assassination

[ancient kraken]

there is no reason to switch to sub if you really enjoy assa

other classes are forced into a corner, just be happy we can play so much stuff

[vagrant tapir]

whats the current renown cap

[shy dust]

51

[viscid spear]

Well I have 11 cats so it's just "<cat name>kitten".

[pearl jungle]

Evening guys..
What is the prio stats for assa on raid?

[slow marsh]

right now it's pretty much sin while progging minus fatescribe and guardian, maybe painsmith as well. sub is better in the fights where you can just sit on boss the whole time and not worry about mechanics / funnel into boss with adds (fatescribe). Sin is much safer all around though and is just as competitive. At the end up the day its up to you, you can play either or on any fight

[main wharf]

my friend is named "babykitten" and i told her and she said that the "bloodline grows"

[woeful orbit]

Thanks @slow marsh , and presumably it goes on back

[slow marsh]

yep

[woeful orbit]

my man

[quaint sequoia]

damn layer 12 is so fucking overtuned for dps

[viscid spear]

Been using the "Crazy Cat Lady" title since I got it all the way back in Mists.

[gentle gyro]

ok, without inhaling too much copium, is it possible that the unholy set sort of skews the parse percentiles a bit?

cause i refuse to believe that I'm runnin grey logs

[fallow glacier]

It ain't skewing it that much my boy

[gentle gyro]

yeash i figured

[fallow glacier]

[gentle gyro]

like it's not my main char but it used to be and I'm not that bad usually

[limber lion]

I mean it's a lot of damage for sure

but not everyone has it

and it's not exactly 3k dps

if you're gray loggin

[gentle gyro]

just as an example

hc guardian

i'm not the dude to run orange parses by any means

but also not grey

[nimble tartan]

were u too respectful of your friends while targeted by a circle

next time let them move for you thats at least another 5% in parse

[silk rampart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/25CnM4ZhQ2hC4uWcLRTuRx im the devil rogue 😦

[limber lion]

I mean I did 9.1k on Guardian

so there's definitely something there.

[gentle gyro]

something tells me you have a tiny gear advantage over me

[limber lion]

Sure

but not 3k

[gentle gyro]

i'm comfortable with this

[limber lion]

Unholy is like 1k dps

[gentle gyro]

just an alt and all that

[nimble tartan]

is it normal or heroic

[limber lion]

Even without Unholy and at 231 ilvl, I was doing 7.2k

[gentle gyro]

that's hc

[nimble tartan]

its a slow kill forsure

think if it wasnt so slow and u didnt have scuff alt it would allign more with ur other parses perhaps

[patent harness]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gentle gyro]

half the dps died over the encounter because doding a giant ass laser is hard

[sonic schooner]

True

[flat oar]

is frost now better than unholy for assa?

[sonic schooner]

That's why we cloak the laser

Don't do that please

[heavy coral]

Chads shadowstep the laser

[gentle gyro]

na you need shadowstep for the circles

[viscid spear]

[sonic schooner]

Feint + cast Necro shield to tank the laser

[flat oar]

knocks you back tho

[sonic schooner]

I didn't even know that

[flat oar]

shadowstep didn't place me in front of the boss but into the laser today, that's how i found out

[sonic schooner]

Should ve teleported you behind the boss

[gentle gyro]

and told the kid it's nothing personal

[flat oar]

frost > unholy now or what? bloodmallet says yes, i'm confused -.-

[gentle gyro]

i can't imagine frost being better

[sonic schooner]

Unholy is ded

[flat oar]

[tawdry sparrow]

yooo, i am confused.. do i go doomblade for raiding now? cus i am about to get my 262 legendary

even if i wanna push M+ as sin?

[flat oar]

i just did that

[tawdry sparrow]

logs for raiding say doomblade all the way

[gentle gyro]

i haven#t looked at bloodmallet in a while, is that for the set bonus or just the single shards

cause fuck single shards

[flat oar]

the colored bar is the set bonus, the orange part is just the shard

[gentle gyro]

huh. interesting

[flat oar]

blue = frost green = unholy red = blood

[gentle gyro]

might depends on how much crit one has

[flat oar]

so the shards itself are better from unholy or blood, but the bonus of frost seems way higher

[gentle gyro]

if only blizz gave us a tooltip that contained any information whatsoever

[flat oar]

i'm rocking 37% crit in raidgear atm and i don't have an unholy item yet, so i guess i'll just upgrade my frost shards instead

[gentle gyro]

no seriously wtf is this

[flat oar]

yeah the buff tooltipp is different, don't know why they didn't just take that for the item as well

[gentle gyro]

can you actually look up what the set does in game?

or is blizz treating wowhead as a suitable replacement for proper tooltips again

[flat oar]

if you wear it and have the buff you can

[gentle gyro]

better than nothin I suppose

[balmy condor]

need a lot of gear to get to that point

[flat oar]

While inside the Maw or Torghast, each time you deal a critical strike the Winds accumulate 12% of that effect, up to a cap of 360 per critical strike. Every 20 sec, the Winds unleash, dealing Frost damage equal to the total accumulation and sorrounding you in the Winds for 20 sec, absorbing 100% of damage dealt by the Winds.

that's what my buff says

for frost

maybe it was too much text for the item itself ^^

[topaz sparrow]

anyone got a spreadsheet on windfury totem dmg per class?

[teal bloom]

It's pinned in wowgeneral channel

[topaz sparrow]

ty

[gentle gyro]

at least one of my chars has good dps logs

[quaint sequoia]

damn torghast layer 12 is aids as a rogue

[gentle gyro]

layer 12 is nuts

[sharp panther]

tbf the recommended ilvl for layer 12 is like 245? somewhere around there

[quaint sequoia]

252

[gentle gyro]

went through it with some guildies, fuck soloing that place

[quaint sequoia]

it was a cakewalk on my dh tank 20 ilvls lower than my rogue

[gentle gyro]

i'm abusing the abundance of demon hunters

[quaint sequoia]

fair tuning between roles

[sharp panther]

oh jeez that’s a bit higher lol

yeah i go with a tank

[obsidian socket]

Rogue 12s start out slow and speed up when you get the shadowstep = 400% finisher damage

[gentle gyro]

you need to "prepare" a bit for it and reset for the proper powers

if you want a 5 - star, that is

[quaint sequoia]

just doing it for leggo mats, but feels bad that i takes 1hour+ on my rogue and like 20min on my dh

[short token]

is this a good week to use zoldyck over MA for m+?

[viscid spear]

Yeah, my Blood DK just pulls a room, casts Fleshcraft, and asplodes

[mint kindle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[brazen flare]

So lets say I’m using obedience for ST in raid, should I always be casting Flagellation with Vendetta or use Flag on cd?

[fervent rune]

Cd

[main wharf]

literally the same as my friend, seems those two things go hand in hand

[fervent rune]

What’s everyone using? Ep/vigor or Bs/Ds for venth in raid

Been using ep vigor but thought about switching

[gentle gyro]

i've tried both and i like ep - vigor better

but they are really similar in terms of dps

if you want to min max, sim yourself and decide based on that

[wintry mica]

yea for me at least, bs/ds sims a bit higher but ep and vigor feels better to play and makes you less likely to cap energy while doing mechanics

[wintry mica]

on CD as others said, you can usually fit a flag in between each vendetta when using ovedience

[brazen flare]

Ty, I normally have to wait like 10-15 for the 3rd one to line up with Ven which is why i was asking

[gentle gyro]

you should only wait for them to line up if you can reasonably assume to not get another cast in the fight

[wintry mica]

at that point its probably okay to hold, but the important thing is not losing a cast

[brazen flare]

ok noted, tn is the first night im gonna be using it over doomblade because of dom sockets so ty!

[wintry mica]

gotta get that doomblade recrafted on cloak unfortunately lol

[brazen flare]

yeah...

It's only like SLIGHTLY better in ST right?

[gentle gyro]

yeah

[brazen flare]

might just not recraft it unless we're getting close to CE again then

[wintry mica]

technically the pure ST sim has obedience ahead by like 20 dps

assuming the sims in pin are up to date

[gentle gyro]

depends, for me doomblade was simming higher ever so slightly

[odd heath]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[brazen flare]

^ was for me as well, not sure why

[wintry mica]

probably comes down to the value of the vers depending on your current gear

[gentle gyro]

because the short answer to any question X is

got a new toy. I actually wanted the shoulders..

[echo geyser]

anyone else feel like obed feels bad on sylvanas?

[gentle gyro]

everything feels bad on sylv because that fight fucking sucks

[echo geyser]

facts i guess

[thorny pond]

P1 is ass

[ebon thorn]

just wanna announce

after all the grinding

i no longer have 2x226 weapons

ty for coming to my ted talk

[strange python]

If I have 1 Slyv dagger, does it matter if it's MH or OH?

[woeful orbit]

Respect the grind. I, too, was in the same boat (but with 2x 220s). I acquired a 226 and then the heroic sylv dagger.

Stay strong, kings. The promised land is available to all

[echo geyser]

@ebon thorn im more than 40 runs deep

end me

[ebon thorn]

do u want a trader

weapon for phial(without speed/avoidance/leech etc)

[echo geyser]

yes

[ebon thorn]

phial would be much bigger than 2nd 236 wep i think

[echo geyser]

yeah offhand is garbo

[thorny pond]

Highest ilvl in MH. Procs same regardless

[echo geyser]

unless its sylv one

but sylv are garbo for sin anyways so

[obsidian socket]

How are they Garbo you take that back

[winged basin]

I ran PF 16 for my first time this season yesterday and got phial trade to me on a roll vs 2 others

[echo geyser]

twice as bad compared to sub

still bis but yeah

@ebon thorn 15min, have another trader coming

[obsidian socket]

Sub blows anyways 😒

[echo geyser]

i gave away 3 phials yday

[ebon thorn]

man

give me some

[echo geyser]

[ebon thorn]

2nd offhand is

+14 st

[charred wraith]

we have 2 rogues in our comp, for me as sin, normal edge of night was a 30 dps upgrade, for him as sub it was a 180 dps upgrade , we both had 233 offhand

[ebon thorn]

lets go

[echo geyser]

yeah a same ilvl 233 dagger from sire was only 0.2% worse than normal sylv dagger for sin

thats like big sadge

[slim jay]

sbs still bugged?

[solid venture]

yep

[ebon thorn]

phial a solid 0.8%

[echo geyser]

at 236 or 246

[novel moss]

I tried grinding the Mists dagger

after like 30 runs and no drop i checked wowhead

k

[echo geyser]

im pretty sure those arent correct

that should be m0 and even then i dont think its correct

[novel moss]

what can i do and theres so many more i want to die

all mists

[ebon thorn]

just do twice those

and then

twice of those again

you'll get it for sure

[echo geyser]

sounds about right

in 100 runs ull have it for sure

[thorny pond]

Look at the plus side, you’re getting really good at mists

[charred wraith]

im grinding it too atm, the 0,5% chance kinda worried me, but it must be incorrect, tho dont remember seeing it even in s1

[echo geyser]

its not possible

imagine ur more l ikely to get a raid mount lol

no way

[charred wraith]

well 0,5% chance is for hc mots dagger iirc, there just can always be a bug

[honest needle]

for bone spike dp i use it instead of mutilate when its available

[ebon thorn]

do u guys believe him

[honest needle]

or do i always save it to dump with gemstone ?

[torn atlas]

I think it's meant to read - I cant ank

[signal jay]

All trick of trade the healer 👀

[charred wraith]

just tricks each other one by one and chain evasion with "preared for all" conduit , cos the nastiest magic abilities, conduit will help

[torn atlas]

Throw in a little earth elemental during Evasion cd and you should be sweet.

[grizzled orbit]

What anima power should we always be going for in keys? is there a guide somewhere?

[wintry mica]

Stone ward, champions mark, plumage I take basically every time

[summer onyx]

Are there any good Torghast guides for Sin? Trying to solo my way to a flawless on layer 12

[wintry mica]

I personally have done better as sub in torg, but later 12 is brutal and I’m not in any position to give advice on how to 5 star it lol

[grizzled orbit]

You cant change talents in tor, right?

[wintry mica]

You can right before you start, or inside the brokers bubbles

[grizzled orbit]

I can imagine there will be alot of talent changes in a solo 12

[main hearth]

Just bring in a DH and 5* less headache

[wintry mica]

Tru

[summer onyx]

Best score I've done so far is 179, but I still need to catch up on the Box talents, and I didn't know that the empowerment gave you double points for its duration too. I think it's feasible but I haven't really ever looked at any guides for Torg. It seems like the time is harder than anything else when it comes to 5 stars

[wintry mica]

Yea time is a lot of points, skipping a couple of mobs that take a long time or are out of the way can gain you points overall

[balmy condor]

This shit is giga bait

[main hearth]

Is that a challenge? Lol

[summer onyx]

I've been doing 100% clears lol but I'm thinking it's not worth it

[novel moss]

x'D I have done 29 runs and counting

[heavy coral]

I personally do 260+ points on every run as sub

With right animas its blasting

Its all about those tiny details

Like finishing run with 500+ phantasma

[wild beacon]

yeah i need to look up all the bonus point stuff

seems like that's the play

[summer onyx]

Wait, having phantasma at the end of the layer affects score? I usually wind up with a ton of it right before boss but I've been spending it all on whatever

[heavy coral]

Not sure if it works, but i pop empowerement just before i enter floor 3, so you get 100% emp bonus on it

[summer onyx]

Just because I thought it wouldn't benefit me to not spend it

[heavy coral]

Its bonus points afaik

[dim ledge]

You need 500 per person

It’s not linear scaling point awards

[heavy coral]

Oh and, dont pick epic animas

There are points for that as well

[summer onyx]

is there a list of all the things that award bonus points? i looked on wowhead but i didnt see anything about the bonus phantasma points or epic animas

i just know you want to hold onto phantasma in adamant vaults

[heavy coral]

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/59735-how-to-always-get-flawless-score-in-torghast-patch-91/

This helped me alot

[summer onyx]

thanks, was just about to look at what icy veins had for torg

[heavy coral]

Pretty straight forward tips for some juicy points

[obtuse quest]

Hello 🙂 One question guys all my sims told me that i should pick blindside + deeper but the people on wlogs use ep+vigor no matter can someone explain me why?

[dim ledge]

I also think it’s more forgiving to play because more energy, more fun, and overall more versatile

[obtuse quest]

seems reasonable hahaha thanks @dim ledge

[honest needle]

where is the assasination soulbind tree what happen to it i dont see it in pins

[vocal sphinx]

Hello guys, just a question regarding Obedience on ST, do I use Flag on cd and not try to sync it with vendetta?

[untold nest]

@honest needle check faq channel

[honest needle]

is emeni safe to use for sin raid because i use bonesmith for outlaw

[potent rune]

correct me if im wrong but i believe with obedience u can knock roughly 30sec off the cd of flag making it a 1min cd lining up with vendetta every other cast

[honest needle]

bi dont see it in faq either @untold nest

[potent rune]

#assassination-faq message

[honest needle]

im looking for the sooul bind tree

where it shows everything to get for each soulbind

[hardy prairie]

hey someone know why is it recommended to run the sylvannas dagger in offhand?

[honest needle]

not that

[narrow minnow]

yea, there used to be a pic of the soulbind trees in the pins but it's gone

[narrow minnow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/862282777315508234/Soulbinds_sin_91.png

[honest needle]

yes that

where did u find it

[narrow minnow]

in my history...

[honest needle]

ok so let me ask if i play outlaw dungeons and assaisnation raid should i use bonesmith for outlaw and emeni for assasintion or the other way around ?

cause i mainly do keys

i @narrow minnow

[narrow minnow]

that's a question for the better rogues here, i'm still getting into it myself

[balmy condor]

Gone, sim yourself

[balmy condor]

For this specifically, both emeni and bonesmith are fine for both specs, so set one up for one, and the other for the other

[honest needle]

@balmy condor what conduits do i use for the endurance and finesse for emeni

i cant find it on the tree

it only shows potency

[chilly viper]

its up to you

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

Endurance and finesse are all personal preference and don’t have an effect on your performance

[honest needle]

@balmy condor I kno i was asking the recommended

[balmy condor]

There is no recommended, because it’s personal preference

The preference is one of the conduits that you have

[frosty cedar]

shadowstep one overiq

[chilly marsh]

for m+ you level Cor orBek ?

[balmy condor]

Both

[chilly marsh]

you dont prio one?

[balmy condor]

Not really no

The cost goes up hella

There’s no reason to just level one of them

[shut garnet]

ideally u dont prio any since the gain from a single one being max rank is minimal, while the set bonus in raids is megastonks

and the set bonus rank scales off the rank of the lowest shard

even if u absolutely never touch raid, idk just weird to max one i guess

[balmy condor]

Like why would you spend 50 embers getting your bek another 0.3% when you could spend 5 and get 0.3% on cor

[chilly marsh]

im skiping raid this tier

only doing m+

but got the point about cost

ty

[indigo ginkgo]

so we craft obedience has venthir or doomblade 265 ? cuz i see a lot of logs with 265 doomblade has venthir

[echo geyser]

doomblade is safe cant go wrong

[chilly marsh]

@balmy condor about shards

bek you dont get bonus on opening right ? only under 50% hp

cor is better in this case no?

no extra garrotes dmg

[balmy condor]

Cor isnt active for as long

[chilly marsh]

only if packs last long tough

bek will only be better if pack last more than 40s no?

more uptime than cor

but still not extra opening dmg

[rose junco]

Is envenom damage tied to weapon damage?

[lavish zinc]

Alright. i have a dilema im trying to figure out.
When i have 4/5 combo. Garot / shiv is in long CD.
I have serrated bone available.

Should I envenime 4 combo. Or seratine bone (5./5 + lose 1 combo) and envenom ?
Which one would provide the most damage on a long fight ?

rogue 237 assa

(ignore vendetta / vanish i was just trying to get a demonstrative set up)

[balmy condor]

You would finish

[lavish zinc]

that;s what im doing currently. Envenom 4/5 combo.

And overall try to keep Bones for vendetta and shiving

[balmy condor]

You should be using them during gemstone, or extending lbe/Kevin during vendetta

[graceful mirage]

jesus christ im 2 blood, 2 frost and 1 unholy shard

pls end me

[balmy condor]

I was 2 blood 2 frost 2 unholy, missing the unholy AND the frost dps gem

Killed sylvanas after the guaranteed shard, got dyz

[gloomy knoll]

kind of disagree

endurance is very powerful

especially in a raid this healing intensive for early prog

slice and dice and the generic heal one go brrrrrrrrr

[kind veldt]

as sin, youre not casting SnD very much, unless its healing on refresh from envs

never really tested

[gloomy knoll]

you heal as long as snd is up

not on casts

[balmy condor]

40 hps brrrrrrrrr

[gloomy knoll]

i meaaan

they gave me 160k hp

on the nerzul kill this week

that's not nothin xd

[kind veldt]

imo, using the feint/vial reduction cost is the moveeeee

[balmy condor]

That’s a 6 min fight

[gloomy knoll]

every mythic fight is like

6+ minutes this tier

free hp

[balmy condor]

Now show overheal

No hiding now

[gloomy knoll]

almost nothing

[balmy condor]

[gloomy knoll]

😛

[kind veldt]

overheal on vial

YOU EVEN VIAL BRO

[echo geyser]

it usually never overheals

[gloomy knoll]

i am gamer

[echo geyser]

cause its ticking for so little

[gloomy knoll]

i press defensives

lol

[graceful mirage]

well now i AM 2/2/2

i want die

[kind veldt]

SHOW FEINT CAST

RIGHT NOW @gloomy knoll

[gloomy knoll]

only 3 that fight

not as many as i should have

just used on shatters

[balmy condor]

Also true

[gloomy knoll]

usually i use on shatters and some knocks

[balmy condor]

Idk like yeah you use endurance ones

Having endurance is good vs not having endurance

[gloomy knoll]

yerp

i honestly think for nadjia

[balmy condor]

But I feel like you can really pick whatever you want

[gloomy knoll]

u go double endurance

over the healthpot soulbind

is just more hps over a fight

these also only 226

they go get even better 🙂

[kind veldt]

yeah more HPS, but burst healing and that shield is sometimes really nice

when its needed

[gloomy knoll]

eh

i never found it needed

[kind veldt]

rather than stagnant healing

[gloomy knoll]

almost ever

[kind veldt]

remnant, the consistent healing is nice

[gloomy knoll]

i'd much rather take anima sphere over that lil sheild

[cobalt pelican]

i leave those conduit spots open to make a statement

healers do your job

[fleet anchor]

Healing charts already filter overhealing by default

You have to manually click "Raw Healing" to show the total, rather than the other way around

And shows up as faded on the bar

[fleet anchor]

Rookie numbers tho

The real ranks that matter

[balmy condor]

Blood users

Weird he

[echo geyser]

how much leech do u have on ur gear? @fleet anchor

[fleet anchor]

124 rating

[echo geyser]

and the gem is how much alone

50?

[fleet anchor]

45

[echo geyser]

nice

do u think leech is better than avoidance this tier?

[fleet anchor]

Hmm kinda tricky, Avoidance seems good too since lots of AoEs

But I'm not gonna complain about having 50 leech on my Fusion Amplifier loool

[echo geyser]

thats a juicy one

[fleet anchor]

ngl when using Blood set plus Feint and stuff, I feel kinda invincible on some of these fights

Pretty hard to die outside of actual one-shots

[echo geyser]

so far i felt the most useful feint is remnant

[fleet anchor]

Feint is op as hell on Remnant

[echo geyser]

did u find any other good bosses / spells?

i run the nimble feint conduit on that b oss

has to be worth when u feint every bomb

[royal lantern]

@gloomy knoll are you 1 of the cool guys that is using feint on the aoe in p3 sylvanas?

ngl, sylvanas is a fight where feint is really strong

like, feels ToS strong

[fleet anchor]

Feint works on like all the passive damage on Nine (Resentment), and the big explosions iirc so it's pretty good when you're dropping mechanics

[royal lantern]

its just on syl

you have a big absorb shield and 40%hp?

feint and laugh

meanwhile other people either throw a immunty or die

+vial is actually good for breaking the absorb anyway

[fleet anchor]

But yeah Feint working on Wailing Arrow in particular is pretty pog

[royal lantern]

ye, arrow and the banshe explosion shit

[fleet anchor]

Works on the AoE damage from breaking shards on KT, which isn't huge but if you break 2-3 at a time it can be a lot (since even in Heroic it's like 16k base damage)

[royal lantern]

i prepare myself for the feint nerf

[echo geyser]

6sec feint too strong man

[royal lantern]

"feint actually did something again for this tier, to adjust that, we increased the energy cost to 80 and reduced the timer again to 4seconds"

[fleet anchor]

Unfortunately I don't think it works on Purging Protocol for standard "who knows?" reasons

Although it does work on the Unstable Energy within the orbs and the drops

On Guardian

[shell ivy]

Wtf u telling me I was using feint for no reason on the purge 😭

[fleet anchor]

At least I don't think it works on purge

The numbers don't seem right in WCL if it does

Although I'm sure it works on Obliterate

[shell ivy]

What can you feint in remnant? Didn’t know it was that good on that fight

[fleet anchor]

Everything

lol

Knockback damage and Shatter are the big ones

[shell ivy]

[fleet anchor]

If your timings are good you can fit the mass double knockback and shatter damage into a single Feint

[shell ivy]

Awesome

[fleet anchor]

Actually I lied, it does work on Purging Protocol

Just the base mitigation is lower on WCL for some reason

Not sure why

It also works on Sentry Fire, which is hilarious and I have no idea why

[sonic schooner]

Makes feint no energy cost like in pvp pls

[fleet anchor]

At least it's fairly cheap with Nimble Fingers

[gloomy knoll]

you have to or you just get fragged lol

[gloomy knoll]

LOL fucking blood link and leech through the roof

big heals 💪

[fleet anchor]

Haha it's even worse(better) as Sub, it's actually insane for world questing in Korthia and stuff

[gloomy knoll]

jesus

[fleet anchor]

I watch all these poor pleb specs having to do all kinds of crazy shit while fighting elites

I'm just sitting there at 90-100% HP soloing them

Blood Set is really fun for this haha

I'm sure I'll still swap to Unholy since it's a bit stronger but Blood is still nice

[gloomy knoll]

yea even the little bit of leech from unholy is nice

i just pop evasion and dance on every elite

[royal lantern]

UH set is just stupid

[gloomy knoll]

while people gotta wait for the homies

[echo geyser]

the unholy speed gem still bugged

upgraded doesnt give more speed

[gloomy knoll]

it's bugged?

[fleet anchor]

I actually felt bad earlier.. I was soloing one of the elites

[echo geyser]

r4 its still 45 speed

[fleet anchor]

Was down to like 50% hp I was just chilling

Mage comes along

Since I'm Sub, every time I Shadow Dance it drops threat

He's sitting there getting trucked, having to blink around, ice block, etc. lol

[royal lantern]

oh ye

that bug

[shell ivy]

Dance drops threat wtf I learned smth

[fleet anchor]

Yeah it has a temporary threat drop aura on it

It's only when dance is up

It's kinda strange tbh

It's actually an "infinite" temporary threat drop, you literally will go down to the bottom

[shell ivy]

It does make sense in a rogue way I guess coz we all stealthy but then getting the threat back is funny ye

[gloomy knoll]

is nice for necrotic weeks where your tank doesn't want to touch the mobs

lol

also

DELETE FUCKING NECROTIC NOBODY LIKES THIS SHIT AFFIX

[fleet anchor]

I'm pretty sure I don't really like any affix

[low epoch]

I'd rather delete spiteful than necrotic

[gloomy knoll]

honestly this

affixes ruin keys

they're fucking stupid

just make a good dungeon

and i will run that back 24/7

[fleet anchor]

It's so funny how different affixes feel in a game like WoW vs. something like D3

Other than some of the BS combos in D3, I never really minded them

[gloomy knoll]

seriously lol

[fleet anchor]

But in WoW...

They just kinda suck

[gloomy knoll]

it literally makes you not want to play

at all

like storming necrotic spiteful bolster

none of this shit is fun man

just make a good dungeon and let us do the key

[fleet anchor]

Like Quaking or whatever is fine

[gloomy knoll]

legion only had fortified no seasonal bullshit

and easy affix weeks

were some of the most fun

i've ever had in wow

because the dungeons were just good

[fleet anchor]

I think something like Storming could be ok if it was a little slower or whatever, but haven't done the new version

[gloomy knoll]

it's just annoying

[shell ivy]

Tbh tyrannical feels like easier week than fortified i feel now

[gloomy knoll]

like it's not fun it's just tedious and annoying

[fleet anchor]

Raging is fine in theory

[gloomy knoll]

tyran is dumb

fighting a 4 minute boss for no reason other than

hurr durr big hp

[fleet anchor]

Tyran is just boring

[gloomy knoll]

^

[shell ivy]

It is but also less dmg

[gloomy knoll]

the bosses are so badly designed

on average

that 4 minutes

of them

[shell ivy]

so it could be considered easier than fortified now

[gloomy knoll]

is fucking mind numbing

[fleet anchor]

Yeah most of the dungeon bosses only have like 2 mechanic loops

[gloomy knoll]

legion bosses had me

on my fucking toes

boy

shadowlands bosses got me like zzzzzzzzz

there's some good ones here and there

same with bfa

[dense hamlet]

[gloomy knoll]

but the majority of them are basic af and snoozefests

[shell ivy]

I’m rly not a fan of the gated bosses like plaguefall

[gloomy knoll]

like just look at top

[fleet anchor]

Like doing the abom boss in ToP I don't know if it's possible to get more boring

[gloomy knoll]

1st boss is a kick simulator

lich boss is literally just

go stand in a puddle

[royal lantern]

"new" storming is kinda w/e

it exsist

slightly annoying

[gloomy knoll]

gorechop the mechanics are fun but

[fleet anchor]

ToP at least the first boss is a bit chaotic, and the last boss is ok since it has multiple phases

[gloomy knoll]

it's literally just 1 mechanic on a loop

[fleet anchor]

Lich and Abom are 💤

[gloomy knoll]

i'll give it a pass though cuz it's fun

lich boss

is actually just

disgusting how bad it is

[fleet anchor]

Like trash has more abilities

Than those bosses

[gloomy knoll]

yea

it's so bad

[shell ivy]

[gloomy knoll]

i don't need seasonal affixes

i don' tneed storming or spiteful or any of this shit

[royal lantern]

lich boss is BC tier fight desing

its ridicolous

[gloomy knoll]

just give me challenging bosses with cool mechanics

[royal lantern]

hit boss

if circle, walk into circle

repeate

[gloomy knoll]

and let me go fucking mongo big on aoe in trash

trash doesn't have to be crazy unique every pack

just let us pull big and do big dam

and make bosses cool

literally all legion was

and it was fun as fuck

[royal lantern]

legion had a shitton of bad bosses

[gloomy knoll]

i enjoyed a majority of them

they all had multiple mechancs

[royal lantern]

dunno, when many bosses where just" use a immunity, if your class doesnt have one LMAO GET FUCKED"

thats not great imo

[gloomy knoll]

yea that was

the only downside

when you got to higher keys

cuz of the scaling but

it was still fun as fuck

[royal lantern]

eh, you allready had that stuff in normal mid level stuff

[gloomy knoll]

i mean in higher keys

u literally needed

prydaz avoidance sets

on top of immunities

or you just died

lol

[royal lantern]

i just remember the first boss in ravenholdt i think it was?

big ghost thing with scythe

[gloomy knoll]

yea that one was fairly simple

[royal lantern]

where for the big aoe our warrior needed

his own deffensive

[gloomy knoll]

xD

[royal lantern]

+holy priest wings

and the priest just died and rezzed with the rez legendary

cus both could not survive it with their own tools

[gloomy knoll]

it's a restrictive format that's for sure

[royal lantern]

on a normal +21key

[gloomy knoll]

when you needed immunities and avoidance

[royal lantern]

and +21 was not high in legion

like, that WAS mid level

[gloomy knoll]

but at least the boss design was S+ in most cases

like maw of souls

jesus christ

[royal lantern]

legion +21 is like a +16-17 right now lol

[gloomy knoll]

fucking masterpiece

yea most people was like

27-28 for high keys

and 30s for upper

at the very end

iirc

[exotic pulsar]

is there a list that shows the best candidates for WF totem? Guild just says rogue sucks with it even though I'm topping fights without it and I have full unholy set. I don't see how assassination rogue would be bad because of poison procs

[balmy condor]

Legion bosses

[gloomy knoll]

literally mini raid bosses

take me back

[balmy condor]

Pinned in #wow-general

[exotic pulsar]

thanks

[royal lantern]

rogue is 1 of the better ones lel

dh bigbrains think they have WF priority now

cus of WFR

[manic pebble]

Do us rogues have a hidden passive that make us less likely to be targeted by raid boss mechanics?

[royal lantern]

when it was wrong there too

[manic pebble]

I rarely get targeted or none at all in the raid

[nova arrow]

I fell like i get every mech lel

[royal lantern]

rng gonna rng

[manic pebble]

kek

[nova arrow]

To much pump? /shrug

[gloomy knoll]

don't

ever use hectic add cleave

ever

also bloodfang is bad

xD

[loud trench]

Any update from blizzard on the bonespike bug?

[dense hamlet]

N

[echo geyser]

if u keep spamming forums it might be fixed in a month

[dense hamlet]

well its a future not a bug so idk what ur talking abt

[balmy condor]

You mean if you keep spamming forums for a month, it might be fixed

At some point

Eventually

Perhaps

[gloomy knoll]

too busy harassing women

[royal lantern]

bro

no

[gloomy knoll]

lol

[loud trench]

Well, guess it’s time to be a vampire then

[gloomy knoll]

join us brother drink the red koolaid

[plain spruce]

what stats are generally good in M+

[royal lantern]

crit

[nova arrow]

crit haste everything

[plain spruce]

I have to much gear to just sim it all >>

[nova arrow]

highest ilvl for the most agil send it

[plain spruce]

yeet

[graceful mirage]

i finally got my first domination gem set

and guess what

its for the only one i don't have the set piece

please end me

[nova arrow]

R.I.P

[graceful mirage]

not only i got 2/2/2 in shards before i got one set

i get THE set i miss

who the fuck at blizz made the decision to make this system a thing

[nimble tartan]

probably one of the creeps

[viscid osprey]

where would i go in discord to ask some questions for a high parsing assassanation rogue , new to playing the spec in retail

[graceful mirage]

here

considering this is the assasination channel

[viscid osprey]

yeah i just meant i wanted to chat with someone sorry about that

[graceful mirage]

just ask away my dude

[nova arrow]

check pins before people flame you 9 times over

[nimble tartan]

i can help u my accolades are world 47 m kiljaeden and im really cute lol

[graceful mirage]

check em pins

#assassination-faq too

[graceful mirage]

ok but how cute

[nimble tartan]

like really

[fleet anchor]

I think the issue is that people still think DHs benefit as much as they did back with the old WFT design. But after the revamped it on beta it caused quite a few issues in being optimal for DW specs that don't gain massive resources from it.

Mostly it's only outstanding for Arms

[graceful mirage]

whats your cute parses

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[nimble tartan]

wft really good for essence break build

[fleet anchor]

It's not really that amazing

It's better for DBlades builds than non-DBlades builds

But it's still not great

It's just pretty OK

[nimble tartan]

dont think its implemented proper i know avade has echoed that he thinks its not simming proper to what they were seeing from the benefit

[fleet anchor]

It is implemented fine

I double-checked this for him two days ago and found nothing wrong with it unless someone provides proof otherwise

[nimble tartan]

ahh cool good to know

[royal lantern]

demonblade dh bennefit is like

sub rogue light

[fleet anchor]

The issue is simple

[nimble tartan]

i can slide myself in the group now

[royal lantern]

and sub is allready "ye its neat"

[fleet anchor]

In beta Blizzard changed WFT

So that WFT only procs from MH swings

[royal lantern]

only arms has a big impact with wft

cus of how arms works

[fleet anchor]

Which means only half of DW swings proc WFT

And they still have the DW penalty

So they still have 20% miss rate

[royal lantern]

for litearlly all specs except db dh/arms/sub wft is just "ye i do slightly more melee dmg over the fight"

[nimble tartan]

what dw

[royal lantern]

dualwield

[fleet anchor]

This means DW specs really only get 8% more AAs

Not 20% more

Like Arms does

This has lead to a significant decrease from previous iterations of WFT before they made this change

And people's impressions of it really just hasn't caught up

DBlades only has a 60% chance of triggering for Havoc so it really doesn't end up in that much more resource

The other issue is that Havoc players have moved away from a build that is heavy on CS damage so the extra resource is of minimal impact compared to before

More static damage sources (Immo/Fel Rush/etc.) just lowers the value

Also does nothing for AoE damage at all

So bottom line is it's really Arms >>>>> Rogues = Feral > DH > whatever

[slim siren]

hey do we have a place where people could help look at logs and find out if your doing somthing wrong?

[gloomy knoll]

it's pretty big for sub

[fleet anchor]

Sub resource gains from it are more universally applicable than Fury for Havoc

[gloomy knoll]

more like arms > sub > feral > other rogues / havoc

[fleet anchor]

That's what gives Sub a bit of an edge

But Sub is still way behind Arms

[gloomy knoll]

only like 1.2%

1.9

i stand corrected

yea fairly decent gap

[fleet anchor]

it's like 50% or so

in relative terms

[gloomy knoll]

yea is quite a bit

when you put it like that lol

[fleet anchor]

I still don't think anyone knows why they made the OH change

[gloomy knoll]

is real weird

especially considering the viability of enhance over the years

why give them a watered down version

[fleet anchor]

I think there was a while on beta where OH procs triggered MH swings, which was maybe a bit ott

And I suppose they couldn't get it working so they just disabled it? lol

[gloomy knoll]

possibly lmao

scrapped due to dev crunch

[weary wharf]

are people finding the unholy set better than the frost for ST? bloodmallet is saying i should be doing frost (unless i'm reading it wrong) but when i sim, unholy is best but raidbots isnt switching out gems im pretty sure.

[olive lion]

whats the best way to learn this rotation, i've never seen this spec before, ive never played it. how do i learn?

[crystal delta]

i just completed the venthyr campaign, where do i get the 200 ilvl lashing scars from?

[dense hamlet]

world boss / sire dena

[crystal delta]

you get 200 ilvl for finishing the campaign, dena is higher ilvl

[slim siren]

is wow analyzer still good for logs?

[dense hamlet]

a normal dena is 200

[worn panther]

You..don't? World boss, the campaign if I remember doesn't give you anything counduit-wise

[dense hamlet]

and u go higher

[worn panther]

Dena and World bosses

are the higher ilvls

after that, is just Conduit upgrades

[crystal delta]

i have it on ilvl 145 rn

[slim siren]

world boss or dena then upgrade it with 226 stuff

[crystal delta]

thats why, there is a way to get it higher without dena/world bosses

[slim siren]

doesnt rf sire drop 200?

wait no its 184

get the 184 from rf sire atleast

[worn panther]

Rf Sire is 184

[crystal delta]

i wont do old rf xD

[slim siren]

then hope its your lowest conduit and upgrade it with the 226 stuff

[olive lion]

whats the best way to learn this rotation, i've never seen this spec before, ive never played it. how do i learn?

[slim siren]

well then you wont get it

simple as that

[worn panther]

In a sec Josh :3 Answering the conduit thing first

[olive lion]

❤️

[dense hamlet]

well u have 3 choices or 4

rf /normal/Hc/mythic

gl

:)

[worn panther]

xD Well, yeah, that and Conduit Upgrades through Korthia

[crystal delta]

someone told me earlier that you get it on ilvl 200 as a reward for finishing the campaign

[worn panther]

noup

anything like that

at most, you get the red weird conduit that heals

but that's about it in terms of Conduits during the campaign

what probably happened, is that your friend got a 200 ilvl conduit from the Emmisary Korthia Chest

Because Those Chest can give you any conduit up to 200 I believe

[worn panther]

Okay... If you want a general overview:

[placid dawn]

do we sync guardian trinket with vendetta?

or on cd?

[outer lodge]

!bis

[dense hamlet]

[worn panther]

Sin tries to keep Rupture and Garrote on their target at all times. Since your dots give you energy, you spend it on Mutilate, the spec combo builder. Envenom is the finisher and Sin's "Eviscerate". Vendetta you use it on CD, your Covenant ability depends on your, well, Covenant

Slice and Dice is refreshed by itself everytime you Envenom, so your only worries should be keeping up your 2 dots (Garrote and Rupture) and pressing CD's on cooldown (Vendetta and Shiv)

The first thing, specially if you are switching from another spec, is keeping up both bleeds after you SnD'd. Try and hit a dummy for 2-3 mins, learn your timings

When you're more confident about your tools, you can go #assassination-faq for useful answers to question that you may have during your Dummy trial

That's basically it @olive lion

[worn panther]

The General rule is don't hold back a CD for more than 8-10's, but if you can sync them (and meaning CAN if you wouldn't lose another cast of Vendetta by delaying it) then go for it

What's the CD on Guardian Trinket?

[thorny pond]

There’s no interaction between vendetta and trinkets anymore

[worn panther]

OH RIGHT ! Vendetta is Rogue abilities only xD

Then push Trinket on CD

[olive lion]

thanks for that, i know its forbidden to speak about in here but ive used hekili for the last 20 mins to get an understanding, but its reasonably simple

maintain dots

use shiv on CD

evenom at max combo points

[slim siren]

envenom at 4 or 5

[olive lion]

Flag, vendetta and trinket all line up so theyre easy

when ambush procs use it

[slim siren]

dont waste combo points by multing at 4

[olive lion]

okay

could be stupid, but whats causing the ambush proc?

[placid dawn]

guardian trinket is 1.5m

it doesnt line up all the time

but i guess since vendetta doesnt work with its damage there is no point

[slim siren]

blindside talent

tho most people take ep now no?

[olive lion]

okay so taking EP should simplify it a little bit?

[slim siren]

yes and no

easier to learn harder to do well

cause getting perfect rups wit hthe 10% can be hard

atleast for me idk if im just bad xD

[olive lion]

okay, doesnt seem so bad. im using a random weak aura i found on wago thats telling me to keep dots up

[slim siren]

fair its good to do that to start

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QmHZndMWj2KqTGzA#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=239 if anyone can tell me if theres somthing wrong with my stats/rotation it would help me insanely cause im tired of gray parses (ik i have crimson and katar but i dont think thats the reason i parse 9% and if it is...well im dumb)

[placid dawn]

simc doesnt work with dom shards for some reason

i choose multiple ones but it dosnt create iterations

[thorny pond]

What shards are you selecting? Ranks etc

[zinc frost]

I wouldn’t run subterfuge or poison katar. You shouldn’t really be fan of knives-ing in that fight. Most run EP/MA/Vigor, focus one, put bleeds on the other. CT when they are stacked.

[balmy condor]

??

[slim siren]

ye i was just stuck in my mythic spec when i got yoinked into there but do you think thats the reason im parsing so low? i was compaing myself to top 10 parsing trying to find a difference and mostly they just hit harder on avg

i thought id have to be fucking up my rotation hard to be at 9% parse

[placid dawn]

Like i wrote, I have 3 frost shards and 3 unholy shards selected and i cant do the sim cause i dont have any valid combinations

[astral agate]

is doomblade rlly meta for m+ now?

[placid dawn]

oof, I had to click the "replace gems and enchants"

fuck me

[balmy condor]

[zinc frost]

Rotation is similar to what you would do in a mythic plus boss fight so it seems fine but yeah empowered garrotes aren’t worth it in raid boss fights. Switch the talents to EP,MA and vigor , focus one, bleeds on the other and if you don’t stand in bad you’ll parse much better.

[placid dawn]

So, apparentl unholy set is worse than frost set for me

[slim siren]

alright thanks ruptured

[placid dawn]

by 150 dps

[velvet nacelle]

jumped up my perf by like 30% parses this week because of you guys

well, not all of you

but some of you, you know who you are

i also recognize that a jump in parse performance this week is because there's a fuckton more parses than last week in heroic

[olive lion]

warcraft logs, rogues are using doomblade for both single target and M+, why is it recommended to use the venth lego?

[balmy condor]

people can play either

[viscid osprey]

is BS/DS doing better right now then EP/Vig or is it just preference

[velvet nacelle]

obedience a) feels like better control over damage/burst windows without having to hold flag

b) it's mroe fun because it shortens the cd of a button

i'm honestly performing similarly between the two though

so it's whatever you enjoy more

[balmy condor]

ep/vig is a little better as an overall choice, but they are very close

[velvet nacelle]

i might go back to doomblade just because i don't like my envenom dps being so much lower

[olive lion]

which of the two would be easier to paly?

[velvet nacelle]

i'm barely hitting 1k dps from envenom with obedience

doomblade is almost purely passive

sorry, doomblade is purely passive

if you're playing the class the "right" way, you don't need to think about anything, just keep pooling/bursting

[viscid osprey]

@velvet nacelle u should be hitting way higher envenoms off ur shiv window

[velvet nacelle]

obedience makes you watch the timer

@viscid osprey oh i know, but at this point i'm just happy i improved from last week

[viscid osprey]

when i run Zold for m+ i still hit 10k-11k envenoms

[velvet nacelle]

yeah i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong

lemme post a log

[viscid osprey]

are u running well placed steel?

[velvet nacelle]

i had some dot downtime issues because of timings against mechanics

yeah

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xcACgv6hRNT8XwQr#fight=31&type=summary&source=10

wrong clipboard

i keep looking at top parses and they're doing like 1500-1800 dps on envenom and melee alone

last week i was doing like 800 on both

so i'm calling it an improvement this week

but clearly, not done

better uptime and energy management this week, i def felt the difference

[viscid osprey]

yeah i mean im far from perfect im trying to get mine better as well, im 237 equip and im still getting beat in auto attack damage , im guessing haste is just so important

[velvet nacelle]

yeah i dropped a ton of haste since 9.1 hit unfortunately

but i think it's coming back

i got the normal kt trinket today, not sure how i feel about it

the on use is a lot worse than the shriekwing trinkey but the passive on hit is nice

it sims every so slightly higher and has a shorter cd so i'm using it

[viscid osprey]

yeah i havnt had much luck with higher ilvl trinks is use 226 terror and 233 ooze

for any of my heavy m+ rogues do u guys run poisoned katar over well placed steel ?

[velvet nacelle]

m+ is kind of funny, comp is more important than individual performance and right now my groups are barely even pushing 15s so i generally don't even expect to show up on trash so i tend to think more about ST for bosses/priority mobs than aoe

so i stay on WPS

i mean i still put on CT because that's madness not to

[viscid osprey]

i mean i do like 6k-9k in keys aoe

[velvet nacelle]

but i don't optimize for trash any more than that since nothing lives long enough, even on fort, in 15s for me to ramp properly

it's funny, i finish 5.5-6k on 17s and like 5k if i'm lucky in 15s

there's definitely a breakpoint for how long mobs live for my damage

[fallen arch]

Then you must have 2 blasters to run with to time anything

[viscid osprey]

yeah lol ill usually finish 7k-9k just depends on comp

[velvet nacelle]

@fallen arch boomie and mage/hunter

boomie is the staple

[fallen arch]

Then I need better boomies to run with

They never outdps me on overall

[viscid osprey]

but i also tab target and maintan all my garrotes and ruptures on everything

[velvet nacelle]

i don't generally maintain garrote outside of openers

< lazy

plus garrote not lasting full duration is a waste of energy

or most of the full duration

[viscid osprey]

have u read venomous wounds ?

[velvet nacelle]

dang, you finish 7-9k on the regular? you gotta teach me 🙂

i spread ruptures

because rupture refunds energy if the enemy dies, garrote if i think the enemy will live a while but i mainly try to have 5 total dots rotating

[placid dawn]

unholy set is the best one for sin right?

[viscid osprey]

garrote usually finishes near my top damage in keys

[velvet nacelle]

interesting, i'll try to use it more next key i do

again the boomie and mage i run with generally don't leave me much to do on trash

and we're doing baby keys

kind of min/max-y "why do it if it doesn't give us more loot" mode

[viscid osprey]

yeah i mean ill even vanish into 4 more garrotes somtimes on big pulls

[velvet nacelle]

like i said, my role is generally priority mobs and ST pump in 15s

god, under 15s i think my role is "afk hero"

my tank buddy was farming renown after swapping to venthyr (druid) the other day so we were just taking every low key we could get for completions

if you ever want an ego boost, do a 7 on a heroic/mythic raid geared toon

[fallen arch]

If your toon is hc/mythic geared that is kinda where you need to be when you want to time 17s atm tho

[velvet nacelle]

exactly

i mean 20s are doable if played pretty perfectly but 17 is, imo the hotspot

we're only doing 15s since there's no gear benefit past it

even then it's tough to get people motivated, i don't think many of my people like the dungeons this expansion

they aren' tthe worst, but they aren't great either

[fallen arch]

No you’re not going to time 20s in season 2 if a player in the group does 5-6k I think

[velvet nacelle]

oh for sure

i'm not worried about it yet though, i was doing 6k pretty easily last season not even at 226 so once i gear up a bit i'm sure i'll be fine damage wise

[fallen arch]

What leggo so u run?

[nocturne geode]

hello there! all i have atm is the frost set for raid is it worth upgradeing or should i hold out for unholy?i cant find and static sims of the 3 sets vers eachother

[velvet nacelle]

mainly MA

probably upgrade zoldycks at some point

[fallen arch]

Ye try to, might be a massive dps bump

[viscid osprey]

it feels really good cuz its passive

[fallen arch]

I never tried MA myself, but Zoldyck might be better with your comp. as soon as your blasters run out of steam on packs u ramped up with Zoldyck and you gain massively

[viscid osprey]

and if u have all ur bleeds on everything it drains targets very fast

[velvet nacelle]

yeah, i loved zoldycks in legion

back when yo ucould wear 2 i'd go zoldycks and MA

and i'd just vanish early on some packs and get guarnateed big crits

[nocturne geode]

@fallen arch were you answering me earlier?

i couldnt tell lol

[fallen arch]

Oh sorry no didnt see ur question

But I think you want unholy as soon as you can get your hands on it

But frost is quite close iirc

[nocturne geode]

do you know of any simce to tell how close?

sims*

[fallen arch]

I think you can check it on herodamage

If I’m not mistaken

[nocturne geode]

kk ty

[velvet nacelle]

the fact that you have 3 matching shards already

[wind dune]

About the m+ convo definitely run poisoned katar over wps in dungeons. Zoldyck is really good but I've also been having similar dps in dungeons with obedience aswell. I'm only on the 19-20 range of keys though

[velvet nacelle]

i don't even have 3 sockets 😛

[fallen arch]

‘Only’ in the 19-20 ranges? I’d say that’s already pushing quite hard this season 😉

[wind dune]

Gotta get my fixing for hard content somewhere. Since my guilds still just starting heroic raid

[fallen arch]

Haha fair enough

[velvet nacelle]

heroic so far hasn't been too bad

my guild though... we're not the best

we're 8/10H 9/10N as of today, we don't have an official raid day for normal though

surprisingly we've had more trouble on guardian than painsmith

i thought for sure painsmith would be our wall since our people aren't the most mechanically minded

half our raid parses grey or low green most fights though so guardian has been a tricky dps/healing balance for us, especailly since no one wants to go disc for it

[wind dune]

9/10 n over here well the guild is lmao. I couldn't handle it and started pugging these last few days. Managed to get slyvanas killed for 70 gold and a couple bosses into heroic.

[fallen arch]

Guardian is really strict as well when it comes to mechanics

[velvet nacelle]

it is but it doesn't feel as chaotic as painsmith so i think our guys can focus a little more

[fallen arch]

And 1 or 2 deaths can spiral it out of control rather quickly

[velvet nacelle]

also, we killed it last week

but, again, our dps was lacking so it was tight on timing

the painsmith "chaos" (which really isn't that bad) can be distracting i think

i expected our guys to be caught up in all the stuff happening more

[random glen]

Should I craft my doomblade leggo with crit, haste?

[spice spire]

Yes

[fallen arch]

Yes

[wind dune]

Bruh my guild didn't meet the "dps" check for heroic tera. Sent my guild straight back to normal

[spice spire]

Rng boss

[fallen arch]

Tera?

[spice spire]

The grue

[velvet nacelle]

taragrue?

[balmy condor]

Terragrue

[wind dune]

Yea that one

[fallen arch]

Oh ye wasnt’t sure

Maybe I missed like a Legion boss

[velvet nacelle]

it is very dark, his guild is likely to be eaten by a grue

[spice spire]

Henceforth he shall be known as the grue

[fallen arch]

But that is outrageous

Reroll powers and try again

I’d say

[wind dune]

Hahahah I've only killed it twice forgot the name

But yea

[velvet nacelle]

yeah, i mean even our guild has most people 8-9k dps

and, like i said, mostly grey parses

(normally)

[fallen arch]

Everybody running Ten of Towers?

[velvet nacelle]

haha no

[spice spire]

Yeah last kill had all nine k or under and I got a semi lucky roll for 11k

[velvet nacelle]

i only finished 9k on it today

i finished like 11k on lfr this week, no one else was above like 4k

11k on lfr being constantly feared, i'll take it

[fallen arch]

That boss is a total meme

Even on mythic

[velvet nacelle]

yeah he's basically a freebie

[fallen arch]

But I like it

[velvet nacelle]

which is why he drops such trash

[fallen arch]

Does he?

Demon Hunters would disagree

[velvet nacelle]

yeah demon hunters aren't real though

we have one dh in our guild and he's... uh...

he's in our guild

he's definitely that

[fallen arch]

He provides a raid wide buff wdym

[balmy condor]

Demon hunter can do half the dps of the rest of the raid and still be useful

[idle star]

If you were constantly feared you didnt pull 11k

[slow marsh]

Yes

[wanton mortar]

why do we vanish>mutilate>envenom>mutilate instead of vanish>envenom>mutilate>envenom?

i feel like i do more damage with 2 crits envenom

[slow marsh]

Then do it

[fallen arch]

Doesn’t make that much of a difference

[slow marsh]

I don't think it really matters either way