assassination

[slow marsh]

You're trading a higher chance to get more cp for a higher chance to crit big damage. Both result in pretty much the same thing

[wanton mortar]

aight ty!

[dawn haven]

If I'm using the Obedience legendary, Is it still better to run EP+Vigor or should I be running Blindside+DS?

[shrewd radish]

I think blindside DS is always better no?

[dawn haven]

Most fights in Sanctum tend to value EP+Vigor over Blindside+DS just because of the frequency for multi-target scenarios.

But with the haste I can get from Obedience, I'm not sure if I should stick with my current talents or go with what the sims tell me (Which they always will) which is that Blindside+DS is better.

[tulip nacelle]

according to the faq you want bs ds for st if you're playing obedience

[fallen arch]

They’re similar

Play which ever you feel comfortable with

Close enough

But ye, multi target scenario’s favor ep+vig

[kind veldt]

Depends how u sim; light movement, heavy movement, cleave add etc

Any cleave fight, ep+vigor is the move

[slow marsh]

It's mostly preference. BS DS will almost always sim higher but some people have just found ep vig to 'feel better'. Plus there's only two fights that don't have something else to hit at some point, combined with sylvanas ( most important fight) not having execute phase makes running ep vig for the whole raid easier vs having to tome a bunch

[vivid steeple]

quick question, what changed from 9.0 to 9.1 which suddenly made assa viable in pve and amazing in pvp?

[slow marsh]

Nothing

It was really good in 9.0.5

Top 3 melee by the end of nathria

[vivid steeple]

huh, i stand corrected then

[slow marsh]

Ye

[balmy condor]

It got 25% worth of buffs from 9.0 to 9.0.5

[fallen arch]

I was gonna say we just all amazing gamers here

But it must be the aura buffs + cttc

[vivid steeple]

Also, since I started playing my rogue, ive been an outlaw enthousiast, but since im more pvp oriented I tried going assa instead, but havent tried it yet in pve content

How does it feel there?

Does it feel smooth? Slow? Good in the meters? Looking at wowlogs it doesnt seem too behind outlaw, which is known as "the king of m+"

[balmy condor]

It’s slow

Lot of people I guess “complain” about it

[fallen arch]

I’d say sin is prefered over outlaw for raiding and good enough for m+

To be viable

[vivid steeple]

So KSM no problem?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

You can do 20’s with sin

[vivid steeple]

ehh... im looking at wowlogs and so far theres only a very limited of 20s going on, some 19 and even more 18s

but a low amount of 20s, whereas outlaw is pushing some 21s and 22s

[balmy condor]

Correct

[vivid steeple]

Well thanks for the info, I appreciate it, Ill try it tomorrow and do a softcore test with a +10 see where I stand with it

[balmy condor]

It’s not everyone’s cup of tea for sure

[slow oriole]

I find Sin and Outlaw really shine in extended trashpacks in M+, since neither really have any big burst AoE Cooldowns. So dont expect to be king of overall, but you can really clown on other specs on bosses and lieutenants

[vivid steeple]

In that case I will prob stick with outlaw for m+ and maybe assa for raid and pvp, a shame because my goal was to be lazy and not need to farm multiple different sets of gear

[fallen arch]

You don’t have to

If KSM is your goal, sin is perfectly fine

But it probably requires a bit of practice

[gentle gyro]

i'm running 18s and sin is just fine

[gentle gyro]

also, what this person said

the most difficult thing as rogue in m+ is to get the invite

[fallen arch]

Run your own keys

[gentle gyro]

i am

[fallen arch]

Not only as rogue, as dps in general is my experience

[gentle gyro]

thing is, I need that trainket from plaguefall

[wind dune]

Yea that's also been my issue lol. My group i was starting to do 20's with have a real sleep schedule and I'm over here stuck working overnights.

But for that guy asking about sin dps in keys this was a 15 halls if ksm is all your after you can still pump

[shut flame]

I found myself pugging in +15 rather +10. Chance to fail +10 is higher imho

[velvet nacelle]

@idle star i thought "constantly" was pretty obvious hyperbole, it wasn't constant but it was definitely a lot more than i'm used to

which is, in fairness, like 0 times

[gentle gyro]

be careful with lower keys, stuff dies so fast you don't really get to deal damage on trash

also 10-14 is hell

[fallen arch]

True

[shut flame]

Yap

[wind dune]

Tyran feels so bad for sin in general lol. Barely get your dots out before the packs blasted

[vivid steeple]

nah im running 15 rn as outlaw (keep in mind i got 60 5 days ago so im still learning), 10 is just an easier medium for testing out the feel of it

[gentle gyro]

if only blizz wasn't so anti-multispec

or ewven multi-content

what, you want to raid AND m+?
tough luck, different covenants are best for that, go f yourself

[vivid steeple]

You forgot pvp too

[gentle gyro]

so did blizz

[vivid steeple]

pvp who?

[hollow river]

sub was nerfed pretty hard in pvp

[steady glen]

isnt obedience better if u just wanna run 1 lego for everything

[fallen arch]

It is

[steady glen]

cool

[idle star]

Idk man i feel subs dmg is less 1 dance inside duel and more zug zuggy. I pump with 40% crit and 25% vers

A lot of pressure

[hollow river]

they removed Cold Blood and nerfed some abilities didn't they

that's why you'll see more sin pvpers than last tier. also added hemotoxin talent for sin

[ebon thorn]

ok so how do you do torghast when 2 mobs legit kill you unless you blow cds and cc them 🤔

[gentle gyro]

giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiief

[ornate lake]

Oef. Still grinding mine

But it's biggg

[gentle gyro]

i'm grinding too, that was the enhancer in my key

[gentle gyro]

yeah but not having bl or br or any other utility sure makes it harder

[frosty cedar]

dude I think blizzard is giving me loot karma. 31 chances now and I didn't get phial

Im being punished for 252 MH and 252 totem

[ocean shadow]

there was this guy who dropped it and already had it at a bit lower ilvl and he could trade it... he didn't to save 400 valor :')

[frosty cedar]

At least I have like 7 of the awful helmet that drops there...

I got a socketed cipher aswell I guess

[fathom nest]

what is your opinion on the scoundrel leggy?

[fallen arch]

Not good enough

[potent dagger]

outch

[gentle gyro]

may he stub his toe on every door

[dusty sable]

what is the best leg for m+

[balmy condor]

Zoldyck/obedience

[tawdry sparrow]

but we go doomblade for raiding right?

[balmy condor]

Or obedience, yea

[hollow nexus]

im planning to craft the obedience leggo but would like to use it with all specs. which stats would be the best in that scenario?

mostly playing sin in raids and outlaw in dungeons but wanting to give sub a shot

[shut garnet]

crit vers

[olive peak]

Is it worth switching to venthyr ? Currently Necro .. I'm playing assa raids and sub keys .. I know they are very close but still.. I think sub would benefit greatly if I went venthyr ?

Some sims I did last week showed about 60 dps increase patchwerk for assa and about 200-500 for sub

[shut garnet]

yea if ur planning on multispeccing w sub in the mix venthyr is the way to go

[olive peak]

Is it very far behind in fights like eye , the nine and the torturer guy ?

[shut garnet]

no lol

check the top logs on wcl

[olive peak]

We have another rogue in the raid and he is venthyr ..m generally he is not that good of a player but his cov ability is always so far behind SBS

[shut garnet]

its a fair mix ^^

[steep obsidian]

The damage part of flagellation isn’t the only thing you get from it

It give huge haste buff if you play it well

[limber lion]

Well you don't really need to play it that much

you just slam it before a finisher

and move on

[shrewd radish]

Is it capped at 30 stacks? I tried my hardest to fit in as much 5 point finishers in the window as possible and can't get past 30 stacks

[limber lion]

Yes.

But you rarely won't even get to 30

23-26 is a good average during lust

[shrewd radish]

Feels like I get 30 more often than not

[shut garnet]

in multitarget its rly easy to get to 30 cuz of the "infinite energy regen" almost

from multidottin stuff

[timid talon]

30 is rng, even with 35% crit i get 25 as assassination

[shut garnet]

but in ST its just really hard

[wise gull]

DH in this group just took a shadowgrasp when he has 239 salvaged and a 236 phial

big sad

[limber lion]

Well it's not actually about the energy

It's about critting

and getting more CP from using FoK instead of Muti

[shut garnet]

tru

[limber lion]

Even if you have 126% haste and you have infinite energy, you still won't be hitting 30 stacks unless you get lucky with crits.

[rocky rain]

@olive peak a lot of the dps increase from flag is haste so it will show up under different abilities. I'd go venthyr at least while SBS is broken

[fallen arch]

And take another 2 days again to switch back, nah thanks

[fallow glacier]

Maybe someone other than you would be willing to do that

[shrewd radish]

Is there ever cases to delay shiv or is the benefit from keeping it rolling on cd too high?

[fallen arch]

Oh ye probably, but I’ll wait till they fix sbs

[crystal delta]

only delay some secs maybe to synch with vendetta

[gleaming jackal]

shiv on cd

[hollow nexus]

this was in response to me?

[shut garnet]

ya

[tawdry sparrow]

we do craft doomblade on cloak?

[crystal delta]

y

[hollow nexus]

k thanks

[crystal delta]

both on cloak

[tawdry sparrow]

cheers ❤️

[crystal delta]

you can also check assassination faq for that btw 🙂 there are some useful information

[thorny pond]

Like they fixed the poison bug?

[fallen arch]

I’d say this is a bit bigger

[thorny pond]

Both are unacceptable

[fallen arch]

But idk, maybe they dont give a shit about rogues

Probably

[thorny pond]

If the rogue was in a dress at blizzard HQ we’d prob have raid utility by now

[fallow glacier]

[fallen arch]

[thorny pond]

Meh. I made the point on the wow forums and they deleted it so prob in poor taste

[fallow glacier]

Yep

[fallen arch]

You addressed the bug?

Or made an inapropriate joke?

[thorny pond]

Both

Same line as above

[cloud bramble]

hell I'm happy there still a few straight guys working there. I was starting to worry

[hollow river]

You can delay up to 10 seconds to sync with vendetta

[civic trellis]

Did anyone sim if its worth delaying hasted trinkets to a stacked flag?

E.g shadowgrasp totem

[final sky]

what do i want to be doing in huge pulls? like pulls with 8+ mobs

[hollow river]

#assassination-faq

Oops I mean

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[fallen arch]

Gar 4 targets, keep CT and refresh in pandemic, keep snd up by using envenom, use fok to generate cp, tab target and rupture as many mobs as you can that live long enough, use shiv, vanish, garrote, cov ability and vendetta on cd (pref on mobs with biggest health pool).

And most importantly, dont die. It’s a big dps loss

[flint raptor]

are some of you guys playing spitefull weeks as a assassination?
Is it hard for you to play chainpulls this week?
Swapped to sub for spitefull :/

[fallen arch]

Spiteful sucks as melee

But we have to deal with it like everyone else

[hollow river]

A lot less stressful without having to stealth every pack

[flint raptor]

yea, i feel sad for not getting the subterfuge boni every pull

[hollow river]

It’s not inting if you can restealth

[fallen arch]

Ye that sucks, but it happens

[hollow river]

Vanish if you have to, works

[fallen arch]

Sometimes u get lucky and u can stealth when the spiteful is spawning

[final sky]

i use shadowmeld on cd to stealth but other than that i dont usually get the bonus

[final sky]

amazing thanks :D

i always lag behind in big aoe pulls but im assuming theres nothing i can do to help that? i usually play with a dh and either ele shaman or mm hunter

[fallen arch]

You're not gonna pull Ele numbers in huge pulls no

But we do perfectly fine

[final sky]

also i usually save my phantom fire for huge pulls, is that the right thing to do?

[fallen arch]

I use sharpening stones

But I think it's kinda w/e dps wise, I usually pot for bosses

[final sky]

alright

ty :)

[manic pebble]

Yea it’s annoying that I can’t restealth

So I use shadowmeld, and vanish to stealth

[stone gate]

Which is better out of these 2

[echo geyser]

Left side

But once u get the conduit slot it could be both

[stone gate]

aight

[gusty breach]

for keys i use the right one , dunno if its good or not

raid left one

[abstract venture]

Umm.. hello ? Assa's bis is frost set ?

[gentle gyro]

we had that yesterday, it will be if you have the gear levels

aka not now

[abstract venture]

ty brother

[manic haven]

Any necro brothers holding out hoping the bug is fixed soon or you all made the venthyr switch already?

[gentle gyro]

more general question, is it worth switching from DD to the potency conduit (poisoned katar) for m+ during tyrannical weeks?

[late birch]

In dungeons we dont spam CT on big packs?

[thorny pond]

Never spam ct

Maintain it like any other bleed

[late birch]

damn , infexous lied to me

[thorny pond]

Lmao

Yep

That’s him

#assassination-faq has real info if you’re curious

[final sky]

is my raid stat prio crit haste or haste crit

[thorny pond]

Top gear sim

[echo geyser]

@late birch i think u only spam when u have 34% crit tho

[thorny pond]

Stats boil down to covenant and talents really

[echo geyser]

u probably dont have enough

[late birch]

hmmm so I guess I can spam if I get a gemstone proc for a bnit/.

?

[echo geyser]

sorry i had to

[final sky]

im necro and i run blindside, ma, marked for death, cheat death, iron wire, alacrity and poison bomb

[echo geyser]

dont spam @late birch

[thorny pond]

Please don’t spread misinformation

[late birch]

damn man, you got me

ex dee

you guys prio getting few ruptures up in packs or CT?

[echo geyser]

u can go 4x garrote into ct

[final sky]

ct and then rupture

[echo geyser]

then fok ruptures

[late birch]

ty ❤️

[stone gate]

I just got shard of zed, is that any useful or nah?

[echo geyser]

the 34% crit is a full on meme btw sorry @late birch

if anyone says that theyre trolling

[thorny pond]

Sim your top gear don’t try to game the stats

[echo geyser]

dont spam ct

[shut flame]

what meme, btw?

[cloud bramble]

so I alittle surprised that obedience doesn't make theo's Wasteland buff any better then triple potency

[echo geyser]

some sin build that requires exactly 34% crit

[thorny pond]

?

[shut flame]

ass build..

[echo geyser]

exactly

[late birch]

wasnt this in like BFA ?

34% crit , 72% haste

or some shit

[echo geyser]

im pretty sure we never had actual breakpoints?

at least i only played sin in like s1 s2 bfa

after that i was outlaw

and never played rogue before bfa

[late birch]

kinda only started in 8.3

[cloud bramble]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=319983/wasteland-propriety
like why isn't this better with lashing cd reduction?

[thorny pond]

Because it’s not that good

1min cd

[late birch]

btw, on ST is it that much better opening with necro spike instead of ambush?

[thorny pond]

Never open with ambush

Always SBS if necro or mutilate

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[late birch]

normally you would SnD after ambush, so it doesnt matter the combo points

and it dealt more damage than mut

[thorny pond]

Did you read?

[late birch]

ahg

[echo geyser]

m+ builds and raid (MA talent) is diff ofc

[late birch]

I see

mb

[echo geyser]

subterfuge u open still with garrote ofc

[late birch]

ye

[fading wigeon]

Quick question. What are these wasted combo points here?

[echo geyser]

ur crits can generate more cp

so u overcap sometimes

[gentle gyro]

cp you got over the limit due to seal fate I assume, aka if you were at let's say 3 cp and you mut, the mut crits, you wasted 1-2 cp

it's nothing you can avoid, really

[fading wigeon]

ah ok

[gentle gyro]

only minimize the potential

[fading wigeon]

Because I was careful to finish at 4-5 combo points

so thats why I was confused by that

[echo geyser]

yeah its just rng

[fading wigeon]

ok thank you

so anytime anything crits it can give combo points?

or just muti?

[echo geyser]

shiv too

[fading wigeon]

oh damn ok

[echo geyser]

sbs too if ur necro

[fading wigeon]

Thank you!

[echo geyser]

or wait can it i forgot

its super buggy rn anyways

[gentle gyro]

FoK generates +1 cp for every target it critically struck, mut 1-2 because it's two hits in one attack which can crit separately, ambush only gives +1 because it's a single hit

[dire acorn]

Why do the guides say to open with mut instead of ambush when using MA talent?

[echo geyser]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[dire acorn]

ty

[gentle gyro]

tl;dr : combo points

and poisons

[sand sigil]

wait i still don't understand how combopoints is relevant if the global after the opener is always slice and dice lol. i get the poison argument but how on earth does it matter if u slice with 3 or 4 cp if it is never going to fall off anyways and makes literally no difference.

[echo geyser]

mut does more dmg too doesnt it?

well at least with poison application included

[teal bloom]

Ambush does more damage

[sand sigil]

and also u will mutilate to apply doomblade before u ever envenom anyways. and i'm genuinely surprised that 1 deadly poison application and 1 doomblade damage dot makes up for the increase

[dire acorn]

well, according to tooltip, ambush does more

[sand sigil]

ambush does way more damage ram

wait idk exactly on my character but i think it's 2k+ more

maybe 1.5k

[cerulean junco]

Have a good point

[echo geyser]

gotta ask some cf about that i guess

[teal bloom]

One explanation is bigger chance to get alacrity stack but idk

[echo geyser]

pretty sure its mathed out already tho

[sand sigil]

i need a simgod logician to come thru w/ the facts no cap

[cerulean junco]

Where’s whispyr

[gentle gyro]

@balmy condor your type is needed

[sand sigil]

true

[sand sigil]

idk i still have a hard time believing that + poison outweighs how much more ambush does

[fading wigeon]

how can i check my boss uptime on logs? I know how to check uptime of my bleeds and stuff.

[toxic quail]

I recall them saying you use Mut cause you get chance of 4 Combo Points where you dont get that many with Ambush.

[sand sigil]

right but

like i just said

[cerulean junco]

Maybe overall it’s better because of the chance for crit

[sand sigil]

that's irrelevant

because it doesn't matter if u slice w/ 3 or 4 cps

because u slice w/ 1 cp when u play necrolord and that is sufficient already just at 1 combopoint

[gentle gyro]

poison application, chance for a blindside proc

[echo geyser]

doesnt poison also do instant dmg?

[toxic quail]

OH idc how anyone plays, i was just answering a question. haha

[echo geyser]

apart from the dot ticks

[sand sigil]

nobody plays blindside this tier

[gentle gyro]

you can

and some do

[sand sigil]

ep vig almost exclusively better on every fight cuz none of them are pure st

except for tarragrue which is a meme and guardian which sub is just better on anyways

[cobalt pelican]

the difference is liderally nothing

stop caring about it

[sand sigil]

i mean

[gentle gyro]

^this tbh

[sand sigil]

i'm a curious individual

[cerulean junco]

It’s the small things

[cobalt pelican]

mut is in default because alac/blindside chance/dp/doomblade

and it was checked thoroughly to be better in the past

[sand sigil]

blindside irrelevant

doomblade irrelevant

[gentle gyro]

that is the wrong trinket, blizzard

[cobalt pelican]

how are they irrelevant

they are LITERALLY relevant

[sand sigil]

because i don't play blindside and sometimes i play obedience sin

[echo geyser]

the dot part of doomblade is relevant, but not the envenom part i guess

[sand sigil]

so i wonder if the same findings are true without those conditions

[cobalt pelican]

the doomblade dot makes up like 600 dmg lol

i mean

[sand sigil]

ok but

the delta is WAY more than 600

and also ud mutilate again well before 600 damage from ur doomblade has ticked

ud literally go ambush slice mutilate

[gentle gyro]

the dot stacks

as in you don't lose damage if you mut again

[sand sigil]

yeh but i'm saying u wouldn't even realize the full value of that first doomblade dot because the boss always dies w/ x seconds remaining on your doomblade

[cobalt pelican]

if you're EXCLUSIVELY playing obed ep then i can see ambush probably being like a 5 dps gain

but at that point

[sand sigil]

i never dies w/ doomblade completely falling off

[cobalt pelican]

you're playing a 200 dps worst combination

[sand sigil]

i mean

[cobalt pelican]

so trying to figure out the worlds smallest optimization for it is pointless

[sand sigil]

take sykvanas

mythic

no blindside value whatsoever

it's multi target so ep strictly better

there's intermissions and downtime so pooling to 150 w/ vigor is more than viable

obedience is strictly better for the flag timings on that fight as well

[echo geyser]

is it?

[sand sigil]

yes

[cerulean junco]

Yes

[cobalt pelican]

and remind me what dps gain you think you'll get on a 14 minute fight from ambushing from stealth once in p1

[echo geyser]

i didnt see mythic yet but the hc felt so fucked with obed

[sand sigil]

bro it's not about the result, it's about the why

i like to understand the game

[cobalt pelican]

even in math

[sand sigil]

timings r way better w obed in mythic

[cobalt pelican]

there's statistical irrelevancy

like

on a 5 min sim you could argue maybe it's outside margin

[cerulean junco]

Go watch limit or echo video and timings

[echo geyser]

i see

[cobalt pelican]

but if we're talking sylvanas mythic

[cerulean junco]

You’ll have obed for all the goods 🙂

[cobalt pelican]

you're literally at the point where you'd have to pull the boss

for SEVERAL YEARS

[echo geyser]

i mean are there rogue povs? @cerulean junco

[cobalt pelican]

to see any difference

[sand sigil]

bdgg's rogue streamed but pieces didn't

[echo geyser]

i was trying to find remnant povs

but couldnt find any

[sand sigil]

but logs from pieces rogue ksp has way more optimizations to be made

he played doom tho and i mean it's not going to be the dif between killing or not but

u can get notably more meaningful flags w/ obed

[cerulean junco]

Ram I havnt watched a POV. Just observed timings

[echo geyser]

interesting

any other fights u found obed to be nice for sin?

i just been playing it yolo for the sake of having a r6

[sand sigil]

i actually thought it was nice for timings on remnant

[echo geyser]

sims worse than my r4 235 doomblade

[sand sigil]

i preferred doomblade if u play sin on eye and dormazain

but if u play sub and hit 30 and depending on ur chain assignments then it's fine for sub dormazain

i mean it's bis for sub but w/ sin and my chain assignment id always get 2nd and 4th flag at the worst time

[cerulean junco]

In my honest opinion ram and from what I heard. Once the raid gets gear the raid is a breeze. So doom and obedience is up to player ability

But if you want to parae there may be some things we can look into

[cobalt pelican]

do you have an obed ep profile open rn james

[sand sigil]

ummm lemme find it

i simmed one last night. going to swap to CT for mythic sylv

i was pb but w/ the obed optimizations it's just so much more dam anyways i figure we can still kill if me and junkrat play ct

[echo geyser]

yeah truth raid is a joke with gear

we are not even fully juiced yet

[sand sigil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c42TUFbhbMCprx5Fxn2zJK

[limber lion]

Necro was pretty fun for Soulrender

[echo geyser]

people are simming like 10k but top ones are actually gonna be 12k

imagine getting 2k across whole raid

[limber lion]

Pretty meh for PS though because the balls don't reset sbs

[fallen arch]

Wait James is JPC?

[sand sigil]

that is indeed what the J stands for

[fallen arch]

Wicked

[echo geyser]

James pc yes

[fallen arch]

Love your streams bruh

Keep up

[lavish lichen]

Couldn’t you tell by avatar?

Looks just like him

[fallen arch]

Ye now it all falls into place

[lavish lichen]

Traps so big got no neck

[cerulean junco]

James you pushing with sub this tier?

[echo geyser]

also @sand sigil is that tavazvesh trinket legit over 246 phial tho

[sand sigil]

IMAGINE HAVING 246 PHIAL

[echo geyser]

saw klaus was running it while he had the phial too

[limber lion]

I'm actually so annoyed that sbs is bugged to shit

[limber lion]

fucking right

[sand sigil]

no

[limber lion]

these dudes acting like you can just go and get it

[echo geyser]

i gave away 3 of them 2 days ago

lol

[limber lion]

wanna do a pf with me ? :)

[sand sigil]

💯

[echo geyser]

but im almost 50 runs deep with 0 daggers

[cerulean junco]

☠️

[echo geyser]

so yeah

idk

[cerulean junco]

Same ram.

[sand sigil]

down

[cerulean junco]

My rogue is still rocking 9.0 dags. 40+ runs

[echo geyser]

[fallen arch]

Same

[echo geyser]

u guys think its bugged and cant drop?

[fallen arch]

For me, highly likely

[echo geyser]

cause they did bug out sbs outta this world

[fallen arch]

They gave me shards and sockets wayy too fucking soon

So daggers might take a few more weeks

[echo geyser]

what sockets u got

[fallen arch]

Heroic chest, shoulder, head

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/miFyeqUuk6nzjhwT5B9iZB

using the ct base

[echo geyser]

yoooooo

2 dps

lets fucking goooooo

[idle star]

242ilvl wtf lolol

[cobalt pelican]

#tc-research message

this was the last time i saw koji talk about it

[echo geyser]

bruh people are 247

[warm plover]

wtf

[idle star]

maybe lucky mofos

[cobalt pelican]

imagine existing in the 24x club and not being 235 ilvl basically lookin like a last-patch ass

[echo geyser]

yeah but its also 10/10 peeps

[cobalt pelican]

rank 2 blood set 229 offhand represent

[idle star]

i been getting crap vault and heroic luck

so im hard stuck 231 atm

[echo geyser]

whats ur mainhand tho

[cobalt pelican]

239 from pvp : (

: )

feels like 50% of everyone got a 252 somehow

maybe just cause i'm jealous

[echo geyser]

better than my sire daggers

[cobalt pelican]

go blast 1800 with lfg ruskis

ez

[idle star]

yeh i got offered 252 shoulders and a 252 crap ring last 2 vaults

[echo geyser]

its too late im wayy too deep into the farm

[idle star]

i dont punch out a lot of 15's

[echo geyser]

ill do 100 runs if i have to

on wednesday we get patchnotes

[idle star]

this season is so deflated. most of the casual pvpers are gone, RBG's are dead as well... harder to push rating rn

[echo geyser]

"fixed an issue where daggers werent dropping from m+ loot table"

[cerulean junco]

Lmao

The dream

[echo geyser]

then its time to send a ticket for refunded m+ runs

[cobalt pelican]

tbh i barely even know what to do to make my gear better

[echo geyser]

show ur gear

[cobalt pelican]

it feels like anything i can farm is negligible compared to getting lucky in the raid

[echo geyser]

tbh mostly yes

[idle star]

raiding atm sucks for loot.. you get maybe 1 peice for a full run, its a god dam joke....

[echo geyser]

i mean socketed neck and rings are good to upgrade

[warm plover]

Thats insane though

[echo geyser]

rest kinda w/e

[cerulean junco]

Wish they would add something to let you add a domination socket to pieces of gear.

[echo geyser]

i assume u have phial already

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4yCgoBRcueqCyDz48R4GvP

will get offhand from conquest later today i guess

236 belt/wrists aren't even better in most cases

[echo geyser]

oh u got the ring im farming

[idle star]

yeh i hadto sacrifice 239 boots in place of 226 dom socket ones with haste :/

[cobalt pelican]

i guess boe legs

lol

but boosting communities not paying out when you need them to

: (

[echo geyser]

my guild paid like 1mil then i had to pay the rest 1.2

[royal lantern]

@cobalt pelican we dont need high sim dps buddy

[idle star]

why is your guild paying that much?

[cobalt pelican]

i'm waiting for them to go down to like <800k and i might cough up

[echo geyser]

it was early

[idle star]

were you racing for world first?

[echo geyser]

lol no but 1mil isnt that much when u do some mythic boosts

[fallen arch]

Your guild paid for your boe?

[echo geyser]

half almost of 2.2mil yeah

has leech too

[fallen arch]

I’d like to go there

[idle star]

if it aint a race to first place i dont get spending millions on gear

[echo geyser]

now theyre about 1.2-1.4mil tho

[cobalt pelican]

millions really isn't much

[fallen arch]

Meanwhile my guild doesn’t even get me repairbills

[cobalt pelican]

like ram said

if your guild can boost 1-2 ppl post progress even later into the tier

you can easily cover boes on everyone

[echo geyser]

@idle star but why ? u make like 5-12mil per run

1mil isnt much

for a guild

[cobalt pelican]

it's very different to echo having to pay 10m for everything on first day

[echo geyser]

even at not top level

[cobalt pelican]

and xferring shit around

[idle star]

for a ru nof what?

[echo geyser]

a wot

[idle star]

are you carrying ppl through a full Mythic Sanctum clear?

[echo geyser]

i mean yes later

[fallen arch]

Not already

In a few weeks that is gonna be pretty easy for a top 100 guild I assume

[idle star]

i wonder who some of these random ppl are who can afford 12 million gold for 1 run of Mythic sanctum for a chance at ONE peice of loot...

[fallen arch]

And a mount

[echo geyser]

one piece?

[cobalt pelican]

they usually get traders

[fallen arch]

And for the CE

[cobalt pelican]

and it's through the power of the wow token

[echo geyser]

its a full clear when most of guild doesnt need too much loot

[cobalt pelican]

swiss bankers and german stay at home dads

slammin the credit card

[idle star]

wow tokens? 12 million? 1 token atm is 170k... thats a LOT of cash lol

[fallen arch]

Yes it is

[echo geyser]

some people also have like 100s of mil gold

[fallen arch]

Or it is a looot of time spent grinding

[echo geyser]

by playing AH or whatever

[fallen arch]

Or indd playing AH

[idle star]

ive payed like 200k for a M+ dungeon etc... but millions is just stupid

idk just my opinion

[cobalt pelican]

i mean

[fallen arch]

#off-topic stuff tho

[cobalt pelican]

it depends what you have lol

if you think 1m is a lot you're just.. poor

[echo geyser]

some people dont have time to commit to mythic raiding

[idle star]

i never jumped on the garrison abuse train for a retirement fund

wish i did

[cobalt pelican]

it's not even that

[echo geyser]

anyways boe tend to be overpriced when u buy early

[idle star]

i dont have time for mythic raiding.. but what is someone going to do with Mythic raid gear if they dont have any time to use it? makes zero sense.

[echo geyser]

every week they chunk down in price

[cobalt pelican]

ye

i'll buy legs maybe next reset

cause they'll likely be comfy on the 500-800k range by then

[echo geyser]

im prob getting a pair of avoidance later too when its down at below 1mil

i just resold a pair for 2mil

[cobalt pelican]

can't wait for the week after i buy

just getting 8 legs in vault

[echo geyser]

the spires ones are nice

haste vers

what are ur thoughts about the ticking sack btw?

not overperforming or anything right

[cobalt pelican]

honestly not looked much tbh since i've not got one of my own

[echo geyser]

ive got it in my bags thats why im so curious why ppl use it

maybe its to tank ilvl on logs

[cobalt pelican]

from what i have seen just seems overtuned for ilvl but not insane once max options are avail

but will be next patch

[fallen arch]

Is that a thing?

God hope not

[echo geyser]

yes people do that

also log out in worse gear too

[fallen arch]

Yikes

[echo geyser]

i heard that came from pvpers

[cobalt pelican]

easiest thing is just to look at logs using both tbh

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wCJMQa28tx1TpZkD#fight=20&type=damage-done&source=75&translate=true

etc

seems to be consistently few % above 246 phial

[echo geyser]

the hard part i find about comparing this one with normal "agi" ones

is mastery vs agi mainstat

[cobalt pelican]

i know koji pushed a 'fix' for the double proc bug

[echo geyser]

if it was both agi it would be easy

[cobalt pelican]

but it's possible it got removed somehow in builds along the way

[echo geyser]

then i can just see oh this ones 5%

the others 8%

[cobalt pelican]

yea idk, you can always just do spitball math like

assume agi is worse just over double mastery on st

or something like that

it's a bad approach but should at least give approximation

[echo geyser]

its just hard to imagine people use it over 246 phial for example

the sims arent swapping targets in aoe still right?

like

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2oX4WfmPN4sAG9N3tuLXZ6

mastery just seems so shit compared to agi

but maybe the raw dps just makes up for it

it was 200 more dps from the log u sent at least

[cobalt pelican]

that log is also like

not extreme, in most cases it does like 600-700 dps and phial 350-400ish

[echo geyser]

i see

[limber lion]

I mean sack just sims the highest for me

[echo geyser]

would u agree that fusion trinket does lose value if u dont have the full 100% uptime on a target

[limber lion]

It's so easily available

And does mega damage for its ilvl

[echo geyser]

idk exactly how phial works, i think it just keeps building stacks and keeps ticking

[limber lion]

If the downtime happens during the trinket effect, sure

[echo geyser]

like if u pop guardian trinket, then get a bomb on remnant probably

[limber lion]

But otherwise it wins

Phial still requires you to hit your target constantly

[echo geyser]

but the sack actually wants u to lose the dot

cause it explodes

[limber lion]

That's not how it works

[echo geyser]

isnt it 3 stacks to explode

OR

timed out explodes

thats how i read it at least

[manic haven]

So we should all be farming sack basically?

[limber lion]

Yes it is

And it currently performs really well without ever letting it drop

And always grtting to 3 stacks

[echo geyser]

yeah, i was just comparing it to fusion if u were to get a mechanic

[limber lion]

"farm" as in kill the first 2 bosses of HM Tazzavesh once a week

Sure

[echo geyser]

after popping it

[manic haven]

Perhaps targetting was the better word, will get on it

[limber lion]

Yeh but it also loses value if you're not getting a single stack

Fusion amp is 20s out of 90s active

So hoy have 70s of downtime for free

[echo geyser]

yeah thats true

[limber lion]

Sack requires constant application

You can't hit the boss for 20s and then go afk

[echo geyser]

like it sims rn 0.4% worse for me with 239 fusion and 246 phial

[limber lion]

Yeh

I would run phial+fusion myself on single

[echo geyser]

thats just 1 T 5min patchwerk

[limber lion]

And probs phial+sack on aoe - if it sims well

The sim doesn't swap targets too much

[echo geyser]

the target swap wasnt implemented right?

i see

[limber lion]

Just applies dots on multiple targets

But pretty much has judt 1 main target

[echo geyser]

it will for sure be a very crazy trinket next season with m+

imagine getting that in vault with 326 ilvl

are u venthyr btw @limber lion

[limber lion]

No, I'm swapping next week though

SBS is very, very buggy

[echo geyser]

[bronze fiber]

What's been buggy about sbs for everyone I guess I haven't noticed

[limber lion]

[bronze fiber]

I guess I haven't noticed it

[limber lion]

It's awful

You pretty much should never get 1CP from sbs, unless you get parried

But currently it happens the majority of the time

[bronze fiber]

Okay I did notice that I thought it should give me more

Damn and I was enjoying necro to I'm not a fan when I was venthr

[limber lion]

It'll get fixed - eventually

When that is, who knowd

[bronze fiber]

I'll just stay necro then as I do enjoy having that extra button lol

[alpine latch]

ST on Sylvanas?

[limber lion]

What is the question? Xd

Did you mean CT?

[alpine latch]

Sorry

Should I roll pure ST talents on Sylv?

I assume it's about burst and not about add phase, but I've only done it on normal

[limber lion]

Ep/Vig/PB or Ep/Vig/CT

Do not use bs/ds

[alpine latch]

okay, seems easy enough

[limber lion]

Mythic sylvanas is debateable

[alpine latch]

When I get Mythic Sylv it'll be because I'm buying the mount..

lol

I'm 6/10H right now but my guild will probably only get 4-5 bosses down in Mythic

[limber lion]

Fair enough

Who knows, maybe the tier is super mega long again

[sand sigil]

gonna run CT tonight for mythic sylvanas. pb just not worth for 80 more ST dps

maybe it was necessary last week but not once u get gear

[high snow]

anyone know if the bleed from Fine Razorwing Quill counts towards the bonus for bleeds using Doomblade legendary?

[wind dune]

It doesn't

[high snow]

😦

thanks

[limber lion]

I agree

[sand sigil]

i was running pb last night cuz ksp and aestis did but i think it's misplay

[limber lion]

PB is quite underwhelming honestly

[sand sigil]

they just need to tune it up so there's an actual trade off to be had

or make it proc more often

[frail fossil]

agree

idk how much "haste scaling" is a meme but could CT overtake PB at a point if we get more haste in the later tier ?

[cobalt pelican]

it was like that in 8.3 but that was outlandish lvls of haste

[frail fossil]

yeah i doubt we'll get to 8.3 level of haste any time soon

[cobalt pelican]

doubt with real numbers it'll be 'better' but it'll likely get close enough that it's just w/e

[frail fossil]

ye

[spice spire]

Corruption 2.0 baby

[frail fossil]

i do think CT is kinda silly, or maybe PB is just too bad

[fallen arch]

Think the latter

[frail fossil]

ye

i prefer playing CT tbf, i like the maintaining dots playstyle actually

so if i can run it i will most of the time

assa 2t with CT is like very fun

[sand sigil]

yeah necro assa ct is one of the most fun things in the game

[frail fossil]

honestly i like it with venthyr too, it's much easier building up stacks cuz u got so much more energy

but for me peak assa gameplay was like sire p2 as necrolord assa

that was very funny

[random fossil]

u guys track gemstone cd or just the buff when its up?

[frail fossil]

CD

i want to know when it's about to come

etc

there's a good wa for it pretty easy to find

[random fossil]

i have a wa alrady that tracks when the stacks are happening and when the buff is up, but idk how to make it track the cd too

brain too smooth for WAs

[quasi venture]

Something somehow hit PB with a wackamole stick over the expansions with no legit data behind it

[frail fossil]

give me a sec i'll link you one

[gentle gyro]

blizz really insist of throwing every trinket at me except phial

[frail fossil]

https://wago.io/MarrowedGemstone/1

[random fossil]

thank u!

[rigid pine]

I'm still using a 216 phial from 9.0

[gentle gyro]

i still have a 226 one, but it sims lower than any of the above

[frail fossil]

i mean relic and sack

are very good too

[gentle gyro]

relic sims high but feels awkward to me somehow

also the "multitarget" portion of it sounds really worthless

[wary pawn]

done 20+ pfs last 2 weeks 0 phials to be seen

and a guildmate got 252 one first vault 😄

[pine ore]

which gem do you upgrade after unholy - i assume frost one?

[balmy condor]

I ran sims for seli earlier that showed 27% for zoldyck in execute, 54% for doomblade, about 50% for obedience

[frail fossil]

interesting ty professor whispyr

[ruby gust]

how good is this ?

[balmy condor]

not.

[quasi venture]

Its this good

[balmy condor]

it's good enough to equip in both slots to allow trading of 233 trinkets

[quasi venture]

^

[balmy condor]

and then unequipping it and throwing it into the garbage

[sand sigil]

btw @echo geyser phial sims 90 more for me than sack

[sudden canyon]

doomblade beats out obidience in sims for me. does obidience get better with some secondary stat as we get more of it?

[thorny pond]

Doomblade is the preferred ST leggo for sin

Obedience does get more value in certain builds/gear setups but chasing that isn’t worth IMO

[sudden canyon]

upgrading from rank 2 to rank 6 lego just cost the difference cost soul ashe/cinders and the empty r6 item right?

like i dont have to pay all 5k soul ashe just 3k since r2 cost 2k right?

[oblique flare]

you pay only the difference

[sudden canyon]

Damn I really wanna try obidience. Might craft 2 rank 2s. But then I’m behind on my rank6. A soul Ashe catch-up woulda been sick for people who started on 9.1.

[oblique flare]

i mean, you don't really need rank 5 and 6

unless you really want the min max early on

[cerulean nest]

you guys run well placed steel during tyrannical?

[gentle gyro]

i do, but only cause I'm too lazy to swap

[fallen arch]

Yeh

[fallen arch]

Wdym u can catch up on ash

And the last couple of layers give outrageous amounts of ash

[balmy condor]

soul ash is endless

just farm torg

[fallen arch]

Ye

[gleaming jackal]

yeah but then you have to farm torg

[balmy condor]

it's not that bad

[fallen arch]

But it’s maddening to even think about

Having to farm torg

Makes me want to hang mysef ngl

[gentle gyro]

just go layer 10 (12 is too difficult for now) and rush through it

[timid talon]

torghast could be so much more and that's why i dislike it

it just feels tedious atm even with gear and it not taking long

[gentle gyro]

that's for all of wow

embodiment of wasted potential

[vestal wren]

torghast is the first try of blizz to make a roguelike

no company i know of nailed a roguelike first try

don't get me wrong, its terrible. But its also expected to be just that depending on how early the iteration is

[sudden canyon]

dont u get like 100 soul ashe per run. thats 52 runs for a rank 4 😵‍💫

[fallen arch]

The first will get you major bulk already

[vestal wren]

you can run it on lower levels to be faster

the soul ash value lost due to it being lower floor is probably worth less than the time saving

[sudden canyon]

yea, i meant after ur 1k runs

[vivid steeple]

idk about you but ive been used to WoW introducing systems and butchering them for a while

[lone wren]

don't be mean like that ....some of us have been so unlucky that it's actually our highest simming trink 😦

[balmy condor]

play more :)

if one of the worst trinkets in the game is your best, that's a problem

[lone wren]

i have been raiding 5 days a week and getting 10 15s done every week since the patch 😦

im the only one in our guild still rocking 233 daggers and no set bonus, it feels great

my vault last week was so bad, i didn't even pick anything until i went through raid to see if i get any pieces ...and at the end of the day ended up having to pick a pair of legs out of my vault that will be replaced with a normal socket the moment i get another shard.

rng gods have not been kind to me

[subtle tundra]

dont worry im in the same boat as you!

[warped temple]

@balmy condor we are phial-less gamers forever. 🥰

[reef isle]

anyone know if i should line up vendetta with fusion amplifier all the time or just use the trinket on cd

[subtle tundra]

the other rogue's gear is so much better than mine there's literally no way i get in on prog

[lone wren]

and blizzard wonders why they are losing players to FFXIV and other games

we want to play their game and their systems and rng prevent us and keep pushing us out lol

in legion i started the expansion playing unholy dk, and if you remember you NEEDED those bracers as DK and i wasn't getting any useful legendaries and they had that bad luck protection thing and i was running a raid as frost and forgot i had my loot set to frost and it dropped a frost legendary as my 4th ....and i straight up quit playing

[subtle tundra]

literally he has 252 dagger, unholy socket bonus, 5 ilvls over me

i dont have a single dps shard

[fallen arch]

Keep faith brothers

In due time, everyone will get their portion of luck

[subtle tundra]

yea just after sylvanas dies

[warped temple]

u got this!!!

[balmy condor]

me and mr oinks

[warped temple]

the lucky charm has been brought out!

[plain thistle]

good luck

[balmy condor]

didn't happen

go again

[toxic root]

Does assa works in m+?

[balmy condor]

it's good enough

[toxic root]

Zoldyck is a must ?

Or I can run db ?

[sudden canyon]

does obidience preffer crit or haste

[obtuse robin]

is relic of the frozen waste trinket bugged? i dont see the impaling dmg in details

[sudden canyon]

id assume crit for more cp generation

[lone wren]

lol i just ran a PF with someone and a phial dropped and he didn't need it ...so i got a 236 phial ..maybe i should come here and complain more often :p

[cloud bramble]

wtf did they have that they didn't need? dang

[lone wren]

listen i didn't care i didn't ask they offered it and i said yes

[pure moth]

I got a 226 phial the last week of season... and after 6 pf's i got one. Daggers on the other hand, just don't exist.

[sudden canyon]

are the extra stats that showup on raidbots for crafted accessories just a visual bug?

or does it sim them like that

[wild bone]

does SBS stack with doomblade?

[ornate charm]

soo sub is still the to go spec right ?

[cloud bramble]

#subtlety

[limber lion]

Def run Zold in m+

[balmy condor]

unsure what this question is supposed to answer, but obedience doesn't change our stat priority in any meaningful way

venthyr as a whole already prefers more crit than other covenants because it gets a huge haste steroid every minute and a half

obedience doesn't really change that too much

[sudden canyon]

i wasnt sure if i should craft the 230 haste neck or crit neck

and couldnt sim it without crafting it

[azure bronze]

gear compare

[ripe saddle]

how do you even aoe as assassin for lets say clearing raid trash pack lol

[azure bronze]

and just find the necks and give them the stats you want

[limber lion]

Don't

Assa is pretty awful on raid trash

[olive peak]

does it matter which of the 3 shards you put on the helmet to activate the set bonus?

[fallen arch]

1. Get weapon
2. Tricks on your hunters
3. Use weapon do 180k dps and profit

[fallen arch]

Nope

[gusty mirage]

Hey everyone

random question

does the phial actually exist?

[fallen arch]

Nah

Dont think so bruh

[strange python]

Nadjia still the best choice for m+?

[limber lion]

Just use Theotar

If you play Sub and Sin, you can use Assa with Nadja and Sub with Theotar everywhere

It's very minimal

[strange python]

Thanks

[thorny pond]

Theo is best friend

[stone gate]

Yo guys

Ive only been playing for like 2 weeks and I got this

People told me its good, should I use it, or sell it or what?

[limber lion]

Either or

[proven brook]

If you like gold sell it, if you like gear equip it

[stone gate]

It doesnt look better than my current one tho but im not sure

[limber lion]

Just sell it

[stone gate]

my current one has a prismatic socket I legit dont know what that is lol

[thorny pond]

You put a gem in it for extra stat

[limber lion]

Yeh, you can put a gem in it to get +16 of either haste, crit, versatility or mastery

[stone gate]

Alright

[toxic root]

tyvm

[spark patrol]

hey folks anybody uses this trinket?
https://www.wowhead.com/item=186437/relic-of-the-frozen-wastes?bonus=6805#comments
it sims better then my 236 ooze but it looks like 💩 in details

maybe im not using it right

[scenic jetty]

that trinket is garbonzo

it needs a buff or rework

[spark patrol]

i wonder why it sims so good 🤔

[mental trout]

where does salvaged fusion amplifier the trinket show up in details?

[dim ledge]

As damage

[spark patrol]

looks like this

see frozen heart + nerrubian ambush

yeah on cd

tried on dummy

it's like 1min cd

im feeling like just adding it on envenom ability macross

will strike every on min or so

dont see the need to manually press it in particular time

[dim ledge]

I think that’s a bad habit but if it works for you do it mate

[lavish lichen]

Is deathspikes a valid option in m+?

don't see it mentioned in FAQ but seems decent on hero damage

[limber swallow]

it's valid. It's just not going to be as good as zoldyck

and right now, bonespike bug would make that hard to recommend crafting above level 4

[lavish lichen]

Yea thats fair, recently started gearing my rogue so resources are pretty limited and if I can get a leggo that works for multiple specs then certainly a plus

Will likely just funnel ash and make them all I guess

[limber swallow]

obedience is your best bet if you want one leggo that works for multiple specs, but you'll have to go venthyr

[lavish lichen]

Yes was considering that, but I really enjoy the SBS mini game

[limber swallow]

agreed, bone spikes ftw.

[fallen arch]

Boney boys assemble

Make sure to report bug

[lavish lichen]

yep I sure did

wish someone put it in pins

think it would help

to report the bug I mean

[visual stratus]

I'm having trouble reaching max stacks on Flag when playing Assa. Is it to be expected or am i doing something wrong? I just don't feel like i get enough CP in the Flag window to do it.

[gusty mirage]

Deathspike sucks now don’t make it

[gusty mirage]

That’s normal, you’ll average around 20-24 stacks

[limber swallow]

it's only simming 50 dps behind zoldyck's for me.. both 262..

[visual stratus]

That's what i'm around. Thanks!

[gusty mirage]

You do you man. Not worth it IMO but hey, to each their own

[limber swallow]

I haven't crafted it. I was just shocked it was that close.

[lavish lichen]

do the sims reflect the bug?

[limber swallow]

no

[gusty mirage]

I just wish we had old deathspike

[limber swallow]

well, blame outlul for that.

I might craft it at 235 just for daily quest stuff..

I've got like 15k soul ash just sitting around..

[gusty mirage]

They could’ve just made it so the additional spikes didn’t flurry and it would’ve been fine

I messed around with it on ptr for a while, and it was so much fun to play with

[limber swallow]

Yea, It was a ton of fun on the PTR... I feel like the current implementation was a very quick fix. My confidence in their ability to get it right is pretty low though based on the current state.

[regal ledge]

why tf cant I do chapter 9 of Revendreth campaign

[balmy condor]

what renown are you

[regal ledge]

47

just isn't giving me any quiest to start it

[balmy condor]

there's nothing in korthia

?

[regal ledge]

Have 1 thing in Korthia atm

haven't done a whole lot there wanted to finish this shite first

[balmy condor]

the questlines all come from korthia

[regal ledge]

Thought thats a different campaign

[balmy condor]

they're connected

9th chapter is 9.1 content

comes from the korthia stuff

[regal ledge]

ohh

fuck

I'll go do some stuff there, thanks

[cyan kite]

RIP the nerzhul helmet unholy set bonus dream

I thought you could set lootspec after the kill ..

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor yo whisp, is it normal that 262 doomblade sims a bit higher then obidience

or is my shit just funky

[balmy condor]

yeah that's kinda normal

[royal lantern]

yeeee, the braindeadcantdowrong option is better

👌

perfect

[balmy condor]

obedience vers just helps with sylv daggers and shit

so it catches up a little

[royal lantern]

eh

as if i drop the dagger

in the next 5months

[hollow talon]

hey can i still get this transmog appearance or no

[royal lantern]

nope

[balmy condor]

also #transmog

[hollow talon]

[balmy condor]

exists

[hollow talon]

oh true

ty

[fleet moat]

how many targets should you use fan of knives as sin?

[scenic jetty]

3+ ?

[balmy condor]

3 to apply poisons, 4 to generate

[fleet moat]

copy, ty ❤️

[icy ember]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/28#boss=2435&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&covenant=2&difficulty=4

can someone explain to me 1) why blindside isn't taken and 2) why obedience isn't used when clearly they are pointed out to be the best

[mental trout]

so what conduits yall running for M+? have been playing sin in M+ this week and it feels pretty good. im necro, usually just run outlaw but my ST slaps on Sin and aoe isnt to bad even with the wrong leggo

[icy ember]

just cuz of the aoe obviously and its not single target

[fleet moat]

there is no execute on sylvannas and EP/Vigor is better for multi target which is p1 and p2 as well as good times to pool energy in P3. As far as the lego. Doomblade requires very little execution to be close to its sim dps while obedience requires a good amount of execution to get full value

at least thats my take

[fluid glade]

yo where's the defensive spreadsheet

found it nvm

[icy ember]

but doomblade is used throughout the whole raid, is obedience that difficult to maintain fully?

[slow marsh]

its not really that its difficult to maintain

it's that there are outside factors that can dampen its strengths in a fight such as downtime / mechanics

[royal lantern]

its simply like

you cant fuck up with doomblade, cus you litearlly play the same

[slow marsh]

ye

[royal lantern]

you can fuck up with obidience in theory, if you somehow manage to screw up a flag window

used it too late/used it and then need to move etc....

[slow marsh]

and even then, the gains for obedience are very minimal for sin

so it's just not worth

[sonic spire]

Has anyone noticed how much the sbs bug actually affects raid dps? It’s noticeably annoying in keys with the dot disappearing but it doesn’t seem to be very impactful in raid… that’s just my opinion though

[balmy condor]

it's more impactful in aoe

[zinc frost]

Yeah nothing like putting your garrotes up, CT, go into an SBS.. oh wait it’s on CD. Or go to snipe a mob with a charge off CD and it remains on CD. Feelsbadman

[sonic spire]

I hope they fix it so I can be more secure in my necro overlords :3

[regal ledge]

Crit/Haste for Obedient lego right

[gentle gyro]

crit haste for sin only, haste versa for multispec iirc

[regal ledge]

mm not sure which to go with xd

[blazing chasm]

is Necrolord better then venthyr in M+?

[azure bronze]

if SBS bug gets fixed they are near each other

[blazing chasm]

oke ty 😄

[cyan kite]

for me EP/Vig sims 100 DPS lower for ST than BS/DS

which seems like it makes sense but basically all the top logs use EP/Vig, even for pure ST like guardian

[regal ledge]

Man Cant decide whether to go haste or vers idk if i'll end up playing a different spec

[azure bronze]

Cloak vers is also good for assa

Difference between the 2 stats isn't that big

The amount of secondary stats on cloak is also the lowest I think if you compare it to other pieces

[regal ledge]

Don't wanna make wrong choice it's all my soul ash 🤣

[azure bronze]

I mean you could sim haste/crit vs crit /vers in top gear

See how big the difference is

[regal ledge]

Hm true

[thorny pond]

The reason you take the haste crit is because that’ll be consistent. The rest of your pieces you can change or gem/chant