assassination

[velvet nacelle]

gl with that, i still haven't gotten the damn phial

[deft obsidian]

how do i get the flagg lego after reaching the renown

[limber lion]

I do m+ as well wut

[velvet nacelle]

it's just in your inventory

[deft obsidian]

nwm

im dumb

[limber lion]

You're the dumb one then

[deft obsidian]

ty

[soft shale]

you get it from the primus

[limber lion]

Literally nothing changes

[soft shale]

its in your inv most likely

[limber lion]

We play the same setup

Every week

Same legendary

[soft shale]

remember to go to the carver tho to learn it

[limber lion]

Same talents

Every

Single

Week

[velvet nacelle]

@limber lion i mean gotta watch out for spaghetti arm spitefuls this week but other than that you're right, not a ton of changes

[soft shale]

wait doesnt assa run obe instead of zold now?

[limber lion]

Yes you have to play around the affix

That's it

Just like you do

With every single spec

[pine grove]

Obe or Doomblade, depending on your flavour.

[limber lion]

But literally norhing changes

[soft shale]

we talkin m+

[limber lion]

Not even rotation

[soft shale]

doomblade there is uh

[pine grove]

Obe in M+. I run Doomblade but that's because my focus is raiding and it sims a little lower there.

[velvet nacelle]

@soft shale i think if you play flag well, obedience does a ton of damage potential and zoldycks is passive

[soft shale]

if i played assa i would run obe haha necrotic knife goes brrrr

and with bosses being 4 mins now

[kind talon]

reuw

rtue

true

[soft shale]

i omegadepleted a plaguefall 21

[kind talon]

LMAO

[soft shale]

funnily enough domina was harder than stradama

[velvet nacelle]

i can't get my guild/friends to run even 15s now

[kind talon]

ye stradama isnt too bad

[soft shale]

but we didnt finish anyway

[kind talon]

esp with cloak

[pine grove]

Yeah. I find Domina more of a pain than Strad.

[soft shale]

the new 20% shield + frost shard and other things is cool

[kind talon]

domina gets v annoying if adds arent taken out immediately

[soft shale]

nah you really need immunities still tho and dispels

the dot does 17k

[kind talon]

ye

its ridic

[soft shale]

domina just rapes the tank if heal is not on point

[kind talon]

yep

[velvet nacelle]

p sure this is true: envenom when you're at max/max - 1 cp, energy is over 60-80% OR if you have shiv/flag/vendetta up, envenom right away

what about elaborate planning?

should i be trying to sneak in envenoms in EP windows?

[arctic walrus]

So you sneak in an envenom in an EP

Now you’re starved working your way back up

Now you drop envenom

Your sad lonely and poor because you snuck in an envenom

[velvet nacelle]

hah! jokes on you! i'm always sad and lonely

[fallen arch]

Vel is trying to say no

[velvet nacelle]

oh i know

[arctic walrus]

Take the time it will take you to pool to rethink your life decisions

[fallen arch]

I think

[velvet nacelle]

i liked the way he said it

so EP really only "matters" inside of the shiv/flag/vendetta windows

when you'll naturally be trying to spam finishers

i'm not playing particularly well in general, but i'm seeing people finishing fights with like 1.5k dps from envenom alone and i'm usually barely at like 900

trying to figure out where i'm missing that, i often have similar cast numbers and crit rates too but they're just hitting way harder

[arctic walrus]

Do you have the same exact pixel for pixel, 1s and 0s of gear as these individuals

[velvet nacelle]

i mean obviously no, i have at least three 1s where they have 0s

[void needle]

Do you guys just use the recommended M+ build/leg/soulbinds on Tyra weeks? I also find that I can get set up properly before the stronger AoE classes have destroyed it all.

[velvet nacelle]

but to almost be doubling me i feel like that's more than just a gear issue

@void needle honestly when i'm running with strong aoe i just focus on ST damage

[arctic walrus]

Link a log then homie

[soft shale]

funnily enough agor assa gets better on higher keys because mobs take more time to die

[velvet nacelle]

@soft shale yeah it's funny that way

[void needle]

Yeah it's so apparent when it tyra vs fort, I lose thousands of DPS D:

[velvet nacelle]

@arctic walrus i wanna get fresh logs tomorrow, i learned a few fundamental things i was doing wrong after last week but i was hitting training dummies just now for practice (which i know isn't "legit")

@void needle that's the life of dot classes

[restive inlet]

So, I just want some opinions. I'm torn on my legendary, obedience or doomblade. I can see the sims have obedience pulling ahead in full mythic gear, but right now for me the difference in doomblade's favor is substantial. Like 90 dps. Does anybody know why exactly obedience pulls ahead? Is it really just harder scaling with secondaries at higher ilvl?

As a reference, I'm like 235 ish, with 3 set unholy. I also play EP vigor which favors doomblade, so I guess that matters as well

[celest bolt]

Hey, can anyone look at my logs with some feedback? 🙂 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4JB3h2H96ZzATqK7#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=15

[fallen arch]

That shouldn’t be the case tho

[dark swift]

I'm not necro but I think that you should be playing with Heirmir, not Marileth

Also your opener doesn't look right to me

It should be sbs, snd, mut, garrote, rupture, vendetta, shiv, vanish, mut etc. Or something along those lines.. I'm sure necro mains will correct it

[celest bolt]

Yes to less Medien Energie ^^

[late grove]

i have a dumb q: What does it mean for a trinket to be hasted exactly? And why does it make it better / do more dam for specs with high haste? (Like people say shadowgrasp is good for sin because it's hasted)

[fallen arch]

Correct, he seemed to mess that up a but there with weird shiv and 2nd sbs timing

Timing *. Also yes, Heirmir is superior to Marileth

[soft shale]

@late grove hasted means it ticks faster or does the damage ticks faster if you have more haste

for example totem lasts 15 secs

[ember star]

what is preferred with master assassin talent - vanish into env - mut - env or vanish into mut - env - mut

[fallen arch]

Doesnt matter

[soft shale]

but if you have haste it does more ticks in the full duration

[fallen arch]

Both fine

[late grove]

more ticks at the same static value listed on the trinket?

[soft shale]

you can pop bloodlost and see it does the ticks faster

and for example with flag +bl+pi you would have like 100% haste so it would tick every 0,5 secs instead of 1

dealing literally double damage

[late grove]

ok cool, pretty simple, thanks

[fervent rune]

Do we hold vendetta in M+ or just use it in CD

[dark swift]

Really depends on the situation

[weak bane]

Anyone know if cloak works on ingra malloch fear?

[rigid pine]

It does

[next dune]

No. If your fear is being broken, then it's from a shaman totem. Best way to deal with that fear, is it keep the bad blue pools in front of you. That fear always seems to fear you directly away from the boss

[soft shale]

it does work if you use it for the first sec

like when its just about to finish

[hybrid cosmos]

hey guys, do i get the benefit of multidotting the orbs on nerzhul while they are still immune?,

[fallow glacier]

They’re not completely immune, so yes, you gain energy from your bleeds

[hybrid cosmos]

ok, i have another question, do we delay vendetta while playing with obedience for the reduced cd flag?

[agile geode]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[spice spire]

No

[limpid plinth]

Damn these necro bugs really feels bad maby its just time to get back to venthyr :/

[fallen arch]

Daily reminder to all my necro brothers to please report SBS bug

[dry copper]

Which bug is that?

[rocky rain]

Why is this guy doing more than twice as much "melee" damage as me at basically the same ilvl?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/wxdkgAcKBT4hWLfY/jvyWhdaKHF1cY7CV#fight=10,1&source=14,Northrad&type=summary

[solid venture]

dont compare tarragrue logs

literally pointless

he probably had dmg powers and u didnt

[rocky rain]

Does it make that much difference? He had some PIs as well, but its literally more than double mine o.O

[thorny pond]

Yea don’t compare Tara

Literally the worst boss you can compare on

[rocky rain]

ok fair enough

[echo geyser]

The orbs on remnant arent giving energy refund right?

Is that a bug or do they just not actually "die"

[thorny pond]

You get the energy regen from the passive venomous wounds and the bleeds ticking

[hollow talon]

hey does the guardians amplifier trinket proc work with vendetta?

[shut garnet]

yea the orbs dont actually die, they go to 1hp and then fade away/ "transform" into those pickup-able objects

[hollow talon]

just tested it i dont think it does

[soft shale]

they actually become friendly so its even worse

[hollow talon]

was hitting for 1700 without vendetta and with vendetta

[soft shale]

because if they didnt die sbs would work like on denath adds

[shut garnet]

so prolly good to start dotting them while they still have the shield on them

and then just use the venomous wounds passive to smack the boss

[soft shale]

yea just 1 rupture and 1 garrote

then dont risk rupture

maybe only garrote

do remember to keep it poisoned too

[echo geyser]

yeah was just wondering about the rupture refund but u cleared it up @shut garnet

the garrote rupture extra regen works at least

[rocky rain]

Couple of questions after log review.

1. Use shiv insta off CD? No matter how many CPs I have?
   I've been using it when almost full to go straight into a finisher, but it seems top logs use even at 0CP?

2. Right before vanish/vendetta comes off CD, hold shiv to use with them?

[dark swift]

Just send it

[sinful cradle]

Slam shiv on cd unless you have vendetta coming off cd in 10 seconds

[shut garnet]

yea u use it on cd even at 0cp, ideally you'd have all bleeds on ur target and not about to expire in the next 10sec and be hovering around 4-5CP and 100-120 energy when pressing it, thats probably like

the most giga optimal usage

but if u have to hold it to do that^ its not worth cuz ull just lose casts during a fight

[rocky rain]

do you pool before using it?

[shut garnet]

it depends, ideally you pool before envenom usage anyway right? so if you just reapplied bleeds, u build to 5cp and ur at like 20 energy and ur shiv is coming off cd in 3 sec

might as well right?

[rocky rain]

ok

next question

so we open and get buffs up. Then flag/vendetta/vanish at high CP

[olive peak]

There's multiple videos on YouTube that break it down

Better than have someone type it out

[rocky rain]

envenom from vanish -> muti -> envenom? or envenom -> muti (until high CPs) -> envenom?

I've seen mixed things

low CP envenom in MA window or not

[shut garnet]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[shut garnet]

check these out too

but uh the ideal opener looks something like this

[sinful cradle]

Never low cp envenom

[shut garnet]

i guess u could have the vendetta at the same time as the 2nd mutilate, idrk how much of a gain that actually is

but yea never low CP envenom, you always wanna do it at either max or max-1

theres some variation, like i know some ppl like to build to 5, shiv, THEN vanish envenom

cuz u can get the MA buff on an envenom, a mut to 4 and then the 2nd envenom if ur lucky

[rocky rain]

Ok ty., That's why I'm asking here. I saw that in a youtube video and it sounded suspicious 🙂

[shut garnet]

like i know you always shiv into vanish mut when ur running deeper, with EP/vigor honestly no clue, i see more ppl doing shiv -> build to max/max-1 -> vanish env mut env(if prev mut hit for 4)

[echo geyser]

i was doing this before but someone said it was bad to vendetta before both bleeds were up

flag does get extra dmg from vendetta right?

[shut garnet]

it should do yeah, so at the latest u should vendetta right before u flag

[echo geyser]

so last night i started going mut snd mut garrote flag rupture vendetta shiv vanish muti even etc

[olive peak]

While we are at it , I got 2 on use , 252 totem and 239 guardian trinket .. sims do totem first then the other one ... Should I do that or the other way around ?

[echo geyser]

what u think of that @shut garnet

[sinful cradle]

Totem first id say since it benefits from haste

[tender escarp]

Hi guys! If you use Salvaged Fusion Amplifier and Obedience legendary, do you line up the trinket with Flagellation and Vendetta or use them on CD? Except the Opener ofc. Thanks on advance!

[echo geyser]

they both kinda do benefit from haste, just not fusion one directly

idk which one more tho.

[next dune]

That's not a thing anymore. It used to be back in the day, that your dot damage was based off of your damage buff when you used it. Now it doesn't matter. Damage goes off your current damage buffs

[echo geyser]

so going vendetta flag rupture is just better then

[shut garnet]

thing is if u vendetta later i guess u get like an extra global in it instead of applying the bleed, the only issue is usually whether u vendetta at like 4sec or 6.5-7sec, u always reapply rupture around the 24 sec mark, so im not rly sure how beneficial that is over just vendettaing before the flag

[next dune]

So yes technically you used to need to have all your percent damage buffs up before you'd fire bleeds. Now it doesnt matter

[shut garnet]

so if you mut snd mut gar vendetta flag rup shiv build vanish envenom u should get the exact same amount of envenoms in vendetta

as if you mut snd mut gar flag rup vendetta shiv build etc

idek what the sim does tbf

[echo geyser]

the IV opener seems a bit wonky

just a one two line off i guess

[shut garnet]

wheres whispyr when u need him

[next dune]

Depends on how much you Crit. That's the wonky thing with Ass. Mutilate combo points generated is 2 to 4. So there really is no "standard" rotation, just general rules of thumb

[shut garnet]

now im curious about the dps variation when u do diff openers

[echo geyser]

prob better to check full html report or will it say the same?

[echo geyser]

yeah but just add in another muti if u dont hit 4-5 i guess

@subtle kiln do u know if quicksim sample ability log will say the same as the apl in the html report like u usually sent for sub opener?

[subtle kiln]

exaclty? I dont believe so will change up based on CPs and blindside

should be get slice going, get a mut, gar flag rupter and go

[rocky rain]

It's weird that it wants to vanish -> muti and not build to vanish -> enven

[shut garnet]

its probably to get vanish on cd asap

[subtle kiln]

also the assa opener has very little variation last time we checked different openers.

[shut garnet]

yea, prolly why so many ppl do diff shit as well

[subtle kiln]

correct. you dont want to lost CD casts

[shy nest]

Is it worth making rank 6 legendary this week? 🙂

[subtle kiln]

in the end, at least in sims opener didnt mean a whole lot as long as you had the basics

spec is forgiving and evens out over the encounter

[shut garnet]

yea, respecting pandemic reapplication, not missing shiv casts/casts generally, managing multidotting n shit efficiently, pooling properly will have WAAAAY more of an impact towards ur overall

than the order of like

3 globals in ur opener

[next dune]

Yup exactly. You need snd, garrote, rupture, cov ability, Vendetta all rolling. And it doesnt matter how you get there, just get there (without capping energy from Vendetta of course)

[rocky rain]

Where do you find the sample ability log? I forget

[subtle kiln]

well you want cov ability with full cp finisher after asap

so rupturing then flag is oof on assa, you can't make it up that easy

if you're necro open with sbs

that's about the it

[subtle kiln]

quick sim, sample apl

[shut garnet]

if you're kyrian, swap covenants

[next dune]

Bring night fae back :(

[timid talon]

yep, by the time you have the gear/conduits/soulbinds for obedience to be better you'll have enough to craft doom/obedience to 6

[echo geyser]

yeah thats the thing i was referring to on IV opener

[quasi ledge]

With DS it doesn't matter when and on how many combos you Shiv. You can't get 2 Envenoms in the window like you can with Vigor either way @rocky rain

[subtle kiln]

I ran ToP with obedience, just to try it. kinda liked it. no idea if it was best choice

[echo geyser]

its just 1-2 lines off

[subtle kiln]

what do they have listed? isn't that Seli's guide? can just ask

[next dune]

For sure. I used to run Doomblade in there even. It's all bosses and big dudes

[echo geyser]

rup vendetta flag

0 cp flag

[quasi ledge]

Flag should just be in-between 5-6

[subtle kiln]

just move flag up. Seli is necro simp

[echo geyser]

yeah ik

[quasi ledge]

Think it's just a general guideline for ALL covenant abilities, Flag is just different

[next dune]

It's saying to use your ability as a general rule.

[subtle kiln]

there's also a bit of energy starvation in opener with DS/BS or there was. not sure if the higher gear took that away.

[next dune]

That's what Vendetta is for

[rocky rain]

Yeah that didn't seem right. It also doesn't account for CT on the single target APL

[subtle kiln]

it still there (or was) with vendetta

[rocky rain]

Hence the questions here 😄

[echo geyser]

but vendetta before flag rupture should be good anyways right

[next dune]

Ah gotcha. I didn't notice it on Tuesday, yesterday I ran vigor though

[echo geyser]

cause flag will do more dmg?

[glad siren]

At what point does EP,Vigor do better than the other?

[echo geyser]

lashing as well i assume works

[shut garnet]

at more targets @glad siren

[subtle kiln]

probably never for venth. just theyre close enough its more player / encounter pref

[shut garnet]

numerically blindside/deeper is better on ST than ep vigor, but its player preff

and yea as scath said the diff is pretty fair on venthyr, but on necro its within MoE

its like 15 dps or some shit lmao

[next dune]

Honestly in done bouncing between blindside/DS. Just going EP/Vigor all the time now. It's just simpler, and it works. I loved blindside last tier, but this tier seems super underwhelming

[echo geyser]

try doing ur opener without lust with bs deeper

actually unplayable

even with lust u starve

[shut garnet]

i agree, its just rly unfun to me

[next dune]

Annnd there are more pauses In fights this tier as well, so you get more energy that way as well.

[shut garnet]

like if i was going for some rank 1 omega parse on a target dummy i guess id have to take it

but otherwise, nah

[echo geyser]

but its more "execute"

but u need patience

[shut garnet]

maybe in 3 patches

[glad siren]

Ty for that.

[shut garnet]

maybe when shadowlands corruption comes in clutch

the build will feel ok to play after 5 expedients

[spice spire]

No

[shut garnet]

[spice spire]

34% crit

[shut garnet]

give expedients back

[glad siren]

So with ep do you switch to obedience?

[shut garnet]

not necessarily

id say sim it

doomblade and obedience are pretty close

[echo geyser]

i just started to play with obed for all now, even tho it simmed worse by like 1%

[shut garnet]

obedience performs better where theres more targets

[echo geyser]

probably cause i just yolo made r6 one for sub

and i dont wanna feel bad

[shut garnet]

[spice spire]

That’s kind of the power of obedience. It’s a one legendary machine that’s close to DB in ST, and best by far for sub

And works in m+ for sin.

[shut garnet]

yee its rly good if ur planning on multispeccing assa sub

[spice spire]

It’s definitely the most flexible legendary sin’s had so far at least

[echo geyser]

zoldycks isnt seeing any play in current raid right

no real execute fight?

[spice spire]

Maybe if I were venth I wouldn’t be running Zoldyck’s on the grue™️

[spice spire]

No db so much better lol

Without a true execute fight. There’s no sire moment here

[shut garnet]

imo zoldyck is just kinda trash for raids, ur just gimping ur dmg so hard for no real reason

like if u REALLY REALLY needed the execute i guess its fine

but it just cant be that good gimping ur dmg from 100% to 30% boss health by that much

[spice spire]

It was really good for sire because p3 was Uber tight in prog

But overall yeah, Zoldyck’s not great

But guys lust at 30, I’m an execute class

[shut garnet]

[glad siren]

More like we WANT to be an execute class...

War execute is like top 3 of their dmg

[next dune]

And we WANT Elaborate Planning to follow Pandemic rules, right my peeps? Where ya at?

[glad siren]

Lol

[elfin tiger]

do i craft doomblade on cloak?

[shut garnet]

yep

[elfin tiger]

crit vers?

[shut garnet]

crit haste

[next dune]

Crit haste Doomblade. Obedience go Crit verse

[spice spire]

Blind side procs
30% more damage on bleeds and poisons
Still outdamage by warriors’s execute

9.0 sin rogue

[next dune]

Haha

[spice spire]

You only go crit vers if you plan on multispeccing obedience. Afaik

[limber lion]

Honestly doesn't matter too much

[elfin tiger]

im venthyr tho should I still go for doomblade

i see everyone on warcraftlogs has doomblade

[limber lion]

Sim it and see how they perform

Then make the choice yourself

[subtle kiln]

you go obedience so you can play sub

[shut garnet]

[elfin tiger]

got absolutely 0 interest in sub

[narrow ravine]

take the bis sims with a grain of salt, 99% of people are not going to be able to get every item on that list at mythic quality, and simming yourself is way more accurate

[spice spire]

[alpine garden]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[echo geyser]

on pure st obedience never wins afaik

over doomblade

but i actually never tried anything different than 5min patchwerk

[glad siren]

What's afaik?

[stone gate]

Do you guys think Doomblade is better than obed?

[echo geyser]

as far as i know

a f a i k

[shut garnet]

doomblade slaps, personally i insta crafted it r6

only planning on sub on painsmith prog probably

[echo geyser]

if they never nerfed obedience we wouldnt have to use our brains to decide what to play atm

[stone gate]

Can I even get doomblade rn?

[echo geyser]

it sucks when its only ~1% diff but obed can perform better or worse depending on situation

[shut garnet]

wdym can u get doomblade

[echo geyser]

[stone gate]

Like the drop

[shut garnet]

yes

[stone gate]

oh fr?

where is it

[stone gate]

But the mort regar tower isnt open im pretty sure

[shut garnet]

unfortunately mort'regar isnt on this week in torgy

[agile geode]

done

[shut garnet]

ah i see what u mean

yea, u might have to wait a bit then

[agile geode]

embarassin

[stone gate]

then ill just make obedience I think

[agile geode]

3 bugs on a spell

plus the bug on deadly

so sad

[echo geyser]

maybe u can get it from the endless torghast not sure

corridor something

[harsh anchor]

Wasn’t there a thing where you could continuously walk into the corridor until you got the wing you wanted

[stone gate]

oh I can?

[spice spire]

Yes

[shut garnet]

[spice spire]

You can

You get mortregar from corridors and you can get the leggo that way lol

[echo geyser]

[stone gate]

Do you guys think I should do doom or obedience then?

I feel like doom lowkey looks better

[spice spire]

Vibe it out chief

They’re close ST

[ornate burrow]

which are the best trinkets to assassination?

[echo geyser]

think u should ask urself are u gonna play sub

[stone gate]

I wont

assassin one trick

😈

[narrow ravine]

check herodamage or bloodmallet for trinket sims

[ornate burrow]

me too

[echo geyser]

i mean obed is good in m+ too i think

[spice spire]

Fusion amp, shadowgrasp totem, and phial

[limber lion]

I'll have Doomblade maxed out and r4 Obedience

[echo geyser]

but pure st it is behind but only by like 1%

[spice spire]

Yeah I’d do that as well if I were venthyr

[limber lion]

Doomy is good if you suddenly want to go another covenant for whatever reason

[echo geyser]

but yeah idk seems it can over/underperform (obedience)

depending on timers or extra targets i guess

[stone gate]

Man fuck idk which one to go

:(

[spice spire]

It’s not the legendary - it’s the play. Getting as much CP spent during the window as possible will maximize damagé

[limber lion]

Just go doom

Less risk

[stone gate]

Alright how do I do the thing even to get the right corridor?

[shut garnet]

tbf if you're gonna main assassination and just offspec sub on niche fights, craft doomblade rank6. the diff between r6 and r4 obedience for sub is super minimal

and regardless, ur not gonna int ur prog cuz ur doing 50 less dps xd

[echo geyser]

its minimal for all cloaks anyways

[shut garnet]

goes both ways too

ya

[spice spire]

Walk in - if it’s mortregar, you’ve obtained the bag

If not walk out and go agane

[shut garnet]

like it honestly doesnt matter, just whatever ur gonna play more

[stone gate]

Ah ok

[echo geyser]

0.2-0.6% i think from r4 to 6 maybe

[stone gate]

Does it say if its mortegar?

or do I need to know

[spice spire]

Portals orange sky and black goop is mortregar

Cba to do corridors lol

[stone gate]

Lmao

Alright if I see an orange sky ill stay

else I dip

[spice spire]

Dont listen to color advice from a colorblind man

[stone gate]

oh

[shut garnet]

[echo geyser]

[narrow ravine]

didnt that guy pass away?

F

Juan Joya Borja

[echo geyser]

[stone gate]

Do you guys think I can beat layer 3 in thorgast if I stealth past all enemies and just kill bosses

cause I wont get power ups so idk

im ilvl 203 rn

[echo geyser]

u need powers i think

actually layer 3 not sure

doesnt it say "recommended ilvl"

[stone gate]

ye I think its like 175 for layer 3

[narrow ravine]

yeah layer 3 is a joke

just gank the portal guards and get to the end

[limber lion]

I mean you can stealth past everything to bosses

Until like layer 10

[stone gate]

Lol alright

[alpine latch]

More than likely, yes. Just sprint/vanish past anything that can see through stealth. Also, if you're doing that, pick up any of the powers in corners where you just break a vase. Small things help a lot.

[stone gate]

Ah

[alpine latch]

I started stealthing layer 8s around 210-211 item level

[stone gate]

never done that

ill try it ig

[chilly scaffold]

Hi guys, I have a bug with deadly poison, its falling off so many times before the 1hour, is it normal or a bug ?

[narrow ravine]

are you doing torghast?

[stone gate]

ye

[rotund moon]

I still don't get why it falls off when you exit torghast

[stone gate]

Wait does twisting corridors never end or smth?

Im on floor 7 rn lol

[rotund moon]

18 floors

[stone gate]

So I need to do all 18 of them so I can unlock layer 3?

cause I only had layer 1

[gusty mirage]

Same reason it drops when you leave arena, blizzard has this weird thing with instanced content

[narrow ravine]

because the anima powers buff stuff and it wants to strip those buffs on exit

everything gets caught in that strip

[rotund moon]

Or I guess maybe 15 floors with 9.1 changes if those are in TC

[narrow ravine]

so there is no chance you exit torghast with a powerful buff

[stone gate]

So if I wanna get layer 3 on TC

do I need to beat all 15 at layer 1?

im on layer 1 floor 7 rn

[gusty mirage]

Flasks, sharpening stones, food buff, augment rune do not

It’s just poisons

[narrow ravine]

probably a category of buff types

[rotund moon]

Yes

[stone gate]

Damn

[gusty mirage]

And it’s been happening for rogues who do arena since forever, so I’m assuming the torghast instance works the same way as the arena instance

[narrow ravine]

it also drops poisons when you leave arena

jinx

[rotund moon]

It drops both when you leave arena tho doesn't it? Been an expac since I did arenas on my rogue

[narrow ravine]

it also unsummons pets

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

Almost positive it only drops the lethal poisons (wound/deadly/instant) but I haven’t done arena since like March so

[stone gate]

if I get morgethar in TC do I need to beat all 15 floors to get the legendary?

[gusty mirage]

Should drop off the first boss you kill

Assuming layer 3+

[narrow ravine]

but he does need to work TC up to level 3

all 15 floors to rank it up once

[rotund moon]

Didn't they change it so torghast wings drop leggos you don't have from torghast regardless of where they originally dropped

[narrow ravine]

then fish for your morgethar to be the first level and you only have to do the first 5

[rotund moon]

Or am I dreaming that up

[stone gate]

Im on floor 8 and I cant beat the portal guard rip

I stealthed past everything so I have no powers

guess imma restart

and get powers

[chilly scaffold]

okay thanks, when we leave some instances so

[narrow ravine]

yeah the stealth past strat is not for TC

only normal ones

[rotund moon]

Yeah TC scales weirdly after 6/12

[stone gate]

Ye

[gritty mist]

Does recuperator conduit applies every time SnD resets with Envenom?

or only when u use it at the start?

[shut garnet]

isnt it just

"while snd is active"

like ull just passively keep gaining health i guess

[spice spire]

You will

As long as SnD is active recup does it’s thing

[gritty mist]

i get it now, thx

[stone gate]

rip I dont think I can beat layer 1 TC by myself

these mobs are too hard now

[fallen arch]

Yeah it’s fucking stupid content

From one moment to the next you can go from invincible god to total trash is my experience

Just because they messed up the scaling

[narrow minnow]

Pretty sure torghast strips lethal poison because of Red Ink existing that modifies it

[fading wigeon]

Just do it in a group and it's fine.

[gritty mist]

what tc means? torghast?

[hollow river]

Twisting Corridors

[gritty mist]

ah, i just use my friend to carry me with his dk tank

xd

[manic pebble]

how do you avoid eye of the jailer's beam with shadowstep?

[fallen arch]

Cloak at the same time

[manic pebble]

when I do that it teleports me right in front of the beam line

[fallen arch]

Same

[soft shale]

shadowstep at the beginning of the fight

and keep in mind where that spot is

[fallen arch]

Never got it right tbh

[soft shale]

then just step

[limber lion]

Just cloak it

[manic pebble]

I'll try that

[limber lion]

Or use the chains

[fallen arch]

I cloak every beam

[limber lion]

Not worth cheesing and dying

[fallen arch]

It’s more safe

And u dont really need cloak anywhere else I think

[manic pebble]

sometimes I use door of shadow too

[tawny cipher]

anyone know the dps upgrade for having just the 3 unholy shards?

[manic pebble]

+400 for me

[hoary fulcrum]

The step puts you in the front left. It's very easy once you know where it puts you.

This video shows it really nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyDgcPySg6Y&t=312s

He does it multiple times.

[fallen arch]

For me it was closer to 600

[ancient kraken]

depends on rank, i think i got over 600

[storm hedge]

Hi. I've heard something about deathly shadows pre boss vanish then change to doomblade for dps increase. How does it work? Is it for the buff or for the CPs for slice and dice?

[ancient kraken]

i think for assa its no gain

just sub

[azure bronze]

Doesn't work for assa as far as I know. It only still works for sub

[storm hedge]

Okey thanks. And is it for the buff then?

[ancient kraken]

it was never worth for assa

[azure bronze]

as sub you basically vanish 3-5 secs before you pull with the leggo>swap leggos>snd

and then opening rotation

[ancient kraken]

no true anymore

[terse cloak]

Man I really dont want to reroll covenants but venthyr is just better for assas and sub says all the "check pins"

[ancient kraken]

vanish then snd into swap

just check pins in #subtlety

[storm hedge]

Imo dont swap if you enjoy your covenant. But I'm venthyr as assa and enjoy it more then NF in 9.0.5

[shut garnet]

infexious videos

[storm hedge]

@terse cloak whats your current covenant?

[terse cloak]

necro, but dont raid just arena and m+

[storm hedge]

Necro is better for assa for m+ anyway isnt it.

[azure bronze]

no it's obedience venthyr

but both work fine

[shut garnet]

necro is usually better w multiple targets

but check the pins

[azure bronze]

i just hope they fix the SBS bug soon

[shut garnet]

id definitely not advise swapping to necro if you're venthyr rn

[storm hedge]

Should craft it then

[terse cloak]

no sorry im necro and was going to go venth, but lose all the teleprts etc

[azure bronze]

i mean with the amount of anima you get from korthia now it;s pretty easy to build everything again

you also keep the extra anima achieve things

[terse cloak]

thanks 👍

[stark ravine]

You're gated by the souls tho

[wanton pond]

if you keep dpsing and walking toward where its going if you ss near the end of it turning you wont get hit

you have a lot of time to wait

[dull cloak]

shadowstep always takes to a spot on the left side of the eyr. You wait till beam pass through that spot and then step to get max uptime on boss. This works on both directions the beam comes. If theres an add you may wanna cloak the beam instead to cleave add too

[jagged ember]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[cerulean nest]

whew i was 140dps below my sim on guardian last night

gamer moment

[cosmic prism]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oxYczJRrHZ72qX1dACbcxy any idea why its recommending i take Count the Odds for sin? its choosing it over well placed steel and lethal poisons

[gusty mirage]

infexious

[stone gate]

Just lost at floor 14 on layer 1 TC rip

no doomblade for me

[gusty mirage]

do you have it selected as one of the options to sim?

[wet pasture]

Hey guys, got amplifier trinket yday. You guys use it on cd or you align it with vendetta or smth? New to rogue, thanks

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uvz1mwenp7ds3y5GG1NPBr

[gusty mirage]

on cd my homie

[spice spire]

What in Tarnation happened with your sim, king

[cosmic prism]

no idea, i did it multiple times too

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/shotgun-shoot-fire-gun-yosemite-sam-gif-5980355

[spice spire]

This truly is a moment

Not on you

I saw what you had selected lmfao

[robust arch]

[stone gate]

i give up on getting doomblade from TC, I think imma make a t2 obedience and wait for morgethar to pop up

[keen dome]

@cosmic prism count the odd was your current conduit, and you ran the sim with a replace gem/enchant but only had 1 shard selected. Thus it ran the sim but showed your current stuff (with cto) as best

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hdL3B4cKXZH8e2rvsv7njf should be better (didn''t sim with replace)

[mental trout]

I’m working right now, but if some one doesn’t mind can you explain how you are able to tell who pulled a boss using warcraftlogs? Pm me maybe? Thank you!

[shrewd flume]

Hello,so, sims say obedience is better but everybody is playing doomblade, im vent, wahat do i upgrade first to rank6?

[cosmic prism]

shouldnt that work by replacing each current shard with the selected to see if it is a dps increase in any slot?

[azure bronze]

Doomblade, Obedience becomes better with more gear from raid

unless you want to play assa too in M+, then I would make obedience

[shrewd flume]

thanks mate, i play sub in m+, so i'll upgrade doom first then i'll see in future

[keen dome]

yeah select each shard you want to include in the sim once "replace gem/enchant" is ticked

[azure bronze]

Obedience is also great for sub M+

[slow merlin]

Guys, sry if it was answered before, but Raidbot sims of domination shard bonuses show me something different compare to pins (faq). It shows me that the best is red (+672), frost (+538) and worst unholy (+117). Seems like unholy set bonus is not simed properly. Any ideas?

[azure bronze]

It should not be far behind on doomblade for assa with current gear

but best to sim

[azure bronze]

Do you have the headpiece to enable the unholy bonus?

[strange python]

lol so I just shadowstep the boss to get behind the beam

[slow merlin]

oh, i know where is the problem, sorry my bad. I disabled shard bonus sims accidentally. Forgot it.

[cosmic prism]

i still dont see how having replace gem/enchant affects swapping conduits?

[woeful wigeon]

what is our haste cap unbuffed we try to get at got 23crit 25haste 30mastery 6 versa in % or 28crit 22haste 30mastery 4 versa in % for sin

[soft shale]

there's no haste cap

just do top gear and get that

[tired vessel]

Because certain conduits like certain stats more. Change any variable, and the value of everything changes.

[ancient peak]

how long does garrote need to last to be worth applying?

[cosmic prism]

yes because count the odds will give me any increase in dps in sin spec

[tired vessel]

Hmmm. You Didnt really word your question very well then. Not my fault 😁

[woeful wigeon]

xd roll the bones sin hack

[cosmic prism]

you didnt read into the issue well enough to give an opinion

[tired vessel]

I give you an answer. And you respond by being ass. 🤡

[cosmic prism]

thanks for your input 🙂 have a nice day

[obsidian socket]

do not fight fellow roguebros

[tired vessel]

You are welcome. Likewise!

[soft shale]

@ancient peak garrote is fine almost always unless mob is dying in like 5 secs

[north pecan]

What do you gents run on Tyrannical week? I have a lot of burst pump in group, so do I go ST for champions and bosses?

[amber mountain]

I run the same as I run every other week. The nice thing about 'sin is that we can do great single target dps in the same spec that gives us our AoE

It's just a matter of focus. We do our AoE by spreading our ruptures and keeping CT up, and we do great single target by not having to spread ruptures and keeping CT up

[hoary fulcrum]

Yes. It'll put you in the same spot every time. Once you learn where you can dps and strafe and once the beam is past just SS

[amber mountain]

Yep, it's great once you get it. Though I sometimes still have to start the run so some of my guildies get their butts moving

[scenic ocean]

What are your thoughts on Necro vs Venthyr? And respectively, if I do assa in raids, would you go Outlaw or Sub for M+?

I was Necro in the hopes that outlaw Dwathspike would be great, but it seems its subpar.

[fallen arch]

Necro sin all the way

For both raid and m+

It is fun once they fix the sbs bug

[scenic ocean]

Isn't obedience simming like 1k higher?

[fallen arch]

But when you realy want to push m+, and then we’re talking 21+ go necro outlaw for m+

[scenic ocean]

So sub is trash for M+?

[fallen arch]

In full bis mythic gear yes, but everything is close enough together imo to play what you enjoy most

[fallen arch]

Nobody said that

It’s actually really good, all 3 specs are pretty viable for m+ rn

But if you wanna m+ in sub go venthyr with obedience

[scenic ocean]

I'm probably doing something wrong with my aoe rotations in assa, but can't get decent numbers out.

[fallen arch]

What is not decent?

Just curious, maybe we can help

[scenic ocean]

Well depends on the group size right.

But like 6-8k maybe on like a 5 group I'd say.

This is guessing tho.

[fallen arch]

What do you end overall on, that’s more important

[scenic ocean]

I played sub last season and the aoe rotation felt more smooth.

[fallen arch]

If you’re comfortablr with sub, try it now. It’s way better than last season

[scenic ocean]

Around 5.5-6.5k

What threw me off is that fan of knives on a full group sometimes gives just one combo

I likely just need practice.

[fallen arch]

Probably, what is your ilvl?

[scenic ocean]

233 now.

[fallen arch]

Yeah then you should land higher

[scenic ocean]

Haven't done m+ yet with the new gear

So on tyrannical. You spec poison bomb or CT

[fallen arch]

CT

Trash is still way too important not to

And ct isn’t that far off pb in st

[scenic ocean]

And doomblade?

[fallen arch]

Nope

Zoldyck, or obedience if you’re venthyr

[scenic ocean]

Ooh. I'll look into that.

Thanks mil.

[fallen arch]

Sure!

The icy veins guide has a good section on m+ rotation btw

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[fallen arch]

!guide

Make sure to follow that and your numbers will rise I’m sure

[warped temple]

true!

[spice spire]

Ryfie spotting

[warped temple]

🤗

[fallen arch]

He’s a sub brother nowadays tho

[warped temple]

i wish I could play sin more but conduit energy.......

[fallen arch]

Don’t let him fool you

[warped temple]

😰

hahahah

why does conduit energy exist lol it's already bad enough with the cov swap cooldown

[fallen arch]

Ikr

It’s maddening

Praying they’ll remove that shit in 9.2

Probably not

But please let me first use my sbs in peace

Without having to rage every other cast

[limber lion]

Necro sin

[warped temple]

yeah hahah we love necro sin

[warped temple]

😍

[fallen arch]

It’s wonderful, if it works

[spice spire]

Necro sin gamers truly ethical

[fallen arch]

Gonna make a wa

To give me a warning when a target already had a spike

[winter vapor]

just read about the bug - is it when the target dies it doesnt refund the charge if you've cast it twice?

[normal slate]

!trinkets

[south drum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[fallen arch]

Ye it sucks really

[winter vapor]

well bleh.

guess its time to try out venthyr

[heavy forge]

plz no, I love SBS I hope they'll fix it soon

!deathly

anyone knows if deathlyshadow gear swap works for Assa like it does for sub ?

[echo geyser]

nope it doesnt

[heavy forge]

rip, thanks

[echo geyser]

fixed for sin outlaw

sub has a diff spell id as it gives 20% dmg

[stone gate]

crit/haste on obedience cloak?

[wraith panther]

So does Sin have a massive gap in DPS in M+ compared to Outlaw? I was strictly doing M+ last season but now I’m raiding so im debating playing strictly sin or sin raid outlaw M+ lol.

[sonic schooner]

Sin in m+ with spiteful affix

[wraith panther]

Is that a good cry or a bad cry? 😂

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

How’s your combo points doing bone boy

[balmy condor]

Outlined in the 9.1 section of the #assassination-faq

[limber lion]

[plain thistle]

[balmy condor]

I’m seli’s worst nightmare

Venth sub on cleave fights

[limber lion]

pain

i just want to be a good bonerboy

[sonic schooner]

Ceveeee

[soft shale]

tfw when you do like 8.6k dps on nine and that is like a 99 as sub but green log as assa

kek

[limber lion]

on mythic?

pretty sure 8.6k is a 99 for sin

[soft shale]

tbh didnt look at assa dps

but it should be less

[limber lion]

i mean my 9.4k is r1

[soft shale]

maybe first week it was krangled

[limber lion]

public r1 log was at 9k a few days ago

not sure if it's higher now

[fallen arch]

8.6 on heroic is 99 on sin

[balmy condor]

Mythic tho

[thorny pond]

Mythic 9 someone said was an outlaw fight

Don’t think he was right

[soft shale]

well lets just say its not a sub fight but my bad didnt look at assa tables

kind of surprised how you cant see the dps then you begin climbing slowly

tornado gamer although i was not in the kill in the end

[thorny pond]

Go sub so you can climb from the bottom to the top

Satisfying

[copper pine]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YBkm7jbCyHfPDRhq#fight=32&type=damage-done

[soft shale]

well the other assa rogue in my guild did fine

[copper pine]

its not a green log ?!

[balmy condor]

Looks green to me

Get good scrub

Only 8.6

Pathetic

[limber lion]

log check

[balmy condor]

We didn’t kill eye yesterday

[worn monolith]

is there any rough ballpark how much a full set of shards adds to our DPS? I'm simming my character against ~ilvl rogues with 3 piece shards, and they're coming out like 1200-1500 dps ahead of me. That seems insane

[limber lion]

around 1k for a full set seems fair.

• the shards which are a few hundred dps

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[balmy condor]

1200-1500 dps for 5 gems

Seems accurate

[worn monolith]

ok, wow, how about that

[soft shale]

yea rank 4 unholy set

is blast 1k

and wait when we have full soulbinds

that is some extra deeps

[thorny pond]

Theo my boi

[soft shale]

also when lashing scars gets that juicy

+3

[thorny pond]

252 LC

What

[late birch]

My ticking sack of terror is simming highest for me in ST .. .is this a simbait?

[thorny pond]

Nope!

[soft shale]

no trink is good vs low ilvl other trinks

its beast in cleave too

[late birch]

ive noticed yeah

ahyt i'll give it a go

and see what happens 🙂

[thorny pond]

Cool Deadly

You can help me get mine :p

[late birch]

kek

[soft shale]

yea i've had no luck

[late birch]

got that stat trinket from last hardmode boss too 😄

[worn monolith]

sol

[thorny pond]

I’ve had good luck otherwise so I can’t bitch

[worn monolith]

so'leah's secret technique has dropped for my group every time i've run it, but not for me

[eager cairn]

hey has anyone noticed that the new Necrolords legendary sometimes doesnt recharge after the target dies ?

[soft shale]

pin

[limber lion]

yeh sbs itself is bugged.

not the legendary

[eager cairn]

ahhh thanks a lot i was getting pretty annnoyed with it

[limber swallow]

it actually seems worse in 9.1 than it was in 9.0.5

[thorny pond]

SBS is nice when right

Blizzard too busy drinking to code correctly

[fallen arch]

What is?

[limber swallow]

the SBS bug

[balmy condor]

Just as a thing, “sim bait” isn’t really a thing ever

[tribal marlin]

https://i.imgur.com/jdAZr98.png

The nine mythic

[balmy condor]

What about it

[thorny pond]

WhatMik?

[fallen arch]

What are you saying?

[soft shale]

red numbers

what do they mean kek

[fallen arch]

I see 3 boneyboys in top

[balmy condor]

Oh no

Pi

[narrow ravine]

people getting 4 PIs?

[tribal marlin]

I see PIs whores 😦

[balmy condor]

So scary

[fallen arch]

Ye so?

[balmy condor]

It’s been like this all expansion

[thorny pond]

Sin rogue is a good PI target

[harsh anchor]

I get PI but I don’t ask for it

[soft shale]

just wait until out boi passasin gets to that boss on reclear

[fallen arch]

Of they have got the sets, migjt as well send pi their way

[soft shale]

we about to see 20 buffs

[tribal marlin]

average*

[narrow ravine]

PI is more effective on other specs like DK

[thorny pond]

Speak for yourself

[narrow ravine]

Boomie

Locks

[thorny pond]

Yea, sin rogues. That’s what I said

[balmy condor]

You were literally in here during sire prog telling people to PI sin during p3 for the execute

And now you’re here complaining about sim getting PI’s at all

[fallen arch]

[narrow ravine]

he wishes he got the PI

[soft shale]

lets be fair fuck pi we want a kyrian druid with leggo

[thorny pond]

Tell your priest to just give it you till you

[soft shale]

8% crit that becomes 16% every min

[tribal marlin]

I don't wnat PI there are much better targets in my raid

[thorny pond]

And while they’re at it the NF ability too

[lean coral]

add in kyrian hunter with kyrian leggo

[soft shale]

just have to kidnap their kids and hold them at gun point

maybe their spouse too

[thorny pond]

If you ain’t first you’re last.

[narrow ravine]

but you dont like other raids giving PI to sins?

[fallen arch]

I even get PI from our shadow priest

[lean coral]

ok hes just dumb

[tired vessel]

I get PI but no battle shout 😏

[thorny pond]

Get a new guild

[harsh anchor]

I don’t want it but you can’t have it either

[tribal marlin]

Nop, that's your interpretation 🙂

[tired vessel]

Stop being the voice in my head all patch!

[thorny pond]

I hear Limit needs a new rogue :p

[balmy condor]

Exile

[tired vessel]

You got Max's fax #? Ill send him my resume!

[late birch]

Anyones elses SBS not staying on dummies?

[thorny pond]

If you say pogger in his chat 3x you get a raid spot

[narrow ravine]

SBS drops from dummies outside of shadowlands, I noticed

hard to get some good tests on aoe

necrolord dummies are all 2 pairs no aoe groupings

[late birch]

byeah pretty shitty

[narrow ravine]

I tried to test using the aoe dummies in boralis but yes, SBS just drops instantly

so not very helpful

[fallen arch]

Also part of our buggy covenant ability I guess

[limber lion]

just get r1's without pi

show the noobs what you're made of

[frail fossil]

and shit gear like u had in CN

[tribal marlin]

it's not about parses xD

[tired vessel]

These bugs really help validate the swap from necro weeks ago despite my lack of will to do so 😭 my sympathies to all you boner boiz.

[frail fossil]

xD

[fallen arch]

Then what’s your point?

I’m curious

[frail fossil]

feel you man, dw if u go venthyr i find the playstyle pretty fun too

[tribal marlin]

It's about misusing PI, during progression*

[tired vessel]

Oh im enjoying being a bitey boi once again. But I was super hesitant to make the swap just based on sims....now im like....patting myself on the back >.<

[fallen arch]

How is it misusing pi’s when your rogue might be one of the only ones in the raid with unholy set bonus

[narrow ravine]

maybe progression is the point, my raid has some really unreliable players who die a lot, I do not, im often the last one to die on a wipe, so often people ask to buff me because im more reliably alive for the whole pull

[frigid meteor]

The M+ rotation on IV for assassination implies you don't re-garrote after the first 3, you just maintain 3-4 Ruptures. I feel like that's not right, but... is it?

[narrow ravine]

yet I would not be the best to use PI on otherwise

[balmy condor]

You do garrote

[fallen arch]

Use garrote on cd when you feel targets live long enough

[frigid meteor]

oh nevermind I can't read and that's the problem

[normal slate]

so garrote on 3 targets rupture on 3 targets?

[balmy condor]

A common problem to be fair, you’re good

[frigid meteor]

[balmy condor]

Garrote and ruptures on everything that lives long enough

[normal slate]

ty

[thorny pond]

PI is a sin CD

We eat utility

[bleak sun]

Running obedience on m+ is so smooth with lashing scars 239

[fallen arch]

True

[thorny pond]

I bring attitude, mechanical awareness and an insatiable desire to eat all the PIs

[tribal marlin]

haha yeah maybe. But you know it's not exactly how it works in facts.

[fallen arch]

Or maybe some of our rogue friends are best buddies with their priests

I guess it’s the way the world works

[tribal marlin]

More likely to be this yeah

[thorny pond]

If you want me to tell your raid lead to give you PI Mik just say so

I got you

[fallen arch]

Also, I havent done it but I heard the Nine is pretty easy on Mythic. Might as well PI who ever you like most in guild

[tribal marlin]

yeah it's trash boss

But it would kills me being a UH DK with good gear and not getting PI during aotd tbh

[fallen arch]

There’s worse things happening in the world

[tribal marlin]

NO it's the worst thing ever

.<

imagine

[fallen arch]

And if you know you’re close to a rank 1 parse, might as well ask for an extra Pi

I get it

[tribal marlin]

I wish we get tricks back

[fallen arch]

We have tricks

Wdym

[tribal marlin]

real tricks

[fallen arch]

It is real

[tribal marlin]

legacy tricks

[fallen arch]

It’s the best thing in m+

Never get clapped

[tribal marlin]

use to be baseline

[fallen arch]

Ye I know

Some sort of PI

Which only would upset people

Cos of parses

[tribal marlin]

Oh and the issue that made me see this PI thingy

Is someone coming to me "dude look WCL Assa is so much better than Sub rn"

I was like "wtf are you saying" then I saw last week parses, with only first 3 bosses, crazy amount of PI on assa Rogues.

[fallen arch]

If he tries to prove that with a Nine parse ignore and block

Unless it’s your RL asking you to play sin

[tribal marlin]

WCL stats never filter externals parses so it has been scuffed since 9.0 but yeah

[fallen arch]

In which case you say yes sir

[tribal marlin]

haha no fortunately my RL is a sense person

[jolly atlas]

Exactly how BiS is the sylvannas dagger?

Or is it just the high il?

[thorny pond]

Wear the normal one on OH bis

[jolly atlas]

Thicc dagger MH and toothpick normal once OH ok

[limber lion]

you got it

[mystic fractal]

Second normal mode sylv dagger this week O_o there goes my loot luck for the entire patch

[jolly atlas]

No new dagger for you in until 2023

[soft shale]

dont go alone in a dark night my man

[fallen arch]

Get outta here

[jolly atlas]

It will be a green one in the 10.0 pre-patch

[mystic fractal]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/bleeding-hollow/Stabspacho

In my defense, I got six straight weeks of cloaks and rings out of chest last tier

[main wharf]

rogues with the word stab in their name are the weakest breed

[thorny pond]

False

[mystic fractal]

Your unsolicited opinion is as appreciated as it is relevant

[thorny pond]

Illidan DH names are

[main wharf]

im glad that your flexxing of 2 sylvanas daggers has ferried this chat into a new age of progression and learning

[spice spire]

Can confirm

[thorny pond]

Hi buddy

[spice spire]

My DH’s name is Papi. Nothing to do with illidad

Also hi beach

[thorny pond]

Illidad

[spice spire]

Freudian slip

[thorny pond]

It’s ok

Shadowlands is a kink game anyways

[viscid spear]

I made an alt Rogue named Knifeywifey and got flagged for a name change. Went with Pyrethrin until I started my naming theme of "--kitten" and went with Shadekitten, but I don't use my Rogue alts anymore.
Can't imagine actually using Stab in a name, those people are weak and their bloodline will surely not survive the winter.

[harsh anchor]

Rogue in my guild was suspended for having the name “Massgenocide”

[main wharf]

what is it that makes people use kitten as a naming convention i've seen a fair bit cough cough how's sin rogue everyone hehe 🙂

[nimble tartan]

mf named after a shoe lol

[strange python]

Jealous of all the PIs going out on top logs :/

[main wharf]

😔

[spice spire]

mf can’t even maxmax smh

[gusty mirage]

got em

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

worse than that, mf named after a shoe, which is named after a cat, making fun of people naming themselves after a cat

smh my head

[thorny pond]

Mfer is named after a dumb cat

[slim pebble]

Do we just bonespike out of stealh/vanish and then forget about it for the rest of fight or do we use it for combo points at any point

For MA

[thorny pond]

Dump during gemstones

[balmy condor]

yuh

[gusty mirage]

^

[spice spire]

Mfers literally have the letters “sp” in their name making fun of cat names

[balmy condor]

#assassination-faq

btw

[gusty mirage]

mfers literally have a dog as their profile pic because he's a GOOD BOY

[sonic schooner]

[slow marsh]

mfers actually have is in their name acting like they are theorycrafters or something

[spice spire]

That’s factual though

[balmy condor]

mfers out here with red names being all cute n shit

[slow marsh]

hey i try

i'll be even more cute when i'm the only rogue in logs using dashing

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

uwu

[limber lion]

[nimble tartan]

lmaoo true

[gusty mirage]

a rogue friend of mine said he really really appreciates the new FAQ channels @balmy condor @limber lion and I was like I know the smart MFers who worked on em

and they're as cute as they are smart

[slow marsh]

tru

[balmy condor]

a rogue friend of yours? yo ping that fool lemme get those digits

[gusty mirage]

@stone fable KERRAH

KERRAHHHHHH

COME TO US

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

he'll be so confused as to why he has a ping here

[balmy condor]

Kerrah has a nice ring to it tbh

like that

[slow marsh]

I agree

It's one of those names that sounds better than it looks and then grows on you

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

That's great because I didn't do anything

I added one thing and Whispyr just removed it right away

[gusty mirage]

close enough

that's more work than any of us did

[warped moon]

gotta agree with you there

[limber lion]

@balmy condor by the way, Fuu added all links to guides and resources on #subtlety-faq

like I did previously

what's the plan, are we doing that or na

[balmy condor]

idk really

I've been thinking about it

[main wharf]

never disparaged anyone named after a kitten just wanted to know why that one in particular was a common convention 😔

but people with stab 😈

[worn monolith]

does raidbots let you sim shards

[vestal wren]

yes

you can just select them in top gear

[left plaza]

Is obedience easy to play as doomblade in sin rogue? or do I need to get a lot of stacks? cause i cant get more than 20/25 per flagelation

[woeful orbit]

thinking about crafting my soul cinder leggo - currently raiding as Sin, but unsure if i want to craft a high level Doomblade (currently running 235 gloves) if i will be swapping to Sub for raid. Question for the community: is there a rule that can be used to determine when it is appropriate to swap to sub (ASSUMPTION: As a venth, sub is better for most raid encounters when you achieve a given minimum gear threshold)? I want to craft a high-level leggo, but i dont want to waste it on a sin leggo if im swapping to sub shortly

[sonic schooner]

mostly depends on you, do you want to play sub or sin ?

:p

[woeful orbit]

I like Sin, but sub looks to be simming way better at high end

[ancient kraken]

specs are really close