#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 4358

silent fossil Jul 30, 2021, 2:10 PM

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my phone just big disagrees with raidbots

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 2:10 PM

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Click raw input

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And copy it

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Ah

silent fossil Jul 30, 2021, 2:11 PM

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that’s just from my history of a sim i ran the other night after raid

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just curious if you can slap doom on a sim rq and link it for me

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 2:12 PM

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I need to try simming r5 frost with dashing vs r5 unholy with other leggos

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I’m on my phone at work too

silent fossil Jul 30, 2021, 2:12 PM

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ah

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 2:12 PM

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3 minutes left in break lol

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Or I would

alpine latch Jul 30, 2021, 2:15 PM

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Man, I need new daggers so damn bad.

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233/220 isn't cutting it

silent fossil Jul 30, 2021, 2:16 PM

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actually got it to start simming with the scuffed layout i get on mobile

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 2:29 PM

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😫 why can't I get frost shoulders

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My own damn build and I can't even play it

silent fossil Jul 30, 2021, 2:30 PM

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doom is showing as 35 dps inc after this weeks gear acquisition. insane

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 2:31 PM

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Did you sim everything tho

next junco Jul 30, 2021, 2:34 PM

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!opener

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 2:34 PM

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT Jul 30, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

silent fossil Jul 30, 2021, 2:35 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rm4ozLJRb9Z6MVrhE6RxQg

Raidbots

Top Gear - Lunaqt - 8,916 DPS - Raidbots

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no wft doom like 35-40 or whatever the dif is.

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site barely functions on mobile for me so hard to tell

austere gorge Jul 30, 2021, 2:39 PM

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what is the best legendary for sin m+ ?

narrow ravine Jul 30, 2021, 2:41 PM

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you can use dungeon slice sims to compare them

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zoldyck maybe dashing maybe obed

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 2:45 PM

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silent fossil site barely functions on mobile for me so hard to tell

I got you, sec

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 2:53 PM

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silent fossil no wft doom like 35-40 or whatever the dif is.

Yeah DB sims higher for you. Do you have that 252 trink or is that just there for other reasons?

silent fossil Jul 30, 2021, 3:01 PM

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i got that trash the other day but i feel like its bait

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sack is insane

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 3:02 PM

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It's not bait at all

silent fossil Jul 30, 2021, 3:02 PM

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and im just waiting to be able to get a few fort keys done to upg my phial

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 3:02 PM

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But yeah fair

silent fossil Jul 30, 2021, 3:02 PM

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sack does like 7-8% of my breakdown sometimes

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Yes sack does tons of damage but it gives mastery as opposed to AGI

silent fossil Jul 30, 2021, 3:03 PM

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fukem

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 3:03 PM

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It's probably fine until you get a better overall think tho the gland is understandably gross looking

burnt star Jul 30, 2021, 3:18 PM

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silent fossil https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rm4ozLJRb9Z6MVrhE6RxQg

Why is that phial still so low! Get it to 246 asap

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Btw u got bis shoulder until u get them from mythic KTZ

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Rogue in my group also has them + 252 glove

kind turtle Jul 30, 2021, 3:24 PM

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Question regarding Subterfuge: if you Vanish+reopen with full dots up (Garrote, Rupture, etc.), does the 80% increased damage from Garrote automatically start occurring? Or does Garrote need to be re-applied to proc the effect

edgy pawn Jul 30, 2021, 3:25 PM

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Only new garottes get the dmg boost

nimble tinsel Jul 30, 2021, 3:25 PM

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Reapplied, its one of the few cases of snapshotting still around.

kind turtle Jul 30, 2021, 3:26 PM

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thx!

hollow talon Jul 30, 2021, 3:38 PM

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are you guys switching to nadija with the final row next week or sticking with theotar

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my theotar is still simming a tiny bit higher

winged basin Jul 30, 2021, 3:38 PM

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We were running Theo?

hollow talon Jul 30, 2021, 3:39 PM

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i dunno i did theo this week the potion gave me more dam

winged basin Jul 30, 2021, 3:39 PM

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hmmmmmmmm, wack, I should sim it. Never considered Theo for ST

hollow talon Jul 30, 2021, 3:39 PM

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the 3% agi is nice

echo geyser Jul 30, 2021, 3:40 PM

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i think agi sims the lowest ?

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well maybe not over mastery

hollow talon Jul 30, 2021, 3:40 PM

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o no way really lol

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ive been logging off befoire raid with the agi buff

echo geyser Jul 30, 2021, 3:40 PM

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cause u get like 3% of ur agi vs 3% flat stats on secondaries

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which is like 120 vers or w/e

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vs 60? agi

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u can sim it and try urself

hollow talon Jul 30, 2021, 3:41 PM

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ok i guess i can do the stat weights to figure it out

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ye

echo geyser Jul 30, 2021, 3:41 PM

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in the sub channel

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oh wait u cant even get mastery?

hollow talon Jul 30, 2021, 3:42 PM

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nop

echo geyser Jul 30, 2021, 3:42 PM

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kekw

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then it should be the worst yeah

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small differences but w/e

hollow talon Jul 30, 2021, 3:44 PM

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i think agi is still better

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cause i have 1500 agi

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but only like 1000 2nd stat

echo geyser Jul 30, 2021, 3:45 PM

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no it gives u flat 3% of secondary

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it dont matter how much u got

hollow talon Jul 30, 2021, 3:45 PM

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oh wut

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like total of my secondaries?

echo geyser Jul 30, 2021, 3:45 PM

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bruh idk

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just flat

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how much is 3% vers

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120?

hollow talon Jul 30, 2021, 3:46 PM

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oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

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i have 12% vers rn with my gear and thats with

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472 vers

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so around that much yeah

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sorry misunderstood before lol

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ok i did the math

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the 2nd stat is definitely better but not a huge diff

echo geyser Jul 30, 2021, 3:48 PM

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yeah the sims are in sub pins

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if u want them

timid coral Jul 30, 2021, 3:53 PM

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saw several party favor sims posted yesterday, some had agi top, some had agi bottom

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but its like 30 dps best to worst

dull cloak Jul 30, 2021, 3:54 PM

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agi gets better with gear

latent stream Jul 30, 2021, 4:07 PM

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Generally Id say 3% haste is best for most, unless you got way to much haste on ur gear if then vers might pull ahead, but its easy to sim

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Also if you get Pi vers is probably better as well

red plaza Jul 30, 2021, 4:08 PM

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Imagine giving a rogue PI Sadge

latent stream Jul 30, 2021, 4:09 PM

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Im livin life my dude

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 4:12 PM

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What do people even do when they are benched -_-

silent fossil Jul 30, 2021, 4:12 PM

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burnt star Why is that phial still so low! Get it to 246 asap

i work 7 12s and off 7 and my 7 12s on is always on fortified weeks and i have negative time to grind fort keys with the time off i have during my 7 on

red plaza Jul 30, 2021, 4:14 PM

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hollow river What do people even do when they are benched -_-

Korthia dailies. Hang out in guild stream so you can jump in right away and be up to speed. Play final fantasy

odd hazel Jul 30, 2021, 4:18 PM

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Play new world while you wait

sinful citrus Jul 30, 2021, 4:20 PM

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I was getting pis last night lol was nice but I'm one of the only people with the unholy set

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In my raid

odd hazel Jul 30, 2021, 4:21 PM

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I just got my UH set last night. It’s insane

real bay Jul 30, 2021, 4:23 PM

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i dont bother looking at my parses before i get it

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irrelevant

odd hazel Jul 30, 2021, 4:27 PM

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I only have the rank 2( or 3?) can’t remember. But it’s already a 700 increase on sims

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Tonight will be fun

real bay Jul 30, 2021, 4:28 PM

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simming 7800 without atm

viscid spear Jul 30, 2021, 4:28 PM

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So the Shard sets only work in Sanctum, Torghast, and Maw/Korthia?
Do the individual effects of the shards work everywhere or are they under the same restriction?

odd hazel Jul 30, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Yes the gems work any where

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The bonus does not

shut flame Jul 30, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Guys, generally, PB or CT for raid? Pb sims higher, but practically is it really so?

odd hazel Jul 30, 2021, 4:29 PM

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PB besides fatescribe

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Then you got CT.

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Unless you’re on rune duty then I would just stick with Pb

shut flame Jul 30, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Thanks

winged basin Jul 30, 2021, 4:32 PM

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man, fighting for my life out here, inb4 the check pins comments, without the nerfs, are we still going frost if they fix it? or Unholy all the way?

odd hazel Jul 30, 2021, 4:32 PM

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I would say go UH to be safe until we know for sure

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Since it’s still really good

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 4:33 PM

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If u play all specs unholy

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Outlaw and sin might go frost

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Afaik

winged basin Jul 30, 2021, 4:33 PM

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I got frost set rn, but I do not have unholy helm, but I also do not want to fullsend my embers into frost if unholy is better

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I cannot get the damn helmet to drop for me no matter how hard I pray to the rngjesus

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Do u play sub

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As well

winged basin Jul 30, 2021, 4:35 PM

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I COULD play sub, but I havent played it this xpac yet, and dont have a EoN yet

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 4:36 PM

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If u might go sub their tier go for unholy

winged basin Jul 30, 2021, 4:36 PM

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I find it hard to follow the guides, and would love it if a accurate video guide existed

red plaza Jul 30, 2021, 4:36 PM

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viscid spear So the Shard sets only work in Sanctum, Torghast, and Maw/Korthia? Do the indivi...

They individual shards are only 50% effective in pvp and no set bonus ofc

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 4:36 PM

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Since it’s good across the board

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 4:36 PM

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winged basin I find it hard to follow the guides, and would love it if a accurate video guide...

Pretty sure u can find one.. or watch a rogue streamers vods

red plaza Jul 30, 2021, 4:37 PM

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Unfortunately it’s only Infexious that makes video guides

viscid spear Jul 30, 2021, 4:37 PM

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Got my 3rd UH shard off Eye and I was definitely feeling it

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 4:39 PM

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red plaza Unfortunately it’s only Infexious that makes video guides

Marcelian makes guides

thin trout Jul 30, 2021, 4:42 PM

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so the domination sets arent getting nerfed - what's the best way to upgrade them? I got my unholy shards all at lvl 4 atm - should i get the dps blood/frost to level 3 or 4 first before i upgrade my unholy set to 5?

red plaza Jul 30, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Him and Dalaran are good. They are multi class guide makers, so it’s not as nuanced as discord info. Just basic stuff.

I mained warlock for 8.3 and 9.0 so I guess I’m just spoiled with Kalamazi 😂

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 4:44 PM

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thin trout so the domination sets arent getting nerfed - what's the best way to upgrade the...

No. set first

thin trout Jul 30, 2021, 4:45 PM

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my blood and unholy are at lvl 1

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keep them at lvl 1?

red plaza Jul 30, 2021, 4:45 PM

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thin trout so the domination sets arent getting nerfed - what's the best way to upgrade the...

Well it’s 150 embers to get from rank 4 unholy set to rank 5. You get about 50 embers a week.

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 4:45 PM

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thin trout my blood and unholy are at lvl 1

Rank 5 set first. Then do the extra

thin trout Jul 30, 2021, 4:45 PM

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okay 🙂

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Unless u care about m+ dps more than raid

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Or something

thin trout Jul 30, 2021, 4:45 PM

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no only raid

pine grove Jul 30, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Oh man. Seeing that the sets aren't getting nerfed has made my day.

thin trout Jul 30, 2021, 4:47 PM

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2 more weeks for max level set then 🙂

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 4:47 PM

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We also have no idea if they will buff frost or not

cobalt pelican Jul 30, 2021, 4:49 PM

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people getting set bonuses early was funny

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i randomly checked a week 2 rank 1 log

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cranking

drifting cloud Jul 30, 2021, 4:49 PM

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openers are for tryhards

west geode Jul 30, 2021, 4:51 PM

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cobalt pelican

How do you get this graph with Warcraft logs ?

drifting cloud Jul 30, 2021, 4:51 PM

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casts and you press timeline

winged basin Jul 30, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Garrote on opener?

abstract flicker Jul 30, 2021, 4:53 PM

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weird to see my assa st sims nearly same as my dslice outlaw xD

winged basin Jul 30, 2021, 4:53 PM

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that must be subtrefuge?

cobalt pelican Jul 30, 2021, 4:53 PM

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no smile

winged basin Jul 30, 2021, 4:58 PM

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wat

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explain yourself kekw

cobalt pelican Jul 30, 2021, 4:59 PM

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it's not mine

indigo ginkgo Jul 30, 2021, 5:06 PM

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so does the frost set work with the heimir soulbind to!? its procs crit !

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 5:07 PM

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Yeah

lone wren Jul 30, 2021, 5:09 PM

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we are gonna be in this tier for a while, every shard of every player wil get upgraded to max, no need to panic or imo even save embers, just do whats great right now, and once/if frost starts to dominate start lvling it up

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you are going to end up lvling up all your shards anyway, so imo no need to stress over it

odd hazel Jul 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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yeah, i have 3 UH 3 Frost 2 Blood. no rush

lone wren Jul 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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i also wouldn't be surprised if the nerfs coming in next week get slightly adjusted to what we saw earlier this week

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it may or may not be exactly the same % etc. We will see on tuesday i guess

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 5:16 PM

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lone wren i also wouldn't be surprised if the nerfs coming in next week get slightly adjus...

No nerfs coming next week

lone wren Jul 30, 2021, 5:16 PM

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was that confirmed? i haven't seen it yet

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 5:16 PM

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Check wowhead

lone wren Jul 30, 2021, 5:16 PM

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will do thanks

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 5:16 PM

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Blizzard made a blue post about it I think

lone wren Jul 30, 2021, 5:18 PM

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i see it now

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well there we go then

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this is why i went ahead and upgraded my unholy set on tuesday the moment i got my 3rd unholy shard anyway

lavish lichen Jul 30, 2021, 5:18 PM

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We could still see buffs to the others

lone wren Jul 30, 2021, 5:19 PM

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of course anything can happen in the future

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we could also not see any changes

lavish lichen Jul 30, 2021, 5:19 PM

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Right but their wording makes it seem like they want to make a change

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We’ll see I guess

lone wren Jul 30, 2021, 5:19 PM

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so personally i make decisions based on what is 100% known in live, because it would help my guild progress right now rather than sitting on my resources trying to predict and guess changes

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and say should a change comes in and makes frost bis, who cares i start upgrading it, im upgrading my unholy set and 2 dps shard at the same rate

lavish lichen Jul 30, 2021, 5:20 PM

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That’s usually the right approach however I’d say most guilds have already raided this week

lone wren Jul 30, 2021, 5:20 PM

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so i already have my dps frost shard upgraded anyway

lavish lichen Jul 30, 2021, 5:20 PM

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So waiting till tuesday isn’t hurtful in anyway

lone wren Jul 30, 2021, 5:20 PM

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well yeah if you haven't by now then wait

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but i upgraded on tuesday

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before raid

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i guess what if next week no changes comes in ...do you wait because you suspect a change the following week? what if you decide to upgrade next week but then the change comes in 2 weeks from now lol

drifting cloud Jul 30, 2021, 5:22 PM

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please stop

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with that line of thinking youre gonna have enough ember for every gem to r5 and still waiting or what

lone wren Jul 30, 2021, 5:23 PM

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thats what im saying

drifting cloud Jul 30, 2021, 5:23 PM

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if you wanna play it safe just upgrade it to r3 since it literally costs less embers than you get in a week

lone wren Jul 30, 2021, 5:23 PM

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it's silly to try to play the guessing game and sit on your resources

lavish lichen Jul 30, 2021, 5:26 PM

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I was specifically talking about right now, they said they might make changes in the coning days. It’s not unreasonable to wait till tuesday and upgrade then if you have already raided this week.

mild dagger Jul 30, 2021, 5:27 PM

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Send it upgrade speed ember to turbomax or no balls

thin nexus Jul 30, 2021, 5:30 PM

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What Legendary would be better for Venthyr Assa in M+ Zoldyck or Obedience?

sinful citrus Jul 30, 2021, 5:37 PM

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They are close I went with obedience because I also play sub in keys

frosty cedar Jul 30, 2021, 5:52 PM

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they said no nerfs but they prob still buff frost imo

mental trout Jul 30, 2021, 5:54 PM

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abstract flicker weird to see my assa st sims nearly same as my dslice outlaw xD

I was thinking the same thing lol

quaint carbon Jul 30, 2021, 6:15 PM

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where could i find what % dps increase bonus the shards and 3x bonus shard in avg for every classes? (without siming)

mint kindle Jul 30, 2021, 6:18 PM

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What do you guys do when you have a 3 min trinket like IQD?

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Do you use it on CD or wait for Vendetta?

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And if on CD, do you use flag with it every time & ignore Vendetta?

amber mountain Jul 30, 2021, 6:20 PM

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I use it "near CD" during big burst windows like the nearest vendetta or pillars on sludge etc.

mint kindle Jul 30, 2021, 6:23 PM

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So wait that 1 min to use it again with big cooldowns?

thorny pond Jul 30, 2021, 6:28 PM

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No

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Send it

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You can line it with flag

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Or gemstone window

quaint carbon Jul 30, 2021, 6:33 PM

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is it normal that a sim with frost gem is higher than unholy? (without dashing)

vestal wren Jul 30, 2021, 6:34 PM

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depends on the rank of your gems, but its possible

ancient peak Jul 30, 2021, 7:20 PM

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if I tag something with flag, and then use a finisher on a different target, do I have to be in melee range of the target with flag for the bonus damage to go through?

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the damage from spending cp i mean

soft shale Jul 30, 2021, 7:22 PM

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nope

ancient peak Jul 30, 2021, 7:23 PM

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ty

astral plover Jul 30, 2021, 7:57 PM

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i think i won in wow. i got 252 Shadowgrasp totem 242 Phial 252 Tanglewood Thron. Chaos bane and blood 50% dmg shard.

fresh kernel Jul 30, 2021, 7:59 PM

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is combat the easiest rogue spec for torghast/

alpine latch Jul 30, 2021, 8:00 PM

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I've heard Sub is

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I know Sin sucks

astral plover Jul 30, 2021, 8:00 PM

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I love Sub

split cipher Jul 30, 2021, 8:06 PM

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shadowstrike, stealth, shadowstrike, stealth etc

tidal gorge Jul 30, 2021, 8:09 PM

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??? Sin is perfectly fine in torghast

narrow ravine Jul 30, 2021, 8:09 PM

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I have had no issue 4-5 staring torghast as sin

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there are some op anima powers in there

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just get a list of all the things you can do to get bonus points and knock them out like a checklist

misty holly Jul 30, 2021, 8:14 PM

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drifting cloud with that line of thinking youre gonna have enough ember for every gem to r5 and...

That would be safe, what if they hotfix in a rank 6. You want to have enough saved up just in case.

timid talon Jul 30, 2021, 8:14 PM

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just swap cheat for leeching and you're usually fine as sin in torghast

narrow ravine Jul 30, 2021, 8:15 PM

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3 weeks an the game has not dropped a dom helmet for me, so I am just going all in on frost set and not waiting for unholy anymore

timid talon Jul 30, 2021, 8:15 PM

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yeah i still dont have shoulders lol

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using the 230 crafted right now while everything else is 239+

gentle gyro Jul 30, 2021, 8:22 PM

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same, for both

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no headpiece, no shoulder

paper blaze Jul 30, 2021, 8:26 PM

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venthyr is still our best cov?

narrow ravine Jul 30, 2021, 8:27 PM

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~best~ we don't know the meaning of the word

gentle gyro Jul 30, 2021, 8:27 PM

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depends on what you mean by best.

paper blaze Jul 30, 2021, 8:27 PM

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terms of dps for raid/m+

gentle gyro Jul 30, 2021, 8:28 PM

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well and therein lies the problem

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there is no single best for all of em

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long answer short, pins

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venthyr is slightly ahead for st

narrow ravine Jul 30, 2021, 8:29 PM

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id say overall necro is still the optimal choice because its right behind venthyr at ST and above them on any amount of adds

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:29 PM

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"right behind"

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peepostudy

narrow ravine Jul 30, 2021, 8:29 PM

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either way its so minor, play what you want

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bis sims single target venthyr 11531 vs necro 11282

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its right behind

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Necro is oversimming slightly though

narrow ravine Jul 30, 2021, 8:31 PM

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bugs that will be fixed and no one is doing the sim dps anyway

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both are rounding errors in the grand scheme of things

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:31 PM

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peepostudy

silk valley Jul 30, 2021, 8:31 PM

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About 3% is not right behind tbh

subtle tundra Jul 30, 2021, 8:31 PM

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its significant enough to notice

narrow ravine Jul 30, 2021, 8:32 PM

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2.1% sir

drifting cloud Jul 30, 2021, 8:32 PM

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dont forget to remove gems and enchant its all rounding errors

silk valley Jul 30, 2021, 8:32 PM

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narrow ravine 2.1% sir

3% if the oversiming cause of the bug

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:32 PM

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well the bug exists

silk valley Jul 30, 2021, 8:32 PM

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I mean i played both and i feel venthyr is so much better but thats just personal opnion

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:32 PM

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its not like we know the bug will be fixed instantly

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it takes them time to fix it

silk valley Jul 30, 2021, 8:33 PM

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Probably will never be fixed knowing blizzard

narrow ravine Jul 30, 2021, 8:33 PM

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I am enjoying having more than 1 build that is doing well, and not one doing significantly more than everything else for a change

silk valley Jul 30, 2021, 8:33 PM

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narrow ravine I am enjoying having more than 1 build that is doing well, and not one doing sig...

Yeah i feel you rouge is in a good place unless ur nightfae lol

narrow ravine Jul 30, 2021, 8:34 PM

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all 4 covs are above 11k sim dps so I call that a win, never seen blizzard balance anything this close before

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even night fae

tidal gorge Jul 30, 2021, 8:37 PM

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What is a rouge. You heathen.

narrow ravine Jul 30, 2021, 8:37 PM

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hes a red, we are all red

gentle gyro Jul 30, 2021, 8:37 PM

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if nothing else, I like the venthyr ability better than the others

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not sure why but when you press flag it actually feels like something

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also pretty good for ae

buoyant bay Jul 30, 2021, 8:40 PM

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New to Sin rogue. Do we hold flagellation for vendetta?

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:41 PM

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#assassination-faq

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 8:49 PM

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narrow ravine all 4 covs are above 11k sim dps so I call that a win, never seen blizzard balan...

Even Night Fae is fine I think, especially if you weigh in that it has the most valuable cov ability for raid with soul shape

timid talon Jul 30, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Id rule out kyrian because it feels bad to play

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:49 PM

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idk about that

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as a rogue

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soulshape this tier

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isnt THAT good

iron vigil Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 PM

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What legendary is everyone using?

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 PM

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No it isnt that good

vestal wren Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 PM

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i miss soulshape

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 PM

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door is very valuable this tier

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 PM

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But for raid still better than door and w/e kyrian has

vestal wren Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 PM

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door of shadows is meh

timid talon Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 PM

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shy dust door is very valuable this tier

ive only used door for mythic painsmith

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 PM

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door feels good this tier

timid talon Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 PM

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nothing else

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Wtf u use door for

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Kyrian pot is good for sylvanas

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:50 PM

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movement

timid talon Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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the only fight it has any value on is mythic painsmith lol

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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no

gloomy fern Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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door very good for veils on sylvanas, bridges, skip painsmith wall

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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why would you need door

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on painsmith

azure carbon Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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Door is good imo. It feels awful to use though.

timid talon Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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???

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the wall that has no gaps?

gloomy fern Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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can step

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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youre a rogue

gloomy fern Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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but yes

timid talon Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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im not saying its needed

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but

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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you just leach out people

timid talon Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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its safer than stepping if you dont trust your raiders lol

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:51 PM

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who can do it

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no its not

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just step someone who crossed

fervent rune Jul 30, 2021, 8:52 PM

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buoyant bay New to Sin rogue. Do we hold flagellation for vendetta?

No use on CD unless it’s towards end of fight and won’t lose a cast of it

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 8:52 PM

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its free

tidal gorge Jul 30, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Door would be a lot better if its cast time was half as long

soft shale Jul 30, 2021, 8:52 PM

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yea save door for ball+trap overlaps

solar flicker Jul 30, 2021, 8:52 PM

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step your lock’s imp PepeLaugh

ionic vault Jul 30, 2021, 8:52 PM

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT Jul 30, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 8:52 PM

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solar flicker step your lock’s imp <:PepeLaugh:635556040137768961>

Always do

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👌🏼

fervent rune Jul 30, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Still no dom helm from any difficulty

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Got to love rng

iron vigil Jul 30, 2021, 8:55 PM

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What legendary is everyone using?

solid venture Jul 30, 2021, 8:55 PM

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Doomblade peepoyes

iron vigil Jul 30, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Thats my highest sim but I thought Obedience was suppose to be better

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Thanks

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 8:57 PM

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Doomblade

timid talon Jul 30, 2021, 8:57 PM

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obedience is slightly better when you get a lot of gear

velvet cairn Jul 30, 2021, 8:57 PM

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isnt kyrian legendary good?

solid venture Jul 30, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Not for sin

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Pretty good on outlaw

velvet cairn Jul 30, 2021, 8:58 PM

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whats sin, noob wow player here

solid venture Jul 30, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Assassination

velvet cairn Jul 30, 2021, 8:59 PM

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so doomblade it is?

solid venture Jul 30, 2021, 8:59 PM

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You should sim ur character to be sure but if you're necrolord, you defo go doomblade

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:00 PM

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It’s one of the 2 or 3 raid choices for a legendary yes

velvet cairn Jul 30, 2021, 9:00 PM

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i am a kyrian, what do u think is good then?

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:00 PM

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To swap to venthyr or necro kekw

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But as kyrian I’d say Doomblade

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But check the pins for sims and guides

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT Jul 30, 2021, 9:01 PM

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Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

velvet cairn Jul 30, 2021, 9:01 PM

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alright, thanks a lot!

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:02 PM

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And for m+ Zoldyck seems good for Kyrian I think

winter vapor Jul 30, 2021, 9:03 PM

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any fights people are taking CT over PB as necro doomblade?

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:04 PM

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Ye

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I do it on the Nine, Soulrender, Fatescribe, KT and Sylvanas

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Depends on ypur raid team

placid dawn Jul 30, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Wouñdnt take it on Sylv, its better to just ST blast the big ads

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:06 PM

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On kt i run pb cuz im on the add phase so sgt it is

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On the nine ran pb and went well :D

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Ofc it can go well

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But CT is the better choice for more dps

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:07 PM

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The only figjht ct is really good is on soulrender

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 9:07 PM

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its more dps

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but still less for the other half of the fight

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it is a minor loss though

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Pls don’t overestimate pb

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Especially on a moving boss

ornate lake Jul 30, 2021, 9:08 PM

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half quarry The only figjht ct is really good is on soulrender

Lol pb is only marginally better than CT. When bosses stand still.
Imagine movement

shy dust Jul 30, 2021, 9:08 PM

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i dont think anything i said overestimated it

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Nah was more in respnae to Motme who said ct is only really good on Soulrender

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While it’s a solid choice on a lot of bosses

ornate lake Jul 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Yeah. Completely agree with Oz here.

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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I said depends on your raid team also

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:10 PM

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But even when you’re assigned with st damage ur safe to run it

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Because it’s only a litte bit behind pb and it helps on aoe

ornate lake Jul 30, 2021, 9:10 PM

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How does it depend on ur raid team?

zinc frost Jul 30, 2021, 9:11 PM

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Swapping to CT on sylvanas was the best move

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:11 PM

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I’d say so

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Can’t imagine why u wont on Sylvanas tbh

ornate lake Jul 30, 2021, 9:11 PM

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CT, more dps with multiple targets or/and more dps when targets moves.

winter vapor Jul 30, 2021, 9:12 PM

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cheers all

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:12 PM

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What de koekenpan says

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Eh steelpan

ornate lake Jul 30, 2021, 9:12 PM

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Hahaha

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:12 PM

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feelsloveman

ornate lake Jul 30, 2021, 9:12 PM

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Dankjewel

signal brook Jul 30, 2021, 9:13 PM

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yo guys im simming 300 dps more with frost set than unholy, still stick it with unholy or switch?

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:14 PM

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signal brook yo guys im simming 300 dps more with frost set than unholy, still stick it with ...

Wait and see if they fix frost in game it’s supposedly simming higher than it actually performs in game

ornate lake Jul 30, 2021, 9:14 PM

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signal brook yo guys im simming 300 dps more with frost set than unholy, still stick it with ...

Depends on what ur plan is with upgrading shards. Unh pulls ahead if you havw the shades on the same level.

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(Sorry the typos, on phone)

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:15 PM

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Check the first pinned message in pins

narrow ravine Jul 30, 2021, 9:15 PM

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I got tired of waiting for the rng in this game to allow me to get a helm with a socket

ornate lake Jul 30, 2021, 9:15 PM

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hollow river Wait and see if they fix frost in game it’s supposedly simming higher than it ac...

Think blizz already said they ain't nerfing unh set. So you can upgrade it

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:16 PM

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ornate lake Think blizz already said they ain't nerfing unh set. So you can upgrade it

It’s not about nerfing

vestal wren Jul 30, 2021, 9:16 PM

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monkahmm what if blizz fixes or even buffs frost

soft shale Jul 30, 2021, 9:16 PM

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we become 51% crit gamers

ornate lake Jul 30, 2021, 9:16 PM

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vestal wren <:monkahmm:585734084571955211> what if blizz fixes or even buffs frost

What if what if.....

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:16 PM

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What if they fix necro bug

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:16 PM

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Frost r5 with dashing already beats unholy in sims

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But sims are higher for frost then in game

vestal wren Jul 30, 2021, 9:17 PM

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fallen arch What if they fix necro bug

would be very good indeed

soft shale Jul 30, 2021, 9:17 PM

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or poison bug

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or making envenom work with zoldyck

vestal wren Jul 30, 2021, 9:17 PM

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no, keep the poison bug

ornate lake Jul 30, 2021, 9:17 PM

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hollow river Frost r5 with dashing already beats unholy in sims

This was fixed already they aren't nerfing unh set.

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:17 PM

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You’re misunderstanding

fallen arch Jul 30, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Dont really care about that poison bug, doesn’t affect my gameplay

vestal wren Jul 30, 2021, 9:17 PM

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without poison bug we might run into sin beating sub on pure st sims

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:17 PM

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I’m not talking about nerfs

odd hazel Jul 30, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Sim bait watch out

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:17 PM

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What I’m saying was true pre nerf

soft shale Jul 30, 2021, 9:18 PM

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not when the real chad frost set sub comes to town

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all profiles have dog crit

vestal wren Jul 30, 2021, 9:18 PM

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soft shale not when the real chad frost set sub comes to town

well this is with frost/unholy, whatever sims better for each

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so poison bug gone and sin is just 100-200 dps ahead of sub

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(under the assumption frost set will be fixed too)

soft shale Jul 30, 2021, 9:19 PM

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only sad thing about frost is its only st

charred wraith Jul 30, 2021, 9:19 PM

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was poison bug with rap and gar fixed?

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:19 PM

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charred wraith was poison bug with rap and gar fixed?

No

charred wraith Jul 30, 2021, 9:20 PM

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Sadge

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:21 PM

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ornate lake This was fixed already they aren't nerfing unh set.

Frost was beating unholy with the right profile before the nerfs were a thing so were waiting to see if they fix a bug with frost or even buff it Tuesday.

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Hey gamers anyone have a PI table??

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:23 PM

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half quarry Hey gamers anyone have a PI table??

Pinned in general

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:23 PM

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Thx

ornate lake Jul 30, 2021, 9:23 PM

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hollow river Frost was beating unholy *with the right profile* ***before the nerfs were a thi...

I've never seen any information like that. But ofcourse you can build that route. Atm I'm on 36% crit and unh is still ahead.

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:24 PM

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ornate lake I've never seen any information like that. But ofcourse you can build that route...

Read the pins. It’s with Dashing Scoundrel leggo.

ornate lake Jul 30, 2021, 9:26 PM

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To my understanding that was the information when unh was getting nerfed, but they reversed that now (that's why it's crossed out in pins).
Again, didn't know any info like that prior to unh nerf.

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Blood mallets sims higher tier of frost sets better

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Yeah I mean unless they buff frost or fix it in game idk if many people will run it anyway

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Also its really good on aoe add cleave

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:27 PM

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But I know of a few who already run it

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:27 PM

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I ran it last night

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Its decent

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:27 PM

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Bloodmallet is also simming with the unbugged frost

cobalt pelican Jul 30, 2021, 9:27 PM

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the frost shit was posted before any nerfs existed, but before any fixes were pushed

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:27 PM

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It’s not procing as much in game atm afaik

cobalt pelican Jul 30, 2021, 9:27 PM

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so it was like a 'maybe, lol' thing

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:28 PM

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XD

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Whats the bug??

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:28 PM

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I just said

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Lol

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Bugs*

red plaza Jul 30, 2021, 9:28 PM

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!pb

prisma monolithBOT Jul 30, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Also the poison one XD

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:29 PM

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The command^

half quarry Jul 30, 2021, 9:29 PM

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Ahhh thx

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:29 PM

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cobalt pelican so it was like a 'maybe, lol' thing

But if they buff frost o.o

cobalt pelican Jul 30, 2021, 9:29 PM

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if they buff it and make it work properly

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:29 PM

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Would be nuttybutty

cobalt pelican Jul 30, 2021, 9:29 PM

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it'll likely be ahead by a decent margin

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:30 PM

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True

cobalt pelican Jul 30, 2021, 9:30 PM

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enough that you'd be willing to drop aoe gains

hollow river Jul 30, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Yep

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I’m just chillin anyway until I find another guild to trial with

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Failed my first trial ever due to low dps because no unholy set and everyone else in raid had it basically

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Got the 3rd shard that same day 2ez

dull cloak Jul 30, 2021, 9:35 PM

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frost was the first set i got so ive tried it for a week before switching to unholy. It does around the same damage overall as flag as sub, and i ran around 35% crit at the time

dusk mason Jul 30, 2021, 9:35 PM

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hey guys. do you ever use crimson tempest on single target ? or only envenom ?

red plaza Jul 30, 2021, 9:36 PM

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CT outside of evenom windows

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Also faq #assassination-faq message

gloomy fern Jul 30, 2021, 9:38 PM

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its shiv

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not envenom

red plaza Jul 30, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Sorry yeah shiv windows

prisma cypress Jul 30, 2021, 9:52 PM

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do you guys do +30 stats or eternal skirmish to chest

limber lion Jul 30, 2021, 9:52 PM

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Skirmish

winged basin Jul 30, 2021, 9:54 PM

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I accidently fell asleep through the first half of raid this week and missed fate kill, and trying to prog heroic fate

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makes me sad

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I just want my helm man

scenic jetty Jul 30, 2021, 9:54 PM

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any good chaos bane weak aura tracking ?

ionic vault Jul 30, 2021, 9:55 PM

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whats the opener on boss fight?

limber lion Jul 30, 2021, 9:55 PM

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ionic vault whats the opener on boss fight?

With which talents and covenant?

ionic vault Jul 30, 2021, 9:55 PM

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venthyr, master assassin

limber lion Jul 30, 2021, 9:55 PM

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Guides cover those pretty well, but

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DS or Vigor

ionic vault Jul 30, 2021, 9:55 PM

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vigor

limber lion Jul 30, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Muti - Snd - Muti - Gar - Flag - Rup - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti

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Every time.

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The only thing that might change is the Env after the Vanish. Only Env if you're at 4-5 CP

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If you're super unlucky and sit at 3, use another Muti.

prisma cypress Jul 30, 2021, 9:58 PM

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is it really better to shiv-vanish-muti-env than to mut, pool for shiv, then shiv-vanish-env

icy dock Jul 30, 2021, 9:59 PM

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if i need a specific wing in torghast for my lego, do i have to wait if the wing is not up or do they just drop in every wing now

winged basin Jul 30, 2021, 9:59 PM

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do not pool during shiv/vendetta windows

limber lion Jul 30, 2021, 10:04 PM

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prisma cypress is it really better to shiv-vanish-muti-env than to mut, pool for shiv, then shi...

You just slam everything during cooldowns (Shiv, Vend)

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you don't pool during them

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also you should be slamming shiv as much as possible on cooldown

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holding it is a loss.

prisma cypress Jul 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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what if you delay vendetta until you're done pooling for shiv

limber lion Jul 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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no.

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Also, it's better to Muti - Env - Muti

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It's more combo points which translates to more damage

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and more Envenoms

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Well, honestly

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it doesn't matter.

prisma cypress Jul 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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3cp envenoms?

limber lion Jul 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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As long as you press it when it's ready.

prisma cypress Jul 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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eww

limber lion Jul 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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No.

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You don't do 3cp envenoms..........

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I literally said previously

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that you mutilate again

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if you're at 3

somber hill Jul 30, 2021, 10:06 PM

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@limber lion are u sticking w unh/DB or moving to frost/Dash?

limber lion Jul 30, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Unh/DB

proud yacht Jul 30, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Does vendetta increase the dmg of flag? ie should I ever cast vendetta right before flag or macro them together to get a dmg increase on the initial lashes?

somber hill Jul 30, 2021, 10:07 PM

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ya i think that makes sense too

limber lion Jul 30, 2021, 10:07 PM

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proud yacht Does vendetta increase the dmg of flag? ie should I ever cast vendetta right bef...

It does, but you shouldn't.

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You use use Vendetta after Rupture

proud yacht Jul 30, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Ok thanks a ton

drifting cloud Jul 30, 2021, 10:08 PM

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but my muscle memory cev

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PepeHands

potent rune Jul 30, 2021, 10:22 PM

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is there a bis/sim list for trinkets for us?

indigo mulch Jul 30, 2021, 10:23 PM

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bis?

zinc frost Jul 30, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Blood mallet

indigo mulch Jul 30, 2021, 10:23 PM

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The one from guardian

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and phial

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pretty sure

gloomy ridge Jul 30, 2021, 10:39 PM

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is doomblade still best single target leggo?

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 10:44 PM

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sim yourself

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there's 3 viable options all seemingly within 20-80 dps of each other depending on your setup

lone wren Jul 30, 2021, 10:45 PM

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potent rune is there a bis/sim list for trinkets for us?

aside from the two mentioned shadowgrasp totem is very very good too but ideal trinket set up imo is phial/guardian one

idle star Jul 30, 2021, 10:46 PM

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I only have a 226 phial... im being removed from heroic raid night before painsmith cos they are tsking only mythic team after that

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226 guardian trink*

charred wraith Jul 30, 2021, 10:46 PM

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iqd is still amazing and immo its very good on some fights in raid

potent rune Jul 30, 2021, 10:46 PM

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ticking sack trinket does more for me than phial

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 10:48 PM

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make sure you sim ticking sack becaues yes it does more damage but you dont get the ~100 agi which is 3x more valuable than mastery

drifting cloud Jul 30, 2021, 10:48 PM

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cool now account for all the dps you lose going agi to mastery

azure bronze Jul 30, 2021, 10:49 PM

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potent rune ticking sack trinket does more for me than phial

But ticking doesn't have main stat

potent rune Jul 30, 2021, 10:49 PM

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@slow marsh @lone wren ty

drifting cloud Jul 30, 2021, 10:49 PM

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but yeah sac can highroll aswell which alot of other trinkets cant

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Sack is good for sure. I wish I had one right now. But I wish I had a phial more

rancid pier Jul 30, 2021, 11:28 PM

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For ST its phantom fire and which weapon oils?

mental trout Jul 30, 2021, 11:29 PM

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!oils

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lol damn it doesnt work for me haha

rancid pier Jul 30, 2021, 11:29 PM

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!oild

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!oils

thorny pond Jul 30, 2021, 11:30 PM

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!oil

prisma monolithBOT Jul 30, 2021, 11:30 PM

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Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

thorny pond Jul 30, 2021, 11:30 PM

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No plural bois

mental trout Jul 30, 2021, 11:30 PM

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Fuck plural

thorny pond Jul 30, 2021, 11:30 PM

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That’s ableist

crystal totem Jul 30, 2021, 11:38 PM

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Seeing as how bone spike is bugged, is it worth switching over to venthyr for semi hardcore raiding and keys?

limber lion Jul 30, 2021, 11:39 PM

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Yes.

idle star Jul 30, 2021, 11:41 PM

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Flag is bae. It does a good 10-15% of my dmg after 2 full rotations

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Wtb flag with heirmer

idle star Jul 30, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Meanwhile BM hunters NF ability is their top dmg

graceful mirage Jul 30, 2021, 11:44 PM

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VVenthyr is love, Venthyr is life

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join us in the gothboi club

versed mica Jul 30, 2021, 11:45 PM

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I was venthyr before it was cool

tardy steppe Jul 30, 2021, 11:47 PM

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is painsmiths fist weapon good ?

thorny pond Jul 30, 2021, 11:47 PM

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tardy steppe is painsmiths fist weapon good ?

For sin? No

versed mica Jul 30, 2021, 11:48 PM

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For outlaw yes, for sub it might be good in oh, but I think two sylv daggs still beat for sub

tardy steppe Jul 30, 2021, 11:48 PM

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whoops wrong channel

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thx

thorny pond Jul 30, 2021, 11:48 PM

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versed mica For outlaw yes, for sub it might be good in oh, but I think two sylv daggs still...

No.

neon thunder Jul 30, 2021, 11:48 PM

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT Jul 30, 2021, 11:48 PM

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Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

thorny pond Jul 30, 2021, 11:48 PM

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STech procs are more important than some weapon skill

versed mica Jul 30, 2021, 11:50 PM

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Wym

strange python Jul 30, 2021, 11:51 PM

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for weapon enchant is both sin?

thorny pond Jul 30, 2021, 11:52 PM

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Sub will never not use 2 daggers

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Unless you have 1 really trash dagger at like 183

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And then the H painsmith weapon drops, sure

slow marsh Jul 30, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Shadow techniques is good. So yes never slow offhand.

rapid flame Jul 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-shards-of-domination-set-bonus-buffs-on-next-weekly-reset-323614

Wowhead

Upcoming Shards of Domination Set Bonus Buffs on Next Weekly Reset

Blizzard has announced that the Blood and Frost Set Bonuses for Shards of Domination will be getting some large buffs on the next weekly reset!

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frost set getting buffed 45%

granite thistle Jul 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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Ok theory crafters. Shit just got changed. What are we doing

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You have exactly 2min before everyone here loses their shit

pure raptor Jul 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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XD

near raft Jul 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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lol

ebon notch Jul 31, 2021, 12:14 AM

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ticking sack of terrors nerfedd

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ahhahahaha

granite thistle Jul 31, 2021, 12:14 AM

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FUCK

lavish lichen Jul 31, 2021, 12:15 AM

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lone wren it's silly to try to play the guessing game and sit on your resources

👀👀 you see the upcoming buffs

fading mason Jul 31, 2021, 12:15 AM

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jes

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 12:16 AM

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lavish lichen 👀👀 you see the upcoming buffs

Not yet, let me Google it

fading mason Jul 31, 2021, 12:16 AM

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dashing snowman giga bis ?

lavish lichen Jul 31, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Just scroll 10 lines lol

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 12:17 AM

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That's a big buff

green basin Jul 31, 2021, 12:17 AM

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https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-shards-of-domination-set-bonus-buffs-on-next-weekly-reset-323614

Wowhead

Upcoming Shards of Domination Set Bonus Buffs on Next Weekly Reset

Blizzard has announced that the Blood and Frost Set Bonuses for Shards of Domination will be getting some large buffs on the next weekly reset!

reef axle Jul 31, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Just spent 100k on obedience…………….

naive obsidian Jul 31, 2021, 12:17 AM

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granite thistle You have exactly 2min before everyone here loses their shit

I don't have that kind of time to spare them, 30 seconds or nothing

lavish lichen Jul 31, 2021, 12:17 AM

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It’s legit the same shit lol

reef axle Jul 31, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Oh well guess it’s more versatile….

lavish lichen Jul 31, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Like now you basically got fucked over if the buffs changed what is best for your spec

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But doesn’t feel as bad I guess

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Who cares in 2 weeks we will have both anyway

fading mason Jul 31, 2021, 12:18 AM

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good thing i startet upgrading frost gems

lavish lichen Jul 31, 2021, 12:19 AM

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Hopefully yea

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 12:19 AM

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My original opinion remains the same. It's best to upgrade and not sit on stuff

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And should things change we change and roll with it

fair void Jul 31, 2021, 12:19 AM

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so with the frost buff do we have to switch to necro? or am i just dumb?

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 12:20 AM

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From what I read venthyr will be best for frost

fair void Jul 31, 2021, 12:20 AM

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then i am just dumb

thorny pond Jul 31, 2021, 12:20 AM

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Dashing Frost High crit venthyr

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Hhhnnnnggggg

little moth Jul 31, 2021, 12:21 AM

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i got 40% crit

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i am ready

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COPIUM

fading mason Jul 31, 2021, 12:21 AM

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Stonks

little moth Jul 31, 2021, 12:21 AM

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inb4 outlaw becomes the highest simming spec in the game

fair void Jul 31, 2021, 12:22 AM

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little moth i got 40% crit

damn i only got 30%

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:23 AM

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outlaw is good for m+

limber lion Jul 31, 2021, 12:24 AM

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New Domination Shard Set buffs:

With these new buffs to the blood and mainly frost sets, it is looking more and more likely that we will be using the frost set with the Dashing Scoundrel legendary, especially for single target encounters. It is already pulling ahead at r4 with Doomblade for some profiles, even more so with r5 gems and Dashing Scoundrel.

You can sim the frost set yourself using https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear. Just remember to equip the Dashing Scoundrel legendary and toggle the "Replace existing gems/enchants" option. Do note that it is still quite a niche build, so make sure to sim yourself for multiple encounters, ie. Patchwork, 2-targets, cleave, 6 target target dummy 40s and Dungeon Slice.

**NOTE: The frost set requires a high shard rank and a lot of crit to work so well. With current gear, it is still likely that unholy might sim better for you, just because of lower crit levels, lower set ranks and whatnot. ALWAYS sim yourself before making any hasty decisions. **

limber lion Jul 31, 2021, 12:24 AM

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limber lion **New Domination Shard Set buffs:** With these new buffs to the blood and mainl...

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Cev

proven moth Jul 31, 2021, 12:26 AM

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where's whyspir ;w;

limber lion Jul 31, 2021, 12:26 AM

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What's up

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Whispyr sleeping. Cev here to control us ookers in the meantime

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We <3 you

proven moth Jul 31, 2021, 12:26 AM

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peperogue

thorny pond Jul 31, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Cev secretly r6 dashing and max frost set already

heavy coral Jul 31, 2021, 12:27 AM

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proven moth <:peperogue:653642566692241429>

peperogue

limber lion Jul 31, 2021, 12:28 AM

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HojLove

heavy coral Jul 31, 2021, 12:28 AM

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Im actually happy that ive been that lazy and i didnt get enough cinders for rank 6 leggo

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OkayChamp

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:29 AM

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I honestly just want frost scoundrel to be good so I don't have to play sub, exclusively because theotar BLOWS

bleak sky Jul 31, 2021, 12:29 AM

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god fucking dammit

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:30 AM

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The June 18 galaxy brain

thorny pond Jul 31, 2021, 12:30 AM

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strange python I honestly just want frost scoundrel to be good so I don't have to play sub, exc...

I screwed around with it Tuesday. It plays so smooth

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Obviously shit damage

simple rivet Jul 31, 2021, 12:30 AM

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frost and DS were arguably better than unholy before the nerfs. Won't this huge buff automatically make frost the go to?

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:30 AM

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simple rivet frost and DS were arguably better than unholy before the nerfs. Won't this huge ...

They were bugged so no, but presuming bugfixes go live possibly

cobalt pelican Jul 31, 2021, 12:31 AM

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in a st environment unholy is likely to be the worst

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:31 AM

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Pins, not up yet

nocturne geode Jul 31, 2021, 12:31 AM

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frost and dashing pog

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xD

thorny pond Jul 31, 2021, 12:31 AM

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In all reality most people already crafted a high rank leggo, + nad isn’t max till next week

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:31 AM

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I'm not sure why there's been people saying that the frost damage can proc at bad times, given that unholys proc is equally obnoxious

limber lion Jul 31, 2021, 12:31 AM

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I don't think unholy will be the worst

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But definitely worse than frost.

thorny pond Jul 31, 2021, 12:31 AM

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Plenty of time to farm embers and lego

limber lion Jul 31, 2021, 12:32 AM

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No doubt about it.

gloomy fern Jul 31, 2021, 12:32 AM

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i thought i saw a post from mr cev, safe to upgrade hmmge

heavy coral Jul 31, 2021, 12:32 AM

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Soooo, we will need a shit ton of crit now

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:32 AM

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Good thing I already have 42% :)

fair void Jul 31, 2021, 12:32 AM

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good thing i didn't craft a rank 6 legendary yet

nocturne geode Jul 31, 2021, 12:32 AM

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same

little moth Jul 31, 2021, 12:32 AM

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whats the best layer to farm soul ash

nocturne geode Jul 31, 2021, 12:33 AM

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7 imo

heavy coral Jul 31, 2021, 12:33 AM

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Shame that i changed my stats, dropped crit from 37% to 29% PB_happy

fleet echo Jul 31, 2021, 12:33 AM

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9, so you can do vaults also.

little moth Jul 31, 2021, 12:33 AM

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with all my stuff crit i have like 44% lmaoooo

bleak sky Jul 31, 2021, 12:33 AM

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31% crit sadge

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 12:33 AM

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I'm at exactly 1000 crit rating

cosmic prism Jul 31, 2021, 12:34 AM

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fair void good thing i didn't craft a rank 6 legendary yet

by the time you get the embers to upgrade your frost set you'll have the cinders anyway

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:34 AM

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ds will be better then doomblade?

versed mica Jul 31, 2021, 12:34 AM

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Possibly. Depends on the buffs and how they sim

fair void Jul 31, 2021, 12:34 AM

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bleak sky 31% crit <:sadge:732169461699969034>

i feel you bro

heavy coral Jul 31, 2021, 12:35 AM

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Tiny toxic blade bis when

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FatMad

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:35 AM

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Never

subtle tundra Jul 31, 2021, 12:35 AM

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39% crit, just upgraded yesterday my unholy set 🙂

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🙂

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🙂

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:35 AM

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They should give embers refunds (but they won't)

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 12:36 AM

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soon embers wont even matter

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so its ok to me

mental trout Jul 31, 2021, 12:36 AM

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39% crit da fuqqq

mental trout Jul 31, 2021, 12:36 AM

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subtle tundra 39% crit, just upgraded yesterday my unholy set 🙂

how much haste do you have then?

nocturne geode Jul 31, 2021, 12:36 AM

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next wee we get last trait

subtle tundra Jul 31, 2021, 12:37 AM

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upper wedge soon embers wont even matter

soon as in 2 months??

nocturne geode Jul 31, 2021, 12:37 AM

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so 20% more crit

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CAP

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:37 AM

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mental trout how much haste do you have then?

In raw stats I have 1200 crit and 500 haste. 200 vers, 40 mastery.

mental trout Jul 31, 2021, 12:37 AM

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Ohh the color of my name has changed to yellow? whats that about?

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:37 AM

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Roughly. Servers fucked so can't confirm ATM

copper sundial Jul 31, 2021, 12:37 AM

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well then

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:37 AM

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You picked outlaw

copper sundial Jul 31, 2021, 12:37 AM

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im one of those unlucky guys who only has a frost set

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welcome news

nocturne geode Jul 31, 2021, 12:38 AM

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not unlucky now

mental trout Jul 31, 2021, 12:38 AM

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1200 crit and and 500 haste!? whats your ilvl?

heavy coral Jul 31, 2021, 12:38 AM

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Imagine not having all shards by now KEKWait

copper sundial Jul 31, 2021, 12:38 AM

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its the helm that i dont have actually

reef axle Jul 31, 2021, 12:39 AM

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I have frost set too, but I already spent everything on obedience…..

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:39 AM

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mental trout 1200 crit and and 500 haste!? whats your ilvl?

That's not that high considering how low my vers and mast are.

cobalt pelican Jul 31, 2021, 12:39 AM

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rn the difference between unholy4 and blood4 on my profile is ~190 dps and a 20% buff to blood r4 pushes it up ~153 dps

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so i guess you're right it'd still be a smidge behind unholy

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which is.. kinda good?

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 12:40 AM

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Venthyr simd higher than necrolord for single target yet all the top sin parses are necrolords on most fights

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 12:40 AM

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the bug fix to frost helps too

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but they cant fix sbs

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:40 AM

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lone wren Venthyr simd higher than necrolord for single target yet all the top sin parses ...

Many fights have adds

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 12:40 AM

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Don't freak out over 2-3% Sim differences...focus on playing the core of your spec well

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 12:41 AM

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If I'm playing sin I'm playing to maximize single target/two target damage, since that's my job. Idgaf about how high the rank is

mental trout Jul 31, 2021, 12:42 AM

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As of yesterday i had all the shards. 9/9, was drunk, just got my unholy set, finished up raid and it was like 1AM. Just got the frost set complete and socketed 2 bosses before i completed my Unholy set. Make a long story short I know have my unholy set in my Gear but now have 8/9 shards. Dont Drink and Shard my guys.

subtle tundra Jul 31, 2021, 12:42 AM

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there are addons so this doesnt happen:)

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 12:43 AM

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strange python If I'm playing sin I'm playing to maximize single target/two target damage, sinc...

But you said most fights have adds, so are you benching yourself with that logic? :p

mental trout Jul 31, 2021, 12:44 AM

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The best part is, while i was putting my unholy shards in i swear to god, i was making fun of people who deleted their shards. "how dumb do you have to be to overwrite a shard"

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3 mins later my dumb ass goes, wtf where did my frost shard go over disc. Every one cracks up.

shut garnet Jul 31, 2021, 12:44 AM

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lone wren But you said most fights have adds, so are you benching yourself with that logic...

no, because even if the fight has 100 adds you're there to ST

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just because a fight has adds doesnt mean you'd optimise for pad

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thats not why assarogues are brought to a raid kek

simple rivet Jul 31, 2021, 12:45 AM

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subtle tundra soon as in 2 months??

2 months out of a 16 month tier will hardly matter 😂

mental trout Jul 31, 2021, 12:45 AM

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shut garnet no, because even if the fight has 100 adds you're there to ST

on prog for sure, farm we do dmg!

zinc frost Jul 31, 2021, 12:45 AM

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I upgraded my unholy shards, but boy am I keen to be able to run a new leggo

subtle tundra Jul 31, 2021, 12:45 AM

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simple rivet 2 months out of a 16 month tier will hardly matter 😂

it matters cause sylvanas prog is in ~1 month

simple rivet Jul 31, 2021, 12:46 AM

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was being sarcastic

drifting cloud Jul 31, 2021, 12:46 AM

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its 3 weeks to upgrade a set from 0 to r4

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fyi

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 12:47 AM

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shut garnet no, because even if the fight has 100 adds you're there to ST

For that logic to apply your single target damage has to be significantly higher...which I'd not the case right now. Specially doesn't apply when we are discussing 2-3% differences

shut garnet Jul 31, 2021, 12:48 AM

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what are you talking about? rogue is legit doing the most ST in the game right now?

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are we playing the same game?

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 12:48 AM

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Please read the discussion before responding to it

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No one here was comparing the rogue class to other classes

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Not sure what you are responding to

shut garnet Jul 31, 2021, 12:49 AM

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im just pointing out this makes no sense because if a fight has adds it doesnt automatically just mean u default to optimise to that, theres plenty of fights with adds where u still want the most optimal single target

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dunno why thats confusing

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 12:50 AM

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Scroll up and read the full discussion

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I was talking about venthyr being 2-3% higher on st than necrolord

cobalt pelican Jul 31, 2021, 12:52 AM

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is r4 the 30 cost ones

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maybe i can get next week if i'm a good boy

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i still have embers to farm this week

nocturne geode Jul 31, 2021, 12:53 AM

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i believe in you

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your a good boi

drifting cloud Jul 31, 2021, 12:54 AM

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cobalt pelican is r4 the 30 cost ones

ye 5-15-30

zinc agate Jul 31, 2021, 12:56 AM

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I see from the book of Shadows pin that you can cloak the dragging chains on the Eye, does it still pull everybody else in? Do I need to move out before cloaking etc

red plaza Jul 31, 2021, 1:04 AM

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IIRC you don’t want to cloak the chain as it’ll just go on someone else delaying the drag in

timid talon Jul 31, 2021, 1:09 AM

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I believe it just recasts

karmic tusk Jul 31, 2021, 1:14 AM

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bleak sky god fucking dammit

Big rip but so funny you called that

fading mason Jul 31, 2021, 1:17 AM

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What the best way to get embers?

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 1:17 AM

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best way?

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wat

civic yoke Jul 31, 2021, 1:17 AM

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Do weekly, raid... that's pretty much it, isn't it? 😄

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 1:17 AM

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Mythic raid clear and you're set

timid talon Jul 31, 2021, 1:18 AM

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mythic raid is only 10 more embers than clearing heroic so it wont change too much

simple rivet Jul 31, 2021, 1:19 AM

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10 from the korthia weekly too

steep gust Jul 31, 2021, 1:22 AM

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Are there particular bosses this raid where sin is a preferred option over sub? Same with sub over sin? I enjoy playing both :)

limber lion Jul 31, 2021, 1:23 AM

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It's a lot of personal preference and what your guild needs

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Assa is a good spec for the Eye, the Nine and Sylvanas. But every other fight, Sub takes the cake.

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Sub is also really good for Sylvanas, it really depends on what you need

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I personally play Assa on every fight myself and do great.

steep gust Jul 31, 2021, 1:24 AM

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Sorry noob question but when you say "depends what you need" - like for for example

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 1:25 AM

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do you happen to know if frost will become good for sub as well or do you think unholy will remain best for sub?

limber lion Jul 31, 2021, 1:25 AM

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lone wren do you happen to know if frost will become good for sub as well or do you think ...

We can't tell yet.

lone wren Jul 31, 2021, 1:25 AM

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whats your educated guess though?

limber lion Jul 31, 2021, 1:25 AM

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steep gust Sorry noob question but when you say "depends what you need" - like for for exam...

Like if you need orb or add damage on painsmith

limber lion Jul 31, 2021, 1:25 AM

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lone wren whats your educated guess though?

You should ask about that in #subtlety

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I have no clue.

steep gust Jul 31, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Got it ty

frosty cedar Jul 31, 2021, 1:41 AM

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hi, how bad is frost on multi target? does it not do the damage stored in an aoe?

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 1:42 AM

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the proc is ST but it stores all crits aoe or otherwise

frosty cedar Jul 31, 2021, 1:43 AM

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strange, when i tested it on 2 dummies it hit both of them

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 1:43 AM

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monka

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log it

frosty cedar Jul 31, 2021, 1:43 AM

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I mean.. it might have crit?

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so it did 2x damage

cursive silo Jul 31, 2021, 1:43 AM

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are you sure it didn't hit each dummy once

frosty cedar Jul 31, 2021, 1:43 AM

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i only tested it once so thats probably it

cursive silo Jul 31, 2021, 1:43 AM

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like 1 proc on each

frosty cedar Jul 31, 2021, 1:43 AM

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well, it said it was going to do 2k damage, and it did 4 while i was standing between the two dummies

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im thinking it might just have crit

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too bad it doesnt have like, a vfx

cursive silo Jul 31, 2021, 1:44 AM

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don't you have

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details

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lol

frosty cedar Jul 31, 2021, 1:44 AM

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yea look ok im a pleb i can like do it again in a sec

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 1:44 AM

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Can you even use sets on dummies? Are there dummies in the maw?

civic yoke Jul 31, 2021, 1:45 AM

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What dummies is this?

frosty cedar Jul 31, 2021, 1:45 AM

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I used a turnip + valentines day dummy

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to do 2 dummies

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big strat

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 1:45 AM

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Ah

civic yoke Jul 31, 2021, 1:45 AM

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Ahh

restive falcon Jul 31, 2021, 1:45 AM

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how does dashing scoundrel work? what is the exact interaction to have good uptime?

granite thistle Jul 31, 2021, 1:46 AM

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Press buttons

restive falcon Jul 31, 2021, 1:46 AM

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does the envenom give you infinite posion crit?

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 1:46 AM

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Same playstyle

restive falcon Jul 31, 2021, 1:46 AM

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what is the uptime?

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once i apply the envenom, how long does the crit buff last is what i mean******

carmine prairie Jul 31, 2021, 1:47 AM

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Hello, I would like to know for MM + in assa is it more opti to play Necro or Venthyr?

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 1:47 AM

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Its your envenom buff duration

untold nest Jul 31, 2021, 1:48 AM

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@carmine prairie both are pretty good

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Play whichever u enjoy the most, very small difference tbh in keys

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kinda with sbs bugs atm id say venthyr, but i personally prefer necro cuz i like the playstyle

lavish stag Jul 31, 2021, 1:50 AM

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don't play necro if you have a choice , don't think necro will be fixed anytime soon

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lost my will to live using bonespike

near pilot Jul 31, 2021, 1:50 AM

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been gone playing warlock, is sin doing that leggo swap pre pull crap like sub is?

drifting cloud Jul 31, 2021, 1:51 AM

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nope

near pilot Jul 31, 2021, 1:51 AM

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figured, since we need vanish for MA talent

drifting cloud Jul 31, 2021, 1:51 AM

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its fixed for sin,outlaw but for some reason it still works on sub

near pilot Jul 31, 2021, 1:51 AM

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thx

carmine prairie Jul 31, 2021, 1:52 AM

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I also raid so it's better that I stay Venthyr?

untold nest Jul 31, 2021, 1:52 AM

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If u are venthyr, and u like it stay venthyr

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u wont see a massive difference in ur keys if u reroll necro. Only reason to reroll imo is if ur group needs a necrolord and already have a venthyr

carmine prairie Jul 31, 2021, 1:54 AM

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I don't like having to delay my flagell to wait for my vendetta to come back

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and I was wondering if with Zoldyck the Necro skill works?

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(sry guys for my english :/)

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 1:56 AM

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You dont hold flag

carmine prairie Jul 31, 2021, 1:57 AM

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I don't have to wait for my vandetta to use it?

untold nest Jul 31, 2021, 1:58 AM

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in a 5 min fight u are losing a flag cast if u hold to line up ?

carmine prairie Jul 31, 2021, 1:59 AM

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1

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 1:59 AM

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https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-shards-of-domination-set-bonus-buffs-on-next-weekly-reset-323614

Wowhead

Upcoming Shards of Domination Set Bonus Buffs on Next Weekly Reset

Blizzard has announced that the Blood and Frost Set Bonuses for Shards of Domination will be getting some large buffs on the next weekly reset!

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think this will change anything for us?

untold nest Jul 31, 2021, 1:59 AM

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PINS

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 1:59 AM

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Only hold if you wont lose a cast

carmine prairie Jul 31, 2021, 2:00 AM

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ok

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 2:00 AM

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oops

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ty

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 2:00 AM

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And necro is very bugged right now @carmine prairie

carmine prairie Jul 31, 2021, 2:01 AM

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okok, so i stay venthyr ! thx

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(and transmo Vent > Necro Kappa)

strange python Jul 31, 2021, 2:01 AM

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if i still wear unholy would dashing be better than mut leggo

untold nest Jul 31, 2021, 2:02 AM

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wait for them to be implemented and sim like everyone here :). Atm its all guesswork and napkin math

dark token Jul 31, 2021, 2:03 AM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gLhPa4BY99JyEDQQgQrppV
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eruCSog7TSgQVRJTLvmBik
sadge

Raidbots

Top Gear - Frozensoviet - 8,434 DPS - Raidbots

Raidbots

Top Gear - Frozensoviet - 9,163 DPS - Raidbots

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my sin will catch up soon... Copium

upper wedge Jul 31, 2021, 2:04 AM

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Theres no change to unholy, so no @strange python

indigo mulch Jul 31, 2021, 2:04 AM

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Noessss i crafted my stupid gems yesterday =(

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Sadge

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Ah well, just goto get another 150ish

untold nest Jul 31, 2021, 2:04 AM

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I like the ideaa of frost more, u can get kinda fcked from UH if it procs and u got nothing? Also no defensive aspect in UH

umbral rapids Jul 31, 2021, 2:05 AM

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seeing it proc during painsmith intermission is truly painful

indigo mulch Jul 31, 2021, 2:05 AM

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What i like about frost is thsat it enables dashing. Dashing is great.

odd hazel Jul 31, 2021, 2:19 AM

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when you have a 220 phail/242 shadow grasp and a 226 fusion sims betteer. 2 on use trinks...

dark token Jul 31, 2021, 2:20 AM

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macro em together and use on cd its not that bad

frosty cedar Jul 31, 2021, 2:21 AM

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its 1.30 and shadowgrasp is 2.0

indigo mulch Jul 31, 2021, 2:21 AM

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Pretty sure you want to use grasp during flag.

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Since its hasted

cursive silo Jul 31, 2021, 2:21 AM

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probably doesn't matter

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if you're playing obed it should line uup with flag and if you're not playing obed you'd cast on cd to not lose a cast

indigo mulch Jul 31, 2021, 2:23 AM

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Wait why wouldn't it matter? Isent the whole point of grasp to use it because its hasted?

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I mean i guess it might bot matter

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Not*

cursive silo Jul 31, 2021, 2:24 AM

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I'd be surprised if the apl lined it up with flag

indigo mulch Jul 31, 2021, 2:24 AM

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Oh you prob do not line it up

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Othet than the opener

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Gos typing on the pbone is horrible.

mental trout Jul 31, 2021, 2:33 AM

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Any one elses server down ATM?

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Just got to the computer and went to log in

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haven't checked status yet

narrow ravine Jul 31, 2021, 2:53 AM

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well im glad I upgraded my frost set

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45% buff

zinc frost Jul 31, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Who’s rocking some fat crit in anticipation of these big boi buffs?

narrow ravine Jul 31, 2021, 2:55 AM

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waiting for sims but might be making a new lego for it

rigid pine Jul 31, 2021, 2:58 AM

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If you've done heroic, does normal and lfr drop stygian ember for you?

swift lodge Jul 31, 2021, 2:58 AM

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Yes, albeit a small amount

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I did a normal Taz and got 2 stygian and Heroic gave me 1.

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Not sure if there is a weekly cap off that.

narrow ravine Jul 31, 2021, 2:59 AM

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not the other way around

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if you do heroic first you wont get it from normal for those bosses

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but if you do normal first then heroic it gives you the difference

swift lodge Jul 31, 2021, 2:59 AM

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Yeah I did a normal then a heroic. So i assume heroic gives 3. then

rigid pine Jul 31, 2021, 2:59 AM

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narrow ravine but if you do normal first then heroic it gives you the difference

Ahh okay

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Then I gotta wait till our mythic run for some stygian ember

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Good to know, thanks

narrow ravine Jul 31, 2021, 3:00 AM

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else we would all be complaining about having to do LFR every week just for embers

rigid pine Jul 31, 2021, 3:00 AM

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True

narrow ravine Jul 31, 2021, 3:00 AM

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cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria

viral locust Jul 31, 2021, 3:07 AM

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gets unholy and venthyr cloak

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frost gets buffed and dashing is good again

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sob

idle star Jul 31, 2021, 3:07 AM

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narrow ravine cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria

I love ghost busters

tall forge Jul 31, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Hey could someone take a look at my logs, and let me know what I am doing wrong? I feel as though there are things I can be doing better but not sure what to do. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vkaZ3HD1Cx7BhJmW#fight=30&type=damage-done&source=11

clever perch Jul 31, 2021, 3:26 AM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iAQcfw33kZr1rdsN1Fg63G why does necro sim better than venthyr in raid?

Raidbots

Top Gear - Nekoo - 7,781 DPS - Raidbots

narrow ravine Jul 31, 2021, 3:27 AM

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any alternate ways to obtain the legendary memories than doing nathria raid? its so dead right now

cursive silo Jul 31, 2021, 3:28 AM

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you'll get 20 rogue groups soon enough

old summit Jul 31, 2021, 3:31 AM

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!def

prisma monolithBOT Jul 31, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

devout prism Jul 31, 2021, 3:34 AM

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There's an item you can buy that gives you memories you don't have, using Grateful Offerings

clever perch Jul 31, 2021, 3:35 AM

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clever perch https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iAQcfw33kZr1rdsN1Fg63G why does necro sim...

anyone know?

cedar star Jul 31, 2021, 3:37 AM

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Soooo with the buff, are we on the Frost train now?

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Woops, pins

velvet nacelle Jul 31, 2021, 3:39 AM

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got my sin parses back into the 80s thanks to advice in here

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thanks folks

cedar star Jul 31, 2021, 3:45 AM

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viral locust >gets unholy and venthyr cloak

Are you me? Literally finished both of these this week

timid talon Jul 31, 2021, 3:52 AM

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You'll have enough cinders on tuesday to have both at 262

knotty glade Jul 31, 2021, 3:58 AM

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Doom or Dashing for Assasination Necro ?

azure flare Jul 31, 2021, 4:00 AM

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Doom

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Also read the pins if you're interested in dashing 👀

knotty glade Jul 31, 2021, 4:05 AM

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Thanks. i wanted to make 100% sure

untold nest Jul 31, 2021, 4:08 AM

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Id hold till sims on new shards on that call @knotty glade

velvet nacelle Jul 31, 2021, 4:11 AM

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i have 6 shards and 0 frost

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so i'm hoping it takes us... ~3 weeks to finalize the sims and figure out which things to make

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since i'm 90% sure the only shards i'll get are off sylvanas now

graceful mirage Jul 31, 2021, 4:17 AM

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it do be like that sometimes

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i just finished my unholy set

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i had the frost set for a while, but no shoulderpiece

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this system is downright horrid.

torn atlas Jul 31, 2021, 4:36 AM

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clever perch https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iAQcfw33kZr1rdsN1Fg63G why does necro sim...

You seem to have Outlaw conduits equipped on your current gear. But otherwise I'm not sure.

tawdry sparrow Jul 31, 2021, 5:00 AM

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Can anyone tell me what crit % i should be at ? Atm i seem to get no crit gear to drop.. all is haste mastery 🙃 sims also tell me to get more crit.

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I mean, is there any break points?

steady glen Jul 31, 2021, 5:01 AM

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If im running CT, do I refresh CT in single target moments?

mystic peak Jul 31, 2021, 5:02 AM

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yes outside of shiv

untold nest Jul 31, 2021, 5:02 AM

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@tawdry sparrow breakpoint is when sims tell u to stop

misty holly Jul 31, 2021, 5:10 AM

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Is frost only good with Dashing because of some kind of interaction, or is it likely to be good with Doomblade too?

untold nest Jul 31, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Frost set benefits from crit. DS gives crit to your poisons. But who knows? Buff is pretty big

alpine latch Jul 31, 2021, 5:24 AM

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wow ... IQD is simming higher for me than Phial is

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I wasn't expecting that

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Maybe because I'm using frost shards?

rocky pecan Jul 31, 2021, 5:37 AM

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Cauz he sim all time the stat

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Since on sim no healer oom no other shit just you and an mannequin

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It's strong tho not bad a bit more "hard" to handle on prog I think cauz a lot of shit can happens ^^

north basin Jul 31, 2021, 5:52 AM

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i hope this time the HYPE is real. and will not yield mediocre results like it was with obe xD

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if it was 300 dps more with bis set., with upcoming buff it will be 500+? xD

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frost boiz!

vestal chasm Jul 31, 2021, 5:59 AM

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Are we all waiting to craft 262 legos still to see if Dashing will be better than doomblade or obedience?

timid talon Jul 31, 2021, 6:01 AM

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north basin frost boiz!

for st only, sure

timid talon Jul 31, 2021, 6:01 AM

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vestal chasm Are we all waiting to craft 262 legos still to see if Dashing will be better tha...

no you can have two 262 on tuesday so there isnt a reason to wait

vestal chasm Jul 31, 2021, 6:02 AM

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well what if I'm a scrub and missed a few soul cinders here and there

timid talon Jul 31, 2021, 6:02 AM

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Lol then waiting is probably fine

vestal chasm Jul 31, 2021, 6:02 AM

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🙂 Just itching for that upgrade. Been waiting on it for a while

timid talon Jul 31, 2021, 6:03 AM

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Frost may end up simming better but real world application is still yet to be seen

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its apparently either bugged or not working as described on the tin

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so who knows.

vestal chasm Jul 31, 2021, 6:04 AM

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sounds like its been bugged the whole time

timid talon Jul 31, 2021, 6:04 AM

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Im betting after next week they'll "fix" it or something

fathom flax Jul 31, 2021, 6:16 AM

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timid talon no you can have two 262 on tuesday so there isnt a reason to wait

Bro r u made of gold

mystic peak Jul 31, 2021, 6:17 AM

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wait do we get any bonus cinders or did i miss something

timid talon Jul 31, 2021, 6:17 AM

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They're only like 100k on my server

grizzled orbit Jul 31, 2021, 6:30 AM

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@timid talon How can we have 2 262 legendaries on tuesday? Am I missing something?

idle star Jul 31, 2021, 6:32 AM

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I have maybe 100 cinders left after crafting my last 262. We get 360 from a full week of torghast + 150 from all assaults. Max you can get is around 520 per week

timid talon Jul 31, 2021, 6:32 AM

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Its week 5, another reset and you have enough.

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Are you doing torments?

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Mission table?

rocky pecan Jul 31, 2021, 6:38 AM

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It's week 5 with only 2 week of l12

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Not 5 week of l12

dusky orbit Jul 31, 2021, 7:09 AM

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Why Frost set might be better only on st?

half quarry Jul 31, 2021, 7:11 AM

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we doing damage boys!

vestal wren Jul 31, 2021, 7:11 AM

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it does good damage and priorizing crit makes it do even more damage

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thats why frost might become (with higher rank in the set) the go-to choice

grizzled orbit Jul 31, 2021, 7:12 AM

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Do you think unholy will still be competitive on ST compared to frost? Atleast worth keeping? Or will the gap be that large?

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:14 AM

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grizzled orbit Do you think unholy will still be competitive on ST compared to frost? Atleast w...

You can have both sets

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And multiple legendaries

vestal wren Jul 31, 2021, 7:14 AM

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you will have both in the end

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but its entirely possible that frost wins in the long run

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:15 AM

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But to put it in easy terms

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Frost already sims higher than unholy with dashing

grizzled orbit Jul 31, 2021, 7:15 AM

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Yeah, I just haven't had much luck with domination sockets or shards. Just feels pretty defeating having crafted my cloak on thursday.

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:15 AM

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And it’s getting a massive buff

fiery fable Jul 31, 2021, 7:16 AM

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question, if playing blindside, would i press ambush over mutilate? or would i press ambush whenever it pops up?

vestal wren Jul 31, 2021, 7:17 AM

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frost does not sim that much higher without changing gear

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its only 1.5% with the default profile, switching gear did iirc put it more significant ahead

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:19 AM

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fiery fable question, if playing blindside, would i press ambush over mutilate? or would i p...

In what situation

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You press mut on opener still

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You press ambush whenever it procs, as long as you don’t overcap cps

whole skiff Jul 31, 2021, 7:20 AM

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You press ambush almost every time, unless you're bursting and have just been in stealth.

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Mutilate has potential to generate 4cp.

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:20 AM

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Pretty sure that only applies on the opener

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If you have a blindside proc you use it

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Asap

fiery fable Jul 31, 2021, 7:21 AM

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okok thanks was just wondering for after opener

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:21 AM

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Just consume the proc

whole skiff Jul 31, 2021, 7:21 AM

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Pretty sure that's wrong clown.

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If I've just vendetta flagellation envenom vanish and have a blindside proc

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I would use mutilate from stealth

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Then blindside

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:22 AM

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You don’t consume blindside from vanish that’s bad play

whole skiff Jul 31, 2021, 7:22 AM

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That's what I said earlier

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:22 AM

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Ah ok

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Cool

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Same page then

fiery fable Jul 31, 2021, 7:23 AM

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and i would always play deeper with blindside right? not vigor?

whole skiff Jul 31, 2021, 7:23 AM

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Yep

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:23 AM

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Yes

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:23 AM

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whole skiff If I've just vendetta flagellation envenom vanish and have a blindside proc

Pretty sure you can ambush before vanish though btw

whole skiff Jul 31, 2021, 7:23 AM

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You could

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But would overcap cp

hollow river Jul 31, 2021, 7:24 AM

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depends on when it procs and cp ye

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:24 AM

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Flag envenom vanish would be

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Straight in to mut mut envenom

hollow river Jul 31, 2021, 7:24 AM

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i don't think you would spend cp, THEN ambush build into your next finisher with CDs up

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:24 AM

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Why don’t you just flag envenom ambush vanish

hollow river Jul 31, 2021, 7:24 AM

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you'd spend the cp, and finish with CDs and then ambush

whole skiff Jul 31, 2021, 7:25 AM

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That's a good idea actually clown.

hollow river Jul 31, 2021, 7:25 AM

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true but u wanna get CDs on CD

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:25 AM

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U don’t want to mut with a blindside proc

whole skiff Jul 31, 2021, 7:25 AM

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Would delay vanish and would have to be aware for next burst xD

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:25 AM

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It’s just a dps loss

north pecan Jul 31, 2021, 7:25 AM

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Do frost buffs mean scoundrel frost set is back on the menu?

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:25 AM

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north pecan Do frost buffs mean scoundrel frost set is back on the menu?

Yes

hollow river Jul 31, 2021, 7:26 AM

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u still have the ambush to use after?

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:26 AM

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It already was, how is just stronger

north pecan Jul 31, 2021, 7:26 AM

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Coool

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:26 AM

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hollow river u still have the ambush to use after?

You can only have one blindside proc at a time

hollow river Jul 31, 2021, 7:26 AM

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sure

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but they last a few seconds if needed

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:26 AM

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So if you press mut while you have blindside proc

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You are losing dps

hollow river Jul 31, 2021, 7:27 AM

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ehhh

kind talon Jul 31, 2021, 7:27 AM

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Any other button doesn’t matter

hollow river Jul 31, 2021, 7:27 AM

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pretty sure in this situation it isn't a loss (or a significant one)

whole skiff Jul 31, 2021, 7:27 AM

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Not really. I still think saving it for after vanish is probs better

obtuse robin Jul 31, 2021, 7:28 AM

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2nd 262 leggo on reset damn we got some gamers

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logs

idle star Jul 31, 2021, 7:28 AM

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How?

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Us it even possible?

obtuse robin Jul 31, 2021, 7:28 AM

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no im being sarcastic

idle star Jul 31, 2021, 7:29 AM

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Yeh next 262 is reset after next. Makes no diff anyway lol. 235 is fine for a cloak slot

obtuse robin Jul 31, 2021, 7:30 AM

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more importaly i dont have to deal with this stupid tea anymore

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gimmie nadj back

native belfry Jul 31, 2021, 7:44 AM

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Theotar tea is the scum of the year

pseudo hamlet Jul 31, 2021, 7:46 AM

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Hmm... Frost set bonus is getting buffed

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misty holly Jul 31, 2021, 7:47 AM

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pseudo hamlet Hmm... Frost set bonus is getting buffed

And 2 weeks later frost set nerfed because a few specs and combinations are op with it.

pseudo hamlet Jul 31, 2021, 7:48 AM

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misty holly And 2 weeks later frost set nerfed because a few specs and combinations are op w...

That's possible SucksMan

hollow river Jul 31, 2021, 7:51 AM

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i mean

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how op would it actually be i wonder

obtuse robin Jul 31, 2021, 7:52 AM

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its gonna be like + 600 dps over unholy

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im alling it

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calling

hollow river Jul 31, 2021, 7:52 AM

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if sin is ahead 100-300 dps in current iteration using frost R5/dashing, a 45% buff would put it around a possible 600>unholy

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ye

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not that op

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compared to sin>sub last tier

obtuse robin Jul 31, 2021, 7:52 AM

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which means certain gear becomes even better

hollow river Jul 31, 2021, 7:53 AM

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or sin>outlaw

obtuse robin Jul 31, 2021, 7:53 AM

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like iqd

hollow river Jul 31, 2021, 7:53 AM

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i skipped 252 iqd last week