assassination

[slow marsh]

I'm honestly surprised it's not yellow names this time. Good job

[winged basin]

It’s definitely been getting worse

[fallen arch]

Ye weird

[winged basin]

I wish my name was red

[fallen arch]

Nice change of pace tho

[fiery mauve]

We should be taking our anger out on the turquoise class

[spice spire]

Why tho

[frigid kestrel]

Last time it was this bad was when someone told Whisper that Sin Rogues scale harder with main stat then any other class and stuck to his guns

[harsh anchor]

Mage?

[sharp zodiac]

I swapped back to Necro weeks ago. How do I shed this awful blue role tag

[fiery mauve]

The monks

[bleak sky]

sub? more like suboptimal GOTTEM

[fallen arch]

Remove ur sub thingy in channel

[harsh anchor]

I guess I’m colorblind

[subtle kiln]

#bot-spam

[spice spire]

They’re chill. We appreciate our melee brethren

[winged basin]

POG?

[spice spire]

We don’t respect boomkin tho

[fallen arch]

They give mystic touch

[winged basin]

damn it

Now I’m yellow

[fallen arch]

Ofc we respect em

[bleak sky]

now remove yellow

[slow marsh]

Yeah fuck boomkin

[harsh anchor]

Monks and rogues mesh well. They turbo adds, we turbo boss ez

[winged basin]

POG

LETS GOOOO

[sharp zodiac]

Feelsgoodman

[spice spire]

Creating anti-Druid propaganda

[sharp zodiac]

YELLOW OH NO

[fallen arch]

There ya go laddie

[winged basin]

We killed the nine last night

[sharp zodiac]

We back boys

[slow marsh]

The color of the elitists

[winged basin]

So now I get to prog heroic sylvanas Sunday

Finally get to kill the heroic sylv

[bleak sky]

[slow marsh]

Ahhh so much more refreshing already

[bleak sky]

help

[fiery mauve]

But why

[wooden knot]

ok i redid the sim with the set bonus checkbox unchecked (because honestly who would trust a rogue) and I can confirm, dslice runs without the set bonus

[sharp zodiac]

what is the sim for

[spice spire]

That’s pain melb

[bleak sky]

dslice checking for enchants

[bleak sky]

I had the big dumb and clicked more than I should have clicked

[bleak sky]

but now the sim's running so I dug deep in the sunk cost fallacy

[winged basin]

Only parsed an 8.3 :((

[spice spire]

Set Bonus or nah?

[winged basin]

R3 frost cause I don’t have helm

[bleak sky]

frost

[fallen arch]

Prog kill?

[sharp zodiac]

Frost so stronk

[winged basin]

I’d have r4-5 frost but I went unholy gems first

yeah prog kill

[spice spire]

Ahh get ur weight up then

[fallen arch]

Thwn dw, ur good

[spice spire]

You’re weak if you don’t

[slow marsh]

Not bad for prog kill tbh

[sharp zodiac]

I feel that. I have all 3 sets at R3

[winged basin]

The deal was we kill the nine mythic, we get to work on progging sylvanas

[bleak sky]

first kill = just kill it

second kill = orange or bust

[fallen arch]

Orange or bench u mean

[slow marsh]

I'm chill if I get high blues on prog kills. Next time yeah orange or bust

[bleak sky]

ayyy oz

[winged basin]

I am 200ilvl lashing, still 226 dagger sadge

[sharp zodiac]

I’m chill if I get 0 on prog

[winged basin]

I am missing quite a bit of juice

[bleak sky]

200 lashing big sadge

[sharp zodiac]

If shits dead I’m cool

[slow marsh]

I'll grey parse a prog kill

[bleak sky]

yep, no problem

[fallen arch]

A 0 usually means ded, not ideal

I dont wanna die on prog kills

[winged basin]

I feel incredibly disgustingly behind, even though I’m probably not

[spice spire]

Boss kill > parse. Just wanna do my part. But I’m still set bonus-less

[fallen arch]

F

[sharp zodiac]

I’m actually convinced you can’t die with frost bonus

[spice spire]

I pulled an 8.3 (albeit heroic) last night with no bonus toad, pretty unlucky

[sharp zodiac]

I feel invulnerable

[slow marsh]

This. I can't wait

[spice spire]

On the 9

[fallen arch]

Wait what

[fallen arch]

I’m running unholy

[winged basin]

The cape is DB not dashing

[bleak sky]

you can if your healers don't want to dispel you

[slow marsh]

Cloak it onto someone else. Their problem now

[sharp zodiac]

Raid lead perks

[winged basin]

I do this, or run to the group and cloak cause my healers auto age 50 years on that fight

[bleak sky]

I thought about it. Real hard.

[winged basin]

Our dispels were disgustingly slow

[bleak sky]

cloak is too tempting

[spice spire]

I just try to game that fight with a precloak

[bleak sky]

oh shit

jjust like inerva?

[spice spire]

Yep

Works the same

[bleak sky]

that's dope

[sharp zodiac]

Just put yourself high up on the priority list in the ERT note so you get dispelled first Everytime

[slow marsh]

last week we had 1% wipe on nine because i didn't cloak dispel and was sitting on marker like an idiot waiting to get dispelled when the boss was at 17%

I usually trust heal team but i'm playing greedy as fuck this week

[sharp zodiac]

Tricks your tank on the eye and be just smash the add as soon as it spawns

Be greedy

[slow marsh]

yeah i do that

[bleak sky]

tricks tank
rupture garrote add
back to eye

[fallen arch]

If the healers know you hit biiggg numbers they probably will

[bleak sky]

that's my plan usually

[winged basin]

This is cap.

[fallen arch]

Or lead urself

[winged basin]

I’m sorry

But it’s cap

[fallen arch]

Right

[sharp zodiac]

We just have melee prioritized to be marked with star to be dispelled first

[bleak sky]

yep, big cap

[slow marsh]

not add, the eye intermission

[winged basin]

cause I am too dps in raid 90% of the time and that is not how prog went yesterday lmfao

[bleak sky]

my group is self dispelling healers -> full pepega mode after

[fallen arch]

Or u know, be friendly to your healers

Goes a long way

[slow marsh]

can confirm

[bleak sky]

We're all friendly, they'd just rather do something else

[winged basin]

nah, I told my GM yesterday that I was tired of wiping on mega ez bosses

and that if shit didn’t change I was going to burn out and quit

[bleak sky]

If you open mic to ask for a dispell, gm tells you to fuck off

[fallen arch]

That’s the thing, a loot of dps arent

[winged basin]

we killed 2 bosses yesterday cause of it

[spice spire]

High key toxic. Respect the grustle tho

[slow marsh]

I live longer than anyone else in raid team for every fight since I got my spot on sire, healers notice that stuff

[sharp zodiac]

You being upset to your GM inspired your team to kill 2 extra bosses

?*

[bleak sky]

I mean, wiping because people can't do basic stuff is tilting

[fallen arch]

They do

[slow marsh]

If heals know you are doing your part then they will make sure they do theirs for you

[winged basin]

It is toxic. Definitely not the person I am, but we want to be a CE guild so bad and they aren’t acting like we want to be a CE guild.

[slow marsh]

If you're dying to stupid shit they will just let you die

[delicate smelt]

trying to play with Blindside and DS. Do you guys have problem with capping because of Ambush procs?

[slow marsh]

no

[sharp zodiac]

No

[bleak sky]

no

[slow marsh]

you need to spend more

[sharp zodiac]

If you’re full CP don’t use ambush

Spend EV then use ambush

[spice spire]

I agree - to much more of a degree than I care to admit. But if you’re doing the absolute best you can that’s all you can control - I tend not to focus on other things until several wipes on

[winged basin]

No being upset to my GM inspired him to hold our raiders accountable for their fuckups and dog dps.

[bleak sky]

and getting yourself killed because others fucked up on basic stuff is SUPER tilting

[thorny lion]

How much haste u guys Running? I guess 25-30 is a sweetspot or ?

[winged basin]

13% haste rn

[bleak sky]

no haste sweetspot

just sim your gear and run with it

[sharp zodiac]

think I’m like 35% crit and like 23% haste

[slow marsh]

i mean not getting tilted easily is one of the biggest factors to be a CE raider in the first place

[pure moth]

Atleast you are running a set....

[spice spire]

I’m not a CE raider just Cba unless someone’s egregious

[sharp zodiac]

I don’t do tilted. I just do the disappointed dad voice

[winged basin]

I wasn’t tilted, wipes are GOING to happen on mythic prog.

[thorny lion]

Yeah i have 13% also and it feels so fking bad

[bleak sky]

Yeah, I expect wipes on new bosses

[slow marsh]

hahaha we love it

[bleak sky]

not on bosses we've killed already

[winged basin]

but when you spend 2.5 hours wiping over pool placement on a boss you’ve killed already..

when your guild is MORE than capable of being 4-5/10 right now

I know my guild can do more, and if officers won’t hold them accountable, I will.

[slow marsh]

Then you just leave guild I guess. Like if you are doing everything you can do and you're not able to help the people around you then just move on

[thorny lion]

Did u guys wiped on eye?

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah the worst raid nights are the nights where everyone seems to get their own wipe to fuck up

Infuriating

[winged basin]

2nd tier of mythic and we are still reminding people to prepot.

[sharp zodiac]

[slow marsh]

yike

[winged basin]

Yeah we spent a whole night on eye because of poor pool placement

[sharp zodiac]

I just start calling that shit out

[spice spire]

[winged basin]

we get in trouble for calling BS out

[thorny lion]

Feel u

[sharp zodiac]

You need a nice WA with a Wilhelm scream reminder when you get it

[winged basin]

Yeah but I know how to do pools, my guild needs to just not monke

[sharp zodiac]

I meant all of you need it

[olive peak]

how can i sim unholy set wiothout actually having it?

[sharp zodiac]

I mean black pools suck but that shouldn’t be wiping you guys

[winged basin]

So it’s not me TRYING to be toxic to them but ya know.. come on.. reminding people to augment and prepot? Officers without chest enchants..

But this is off topic, apologies

[obtuse robin]

pools should not wipe u unless ya r legit dropping them on the fchains

[winged basin]

:))

[obtuse robin]

or the dps is just so bad

[slow marsh]

you have to grab the simc link for the item in wowhead and pretend you have said item to see what it would be like compared to current gear

[winged basin]

Tell that to the boss room with nowhere to stand

[slow marsh]

I mean if it's like that then its for sure time to move on

[winged basin]

I love my guild. I love the people in it.

[obtuse robin]

oh so its a dps issue

[winged basin]

no

[slow marsh]

My guild has its problems for sure but there's at least a lot of progress being made to try and be a bit more competitive

[obtuse robin]

? lol

[obtuse robin]

if u dont have anymore room to move cuz of ppols its an dps issue

[winged basin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1LMc9qpnPRFVr6AB#boss=2433&difficulty=5&wipes=1

Idk maybe it is idk

[obtuse robin]

my guild is casual and we pulled nine for the first time yesterday and killed in 6 pulls cuz dps is so high way more room for fuck ups

[winged basin]

Wow

I wish man

[spice spire]

Why are you 6 healing

[shy dust]

Prepotting not a big deal tbf

[obtuse robin]

6 healling eye?

yea theres ur problem

[spice spire]

Oh no

[slow marsh]

its 5 heal

[spice spire]

WW had to die early

I mental boomed

[sharp zodiac]

If your raid-lead knows the Overlaps on the nine its super easy

[spice spire]

But why is your BDK tank second in healing

That’s actually

[obtuse robin]

it felt like nine was much easier then eye

[winged basin]

[hollow escarp]

it is

[winged basin]

I am scared to apply to other guilds.

[slow marsh]

Yeah I think with bdk you go 4heal right

[winged basin]

Nine is easier then eye

[sharp zodiac]

Nah we still 5 heal with BDK

[slow marsh]

interesting

[shy dust]

Why

[winged basin]

But my confidence isn’t there to join a better guild

[shy dust]

A no is a no

[spice spire]

I mean BDK heals a lot but can get into some sketch situations

[slow marsh]

makes sense though

[shy dust]

But it could also be a yes

[slow marsh]

yeah fair

[winged basin]

idk tbh, my parses aren’t bad.

[sharp zodiac]

The boss is pretty free on re clears with gear so it doesn’t really matter

[clever kindle]

Just have the whole raid run blood shards then you can remove all your healers

[winged basin]

I could probably get into a top 500 guild

but my confidence in myself is none existent

[sharp zodiac]

You’d never know if you didn’t try

[slow marsh]

Our prot pal tank is gearing his bdk rn and i hope he follows through with it

[spice spire]

Top 500 is a pretty hard ask - but it never hurts to try

[clever kindle]

keep in mind that higher ranked guilds will also have more expectations of you, not to say you arent skilled enough

but time commitment is more important there

[winged basin]

These are all without set bonus

I need to go back in with my set bonus and parse

[clever kindle]

Having mythic parses from past tiers is more important then heroic logs imo but everyone will see that differently

[winged basin]

I played mage last tier

So my mythic CN parses are nonexistent

[clever kindle]

You're often filling a role or have a specific assignment, you dont always have the go ahead to blast and get your 100 parse you know

thats all I mean there

Ive known plenty of people that can smash buttons and did great until they had mechanics thrown on top of it

[winged basin]

Yeah, just a lack of confidence. I do mechanics pretty well I just get anxiety like insane

[clever kindle]

But best thing imo is do some m+ with a prospective guild, hope in VC and talk with them while running something

[strange python]

how does Heimir's 57 renown work with the blood set? is it worth in any situation ?

[clever kindle]

It's not quite a raid environment but it can definitely help those guys get a feel for who you are as a player

[winged basin]

This is something I really gotta do. I am only like 1470 io

I have had full focus into the raid

haven’t pushed heck all for keys

[clever kindle]

Dont worry about the IO, it's more like

A job interview in a way

[winged basin]

This is my first xpac PLAYING the game

[slow marsh]

this helps a lot

[clever kindle]

You're showing them how you play, how you react, etc

[winged basin]

every other expac was just meh I’m here

[slow marsh]

I mean if you want my honest opinion

[clever kindle]

we are often more hindered by our expectations for ourselves then our skill level

[slow marsh]

you sound like you fit well with your current guild

[shy dust]

Seem to be doing very fine

Given most have the set bonus

[slow marsh]

you are on the higher end of your current guild and so i can understand why you have frustrations

[clever kindle]

just go and blast, if it pans out it pans out but you wont know until you'll try. And yeah that can be the rough thing too, knowing and liking your current guild and friends but being frustrated with your progress

[winged basin]

Nylotha was my first tier really raiding and seeing this pushed me to wanna do better

[slow marsh]

but you have lots you can still work on personally imo if you wanted to prep a transition to another guild

[clever kindle]

I played outlaw up until nzoth then I got forced to go sin for a few months

[winged basin]

Like what? I am down for all the knowledge you can give me

I want to improve and get better, I feel like I have plateaued hard as hell. I’m stagnant and I’m not getting better or worse currently.

[ripe saddle]

Question about flagellation. Do you use it on CD when you build up CP to use or wait for vendetta?

[clever kindle]

my damage to boss nzoth parse was pretty spicy

[ripe saddle]

!flagellation

[winged basin]

Use it on CD unless you KNOW you won’t miss a cast

[ripe saddle]

Ty

[heavy coral]

Time to do something, i hope it wont be a mistake in the end

[clever kindle]

Level the frost shards

[shy dust]

#assassination-faq

[heavy coral]

[slow marsh]

for starters you can get ksm and grind valor for certain gear pieces. that shows commitment. you can work on your set bonus and get back into heroic and blast. you can work on survivability. there's lots of stuff you can do other than just, welp my guild sucks so i'm not gonna try

[slow marsh]

@winged basin

[arctic hare]

Whoot whoot, just timed a 12 DOS

[clever kindle]

I live life on the edge I upgraded that first week I could

enjoy your fat dps

[heavy coral]

Welp, frost set simming way above unh for me

[slow marsh]

are you using obedience

[sharp zodiac]

You just made DS…..I would hope it is

[shy dust]

Gz

[ripe saddle]

about to craft it yea

But I have mutilate one already doomblade

[winged basin]

Thanks I definitely will work on it. I wanna be the best version of myself. CE with a phat io while working 60-70 hours a week

[heavy coral]

Yeah, intended

[slow marsh]

If you're using obe then you cast flag on cd but sync every other with vendetta. If you're not using obe then you sync with vendetta unless you'll miss a cast (boss will die before vendetta is up/vendetta will only be up for a few secs)

[slow marsh]

Np. I mean it's not a huge deal like I get that it can be frustrating feeling like you're hitting a wall more because of other people than yourself. You just have to really think about what it takes to push past that and if it's worth it to you, and if it is then you have to put in the work.

[bleak sky]

oof

[winged basin]

Yeah no, I ain’t blaming my plateau on anyone but me. I don’t even know if I’m super behind, I just feel like I am

[bleak sky]

getting 2k score certainly helps a lot

get those 246 phials/totems/weapons

[slow marsh]

also you should hold flag for vendetta btw

[strange python]

whats opener at The Nine? Pure ST start and then after Vendetta multidot/bleed?

[winged basin]

Pugging my own key has proven to be rough. and uhh since when?

[slow marsh]

Since forever

[slow marsh]

You sync flag and vendetta unless you'll lose a cast

exactly

[strange python]

Many fights this tier are long enough to lose a cast doing that.

[slow marsh]

na

[strange python]

?????

Soulrender is a ~6:30 fight for most guilds first kills. That's long enough to lose one.

[slow marsh]

so you cast both on pull

then again at 2min

then again at 4 min

then agian at 6min

[winged basin]

On my nine kill if I would’ve synced I would’ve lost 2 casts

of flag

[slow marsh]

then only time you should be casting flag outside of vendetta is if you have obed or if the fight is over soon

[winged basin]

I got 5 flags on a 7:22

[strange python]

^

[winged basin]

And 4 vendettas

[sharp zodiac]

This for the nine

Or eye

[slow marsh]

yep and your flag was never inside vendetta window after pull

[bleak sky]

I don't see how all of this is relevant

[slow marsh]

so a lot of good that did you

[bleak sky]

He knew he would lose so he didn't sync

isn't that the standard? why are we talking about this

[slow marsh]

it finally lined back up for the last flag

no its not

you sync unless fight is gonna be over and you'll lose a cast

[bleak sky]

exactly

[slow marsh]

so the only time it should be desync'd is in the last 30 s of the fight

[wispy plaza]

wtf

[winged basin]

ye, but if I sync’d I lost a cast of flag and fusion amp that kill

[slow marsh]

i know i know

you hit fusion amp on cd

that's irrelevant

[winged basin]

am confusion

[slow marsh]

sync your cds next raid night and thank me later

but still fusion amp on cd

[winged basin]

Seems like loss tho

What’s your logic?

[slow marsh]

my logic is that that's the correct way to play sin

unless you're using obed

[strange python]

Just get fae guardians so they line up 4head

[winged basin]

trueeeee

[deft vault]

Imagine thinking you'll get your guild to give an Assa rogue stuff kekw

[winged basin]

Imma make my shadow priest give me fae

[jolly comet]

are yall getting 30 reduc almost every time with obed or no?

[slow marsh]

no

[winged basin]

nah

[slow marsh]

you'll be around 25s

[deft vault]

My guild ranged go crazy when I say I should get PI

[winged basin]

I was getting pi for awhile

but now I don’t 😐

still the best tho

They giving it to our demo lock and look where he is on our kills compared to me

[deft vault]

I got pi on the nine parsed 100 and people were mad at me lol

[winged basin]

shitters amirite

[deft vault]

May or may not have made a deal with our priest for the pi tho

[limber lion]

ok this frost thingy is kinda nutty

[slow marsh]

It's because it's generally more efficient on demo, but I need to get my lock to give me sims to confirm after buffs

[deft vault]

Might but more efficient but player skill have to be considered

[slow marsh]

It's almost like I wasn't crazy 2 weeks ago when I started causing a ruckus talking about it 😛

[strange python]

I misplayed the absolute fuck out of soulrender and got a 97 with it lmao. It's strong.

[winged basin]

Cev I need an adult

[subtle otter]

is frost still the best? Im thinking maybe blood does more dmg? seen some ppl with frost and 44%ish crit doing like 250k with frost while blood link does over 400k?

[sharp zodiac]

At least you beat the guy who had 8 fucking PIs

[fiery mauve]

Where that

[winged basin]

Iceblades says I should be syncing flag and vend, faq says I shouldn’t be unless I know I wont miss a cast, I would have missed a cast on my nine kill so was I supposed to desync? @limber lion

[sharp zodiac]

Imagine getting 8 PIs

[deft vault]

Yeah 8 is crazy lol

Like 1 pi every flag cast?
Was he venth?

[sharp zodiac]

Dunno would have to look

[slow marsh]

faq says the same thing i am saying tho. you are misinterpreting i think

[sharp zodiac]

I just know because I was like 7th after reclear couldn’t believe buddy got 8

[winged basin]

My life is a lie, and idk what to believe, my identity crisis is going to make me a yellow boy

[bleak sky]

logs?

[winged basin]

Ye, I had a 7:22 kill on the nine, if I were to have sync’d my casts I would’ve lost a Flagellation, that’s bad no?

[slow marsh]

I mean I guess I could be wrong but idk

[subtle otter]

this is for sub but still

[limber lion]

Yes, you use it on cooldown and do not sync it if you know you'll lose a cast.

[sharp zodiac]

Not playing venth couldn’t tell you

[slow marsh]

I would think the gain for using flag inside vendetta is higher than one individual cast but

[fiery mauve]

I think deeper daggers effects blood

[limber lion]

Or like all of us were because the unholy set was seeing such massive nerfs.

[winged basin]

That’s would I thought

[limber lion]

And when Whispyr had already done his frost sims prior to that nerf.

[bleak sky]

Some people over on #subtlety are reporting higher sims with blood as well

[slow marsh]

That was last week

[bleak sky]

might be hella gear dependent

[slow marsh]

I was the one who pushed whisp to do the frost sims prior is what i'm saying

because it was a gain even before buffs n such

[arctic hare]

So, if I haven't gotten any shards from any of the bosses, can I still get some from LFR?

[fiery mauve]

No

[bleak sky]

or not, nvm

[arctic hare]

Oh, that sucks

[fiery mauve]

1 boss 1 chance

[arctic hare]

Thats crappy

[deft vault]

@sharp zodiac hes necro just checked

[winged basin]

Jokes on you, I full sent frost from the start

[grand depot]

How much crit do you want to have if you playing 3 frost shards?

[winged basin]

And got hella meme’d on

[arctic hare]

So theres no way for me to get any shards from any of the bosses besides the ones I haven't killed yet?

[fiery mauve]

Correct

[sharp zodiac]

You got it

[arctic hare]

Thats terrible lol

[stiff tapir]

You can

[fiery mauve]

Sylv is garunteed one every week

[stiff tapir]

Sylvanas drops a share

Shard

[arctic hare]

oh, cool, I haven't touched sylvanus yet

[spice spire]

And wb drops rev

[arctic hare]

one more unholy shard, thats all I need lol

[spice spire]

Same

[unreal parcel]

So to be clear, always sync flag and vendetta unless you will lose a cast at the end?

[rocky pecan]

No

Never sync or if you you loose a scast at end

Imagine boss died in 1 min and you are 30 sec before vendetta but can flag you wait 30

[spice spire]

Wat - you definitely sync flag unless you lose a cast

[rocky pecan]

Wat

[winged basin]

I knew this was going to happen I got confused by someone telling me to sync and now the mass confusion is inc

[narrow minnow]

you guys are saying the same thing...

[winged basin]

^^

[spice spire]

I know that’s why I said what

[subtle otter]

so assuming deeper daggers affects blood, would u go frost as assa or?

im unsure of what to upgrade

[spice spire]

He’s saying no - but it’s yes

[spice spire]

That’s for #subtlety

[rocky pecan]

You always sync flag and vend?

[spice spire]

And u is saying the correct logic. If you’re going to miss a cast - do NOT sync. But if you won’t - you sync

Miss a cast of flag by syncing with vendetta*

[rocky pecan]

Y OK it's wat I say xd

[subtle otter]

I know, but thats why im asking, if im sub and I want to go assa, would u go frost or blood?

[spice spire]

OHHHHHHHHH

[rocky pecan]

Mid fight you don't wait 30 sec for flag +vend? Or did you do 0o

[spice spire]

Frost more than likely

[rocky pecan]

Depe'd your gear

[spice spire]

Over blood

But again it’s worth simming out. It’s a bit of work, but due to the gated nature of the shard upgrades it’s worth checking out

[subtle otter]

but then again gear changes, so it would be hard to optimize for current gear only

[spice spire]

You can kinda gauge it out based on past experience I feel - first down on painsmith I’d have vendetta up after every intermission

This time - it was 20s faster so I’d have a better understanding of where it is

[spice spire]

You can mess around with gear set ups and sim it as well /

[rocky pecan]

Y it depend of kill time tho

[strange python]

Dashing scoundrel sims an unbelivable !! 4 !! (FOUR) Dps less for me than Doomblade lol with full frost rank 4 set

[rocky pecan]

Not on paintsmith MM atm but on hc I can't xd after first transition or I don't have for lust kek

[spice spire]

Because if you have say a two minute kill (not a thing currently that I’m aware of.) If you tried to sync the two. You’d only cast one flag, you’d miss the second cast of flag because you tried to line them up

[rocky pecan]

Again depend on your gear and stat for dashing

[subtle otter]

is dashing worth going with?

[red plaza]

Sim

[spice spire]

And flag isn’t insignificant in the damage department - along with bonuses, you want to maximize its use as possible.

[strange python]

just simmed 4 dps less thant doomblade for me so im not making it 😄

[subtle otter]

yeah I heard u need like 43% crit

[rocky pecan]

Smante how many crit you have sir?

[subtle otter]

or atleast 35% but prefereblyt 40+

[strange python]

25% i think

[spice spire]

Depends on what you want to do and what you’re willing to do - Cev is already simming as a gain

[subtle otter]

25% seems very low

[rocky pecan]

Very very low

Even for frost gem I think

[subtle otter]

y

[strange python]

pulling every crit item i have from my bag so its my max for now 😄

[rocky pecan]

42% and r3 is 177 more dps than r4 uh for me

[spice spire]

Rn t5 blood sims about 200 dps higher (very low Crit, unlucky) if I changed a single ring out, it went within 40.

Than frost*

[rocky pecan]

With no dashing

[spice spire]

Necro Doomblade enjoyer as well

[rocky pecan]

Crit is big part of frost set

[spice spire]

Dashing still sims lower for me currently with frost than with Doomblade. That’s how low my crit is 😛

[strange python]

same for me MakeitQuake

but i rely on Heimir 😄

[spice spire]

A gamer of culture I see

[spice spire]

Gemstone gamers

[deft vault]

Necro doom blade is the move

[strange python]

hell yes

[deft vault]

Gonna miss sbs once SL is over

[rocky pecan]

With 42% dashing is 42 dps more than dB for me tho @spice spire

Not that much

[spice spire]

[strange python]

in general they're very close

[spice spire]

That’s a lot of crit

[fiery mauve]

Go blood elf

You get 1% more crit

[rocky pecan]

I'm blood elf

[fiery mauve]

[rocky pecan]

Missing shoulder and hands with crit

[spice spire]

I am

With 27%

[fiery mauve]

I got 40% crit

[rocky pecan]

I got both vers mastery

[spice spire]

29% haste tho pretty

[bleak sky]

gz

[winter moss]

wrong chat sorry

[gloomy rose]

did they change the effect of sbs? I see some small daggers flying around, dont know what else it would be

[narrow minnow]

that's mnemonic equipment

it's cool

[simple stratus]

just wish it was stronger

hits like a limp noodle

[gloomy rose]

ohh

[simple stratus]

a builder?

[narrow minnow]

it's heirmir's final trait, it's like 1% more damage in execute phase on a slight delay

[simple stratus]

1% is gracious

i ran it in a 22 tyran spires and it did less dmg than my shadowcore oil

[narrow minnow]

i thought it semi repeated all your damage...now i see the 'limit 2'

[simple stratus]

on a raid boss it did like 20k dmg

[limber swallow]

Marileth is simming higher for me than heirmir in D-Slice.

[simple stratus]

its a very disappointing trait, probably because gemstones is so strong

[limber swallow]

~150-200dps.. I switched but haven't had a chance to try it out in a key yet

and yea, gemstones is much more fun than kevin

[strange python]

is blood max rank simming higher for me cause i have low crit ?

[bleak sky]

thought you were talking about sbs, didn't see thee mnemonic talk

[sudden canyon]

just did lfr for some domination boots

still nothing

why is this game so shit

[winged basin]

I got 34% crit 14% haste

[spice spire]

Did LFR - the weekly - first 7 bosses of heroic last night. Just for a single piece to complete the set. Nothing - only pain

Unluck

[clever kindle]

No different then getting tier pieces in any previous expansion though

[spice spire]

Link sims

[clever kindle]

This is just advanced azerite, also known as

SWTOR gearing system 2.0

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

That’s very true - in fact it’s arguably easier as you won’t have to class stack to get it easier. Just leather can help leather kinda thing. Not a huge fan, but people make it out to be the worst

[clever kindle]

The set bonuses and item stats were tied to pieces you removed from the gear, and the gear was cosmetic

[spice spire]

Worst part was LFR damage better than my guild

Pretty unlucky

[obtuse robin]

no shot lol

[clever kindle]

this early on remember people do lfr even on their mains to try and get certain items like a dom socket or maybe specific trinkets

[spice spire]

They were

There were several 9k+ enjoyers on LFR remnant yesterday

[clever kindle]

[spice spire]

Boss died at like 2:15

Wild

[clever kindle]

cooldown uptime: 95% lol

[north basin]

so heimir last talent gave me 0.6% overall dps? rofl...

[simple stratus]

gig

a

[spice spire]

Pretty huge

Think about it with Zoldyck’s

[simple stratus]

its not huge

[spice spire]

The stonks?! Execute class inc

[simple stratus]

its trash

[spice spire]

Sarcasm doesn’t travel on the inter webs well

[simple stratus]

[narrow ravine]

I unlocked it and simmed myself and didnt even see a difference

[fiery mauve]

Yeah it’s a poopy soulbind but SBS is pog

If it wasn’t bugged

[narrow ravine]

was a rounding error

[north basin]

rly i thought it would take me to the moon...

[spice spire]

The ability falls within error threshold

[narrow minnow]

they don't give us the crazy cool stuff until final tier of the xpac

[north basin]

another reason to swap from necrolords,,

[spice spire]

One legendary for every slot

You have to be a legendary gamer™️to defeat the jailer

[strange python]

The new best legendary for assassin is Dashing Scoundrel ?

[spice spire]

No loot only pain

[narrow minnow]

the question is...who is going to killsteal the final boss this time?

[spice spire]

“Champion, I will kill the jailer”

[bleak sky]

what's happening on pugs heads

[spice spire]

[strange python]

already simed but i want to hear your opinions, for sin ST what would you recommend, more mastery? more crit? less haste? plus question: frost, unholy or blood shard bonus?

[sharp zodiac]

Frost

More crit

[strange python]

more crit less haste?

[lucid brook]

unholy still the best

[sharp zodiac]

Depends on stat weights and what you sim

[sharp zodiac]

No it’s not

[strange python]

i don't like stat weights tbh

but thank you

gonna sim

[sharp zodiac]

Like I run 35 crit

23 haste

[strange python]

oh that sounds good

[limber lion]

no

don't listen to him

do not sim stat weights

and stop looking at your stats

[lucid brook]

cause blizzard i dont start farming frost now i upgrade all my unholy into 255

[limber lion]

You should sim yourself using top gear

and literally stop looking at your stats

[winged basin]

If I looked at stats I would be nuts

Out here with 34% crit and 14% haste lmao

[strange python]

oh nice to hear that

[limber lion]

Stats are so irrelevant nowadays for us

everything is dynamic

Everything has dr

There are no breakpoints

[sharp zodiac]

Think more what I was going for was I sim way better with more crit

[strange python]

love u bois

[limber lion]

You don't sim better because you have more crit

You sim better because you have better gear.

But yeah

0 vs 900 crit

900 wins

[lucid brook]

i hate blizzard why they let us farm unholy and now is frost BIS

[harsh lantern]

cause they can’t tune for shit

[lucid brook]

ALL MY UH SHARDS ON 255

[clever kindle]

we knew frost was going to be good over a week ago

[strange python]

and what bout shards?

[narrow ravine]

I still have no helm to use unholy even if I wanted to

[bleak sky]

wdym 255

[narrow ravine]

so I upgraded frost because it was my only option

[waxen rover]

is it normal for doomblade to sim higher than obedience? Does obedience become better at some breakpoint/ilvl?

[narrow ravine]

glad it didnt backfire

[clever kindle]

And theres no way you have your unholy upgraded to rank 5

[bleak sky]

that's entirely up to your gear I think

[lucid brook]

2shards 255 and one is on rank for what you talking about^^

rank 4

[sharp zodiac]

[limber lion]

Frost sims better for most, especially with the Dashing Scoundrel legendaryu

But sim it using Top Gear.

[narrow ravine]

use Top Gear but also remember to add your other soulbind conduits to the sim so it can try different combinations with a new legendary

[strange python]

top gear gang, thank you fam

[terse kernel]

does sin use the deathly cheese opener like sub does?

[bleak sky]

no

[limber lion]

It doesn't work at all for us.

It's been fixed for us, not sure why it's fixed for sub.

[terse kernel]

i see thank you

[shut flame]

Guys, for some reason marileth sims better for dslice than heirmir, is that really the case or im missing smth?

[spice spire]

Kevin

[shut flame]

y, and even if final herimir tier unlocked as well

[spice spire]

I’m actually not sure as I’ve not simmed it yet - but if this were the case it would be because mnemonic device is very bad

[fiery mauve]

Kevin

[limber swallow]

final heirmir tier is turning out to be kinda meh

[fiery mauve]

It was always meh

Like 2% on sims

Apparently less in practice

But sbs

[olive peak]

so it says this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/piHQD4JtyGRpbjF2fadC3s, should i do it?

[spice spire]

If you want to

Sims are correct

[zinc frost]

@limber lion thoughts on dashing scoundrel for tyrannical keys with high crit?

[buoyant kraken]

It can work if your group really needs the boss dmg @zinc frost

[limber lion]

No

Always play Zoldyck.

[dull cloak]

I have unholy shards all r3, 2 r3 frost shards and 1 is r5. Commit all frost shards or no

[wintry kayak]

how much dps necro rogue lose with these bugs?

[limber lion]

A lot.

[obtuse robin]

does zold effect anima powers in m+

[limber lion]

There is no set number because the bugs are so random.

But it's quite a bit.

Depends on the encounter, of course.

[wintry kayak]

so sad

i love necro

haha

[arctic hare]

Whoo hoo!

I finally replaced my Fleshfused circle ring

With a 226 that I just upgraded to 236

finally

[buoyant kraken]

Has anyone upgraded frost shards? How do they do on fights where it isnt purely ST?

[spice spire]

Pins have cev’s sims

[pseudo hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cUETJjrWiVGQSQTqnmRV4W
Simming tells me that Blood > Frost

[spice spire]

Low crit?

Mine says the same thing

About same ilvl, but my crit is very low

[pseudo hamlet]

That could be the case, only ~27%

[spice spire]

Yeah so what I did here was go to gear compare, added a ring with high crit - same ilvl. Difference in blood and frost went from 140 - 11 dps

[real bay]

r3 frost blast p hard like 10-11% of dmg

very consistent

[fallen arch]

It’s especially annoying when u accidentally pump an extra spike into a target

Makes u lose 2 charges, the one that you shot and the one that u dont get back

[spice spire]

The 9 is pain

Lowkey kinda remnant too

[fallen arch]

Ye those 2 are the worst for it

But it’s annoying on tyrannical keys especially

On any key for that matter

[winter moss]

bruv

frost set broken

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f68pkwPaDEwCUTQmEoV8tj

400dps overnight

[pseudo hamlet]

+998 here(final frost shard + Sylvanas ring), beat that 😄
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6Pc3d61ohmQ9NKTCe2wVEf

[real bay]

wtb daggers, chest, phial

[spice spire]

T5?

[real bay]

thats close to +1000

[winter moss]

t4

[spice spire]

Holy fuck

I mean you’re fairly geared but damn

[winter moss]

wish i rolled venthyr

so i can dashing instead of shitblades

[halcyon zealot]

only 70 more embers til full r4 frost i ~LOVE~ this system 😄

[wanton creek]

Is ds preferable over vigor only at certain gear levels?

[winter moss]

ds is preferable for pure st

[soft shale]

even as sub frost set>unholy

[shadow tusk]

246 edge or 252 in offhand for soulrender mythic, thoughts?

[narrow ravine]

sim yo self

edge has not been simming well for me

but others seem to like it

[shadow tusk]

eh cant really sim soulrender that accuretely tho, i've tried to play aroudn a bit with it

[real pewter]

Are we still using frost now?

[halcyon zealot]

edge isn’t that crazy for sin, a 233 edge loses to my 239 standard dagger, 246 edge only beats my 239 dagger by like 40 or 50 dps in the offhand

[soft shale]

run edge you get more finishers

[shadow tusk]

Thats a good point

[halcyon zealot]

ya lemme go ask sylv for one real quick hold on

[soft shale]

yea look at mine https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nuvvYbPfRVo5tz2V4pffJT

see it

invisible edge

[limber lion]

Cute sim.

[soft shale]

weak as f

[narrow ravine]

linking sub in the sin channel, bad form sir... good day!

[soft shale]

where are my daggers

[narrow ravine]

I said GOOD DAY!

[fallen arch]

Get outta here

Not even a Sylvanas dagger

And simming 10k+

[narrow ravine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pTjiY6tPi5eePfSDgJFCXe like this seems like the edge of night isn't worth killing myself over

id get more dps from a trinket

[halcyon zealot]

what rank is ur blood set @soft shale

[soft shale]

4

[scenic osprey]

SOD skip is killing Taragru then u can go to KT ?

[fallen arch]

Nah I just got Edge of Night normal over a 236 m+ dagger and it bumped me from like 9.0 to 9.1

[scenic osprey]

blight is about 2.5%?

[fallen arch]

Not for me it wasnt

[real pewter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ksJReck48dnX2JxrAAfdR4 Can someone tell me wtf i'm doing wrong. I'm trying to sim dom sockets but the results are weird.

[spice spire]

Loser to 2% for me with 1

[fallen arch]

Or it sims wrong

[spice spire]

Closer* holy

[narrow ravine]

our sims were exactly the same dps number lol

I think you selected only multiple shards of Tel but not a whole set, since you picked "Replace existing" it thinks thats all you have to work with

select the whole set of the same tier of shard, and the two non-set dps ones

and resim

[limber lion]

Press the "replace existing gems/enchants" button

and choose all of the gems that you want to sim

[real pewter]

gotcha thank you

[small island]

anyone mind taking a look at my log from mythic remnant? feel like i should be doing more damage than i did

[sharp zodiac]

Link

[small island]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4VY6BWHhFjC8xT1Q#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=1

Last vendetta is kinda scuffed

should have popped it earlier

[sharp zodiac]

You need to dot the orbs more

[mortal pike]

What's stat prio like for M+? does it value amstery more? I cant find a good balance

[small island]

the orbs die in like 2 sec

[shadow tusk]

crit/mas

[narrow ravine]

rupture refunds a ton of energy when the orbs die early

[shadow tusk]

U can dot orbs b4 suffering for the energy regen

[sharp zodiac]

^

[narrow ravine]

can also just 3 point rupt on them

[quasi venture]

Ye. Looking from that log, apply rupture a ton more on the orbs and you will bounce.

[small island]

Yeah ill do it before suffering next time, didnt even think about that

but ye the adds die in 2 sec after suffering basically

but the extra reg would be nice

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah I don’t really worry about them after suffering

I just try to put something on all of them

[small island]

So do u apply a 3-4 rup and then mut boss until u get 3-4 and rup another one before suffering?

[shadow tusk]

Depends a lot on the situation tbh boss can be wonky with his timers

but thats the just of it

if hes casting suffering i wouldnt bother running to the 2nd orb to rup it

[small island]

yeah ill start with just pre applying rupture and see how that goes first before i start rupturing 2 of them i guess

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah remnant is so fucked with timers

[small island]

We also didnt have a battleshout and we are 6 healing it

[sharp zodiac]

I’m also Necro so I’m getting more dam than you from SBS

[small island]

ye im kinda missing sbs, really liked that ability

My rank 3 frost is doing some decent damage atleast

[sharp zodiac]

I’m on mobile so I can’t watch reply very well

Are you snapping back to boss after every dispell with shadowstep

[small island]

Yes im saving every step for dispel

[quasi venture]

Good

[small island]

so i would have to use spring to get to second orb for rupture i guess

maybe just rupture the 2nd orb if sprint is up or something like that

[sharp zodiac]

Depends on how they spawn

But yeah

[small island]

true

[quasi venture]

Dont wanna waste to much active damage either. Or anything that Will affect how active you are/gonna be after each mechanic

[sharp zodiac]

I know at the start of the fight for example I get through opener then max 4-5Cp first orb re garrotte boss. Sprint to other orb 3-4cp it then back to boss to reapply rupture before it falls off

[silent breach]

anyone tried the Frost build, and how does it feel

[tranquil wagon]

Yo does anyone here use Enkey's weakaura package?

[real pewter]

Do we use fusion Amp on CD or lined up with cds?

[shadow tusk]

on cd

[real bay]

it doesn't benefit from Vend

[quasi venture]

Its a full send trinket

[small island]

@sharp zodiac alright, ima check some logs and see how other ppl are doing. Ty for help 🙂

[pseudo hamlet]

Getting that last Frost Shard

[limber lion]

love to see it

[hot chasm]

5/4/4 unholy, I'm commited

[quasi venture]

3 weeks or something until i evolve Into a dashing frost gamer

[hot chasm]

with SBS bugs I assume Sudden Fractures lost some value

[narrow ravine]

im confident they will get around to fixing SBS by 2022

[quasi venture]

The new co presidents Will fix it.

[hot chasm]

If only he played rogue

[quasi venture]

Or maybe the new combat design team they are hiring

[blissful forge]

what stats u put on lego as assa? crit/vers or crit/haste?

[shadow tusk]

depends on what lego

but for raid ones crit/haste

[blissful forge]

DS

[open reef]

dashing should have crit / crit

[quasi venture]

Crit haste

[shadow tusk]

crit/crit

[quasi venture]

[blissful forge]

ok ty

[rigid tartan]

Are there people with both unholy and frost set on rank 4? I think I’ve seen people with frost r4 that had unholy r4 before but I’m at 71 shards with frost r3, unholy r4

[fallen arch]

Is that even possible at this point?

[late verge]

Do you play dashing leggy only on raid? See for M+ some different picks.

[rigid tartan]

I’ve seen strong logs with frost set and doom on raid encounters

[undone eagle]

guys what lego is best for sin rogues in pvp?

[fallen arch]

#pvp

[alpine latch]

Man, I wish it wasn't like 1m per run to get a dagger stack group for heroic Sylvanas

[fallen arch]

Dude

[serene glen]

;

[fallen arch]

U told us you have got like

A gazilion gold

[alpine latch]

I can afford it

But 1m gold is a 6-month sub

I don't even own the 2m spider or longboi. I can't justify the cost..

[fallen arch]

Just play your way to it then?

[alpine latch]

I'll probably buy it.. lol

[fallen arch]

Longboi isnt for sale anymore?

[alpine latch]

No, was removed in BFA

[fallen arch]

If I had money like that I’d have it

[alpine latch]

5m gold is 2 years of game time, the $80 version of the xpac, and 2 years of Blizzcon. That's worth far more to me than a mount.

[fallen arch]

But thats part of the reason why I dont have money like that

[alpine latch]

lol

I have a second acount

If I need something, I buy it and mail it to myself

Then use my portable mailbox

It's basically the same thing

[fallen arch]

But what’s the point in having that much

If you’re not spending

[alpine latch]

I spend it, but on other people.

[fallen arch]

Ok fair enough

[alpine latch]

A buddy of mine came back for 9.1, so I tossed him 500k to buy his legendaries

One of my best friends doesn't play WoW anymore because he has 2 kids and didn't want to spend $15 a month subbing when he only played for 4-5 hours a week at the most

[fallen arch]

Thats nice of you

[alpine latch]

So I've taken over his sub since then and just sent him gold

[zinc frost]

Do you need any more mates? Lmao

[alpine latch]

I don't spend money on a lot of people, but the ones I do get whatever they want.

[fallen arch]

We could all use a friend like that 😄

[alpine latch]

I dropped 5m into my Alliance guild bank before I left the guild to raid on Horde for 9.1. Pretty sure I've given the Hordies 3-4m at this point too

Figure it makes it easier to deal with my shitty attitude when I'm funding the guild... lol

[zinc frost]

Awesome I’ll submit my friend application ASAP than 🤪

[sweet vessel]

How's the switch to horde so far ? Just can't stand alliance choice of pug groups anymore

[fallen arch]

Find a guild?

[alpine latch]

It was great until my 2 friends that joined me went back to Alliance. Now I'm playing alone with a guild I committed to but I'm not friends with anyone there

Horde side is far better, but I'm lonely as fuck

So I'm not logging in much outside of raid

And I'm playing FFXIV

[sweet vessel]

Yeah I'm like switching with friend or not but loneliness has to be something else

[alpine latch]

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Krymoore
For context: S1 I got KSM within a month or so

I think I've ran like 10-12 dungeons all of S2

Yeah, 12 ...

I need to actually make some friends or I'll probably wind up quitting altogether

[sweet vessel]

You feel like you're just having a bad experience socialy speaking or all hordies are lonely zergs ?

[alpine latch]

Oh no, this is a personal experience.

I specifically committed because two friends were coming with me

But they bailed

Literally the first week of 9.1

[sweet vessel]

jeez

[alpine latch]

They missed a single raid on Alliance side and went back

[toxic root]

Then go back

[alpine latch]

But I committed to not raiding with Alliance (which they did as well). but they were allowed to come back, I was told since I said I wasn't raiding I couldn't come back til 9.2

So basically I gave them 5m gold and got told tough shit

Good times

[hollow river]

A lot of horde players i know of just stick to their little cliques n stuff

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I've never really fit into the whole "clique" scene

[sweet vessel]

I'm like if I stay alliance I won't even enjoy the game and just log off cause it's just so hard to find a guild that at my skill cap

[toxic root]

All of players sticks in their clique

[hollow river]

Yeah don’t give people stuff anymore man that’s fucked up

[alpine latch]

Area 52, which is where I came to, has a shitload of guilds that raid. It's super easy to find a group and you can easily pug some Mythic bosses as well.

[hollow river]

I mean your actual friends sure but not a guild

I’m about to transfer to area 52

My whole guild is in the process atm

[alpine latch]

I've been with the Alliance guild since 2004. It's changed a bit since my buddy is no longer GM and is running the New World division though

Nice man - hit me up when you do

We can trade daggers/trinkets, lol

[hollow river]

For sure dood

[sweet vessel]

I'm on the EU side of things, the hardest choice would be to switch from a french server to a english server for pugging mythics

[hollow river]

PF here we come

[bleak sky]

non-sin question: we can't mass dispel the frost shit on the nine, right?

[hollow river]

Ya

[sweet vessel]

mhhh the shard ?

[bleak sky]

ya, the shard

[hollow river]

Fragments guys

(:

[bleak sky]

F, rip the insta dispel dream

[hollow river]

If u don’t md it it’ll just bounce to other players won’t it?

[bleak sky]

Yeah it bounces

[hollow river]

So you could be greedy

[bleak sky]

but does md work?

[hollow river]

Y

[bleak sky]

hmmmmmmm

[alpine latch]

Bah, I need to farm PF. Getting into keys is impossible at this point

[odd heath]

you can mass dispel on the nine, but you need a very good positioning strat for it

[bleak sky]

PF is giga contested key

[odd heath]

single dispels are more reliable

[alpine latch]

Yeah, and my IO is stupid low

I need to run a key to even get a key this week

I didn't run anything last week

[bleak sky]

are you md-ing on rise above?

[odd heath]

no

single dispels

[bleak sky]

f, dream still dead

[bleak sky]

talk to the npc

"hey I misplaced my key" and he'll give you another one

[alpine latch]

Does that work?

[bleak sky]

yep

[alpine latch]

I think I'll only have a 12

but it's a start

I'll just have to push it

[bleak sky]

Yeah, gotta push your own key to build some io

[alpine latch]

yarg

[bleak sky]

at like 2.1k+ you're probably fine to get in keys by yourself

[alpine latch]

Going to blow

But I got this

[mortal pike]

What soul bind yall be running in keys this week? been kinda hankering to try out some

KEVINS OOZER

[keen gyro]

is there a consensus whether to use shadowcore oil or sharpening stone ? or one on each?

[woeful meteor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[keen gyro]

thanks!

[ashen urchin]

Lot of talk about frost but is there much thought on blood set (raid talking about possibilities of lots of blood sets = less healers needed since we're a late CE guild)

[thorny pond]

I’ve seen many well respected rogues say they’re going blood

[timid talon]

Who? lol

[hollow river]

Same

For the healing

[real bay]

healing parses

[heady rain]

Did they fix the bonespike bugs?

[timid talon]

no

[heady rain]

I just threw 2 into a target that died and got a charge back

[solid venture]

Only the refund bug is fixed supposedly

Cp gain bug is still there

[heady rain]

ahhh kk

[ashen urchin]

cp almost never felt like it was reliable even before the new bugs. seemed surprising it was so problematic

[toxic badge]

guys, does Edge of Night from Sylv somehow stack ?

Im mean if its worth to have two daggers

[woeful meteor]

more dmg but not a higher chance

its still the best dagger how heroic compares to 252 in mainhand idk have to sim that yourself

[vast forum]

252 mh should beat hc sylv

[kind talon]

Yeah it does double damage

[agile geode]

why is frost set simming higer in cleave?

wasnt it strictly st?

there's a motivation?

[kind talon]

Cause you have multiple bleeds and poisons

[agile geode]

or buggy sims?

oh

kk

[kind talon]

More crits

[agile geode]

so

frost bis

[kind talon]

More damage

Yes

[agile geode]

im gonna craft dashing so

[kind talon]

It’s bis defensively too

Big funnel

OP

[agile geode]

nice

[versed mica]

is shadowgrasp totem simbait? Idk if the sims are using the cd reduction part of it or not

[limber lion]

If you sim for it in single target, it obviously doesn't.

Because it requires that the target dies.

But no, Shadowgrasp Totem is a great trinket to use.

Would recommend.

[versed mica]

Okay, thanks for the help :)

[timid talon]

Its weird that so many people think that totem is sim bait but never bat an eye at IQD lol

[versed mica]

I refuse to use IQD

it's a cringe trinket

[novel arrow]

@limber lion has SBS been fixed in game or in sims? When you said it's been fixed

[steel bane]

I'm testing SBS right now and it appears to be fix

the two things I tested: refund when SBS the same monster twice; and the bleed vanishing on mobs with no aggro table

they appear to be working as intended now

[dawn condor]

That sounds perfect. Is there any chance to test if deathspike is now working correctly too?

[steel bane]

I don't have access to the legendary. Didn't want to craft it with bug around

[dusk void]

Covenant soulbinds don’t transfer correct? You have to farm the new one right?

[steel bane]

the specific one? yes

[dusk void]

Ooof

[misty bough]

next upgrade would be mythic salvaged

[limber lion]

In game, the bugs were never implemented in the sims.

[steel bane]

every single 246 trinket I have outside of Vial is being outsimed by Sack of Terrors, including Shadow Totem

[paper bridge]

So is it safe now to change back to necro? 😂 I swapped to vent for raid

[misty bough]

Idk, I dont trust the 233 sack

[steel bane]

I mean, I'm following the simulation

it might be oversiming, idk

[misty bough]

ye ofc

[dusk void]

SBS just seems way more satisfying than flag

[paper bridge]

ye but with the bugs it was quite underwhelming in raid

[misty bough]

close 😄

oh simmed bit wrong

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vPpbiWjFNgv93bpnRjVoWb

[novel arrow]

@limber lion so the biggest damage increase in your character is actually on aoe cleave fights with frost 3 set? Dam I thought it was only going to be good on single target. Could this work out differently in practice? How correct are the sims on this?

[shadow pivot]

frost set is absolutly bonkers on Dormazain

[agile geode]

define bonkers :V

[agile geode]

ah

nice

[shadow pivot]

2nd source of damage w/ set tier 3 & focussing boss

[obtuse robin]

yea it pools crit dmg from all sources and applies the hit st w knew this day one its really strong

[shadow pivot]

literally ends up top damage on boss

[obtuse robin]

u use ct?

[shadow pivot]

Jup

[misty bough]

theff what tier is ur frost shards?

[shadow pivot]

3

[obtuse robin]

mythic?

[shadow pivot]

ye