and re vendetta - only if its like few seconds
#assassination
shut flame
rocky rain
Yeah ok there was a shiv cast, but no buff so I guess it's a parry or something. RIP
tulip halo
Raidbosses still parry etc?
lone wren
oh yeah
delicate smelt
yes..
tulip halo
How to attack a boss like the eye?
delicate smelt
alot
lone wren
bosses that yo ucan't get behind usually are set to not parry frontal attacks
tulip halo
Ok
lone wren
so it doesn't apply to the eye
tulip halo
Thx :), wasnt aware of that, perhaps That also explains sometimes a dps drop
I thought they had completely removed evasion/parry
From mobs/bosses
fervent rune
I wish
tulip halo
Since hit doesnt exist anymore as a stat
fallen arch
bosses that yo ucan't get behind usually are set to not parry frontal attacks
Also, Eye is an eye
lone wren
funny thing is, when i checked my logs in bfa dungeon bosses and mobs dont parry frontals (this may have changed since)
fallen arch
No arms, cant parry 😂
rocky rain
dungeon mobs dont parry
lone wren
i used to worry about that in dungeons too and then realized it doesn't apply to dungeon bosses in m+
rocky rain
only raid bosses
tulip halo
Ok
fallen arch
You know what’s horrible?
rocky rain
but its like 20% in raid if youre in front
fallen arch
A boss deflecting ur opener sbs
tulip halo
Ah not do bad anymore as it used to be
fallen arch
That shit hurts your soul
lone wren
worst thing is when your tanks stand on opposite sides of each other or are completely oblivious to frontal parry mechanics and just tank bosses whichever direction feel like at that given moment
tulip halo
Front evasionnstill 50% and side 25%?
lone wren
it makes you wanna cry as melee dps
tulip halo
XD
cunning needle
No arms, cant parry 😂
You say that but druids parry with their face
fervent rune
I thought parry was only from the front. Idk about the sides
dull cloak
when shiv gets parried 😫
ruby oyster
worst thing is when your tanks stand on opposite sides of each other or are comp...
jesus, this is so annoying, especially on nine
ruby oyster
or they tank it just outside of poison bomb aoe ;_;
lone wren
maybe im just too old now, but most basic element of tanking in any mmo was turn the boss and try to make sure it doesn't move during tank swaps unless mechanic dictated it
like to me ...turning the boss for the raid dps was like the first thing i'd do as a tank and it's been ingrained in me since everquest 2 days lol
or they just move for some reason
violet hemlock
You say that but druids parry with their face
druids cant parry....
pale plank
who is ready for their dagger from the vault!
spring axle
5 yards shouldn't be game breaking also.
upbeat tinsel
who is ready for their dagger from the vault!
in an hour 
lone wren
or like when they have to move the boss, instead of moving nicely as a slow paced, they just leap and have the boss sprint to them, they doont realize how much raidwide dps they cost the raid doing that,
it's not game breaking, it's just annoying
spring axle
10-15 I can get but 5 as a sin rogue that is dot heavy spec is minimal loss. I do agree with you however overall though.
lone wren
because you go to hit your finisher and suddenly bosses is out of range
violet hemlock
If it bothers u have u tried talking to ur tanks?
spring axle
Ya I understand it is annoying. I guess since I've mostly been a tank in wow but play rogue as a main for a few years now I see it from both perspectives.
violet hemlock
if they did that shit Id bring it up
spring axle
yeap good point
violet hemlock
then find better ppl to play with
violet hemlock
I can critisize everyone in my raid without anyone acting like a baby
lone wren
i have found it over the years it's easier not to say anything in most walks of life, rl job, mmos etc
spring axle
A solid team should be like that
lone wren
just do your thing and hope things work out
violet hemlock
Then why say anything here
spring axle
Delivery matters.
delicate smelt
so is sin competitive against outlaw in M+?
spring axle
It seems to be with longer living packs
In my experiences only can I attest to that.
delicate smelt
yea, understand that
spring axle
I play EP Vigor or MfD and crimson tempest as my base talents
bleak sky
just talking about in sin community
yeah but we can't solve your problem
bleak sky
I play EP Vigor or MfD and crimson tempest as my base talents
ep vig crimson talent
spring axle
MfD on some dungeons pulls ahead for me
delicate smelt
i will try it
bleak sky
but good god mfd feels like shit 
spring axle
depending on the level and how many packs they are pulling together
spring axle
but good god mfd feels like shit <:KEKW:747943912626323478>
oh it can for sure be crappy
Vigor is my default
spring axle
That's two hours of extension now.
bleak sky
they're fixing necro bugs for sure 
lone wren
so is sin competitive against outlaw in M+?
dps wise yes and no, it depends on a lot of factors however dps alone is not why outlaw is better for M+. Outlaw gets extra range which is super handy in M+, gouge on high keys can save wipes. No matter how important single target burst is, keys are still about strong consistent AOE burst. Also target swapping is an issue unless you have mouse over macros and are exceptionally good at getting your interrupts on your assigned target when you are combining 3-4 packs etc while some of these are not as relevant in SL as they used to be in BFA these are some of the reasons outlaw is the better option overall for M+. However can get the job done too.
spring axle
An blizz wonders why they have a dwindling community.
lone wren
in BFA there were a lot of interrupts and if you missed yours in a 23 key it was a wipe
so swapping targets or using mouse over macros in a dungeon setting just wasn't ideal ..which is sin's playstyle in m+
delicate smelt
dps wise yes and no, it depends on a lot of factors however dps alone is not why...
I thought Outlaw is king of aoe in M+ but i feel like shit compared to BfA. What they changed?
bleak sky
it isn't tho? decent ui and your problems are solved
lone wren
and you have 6 different one shot ground effects happening at the same time in a 22+ key lol
subtle tundra
it kinda was
in sots big pulls it was hard unless you had dozens of tries to practice
lone wren
the risk of you missing it in a huge key with huge pulls where yo uare also expected to burst dps to burn it because tank can only survive for so long, i don't care how godly you think you are or how good your UI is, the risk factor is too great
there is a reason why right now in 20+ timed keys you barely see sins, it's all outlaw and a smal l% of sub rogues. and SL doesn't even have as many deadly interrupts as BFA dungeons had
subtle tundra
there is a reason why right now in 20+ timed keys you barely see sins, it's all ...
i'd be doing 20s if i had friends to play with 😦 3 tiers of pugging and now cba
lone wren
yeah for 20+ you need a pre-made team you get used to playing with each other
and have to plan your pulls etc before hand
bleak sky
plenty of people pugging 20s
rustic cosmos
Guyz, as a Venthyr I'm using Doomblade lego. Do i use flageltion on CD or im waiting on vendetta?
fading wigeon
lone wren
if unsure about fight timings or phasing based on your raid dps, use on cool down until near the end of the fight and you know you wont get another flag then line it up with your last vendetta
if you know the fights, you can go through fight timeline and plan them according to your raid dps and phase timings
delicate smelt
do you expect big changes with logs in regards of 262 lego?
i am sitting on cinders for craft but that Dashing looks so gimmick. If they make another tunning towards the sets ppl will have death 262 lego
grim sable
sbs bug get fixed yet or nah?
bleak sky
sbs bug get fixed yet or nah?
idk, realms are still down no?
craggy oak
not the best place for this but out on the edge quest, bugged or jsut me?
vast forum
I thought Outlaw is king of aoe in M+ but i feel like shit compared to BfA. What...
Bf targetcapped to 5 seems like enough of a nerf to me
spice spire
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/goldrinn/exaaronez
Your shiv usage is low on both the nine and Eye fights I looked at. You also missed one use of CDs at the very end of both fights which isn’t huge. Outside of that rupture uptime is a little low. Really gotta use shiv on CD tho
Especially if you have WPS conduit
gusty mirage
@spice spire 
wintry cloud
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/goldrinn/exaaronez
double on use is also not ideal. you only used IQD once on the EOTJ log I looked at. and same as quake said, full send shiv on cd
kind talon
@gusty mirage :3
spice spire
@gusty mirage 
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> :3
kind talon
<a:CatKiss:848749480656109591>
thorny pond
<a:CatKiss:848749480656109591>
Good luck on vault buddy
mental trout
Does any one know a resource that shows you the health of certain mobs etc in wow? For instance I’m trying to find how much health sylvanas has on heroic
peak badger
Dagger incoming, I can feel it
mild dagger
good luck mane
narrow ravine
getting ready to get stabbed in the back by RNGesus?
gusty mirage
Good luck on vault buddy
Thank you sir, you as well! I only have m+ options today unfortunately
thorny pond
Thank you sir, you as well! I only have m+ options today unfortunately
Long raid week?
gusty mirage
Guild ded 
thorny pond
Come Alliance
bleak sky
cringe vault
limber swallow
Guild ded <:sadge:818207322727907399>
I left my dead guild last week... Now I just wander aimlessly
bleak sky
252 iqd F
gusty mirage
Come Alliance
I might 
snow cobalt
gusty mirage
I left my dead guild last week... Now I just wander aimlessly
yeah I feel that
snow cobalt
😂
thorny pond
lucky fucca
mental trout
@amber mountain thank you! I am in mobile so not sure if I am looking at the same thing. Can you tell me much health the eye has so I can see if im on the right thing please?
pale plank
Gratz
alpine latch
Well.. I got Salvaged Fusion Amp in my chest.That's the only thing even remotely good 😕
lone wren
isn't that one of the best trinkets for sin? at least according to bloodmallet sims?
alpine latch
JK, I got a 226 dom socket helm. Going that I guess.
fallen arch
Guild ded <:sadge:818207322727907399>
Rip
uneven hamlet
yep
restive falcon
i got my frost set complete with kt shoulders
lone wren
grats all
restive falcon
now i can do all 3 sets
alpine latch
Oh, I know it is
gentle flower
im just waiting for sims to go up ❤️
strange python
Don't take fusion amp if it's 226
alpine latch
It's a 239
lone wren
take the fusion
lone wren
the 226 will only be good for a gem and you can try a lfr one unti lyou get the herioc dom socket
strange python
Decanters bad right?
uneven hamlet
I got this today from DoS, it’s pretty BiS from my understanding?
yep, very good, my plan was to put mine 246 today but got from the chest
placid pagoda
Decanters bad right?
Isn’t bad
placid pagoda
yep, very good, my plan was to put mine 246 today but got from the chest
For raid or m+ scenario?
strange python
Isn’t bad
252 decanter vs 246 phial and 246 shadowgrasp?
Gotta be a downgrade almost always no?
placid pagoda
252 decanter vs 246 phial and 246 shadowgrasp?
Sim it
strange python
Dungeon decanter not raid
wintry mica
anyone else starting to hate the vault for another season already?
alpine latch
How do I sim Nadja with the final row before I have it unlocked?
strange python
Just click it
strange python
Weird
alpine latch
Derp
I didn't unlock all of them
Unlock alls you to select whatever you want, okay that makes sense.
strange python
God damn raidbots is slow ATM
amber mountain
2 hour delay on everyone opening their vault just packed all those people together 🙂
alpine latch
Very nice, picking up 100 DPS tonight when I unlock Nadja
Not bad for a free gain
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/soFhzY8wVhcyu8uCAybvpY (After I unlock Nadja and before frost buffs get added)
north basin
god.... everyone posting pure juice loot. i bet there is dual 259 edge of night rogues lurking here,....
sleek trail
how good is a 233 edge of night compare to 239 daggers in ST?
alpine latch
Someone last week got Heroic Edge of night to drop and then got another in the vault
So they got two within like 3 days
limber swallow
I know we're all checking vaults, can someone see if they fixed bone spike yet? 
alpine latch
They are what I refer to as, assholes and that's purely out of jealousy
wintry mica
at least i got totem out of the vault, but I already had one upgraded with valor
pale plank
i am using phail, for my 2nd trink, should i go with decanter or ooze?
wintry mica
still rocking 220 weapons tho sadge
loud silo
nothing on SBS, fuck i love this game
limber swallow
i am using phail, for my 2nd trink, should i go with decanter or ooze?
I personally would take the decanter because you can't farm it.
pale plank
still rocking 220 weapons tho sadge
i am rocking a 187 dagger
wintry mica
?
alpine latch
ewww
wintry mica
go do korthia for 10 minutes
alpine latch
Why are you rocking a 187 dagger?
pale plank
bcz i have been farming for the mist dagger with no luck at all
wintry mica
theres basically no excuse to have less than 220 weapons with korthia
pale plank
one of my dagger is already from korthia
open rapids
So I have 2 233 Syl daggers on and my vault had a 252 dagger that’s simming less than those two. Does that seem right? I thought the 252 main hand would beat the 2nd Syl dagger
alpine latch
I mean, that sounds right..The proc is really strong.
wintry mica
you would expect 252 mainhand with sylv offhand but id go with the sims if they say otherwise
also fuck you for having 2 daggers already
alpine latch
lol
limber lion
So I have 2 233 Syl daggers on and my vault had a 252 dagger that’s simming less...
Link the sim
alpine latch
Right?
limber lion
Is that as sub?
alpine latch
Oh shit, Cev is here
He'll tell you if something is wrong with the sim
He's smarter than most of us
wintry mica
yea sub will def make the daggers stronger than for sin
limber lion
252 as sin is definitely the play.
wintry mica
shadow damage too op for sub
silent fossil
@limber lion any idea if the sack changes are reflected in sims or not, been afk since i was on my 7 12s this last week
restive falcon
when are the frost sims coming out
alpine latch
I hate you and I hope you stub your toe
open rapids
but I cant get myslf to give up my rogue
wintry mica
is everyone already panicking getting ready to swap outlaw?
strange python
There's no fucking way that a 252 decanter of anima charged winds is better than 246 phial and shadowgrasp wtf
This sim has to be wrong
wintry mica
did you do patchwerk?
strange python
Yes
alpine latch
Link it
strange python
I'm on mobile
alpine latch
So?
strange python
It's saying is a +5 DPS upgrade
alpine latch
Click the top, select the URL, then hit cut
wintry mica
then who cares
strange python
So I ran sim on computer and disc on my phone
wintry mica
5 dps is like margin of error shit with a sim
strange python
I just thought decanter of anima charged winds was trash
wintry mica
our hunters are getting legendary bows faster than i can even get the dagger from remnant let alone sylv
alpine latch
thats too far
You're right, I'm sorry. I got emotional ..
wintry mica
nah decanter aint bad as just a passive damage proc trinket
alpine latch
It also probably helps if you have high crit
strange python
42%
alpine latch
My crit is only in 32%, so IQD is actually simming really high for me
wintry mica
i assume thats buffed crit?
alpine latch
yeah
strange python
No
wintry mica
cause i have 900 crit rating and im only at 36%
alpine latch
My bad, I thought you meant you assumed IQD was giving me crit
urban gale
can someone help me understand this top gear? how can a 26 ilvl upgrade to off hand lose to this chest upgrade https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4bG32WCvSP7BBJQrwudN7c
wintry mica
it doesnt? the top sim has the chest piece
dusk void
I’d assume Nadjia will be better once Frost fix is added
real pewter
Frost set still simming quite a solid chunk under unholy .
hollow talon
yeah its not huge but stilll a bit higher for me
wintry mica
yea 20% crit after euphoria seems pretty good with frost set
alpine latch
Frost set still simming quite a solid chunk under unholy .
The frost changes are in raidbots yet
slow marsh
It's because you guys are going ep vig
peak frigate
should assa rogue still focus on gathering unholy set?
real pewter
aren't?
alpine latch
Correct, aren't. My bad
wintry mica
you cant focus on gathering any set
alpine latch
Hopefully in a day or two
wintry mica
but most likely frost will be bis for ST and unholy for cleave fights
alpine latch
If it's like anything else in life, just complain about it and it'll magically be fixed
slow marsh
Triple potency with maim is better than nadjia if you are running ep/vig doomblade
real pewter
big true
alpine latch
Okay, so I need normal Eye and KT for 1% upgrades ... Stupid Dom sockets.
hollow talon
ooooooh okay i figured it out, it seems DS/BS sims higher with nadjia final row
and obedience
wintry mica
thats what iceblades said yea
slow marsh
ooooooh okay i figured it out, it seems DS/BS sims higher with nadjia final row
It's almost like what I just said was right o.O
bleak sky
ooooooh okay i figured it out, it seems DS/BS sims higher with nadjia final row
sure, but are you playing ds/bs?
wintry mica
maim outsims steel on double potency nadjia too for doomblade
hollow talon
sorry just saw the messages was running some sims @slow marsh
slow marsh
Lol all good
hollow talon
sure, but are you playing ds/bs?
almost never it feels so clunky
but i might have to try it
cause i have a 262 obedience for sub i made
wintry mica
I dont like having to have another keybind for ambush
and i end up having to do mechanics enough that vigor helps you lose less with downtime
strange python
Sin has like 5 keybinds lmao
placid pagoda
Is phial absolute BiS for rogues?
placid pagoda
Warcraft logs has basically every rogue running it
wintry mica
but phial is usually number 2
placid pagoda
I see
strange python
Shadowgrasp is verrryyyy close too
placid pagoda
Shadowgrasp is verrryyyy close too
Got SG today
wintry mica
i got another one out of my vault after upgrading one with valor
visual prairie
it's a lot easier to get a phial higher than 239 than it is a fusion amplifier
hollow talon
btw does it matter if celestial/sinful are on MH/OH?
slow marsh
Not really
spice spire
No
half tartan
On Nadjia Soulbind, on the bottom of the tree, do you guys prefer the 50% shield on pot/HS with the finese trait, or the movement with the endurance trait, Would likely be the condensed anima sphere(4% heal every 10s) to compement recuperator
hollow talon
kk
lone wren
i think i win the WORST vault chest of any rogue this week award. https://i.gyazo.com/098d3344c73123bf53487bfe94c54f03.jpg
FYI i already have those gloves lol
placid pagoda
i think i win the WORST vault chest of any rogue this week award. https://i.gyaz...
Calm
hollow talon
i think i win the WORST vault chest of any rogue this week award. https://i.gyaz...
that is horrible lol
mental swallow
oof thats bad
placid pagoda
damn*
slow marsh
On Nadjia Soulbind, on the bottom of the tree, do you guys prefer the 50% shield...
The shield on pot / health stone cuz you should use them
visual prairie
yo, i heard you liked belts
lone wren
i wasn't even joking when i said it ..it's literally as bad as a vault can get
wintry mica
yea i prefer the shield since its on demand survivability when you need it
solar willow
guys for a ST nadija is better than theotar?
still elm
sim
wintry mica
slow marsh
pale plank
god damn it, i dont know which one to pick, decanter cant be farm, but ooze gives more dps upgrade
placid pagoda
Ooze
fleet anchor
FYI i already have those gloves lol
I had all 3 of my raid row items today. And all my M+ were in dom or legendary slots.
wintry mica
yea, you will replace it anyway most likely so just take the one thats better now
slow marsh
They are both low ilevel so it doesn't really matter
fleet anchor
So I’m taking coins
strange python
Oh shit Koji is up
strange python
Koji - scoundrel frost time?
fleet anchor
GV is a good system 😄
wintry mica
gv+dom sockets are my favorite loot systems
fleet anchor
We are pulling hotfixes for SimC now
lavish lichen
i mean if you think that old system was better idk what to say lol
lone wren
GV is a good system 😄
yours couldn't have possibly be worse than mine lmao ...how bad was yours?
wintry mica
GV isnt bad but anyone defending dom sockets as a loot system is screwed up in the head
fleet anchor
yours couldn't have possibly be worse than mine lmao ...how bad was yours?
Literally nothing usable at all because they were all duplicates. 🙂
upper wedge
It's way better than a 1 item chest previously
fleet anchor
Yes the chest is better
slow marsh
It would be diff if we could make any gear into Dom socket
fleet anchor
But you are ignoring that they removed bonus rolls
wintry mica
I need the sims to confirm that I actually have to make dashing scoundrel
lone wren
honestly ...you should not get duplicate slots in a single GV
fleet anchor
And bonus rolls were 20x more useful than this garbage
lone wren
like you have CHOICES! all belts ...
wintry mica
yea, being able to target a boss you need was always nice
upper wedge
I do miss the 100gold or whatever it was on failed rolls :d
lone wren
thanks for the choice bliz
grand ridge
will the final conduit change the viability of the venthyr legendary?
fleet anchor
If I had bonus rolls maybe I would have a dagger of some sort by now
wintry mica
for real
slow marsh
will the final conduit change the viability of the venthyr legendary?
? How would it
hollow talon
will the final conduit change the viability of the venthyr legendary?
obe with DS/BS and nadijia final row sims highest for me right now
wintry mica
are you on that korthia weapon train too?
lone wren
yeah bonus rolls at the very least increased your chances of targeting loot you needed
lavish lichen
bonus rolls were nice yea
fleet anchor
Instead of getting the same boots from the same boss every week because of Personal Loot bad luck protection offsets
wintry mica
bring back master loot
fleet anchor
It’s pretty cool
upper wedge
still rocking mythic sire 233 daggers
wintry mica
or at least give guilds the option of using it if they want
visual prairie
i liked trying to game the bad luck protection on bonus rolls... I really need loot of boss 7, but my last bonus roll worked. I probably won't get two bonus rolls in a row, so i'm going to bonus roll boss 6 just to try and fail to get better luck for boss 7
wintry mica
still rocking mythic sire 233 daggers
i got them korthia crit haste 220s right now
fleet anchor
I’m not joking that I’ve gotten the Soulrender boots 4 times in raid and twice in vault. It’s actually a joke lol
grand ridge
Sorry what does obe mean
upper wedge
obedience
strange python
I’m not joking that I’ve gotten the Soulrender boots 4 times in raid and twice i...
Just go mastery build
fleet anchor
More about the dupes than the item 😛
grand ridge
interesting
lone wren
i got herioc sylv daggers last night ..so the game had to even it out for me today with my GV
fleet anchor
Frost still needs testing though before we can recommend
wintry mica
im really tempted to just make dashing already to try it out in heroic farm tonight
strange python
I really want scoundrel frost to be good, playing sub without the sylv dagger feels so sad
slow marsh
It will be no worries
wintry mica
it seems like frost outlaw is gunna be crazy too
strange python
Outlaw almost always sims higher than it performs in reality tbh. But yeah outlaw looks good
grand ridge
I hope it reduces the CD enough to pair flag with vendetta
normal slate
weee somehow belt with +10 ilvls and a socket is simming less than lower belt with same stats but reversed..... 
grand ridge
that would really make the rotation feel nice
wintry mica
I hope it reduces the CD enough to pair flag with vendetta
it doesn't really for sin
slow marsh
Dashing frost was already bis in sims before buffs, but had to take down pins due to confusion
hollow talon
Outlaw almost always sims higher than it performs in reality tbh. But yeah outla...
its cause its hard to play JPC was right
grand ridge
aw
wintry mica
you usually get like 20-25 stacks
grand ridge
maybe at least enough to make it worth pairing it??
strange python
its cause its hard to play JPC was right
There's a lot of optimization in the rotation that isn't always in your control, but they definitely made outlaw harder this xpac
wintry mica
general you can vendetta every other flag*, but its most important that you dont lose a cast over the course of the fight by delaying
grand ridge
ah
strange python
I just really don't feel like playing killing spree
wintry mica
I basically havent played outlaw since legion cause i fucking hate rtb
hollow talon
maybe at least enough to make it worth pairing it??
u have to hold vendetta like 10-15 seconds sometimes
to line it up with flag
but as long as u dont lose a cast i think its still good
its just easier to just play doomblade though
pretty much just send all the cd's whenever they come up
no holding
slow marsh
Na you still sync flag with vendetta
wintry mica
yea, short fights i usually end up holding second vendetta for third flag even with doomblade
you only hold if you dont lose a cast
fleet anchor
There's a lot of optimization in the rotation that isn't always in your control,...
What do you mean? Outlaw is like…identical to play compared to BfA?
strange python
What do you mean? Outlaw is like…identical to play compared to BfA?
I hate the change to rtb tbh
fleet anchor
That just made it easier though. Less rerolling.
slow marsh
You mean knowing when to reroll and when not to ?
It's not bad once you understand it
wintry mica
having to reroll buffs was the worst feeling ever
and the rare ultra buff wasn't cool enough to offset it for me
hollow talon
having to reroll buffs was the worst feeling ever
ya on ST bosses it was so bad
fleet anchor
I don’t think Outlaw sims any higher relative to reality than any of the other Rogue specs. There is always variance.
hollow talon
everyone else is blasting and im just... sitting there... rerolling
lavish lichen
the sims account for variance tho?
slow marsh
Yes
fleet anchor
It’s fine to say you don’t want to play it but we’re data-driven here. Don’t just make up fake reasons not to play. Just say you don’t want to. 😛
slow marsh
It has the highest top end of all specs to prove it
strange python
I'm relatively sure outlaw has a higher variance now than bfa but I will check
slow marsh
But it averages out about the same as the kthers
wintry mica
low variance is why sin rogue is ranked so high for dps anyway
strange python
Also ghostly strike being temporarily the pick isn't relative to spec changes but is more of a pain to use
fleet anchor
I used GS for the last year or so. It’s fine. Outlaw variance is higher but it’s only like 1%. Nothing anyone would notice in practice.
RNG across all specs is much higher
Variance for even Assassination is 12% across standard deviations
wintry mica
is it a big loss to just macro totem into a spell so it gets used on CD
I always forget about the CDR you get and end up not using it on cD
vast forum
Not really but also it's good to track when you're using your shit
fleet anchor
Using totem on CD is probably fine but it does scale with haste so you’ll want to sync with lust.
vast forum
Like, if you need to hold dps
Also, if you don't know that you're using it, you can lose the cdr
wintry mica
true, but I dont even know if ill use totem for anything other than keys
fleet anchor
It is still good yeah
wintry mica
I have phial and the guardian trinket as well
vast forum
What ilvl guardian
ionic vault
what ability do people macro it toÉ
wintry mica
239
vast forum
And what ilvl totem?
wintry mica
252
fleet anchor
Will only really get better the more stats you get since it scales with Haste and Crit and Vers while most other trinkets only Crit and Vers
vast forum
Totem should be better on st then
wintry mica
totem and amplifier sims highest in ST right now so ill probably have to switch to that
fleet anchor
But you probably just should make a WA or something that shows your on use CD availability
wintry mica
yea i have the sltrinkets WA
i just forget that its up as often as it is
didnt want to macro it to a spell if it was going to cause issues i can just get used to using it
cause I assume I will still want to use amplifier on pull during lust
strange python
Macroing trinket to vendetta is probably fine
wintry mica
trinket has reduced CD compared to vendetta though
ionic vault
wdym
strange python
Only if you kill adds
wintry mica
oh i guess we are talking pure ST
ionic vault
they both are on a 2 mins cd no?
wintry mica
kills while totem is active reduce the CD
ionic vault
ah yeah on multi targets
wintry mica
but yea I actually have ran out of keybinds now with double on-use
ionic vault
just bind it to mutilate yolo
ionic vault
he said with the double on use trinkeets
strange python
Still
strange python
You can unbind poisons if those are bound
ionic vault
why would you bind poison lol
strange python
Idk, I have no idea how you'd hit keybinds limitations without it though
fleet anchor
As long as you put the trinket you want to use first as first in your macro there isn’t much harm in using a single button for both on uses
strange python
Sin has legit like 15 buttons max
iron plover
Is Raidbots weird w/ domination gems? I've selected my dom gem options, but the sim results if i'm reading them correctly is saying to go 3 dps gems rather than either of the set bonuses (have UH head and Frost Shoulders).
fleet anchor
For trinkets
wintry mica
i mean even not counting utility we have like 11 keybinds just for damage spells
wintry mica
Is Raidbots weird w/ domination gems? I've selected my dom gem options, but the ...
I was only able to get shard sims to work by unsocketing my gear before running it
it wasnt replacing my shards during the sim
iron plover
ohhhh ok i think i remember reading someone in here saying that awhile back
drifting cloud
you need to have replace sockets ticked
iron plover
that makes sense
wintry mica
even with that it wasn't working for me. but I havent done a shard sim in a while since i was waiting for the buffs and stuff to come out
silent fossil
@fleet anchor any idea if the changes to sack are reflected in sims? been afk for a week for work
or were the sims not including the bugged interaction to begin with
wintry mica
I dont think the sim had the extra damage from others using the trinket that got hotfixed if thats what you are talking about
cause it was outperforming sims by a decent amount from what I was seeing
obsidian socket
dashing with r1 frost didnt beat my uh on patchwerk im confuse
wintry mica
are the sims even updated yet? and what rank is your UH?
caus r2 set is literally twice as strong as r1 set
fleet anchor
or were the sims not including the bugged interaction to begin with
Bugged interaction was only when other players in the raid had it. So this was never reflected in sims.
Value has been correct for single usage for a while.
obsidian socket
if i make all my frost shards in the sim r4 then they beat my uh r4
wintry mica
yea each upgrade basically adds another r1 set of effectiveness
iron plover
you need to have replace sockets ticked
that did the trick ty
bleak sky
if i make all my frost shards in the sim r4 then they beat my uh r4
frost rank 4 > uh r4 for me
by A LOT
obsidian socket
hmm only high rank frost shards start winning it seems
whats a lot? i got like 150 dps
bleak sky
I'm rerunning sims just to make sure I didnt fuck up
thick wagon
frost set still simming lower for me at r4 😦
wintry mica
I assume you still need a decent amount of crit for it to be worth it
but everyone should have a lot of crit with how our stats work
just be patient and the actual smart people will figure it out and let us know
wintry mica
yea im the same way, I only saved embers from last week for frost
real bay
for majority of bosses uh still gona beat frost just watch
wintry mica
yea dashing and frost really only works ST
bleak sky
yea im the same way, I only saved embers from last week for frost
Same, but I've only got like 70
wintry mica
yea ive got enough for r3 frost right now
going to wait until the last minute before raid tonight to do anything though
bleak sky
I think we're gonna clear heroic -> upgrade shit -> back to mythic
wintry mica
makes sense, but those heroic clear parses
bleak sky
I can parse next week 😛
wintry mica
get that early r1 with frost scoundrel?
coarse crag
How far behind is UH doom blade?
night comet
hi all, what legendary would you guys craft if you had just hit max lvl now?
wintry mica
obedience is solid all around if you are venth
bleak sky
Care to link the uh sim? Cose that includes a gv upgrade ite.
no gv items
wintry mica
oh wait you need 48 renown so not exactly a right at max level thing
thick wagon
weird my sim is now showing frost with doomblade over scoundrel
ionic vault
If I need to craft a legendary should I craft obedience or doomblade or wait for more testing on the frost shards and craft dashing scoundrels?
wintry mica
do you have maim potency on? that could buff the value of doomblade
thick wagon
do you have maim potency on? that could buff the value of doomblade
i don't
delicate smelt
will be Dashing solid if they made changes to frost set in future?
burnt star
no gv items
Seems weird to me. How much crit u have?
thick wagon
i am necro which may be why
burnt star
Is r4 uh too?
thick wagon
ya
wintry mica
If I need to craft a legendary should I craft obedience or doomblade or wait for...
yea I think bone shards counts for doomblade damage buff
whoops wrong reply
bleak sky
Seems weird to me. How much crit u have?
not a lot, 32%
burnt star
Ya really weird then..
thick wagon
yea I think bone shards counts for doomblade damage buff
you might be right here
buoyant kraken
@bleak sky you have sims for blood aswell?
wintry mica
are you using weekly or nightly sim?
coarse crag
So doomblade may still be the move for necro
wintry mica
cause weekly for sure wouldnt be updated right?
thick wagon
nightly
placid pagoda
When doing top gear sims, if you have gear equipped with the Dom sockets in will it account for that or do you have to add them to the sim on the selection option
wintry mica
the move for necro is to swap covenants cause blizz aint ever fixing that shit at this rate
placid pagoda
the move for necro is to swap covenants cause blizz aint ever fixing that shit a...
I swapped back to venth coz of this
wintry mica
like 2 weeks of the covenant ability being completely broken now right?
night comet
im so confused now lol
limber swallow
feels like longer than that
wintry mica
Kolo what covenant are you
true ivy
Should I be popping Fusion Amplifier on opener or wait for Flag haste buff?
bleak sky
When doing top gear sims, if you have gear equipped with the Dom sockets in will...
I'm not sure what you're asking
ionic vault
does blood link count as damage done?
night comet
im venthyr
placid pagoda
I'm not sure what you're asking
To add shards, to see the increase in damage, does top gear account for them if they’re in the gear you already have equipped and summing?
wintry mica
Should I be popping Fusion Amplifier on opener or wait for Flag haste buff?
I usually just use it with 5 seconds left before flag buff but its a super minor thing that may not even be optimal
placid pagoda
To add shards, to see the increase in damage, does top gear account for them if ...
Because there is an option to select shards in top gear
bleak sky
Selecting shards is to see what's best, that's all
wintry mica
ventgyr
if you can wait until you hit 48 renown i would get obedience since it works in all content
young nacelle
we goin back to nadjia this week or is theotar still the move
wintry mica
young nacelle
strange python
Is so'leash trinket (secret technique) worth using it ? Cause it seems a lil of failure in m+
wintry mica
its okay as just a passive buff trinket
night comet
what sim do you guys use?
wintry mica
raidbots.com top gear
bleak sky
what sim do you guys use?
raidbots.com top gear nightly build; patchwerk 5 min all buffs
vestal wren
raidbots is up to date, so you can sim yourself
also funny how sin/sub are now very close on st if sin uses frost + dashing
dark token
Yeah before I was sweating to pick sin or sub now it's easy choice full sin OTP
wintry mica
frost seems like the gems themselves will be better for prog too with the extra survivability
vestal wren
Yeah before I was sweating to pick sin or sub now it's easy choice full sin OTP
well :
placid pagoda
If you had two chests, one without Dom socket and one dom socket with shard, would raidbots sim it correctly with the added buff from whatever shard you have in?
wintry mica
yea lol
bleak valve
How much crit is high crit for the frost set?
wintry mica
i assume outlaw will end up getting nerfed though if that number is reflected at all in real play
vestal wren
How much crit is high crit for the frost set?
sim it 😛
will take a bit for outlaw to get to that point
wintry mica
cause that puts outlaw at like literal bis ST class period right?
strange python
well :
Is that with sylv daggers, I'm guessing? Stands to reason sin is way more competitive if you don't have them then.
strange python
(compared to sub I mean)
wintry mica
those sims are full bis gear so I bet the sin sim also has sylv daggers
young nacelle
do we even want two of them or just one
wintry mica
depends on your other option
vestal wren
was this outlaw venthyr?
yes. venthyr with night elf race and celerity
young nacelle
literally any 252 dagger lmao
wintry mica
252 mainhand with 233 sylv offhand beats 2 233 sylv daggers usually
cold rampart
what is the average dps sim?
vestal wren
what is the average dps sim?
average of what?
the average sim is somewhere between 7k and 11k
rly depends on who posts
dark token
@vestal wren outlaw was already the same relative dps ahead of sin frost buffs didn't change it
Both got buffed by 5% right
dark token
So if I ever played sin before outlaw this week my decision wouldnt change based on shard buffs
vestal wren
thats basically the frost buff
ionic vault
so when using doomblade + double potency conduits its better to use maim over well placed steel>
?
still elm
sim yourself
dark token
Yeah so the only difference this week in power between rogue specs is
Sub got 2% worse
vestal wren
no
wintry mica
sim yourself but thats how my sims work
dark token
Sin/outlaw are the same
wintry mica
sin used to use unholy set
dark token
Yes but what I mean is the frost set buffs affected sin and outlaw equally
Your sim shows it
+5%
vestal wren
but the frost buff is another 5% on top
cold rampart
frost is the best set now?
vestal wren
the sim is 5%
wintry mica
vestal wren
because you compare frost to frost
strange python
Why is sim showing frost and scoundrel as 900 DPS downgrade I'm very confused. I have huge crit and last week it simmed higher
wintry mica
frost is the best set now?
frost with dashing looks to be best for ST right now for sin but trust the sims
wintry mica
Why is sim showing frost and scoundrel as 900 DPS downgrade I'm very confused. I...
link it
vestal wren
so its a combination of frost being fixed so using it is strong and a buff to frost that makes it quite insane (ofc if you have the right gear)
strange python
Do we have confirmation frost is fixed?
dark token
So what was outlaw t28 profile using before, unholy?
strange python
Other than patch notes
vestal wren
Do we have confirmation frost is fixed?
i am not na, so i can't test
wintry mica
let me swap and go to maw and i can see if the numbers are updated
vestal wren
but bluepost did point it out so it would be weird if it wasn't
dark token
I think it's more relevant to show the diff between outlaw/sin unholy -> outlaw/sin frost (post fix pre buff) -> outlaw/sin buff
Because how it's pinned it shows no difference between sin/outlaw due to frost buffs, only sub getting worse
placid pagoda
@vestal wren does cov affect this? I assume it’s for venth?
strange python
This sim is so fucking weird. When it puts frost shards in it's suggesting I replace my blood damage share instead of the speed unholy
vestal wren
Because how it's pinned it shows no difference between sin/outlaw due to frost b...
you can go to the sim and compare all of them
vestal wren
frsot was the big buff hence it makes sense to show how much dps its worth
dark token
Do you have a link to the sim
vestal wren
yes
strange python
strange python
Why is this insistent on obe and unholy at huge crit
strange python
And how is it such a big drop
strange python
And why does it want me to replace the damage blood shard
wintry mica
hmm
the buff in game still has me storing the same amount per crit as before reset
trying to think how i can test if the tooltip is wrong and the buff actually is working
sharp zodiac
Raidbots updated to reflect changes today? Assuming this has been answered somewhere already
vestal wren
Raidbots updated to reflect changes today? Assuming this has been answered somew...
yes
vestal wren
wdym?
strange python
It's trying to replace the damage blood shard to get frost set instead of the speed unholy
sharp zodiac
Thx Fuu
restive falcon
do we know when frost sims will be out?
fiery mauve
subt pins
wintry mica
can someone smarter than me think of a way that I can test if the frost buff is actually working?
i assume blizz is just lazy and didnt update the tooltips for anything?
vestal wren
also if you sim such a big amount of combination, raidbots hides similar combinations
shell ivy
is there a way to sim multi specs
vestal wren
you can just make a top gear sim for each spec
quasi grotto
for me frost set is simming slightly lower. should i go ahead and craft my rank 6 doomblade
shell ivy
ya thats what i've been doing i just wonder how u guys do all at once
vestal wren
for me frost set is simming slightly lower. should i go ahead and craft my rank ...
you could try if dashing changes that
strange python
Is raidbots broken like wtf is this sim
loud light
Is raidbots broken like wtf is this sim
not sure how you set it up but it looks like none of the options have 3 frost gems actually slotted in
bleak sky
I have it set to use dom bonuses and select three frost shards
and override gems
loud light
when I pick "run sim again" it only shows you having selected 2 of the frost gems
tel is not picked
uneven hamlet
obe+frost is simming higher than dashing+frost for me
strange python
The fuck? It's picked on my screen. I'll re run
bleak sky
on the -900 sim it seems to be using 2/0/0
cobalt pelican
you literally only have 2 frost shards selected in your gems
you are not being DECEIVED
bleak sky
btw has anyone seen Whispyr?
strange python
And tel is in boots in game, it's seemingly unequipping it
spice spire
btw has anyone seen Whispyr?
He’s taking a break king
bleak sky
He’s taking a break king
All praise our king/queen whispyr
May them rest for as long as they need
tawdry sparrow
Just wondering if its gonna be worth o run frost set with a dashing ilvl 235 instead of frost set with 260 doom
spice spire
Deserved
uneven hamlet
Just wondering if its gonna be worth o run frost set with a dashing ilvl 235 ins...
it wont
bleak sky
Just wondering if its gonna be worth o run frost set with a dashing ilvl 235 ins...
sim it
uneven hamlet
it wont
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dfBRmDj1o5xxRwT8yLhgnc not that much diff for me
tawdry sparrow
I am eu, will be simming tomorrow
bleak sky
262 dashing + r4 frost is 50dps higher than 262 obedience + r4 frost (for me)
plain thistle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kzbc88pBNUTCHhTBChBSKt +0.8% comparing rank 3 frost vs unholy
10k here I go? maybe?
gritty mason
do i go frost or unholy for shard set
wintry mica
like its hard to test but i feel like the frost set is still doing the same damage as before reset on live
bleak sky
do i go frost or unholy for shard set
sim
spice spire
like its hard to test but i feel like the frost set is still doing the same dama...
It is not - I did a run yesterday and today
west geode
spice spire
Difference is quite a bit
spice spire
Unholy still simming best for me rn.
lone wren
@vestal wren im just looking over the sims you linked, only thing im noticing is that the assasination unholy sim doesn't have haste stack as high as it should be for that build. With Obe legendary, is there a haste break point around 23.4% ish?
i ask because right now with unholy set and doomblade build haste is simming much higher for me
vestal wren
you can play around and see if you manage to get it higher with gear changes
vestal wren
haste cap 😛 (i am joking, pls no hate)
plain thistle
lone wren
i know there are diminishing returns and soft caps, i just wasn't sure what those soft caps are this expansion
magic gale
cobalt pelican
link the sim
still elm
i still havent gotten all my shards 😦
uneven summit
real question is, Dashing Scoundrel, yes or no
wintry mica
is that the buff that is accounted for in sims?
bleak sky
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xk2bEz89rmgowBF8MrZzYg
what the fuck are those numbers
sharp zodiac
what the fuck are those numbers
idk bro my cleave add numbers are huge too
Maybe Im messing up a sim
strange python
Has anyone tested if frost is bugged or working?
red plaza
He's running 3min sims
strange python
it seems like its working just not in the way I thought
How so. Are sims accurate and we build dashing? Or nah
wintry mica
not sure if its details or rounding errors but if i ignore my crits from trink and the unholy siphon essence
sharp zodiac
He's running 3min sims
Ah knew I was messing up somewhere haha
wintry mica
then winds did like 10 less damage than i would expect it to after the 45% buff
grizzled orbit
Sim's are telling me to replace all my haste gems with Crit. I dont even have frost 3 set. Why could this be?
wintry mica
so it seems to be working on live its just the tooltip is not updated cause blizzard are lazy
strange python
Sim's are telling me to replace all my haste gems with Crit. I dont even have fr...
Nadjia final row?
If vers and crit are close it might want to ensure the crit
restive falcon
my sim still says unholy
slow marsh
Sim's are telling me to replace all my haste gems with Crit. I dont even have fr...
Are you venthyr?
grizzled orbit
yah
wintry mica
r1 frost set wont beat unholy if youve already upgraded it
slow marsh
Crit has been better for venthyr since last patch
restive falcon
isimmed rank3 frost vs rank3 unholy and unholy was +3 dps higher
wintry mica
with dashing?
restive falcon
that was with doomblade but with dashing it was like 100dps lower than unholy
wintry mica
sounds like you need more crit then maybe
slow marsh
Are you simming with EP/vig
restive falcon
yea im 27crit 24haste and im using EP/Vigor
slow marsh
That's why
hollow talon
is there any special rule for plying blindside?
do u just send it whenever it procs
(except overcapping CPs)
indigo mulch
hollow talon
kk
slow marsh
Yes and don't muti again until you spend it
slow marsh
As it should
lone wren
sounds liek for a lot of us, it's a stick to doomblade for a few more weeks until we have the crit gear and frost at rank 5.
hollow talon
dashing sims 30 dps more than doomblade for me
with DS/BS?
lone wren
my crit is 34% base and haste at 22% and unholy is simming slightly higher with doomblade over dashing/frost (yes with correct talents BS/DS)
slow marsh
I mean play either I guess. 30 dps isn't going to kill a boss where you wouldn't
uneven summit
with DS/BS?
yes
hollow talon
did u check obedience with unholy as well @uneven summit
uneven summit
i did
hollow talon
still lower than dashing frost?
uneven summit
yes
slow marsh
Dashing frost is bis idk why people are still questioning it, I've been saying it for over a week xD
strange python
Dashing frost is bis idk why people are still questioning it, I've been saying i...
I'm skeptical of bugfixes. Blizzard doesn't have the best track record
lone wren
i think it's going to be that way for many people, frost is not an option for sin rogues until you can have the crit you need and frost at rank 5.
slow marsh
Not true at all
strange python
Frost rank 3 is better for me.
slow marsh
Like actually straight cap
lone wren
i'll sim more later tonight, but im just going with what my sims are telling me.
deft vault
Is bonesmith still the best for necro with the new trait
slow marsh
Well don't use your isolated sims as a blanket statement for all sin rogues lol
sharp zodiac
Yeah Frost R3 sims huge for me
slow marsh
Also people are still simming with only ep/vig, which is going to yield weird results
lone wren
i simmed with BS/DS
alpine latch
For me (Rank 3 Frost) DS and Obedience are pretty close in terms of damage.
wintry mica
alright so I still couldnt figure out what was causing the discrepency in the frost damage but after looking over a log I can confirm it is doing more damage than before reset
slow marsh
For me (Rank 3 Frost) DS and Obedience are pretty close in terms of damage.
This sounds right
alpine latch
I think it was within like 20 DPS
slow marsh
Obedience should be closer to dashing than doomblade
wintry mica
I literally added up all of the crits I got in the 20 seconds between frost procs and did the math to make sure
alpine latch
This sounds right
Does DS take off as Frost set goes up in rank? Or is it always a marginal upgrade?
uneven summit
i just can´t figure out if i should make 262 doomblade or Dashing straight up now
pale plank
For me (Rank 3 Frost) DS and Obedience are pretty close in terms of damage.
So I should have no problem going obedience since I would like to sin/sub swap
slow marsh
Does DS take off as Frost set goes up in rank? Or is it always a marginal upgrad...
Yes and as you increase in ilvl+crit
Like the graph for crit stonks is nutty, but not at the sacrifice of agi
alpine latch
So I should have no problem going obedience since I would like to sin/sub swap
Obedience: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b5zH2LoftaocoyHzm6EwRL
DS: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/29PGe2rdM185mjWYQx8Gys
For me in my current gear, it's within 12 DPS. I'm only r3 Frost, though.
slow marsh
Rank 4 frost is a big benchmark as well
pale plank
I guess dashing frost kicks in later on
alpine latch
I'm at least another week from making it anyway
slow marsh
When we were simming before buffs, rank 3 was competitive and then rank 4 frost was where it started taking off
alpine latch
I don't have the Unholy helm, so it was a no-brainer for me to boost up Frost
pale plank
They are on par at Rank4 leggo and low rank shards right? I don’t wanna tank my dps if I start switching to Dashing frost now
alpine latch
They are on par at Rank4 leggo and low rank shards right? I don’t wanna tank my ...
Don't swap until it's a worthwhile swap
If you're only gaining 20 DPS, it's not worth it
slow marsh
UH is better at lower item level because it's flat stats
pale plank
Don't swap until it's a worthwhile swap
Thing is I have none leggo at rank 4 right now, only doomblade at rank3
pale plank
Yea I am banking then right now
strange python
20 embers away from rank 4 :( time to pug normal
alpine latch
embers?
uneven summit
even with dashing, frost and crit - haste is still 2nd stat, no?
slow marsh
Yes haste 2nd
wintry mica
i wish they made frost set look cool
you literally just shoot a tiny icicle every 20 seconds
bleak sky
feels nice to have swirly purple stuff around your character
slow marsh
I mean true but I personally could care less lol. Imo less distractions is better
wintry mica
everyone knows looking cool is the best way to increase your dps
slow marsh
For tmog yes
still elm
look good play good
wintry mica
im not gunna be using any cinders on dashing for a bit since its kinda booty outside ST
quasi grotto
so as im not simming higher with frost. shall i just craft rank 6 doom and wait till i get that sweet crit spot
wintry mica
do you have r6 obe cause id probably craft that instead
quasi grotto
nope not got any r6 yet
real bay
frost is a simbait, how many bosses you're gona be doing pure st?
hollow talon
i did a sim for myself with all the talent + leggo choices and unholy/frost both at rank 4
real bay
im gonna wait to see how many people actually run it
lean coral
did you miss some weeks or something to not have a r6 yet?
obtuse robin
unholy is - 260 for me
tepid burrow
wintry mica
with the way things look doomblade will get replaced for ST where as obe is always going to be useful
real bay
50dps diff for me both r3..
hollow talon
ya dashing frost is lookin thicc
wintry mica
even missing a week you should have enough for a r6 now
obtuse robin
u guys need r4 and close to 40 % crit then ur numbers will change
hollow talon
almost as high as my sub sim
lean coral
dashing frost is 4 dps for me at rank 4
spice spire
dashing frost is 4 dps for me at rank 4
That’s midmaxing king
obtuse robin
he does not have ds/bs no
hollow talon
it was like 300 dps higher than unholy combos with DS/BS and nadija final row for me
lookin pretty fat
quasi grotto
had enough to craft this week. but heard about the changes so been holding
quasi grotto
only been doing torg tbh
loud trench
252 M+ and 233 edge is +200 dps than 2x 233 edge...is there a DR or something?
lean coral
never actually looked at how much we get a week
quasi grotto
about 360 a week i think
hollow talon
never actually looked at how much we get a week
510 total
360 from torgy, 100 from assaults, 50 from tormentor
and then you can get like 50~ from missions
obtuse robin
dashing frost is 4 dps for me at rank 4
bro u have no crit
we keep saying what u need and ppl ignore it
you need crit
quasi grotto
we keep saying what u need and ppl ignore it
what is the crit spot
obtuse robin
im at 36 % and frost sims alot higher for me
should rerun a couple times to make sure
balmy anvil
im having issues running sims. i have a 3rd dom slot piece in my gv, but top gear is telling me it cant run a combo with that piece. the dom shard section is saying it cant fill sockets
quasi grotto
im re running alot man
i think its not attempting to change the shards
re running with all sorts of gear, so jsut doing shards now
balmy anvil
it wont run if i just select the boots and the 3 shards
lean coral
does the frost effect cleave?
obtuse robin
yea idk what the problem yo uguys r running into is
quasi grotto
figured out why fgs. what piece do i need for the frost set?
abstract venture
@vestal wren https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gogp8fHWhJLTfkUzo5VVS5 BS/Deeper is viable with dashing i think no ?
obtuse robin
does the frost effect cleave?
frost will pool dmg from cleave/aoe
garbage for outlaw tho
lean coral
fuck outlaw
obtuse robin
figured out why fgs. what piece do i need for the frost set?
shoulders
uneven hamlet
every sim I did just now said to me go doom over dashing , mostly using ep+vigor, realistically I would only go for ds+blind on guardian m
abstract venture
in actual setting
obtuse robin
every sim I did just now said to me go doom over dashing , mostly using ep+vigor...
link sim
viscid spear
I don't want to switch to a different shard set, I just got UH 3-pc and don't even having Dashing crafted
slow marsh
then dont lol
slow marsh
people took a long time to swap to venthyr because they didn't want to
lean coral
i insta swapped i wanted venthyr to be good since this xpac was announced
pale plank
I am just gonna craft dashing straight up since I don’t have any leggo at rank4 and just work my way from with frost shards, good think I started playing rogue late
quasi grotto
hopefully get shoulders tomorrow. and can sim it! or can i add piece in sims and shards?
lean coral
well i have 1 frost gem at r3 i can probs get other 2 to rank 3 this week
placid dawn
guys, shadowgrasp totem is legit good right?
slow marsh
yes
late grove
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9HeDdz5SXXhiHFEax291Po frost set (assuming no dashing) is simming best for me, anyone else? also note i've removed windfury from here cuz our raid doesnt have one lol
ancient rain
does mastery increase envenom damage?
uneven hamlet
shards were off lmao
lean coral
unless keys
wind totem
I got rank 4 unholy gems with tier bonus. Which is more worth. Going for rank 5 or pumping frost gems to switch?
fleet atlas
Mastery is actually simming as my second best stat
quasi grotto
@obtuse robin is it possible to sim with the shoulders i dont have plus changing the sockets?
lean coral
I got rank 4 unholy gems with tier bonus. Which is more worth. Going for rank 5 ...
you can sim it
what im doing rn
lone wren
based on current sims it looks like it's better to just start upgrading frost, though remember you need shoulders to activate frost
obtuse robin
<@!210877208737087488> is it possible to sim with the shoulders i dont have plus...
yea in gear compare
lean coral
going r5 unholy is gonna take a while too
wind totem
you can sim it
I'm not asking if it's better.
obtuse robin
then take that sim and put in top gear
quasi grotto
then take that sim and put in top gear
ty
bleak sky
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j124qm8iqrdze26L3cRSCm
2x 252 weapons
phial
guardian trinket
absolutely disgusting
lean coral
i mean asking which is more worth is the same as asking which is better?
lean coral
>2x 252 weapons
>phial
>guardian trinket
real bay
better do lottery man
wind totem
i mean asking which is more worth is the same as asking which is better?
It takes resource to switch. Hence my question.
lone wren
not exactly, he is wondering if at this point it's better for hi mto finish upgrading his unholy set or start on frost, it's a legit question.
vestal wren
<@!194804407706189824> https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gogp8fHWhJLTfkUzo5...
yes, possible
wind totem
not exactly, he is wondering if at this point it's better for hi mto finish upgr...
Thanks. Someone finally gets it.
lean coral
i mean upgrading to rank 4 wont take that long rank 5 is what like 150 embers?
wintry mica
15 45 90 150
lone wren
since going from rank 4 to rank 5 will take a long time, i would suggest start saving embers, wait 2-3 days, there will be more sims, more logs etc, once you have a clearer idea (which honestly looks like frost is winning by a large margin) just start upgrading frost now