do not say that
#assassination
hollow river
obtuse robin
bro lol
hollow river
ever
obtuse robin
xd
hollow river
obtuse robin
i thought i was done with pf after i got phial now im back in there tryna get the crit haste ring
south belfry
My first 2 weekly chests had 252 rings 
And for 3rd had to take 239 helm for domination set
hollow river
yeah vault is basically troll right now
probably will be all tier
for those of us who will take all tier to clear mythic
fallen arch
i thought i was done with pf after i got phial now im back in there tryna get th...
At least al members of thr group can trade you that
south belfry
2 previous weeks from raid were completely garbage so i guess it evens out
First week got 239 boots
Second week same boots again
4 items this week
fallen arch
Second week same boots again
Here I’m waiting 4 weeks already for dom boots
south belfry
Got traded amplifier and got kt shoulders, eye hands and 239 wep from nerzhul
Replaced my 220 dagger lol
Hoping for sylv dagger from vault
obtuse robin
i had 252 dagger and edge of night week one in vault
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kind talon
i had 252 dagger and edge of night week one in vault
I hope you took edge
rocky pecan
252 dagger lol
obtuse robin
no the 252 dagger was 200 dps more
edgy pawn
crystal stag
good thing i spent all my cinders on a 262 Doomblade 10 hours ago 🙃
signal brook
is the crit dashing scoundrel with frost set becoming bis?
south belfry
zinc frost
is the crit dashing scoundrel with frost set becoming bis?
Possibly! Just gotta wait for the sims to come out.
shrewd flume
is probably gonna be bis, but with more gear i suppose
past jolt
Is the domination set bonus stronger with higher level gem than a lower level gem ? Or the level of the gem only influence the bonus of the gem itself ?
hollow river
Is the domination set bonus stronger with higher level gem than a lower level ge...
it influences the bonuses as well.
pearl jungle
Hello guys..
Witch lego is the best for assa on raid?
ornate dawn
Who the fuck even knows anymore they will change something next week 😂
hollow river
Hello guys..
Witch lego is the best for assa on raid?
yeah we're kind of in a weird spot atm waiting for shard buffs next week before new sims.
strange python
Is the domination set bonus stronger with higher level gem than a lower level ge...
the bonus depends on your lowest gem of the set
hollow river
i think he means the % they scale per rank
hollow river
Can I find the stay of that enhanced bonus somewhere ?
you can sim the different ranks of shards, thats all i know of.
past jolt
Thanks
gusty adder
how much of an dpsincrease are the non-setbonus dom-sockets btw? Im considering making a 246 PvP chest for the ilvl and stats - but can't really figure out how to properly sim it, seeing I dont have a dom-socket chest
gloomy rose
I was thinking the same if its not worth getting 252 from m+ over one off set dom socket
considering some mythic loot with good stats is a long way to go for our guild
gusty adder
actually figured out how to sim it
simmed with foreboding bek and cor on the two chestpieces from heroic counter to the unchained gladiators vest at 246
seems like its not worht
for me at least
granted Ill get the chestpiece lol
made a mistake on one of the chestpieces with 233 instead of 239 with the foreboding cor tho, disregard that
hollow river
how much of an dpsincrease are the non-setbonus dom-sockets btw? Im considering ...
You can sim stuff you don’t have in gear compare
silent fossil
@balmy condor what are the chances losing the armor bonus is worth a 2nd gem bonus with the buff 
tawdry sparrow
i am wondering the same @signal brook
wondering, is the sin faq up to date according to the shards? or are we rolling frost now?
vestal wren
we don't have official numbers, hence all sims are based on assumptions
hollow river
Gonna be a busy week for all of you, eh fuu?
tawdry sparrow
oh well, i am only missing one frost shard atm, so gues i'll keep al my cinders and embers from now on
vestal wren
Gonna be a busy week for all of you, eh fuu?
its mostly about re-simming stuff
and potentially optimizing gear/soulbinds
i don't think we have a lot of apl changes to double check, but i could be wrong
hollow river
Yeah ik
Still a decent amount of sims tho
Can I run multiple sims at the same time?
I think you can but idr
potent dagger
@limber lion i don't understand why using flag before vendetta and not right after on opening sequence
grizzled egret
yo guys is it true that the frost set will be better than the unholy next week ?
for assass
placid cobalt
i just waited till they confirmed no nerfs to sink all my embers into unholy and now this happens.... i cba this game anymore
full tide
Frost + DS is still very gimicky
and like it was initially stated, it requires more more and more specific gear to perform
you're fine being unholy now
and you get the embers quite quickly
don't worry mate
placid cobalt
It's beyond the point wether it's bis or not. this is wrong conceptually and all it tells players is your time is worth jackshit
full tide
Oh trust me I'm tilted too
placid cobalt
u spend 1 morth worth of shards? too bad we buff it now cos the last 8 months weren't enough to test things internally
full tide
I want to play Necro but the SBS bugs make it unfun for me to play :/
full tide
The numbers don't ruin it for me, like with you and the set
it's the fact that I press it and it pisses me off that it doesn't work properly
placid cobalt
the fact is, they literally spit on you for playing the game and investing your time. If the valued our efforts at all, at the very least there'd be a shard refound attached to this
this is true regardless of what sets end up being bis
imagine 2 days ago they actually went out and said no nerfs, they could have said this there and then no? most people upgraded then, and now this
apologies for the rant im just approaching the point where i cba all this anymore
steep obsidian
if you upgraded your unholy gems you really didn't even lose anything did you?
its still better in almost every situation right?
placid cobalt
maybe it is, maybe it isn't, youre missing the point im trying to make
cyan zinc
technically no, but realistically frost has a tiny edge in high crit sims so of course now you jump on the frost wagon
raven vapor
Thing is by the unholy set not being nerfed it should of been obvious that the blood/frost would be buffed to be on a similar level
steep obsidian
i guess if you get procs at a bad time unholy can be bad
cyan zinc
i guess if you get procs at a bad time unholy can be bad
should have
full tide
Also
Back when the expansion launched, everyone was waiting to craft legendaries to see what tuning happened after RWF
That's kinda what's happened here
placid cobalt
regardless of what ends up being bis, this is downright disgusting. Having to buff a set by nearly 50% speaks lenghts of how bad they work and implement stuff. I cant believe people defending this crap on the basis of "but unholy is still bis". It doesnt matter, for some class/spec combination it wont be and it's just unfar that people spent time gated resources they wont get back due to blizzard incompetence, period.
@full tide yeah but they did confirm no nerfs 2 days ago as a matter of fact
cyan zinc
well nothing has been nerfed but they specifically said more tuning might come
and thats exactly what happened
full tide
I've not been fortunate to get a headpiece yet
but I have shoulders so I can make frost set
I held off on upgrading to wait for tuning
cyan zinc
people were playing frost/blood for the world first because thats what they had access to and it was enough
i dont see how having upgraded unholy will be detrimental to you in any way
by the end of the patch when padding happens youll have them all upgraded
gentle gyro
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oAwLbrX2BrvRXmAiKiqG4v
finally got the unholy set, real gaming hours
cyan zinc
unless you quit before then because you clearly get upset at the smallest things imaginable
open reef
When sims will suppose to be up ?
gentle gyro
I've not been fortunate to get a headpiece yet
same, just killed fatescribe, got nothing, was ready to leave in disappointment, and then the dh rolled off his headpiece cause he already had one
placid cobalt
literally all issues would have been avoided by them refounding shards, or giving an heads up. But they didn't, cos they don't care. Thats the issue, regardless of what ends up being bis
now come and tell me this was handled properly, go ahead
cyan zinc
they did give a headsup, its literally in the bluepost
We may make further adjustments in the coming days, but we will not reduce the power of Shards now that many players have earned and upgraded them.
how is that not a heads up?
what else do you need to not get angry over marginal dps differences in a video game
placid cobalt
yeah, so that blue post came out yesterday. U think they didn't know what they were gonna do then? "might make some adjustments" translated into a nearly 50% (FIFTY) within less than 24 hours
that could have been 1 whole post, saying no nerfs and explaining buffs, and it would have been fine
young nacelle
also imagine getting this upset about it when youre gonna end up maxing out all shards anyway 
radiant fossil
Because people wants what's best for their character. Doesnt matter what content. We have the right to be frustrated over things like that.
willow eagle
If you make ember acquisition easier then you can be more flexible with swapping gems
young nacelle
theres no still point in getting upset, bc its been said 100 times, the frost gem set + dashing is niche as fuck
placid cobalt
no the issue is the playerbase defending the company where they clearly are in an undefendable position. This caused issues and drawback for so many people and could literally have been avoided by better communication, or you know, actually testing stuff on ptr.
young nacelle
i was upset for like 2 seconds, bc i ALSO upgraded all my unholy shards but like who cares
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> what are the chances losing the armor bonus is worth a 2nd...
can't have 2 set bonuses even if you broke your armor bonus
placid cobalt
all they needed to do was to explain the extent of the buffs yesterday, or hold off saying there'd be no nerfs till today
literally that would have been it
cyan zinc
What are the issues and drawbacks? that people who werent lucky enough to get unholy are now being considered? your unholy set isnt 50% or more ahead of the alternatives?
young nacelle
yeah like, i literally just got my unholy bonus THIS WEEK, and as soon as they said no nerfs, i said ok bet
cyan zinc
all they needed to do was to explain the extent of the buffs yesterday, or hold ...
if you couldnt deduce the magnitude of the discrepancy based on a FIFTY percent nerf, im not sure what to say
placid cobalt
@cyan zinc whatever man, you're right, blizz did everything good here, no issues, i guess fanboys will be fanboys. If you cannot understand how wasting a timegated currency is an issue, ive really nothing more to say to you
young nacelle
it isnt gonna make or break your progression raiding, gamers. relax
radiant fossil
The issue is i had all frost and blood since one week but i waited to drop all uh to upgrade them because it was the optimal things. One day later they buff others set and uh is maybe not the bst choice now
Thats why im kinda angry 
placid cobalt
imagine u save enough soul ash to make rank 6 legendary, i tell you it's ok it wont get nerfed, u craft it and next day i buff another legendary by 50%. But u see no issue there right?
slim jay
cyan zinc
<@!71653084618555392> whatever man, you're right, blizz did everything good her...
im not saying blizzards course of action was flawless, im saying you didnt waste your precious currency just because unholy isnt 50% ahead anymore
placid cobalt
again, youre not seeing my point. it's not about me. its not about which set is bis. Afaik unholy might still be bis, and im pissed anyway because their way of handling things is dirsrespecful to people investing time into the game. but it's clear you don't see that so let's leave it
slim jay
As long as frost doesnt get miles ahead of unholy its not a big deal
young nacelle
^^^^^^
young nacelle
p sure they even said the buffs were to make everything more on par with each other.
so yeah maybe frost ends up being BARELY better but are you really gonna throw a shit fit over 50 dps? like come on
placid cobalt
they could have literally waited one more day before saying there'd be no nerfs, and make one unique post with the buffs included, to give people some transparency in the choice. It would have literally be that simple.
slim jay
Ill know what to craft depending on if i finally get my helm in my weekly cache 
young nacelle
i mean tbf, they didnt say no changes at all. they just said no nerfs
placid cobalt
that's if you really think that they didn't know the extent of the buffs 24 hours ago which is beyond naive. They knew and didnt care, it's that simple
young nacelle
so if youre a doof, like most of us who immediately upgraded our unholy gems, then thats literally just on us lmfao
it aint that deep
placid cobalt
yeah but "there might be further tuning" is different than a 50% flat buff less than 24 hours later cmon, have a bit of intellectual honesty at least
but whatever, im done typing, if u believe they did good then good for you, i guess. for me it's the last straw in a pretty long list of fuckups
wild storm
any clue on when they might fix the serrated bone spike bug? I don't want to reroll venythr was jesus it's annoying.
vestal wren
if you followed our talk in subtlety yesterday it seemed to us likely to see buffs to frost/blood
slim jay
People who spent all their embers maxing their unholy shards 
odd hazel
imagine being this upset
young nacelle
People who spent all their embers maxing their unholy shards <:PepeLaugh:6243112...
dont come at me like this
vestal wren
frost won't be good before high ranks in it
so i wouldn't be upset
unholy is still rly strong
slim jay
You can still use the unholy
Pretty sure frost might be like barely ahead but we will see
rocky pecan
still 3 day before the NA reset so thing can change
young nacelle
like i said, i was mildly annoyed about it for all of 5 minutes.
i literally, just this week, got my 3rd unholy shard (have had all 3 frost/blood and no fucking sockets for them) and was able to use the set bonus, so as soon as i saw no nerfs were happening, i got excited and upgraded them asap.
slim jay
Please continue malding peeps.
young nacelle
so for me, probably the best call bc who the fuck knows when ill see shoulders/chest anyway
odd hazel
even if i get
all UH gems to rank 5
i'll still be like
"oh, gotta upgrade frost now?"
oh well
time to do that i guess
slim jay
Mostly will just be annoying to buy a new lego
odd hazel
why im not upgrading to r5/6.
its not like upgrading your leggo is a huge increase any way
young nacelle
im still on the obed hype train, waiting for it to be actually bis over doomblade
strange python
they shouldve waited a few weeks then wed have all the shards upgraded anyway
young nacelle
slim jay
Same. Im a smart player and waiting for the changes to settle down.
odd hazel
itys better in M+
slim jay
Im not poor i promise
odd hazel
oh im poor--- but, i wasnt going to upgrade any time soon any way
slim jay
Its because im big brain. Not because im poor
wild storm
Its because im big brain. Not because im poor
post your gold 🙂
slim jay
Like 70k
rocky pecan
1 gold
wild storm
... 70k can't get you half a lego lol
rocky pecan
just farm korthite then ask for a guuys to craft you
slim jay
Someone buy my boe pls
young nacelle
slim jay
I spent all my gold completing t3 druid
strange python
just use your moms credit card on wow tokens 
young nacelle
slim jay
Ill give someone a stack of minecraft diamonds
young nacelle
👀
bet
im sitting on 2 r6 cloaks so i can upgrade obed and eventually craft doomblade
or maybe do neither and craft dashing
slim jay
Who needs rank 6 legos
young nacelle
odd hazel
I got 2 UH shards this week which gave me the bonus, the guardian trinket, a 4th domination socket, and the heroic WPS conduit. I think I ran out of luck 
young nacelle
i got norm sylv dagger week 1 from vault and have been absolutely cucked on loot drops since
if i knew it was gonna be like this, i wouldnt have taken it lmfao
slim jay
I just badly need the helm
young nacelle
yeah i simmed heroic sylv dagger and its worst than my 252 mh so :/
slim jay
Hopefully i get it in box
young nacelle
but everyone keeps saying those daggers are kind dookie for sin anyway so meh
odd hazel
Prob will be like that once I get higher ilvl
I mean
It wasn’t higher by a lot
They are “okay” for us
slim jay
And sylv dagger is all st right
slim jay
So for m+ you probably sill use ilvl
young nacelle
i think fuu said it was st
slim jay
I just want the mog
young nacelle
its sicc
slim jay
Cool dagger
young nacelle
it looks really dope with my wod challenge mode dagger
slim jay
I almost have all normal tmog set
young nacelle
when i say ive been getting cucked for loot
lmao like legit getting fuck all from raid nights
2 weeks i looted a total of like 4 cloaks
and nothing else
odd hazel
odd hazel
are you judging me with that sylvanas picture.
young nacelle
odd hazel
young nacelle
slim jay
Mechgnome is based
odd hazel
imagine choosing to be bad
slim jay
Psure mechagnome racials are actually nuts
odd hazel
they are
young nacelle
being alliance on purpose
odd hazel
emergency heal and main stat
young nacelle
slim jay
The drawback is youre a poopy diaper baby
odd hazel
i wear a robe so its GG
odd hazel
i cant wear pants so
young nacelle
some dresses are nice 👀
odd hazel
physically doesnt let you t-mog it
young nacelle
lmao really?
young nacelle
imagine
odd hazel
Cant t-mog gloves, pants, boots
young nacelle
slim jay
It makes you look like youre wearing a diaper
odd hazel
which why im wearing a robe
young nacelle
i wanted to sim myself but im in m+ talents 
slim jay
Sim top gear and just change talents..
young nacelle
u rite
slim jay
Like i said. Its because im smart, not poor.
young nacelle
odd hazel
TBH. im on Stormrage @slim jay and i think a r6 is only like 135k
so big brain and wait it out
young nacelle
tsm says theyre 130k on illidan
young nacelle
gross
slim jay
Been playing minecraft all week
young nacelle
is bs/ds worth using like at all this tier? or is ep/vig just the play
young nacelle
odd hazel
plus ep/vig is better with multiple adds
also
ep/vigor is only like 50 dps behind if that for people
young nacelle
yeah theres like a 100+ish difference between the two for me
i just see people asking about it a lot so idk if its genuinely a personal preference thing or if its legitimately not worth running
slim jay
Someone said ep is just easier and better on fights with any target swapping or multitargetting
young nacelle
odd hazel
but if you're like my raid and adds die super quick, fuck it. blow pure ST up
could use it for like the nine though
worthy cliff
Id like obedience but i dont want to betray my covenant
Friendship is more important than dps for me
young nacelle
i mean i was running bs/ds for the first like 2 weeks or w.e and it seemed fine, but i ran ep/vig this week and it does feel a little smoother but i feel like i could shit out more dps if i just do bs/ds regardless
odd hazel
your adds must live long vtuber
slim jay
Yes
young nacelle
yeah i exclusively run obed, and i love it. but it fucking sucks on sylv prog bc it lines up with any time she runs away for chains or other shit
slim jay
They do...
young nacelle
so thats why i kind of want to make doomblade but meh
its great on literally every other fight in the raid
(for me)
worthy cliff
I just got doomblade and im lazy to make any other one
odd hazel
besides, i get stuck on runes on fatescribe, orbs on remnant, and KT adds die super quickly ( i get thrown up any way )
slim jay
Doomblade is a good all purpose
solar dune
young nacelle
doom
slim jay
You do orbs on rem?
south belfry
craft dn
young nacelle
but sim it
odd hazel
Obedience sims better then zold for M+ for me
slim jay
odd hazel
You do orbs on rem?
Yes, because my raid is just dumb
slim jay
You not have a dh?
odd hazel
yes but its a tank
worthy cliff
Yep I do the orbs too
slim jay
Wtf
worthy cliff
I even do the chains on soulrender
odd hazel
^
young nacelle
lol same
odd hazel
that too i forgot
worthy cliff
Then they ask me where my parsing is
odd hazel
still does top damage though so GG
worthy cliff
Ill do barely average parsing at the end of the season when i get used to it knowing me
young nacelle
im the worst rogue on the team 
slim jay
I think i had to pick up 1 orb on rem this week because noone else was doing it so i got mad
worthy cliff
Psh If i dont do it someone will fuck it up
slim jay
Feel so dumb walking to the edge
young nacelle
i actively try to avoid the orbs bc when i do them, they call dispels and i get bumped off more often than not
which is annoying as fuck
like i know yall see me running to the fuckin edge
can u wait 2 seconds
slim jay
If there is someone better suited to do it then why
young nacelle
odd hazel
competent > better
slim jay
Ex. Havoc, night faes pally horses
young nacelle
yeah we got plenty of that
worthy cliff
Yeah i know but if they dont then better to do it yourself
young nacelle
but they have the rogues running orbs
worthy cliff
I dont wanna risk it if i can do it
odd hazel
they dont want to be embarrased in damage to much
shadow helm
this shite bad?
worthy cliff
havoc and embarrassment in dmg
shadow helm
young nacelle
i will genuinely wait until the last possible moment before i do orbs
young nacelle
someone else will usually get it before i do, so i just keep doin what i do best
worthy cliff
not dying
young nacelle
which is mid-tier dps
slim jay
Good aoe trinket
young nacelle
worthy cliff
Yeah great trinket
slim jay
I just get frustrated when im assigned to mechanics that are better done by another class
young nacelle
let me do dam pls
slim jay
young nacelle
its all my class is good for
young nacelle
ive tried main swapping to other things and i just cant do it. i think the longest i was off rogue was like 2 months, i played frost mage back in wod and then was like, fuck this i want my rogue back
worthy cliff
I only played rogue and dh a bit
young nacelle
tried to be a priest for like 3 weeks, immediately went back to rogue
worthy cliff
I choose him because i like sneaky characters
young nacelle
if i cant play my rogue, i dont wanna play tbh
slim jay
Too bad the ecliose system is annoying
worthy cliff
im like happy with almost 8k
young nacelle
yeah i played a rogue back in vanilla, quit until mop, and immediately went right back to the rogue.
worthy cliff
they come in with 11 near 12k
young nacelle
its all i play
shadow helm
bro..
slim jay
Boomkins just have insane cds
young nacelle
nothing else is fun enough for me.
shadow helm
frost ass yuge buff
slim jay
They are trash outside cds. Just the cds are so good it makes up for it and more
Like old fire mage
young nacelle
yeah i tried boomie once. was pretty meh
ret pally
all warlock specs
hunter
shaman
everything
i hate them
theyre boring
slim jay
Warlock is a good pick if you want to pug raids
Undergeared? Well we need sums so fuck it we will carry you.
young nacelle
legion was the only time i actively played my rogue, warlock, and mage. i raided 6 days a week. it was wild lmao
slim jay
2 much
young nacelle
i was bored
worthy cliff
Me im just lazy to play other classes even though i dont mind dh
young nacelle
same. i wanna level/gear it slightly so i can get sylv leggos lmfao
worthy cliff
I just dont wanna do the hassle again
ash and cinders, the missions and all that
takes way too long
im a monogamous character player
young nacelle
yeah thats why i havent bothered with any alts too heavily. i wanna see all covenant stories and stuff, but its just too fucking much
slim jay
Once my main is geared i do alts
young nacelle
like i even made an alt rogue on another account, and just the thought of having to redo everything ive already done on my main again
worthy cliff
Here people barely want me for m+
young nacelle
stopped playing that one real quick
slim jay
In your guild or pugging?
young nacelle
i can get into pugs okay
i think they get annoyed when they realize im a sin one trick tho lmfao
young nacelle
my guild groups are fine. i have no issues getting in with a group of gamers there either
worthy cliff
I just try to pug to get ksm
young nacelle
yeah i had to pug my ksm last tier, and ended up buying a timed 15 key bc all my pugs kept failing for the last one i needed
slim jay
I wish my guild did more m+. The good players kinda just pug spammed whatever key drops their bis
No one ever offers keys either
worthy cliff
I never got it....
slim jay
I dont have one
young nacelle
yeah ive seen plenty of those
slim jay
I have the mailbot trinket and decanter
young nacelle
i even have my guildies try to roll the phial for me and it just never drops in any group i do it in
its pain
worthy cliff
I got that trinket
the ones that gives you crit but then you get agility boost
for a moment
young nacelle
i got fusion amp and a doodoo phial
worthy cliff
Hell im so unlucky that i had to do past season with 200 ilvl daggers
young nacelle
i think i got fusion amp last week? out of vault. was pretty hype about that one
worthy cliff
Ohhh thats bis isnt it?
young nacelle
i think so ye
last time i saw trinket sims, i didnt see it. but i simmed my whole vault, and then checked bloodmallet and i was like
ohh 👀
worthy cliff
I still gotta learn how to sim i just slam quick sim and thats it
slim jay
I wish this tazavesh mailbot triket came higher than 233
odd hazel
Fusion amp > phial is the best combo
slim jay
Its pretty good
young nacelle
i need to actually do tazavesh
i did it week 1 and then never did it again
got my mount and never went back lmao
odd hazel
im not worried about anything from taz
slim jay
Its always 4-5% of my dam
young nacelle
yeah like, i dont think theres anything particularly useful in there, besides maybe the trinket, but theres better stuff in raid and m+ so i dont feel like i NEED to do taza weekly
slim jay
I do it weekly for the sword tmog and mount
small bramble
anyone try frost domination bonus to see how mych dmg diff than unholy it is?
young nacelle
i dont think theres any hard sims done yet for the frost set buffs
its all speculation rn p sure?
odd hazel
if i did my sims correctly even right now dashing + max rank frost is like a little less then 100 higher
small bramble
yea cause i cant get the helm to drop and i have the frost one rdy to go xD
young nacelle
i mean just use what you got tbh.
i didnt have any set bonuses until week. had the unholy helm drop pretty early, no other dom sockets, all gems except unholy gems
until this week
shit system
young nacelle
are the buffs live yet or are they with reset?
languid light
So are the changes live yet? For the frost set since I've got both unholy and frost in my bags rn
cosmic sandal
What's the consensus on dashing scoundral +winds of winter build compared to others?
small bramble
not yet reset
languid light
ah, aight
cosmic sandal
too early to say anything?
young nacelle
yep
probably wont know anything until reset happens and the buffs are live and stuff
steep torrent
Realy? "before you invest all of your embers" we already did that to unholy, we have nothing to invest 😄
cosmic sandal
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
odd hazel
Realy? "before you invest all of your embers" we already did that to unholy, we ...
you'll be fine, calm down
rustic portal
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vss8ahqB884Pa7kUVz7WfW
current gear with rank5 shards
cosmic sandal
question- whens best time to use when opening?
south belfry
Use what
kind talon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vss8ahqB884Pa7kUVz7WfW
current gear with ...
Sim with dashing
south belfry
Before first rupture
cosmic sandal
kk ty
rustic portal
odd hazel
its even less ahead with dashing
rustic portal
have only 33% crit and I'am a necro
kind talon
Yep
worthy cliff
Oh wow didnt know 33% crit is low
odd hazel
its not
kind talon
It is for frost set
Also, his sim is current gear
Before the Tuesday buffs
Frost will mega stonk then
rocky pecan
well
he is simming with r5
i sim almost the same 100 dps less as sin without r5 uh 😒
with 5 less ilvl
so idk abouut frost
kind talon
He’s necro
rocky pecan
and ?
kind talon
so idk abouut frost
Just sim it for your profile then
odd hazel
the buffs also havent gone into play yet
rocky pecan
yup
kind talon
But losing 1k dps is insane
rocky pecan
yup
kind talon
Do you have the shoulders?
rocky pecan
yup
kind talon
Lmao wtf
rocky pecan
got all sock/shard
rocky pecan
i dont have now only my normal sim im trying some shit as sub but if you want make test with my sim youu can if you want
tacit knoll
what stats would you recommend for dashing scroundel?
rocky pecan
i would like do another run for proof you
kind talon
what stats would you recommend for dashing scroundel?
Crit haste
rocky pecan
but i cant swap conduit 😄
odd hazel
imagine
using nadjia
and not having dauntless
oh
theotar
why the fuck was it showing nadjia for me
shut garnet
have the set changes been implemented into simc yet?
odd hazel
they havent evne been changed yet
rocky pecan
so if clown you see something i made badly for sim 1K less as frost gems let me know
but im pretty sure i didnt missed something
kind talon
its about a 200 dps difference
rocky pecan
where did i failed ?
kind talon
idk
kind talon
sec
rocky pecan
OH
odd hazel
there are chests and shoulders???
yes?
rocky pecan
i KNOW
kind talon
lemme sim with dashing
rocky pecan
i know
worthy cliff
I had no idea
rocky pecan
when i simmed i prolly missed put shoulder i see only this XD
worthy cliff
Are they special drops from a boss or was i just unlucky
kind talon
when i simmed i prolly missed put shoulder i see only this XD
yeah thats what i thought
rocky pecan
it's only this miss shoulder possible
kind talon
yeah idk
dashing not great for your profile yet
but remember this is before buffs so
willow osprey
hey all, im new to assa, I mainly play it for raid. But im hesitating between crafting Doomblade or the new Venthyr Leggo. Any recommendations?
worthy cliff
Some people like Obedience some like doomblade
But tbh you wont fuck up if you choose any of those 2
odd hazel
obedience is better for M+ if you're venth
worthy cliff
Though were waiting for the reset to check out another one
willow osprey
thanks man, appreciate it 😛
kind talon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t3FzW2NkvNmipvbFbJ11Km
you have no set bonus
serene wharf
obedience is better for M+ if you're venth
how much better?
odd hazel
how much better?
Then doom? Quite a bit.
It was 100 ahead of zold for me last time I simmed
mild dagger
manic haven
Cloak
sterile chasm
Frost is buffed?
kind talon
tuesday
vestal wren
Frost is buffed?
not yet
also sims are experimental
so take any sim you see as speculation
winged moss
maybe outlaw will be better with frost
vestal wren
it seems very strong with frost
strange python
is the frost buff in the sims, and if not will it only be in them by tuesday?
kind talon
we dont know the buff
kind talon
is the frost buff in the sims, and if not will it only be in them by tuesday?
yes and yes
check pins
strange python
I can sim for it myself then?
vestal wren
is the frost buff in the sims, and if not will it only be in them by tuesday?
you can use the overwrite i pinned in subtlety to get a estimate
vestal wren
but its inherently based on interpretations of the bluepost
kind talon
yep
strange python
ahh ok, will try when i'm on my PC later then
vestal wren
we don't have the actual data on what changes yet
you can use advanced sim or expert mode
(expert mode is under custom apl and allowes you to use the overwrite in all sim types)
from what it looks at first glace is that outlaw benefits the most and subtlety the least from the buffs
assassination is somewhere between
outlaw goes a bit crazy if you optimize gear and can see a uprise of ~10% dps
vestal wren
10% from what we have now in the tier profile
kind talon
no
vestal wren
frost is atm already better for outlaw but not used
so it won't be a 10% for frost to frost
kind talon
yes but with gear optimizations minus the buff
frost with current gear is 12.6 and buff makes it 13.3
sorry, bis gear
not current
but yeah its about 10% for the unholy profile
the tier profile is unholy yeah?
vestal wren
tier profile is at 11.8k
frost + gear change is 12.65 (like you mentioned) -- + 7%
buff makes it 12.95 -- + 9.8% or 2.4% up from before buff
so the buff only has minor impact, the biggest change comes from the gear change + bugfixes
dull mural
Whats up peeps! So... yall switching back to venthyr from necro?
strange python
I dont know as it really means outlaw becomes better
dull mural
or waiting for the bug to get fixed?
strange python
its great with an optimised gearset but thats hard to achieve
maybe it does just become better idk
winged moss
btw ma+ks with frost shards?
odd hazel
I dont know as it really means outlaw becomes better
“Better”
Didn’t realize this was outlaw 
odd hazel
had enough of outlaw last tier
Didn’t have to play outlaw last tier besides beginning of it before 9.0.5
young nacelle
last time i played outlaw was when it was hella busted in emerald nightmare
odd hazel
Whats up peeps! So... yall switching back to venthyr from necro?
We’ve been venthyr 
young nacelle
i want to keep it that way
odd hazel
Tbh I never felt like I needed to play outlaw this expansion besides the beginning
real bay
most prog was before 9.0.5 so it was outlaw 😩
young nacelle
manic haven
Will be interesting to see frost set sims between specs and cov with more current gear levels as opposed to full BIS profiles
odd hazel
Or sub tbh
odd hazel
Will be interesting to see frost set sims between specs and cov with more curren...
“Bis”
young nacelle
i miss bis lists 
odd hazel
I miss tier sets
odd hazel
Just a short way of wording it, you know what I was meaning chap
I mean, everyone’s outcome will be different. But i get you. I’ll probably build dashing tonight then wait and see how it looks
I’m in no rush to build r5/6 due to everything changing. I’ll wait till it settles down
placid pagoda
Am i right in understanding that SBS ticks are meant to give combo points right?
burnt star
Am i right in understanding that SBS ticks are meant to give combo points right?
No.
Each active sbs bleed give u 1 extra cp when u cast the spell
placid pagoda
okay thanks for clarificaiton
burnt star
So if u use sbs on 3 target
As long as they are alive. Ur 4th cast will give 3 extra cp
burnt star
They did not
placid pagoda
it aint getting fixed anytime soon is it
untold nest
Imagine u have 4 sbs out and each tick gave combo points :kreygasm:
odd hazel
You would never mut again
odd hazel
Do it, it’s the way
fallen arch
Its not
placid pagoda
i like the strong tree setup for necro tho
odd hazel
Shut up oz 
fallen arch
I’m not swapping
placid pagoda
like one for outlaw, one for raid assa
odd hazel
Gross outlaw
fallen arch
Ye it blows
topaz sphinx
Hey Guys 😉 Question, would it be wise to make a R6 Cloak with Obedience or should I wait and save my cinders etc? (atm I got R4 with Doomblade)
fallen arch
But I’ll stay necro this expansion
odd hazel
I would wait to see how the dashing works out
I just like lashing to much to give it up
fallen arch
Hey Guys 😉 Question, would it be wise to make a R6 Cloak with Obedience or shou...
In a couple of months we’ll know what’s wise
For now it’s wise to wait
With upgrading anything
topaz sphinx
I like it too, but many players are telling me that Obedience is the way to go, but I guess that can change fast. So not sure if I should spend or
yeah seems like a wise idea @fallen arch
placid pagoda
@limber lion is Venth looking the strongest cov with all soulbinds unlocked?
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> is Venth looking the strongest cov with all soulbinds unl...
For raiding, sure.
high phoenix
Put them all at r4 if you got the soul ash. R4 capes are like 8k in mats. Not bad.
placid pagoda
For raiding, sure.
Venth seems to be the most verstilile for multi speccing too right?
limber lion
Venth seems to be the most verstilile for multi speccing too right?
Correct.
fallen arch
Multi speccing with sub ye
placid pagoda
I'm really on the fence, JPC said why would you play a cov thats defining spell is bugged af and wont be fixed
fallen arch
Well
topaz sphinx
I would wait to see how the dashing works out
Is that considered better than Doomblade, because thats the one I use now. Seems pretty decent to me?
fallen arch
For the content it’s best for which is m+ it isnt all that bad. As long as you dont slam 2 charges into a target you’re fine
steel bane
It's not fine
placid pagoda
Back to venty i go
fallen arch
No it sucks balls, but you can kinda play around it I guess
steel bane
Bug 1: At some point in a fight, sbs will no longer grant extra CP for active bleeds on your main-target. This means you will get 1cp baseline from any additional spikes. We don't understand the root cause for this and it isn't always repeatable.
This is very very bad
hollow talon
I like it too, but many players are telling me that Obedience is the way to go, ...
i have a 262 obe i made mostly for sub and with idea of playing with for ass but doomblade just sims better for me so using doomblade mostly
hollow escarp
I know I'm coping but the bug isn't that bad that it's unplayable, it's just very annoying
you can still do nice damage
hollow talon
i think at a certain gear point obe edges out but we're not there yet
hollow escarp
rank 1 all stars mythic assa is necro btw
fallen arch
Bug 1: At some point in a fight, sbs will no longer grant extra CP for active bl...
This doesn’t always happen btw
steel bane
I know, but when it does it's extremely annoying and unrewarding
static glacier
i think at a certain gear point obe edges out but we're not there yet
Iirc obedience favours BS DS over EP Vig
fallen arch
Don’t forget player skill is a way bigger determinant of ranking than an active bug on 1 of your abilities
static glacier
As well
steel bane
...
odd hazel
I’m not swapping
I was really going to be necro until that bug was announced
fallen arch
I was really going to be necro until that bug was announced
It wasnt anounced haha
static glacier
You can go necro even with the bug and do fine
fallen arch
It just was there one day 😂
steel bane
for the amount we pay monthly this type of bug is not acceptable imho. But it's a game in the end of the day so life moves on
hollow escarp
tbf, I never noticed the less cp from sbs bug yet
just the refund one
maybe I should compare logs before and after the bug 
fiery mauve
for the amount we pay monthly this type of bug is not acceptable imho. But it's ...
It’s ok subt rogues get deathly pre pull
It’s a trade off
fallen arch
for the amount we pay monthly this type of bug is not acceptable imho. But it's ...
Oh yes completely agree
But for me the pro’s of necro still outweigh the cons
spice spire
odd hazel
It just was there one day 😂
Yeah I meant pinned my bad
odd python
So, dashing venthy scoundrel ?
north basin
everyone want simple answers as always xD
vestal wren
people forget that the only thing we have is a estimate
odd hazel
The buffs aren’t even out yet lawl
fallen arch
They’ll delay them by a week to address sbs bug
odd hazel
fallen arch
I’m so naïve
kindred breach
Hey guys !! Little question : how's the buff on frost shards looking for us? Is unholy still our best? I'm not sur regading my sims i think my gear isnt optimized enough...
placid pagoda
Hey guys !! Little question : how's the buff on frost shards looking for us? Is ...
check the pins
hollow escarp
kindred breach
check the pins
thanks mate ❤️
marble hemlock
also, god i missed playing assa in m+
hollow escarp
got to 2250 only with assa this season 
but this week is pretty annoying
yo, if Kevin works that way
what about Deathspike
marble hemlock
still trash, i would guess
alpine latch
I still can’t believe I need an IQD now. I gave two of them away…
Fucking frost set
hollow escarp
I got my IQD because it dropped for a healer and nobody wanted it 
don't see any use for it yet
alpine latch
IQD is my highest simming trinket.
I assume because it would give me more crit and crit matters for frost set
lavish lichen
It also assumes you get stats everytime
alpine latch
Sure. But it was never high for me until I got my Frost set.
Once I got that, it’s value spiked.
hollow escarp
that's mostly because you have low ilvl trinkets
ebon creek
is sin gonna switch to frost set and high crit next reset?
frosty cedar
wait sims
hollow escarp
and some logs
ebon creek
i just crafted obedience like 2 days ago ion 262 lmao
then i heard about the unholy nerfs
hollow escarp
unholy had no nerfs though
ebon creek
unholy gets like 40% dmg reduction next reset no?
eager river
no
hollow escarp
no
gentle gyro
nerfs got cancelled
lavish lichen
they put in nerfs, then reverted then said they'll do no nerfs, then they buffed
ebon creek
thought they got delayed
lavish lichen
bc blizz
ebon creek
what the fuck?
frosty cedar
no nerfs only frost and blood buffs
ebon creek
im even more confused now
lavish lichen
reread my message
ebon creek
what a blizz thing to do
hollow escarp
Frost gets 45% buff and considering there was also some theorycrafting about dashing frost build with crazy good gear, now it only makes it more viable in case everything works properly
lavish lichen
hopefully the bug fix actually works
hollow escarp
by the time we know if the build works, we will have close to 2nd r6 legendary anyway
ebon creek
yea true
hollow escarp
I already have r4 dashing just to play around next week
north basin
and after all will be figured out we suddenly have to switch to outlaw to do bis ST damage xDD
hollow escarp
"have to"
shadow pivot
I mean before that you already "had to" switch to Sub to do bis ST Damage so
shut flame
Guys, how do you open on aoe pack? 4 garr, snd (or ct?), foks, ct (or snd?) and then rupt+garr on every1?
ornate lake
not 100% sure if its optimal but, 4x gar - CT - FoK - SnD - Fok in to ruptures
But thats what i do atleast
use env when SnD is dropping
carmine prairie
Hi guys !! which anima do you take in mm +? taking the champion's mark twice is efficient? and should you absolutely take volcanic cloud?
ornate lake
dagger does more dmg than volc plumage, but plumage is good to have on trash (so good on fortified weeks) cuz of knockups
I dont take champ brand myself tbh
carmine prairie
Ok
carmine prairie
Ok and what you take if you dont take champ? Dagger and volc?
kind talon
Can’t take dagger and volc
carmine prairie
Oh ok^^ my bad sry
kind talon
Only worth it for tyrannical st situations
ornate lake
it's either dagger or plumage, you can check what ur group takes and balance that out
kind talon
Yep
ornate lake
Only worth it for tyrannical st situations
Yeah thats probaably why wowhead suggests champ brand
alpine latch
that's mostly because you have low ilvl trinkets
How does that matter? I’m literally simming trinkets and IQD is objectively the best.
vast forum
If it doesn't give healers mana zzz
hollow escarp
I have 2 x 252 trinkets and this is how IQD looks like in droptimizer
it's all based on your current gear
odd hazel
Iqd is only really good for venth and high crit
soft shale
tbh iqd will take a back burner as we get closer to 50% crit
rigid pecan
is it worth to change my legendary obedience for the doomblade one?
thorny pond
tbh iqd will take a back burner as we get closer to 50% crit
That and phial takes up one slot and SGT and Fusion Amp are also phenomenal. IQD kinda loses by virtue of just being good not phenomenal
thorny pond
There is a case for sub mastery build IQD but that’s really it
soft shale
nah you get too much dr as you already run around with a lot
soft shale
pog
thorny pond
Sylvanas is just 20, 40 second fights
soft shale
i mean it would be good to kill mini bosses if you would not skip 3 of the 4 most dungeons
im sad about that
hollow escarp
I want to try it in M+
but already did my 10 keys this week
and I don't like bolstering
sick cairn
my unholy is rank3 but I heard frost will pull ahead after the buff, should i save my embers or should i rank 4 then save for frost?
vestal wren
my unholy is rank3 but I heard frost will pull ahead after the buff, should i sa...
i would wait for the changes to be in game and testable before deciding to invest in frost
strange silo
i did understand it right frost will only pull ahead with dashing and only in st right? so with obedience the pick would still be unholy
vast forum
Maybe but you can just craft dashing instead of being behind on purpose
vestal wren
dashing + frost was a about 4% increase
but keep in mind this was on highest gem level
strange silo
well ok highest gem lvl changes much xd i just upgraded unholy to t4 so it will take a while for frost t5
rocky rain
i would wait for the changes to be in game and testable before deciding to inves...
This thinking has me so paralysed this tier. Covenants/ specs / domination sets are bouncing around so much I havent been able to bring myself to invest in anything yet. I still have 235 glove leggo
vestal wren
best is to just sim it, but again using overwrites just means you have an estimate
its doesen't mean that its the same blizz implements it
real bay
glove leggo with +15 str gang
untold nest
@vestal wren with all the frost hype did anyone check how blood is doing in comparison to UH on sims?
untold nest
Cuz i think if its real close blood is a winner cuz u cant fck up
vestal wren
blood is possibly a option for sub
untold nest
Like UH if it procs on bad time u lose from ur numbers. Frost if u lose uptime u miss a cycle
Blood will sucki sucki and not give an F
Talking about practical application =/= sim and blood is closest u will get to sim value i believe
Ty didnt see sub pins :D
woeful cipher
If we're planning on playing all 3 specs is venth the play still?
placid pagoda
If we're planning on playing all 3 specs is venth the play still?
Yes
placid pagoda
If we're planning on playing all 3 specs is venth the play still?
The most versatile for all 3
near girder
i have a 239 and 220 dagger which one do i want in my main hand?
fallen arch
Highest one
placid pagoda
i have a 239 and 220 dagger which one do i want in my main hand?
239 but sim it
random dragon
no need to sim that lol
exotic pulsar
Is two sylvanas daggers the play?
grim jay
no, we use 2 pitchforks to get em RDDs
sand heath
Is two sylvanas daggers the play?
Tbh sim it, unless you get 2 mythic ones, you probably find a hc syl dagger in offhand and a 252 one in main hand will sim better then 2 hc ones. That’s what I have found
exotic pulsar
Oh do the procs not stack?
silent fossil
why would it be bad
dense hamlet
idk
no zold in fort keys dosent feel nice does it
i just wanna try it in a theater and see if its worth playing or do i lose too much dps
hollow escarp
not that bad
did a key with another rogue when I was venthyr
I only did 600 less dps overall
but had more damage on each boss and anima boss
dense hamlet
yeah that seems fair enough for theater atleast
subtle tundra
obedience is really good wdym
hollow escarp
probably more
dense hamlet
well i mean how far behind is obe from zold
silent fossil
i just play ep/vig/ct and use obedience and just slam ST in m+. any of the more aoe centric specs will put you in the dumpster anyway for aoe
dense hamlet
if it is that much
subtle tundra
obe is better
dense hamlet
is it
dense hamlet
idk why would it sim 2k behind my sub gear then
silent fossil
the first key you run with a good ele sham or ww will make you not care about zold for aoe dps
subtle tundra
idk why would it sim 2k behind my sub gear then
cause you simmed wrong
dense hamlet
how did i sim wrong
hollow escarp
the first key you run with a good ele sham or ww will make you not care about zo...
unless it's spires
subtle tundra
no leggo is 2k difference my friend*
drifting cloud
because uneqiping a legendary isnt 2k dps loss
hollow escarp
they are kinda close but as Luna said, you can decide based on your group's dps profile
subtle tundra
it makes flag an aoe cd