because it was fun
static glacier
so about that, we wiped and pulled really fast, and for some reason, they didnt ...
You need to speak up on comma to stop this
velvet nacelle
since then i haven't gotten sheeet
static glacier
Atleast itās no combust on sludge prog situation
strange python
You need to speak up on comma to stop this
Not all guilds care. Mine would rather pull again than wait for one DPS' CDs
I had to wait 30 seconds into our remnant kill to get vendetta. Still 95ed, but sad as fuck.
velvet nacelle
@strange python in fairness, during progression more pulls for fight familiarity trumps all
if you guys are getting to sub 5% wipes then yeah, milk damage
static glacier
Not all guilds care. Mine would rather pull again than wait for one DPS' CDs
Itās normally a few people since most cds have overlapping uptimes for the raid
rare bridge
Could work on Envenom uptime... Youre Rup and Gar are pretty good
misty edge
Yea we do get reamed over our logs haha i probabyl should have said something
strange python
Depends on what's causing wipes. Guilds who chain pull without analyzing what went wrong will spend forever on bosses.
velvet nacelle
for some reason, our guild is struggling with fatescribe runes on heroic
static glacier
Iād be very worried if vendetta was on cd and trueshot for example wasnāt
velvet nacelle
i have no fucking clue why, simplest mechanic ever
strange python
If it's just someone standing in bad sure, but taking 20 seconds to review what went wrong is better than sonic the hedgehogging it
velvet nacelle
but we just need to get people more cycles to see them at this point
i agree with you, but i also am a fan of pulling within 20-30s of wipe recovery
i hate guilds that take 5 minutes between pulls
i get so mentally checked out
misty edge
Could work on Envenom uptime... Youre Rup and Gar are pretty good
So for this youre jsut sayign instead of spamming them, if im not gonig to cap energy wait till the buff is almost expried before recasting?
velvet nacelle
i am, of course, strawmanning extremes
static glacier
Thatās what heās saying, you only spam envenoms during vendetta / Shiv or obedience windows
narrow ravine
six weeks of clears, no helmet domination socket
velvet nacelle
you don't even really wait for the buff, you wait til you're close to energy cap
static glacier
Outside of that hold your envenom until youāre close to capping energy
velvet nacelle
envenom is your lowest priority finisher
static glacier
Then mut to max cp within EP and repeat
velvet nacelle
outside of the aforementioned windows
you pretty much ONLY use it to avoid capping energy
misty edge
I def have been managing that horrifically then, this is going to be awesome
static glacier
Only exception would be if youāre in need to damage immediately or you expect to have downtime
Itās pretty chill tbh
strange python
I'm not exactly sure holding envenom for energy is correct when you use dashing
static glacier
Also makes it easier to have better Shiv windows
strange python
You likely just want as much env uptime as you can
rare bridge
Env is def not super high prio but feel like should still be up more. Def need more shivs
static glacier
I'm not exactly sure holding envenom for energy is correct when you use dashing
Heās running obedience
I think dashing naturally gains less from pooling
velvet nacelle
@strange python that's a fair point, i might sim it later
i can napkin math why and why not right now
strange python
Oh. Didn't check leggo. My b.
velvet nacelle
also, your name amuses me every time you say anything
grizzled orbit
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ywm6RF7XPjvya9Hb#fight=29&type=damage-done Frost is actually nuts. Critting for like 60k at times
misty edge
I want to swap to frost and dashing hopefully this week ill be able to
velvet nacelle
i never moved doomblade to back, it was still on my shoulders from last tier since we had no hope of downing SLG
rare bridge
Great Rup uptime too
strange python
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ywm6RF7XPjvya9Hb#fight=29&type=damage-done ...
It's my second highest damage.
rare bridge
Not sure how to find combo point overlap but something you should look for @velvet nacelle
static glacier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ywm6RF7XPjvya9Hb#fight=29&type=damage-done ...
Dashing not out Simming doom blade for you?
strange python
Only got one damage pot off and this was the pull without vend or vanish on pull. Frost is wild.
grizzled orbit
Dashing not out Simming doom blade for you?
It is, just cant make it yet like most others.
rare bridge
Someone said earlier ya should use Frost while using Dashing
velvet nacelle
i had to send a ton of soul ash from alts to my rogue to be able to make dashing this week
strange python
Frost is possibly better with the other legendaries if you have high crit.
velvet nacelle
i sat on my cinders since i was expecting stuff to churn
rare bridge
You can send soul ash? Can you send Cinders? Prob not
velvet nacelle
no cinders
rare bridge
figured... would be crazy
velvet nacelle
korthia has a vendor that lets you buy 250 bundles of soul ash for 300
so it's a loss
but if it's alts you aren't playing it's worth it since the first two runs of torghast each week are so rewarding
grizzled orbit
My crit is 42%. You need crit out the ass
velvet nacelle
what's your haste?
grizzled orbit
18%
velvet nacelle
damn i'm at 33% crit, 18% haste, 11% vers
grizzled orbit
8 vers
strange python
My crit is 42%. You need crit out the ass
46% as of this morning for me. Crit food is simming equal to agi food. Lol
Frost scoundrel is hilarious
velvet nacelle
you're also like 7 ilvl above me
@strange python so with dashing are you just basically envenom'ing as soon as you have energy for it?
strange python
<@456226577798135808> so with dashing are you just basically envenom'ing as soon...
Honestly with dashing I am only ever starved for energy during my opener
velvet nacelle
oh right, dashing has an energy component
strange python
And only for the garrote after Mut>snd>Mut
velvet nacelle
are you using dashing in m+ too?
velvet nacelle
my zoldycks is still like 235, that's the next one i was gonna r6
then maybe doomblade or maybe an offspec lego
strange python
I don't really do keys so I have no interest in ever getting zold above 235
I do my 15s and never go above
velvet nacelle
i can't even get into 15s
velvet nacelle
my guild mainly just logs on for raid already
strange python
My #1 question when I app to guilds is whether or not they do key nights.
velvet nacelle
ooc what kind of dps do you usually see overall in your 15s?
strange python
About 7k
velvet nacelle
i've been playing with a friend group since legion so that's sort of the problem
wide ridge
How many targets do we CT despite dot duration?
velvet nacelle
k, i'm usually anywhere from 6.5-7.5k on 15s
i try to maintain CT outside of envenom spam windows
even on single target
and you don't spam it, only refresh it
wide ridge
I mean in m+
strange python
Envenom buff is strong. Dont just spam CT
velvet nacelle
yes
you never just spam CT
hit it during the pandemic window, otherwise it's envenoms or spreading ruptures
honestly if you're trying to maintain at least 5 dots on a group, you won't have time to spam CT anyways
strange python
ooc what kind of dps do you usually see overall in your 15s?
Actually nvm, it depends. If it's a guild tank pulling big I can do up to 8.5k with dashing. If it's a pug going slow, I can fall as low as 6.8.
velvet nacelle
yeah that's fair
strange python
I'll probably build a 235 zold next week, now that I have 235 obe, celerity, master assassin, doomblade, and 262 dashing
velvet nacelle
my buddy is like afraid to do 15s, he's our tank, and so on like 13s he's pulling so conservatively i'll drop under 6k sometimes
i think 2 straight expansions of outlaw was enough for me
i have like an r2 celerity and that's probably where it'll stay
obsidian socket
tarragrue : pulsing rot hive or leech fang
strange python
Sub sims 300 DPS lower than sin for me atm. Wild
final bough
Odd, my sub sims 450 dps higher than my sin.
thick wagon
Anyone else notice the Orbs of Torment on Remnant of Ner'zhul don't refund SBS when they die?
short token
@thick wagon it's so annoying, the shadowgrasp totem is even worse nothing in the raid reduces it's cooldown it pisses me off
strange python
Anyone else notice the Orbs of Torment on Remnant of Ner'zhul don't refund SBS w...
They don't give energy regen for rupture either. I think they're not technically coded as dying, but "cleansing" or some shit
thick wagon
oh then fuck it time to tunnel
timid talon
252 decanter 
actually pretty good with 42% crit
hasty siren
!bs
prisma monolithBOT
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dark token
oh then fuck it time to tunnel
definitely dotn tunnel
you still wanna garotte rupture orbs for energy on boss
and add dmg
hasty siren
!bs
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message
rare bridge
Should you focus on CS over Haste until about 40% CS? Using Dashing
short token
dashing is simming a good 250 lower than doom, granted my doom is 262 and dashing at 235..and my crit sucks - i think it's safe to say i should be rolling on high crit gear now in raid as my bis yeah? sucks because 3 rings dropped off heroic sylv tonight and i rolled as a minor upgrade and didn't get any
my crit doesn't suck...it can be better though
balmy condor
dashing is simming a good 250 lower than doom, granted my doom is 262 and dashin...
a 262 dashing will probably be close to equal
dark token
theotar + winds of winter is busted
dark token
healing as much as a tank
rare bridge
@dark token Have the link to actual logs for more details pls?
rare bridge
tyty
velvet nacelle
that feeling when you're the top damage on carrion worms on the first boss in wake on a wipe
hunter and warlock other dps
static glacier
If only this was mop
velvet nacelle
hunter also hit like 3 explosives that whole time, had me running around trying to pop em all
static glacier
Warlock would be telling you to not touch the worms
Speaking of dungeons, what spec do you guys prefer doing keys as
velvet nacelle
i feel like with a hunter no explosives should ever pop and no melee should be able to hit them
assassination is fun now
hasty siren
!bs
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message
velvet nacelle
and i'm pretty close to my outlaw damage, if not higher now
dark token
Speaking of dungeons, what spec do you guys prefer doing keys as
sin > sub >>>>>>>>>>outlaw
static glacier
Iāve not run many keys as sin this expac, I did prefer triple SS sin to outlaw on specific dungeons / affixes in Bfa
static glacier
More than the other two specs, outlaws damage relies less on burst
void pecan
I mean, can you play both at the same level? Do you need to worry about anything other than boss damage?
dark token
should i go frost dashing for mythic painsmith
depends on timers, i would say if the boss comes back from stage 2 around 3 min go sub else go sin if its earlier
but if the boss timers look like this
sin will fucking crank
hollow talon
I mean, can you play both at the same level? Do you need to worry about anything...
pretty much, although sin is less cd's to line up so prob a bit easier to play
the balls hp got nerfed so i dont need to hit them much
just pumping into the boss
i sim about the same as both, my sub gear isnt great cause i dont have sylv dagger
sick elbow
Hey guys, I got a question... If I'm a NL Sin rogue, would I want to go with deathspike or doomblade for a leggo? Normally outlaw and just setting up a nice set for each just to be able to play them both, but blood mallet seems to only have venthyr specifics for Sin rogue. Which I know is better, but NL was the best choice for both specs IMO so I went with that
dark token
Hey guys, I got a question... If I'm a NL Sin rogue, would I want to go with dea...
doomblade 100%
or dashing, sim yourself
doomblade is a safe choice tho
sick elbow
Right on I figured, would deathspike be nice to have on the back burner for AoE? Or is doomblade better overall?
dark token
i dont think doomspike is used by anyone right now
outlaw uses celerity and sin uses zoldyck (necrolord) or obedience (venth)
hollow river
What site has those sims?
They are made by the theory crafters here
hollow river
I see them linked all the time
Check the pins, where that same picture of sims is. And click the tinyurl link.
Just remember that is with dom shards disabled.
spare flame
Trying to find the crazy outlaw sims that put it over 13k st
hollow river
Check sub pins
regal cape
Damn even my r3 frost set was outsimming UH with fresh dashing this week. 40% crit off gear paid off lmao
Pumped Farm, r4 for prog tomorrow now
soft shale
unholy proccin on painsmith intermission pog
show those running balls who the boss is
obtuse robin
da dream
strange python
Does the sylv dagger sim correctly?
soft shale
yes not that strong for assa
strange python
233 slyv dagger sims lower than 226 dag
dark token
my winds of winter did 100k more for me than it did for our outlaw rogue at the same rank
he malding 
strange python
o.O
obtuse robin
cuz u lost the stats and 233 version is trash
regal cape
233 exists to live in OH
strange python
I'm kind of surprised to not see more scoundrels on top logs tbh
regal cape
I dont think most people had embers to swap
Or people were focused on UH r5
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eLmZ1qRb4rv7tcaRAibYrp Even doomblade sims substantially higher with Frost for me know
rose violet
9.8k 
paper blaze
Yo guys question here ive seen the pins already .. saying that for sin rogue wich one should be outstanding necrolord or venthyr.. right now im venthyr using triple potency for m+ couse i really dont like that proc of mastery couse u have to be standing on it and necrolord could be good on both raid and m+ so idk wich one should i go
balmy condor
for all legendaries
they're both fine
it's preference mostly
if you play sub, should go venth, since that's really good on sub
if you play outlaw, go necro
he is
bold jetty
- frost is good def
balmy condor
that's what he said he's using
paper blaze
Im just playing sin xd
balmy condor
yeah then just play whaever you want to
probably necro if you want to push keys harder
paper blaze
Isnt a real reason for playing sub beside its like more ez on keys but outside from that isnt like crazy high like in legion
balmy condor
I mean sub is 100% better in keys
paper blaze
I mean sub is 100% better in keys
Ya thata right
balmy condor
it's also better on some raid fights
paper blaze
Obidience still best legendary for st and aoe for sin right
Or doomblade is doing more in st
severe sparrow
im mad. idk what gear yall have but unholy sims higher for me unless i sim them all at max upgrade, which i wont be at for what, idk, a few weeks? 
balmy condor
Or doomblade is doing more in st
dashing with frost
balmy condor
im mad. idk what gear yall have but unholy sims higher for me unless i sim them ...
are you simming dashing?
severe sparrow
i also cant get dashing to sim higher
severe sparrow
shit i gotta figure out which window it is now
paper blaze
So now is dashing with frost only for raids or all content
regal cape
im mad. idk what gear yall have but unholy sims higher for me unless i sim them ...
Idk I have 1k crit rating and its far and away best, do you just have omega low crit
paper blaze
Idk I have 1k crit rating and its far and away best, do you just have omega low ...
31% crit should do the crit rating for the frost or how much
balmy condor
31% probably fine
regal cape
I have 40% crit
regal cape
fair
severe sparrow
i have 31 crit. also, which sim to link, the shit i have now or with fake all shards at max?
paper blaze
Well im 220 atm jajajajajaa
regal cape
I'm 244 ilv
balmy condor
either one will work
strange python
Also wtb not swapping sides for eye intermission:/
severe sparrow
jfc ok i ran another cuz i couldnt figure out what tab was what and i got this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pY6JN5PZQvBnKtFcmwwUp1 but then also there's this one cuz i realized i dont have windfury totem and idk why i left that on, and shards all at foreboding cuz that's more relevant https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pQAQPdGgp4yiwwXascPr8Y
severe sparrow
i think i fucked something up with that bottom one though :l
lean coral
gonna try out the frost in raid tomorrow
velvet nacelle
just did some lfr to try it out
hollow talon
i have too much crit now tho i think i need some haste
sims telling me haste is pulling ahead a little bit now
velvet nacelle
how much crit?
guys in here earlier were saying they were 42-45% and their winds were doing like 15% of their damage
balmy condor
yeah I think once you hit 45 you probably are getting to the point where it's too much
velvet nacelle
i'm so far from that
though if the sylvanas chest drops, even in normal, that'd be another like 3%
arctic walrus
crit still better for me with 43
balmy condor
crit bussin
arctic walrus
yuhh
strange python
yeah I think once you hit 45 you probably are getting to the point where it's to...
I'm at 45 and my sim is yelling at me to keep stacking crit
balmy condor
still? jeez
arctic walrus
the higher ranks you go the more you want crit
arctic walrus
that's debatable honestly
soft shale
i still remember the sub profile we did that had 61% crit
kind talon
True, Iāve seen 107 crit as well
soft shale
still better
i guess for assa it would be even funnier
tbh i have fond memories of bfa and getting to 200% vers and being immune to damage
arctic walrus
I know you're lying because you'd never stack any other stat other than mastery
soft shale
haha you didnt see me make a crit and vers set too
strange python
still? jeez
Yeah. So I know stat weight isn't the most useful tool, but at 46% crit (1280) my sim has crit at a 3.0 stat weight, haste 2.5, vers 2.3
soft shale
crit was kinda funny as assa
strange python
Rank 4 frost
strange python
Putting a 16 crit gem in my belt is a 60 dps upgrade LOL
velvet nacelle
well you beat me in every category @lean coral
arctic walrus
well any socket is worth around 50 ish
ripe sparrow
Hi how is rotacion for assa rouge i in necro
Need rotacion for DT raid
balmy condor
jfc ok i ran another cuz i couldnt figure out what tab was what and i got this h...
these seem normal enough btw, looked at some higher ilvl/crit stuff it kinda pushes more towards dashing
but the first sim there seems fine
balmy condor
Hi how is rotacion for assa rouge i in necro
Need rotacion for DT raid
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
strange python
Hey whisph
balmy condor
hey cutie
strange python
Whispy* how was your time away bb
We love you
Rogue army will fight for whispyr
strange python
:(
balmy condor
so I came back
strange python
Vax breakthrough?
strange python
Sucks
severe sparrow
ok i figured it out. doom+unholy sims higher for me unless i assume all shards are maxxed, then it swaps over 
cries in fucked up stats
balmy condor
straight through my impervious double pfizer shield
velvet nacelle
@stark whale how bad were symptoms?
velvet nacelle
a few friends have gotten delta on the breakthrough and they said it was like a flu++
balmy condor
it wasn't too bad
real bad headache for like 2-3 days
fever
cough
still coughing but is aight
but yeh, flu+
mythic flu
velvet nacelle
the sympton that always scared me was the whole "feel like you're drowning" oxygen starvation
i love oxygen
soft shale
man i hate that feel like when i broke my ribs
winter moss
who else gets all excited with the new painsmith timings
winter moss
sick elbow
https://i.imgur.com/YR0poeb.png
A guildie of mine actually uses doomspike bracers as a Sin rogue and his single and Aoe dps is usually the top in the guild on most cases, he's actually the reason I'm getting a Sin set going for single target lol.. I ended up going with doomblade cloak though since I have a solid outlaw AoE spec to fall back on and will switch to the Sin for singles. Thanks for all the info! I will be making that Zoldyck next though just to check the difference in AoE!
Err Deathspike, getting all these names mixed up lol
velvet nacelle
262 dashing made, woo
sick elbow
He honestly kills the DPS with the extra spikes, I'm sure you will not be disappointed! Might have to try that out before the Zoldyck seeing how good he does with it
gloomy fern
is he doing good or the guild just bad
sick elbow
Hahaha figured that might be said, the guild is not bad he's just a good rogue. 9/10 heroic, he does about 9k+ single
sick elbow
Well he has changed my mind about it, but I agree with the logic lol
fallen arch
Just canāt see any fight or scenario where it might be better than doomblade, dashing or obedience
pseudo nimbus
May the RNGsus be with you my fellow Europeans 
sturdy mesa
2late got shit 
wind dune
after 35 plaguefalls it's finally real. We got a phial boys 
zinc frost
Grats!
lethal zodiac
Anything got something good? Im Stuck at work wont be able to open vault before 4 pm 
nova crypt
after 35 plaguefalls it's finally real. We got a phial boys <a:party_dogo:753688...
Got it after 2 runs in my vault the next day š
mossy crown
I got Sylv heroic dagger as an option or 252 bracers with haste/vers
balmy condor
I need to nut
balmy condor
I got Sylv heroic dagger as an option or 252 bracers with haste/vers
ty I coomed
lethal zodiac
just gonna leave that here
:poggers:
steel ridge
now Whispyr needs another nut
alpine elm
I have gotten KT trinket every week this far
balmy condor
god I'm stiff as a board
steel ridge
mossy crown
not really to sure what to take
fallen arch
Iām gonna screenshot my SFA for you Whisp when I get home dw
steel ridge
was hoping for a domination socket...
mossy crown
bracers do sim higher, but it's dagger..
steel ridge
but big dagger? i take it
fallen arch
Heard you like that abbreviation
balmy condor
Heard you like that abbreviation
I realized I've seen it before but it took me like 15 seconds to recognize why I've seen it before
balmy condor
huge
idle star
Im rocking a 239 oozling trink.. im still good right fellas??.. right?
steel ridge
Im rocking a 239 oozling trink.. im still good right fellas??.. right?
got the same
slim jay
hopefully my guild can kill heroic guardian on thursday and i get the upgrade
steel ridge
its really good, right? right
idle star
Lol idk
balmy condor
hopefully my guild can kill heroic guardian on thursday and i get the upgrade
I got it week 1 from our kill
if I can loot it week 1
so can you
slim jay
pog
cold patio
Woap Woap got phiole 252
steel ridge
walk up to that mf and grab it
mossy crown
can't decided what to take from GV
steel ridge
take what is yours
slim jay
i just want to have heroic on farm so i can parse
heavy coral
Woap Woap got phiole 252
Ggs
hybrid cosmos
do we have up to date coventant/soulbind & lego combinations after the dom. set changes?
balmy condor
Woap Woap got phiole 252
balmy condor
do we have up to date coventant/soulbind & lego combinations after the dom. set ...
no, it's on my to-do list tho
along with like
25 other things
but ya know
heavy coral
heavy coral
Dashing bis, making BS+DS playstyle so smoooth
balmy condor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3DKt5PqdH3X4pykB9wkHA3
I'd take the dagger personally
mossy crown
that's the way I was leaning
balmy condor
don't know when you'll see another dagger
wrists are yucky
fuck wrists
you can get a pair of wrists off the street
hybrid cosmos
is there an easy way tp compare soulbinds and/or covenants?
balmy condor
who cares
balmy condor
is there an easy way tp compare soulbinds and/or covenants?
top gear
hybrid cosmos
to sim myself
zinc frost
Good to see some pog vault items (cries in shit leather pants)
balmy condor
just change the soulbind
mossy crown
I have 252 and 242 tanglethorn
hybrid cosmos
is there an option to swap covenant? without actually swapping
balmy condor
is there an option to swap covenant? without actually swapping
just change the soulbind
hybrid cosmos
ok š thx
wind dune
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nA4VVKpPurxZDkBNHFMRGm big sim for my i level
shadow tusk
Do you guys use mouseover rup and garote
balmy condor
Do you guys use mouseover rup and garote
used to, but was annoying, don't do it anymore
slim jay
tab stab, tab stab, tab stab
thin nexus
Does anyone run DeathSpike Legendary for M+? Seems good for fortified weeks, but would like to hear some opinions before I craft it
slim jay
make zoldyks for m+
zinc frost
Does anyone run DeathSpike Legendary for M+? Seems good for fortified weeks, but...
Iām gonna craft it and test it this week
fallen arch
Same
drowsy hollow
I'm using obedience for m+ right now, but I'm a baddy
shadow tusk
I miss necrobois 
drowsy hollow
Flagellate yourself as penance
I need to do the last 3 covenant chapters. Can't wait to transmog the new set
thin nexus
I run Zoldyck normally, but it's pretty boring. DeathSpike at least spices up the gameplay. Was hoping it's good š¦
foggy socket
so...you want 2 sylv daggers right?
pine grove
Hmm. 200 DPS to be gained by swapping to frost. Not too bad. Looks like it's time to prepare.
foggy socket
aka i shouldnt waste valor on any daggers this season lol
worthy cliff
guys i need help
How the hell is it a +1238 boost
or did i do something wrong
foggy socket
i have no idea what you simmed lol
worthy cliff
just compared trinkets i got in vault
foggy socket
so....252 box? vs what?
worthy cliff
242 box
crystal delta
so...you want 2 sylv daggers right?
Id say take a 252 in Main Hand and sylv dagger in offhand, exept for if you can get it on mythic of course š
crystal delta
Did you compare it to Not wearing a trinket at All?
foggy socket
Id say take a 252 in Main Hand and sylv dagger in offhand, exept for if you can ...
i have a 246 and 233 already so that is a positive. i'd take a 252 if it comes up in the vault i suppose. doesn't seem like it is worth trying to get a 246 valor dagger is all
drifting cloud
because you made it ilvl 346.
foggy socket
lol
slim jay
hacker
crystal delta
i have a 246 and 233 already so that is a positive. i'd take a 252 if it comes u...
Id agree on that, either you get a 252 or use 2x sylv sounds like a Plan, i got a 252 in 2nd week but i also dont have a Single sylv dagger yet
And i killed heroic 3 Times and normal 4 Times or so
heavy coral
@balmy condor heres ur cum material
foggy socket
i got both daggers from vault
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> heres ur cum material
slim jay
im cooming
foggy socket
yeah the only way to get it sim any higher is another sylvanas dagger
i just tried every possible combo in both hands
lol
gentle gyro
man not having time for m+ really gimps your choices, huh
time to sim the ring vs the neck I guess
novel arrow
@balmy condor Hey do you know how to sim theotar as main stat?
balmy condor
shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary
novel arrow
ty
Anyone actually going frost shards?
It seems to be over 3 weeks of prep to go to Rank 4 Frost
And crit gear
It's gonna be hell
novel arrow
I got rank 4 Unholy atm
shadow tusk
Yeah i had that too
novel arrow
Switching is kinda oof
shadow tusk
Rank 3 Frost simmed 250 Better at 32% crit
novel arrow
dam ok
drifting cloud
upgrading uh from 4-5 costs same amount as frost 1-4
worthy cliff
so dashing with frost pays off
ivory hinge
i mean it's beating out 262 doomblade @ 235
worthy cliff
well damn, im still saving cinders for ds
tender frost
prob still use doomblade until you have 3 frost shards tho right ? just gearing my alt now.
ivory hinge
I'd sim to be sure but maybe
tender frost
yeh DB still sims higher for me.
gentle gyro
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rv7Nc4Hvdqy6eMqBxsCFvN
jesus
ivory hinge
frost is even more busted as outlaw but I feel like it crits harder as sin
highest frost crit as sin was 58k
as outlaw was like 44k
idle star
rank 4 frost
Rank 4 im comin baby! Give daddy a couple weeks to get my down payment sorted
ivory hinge
honestly feels like infinite star's
slaps so hard
every 20 seconds it's just chunking your target.
gentle gyro
i can only get r3 frost this week...if i get my fucking shoulders
worthy cliff
Yours are lvl 4 right?
gentle gyro
can I sim the set without actually having a shoulder piece?
worthy cliff
Yeah i have 2 of em at 3 and one at 2
worthy cliff
I think the shoulder piece has the effect for frost
ivory hinge
yup
worthy cliff
so that one is pretty much one of your key items
ivory hinge
essential if ya wanna be a snowman
hm maybe in top gear? not sure tbh
or gear compare, I didn't see if they had a check box for the dom pieces.
gentle gyro
eh I'll cheat a bit and modify simc input, brb
verbal flower
gentle gyro
unless you plan on killing M sylv, you won't replace the chest
and the ring is crit / mastery, no?
eternal turtle
how many ilvls is a socket worth
balmy condor
depends on the slot
gentle gyro
sockets on rings / necks are worth more than on pieces with mainstat
alpine garden
tfw you get a 252 haste helm with a socket in the vault but can't take it because dom shards š¦
pseudo nimbus
What would you guys take? Fusion Amplifier sims 20 dps higher than phial. But it seems like it's too low ilvl and will be replaced.
I own 246 phial and 236 totem which I plan to upgrade which I gues will perform better at the 246.
half quarry
eternal turtle
@pseudo nimbus would go for phial myself, that raid trinket drops like 3 times each week on that boss and its only hc
slow oriole
My Sims would beg to differ :D
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rabJSRxJLPgbBg6ryRKNBF
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/adaMtsy1GJV7bP6aa37zhq
buoyant kraken
Anyone know how much stygian ember you can get per week?
limber lion
What would you guys take? Fusion Amplifier sims 20 dps higher than phial. But it...
Phial is bis and you'll never replace it, would definitely pick that.
arctic walrus
Anyone know how much stygian ember you can get per week?
40 heroic, 10 weekly, a variable amount depending on mythic prog
pseudo nimbus
@limber lion @eternal turtle Thank you guys. That's what I was thinking too. š
buoyant kraken
r4 frost dream will be next week then š I need 65...
toxic root
shadow tulip
At least that's how I ALWAYS saw/heard it
shadow tulip
I know they don't like it because of "ass" but c'mon
You could call it TION too while you're at it
alpine garden
I'm am ass man myself
shadow tulip
I'm am ass man myself
I'm a boobs man personally... LUL
granite sentinel
Guys can I ask please
Dashing better then doomblade even on aoe fights? Like The Nine, etc. When we constantly getting energy from multiple raptures
shadow tulip
For first lego I crafted doomblade
balmy condor
I'm am ass man myself
shadow tulip
Ppl bring your assa ass (lol how this sounds) for your ST damage
I'll craft my 2nd lego today and it's going to be Celerity because I do M+ on outlaw
So my 2nd assa lego has to wait
quasi oar
any idea on why raidbots just disregards selected dom shards for me?
real bay
check the replace gems box
quasi oar
ah right
that should be it, thanks
just reinstalled chrome a couple of days ago so these things reset
raven torrent
Does someone have the proper Heirmir WA which shows when gem is up as well as its cd?
weak crescent
would a 252 dagger do better than 233 sylvanas dagger ?
placid pagoda
would a 252 dagger do better than 233 sylvanas dagger ?
Sim it
idle star
For assa,yes 100%
weak crescent
what would be a good website for a sim ?
idle star
Raidbots with the aimulationcraft addon
misty holly
not thesims.com?
idle star
Simulationcraft addon from curseforge, type /simc in game. Copy the text box and paste it into raid bots
weak crescent
alright thank you !
balmy condor
My Sims would beg to differ :D
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rabJSRxJLP...
insane
I simmed it myself to double check
and it was within margin with bs deeper
no clue why it's so close
karmic crystal
EP buffs the frost explosion I believe
balmy condor
Yeah but bs/deeper is faster and more envenom uptime
karmic crystal
So you get the +10% on your damage that stacks up the explosion and then you can force that damage to have another +10% applied
balmy condor
With enough gear I think ep/deeper is actually a serious consideration though
misty holly
Is there a way to track when frost is about to explode?
karmic crystal
yeah
misty holly
so you can make sure to have EP up
karmic crystal
Just look for it on wago
karmic crystal
With enough gear I think ep/deeper is actually a serious consideration though
Presumably at a certain haste point
balmy condor
Presumably at a certain haste point
Ilvl Crit and haste all together seems like
Idk
Sim stream tomorrow I can look into it
Try and find some general numbers
abstract venture
@balmy condor link your stream plz
fallen arch
Whisp
balmy condor
Right Click me hit profile
karmic crystal
Yeah sorry I wasnāt advocating for neutering your other stats just to reach it
fallen arch
Big Shadowgrasp in vault
shadow tulip
Big Shadowgrasp in vault
Don't like that
balmy condor
Big Shadowgrasp in vault
Shadowgrasp relationship ended, fusion amp is my tig bitty gf now
shadow tulip
Jebait to use tho
slow oriole
If it is any help, throughout gearing my haste and crit stayed relatively level with each other and my mastery dropped. Along the way I only had BS/DS sim better ST, but cant remember what my setup was at the time
fallen arch
Unless someone in here is gonna tell me not to
balmy condor
Yeah no go for it
Youāll replace with mythic fusion amp
But thatās probably gonna be a while
balmy condor
Shadowgrasp perfectly fine for on use
Take it and put your head up king
Big gains
fallen arch
I thought it would have been more gain on add cleave tho
balmy condor
I donāt think the timing works out in its favor on hac
Could be wrong
Idk
Hac bad
All the homies hate hac
misty holly
I wonder how soon hall of fame will clear. I cant do mythic raids until it does š¦
fallen arch
imma sim it for dungeon slice too
fallen arch
I wonder how soon hall of fame will clear. I cant do mythic raids until it does...
lel, gl waiting on that
balmy condor
Deadass the only time I sim HAC is to double check that an apl change is consistent across multiple time to deaths and general fight types
fallen arch
Oh I just fast checked the numbers for hac on Bloodmallet for trinkets
balmy condor
Yeh
fallen arch
prob not the best thing to do
balmy condor
Idk why they do that
But I guess hac is more consistent
Than dungeonslice
For most specs
fallen arch
Is it possible to add the tormentor powers to dslice?
Like, u get em on different times each dungeon
balmy condor
Uhhhhhhh
fallen arch
But I feel it would be a good add to the sim
balmy condor
I donāt think thereās support for anima powers
drowsy parcel
any shit vault enjoyers
balmy condor
But thereās nothing really to play around and the best ones have already been tested
So
drowsy parcel
m+
solid venture
for m+
oak sky
zinc frost
Ring is not bad for high keys if you need vers too
shell cloud
At long last good GV
full tide
Youāll replace with mythic fusion amp
Fusion Amp + Phial generally the way to go now then?
ruby oyster
yo guys following raidbots and using r4 frost set i dropped down to 13% haste and 29% crit (i have way too much vers) in that case i should use DS instead of vigor? it also sims higher but it always would even with much higher haste values
full tide
Night bro
night cypress
are there tarragrue power rankings somewhere?
karmic crystal
Take the one that makes you knock back and the one that makes you stun everyone after you die
night cypress
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