yy im used to it due to pvp
#assassination
violet hemlock
wait are u spamming ct or keeping up ct
violet hemlock
mainly the if if minions I rupture scares me
violet hemlock
ye u keep up ct and then rupture everything
narrow ravine
just pandemic the CT dot, and if you have 4 ruptures going and CT is refreshed, just envenom something
toxic root
yy
narrow ravine
or pool a bit
violet hemlock
ye the ruptures will make it so u dont starve
toxic root
do i use my vendetta on the main target in hard packs
or save it ?
for boss encounters?
narrow ravine
you don't have to use it at the start of a boss, you can use it in the middle and its just as good
toxic root
yy most encounters have a state that take more dmg anyway
thank you guys u rly helped
wintry terrace
hey. can anyone advice me in covenant pick? whats the main playstyle diff between venthyr and necro? i see both alot in logs
royal lantern
necro is a builder that gains value with more targets
it can somewhat smooth the gameplay out if you dont like the slow sin gameplay cus its a cheap heavy hitting ability that generates a shitton of cp in multitarget situations
by far the best covenant for m+
hybrid laurel
just pandemic the CT dot, and if you have 4 ruptures going and CT is refreshed, ...
damn, ive been doing it so wrong lol, just spamming CT
royal lantern
venthyr has shitton of haste passives+flagelation is a heavy hittin cd that gives you additonal free haste
narrow ravine
yeah spamming fan ct fan ct is a dps loss
violet hemlock
Well spamming ct doesnt make sense if u just loot at the numbers on the ability tooltips
wintry terrace
@royal lantern thanks alot 🙂
narrow ravine
just keep that CT dot rolling and refresh it, but otherwise focus on rupture as many as you can juggle
violet hemlock
and understand how venemous wound works
narrow ravine
you get a lot of energy from rupture
my weak aura broke one day and It didnt tell me my poisons dropped off and I was like what the hell why do I feel so slow...
took me way longer than I want to admit
royal lantern
<@!346293680883236864> thanks alot 🙂
did you play assassination during legion?
if yes, flagelation is more or less kingsbane poison, but with haste
dusk mason
with dashing, would the crit count on all poisons in aoe if you do fan of knifes. that would be massive energy
hybrid laurel
yeah spamming fan ct fan ct is a dps loss
so wait, even in roh-khalo fight for adds, just CT once and then fan for 3+ruptures and envenoms
royal lantern
yes
ct has very low on cast dmg
its entire dmg is in the dot part(makes sense for a dot skill, or not?)
violet hemlock
ooh nooo....
violet hemlock
well even bp still gives prio to rupture at 4
hybrid laurel
between doing 3 ruptures and envenom, or 4 ruptures and one envenom, with doomblade, its efficient just getting 3 ruptures? it seems to me that getting 4 will be a really hard energy cap
violet hemlock
so ruptures do more dmg than envenoms but it all depends where ur dmg is needed
and give u energy
plain thistle
lets go boys
violet hemlock
gz
narrow ravine
looks like you can trade that @plain thistle
hybrid laurel
gz!
narrow ravine
obv
plain thistle
lethal zodiac
I try to stay strong but its so frustrating
royal lantern
I try to stay strong but its so frustrating
the #1trick is
dont do the dungeon while thinking" i want the trinket"
cus then RNGesus will curse you
just do the dungeon
lone wren
The extreme RNG is really frustrating I feel you. I still have 236 daggers
drifting cloud
upgrade them .. ?
royal lantern
^
lethal zodiac
dont do the dungeon while thinking" i want the trinket"
I wish I could think like that for me the neat run is ALWAYS "the run"
royal lantern
236 means you got a current season dagger lol
lethal zodiac
Next *
fallen arch
The extreme RNG is really frustrating I feel you. I still have 236 daggers
U should have valor to upgrade both to 246?
Especially mh is massive dps increase
Unless you meant 226
lethal zodiac
Maybe he has no ksm who knows
bleak sky
tomorrow 252 weapon in vault for sure 
plain thistle
How many runs?
I did a lot less
obtuse robin
252 outlaw mh 2marow lets go
lethal zodiac
Trinket for sure
timid talon
252 outlaw mh 2marow lets go
pretty sure im also opening my vault as outlaw lol
obtuse robin
yea sinse fuck egde of night
bleak sky
easy phial
bleak sky
pretty sure im also opening my vault as outlaw lol
poxstorm for sure
lethal zodiac
easy phial
lone wren
U should have valor to upgrade both to 246?
Yes except that wouldn't be the smartest thing you do yet lol I have been simming myself for upgrades to see which piece gives the highest damage % boost so based on that I have been upgrading Phial and dagger together. Also with loot I have access to, I will have a norm or heroic version of sylv daggers sooner or later and a 252 mythic dagger
obtuse robin
lawd 1/2 mercy
lethal zodiac
bleak sky
Yes except that wouldn't be the smartest thing you do yet lol I have been simmin...
246 weapons should be the best thing to spend valor on tho
lone wren
Well not according to my Sim results
I thought that would be the case too
Until I simmed
bleak sky
F
rustic whale
new sims explaining on wednesday? (eu)
lone wren
It will probably be a case by case situation, it would depend on ilvl difference between your dagger and your phial etc
lone wren
My last Sim it was 0.1% bigger to upgrade my phial over my dagger
obtuse robin
should have enough valor to upgrade both anyway
lone wren
And chances are I will keep using the phial but these daggers will be replaced. Of course I could open my chest tomorrow and get a 252 phial ....but there are more sources of better daggers and only 1 source for a better phial.
obtuse robin
unless u just cucked urself running 14 and under
lone wren
No I do all 15+
narrow ravine
its only 400 valor per 3 ilevels
lone wren
Dagger is 500
narrow ravine
on trinkets
lone wren
Once you hit a certain ilvl
Yeah I have been going back and forth between the two and simming and upgrading whichever gives better results
gloomy ridge
I'm still playing sin rogue as night fae because I'm a masochist
lone wren
haha
proper tapir
bit offquestion
The move anything addon can hide that frame.
misty bough
pog, any clue what they could be called
hollow river
There should also be a way to make them into better unit frames and reposition them with elvui I’m pretty sure
somber hill
they are boss frames
they are kinda useful for sin tho for dot management
u may want to reposition them and not reemovee them entirely
stone gate
Who do u guys think is better between sub/sin in m+?
balmy condor
Sub
grim tangle
sin is more fun
soft shale
you can play both if you're 250 ilvl you're gonna roll anyway
stone gate
idk cause I prefer sin in ST but sub feels way better in aoe
ocean cave
tomorrow Sylv dagger in the vault for sure for everybody
when I get it tomorrow I’ll remember this
pale plank
yep, thank me later
trail anvil
Will the changes to Frost Shards coming with the reset effect cov choice at all? or still Venth (I am necro rn and tired of necro bug)?
timid talon
Yeah, it'll make you probably wanna go outlaw again
trail anvil
Yahtzee Kek
pale plank
i mean it will prob make outlaw better but it wouldnt make sin worst right?
shouldnt be any problem if u stay sin
real bay
nah aint going back to yolo pirate
prime narwhal
how is subtlety compared to assassin in M+? I guess specifically this week where we want some good AoE
I almost never see other rogues in M+ when I play my resto shaman
so I don't really have much to compare to other than myself
wet galleon
sinful citrus
Anyone else having sylv parry the fuck out of you on pull?
prime narwhal
is Obedience still good for sub in M+? and what build are people normally goin for?
sinful citrus
I even am waiting for her to turn around before I mutilate
abstract venture
Tomorrow new sims! lessgo !!!
vestal chasm
I even am waiting for her to turn around before I mutilate
No. I usually get called out for not using tricks because I'm going at it too fast.
winged basin
sin is more fun
Fun is subjective. Play what you wanna play :))
obtuse robin
does raidbots or the code in sub pins have the frost bug fixes?
balmy condor
Sub pins
lone wren
you know whats weird? dashing scoundrel is such a pirate sounding name ...why is it a sin legendary and not an outlaw one?
balmy condor
Because regalia of the dashing scoundrel was a tier set during legion and the legendary retained the name
lone wren
ah i see
fading mason
is the mail boss trinket still good after the nerf
untold verge
is the mail boss trinket still good after the nerf
Was nerfed? I didn’t know that
copper spoke
tomorrow Sylv dagger in the vault for sure for everybody
This is the mood I'm here for
craggy basin
This is the mood I'm here for
Right !
We finally progged and killed heroic KT , took my normal vault chance away talk about being sad and excited at same time
indigo mulch
God lord o_O those outlaw sims are just so strong X_x
dense hamlet
do u guys play mfd in m+ with subter?
rustic whale
@balmy condor boss sims are coming on wednesday?
indigo mulch
There are already sims out though
rustic whale
i meant for that dashing & frost shards sorry 🙂
indigo mulch
I mean ofcourse.
I don't think they know 100% how the frost set is going to work right?
cobalt pelican
just depends on if the fixes.. fix it or not
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> boss sims are coming on wednesday?
I’m currently taking a bit of a break from the pins and the sims and ravenholdt and the crazy stuff and just vibing to get back some mental health I’ve lost over the months
indigo mulch
I’m currently taking a bit of a break from the pins and the sims and ravenholdt ...
Get better soon whispy 😦 Taking care of yourself always comes first.
indigo mulch
Day by day!
lavish lichen
Get well friend 
indigo mulch
kind talon
I’m still around popping my head in
inner chasm
meh sub is overrated
rare scaffold
how to sim for m+ as a sin rogue
kind talon
Yes
fleet anchor
I don't think they know 100% how the frost set is going to work right?
I personally have some hesitation being gung ho on it until we verify that it all works correctly. Optimistic that it will but given that Frost is currently a bit of a disaster it’s always hard to say with 100% certainty.
I still think in practical terms Frost has some positives and negatives. Positives being that it can funnel stuff, negatives being that unless they change the targeting logic, there can be reverse funnel or lost damage too. So we will see.
cobalt pelican
do gods work for us tomorrow koji
so the europeans can wake up on weds
feeling intellectual and determined
echo geyser
indigo mulch
fleet anchor
NA beta test squad reporting for duty
indigo mulch
kekw
If frost is working as it should i don't see any reason to keep playing assassination though :c
Outlaw just looks better 😦
gentle flower
lol a lot of people hating on outlaw but it does look better
fleet anchor
I mean Outlaw does have some fairly strong gear requirements to get where it is simming
Which most people likely don’t meet
indigo mulch
True, but dosent that go for all specs though?
fleet anchor
Yes but Assassination gains the least from the daggers for example
Which makes it relatively a bit better in practice during prog when people don’t have them
At the end of the day just check your gear and see.
Most people don’t have M Painsmith weapons either since they are cockblocked by that boss 😛
ornate burrow
my stats are great to raid?
cobalt pelican
general purpose sims on any non-your character aren't very helpful
just check what's realistic for your character, and what you might have access to in the short term
idk sure lol
slim pebble
The only way scoundrel is worth it is if I have the frost set bonus, right?
plain thistle
Most people don’t have M Painsmith weapons either since they are cockblocked by ...
buoyant fossil
Hey guys, looking to duo spec into Assassin for raiding and keep outlaw for m+. Should I use all my CDs on cool down like for outlaw, or try to match certain ones?
round nimbus
is venthyr really that far above night fea?
untold nest
Venthyr for multispeccing between assa/sub necro for assa/law and kyrian for outlaw/sub
The other 3 covenants are negligible in difference between em kinda
fleet anchor
But yeah I think mostly the specs being better or worse at arbitrary gear points is really academic.
dense hamlet
i like how necro works with all specs
fleet anchor
Unless someone magics up Outlaw weapons and R5 Frost and high Crit gear and Sylv dagger and you swap Covenant then, no, Outlaw probably isn’t immediately better for an Assassination player
And likewise if you had all those things Outlaw was probably always good anyway
I’m not seeing any compelling reason at this very moment that people need to swap spec. Then again, I’m a big fan of spec swapping in general and I think folks being open about flexibility is good too.
Outlaw has never been a bad option
Sub has simmed higher than Assassination most of this tier so far and 75% of people still play Assassination so…
dense hamlet
ppl feel like if they swap to ol with the max profile sim they do the same dmg when they dont even play it and dont have the gear
cobalt pelican
people generally just follow what they see with little to no reason
so if generic sims are shared, even with a disclaimer
people will look at bar
and go
bar high = cool me do
late grove
during a fight, if I happen to shiv the boss right when a fatty add is comes in (one that doesn't need to die fast), do i finish the shiv window on the boss? or immediately dot up the add?
echo geyser
I’m not seeing any compelling reason at this very moment that people *need* to s...
if only conduit energy wasnt a thing
fleet anchor
Oh yeah forgot to mention having good Conduits too 😛
echo geyser
hopefully frost isnt still bugged on reset
dense hamlet
oh yeah
echo geyser
dense hamlet
conduits
fleet anchor
All the homies love Conduits
dense hamlet
kappa
echo geyser
maybe next patch we can buy conduit energy from blizzard store
dense hamlet
all the homies love korthia rep 
dense hamlet
yeah
that might legit be a thing
like its season 2 and they dont fix the worst shit that is in the system
echo geyser
i feel like conduit energy is just for WFR isnt it?
dense hamlet
gate keep covenants and also conduits and then what
cinder grotto
How long would it take to get renown 50 if switching covenant?
echo geyser
why else do they wanna hinder u to play optimal specs on diff encounters?
dense hamlet
why else do they wanna hinder u to play optimal specs on diff encounters?
so u cant 
cobalt pelican
blizzard are big fans of like
commitment and building a singular character who's existence is set
so they design all of their systems to encourage you to do so, without outright forcing you into 1 spec 1 covenant 1 gearset
dense hamlet
cobalt pelican
so it just feels like they're repeatedly kicking you in the balls for not agreeing with them
echo geyser
ripe saddle
bonespike bugged for 2 months now?
untold nest
Iike 2 weeks but ok
plain thistle
2-3 weeks
fleet anchor
Oh like. Also forgot to mention being timegated on R6 legendaries by Cinders too
untold nest
Since tyrannical spiteful week reset
zinc frost
Conduit energy is the dumbest shit
dense hamlet
Sbs fixed soon
summer onyx
I only have 4 dom slots right now, is the blood dps shard or frost dps shard better to have in the fourth if i have 3 unholy?
dense hamlet
if raid blood if m+ other one has higher uptime
upper wedge
Depends on boss. The Frost one if the fight has adds
ripe saddle
oops meant 2 weeks yea, jul 20th
upper wedge
Took them the whole last tier to make the dot crit. Give them a year for this one
prime narwhal
anyone know of any really sick assassin rogues that stream M+ on twitch?
harsh anchor
I only know healthy assassin rogues
ripe saddle
LOL
echo geyser
anyone know of any really sick assassin rogues that stream M+ on twitch?
Mostly Seli is the only OG assa rogue around nowadays, other swapped to sub
prime narwhal
sub rogue streamers would b sweet too
ripe saddle
junkratx2 SolGaming JPCtheman
zinc frost
Ryfie for sub keys
dusky vault
pog actually being included on that list; but I don't play assa in keys this season
ripe saddle
pog actually being included on that list; but I don't play assa in keys this sea...
yee i watch ur yt like 2-3 weeks ago when i picked up rogue 😄
red plaza
Yeah JPC went back Kyrian outlaw since his prog is done
coarse bear
venth is still definitely the play if I am doing raid mostly right?
do you think they would tune it differently tomorrow?
somber hill
Anyone got a link to the sims for the new shard changes across all specs?
all specs in game*
cobalt pelican
no
misty holly
Have sims been updated to the domination buffs yet?
cobalt pelican
no
gentle flower
no but there was a sim about it earlier
fiery mauve
lone wren
well it finally happened for me https://i.gyazo.com/90190ecf470e22def6e77de8372d2e98.png
real kettle
anyone know of any really sick assassin rogues that stream M+ on twitch?
me
jk i do sub in m+
wispy plaza
@prime narwhal we got a #rogue-streamers channel personally not playing much assa in m+ cos sub is just stupid but i test all kinds of builds normally if u ever wanan check how to be the worst rogue on your server 😄
steep obsidian
is there any min maxy stuff to do with the fusion amp trinket?
thorny pond
Stat trinkets are really it for optimization and even then it’s just line up with CDs or smack it on CD
atomic wharf
does flayed wing toxin work with any assassination mechanics or no?
vale shore
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
thorny pond
does flayed wing toxin work with any assassination mechanics or no?
Nope
ionic vault
how much better is obedience comapred to doomblade on ST?
thorny pond
Sim yourself. They are close but doom is usually edging it out
Obedience offers some defensive utility and extra CD
But frost set may cause some changes to our preferred setup
split grail
Odd...normal Edge of Night is simming lower than my heroic betrayers
thorny pond
It’s good not great for sin
split grail
I heard the lfr version would be better than mythic nathria daggers /shrug
thorny pond
For sub
split grail
Meh, I don't play sub
I guess it's still heroic goals
Wonder if it's better than a good vault dagger
thorny pond
Sim
spice spire
Back to blue, beach?
thorny pond
I did 20 netzhul pulls as sub, 2nd sin pull its dead so idk
spice spire
spice spire
Mans going across the rainbow
Yeah yeah I know, I find it funny every time you change 😛
spice spire
thorny pond
That was my face on the kill
I said I’d give it 3 pulls
But honestly it’ll come down to sylv dagger and my mental state.
kind talon
@thorny pond heroic or myhitc
thorny pond
Lfr
spice spire
Respect that. Mental fortitude has to be off the charts for 20 pulls on remnant tbh
spice spire
LFR is actually just mental training
thorny pond
We’d have done it sooner but we started prog doing the blitz strat then they changed the fight
spice spire
That was mine (heroic Andy’s) too
thorny pond
Sin is just so easy to yolo
spice spire
We got it down to like 20% first pull and was like, easy. 8 pulls later we killed
And yeah
thorny pond
Sub I have timings I need to meet
spice spire
Sub seems like it’s nuts for the fight considering the only off boss time can be mitigated with ss
spice spire
Any cleave fights? 
thorny pond
Lol
spice spire
Had to hold dps on eye multiple times 
thorny pond
But if I pop SB flag sod dance and amp and lead calls for a stop I have to
Because sub burst windows can mega fuck
spice spire
That just sounds like pain chief
thorny pond
Damn
spice spire
Have the frost set tho 
dusk void
I want frost set...but only gotten unholy/blood gems/dom gear.
thorny pond
Outlaw is kinda a dream scenario
dusk void
I want Frost/Dashing to get back to the WotLK haste/regen days
cinder grotto
As assassination do you have anything macroed together like Vanish + Vendetta?
thorny pond
Nope
dusk void
What's vanish?
thorny pond
Sin is so slow
spice spire
So few buttons not really necessary tbh. Maybe 22 total
thorny pond
Maybe
dusk void
I like blindside just for the extra button to push. It's way more fun than EP
cinder grotto
lol okay
thorny pond
I was play testing it on heroic and it’s quite fun
cinder grotto
what about aligning abilities? max dots, shiv, vendetta, vanish with 4-5 cp and go ham?
thorny pond
You just hardly ever hit vend vanish together
Like you’ll probably vend build shiv vanish
cinder grotto
Oh I thought it was good to have vendetta up and running after shiv + vanish?
yeah
I try to align this up again when vanish is off CD, not sure if it makes sense?
thorny pond
You’ll typically hit vendetta with high cp and dots refreshed, then shiv vanish env mut mut
cinder grotto
yeah thats what I aim for
cinder grotto
I've got overcharged anima battery as well so try to get that in as well
hehe true
thorny pond
You get so much leeway with shiv too in the windows it’s Uber forgiving
Like there are top 100 sin parses just scuffing their rotation
Sub that’d never happen
cinder grotto
Agree, I tend to let rup/gar run out if Im in the shiv window though. Would u refresh or refresh after? Ideally they have enough time but if they dont?
thorny pond
Refresh before and they always take prio
Like that’s inting if you let them fall off to hit 1 extra envenom
dusk void
Get a WA that shows you pandemic window, and you’ll have 6-7 extra seconds of leeway
thorny pond
Bleed uptime is basically everything for the spec
cinder grotto
Got it
dusk void
Ideally you want to refresh at the beginning of pandemic, but you never want to let your bleeds drop.
Because each pandemic window you hit is a free +6-7 seconds on your bleeds. Over the course of a fight, all that saved energy adds up
cinder grotto
I see, I have been pooling energy from time to time and just refresh with 1 sec left of pandemic
most times due to getting a big env in the shiv window
is that ok or should one really aim to refresh in the beginning all times?
dusk void
I mean if you’re in your shiv window, obviously take advantage of that.
cinder grotto
Yeah thats what I thought
dusk void
But you shouldn’t have bleeds getting close to expiration when you’re shiving
oak sky
obtuse robin
i tend to let the first rupture in the opener fall off so i can do one last ful envenom during vendetta
alot of ppl with top parses seem to do this
strange python
Does dashing frost impact windfury value
fleet anchor
Not really no
fleet anchor
That doesn’t really mean it impacts the value
It’s just a general scaler, it shouldn’t make it scale differently
Unless you are getting capped Frost is just a general damage multiplier
Whole reason Frost is good for Assassination and Outlaw is that they dodge the cap for almost everything
Which makes it more powerful but also more straightforward
obtuse robin
so no other class interacts with frost like we do?
obtuse robin
i can see sin bleeds with leggo bypassing the cap what does outlaw do
fleet anchor
Just not any extremely large hits. Mostly just BtE
SS is split into multiple hits, same as Mutilate
fleet anchor
Basically any hit over 3k
Gets capped
Kinda problematic for many specs that are built on singular large hits. (Ironically it’s total trash for Frost Mage due to this lol)
obtuse robin
also ironic that it helps sub more then sin doesnt sub do big hits
somber hill
few more hours till new sims dictate my lego crafting 🙂
sterile chasm
I am hyped for this build
cinder grotto
What changes are coming?
sterile chasm
But i dont understand rly how this frost set working
obtuse robin
koj just explained how it works
fleet anchor
I don’t think it helps Sub more?
obtuse robin
the pin in sub says so
fleet anchor
Frost only 1% higher than Blood for Sub. It’s 3% higher for Assassination
fleet anchor
That is not with an optimal build configuration
somber hill
so basically frost is good because sin's crit's (which include presumably bleed and poison tikcs) never hit like that 700damage cap or whattever it is
18% of the crit or ossmething
?
obtuse robin
koj said the dmg cap is about 3k
fleet anchor
There have been like 5 different sim iterations and people are a bit too aggressive in latching on to a moving target as we try new things considering this isn’t available yet. 🙂
somber hill
therefore allowing for more accumulation?
whatever the number is.. just asking for functionality
obtuse robin
yea
somber hill
interesting stuff
somber hill
and the relatively high crit that sin runs along w the 15% increased crit chance applied via dashing synergizes well accordingly
fleet anchor
Yes the only things that impact the value in a non-uniform way are either:
somber hill
especially since the crits are on ur poisons which "dodge" the cap
obtuse robin
i mean maybe, the sin build in that pin does seem to cross every check
fleet anchor
- Capped vs non capped abilities
obtuse robin
r5 frost more then 40 % crit right leggo
fleet anchor
- Abilities with different Crit rates
obtuse robin
idk what else u change
somber hill
very interersting will be cool to see tomorrow
fleet anchor
i mean maybe, the sin build in that pin does seem to cross every check
The sim in the pin has been updated. The conclusions not.
Just look at the numbers in the sim report
Delta between Unholy and Frost for Assassination is far higher than Sub
Sub the difference is only 100 dps, less than 1%
Assassination it’s 450 dps
sterile chasm
Frost set r5 is +450dps?
fleet anchor
I’m sure we will have updated numbers tomorrow when everything gets verified
For all we know Frost still won’t work 🙂
idle star
So how is unholy not as good? Is it getting nerfed? I got mine at rank 4 atm and its huge agi
fleet anchor
Obviously Outlaw benefits the most since they get Crit% from BtE
Not just the cap dodging
loud trench
So how is unholy not as good? Is it getting nerfed? I got mine at rank 4 atm a...
It’s not getting nerfed. Frost is just simming higher but we won’t know until tomorrow w/logs and sims
fleet anchor
Also it will depend on if Blizzard realizes at some point that the Winds hit being able to Crit is not a good idea
Since it leads to Crit% double dipping
idle star
That frost dmg bonus must be insane to beat how much agi we get from unholy
obtuse robin
in the sim its doing 14 % for sin and 20 % for outlaw
imagine this thing worked in m+
beyond broken
viral locust
Man I'm really hoping it's not that crazy lol, I just made Obedience on my cloak and got my unholy gem set.
obtuse robin
why u would just start making frost and dashing
it means u remain strong with what u have and have a path for more dps
viral locust
I just don't want to have wasted 3 weeks worth of Cinders is all. 🙂
vestal wren
1 % for sin 2.25 % for sub
thats the gain from the buff not the absolute gain
fleet anchor
imagine this thing worked in m+
Well it actually isn’t amazing for Outlaw AoE
Outlaw AoE translates off the main target via BF which doesn’t Crit itself. Would actually not scale very well in that situation. Would probably be better for Assassination in that regard.
idle star
Nice i can stick with unholy as sub then
vestal wren
vs. outlaw
sterile chasm
Its single dps?
vestal wren
yes
vestal wren
one thing worth mentioning is that nobody did look into optimizing the blood profile
so blood clould in theory be slightly higher if it benefits from a diffrent stat distribution
vestal wren
I want See it
the thing about it is you need to stack very specific stats and have frost rank 5 to get to this level
also worth mentioning is that implementation can differ from our spell data overwrites
and blizz can very easy have new bugs
velvet nacelle
ugh i'm struggling in m+, doe someone have that ryfie link handy?
zinc frost
so blood clould in theory be slightly higher if it benefits from a diffrent stat...
That’s it I’m gonna come in with that blood sleeper build
velvet nacelle
though in fairness, that was just a 13 so i couldn't really ramp on most of the add packs
vestal wren
The reality is, those changes will come online today
so best is to wait some days to get the implementation details
and people trying out what is the best choice for them
e.g. i know a lot of ppl in #subtlety did sim higher with blood even tho the tier profile
with slightly optimized gear got slightly higher on frost
zinc frost
ugh i'm struggling in m+, doe someone have that ryfie link handy?
You in ryfies discord? He’s got a mythic plus guide in there
lone wren
The reality is, those changes will come online today
thank you for all the info
tawdry sparrow
@vestal wren what legendary was used in the sin-frost build? Dashing?
vestal wren
the sim is pinned in #subtlety, so if you go into the report you can look at gear.
But yes it was dashing
tawdry sparrow
ThankS
naive obsidian
So, is anyone else still suffering every week with torghast?
It's just so bad in there as a rogue
lethal zodiac
Soo I have to craft a New legendary and also lvl my forst gems?
tawdry sparrow
Thats what it looks like yeah
naive obsidian
i'm unlocking stuff slowly, only doing my 2 weekly runs, so far i did my runs with guildies so it was easier, this week i'm doing them alone, and it feels impossible to clear
Especially with the "Reinforced: Unstoppable" torment
tawdry sparrow
Just do thorgast with a group untill u unluck more in the box and gain more gear, layer 12 is supposed to be hard. Hope they dont nerf it..
obtuse robin
once u get blessings 5/5 and th reduced torments it becomes a joke
naive obsidian
Yeah, probably will be easier in a few weeks, i just wish they could have added some interesting animas for rogue, it has always been the most boring inside torghast
sterile chasm
Ita funny when You do IT as assa with Dh We deal 10k aoe he deal 50k aoe all time 🤣
obtuse robin
if nf was still good 50k aoe is nothing
naive obsidian
Yeah, it gets slightly better at floor 5, or in adamant vaults, but until then its just painful
tawdry sparrow
Within 3 weeks nobody is gonna talk about it..
Were gonna be upgrading all shards anyways at some point..
safe barn
well
how much stygia u got left
cus i got none
and pilling it up one by one is kinda slow
safe barn
upgrading shards (?)
rocky pecan
Stygian ember
misty holly
It's going to be February (or later) before we get 9.2. In the long run I think it's more fun that all shards are closer to each other in balance rather than everyone from every class just using unholy. Happy they did the buffs.
Plus, frost shard has better secondary stats. It's also just better for us if that is also the best dps set.
obtuse robin
it also has a def aspect to it
left loom
is anyone calulcated what is the % dps upgrade on both bonus set just approx to non bonus gear
regarding shards
terse talon
cant understand the logic, outlaw is simming higher in both raid and m+
pliant nest
so the sims in the sub channel show that sin only gains 1% from the frost bonus buff. Shouldnt it be a lot more considering the bonus gets like +40%?
strange python
is zoldyck impactful for dungeons or kinda useless? I have better stat items and I saw many people playing with doomblade so would it be better for me go for more stats + 262 doomblade?
zinc frost
is zoldyck impactful for dungeons or kinda useless? I have better stat items and...
Zoldyck is pretty much BIS for mythic plus. You can get away with doomblade in tyrannical PF and ToP but pretty much any other key and fortified weeks will be Zoldyck or obedience if you prefer that playstyle as venthyr
late birch
when does NA open vaults ? would like to start feeling jealous
fallen arch
Zoldyck is pretty much BIS for mythic plus. You can get away with doomblade in t...
Fort top as well, lots of st minibosses
But I’d aways take zoldyck over db for any key tbh
Packs too important not to take Zoldyck
cerulean nest
on vacation for a week and suddenly we're frost shard boys? what's going on
arctic walrus
They Buffed it by 45% unholy was untouched
sterile chasm
Unholy is still good
pseudo hamlet
Do higher level shards give better set bonus? I thought the bonus is kinda... stationary
ornate lake
Do higher level shards give better set bonus? I thought the bonus is kinda... st...
The bonus of set is based on lowest level of your shard of that set. So upgrade them together, not 1 max than the other max.
unkempt pilot
Depend of team, like if elem + moonkin, just run full ST and crush each bolster / anima / boss
pseudo hamlet
The bonus of set is based on lowest level of your shard of that set. So upgrade ...
thanks, didnt know that
ornate lake
digital zodiac
Have you guys been upgrading m+ items with valor? unsure if I should wait for later or just upgrade some pieces...
arctic walrus
Wait for what
digital zodiac
wait for a phial or something 😄
arctic walrus
Well you only need like 1400 valor for a 236 phial
And what cap is like 3k ish rn?
digital zodiac
3k yeah
arctic walrus
So you have some wiggle room
digital zodiac
i mean its prob worth upgrading Arachnid ring with a socket to 246
arctic walrus
Is that the pf one
verbal mantle
then wait for the reset first since it's today for US and tomorrow for EU
digital zodiac
Yee, crit haste
arctic walrus
Ya that’s fine, it’s cheap as well only 250 per
And again, you got 1600 to play with so just if you have a piece you think won’t get replaced anytime soon
digital zodiac
cool, ty lads
solid mica
Is frost bis for us now as well?
south belfry
delicate smelt
We will see tommorow
solid mica
Aight, multispeccing and havent upgraded shards yet
vestal wren
We will see tommorow
na reset is today
hushed timber
Anyone know if Doomblade 5% dmg procs with bleeds from trinkets like Fine Razorwing Quill?
ashen creek
Reppin the superior rogue spec 🙂 assa keys fun as hell
frozen jasper
Reppin the superior rogue spec 🙂 assa keys fun as hell
sick
real bay
yeet
ashen creek
I feel like as venthyr its genuinely competitive if not better than outlaw for certain dungeons. Havent tested quite enough sub yet outside of DoS / NW
real bay
Blizz should rework poisoned katar to a mini-eb. because EB was amazinga
frozen jasper
I feel like as venthyr its genuinely competitive if not better than outlaw for c...
i played venth for the start of the patch but switched back to necro last week, maybe its placebo but i think i do a lot more overall with necro than with venth even with the sbs bug
hushed timber
sbs?
ashen creek
i played venth for the start of the patch but switched back to necro last week, ...
Im gonna swap back to necro for soulrender prog whenever we get there in the next week or two and test out the differences. I've been playing obidience for both assa and sub over zoldycks / finality and I feel like I do way more damage. I think the 1 min burst profile is just realllly strong.
That may just be though because I'm lacking mastery for both gear sets, zoldycks and finality scale a ton with mast
frozen jasper
Im gonna swap back to necro for soulrender prog whenever we get there in the nex...
actually for raiding, i think venth is slightly better. I mostly played zold with venth in keys but tested out OB and it was for sure fun but i thought i was doing more overall with zold too. Though the 1 min cd obedience is kinda nuts for prio dmg.
pure st raid fights that is ^^
ashen creek
I honestly love that we have multiple viable covenants for different builds and damage profiles.Probably gonna swap between the two quite a bit, not much of a hassle when you keep em caught up on renown. Might even try out the kyiran meme dream for outlaw / sub.
Definitely beats us going nightfae for the soulbinds for half of last patch lmao
fallen arch
I feel like as venthyr its genuinely competitive if not better than outlaw for c...
Why just as venthyr tho?
As necro without bug its just as good, maybe even better
And its tons more fun then lame press and forget flag 😄
ashen creek
Why just as venthyr tho?
I meant in comparison to venthyr outlaw while playing that covenant
fallen arch
Oh ye
ashen creek
necro assa fun as hell too
steel ridge
Reppin the superior rogue spec 🙂 assa keys fun as hell
no idea how you make that work, i feel like a cripple when playing assa in dungeons
half quarry
why?
steel ridge
CP generation with FoK is wonky, AA Range is short
i catch myself standing in shit more often since i need to tabtarget the mobs
its alot harder to be effective with i guess, and i am a mediocre player
half quarry
how much crit u ahve?
steel ridge
too little, big versa gear
and my loot from SoD has been pretty much non existent so far...
since theres alot of crit on those pieces
half quarry
thats the first issue
limber lion
Stats don't really matter too too much.
It makes it smoother sure but it's still kinda whatever.
steel ridge
practice is a big thing for sure, its a totally different gig
exclusively played keys as assa in 8.3, but SS and EB did help
limber lion
Definitely a different kind of beast back then
hushed timber
Is there a 239 conduit upgrade thingy or can I start using the 252 ones I have when all conduits is 226+?
limber lion
Just use the 252 one.
rocky rain
Can someone help me figure out why this is only a green log? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BVrQ9mhqLaT4FNG2#fight=44&type=damage-done Even green for ilvl. Uptimes/CP usage looks okay to me and wowanalyzer doesn't really find much wrong.
limber lion
But if you wanna maximize your chances, you should try to get as many conduits at 252 first before using em
So they're not wasted.
limber lion
Can someone help me figure out why this is only a green log? https://www.warcra...
First of all, ilvl parse is very irrelevant and a bad metric. Secondly, don't use Wowanalyzer. It's awful and that's why there's a disclaimer on the site when analyzing assa logs.
I'm camping so I can't do a log review now unfortunately.
rocky rain
I looked myself first and couldnt figure it out. I have shitty weapons and no shards - so it could just be gear
limber lion
Definitely
rocky rain
I guess ilvl parse is even worse than usual this tier.
limber lion
That's why you don't look at ilvl parses
fallow glacier
I mean, straight away you used flag after first rupture
limber lion
People at your ilvl can have a full set
ashen creek
Assa keys are just a lot of practice and a good plater profile. Also it doesn't feel good at all until you get to higher keys where big trash pulls live long enough to fully ramp and sustain.
limber lion
Whilst you have nothing.
rocky rain
I'll rephrase. it could just be gear
ashen creek
I would save 252 conduit upgrades until you at least have all the 239s out of heroic
rocky rain
I mean, straight away you used flag after first rupture
Yeah I think I slightly messed up the order in a couple of places - but is that enough to drop it to green?
fallow glacier
Haven’t looked deep enough, but could be happening throughout which would result in much less flag stacks than usual
steel ridge
Assa keys are just a lot of practice and a good plater profile. Also it doesn't ...
yeah i can imagine, if you get everything rolling on big mobs
rocky rain
I usually get 20-22ish
I think thats about expected for sin?
Actually it does look like I butchered flag pretty badly that fight
shell wigeon
which is better on keys doomblade or ma? im kyr and dont have zoldycks
rocky rain
ty I'll look into it
fallen arch
which is better on keys doomblade or ma? im kyr and dont have zoldycks
Ma
But I recommend making zoldyck
vast forum
which is better on keys doomblade or ma? im kyr and dont have zoldycks
My guy, the best legendary for a kyrian assa rogue is the "change specialisation" button
shell wigeon
i usually play outlaw, just started to get back to assa in 9.1 for raiding and wanted to try it on keys
im not doing horrible, altho im changing to necro next reset
since reprimand is boring asf and kinda useless
fallow glacier
Actually it does look like I butchered flag pretty badly that fight
What weak said, should be able to flag on Cooldown for guardian, was there some reason you were holding?
rocky rain
Probably running out for mechanics but ill take a look
hmm maybe just a little slow
interesting
fallen arch
That usually happens max. once or twice
Having to run out on Guardian
And it should be super quick, max 2-3 sec downtime
half quarry
i do decent on 15s 😄
rocky rain
Ok the second one is held for like 10s after coming back from a mechanic. Not sure why - but seems a mistake. The other three are pretty much as soon as they come off CD
Well - building up to max CP and then flag
Which I think is correct?
half quarry
o mb i missread that XD
warm parcel
And your flag should to to 10s insta like it does with the second cast in the graph above
Only opener wasnt cause as you said you forgot or sth
rocky rain
Yeah opener is oofd right after finisher instead of right before
I spent some dummy time after and fixed that already though
warm parcel
4 finishers should be possible as long as you dont go into the later flags dry eother
Nice
rocky rain
The others are all at max CP though I think?
rocky rain
They go straight to 10 stacks - which means I'm using a finisher straight away?
I think thats how it works 😄
Flag 3 only has 2 finishers. Should I be pooling before?
My guess is that's not enough energy for another finisher
shell cloud
Is there any option to sim yourself after shard buffs?
warm parcel
Yes the point was that its good that the rest got straight to a finisher
But after that you slow down getting more stacks
fallow glacier
You should be looking for envenoms anyway, so it should naturally pool for flag
warm parcel
Which tells me from the pic above youre not ready for flag
rocky rain
Yeah it looks like I'm going into them with no energy
warm parcel
warm parcel
I mean it is only 2 finishers
warm parcel
Yes yes but if youre not casting more during the flag timer youre def going in with not enough of a pool
rocky rain
You should be looking for envenoms anyway, so it should naturally pool for flag
Wait what does this mean? I thought rupture was fine inside flag?
warm parcel
And looking at your energy, you were at 95 when you cast flag
And you were this close to getting another finisher inside flag
Also looping all the way back to parses and why they dont matter
Sets this tier
Missing out on enh shaman
Kill times
All that jargon
fallow glacier
Wait what does this mean? I thought rupture was fine inside flag?
Sorry, pooling autocorrect to looking
rocky rain
ah ok
rocky rain
Also looping all the way back to parses and why they dont matter
Yeah I get that. If I'm still green once I run out of things to fix I'll accept it and wait for loot RNG to change it's mind. I'm pretty sure I should be able to get above green with my gear / comp etc. though.
So on pooling and CDs. Flag - we pool at max CP before hitting it. Shiv we insta hit it whatever energy? Or also pool?
I may have taken the "hit shiv on CD" thing too literally
warm parcel
Thing is you dont wanna delay shiv or flag no
Its the normal dry envenoms you can
Practical example
fallow glacier
No, just slam it, pooling for envenom should result in having energy before shiv anyway
rocky rain
ok
warm parcel
You could have likely rearranged these spells better
Given your flag cools off at 97s
rocky rain
so pooling for envenom - pool all the way? or just until envenom buff drops?
warm parcel
To both not delay it and gain more value out of it
fallow glacier
Envenom buff fairly negligible, just pool to roughly 80% energy
rocky rain
To both not delay it and gain more value out of it
Is there a way to see exactly when spells come off CD?
Or did you just maffs?
warm parcel
this is an example of just chillin before shiv
Im just afking there waiting for shiv to cool off
rocky rain
ok
warm parcel
flag example
rocky rain
and you're trying to land on max CPs a few seconds before
rocky rain
yeah i mean
warm parcel
yes
rocky rain
"max" 😛
warm parcel
that :D
warm parcel
final example showing both
rocky rain
I think I just need to get better at planing out like
warm parcel
Its something that will become second nature given you play enough and dont just wing it
rocky rain
"okay flag CD is 15s so like 3 more finishers" or just whatever it is
rocky rain
Thats still getting me atm as well. I guess thats rupture -> shiv?
so we refresh rupture on 6s
with 1s of shiv CD to go
warm parcel
Well
rocky rain
but trying to plan all of that with energy is still pretty new to me
warm parcel
If I saw shiv at 9s off cd and knew I had to rupture soon
Id 99% not try to envenom anymore no matter what my cp/energy is atm
If Im not at finisher range yet
I get there
Then I chill see where regen gets me
If I were to overcap I might throw out the rup and mut before shiv cools
Just so I dont waste resources
rocky rain
I try to do that and misjudge it, and then energy caps and I end up dumping everything right before
But I get what you're saying I'm supposed to do 😄
Will practise some more
I feel like I need to at least be able to do well on guardians before I worry about the other fights
whole mason
Somehow I think it is quite vague to learn decision making here. Practice with pool before env would give you much better understanding about all these decision making.
warm parcel
It is
rocky rain
No it's okay. I already pool before envenom. I'm literally trying to clear up some specifics
warm parcel
As I said earlier, it will come down as second nature given you just play
rocky rain
So I can focus on them
warm parcel
And youll get the feel for it
rocky rain
Yeah this was helpful. I get it, ty
whole mason
If it is already past the pooling tech, personally I think next thing for sin is to learn try not to be perfect but logical. For the example of rupture and shiv thing, instead of thinking what should be the perfect casts, knowing energy is needed in shiv makes it naturally rapture before shiv, and then you will look into details with another logic like rapture can be refreshed later so you can pool before actually rapture. This continues with all the sequences of casts, which is nevertheless quite difficult from one perfect thinking at the beginning. Some specific ground rules will help you now, but there is always space for further improvement.
sterile chasm
What first talent You play on m+ guys? With zoldyck
fallen arch
What first talent You play on m+ guys? With zoldyck
Elaborate Planning
fallen arch
or both? xD
Neither
I think in both scenarios phial and amplifier is best
But shadowgrasp is close enough
whole mason
Unless you can get mythic amplifier, shadowgrasp is kind of bis I think
tacit wedge
EP is always the correct move in m+
bright elk
Do you guys ever ignore sims and go with consensus? Like if MA sims better but most people say Zoldyk is better for M+
shut garnet
dgslice sims are very sketchy
i would not recommend taking it too seriously, if you wanna know stuff about assarogue keys u should watch seliathan’s vods/livestreams ^^
bleak sky
im not doing horrible, altho im changing to necro next reset
necro is still bugged, you might want to hold that thought
bleak sky
Do you guys ever ignore sims and go with consensus? Like if MA sims better but m...
or just play obedience because it feels good
strange python
Hey guys is crimpson t useful in dungeon 15+ because i feel poison bomb aint enough
sacred isle
Hey guys is crimpson t useful in dungeon 15+ because i feel poison bomb aint eno...
Have you read guides or #assassination-faq ?
Ct is generally the best talent for m+
strange python
I did but still can't understand it sometimes it work sometimes not may i fail the rotation of
sacred isle
What doesn’t work?
strange python
As necro i use insignia leggy for m+ cause of the bleeds
I hvae try also doom with poiso bomb and i aint see big difference
plain thistle
CT with zoldick for DGs
uneven summit
Did the muricans get up yet and test dashing :D
ornate lake
Nothing in pins yet
fading mason
Their reset is in 2 hours I think
wet pasture
Guys p3 sylvanas, if you cloak beforehand you can't pick up pools right?
i mean if cloak is active
scenic kelp
im back to assa. someone have a opener for me? 😄
upper wedge
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
halcyon crypt
so kyrian is the way my guys?
upper wedge
as sin? no
limber lion
Definitely not.
lavish isle
is sin stronger than sub for single target?
lavish isle
well i got everything for sub 234 ilvl and thinking about switch to assa
limber lion
Sub does more in st, stats don't really matter.
strange python
Hey guys, how do you "pool" on ST? How much energy should I store before shiv?
gloomy rose
I just dont spend energy outside shiv windows 
strong cipher
As we saw now sub got better sim (patchwork/dungeon slice) but does assa scale with gear later on ?
I mean better than other rogue spec
real bay
those sims are done with the best gear
vast forum
And next patch scaling doesn't matter at all, because we should be getting tier sets and those could turn class balance upside down
umbral rapids
lol
safe patrol
I see one of the always top parse guys are shiv->vanish>mut>envenom. thought it was build to max -1 cp, shiv>vansish>envenom>mut> envenom. because of assassin talent? in the opener. what am I missing?
frigid sleet
vanish asap after shiv, there's not much diff between envenom, mut, envenom & mut envenom mut
pale plank
Vanish>mutilate? I have been doing vanish>ambush, so am I doing it wrong?
safe patrol
aaa okey
limber lion
Vanish>mutilate? I have been doing vanish>ambush, so am I doing it wrong?
Never use Ambush
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
safe patrol
was doing Ceverion hc logs as homework hahah
limber lion
I see one of the always top parse guys are shiv->vanish>mut>envenom. thought it ...
Shiv-vanish-muti is generally the better choice for the opener to not desync vanish/vendetta too much. MA allows you to get more combo points from Muti crits, which translates to more finishers and generally more damage.
But it's really minmaxy and it's not too big of a deal honestly.
rapid prism
Does vendetta increase the damage of trinkets? Specifically shadograsp totem from DoS
limber lion
No it does not.
rapid prism
Ty
alpine latch
Vendetta doesn't, but in theory IQD might because Shadowgrasp is hasted.
fervent rune
So it’s not important to hit shiv with 3-4 cp?
strange python
Is so'leash trinket (secret technique) worth wearing it ? Or should i be back back to phial from plague trinket?
fallow glacier
So it’s not important to hit shiv with 3-4 cp?
Just hit it on cooldown
fervent rune
Just hit it on cooldown
But pool some energy beforehand still right?
real bay
energy + cp's so youre ready to blast
thorny pond
Vendetta doesn't, but in theory IQD might because Shadowgrasp is hasted.
There won’t be overlap, 2 on use
alpine latch
Derp, right.
I forgot about the internal CD. I haven't used double on-use in a while
fallow glacier
But pool some energy beforehand still right?
You should be pooling for envenoms anyway
So yes, have energy before it comes off cooldown
fervent rune
Ty
jaunty kayak
blood set vs frost set ? (dont have head for uh set >.<)
spice spire
blood set vs frost set ? (dont have head for uh set >.<)
This is normally where you’d hear sim it but 
somber hill
soon tm
spice spire
Give it a little bit of time and I’m sure we’ll have an answer. Or have it live on raidbots either way 
strange python
Any1 suggest of wht trinket to use for m+?
Id use soul cage fragment cause of mastery for bleeds
polar ice
i like phial & decanter
limber swallow
I run phial + iqd, but I'd run totem if I had it
bleak sky
I run phial + iqd as well
dull osprey
If I merked KT, is there a chance at Sylv items in cache?
strange python
I have phial atm buts 220 and last time i try get it i was about 20+ times in plag 😂 still from previews patch
bleak sky
If I merked KT, is there a chance at Sylv items in cache?
have you ever killed sylv?
dull osprey
No :/
bleak sky
So no
dull osprey
bleak sky
papa bless your vaults
strange python
I will pray tonight for edge of night
limber swallow
the only thing I want in my vault is a fix for bone spike....
uneven hamlet
praying to get no rings cause I spent my valor yesterday on it without thinking theres chest today
scenic kelp
why are so many ppl in logs like ~50% necro when venth simming better? 😄
uneven hamlet
why are so many ppl in logs like ~50% necro when venth simming better? 😄
necro is better overall
narrow minnow
not everyone loves tea parties
limber swallow
lol
fallen arch
I mean, I still want a dagger
delicate smelt
i will take every damn dagger
strange python
I got mists before 1 week aint drop after 15+ tries and drop on vault
red atlas
If i play sin and sub in raids should i craft obedience as my first 262?
granite thistle
Probably
bleak sky
extended til 9 
steel bane
would you guys take H Sylvanas dagger over everything in the vault?
granite thistle
Yes
bleak sky
would you guys take H Sylvanas dagger over everything in the vault?
if it sims better sure
strange python
Some people keep saying thats sylv dagger aint that good and for makes mote value u need 2
tribal shuttle
It will for most of us
strange python
More*
tribal shuttle
Some people keep saying thats sylv dagger aint that good and for makes mote valu...
On an m + the normal dagger does 3~4 % overall. A single dagger
delicate smelt
do i need to kill her on HC for vault chance?
bleak sky
yes
strange python
Ye but if u have x2 sylv dagger does it stack?
bleak sky
friendly reminder to wait to grab your vault items
wait til raidbots is updated so you can sim the new shit
tribal shuttle
I mean 252 m+ dagger
burnt star
What new shit is there though beside frost fix change?
bleak sky
What new shit is there though beside frost fix change?
frost changes, blood changes (who knows)
burnt star
Ya. So no reason to wait for me
bleak sky
Are you maxed out on gear?
burnt star
I already simmed the change coming. And id need rank 5 to beat my rank 4 unholy
And also cant even craft 262 dashing yet
lone wren
hey guys i see in one of the pins it says that we need to use overrides in raidbots to sim set bonuses properly etc, does anyone know of a guide on how to do that properly so i can sim my character correctly?
burnt star
if you want to sim it put this in advanced sim and your gear profile below or use Expert Mode.
#Frost Set Bonus
override.spell_data=effect.889057.coefficient=10.7982515
#Blood Set Bonus
override.spell_data=effect.889131.coefficient=26.809454
Subt pin
lone wren
oh thank you very much
burnt star
To access expert mode. U simply check it
And in the header section. Uncopy pasta the thing above
sudden canyon
prisma monolithBOT
Expert mode allowes you to use custom apl parmeters.
You can toggle it with a checkmark under custom apl.
Video on how to activate/use it: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/871024892814979082/2021-07-31_15-41-07.mp4
vestal wren
there we go, works
vestal wren
i never used it, just wanted to test if it works
added it the oder day, but also thought it might not be very usefull
because once the changes are live its relatively useless
burnt star
Ya
rapid prism
Ye but if u have x2 sylv dagger does it stack?
the sylvanas dagger stacks but i lose about 100dps in ST sims having two of them, vs a 252 dagger in MH and 246 syl dagger in OH
rocky pecan
Cauz sin
bleak sun
Get 2 EON 259 so 💯
vestal wren
sylvanas daggers are not super crazy for sin
rocky pecan
Dagger aren't that big for sin
vestal wren
so itemlevel is relevant
rocky pecan
Stats tho prolly if you got good Stat on your dagger
fervent rune
👀 we have sims yet haha
strange python
Instead of dominas dagger i would prefer 1 more mists or sylv from vault
gentle flower
lol just woke up so is everyone going combat now or what
fallen arch
Os this wow classic chat?
gentle flower
outlaw * lol
delicate smelt
lol just woke up so is everyone going combat now or what
please, no...
i love my pirate for everything except the PvE
real bay
thats a no chief
alpine garden
I'm never going combat 
fleet atlas
Does shadowmeld give you the master assassin talent proc?
delicate smelt
I'm never going combat <:grr:765214874241990667>
i really love the mobility of Outlaw
I just cant live with RtB
icy fjord
The APM is high is combat. My boomer hands get tired sometimes -_-
harsh anchor
Play with CTO conduit as sin 
icy fjord
err Outlaw*
delicate smelt
If your rolls are good you feel like a god otherwise its meh.
gentle flower
isnt it more of a dps increase to use roll the bones on cd
lone wren
there we go, works
thank you
gentle flower
someone said that before idr who
cedar crater
Hey, do you all spec into outlaw for M+, or do you just stay sin?
bleak sky
Hey, do you all spec into outlaw for M+, or do you just stay sin?
stay as sin
it's fun
ruby oyster
i play sin
shut flame
delicate smelt
i cant get to any M+ as sin
bleak sky
i cant get to any M+ as sin
how's your io?
ruby oyster
unless they want to kick me lol
fallow glacier
i cant get to any M+ as sin
Run into dungeon as outlaw, change on the countdown timer
bleak sky
I'm pretty sure everyone has the rio addon still
rocky rain
Do we not hold vendetta/ vanish for shiv?
Actually I wonder if that was parried. It looks like theres a shiv missing
shut flame
slam shiv on cd