assassination

[drifting cloud]

[plain thistle]

you need 3 shards to get the full set bonus my friend

[nimble tartan]

cloth bracers

both sets

[plain thistle]

[drifting cloud]

doesnt work

[half tartan]

so is my sim incorrect or is the unholy set diferential in damage 1062 from the blue set bonus https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Nm6RfuhQ3wyKLrx9aQyc6

I need a helm bad if so

[sudden canyon]

is the frost bonus no bueno in pve?

if u have the unholy ofc

still no helm tho 😦

[lyric cave]

yesterdayi used the frost did as much as a trinket

[half tartan]

i got 4 sockets no helm

[lyric cave]

b/c missing one unholy

[half tartan]

i want my guild to just feed it to me

[sudden canyon]

i have all unholy and no helm and got the shoulders but missing 1 frost. feelsbad.

i guess i can run blood lol

[half tartan]

our mages and shadow priests were getting a 700 DPS diferrential with the unh set, is rogue assassin really like 1-1.2k?

is it that much better for us?

[drifting cloud]

no you just simmed 339 boots

[half tartan]

ohh im an idiot

[drifting cloud]

so they have 175 agi

[half tartan]

ty for catching that

i knew something had to be off

[sudden canyon]

do u guys hold flag for 30 secs to sync or on CD it?

[royal lantern]

can you have more then 1 set effect when you have enough slots

[sudden canyon]

im running zoldycks. i havent played since release. so behind on soul ass 😭

[royal lantern]

only hold if it doesnt result in a missed cast trought out the fight

otherwhise use on cd

[sudden canyon]

i feel like it would be good for me to have it synced for execute tho

[stark anchor]

mash on cd, if you aren't going to get another cast then you can hold and line up with cds cause it wont result in a missed cast at that point

[quaint carbon]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[eager solstice]

Best conduits for m+?

[quaint carbon]

anyone knows if vanish cancel Sylvana arrow in p3? just saw a mage clip avoiding it with invis

i mean if i got it right

[sonic schooner]

It shouldn't 🤔

[regal cape]

If it weren't for the fact that only 5 dom sockets are across each armor type, then yea. But since we only get 5 sockets you take the set you want and the other dps gems

[halcyon zealot]

thats a dps loss, no good xD

[royal lantern]

i asked cus we can use cloth gear

[regal cape]

:^)

Now that's a good meme

[balmy condor]

That doesn’t work

[royal lantern]

ye, fuu told me

[sonic schooner]

Full clothes rogue

[zealous marsh]

so we want unholy set, but if I was trolled and i have full blood and frost set which one i want to choose

[royal lantern]

sim?

[zealous marsh]

for now i was raiding with frost

[royal lantern]

and the answer is blood

frost is shit

like, 200%shit

and bro, dont complain about having sets lel

majority dont have the shards OR the slots

[zealous marsh]

[fleet anchor]

Can also recommend this. The Mass Dispel cast WA makes everything so much easier, even if you aren't dropping.

[zealous marsh]

blood set was completed yesterday so i will check it

[fleet anchor]

I do find it funny that Blizzard hotfixed the trick that would actually allow some specs to be brought on the fight.

As it is now, most guilds will just stack with specs that can cheese it

Nobody is gonna move away from the mass dispel strat any time soon

Remnant is just a chill fight for Rogues though

Shadowstep and Feint everything 😄

[sonic schooner]

Using a gcd to feint

[gentle gyro]

if you like your healers, you do that

[pure moth]

Survival is also good

[gentle gyro]

40% dmg reduce for major raid mechanics is nuts

[pure moth]

You wont do much for your group if you're dead.

[gentle gyro]

if i was more confident i'd actually go with elusiveness

but i proc cheat death way too often 😅

[trail anvil]

Sounds like a healer issue or you’re just doing something wrong

[hollow river]

What can we feint on that fight

There was also a big aoe on KT p3 that one shot me

Was wondering if that is feintable

[gentle gyro]

nono it's because i fuck sth up or deliberately eat something cause I know i have CD

it's nice having an automatic failsave

on an unrelated note, i really like that revive-legendary holy priest has. random connection I'm sure

[fleet anchor]

Everything

😛

Knockback, Feint. Shatter, Feint. Stuck in a bunch of swirls and can't get out? Also, surprisingly, Feint.

lol

Big one is the shatter though. That's what is sketchy for many classes.

Cutting a 30k hit down to 16k is a pretty ridiculous change in the context of our current total HP

[strange python]

Worth tracking Dom shard at all? I know snapshottings long gone but it's gotta be worth holding a 5 cp, 0 energy envenom if you're about to proc the big part, right?

[gentle gyro]

you had the perfect opportunity to make the "believe it or not: faint" joke

and didn't take it. i'm disappointed

[fleet anchor]

Subverting expectations man

I learned from Shadowlands

[gentle gyro]

it's the little things

[mighty bolt]

!bis

[gentle gyro]

pretty sure that only works in the respective channels

or they removed it because iirc the response was

[mighty bolt]

my officer wants a bislist

for looting on raid

[gentle gyro]

there is none

[mighty bolt]

so i wanted to cheat

and just copypaste it

😛

[gentle gyro]

and if your officer wants a bis-list he has no fuckin idea about loot

[mighty bolt]

will paste him a droptimizer

[gentle gyro]

the correct answer is always "sim it"

just link him raidbots.com

[fleet anchor]

I mean we have "loot needs" in our guild in terms of ranking bosses

But that's typically based on droptimizer and such

[mighty bolt]

yeah

will do droptimizer

[obtuse quest]

can i do sims with a shard bonus without having them?

[wild mural]

Yeah you click the shards

[slim jay]

im simming a little higher with blindside and deep strat but everyone and their mom on logs uses EP and Vigor. Should I be trusting sims or is ep best outside of true patchwork

[fleet anchor]

The reason is most of the fights aren't true patchwerk

And the talents are so close, when you consider EP pulls ahead immediately with any secondary target that's mostly why people are running it as default

[slim jay]

okay

[fleet anchor]

If it was really skewed people might take one or the other

But when the margin is so small, may as well just roll out EP

Like for me it's only 0.3%

So really not much reason to prio that over the flexibility of EP being considerably better in multi-target

Blindside/Deeper for me is like 3.5% behind in 2T for example

[vestal wren]

EP 📈

[fleet anchor]

And 0.3% behind in 1T

So to me that's a no-brainer

[small island]

Can u shadowstep eye of the jailer?

to dodge the beam, or do u need to shadowstep to a player

[harsh anchor]

Yes

[vestal wren]

i haven't tested if you can just use doors

[crystal delta]

how much haste would you recommend baseline?

[loud light]

you just need to learn the spot that shadowstep takes you (use it on pull) and step when that spot is safe

[small island]

ye worked fine

[pliant nest]

are there sims that show the difference between uh/blood/frost set bonuses?

[narrow ravine]

I have my own sims on it but you would have to sim yourself

put on head shoulders chest, then swap out the gems in multiple gear sets

frost and blood are less than unholy but better than nothing

[balmy condor]

Bloodmallet

[vestal wren]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[slim jay]

yeah its 1.3% for me

[narrow ravine]

bloodmallet shows frost competing with unholy

[pliant nest]

ty

[olive peak]

is it unholy bonus bis for us btw?

[fleet anchor]

It will depend on how much haste you have

[narrow ravine]

Whispyr, I know you posted the bugs with bonespike in the discord pins but is blizzard aware was it a bug report?

[fleet anchor]

Yes they are aware

[slim jay]

says i have 21.79% haste

[fleet anchor]

I'm closer to 26% with 850 rating unbuffed so that's gonna skew it slightly

[final sky]

what do i want to be doing during sylvanas? i seem to be doing like no damage compared to other bosses

do i wonna go for more envenoms or keep bleeds up on adds

[plucky isle]

Regarding the unholy shard bonus , are we able to benefit from a domination socket which is linked to a different set? (example frost- blood)
i have 2 unholy shards equiped, i have a 3th item with a domination socket but this one has the frost bonus linked to it.

[plucky isle]

how much dps did you have that fight?

[narrow ravine]

you will wear all 3 bonus items, head, chest, shoulders, only one that is active is the number of shards of that type you have socketed

so its impossible to get more than one bonus

[plucky isle]

ok perfect, thanks a lot 🙂

i guess it only becomes active when you are in the raid

[narrow ravine]

or the maw/torghast

[radiant dirge]

Torghast / maw / and raid , but the shards still have their individual effect outside

[astral plover]

What is best for our 4th gem Frost or Blood, when u already have chaos bane

[radiant dirge]

Bek

And cor

[astral plover]

yes but which on of them

[radiant dirge]

Bek>cor for raid

Cor>bek for m+

[astral plover]

Ty

[wild bone]

which legendary should i get for venthyr assa if I want to do raids and pvp?

[radiant dirge]

Check pins

[willow gulch]

says Obedience but alot of people still going doomblade?

[brave mulch]

Dumb question but is blindside a sim trap? Wowhead says talent setup should be that over EP however when I check logs 90% of sin rogues run EP over Blindside. Was curious as to the reason?

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[brave mulch]

Welp that answers it lol

[agile geode]

is an error on bloodmallet frost set bigger?

[willow gulch]

why are more people going doomblade over Obedience when Obedience sims better?

[final sky]

lik 3.3k

[odd hazel]

People prob just don’t want to make obedience tbh

[worn monolith]

could also fear another obed. nerf

[balmy condor]

obed isn't getting nerfed again

0 reason to

[odd hazel]

It really didn’t need one last time but they did a good job bringing it into line

[rotund moon]

assuming they're also still sticking to philosophy of not touching outside major patches unless its giga broke

[odd hazel]

Giga broke?

What is

[odd hazel]

[winter current]

i'm struggling with deciding which to craft right now. i'm venthyr playing sin for most things, sub for cleave fights

[rotund moon]

Yeah so start of expac they said their philosophy going into the expac with leggos would be unless something is off the charts broken they wouldn't be tuning outside major patches so they're not invalidating player choices when they're sinking resources into it

[winter current]

obedience is so good in theory but doomblade feels like its doing something all the time not just in cooldown window

[odd hazel]

Sin is better for cleave. But otherwise for you playing both craft obedience

[willow gulch]

yea sub pulls away at 5+

[winter current]

i think most people will want to craft both but the question is.. which one can wait until progression to late bosses

[worn monolith]

does black powder have no target cap

[willow gulch]

8 targets

[winter current]

sorry i mispoke.. i mean i play sub for multi target fights (not cleave)

[astral plover]

@balmy condor https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tXnKBJmGcjy91Q4A/#boss=-2&difficulty=0&type=damage-done&source=155

i took you're pointers from last night, when u checked my log

[simple stratus]

Do we have any sim number charts comparing Blood set bonus to Unholy?

didnt see anything in pins

[royal lantern]

is "blood is good, but unholy is better" enough?

[limber lion]

I mean you can just sim it-

yourself

using top gear in raidbots.

[simple stratus]

big true, just wondering if something was already out there

[sudden canyon]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[sudden canyon]

does cloak sett off the nerzhul bomb

[ruby birch]

Yes

[keen flint]

Celestial Guidance main weapon
Sinful Revelation off-hand ?

[odd hazel]

Yes

[candid galleon]

I play doomblade and DD. During shiv windows in cleave/council fights, can I refresh bleeds on other targets if they're about to fall off? Or better to put muts/envenoms into the shivved target. And does this change if I'm playing obedience?

[fleet anchor]

Actually not sure it does now.

[odd heath]

It doesn't

[sudden canyon]

bet boutta wipe my raid for science

[odd heath]

I tried yesterday

[fleet anchor]

I used cloak during a double a little too early last night and it didn't seem to anymore

[odd heath]

Cloaked and shadowstepped. 1 sec later boom, wiped the raid

[odd hazel]

Koji

[odd heath]

For science

[visual prairie]

is the deathly shadows cheese worth it for sin, or is losing a master assassin window too costly?

[odd hazel]

It does not work for sin

[visual prairie]

is that legendary only for sub?

[fleet anchor]

Yeah it only works on the Sub version of the buff

They are different buffs

[visual prairie]

ah

[fleet anchor]

Presumably they only tied the gear restriction to the original buff

Not the new one they made for Sub later

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[strange python]

!guide

[delicate smelt]

blood runeword worth it?

[fleet anchor]

Yes

[scenic nacelle]

Cloak does not set off Nerzuls bomb as outlaw, why would it work differently as sin

[fleet anchor]

You take whatever 3 set you have available to you

Worry about optimizing which one it is later

[delicate smelt]

nice 🙂

[fleet anchor]

They are all 4-8% DPS increases depending on what you have to give up

But it's basically impossible for it not to be a DPS gain

If it's not your long-term planned set, I would only upgrade to Rank 3 probably

[delicate smelt]

well i dont have tha main piece for whole set

only one item with domination socket

[visual prairie]

i pick based on which swirls go best with my gear

[delicate smelt]

are runewords biggest dps gain in raid?

[soft shale]

by far

[royal lantern]

why is EP and BS so close to eachother

and for me its 189dps difference lol

[vestal wren]

EP becomes better with time

[royal lantern]

EP must age

like wine

got it

[vestal wren]

pmuch, higher gear levels = ep might take over

[wintry mica]

Is it just higher levels of crit at max ilvl that are having frost set sim higher than unholy on bloodmallet?

[balmy condor]

yes

[slow marsh]

EP / DS isn't that far off right now

[grand vine]

hello team do you have any info about your opener on venthyr ?
Try to check but not so usefull ❤️

[odd hazel]

Mut - snd - mut - garrote - vendetta - flag - rupture - shiv/vanish - mut - evenom - mut

[scenic root]

You have this saved somewhere, probably would save you time. Copy paste every time asked

[odd hazel]

Not saved tbh

[scenic root]

Should just pin it, save everyone time haha

[grand vine]

Better use mut after vanish or Ambush(not on proc)?

[odd hazel]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[balmy condor]

we don't pin guide information

if people can't google icyveins or wowhead

that's their problem

[grand vine]

Ohhh wp @odd hazel you are the best

[scenic root]

Well they come in here and expect us to spoon feed it anyway haha

[odd hazel]

Don’t mind helping people

It’s not that big of a deal

[balmy condor]

I don't mind helping either

but pins

cring

[lone wren]

Blizzard should give rogues the ability to apply an ability similar to our pray talent on raid bosses, where we hurt the target's armor and make the whole raid do extra damage for a short duration. It would give rogues a meaningful raid cooldown and makes it pretty fun to plan raid wide burns around. I don't know why I just talked about this, i just really want something like this lol

[odd hazel]

We used to

[jagged osprey]

got my dom shard socket bonus 🙂

[balmy condor]

gz

[jagged osprey]

except its frost

fml

[lone wren]

i missed out then 😦

[halcyon zealot]

let me introduce you to expose armor

[odd hazel]

Expose armor

[lone wren]

why did they take it away?

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real bay]

not a single domination piece yet, yea boy

30 kills soon tm

[lone wren]

i have 2 sockets, 2 unholy shards, i feel you. This week have killed 1 mythic, 8 heroic bosses and not a single shard drop

[burnt star]

Dont forget the free dom glove from death advance

Even if its 220.

[pure osprey]

and vers/mastery

[mighty bolt]

bois, opener on the nine as necro?

[burnt star]

The set bonus outscale 2nd stat

By a lot

[mighty bolt]

sbs snd garrote rupture full on 2nd target?

[median hamlet]

is triple potency nadjia better than dauntless on any fights in SoD?

[south hollow]

On KT if im assigned to kill the add on the platform do you guys think i should keep vendetta for it ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[hollow river]

Simsimsim

[harsh anchor]

I busted on CD on KT and yolo’d downstairs. If it was up, pop it. Except last downstairs phase.

[hollow river]

This is me

[halcyon zealot]

uh i’d say that heavily depends on who else / how many else aee going down

[shut garnet]

r u doing the dps stop strat

cuz if so, u should have it up for the 2nd add

[halcyon zealot]

in my group if iused vendetta downstairs it would be wasted

[shut garnet]

u should have flag for the first and both(?) for the 2nd

(i also assume u mean hc, correct me if im wrong)

[hollow river]

Yeah on heroic we nuke the add so freaking fast

Tbh I feel like sub is the play for KT if you’re going downstairs

Better burst

Thats@what I’m gonna do for mythic I think

[harsh anchor]

Yolo sin rogue for life. Guild might not see anything after M Pain. Who knows tho.

[south hollow]

IM NECRO

sorry caps

[halcyon zealot]

your covenant on your rogue isn’t the deciding factor on your guilds prog if you’re not a WR20 or higher guild

[south hollow]

yes

[halcyon zealot]

imho

[harsh anchor]

Oh of course it’s not

But I’m told “min max to the moon and back”

And I’m like “mmm no”

[halcyon zealot]

hey atleast you’re not NF

There’s a NF rogue in my guild who comes to heroic clears rofl, refuses to change

[harsh anchor]

Hey me too

[shut garnet]

ya then that should still check out, no vendetta for 1st one, vendetta + everything for 2nd

[harsh anchor]

Oh and we have an aff lock - kind of poogers

[shut garnet]

unless u REALLY need the vendetta for first in which case u just

hold on pull i guess

[lyric crater]

ah ok i just notice bone spike is bug good job blizzard haha

[odd hazel]

gross an aff lock

[jaunty kayak]

i find that sometimes, when on pull i use SBS it disappears to the void without a single CP generated.. am i alone on this particular one?

[odd hazel]

Bonespike is currently bugged for necrolords
Bug 1: At some point in a fight, sbs will no longer grant extra CP for active bleeds on your main-target. This means you will get 1cp baseline from any additional spikes. We don't understand the root cause for this and it isn't always repeatable.

Bug 2: Casting a Bonespike on a target that already has the bleed active, i.e. casting SBS twice on the same target, will no longer refund a charge from that target. This one is 100% repeatable.

[jaunty kayak]

yy i read those, but i didnt get from those that the spike just disappears.. one says base CP generated, the other, no charge refund ... but i stated a different bug than these :D

[crystal delta]

I changed to Assassination today, is there a quick way to get Lashing Scars at a good ilvl from some source? or is it really just world boss and denathrius?

[balmy condor]

it can get parried

[jaunty kayak]

hm.. so im unlucky af.. got it

[jaunty kayak]

callings perhaps

[crystal delta]

Done all those already 😦

[shut garnet]

sbs can get parried?

[languid plinth]

Stat prio for M+ only?

[burnt star]

U get a ilvl 200 when u finish the campaign

[crystal delta]

oh okay thats something 😛 and from that on i can use the upgraders i assume

[burnt star]

After that. By doing your m+ u should get almost all of your 226 conduit

Do the megadungeon too. U get extra conduit

[crystal delta]

yeah farming renown for now 😛 sadly they fixed the plaguefall thing

[burnt star]

Thata gonna leave your lashing at 200 while everything else 226

[hollow river]

Some people just enjoy min maxing everything they can and improving themselves/their set up as much as possible.

[burnt star]

Just need 2 korthia upgrade and enjoy 226 lashing

[hollow river]

Even if I was only gonna get 5/10 mythic, I’d still optimize myself as much as I can because I enjoy it.

[delicate smelt]

for The Nine, what is better? Outlaw or Assa?

[strange python]

anyone free to point out my mistakes or provide tips looking at my log?

[hollow river]

Check logs

[topaz saffron]

Going forever without a single poison bomb proc is making me damn salty 🥺

[spice mortar]

what mythic plus trinekts could i try to farm that be good is the necrotic trinket good cause phial a lost cause so far lol

[frail fossil]

yep

absolute pain

[odd hazel]

any thing can

[shut garnet]

well

flag cant

[odd hazel]

that

would feel super bad

imagine lmao

[spice spire]

Flag parried

[odd hazel]

i would just jump off the edge

[hollow river]

When shiv parries

[warm portal]

is Fine Razorwing Quill any good ?

[graceful mirage]

it is

Fine

[hollow river]

Simsimsim

[solid venture]

blizzard pls fix sbs I beg

[regal cape]

At least it isn't legion PB, where that shit was ultra volatile

Praying for the master assassin execute during shiv PB wombo combo

[hollow river]

Revert obedience and deathspike

[placid pagoda]

Swapped to necro coz my Flag got parried 4 separate times in HC clear fuck me sideways

[hollow river]

I don’t think I’ve ever parried flag

[placid pagoda]

Twice on pull on pain smith basically

[hollow river]

Do u still build stacks?

[placid pagoda]

Ye opener into full combo pop flag parried

[hollow river]

Like does it just parry your lashes?

And u still get haste buff? Or no

[placid pagoda]

Im dumb

I meant Mut

Not flag

[hollow river]

L

O

L

[placid pagoda]

Been a long day

[hollow river]

Same

[placid pagoda]

But I went necro regardless I find it more stable than Flag

[small island]

can you precloak fractures on the nine? so u dont get the debuff

[main blaze]

except that bonespike randomly broke this week

[hollow river]

How

[main blaze]

The pins

Its annoying in m+ right now

[solid venture]

it's annoying everywhere

the amount of times i open with sbs in raid

and just don't get my cp

its fucking infuriating

[hollow river]

Sounds like they fixed the bugs to me

[main blaze]

Well yeah just that in m+ you bank on charges resetting and such

It wasnt fixed this morning but I havent played in a few hours

[solid venture]

i just did sylv hc and sbs still wasn't getting charges back from small mobs in p2

[hollow river]

I meant that these changes were intended gameplay from the start

[solid venture]

blizzard pls fix my covenant I beg

[rapid flame]

gearing this patch feels so bad, being 2k behind other players on your roster with the same bosskills and whatnot

way to go blizzard

[solid venture]

doesn't feel bad if you loot all dom sockets and all shards 3 weeks into the tier, but i catch ur drift

[dull cloak]

just get better rng 4head

[main blaze]

Or you get 2 unholy, 2 blood, and 2 frost

so its like you are lucky but unlucky as well

[rapid flame]

i cleared the raid since week one, 2 frost, 1 unholy, 2 blood and no dom pieces, no sylv dagger D:

heck i even killed sylv normal on wednesday and didn't get the supposed 100% shard drop, all i got was a vantus recipe

[hollow river]

[solid venture]

i killed sylv 3x on normal and 2x on hc, not a single loot drop from her

[hollow river]

Dude even my rolls on loot have been like 15s

Feels worse than CN IMO

[strange python]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[hollow river]

Can people still trade u loot if u killed the boss on that difficulty already?

[main blaze]

Nope

[hollow river]

I’m assuming u can seeing as how many splits guilds do

Then what’s the point in all the splits in RWF

[main blaze]

10 alt druids and 1 main druid in a leather run

10 alt druids trade to the main

Then they repeat and do it with the second main druid

but with more alts

or viewers

[hollow river]

Ah okay

So only viable for those higher ranked guilds

Can u get loot off normal if I killed heroic?

[main blaze]

Yup

[hollow river]

Thought so

We did our normal reclear and I literally got gold all night

Well I got a 226 helm

To give away -_-

[heavy coral]

im free

[manic haven]

Any further verdict on the frost shard set?

[hollow river]

Afaik bad

Sim it

[wild beacon]

Fuck I'm only 1 away from activating the set, grats

[hollow river]

Unholy>blood>frost from what I hear

[hollow river]

Same

Can u activate the set with just 3 dom slots?

U don’t need the 1 frost/blood dps shards for it at all do u

[wild beacon]

As long as the helm is one of them

[hollow river]

Ye

Dope

I just need 1 more UH then

I have 3 pieces of gear. 2 UH and the blood dps shard

[prime totem]

Hey There! Quick question. Do you know of a Training Dummy that doesn't drop the SBS Dot before it Ticks? It Seems that the ones For Necrolords and the one in SW are dropping the Dot before it can tick.

[regal ledge]

Do I craft rank 4 doomblade or wait for Obedience and craft rank 4 of that

[hollow river]

Obedience if you’d like to raid and m+

Doomblade, depending on your gear, could be better in pure ST

[strange python]

for venthyr nadjia do you go with dauntless duelist or get the 3rd potency ?

[hollow river]

Have to sim yourself

[strange python]

ok thanks

[hollow river]

Orgrimmar dummies work 100%

Necrolord dummies should work too

But u have to go to the correct set of dummies

There’s healing dummies in Necro sanctum

[digital zodiac]

unhold bonus still the way to go ?

[hollow river]

Yes

[prime totem]

I am at the Necrolord dummies. But the only ones i've tested, that do not drop the dot of SBS are the ones for tanks all the others drop the dot.

[hollow river]

Idk they never dropped the dot for me

[prime totem]

Strange...

[solar willow]

hey guys!
Actually for a full ST build, use doomblade or obedience?

[hollow river]

Sim yourself

With less gear doomblade tends to pull ahead

Once u are 252 ilvl with full dom shards obedience barely pulls ahead

Check the sims in the pins

[solid venture]

Necrolord doomblade for early prog

[hollow river]

Imagine not betraying the boneybois

[solid venture]

Never have, never will

[rocky rain]

Is it worth holding CT single target if adds will spawn soon? How long do you hold for?

Also, does CT pandemic?

[lusty surge]

is there a way to sim bloodlust during execute instead of off the top?

CT does pandemic

[limber lion]

With advanced sim, yes

[brittle frigate]

For MM+ which leg still the best ?

[limber lion]

Zoldyck legs still best.

[limber lion]

Sure, but it really depends on a lot if things.

We pool on CT so that already gives some leeway

[brittle frigate]

Crit Mastery Haste Versa ? I sim my character but I thought that was haste first

[limber lion]

Too bad the bonerboys are a hot, buggy messy currently.

[limber lion]

Crit/Haste is a fine combo.

A lot of people prefer Crit/Mastery for m+

[rocky rain]

Ok ty.

Hey ceverion, do you stream btw?

[limber lion]

Not allowed to :(

I stream some random stuff sometimes, but can't stream prog

[gusty mirage]

[rocky rain]

That's a shame

I'm new to sin (or at least the last time I played it was wrath or so) so trying to watch as many streams as possible to get used to how you fellas move. Not having giga outlaw range is weird

I'm very bad at multi target fights so far

[cyan kite]

How do you guys open on two targets (the nine)?

[lean coral]

i do regular opener on one

once im out of shiv window i spread dots

i got griefed near the end so i only got a 98% on our first mythic kill T_T

[rocky rain]

Isnt it better to get dots up on both?

If dots are higher prio than shiv

[solid venture]

I got rank 3 on that fight but I get PI's

[cerulean nest]

so cloak doesnt prevent tarragrue stacks huh

[rocky rain]

When target switching, is it better to switch at full CPs for insta-finisher?

I've been trying to, but not sure if it matters

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter

Especially if the targets already have both bleeds on them

[rocky rain]

Ok fair

[wide ridge]

best 2 endurance conduits for raids are recuperator(snd) and the new one that heals you whenever you take damage?

or are you taking nimble fingers

[balmy condor]

preference

[solid venture]

I use Recup & vial/feint energy reduce

8 energy for vial is quite pog

[exotic brook]

if im max-1 cp and need to refresh garrote or can shiv, do i still use a finisher instead of either ability for max cp?

[solid venture]

Slam shiv on CD except if vendetta is about to come up afaik

[balmy condor]

^

if shiv is up, hit it

[wide ridge]

ideally you wanna pool for shiv right? but you still slam shiv even when low on energy, correct?

[exotic brook]

if shiv isnt up, should i garrote to max cp? or finish first?

[wide ridge]

yes garrote to max cp

[solid venture]

Garrote, then finish

[exotic brook]

thank you

[deft obsidian]

does obedience and doomblades do similar enough dmg that it is preference?

low gear on me also

[shut garnet]

somewhat according to late game sims

but you should probably sim them both and see what fits

[deft obsidian]

ye

[shut garnet]

realistically tho shouldnt be much different

[deft obsidian]

dont have both, can i still sim em?

[dusky walrus]

You can add them at the top of top gear

[viscid spear]

When I made Obedience (cloak) it already had the enchant from my Doomblade (cloak) but not the Engineer tinker, and they both use the same button on my action bar depending on which one I currently have equipped.

Is it because the vessel is the same item?

[worn monolith]

does SbS count as a bleed for Doomblade purposes?

[viscid spear]

Yes

[worn monolith]

that is awesome

[mortal crystal]

I consider myself a decent rogue, but I got absolutely destroyed on the damage meters tonight. I can't really parse the info to understand the difference between us, can anyone give a hand? The gap on my SnD is the intermission.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/934RYGWhkxmrdyac/934RYGWhkxmrdyac#fight=1,1&source=7,12&cutoff=1&type=summary

[short token]

guys on a fight like the nine, do we keep rupture up on both while focusing one?

how do we handle the single cleave add

[magic gale]

yesterday was simming for miniature ring from heroic, and for some reason sims were showing its 100 dps decrease, and my stats weights were saying i need crit and versa more than haste and crit, but then i simmed again today and now its completely different story and it would have been 180dps increase and stat weights were haste crit still, that was very wierd

[sullen inlet]

@mortal crystal I'm by no means an expert or anything, but just from that log alone, it looks like it could be attributed to a few things. First, it looks like they got in a bunch more mutilates, which means more combo points for more envenoms, which they got quite a few more in. Also, they have over 100 more melee attacks than you over the course of the fight, so it looks the biggest thing in this case is likely a boss uptime issue. You also seem to be running double sinful revelation, should prolly swap one of them out for a celestial guidance.

[red atlas]

is obedience now better than doomblade for ST?

[mortal crystal]

Had completely missed the enchant, thanks. Swapped to assassination for the new raid. I've zoomed in on the pull part with Time Warp active, and his melee hits are just hitting more, and harder. I don't get that part. We're on the boss an equal amount of time there.

[cedar star]

[magic gale]

@mortal crystal there is about 4% difference on your boss upkeep

you are at 85.65% and hes at 89.40%

[mortal crystal]

I wonder if that is me too cautious during the swirlies Sylvannas places on the ground.

[sullen inlet]

Sounds like a healer problem (kidding, kidding please don't do that)

[magic gale]

i think crimson tempest is better for sylvanas aswell

also you have really big difference with weapon item levels

ur missing chest enchant aswell

also really big difference of rupture and garrote upkeep

20% on both of them

bleeds allow you to gain more energy

[static glacier]

do we just used salvaged on cd?

or line it up with flag

[magic gale]

dont they share cd anyway

1½ mins

[upper wedge]

not with obedience

[kind talon]

thats probably not true

depending on how much p2 damage you are missing

sin should not be in that role tbh

much more important to nuke boss p1 / p3

[cedar star]

Agreed

[kind talon]

7% popularity in top 100 logs

reminds me of hidden blades on sire

its just pad

^^ that was sire

[magic gale]

ill come back to you in a sec

just need to double check

[kind talon]

kk

[magic gale]

so my reasoning for ct to be better for sylvie is

for single target the difference is 80 dps

[kind talon]

sure

[magic gale]

and you wont have 100 upkeep on sylvanas since she is jumping around

[kind talon]

uhhh

[magic gale]

so having crimson tempest on her while she is jumping around and you chase her

[strange python]

Deathly shadows swap worth it for sin or sub only? Brain says it's gotta be worth for sin but I don't see anyone doing it

[kind talon]

doesnt work anymore

[magic gale]

would give advantage to crimson over poisonbomb

[kind talon]

she only jump around once

which is the domination arrow cast

when she casts windrunner, her hitbox doesnt move

[magic gale]

also if you have to run away because of wailing arrow

[strange python]

Really? When did it get nerfed?

[magic gale]

yeah but she does domination arrow cast what like 3 times

[kind talon]

it just only works for sub as of this patch

[magic gale]

but you can pretty much always shadowstep to her

but still somedown time for bleeds

[kind talon]

so

the thing about CT

right

[strange python]

Why would it only work for sub

[kind talon]

ask blizzard

idk

[strange python]

Imean like what breaks for sin

[kind talon]

its just doesnt work

[strange python]

Does the buff not stay? Snd reset?

[kind talon]

i believe the buff disappears

[strange python]

Wild

Wonder if it's oversight or intentional.

[kind talon]

the thing is that it doesnt really make up

for the dmg u miss from PB

like, if ur running ct

actually using CT in single target over like an envenom

i believe is a minor dps increase

[magic gale]

the difference is 80 dps

on patchwerk

[kind talon]

but is it

enough dps

and enough "downtime"?

[magic gale]

i mean the difference is small enough to take it in my opinion

[kind talon]

CT is just more p2 damage and less boss damage

[magic gale]

for the p2 dmg aswell

[kind talon]

yeah its not trolling to take it

its just

less boss damage more p2 damage

if thats what u need then its fine

[magic gale]

i guess

[kind talon]

if u need to pump boss to meet tight dps checks during p2 when she is literally standing still

then PB makes more sense

[magic gale]

you do have the summoners aswell

in p2

but singletarget makes more sense to them aswell i guess

[kind talon]

well

in p2 CT is just better

for adds

cause there are 2 up at once

[solid venture]

Picking ct is just pad tbh, plenty of other classes who should be doing cleave dmg . P3 dmg is most important

[grizzled orbit]

When using Deeper as sin, what's the rule with CP/Finishers?

[magic gale]

fair enough

[kind talon]

always max -1

[viscid spear]

Does it really matter which socket I put each Shard in?

[thorny pond]

Just activate your bonus then no

[tardy steppe]

why is the 225 ring still 40k

runecarving

[mortal pike]

Is there like a chart somewhere of which classes benefit from PI the most

[magic gale]

yes there is

assa is 572 dps

[mortal pike]

Can you link the chart 😮

[magic gale]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/113kqcqy9ai37c8EBUJK-sWYciqQ9Tb7ctmCy_boDKdg/edit#gid=0

[mortal pike]

ty

[viscid spear]

Anyone else never get a PI despite there being a plethora of Priests in your group?

[magic gale]

i used to but then they made venthyr boomkin and now the rl is obsessed on giving it to them

[viscid spear]

It's always the dual Fury Warriors in my guild

[main wharf]

always the warlocks that fall off horribly after opener get PI

[viscid spear]

Hey if you only look at the first 30 seconds it's pretty impressive

[quasi scroll]

Is Dungeon Slice good now?

[granite sail]

I'm thinking about returning to my wow project after hearing the recent news...

So what do you guys think of having a poison talent that gives mana to enemies but does extra DPS if target uses mana?

I ask cause I'm not a master of every class/spec but I'm going to go through them all with my added ideas...

[quasi scroll]

so then if you interrupt a cast you lower your own dps?

since they're not "using" mana?

[granite sail]

Yes but there could be room for improvement...I figured it'd rely on timing

[kind talon]

?????

Lmao wtf

Giving pi to fury

Yikes

[granite sail]

My history in wow consists of mostly PvP... But I dropped out awhile back

[thorny pond]

As opposed to the non dual wielding fury

[kind talon]

Sin is Poggers for pi

[thorny pond]

Yea sin is p nice

[kind talon]

I believe he meant there are 2 fury warriors who both get pi

Which is worse

[thorny pond]

My priest fucked me on eye though. Gave me PI and NF cd redux

[kind talon]

Unethical logs bro

[thorny pond]

So my vend and flag were off

[kind talon]

Ohhh

[thorny pond]

I was like “do I suck this bad?”

Then I checked the logs

And yea I do

But also that

Clown, how come your discord always thinks you’re playing Google Chrome?

[clever cargo]

Should i craft obe on cloak with haste/crit?

[thorny pond]

Are you a sin only boy?

[clever cargo]

Yea!

[thorny pond]

Then yea if you don’t go with doomblade

[clever cargo]

got it! thanks

[viscid spear]

I'll post a log after we're done here, Skada doesn't give me an option to display who had PI, just who cast it.

Got the Heroic axe from The Nine.

[plain thistle]

skada

[viscid spear]

I don't use it much

4 Priests though, 2 Holy and Shadow, never get PI

[tribal marlin]

Wierd that so much assa rogues get PI these days

[solar willow]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[tribal marlin]

It's good sure, but like there are really better targets xD

[regal pelican]

Can anyone confirm if the trinket 'Tormented Rack Fragment' sims as if you never kill anything and get the bonus crit?

[viscid spear]

Show me one, lol

[void pecan]

How do we play this NS bullshit for M+

mfd CT opener?

[timid talon]

huh?

[wintry mica]

what opener do yall use if you are running CT on fatecsribe?

or better question when do you CT

[zinc frost]

I usually CT before going into shiv, vanish, envenom opening, use CT when boss and add get pulled together, use it again the smaller adds come out etc. pretty much I treat it as an extra bleed and just not using it in shiv windows. Dunno if it’s correct but feels like decent usage to me.

[viscid spear]

Here was one of our Holy Priests' PI targets for our Heroic Eye kill.
The Boomkin is Night Fae.

The other Holy Priest only cast it twice, once on that same Warrior and the other on herself, and both Shadow Priests only cast it on themselves obviously.

[cobalt pelican]

you shouldn't really ever expect pi unless you raid with no real classes

and in hc guilds prolly just give it to whoever asks

[viscid spear]

Yeah but how do you get 4 PIs over the course of a fight and only do 4.7k?

I thought I was doing bad being the top dps with 5.1k

[loud brook]

we're progressing on heroic KT tonight and have little to no experience of the nuances of crimson tempest. Do I hold a crimson tempest refresh during a shiv window and pump more envenoms for both single target and cleave? How often should I be looking to refresh crimson tempest if I were in a pure single target situation like dealing with the remnant?

[plain thistle]

use poison bomb

CT for ST you refresh outside shiv

[sterile ocean]

Question when should i vanish in my rotation?

[loud brook]

alright

[sterile ocean]

havent played assassin in a bit so curious 😛

[stone gate]

What piece should I put obedience on?

[pure bloom]

[stone gate]

Ah ye u right I should do that

btw whats the armor set even called for rogue?

[narrow ravine]

so dumb question, the dungeon slice talents suggested for us on herodamage for m+ always suggest nightstalker, but I must be missing why. doesn't this only affect the first attack from stealth? or does it synergy with something I am not seeing.

[loud brook]

oops, replied to the wrong person

[plain thistle]

mfd > ct opener

thats the "build" with NS

[narrow ravine]

so always open with CT, does 50% more damage for the full duration? I assume it doesn't snapshot that

[plain thistle]

it does

[narrow ravine]

I assume soon as you refresh CT it is back to normal, doesnt keep that 50% bonus damage rolling

so just let it fall off and not pandemic?

[west geode]

Zed can proc off crimson vial right?

[plain thistle]

yes, but you get bonus damage for your first CT

[narrow ravine]

thanks

[halcyon tapir]

I tried mfd+NS in a 15 necrotic wake fortified, felt really weak compared to subterfuge vigor, overal was a lot lower, might be good if mobs die within 10 seconds

[pearl pulsar]

hey guys, wondering if my dps is in line with where it should be, feel like I'm a bit behind. I'm ilvl 225, obedience leggo and just did 5.1k on heroic guardian (so food, flask, augment, and party buffs). does that sound about right? raidbots has my dps at 6.2k so I'm not sure how close to that I should be

[timid cloud]

That sounds a bit low, even for 225.

[halcyon tapir]

Sim is representative of best case scenario with no mechanics. So factoring rng and lack of uptime

[timid cloud]

Sims / logs?

[halcyon tapir]

I personally aim for 10% less than what i sim for, so approx 5.5 in your cass

But im a purple parseing pleb so take that with a grain of salt

[timid cloud]

But Heroic Guardian is kinda close to Patchwork as you can get really.

Besides Nerzhul.

[halcyon tapir]

Sims run your dps thousands of times and reports best case scenario, procs crits etc so its not a real representation, thats why i minus 10%

[civic trellis]

No

It actually reports your average dps, not the best case scenario

[pearl pulsar]

I see, I might be doing the rotation a bit wrong then to be off by as much as I am

[halcyon tapir]

Well i stand corrected! Thanks

[timid cloud]

We can help you if you show us logs & sims. @pearl pulsar

[civic trellis]

In patcherk bosses you should aim to what you sim

[timid cloud]

^

[civic trellis]

Guardian is a good example, nerzhul isnt

[halcyon tapir]

Oof, i need to up my game then, thanks for the clarification

[timid cloud]

Depends on dispels but you can normally get 100% uptime on him. I guess the small orbs can count as an add or cleave.

With energy return.

[civic trellis]

Yeah, and sometimes you get out of range dodging silences

[pearl pulsar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rTMaSpdCJiVAUT4qzg3nqm

upgraded my dagger a bit so now it's ~6.3k dps

[timid cloud]

Mmmmm there’s always a gap / delayed pattern I feel. But I guess yeah unlucky. Or save cloak like I do & just 100% greed.

[civic trellis]

Blindside with vigor? 😛

[timid cloud]

Talents are important here.

[civic trellis]

Yeah i know, the cloack thing is good tho but i use it to dispell myself

[timid cloud]

Subterfuge is more used on a 2 target fight or in M+ it’s very situational.

[civic trellis]

Because healers usually sleep 😄

[timid cloud]

Lol

Lol true healers asleep at the wheel.

[civic trellis]

Also, you have windfury totem up

you should turn that off unless there is an enh shamy in your raid

[bold jetty]

I see some ppl are syncing vendetta with flagellation everytime with doomblade and some ppl are using flag on cd how do we play now

[civic trellis]

We sync flag to vendetta if syncing wont make you lose a use of flag

[timid cloud]

You flag on CD if you know you’re not gonna get another cast off.

[bold jetty]

So big brain time you must know how long fight is 👍

[pearl pulsar]

running now with windfury off

[civic trellis]

Exactly

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[civic trellis]

You need progress on that fight

[pearl pulsar]

also I generally don't sync flag with vendetta, that's good to know

so it seems most people run master assassin + deeper stratagem for raiding?

uh, whoops

[civic trellis]

Ep + vigor

It feels better, just that

you can play bs / vigor or bs / ds

whatever you like

[timid cloud]

If you know the fight will be gigga long I'd suggest Blindside & Deeper Strat.

[halcyon tapir]

Is it possible to see highest/lowest dps for a sim?

[civic trellis]

Yes

You have to navigate through the html report

[halcyon tapir]

Ohhhh mate, thanks heaps for that, sorry to add bad info to the disc

[pearl pulsar]

so icy veins has blindside, master ass, deeper strat for every fight, hmm

[civic trellis]

Yeah, ep/vigor combo is taken because it feels more "smooth" to play

More button spam

@balmy condor do you know if not using shiv at max cp (i.e using envenom then shiv) is a dps loss?

I thought it would be but my sims arent showing a loss

nor a gain

[jovial horizon]

opener with vigor feels so much better to me

[civic trellis]

neutral

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s neutral

You shiv regardless

Just on cooldown

All the time

I’ve looked into shiv like 1000 times

[jovial horizon]

slam it brother

[balmy condor]

Can’t find anything

[civic trellis]

i mean its because the easy mode

right

i mean for some ppl it feels bad to shiv at max cp so using shiv after an envenom isnt bad and makes you feel better 😄

bad/ a bit weird

[spice spire]

It helped me find you though

[tribal marlin]

It's also a better combination any time you gotta move out from melee range often enough

Simply because you have more time before reaching max energy

[civic trellis]

Yeah i know, i stopped saying that because ppl told me that was subjective 😄

[tribal marlin]

And also EP is better any time there is any additionnal target coming in

Thing with shiv is that, even if you would find a way to make it always pop at high CP without ever delaying it nor breaking anything

which I doubt you can, but let's say it exists a way, what exactly would you gain

[stone gate]

What's the name of the cloak I need for legendaries

[zinc frost]

Grim-veiled cape?

[stone gate]

Ic ty

[balmy condor]

private log

[scarlet warren]

does zoldyck's buff to poisons and bleeds affect the bonespike bleed?

[fallen arch]

Yes

[deft obsidian]

why are we using cloak for lego?

[wide kindle]

Dom sockets in other slots

[deft obsidian]

easy answer :)

[void pecan]

220 gloves from rep vendor was 1% upgrade because of gem..

Neat.

[uncut cairn]

so as a venthyr who loves raiding, should I use obedience for a leggo?

and keep my 235 doomblade for M+ or do I still use obedience?

[fiery mauve]

both are good

doomblade in m+ is no good

[void pecan]

Just use obedience for all content

easy.

[random comet]

i crafted a obedience cloak ilvl262 for raid earlier: Shit slaps yo.
then did a DOS m+ (16): shit slaps yo

obedience is very good, even if they gutted it before release

[uncut cairn]

sweet, basically just obedience everywhere. Thanks!

missives haste/crit right?

for single-target at least

[random comet]

wowhead guide said crit/vers, so thats what i made

[uncut cairn]

interesting, I've heard vers is meh everywhere

[crystal blaze]

Vers/crit vs Crit/haste is 7 dps difference for me

i crafted it in crit/haste because i tought i'll only play assa this tier, now i play sub

[uncut cairn]

ohhh, it's because of obedience's vers buff I'll bet

[crystal blaze]

it's mainly because this is the play for sub and outlaw too and crit/vers is fine for almost all 3 specs

[uncut cairn]

I'm new and am focusing on fully learning assassin before I try out outlaw and sub

[limber monolith]

Hi all, Bloodmallet is showing that Frost Shard of Domination combination is better than the Unholdy Shard of Domination set at higher upgrade levels for Assassination. Is that true?

[balmy condor]

they're close

[fossil kiln]

anyone running deeper strat/blindside find that their opener is clunky and energy starved?

[crystal blaze]

Just use vendetta before you garrote, it's a bit more fluid

[fossil kiln]

so mut snd mut vendetta garrote?

[crystal blaze]

mut > snd > mut > vendetta >garrote > rupture > fla

[balmy condor]

should be noted, vendetta there is a dps loss

but if it saves your mental

go for it I guess

[crystal blaze]

just play ep/vigor honestly

[fathom flax]

This

Hey venthyr port is faster than running right

I’m not just imagining this

[crystal blaze]

yup, but it just feels weird idk x)

[fathom flax]

ikr

[crystal blaze]

casting a spell as rogue

feelsbadman

poisons are enought

[fathom flax]

Flag is a good ability, DoS is super super niche and ember court is so lame

Yay covenants

[kind veldt]

@fossil kiln what race are you? I’m Belf, been opening mut - snd - mut - arcane torrent - gar - ven - flag - rupture, but it does feel a littttleeeeee Sus but typically after getting 5stacks of alac up, Bs+DS feels good, especially with huge envs

[hollow river]

Flag before rupture as well, usually.

[crystal blaze]

Yup, that's a mistake my bad

[fossil kiln]

yeah im belf. maybe ill try that

i just feel like my opener is so bad and i usually catch up to people later in the fight but not having buttons to press in the opener feels bad

[fallen arch]

Try ep/vigor

Might make you feel better

But ye we don’t blast the first few seconds, we blast the entire encounter

[gentle gyro]

i like to use it for high tyra keys because the bosses live so long

[gentle gyro]

is it actually better to just wait for the energy to garrote?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gentle gyro]

or pray for an early blindside proc

[balmy condor]

You vendetta after rupture

[fallen arch]

Still almost always better to run Zoldyck, just saying

[gentle gyro]

ik, it's just a personal thing

[gentle gyro]

i know the normal opener, was just wondering because at first i thought i was doing something wrong

[balmy condor]

Yeh that normal opener is optimized

People just mongo slam vendetta because “muh energy”

[gentle gyro]

remember, vendetta before flag

[sterile chasm]

Why do I sim so low

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3rqvJKURnNGqj5521L8DWV

[gentle gyro]

don't do this actually

[fallen arch]

You dont?

[balmy condor]

I’m on mobile but I’m gonna say no set bonus?

No dps gems?

[fallen arch]

But probably the unholy set is missing

[sterile chasm]

Ye i dint het Helmut yet

[fallen arch]

There you go

[sterile chasm]

How much IT Givenchy?

Give

Fucking t1

[balmy condor]

I went from 7700 to 8700

[fallen arch]

It will give like 600-1000 dps

[sterile chasm]

Lel

GIB ME HELMET

[fallen arch]

Based on what lvl u can upgrade em to

[gentle gyro]

oof

[fallen arch]

Pretty big

[gentle gyro]

9k dps incoming if i get a fuckin 3rd shard

[sterile chasm]

Should i Upgrade first unholy shards?

How IT work

[gentle gyro]

upgrade them equally

like, the unholy ones

[balmy condor]

Set bonus works based on the lowest level of gem in the set

[gentle gyro]

set always considers your lowest socketed gem

[sterile chasm]

If i have 4 gems

And last one is frost

[gentle gyro]

yeah but only 3 are unholy

[sterile chasm]

IT count?

[gentle gyro]

you only get a set if you socket threee of the same kind

[balmy condor]

You need 3 of the same type

[sterile chasm]

I know

3 of them are unholy one is frost

[balmy condor]

Okay

[sterile chasm]

Should i first upgrade 3 x unholy

[balmy condor]

Yes

[sterile chasm]

And later frost?

Ok i get this

[balmy condor]

You should upgrade the set bonus first

That’s the biggest gain

[sterile chasm]

I feel hyped for helmet

[gentle gyro]

aka, don't be me

[grim jay]

@balmy condor did you get a weapon already?

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

I have not, valoring a mainhand this weekend

[limber lion]

Just don't hype yourself up too much

[grim jay]

Same. Most guildies got their hc raidweapon or 252 one already😫 😁

[limber lion]

Some got both

[grim jay]

Never lucky I guess😋

[sterile chasm]

Should we swap to obiedience or stay with doomblade?

[limber lion]

Sim it

[balmy condor]

Both are fine

[silent fossil]

obe more versatile

[misty holly]

I'm playing with rank 3 Frost set bonus right now because no domination helm drop yet. It does 200-300dps.

Sounds like Unholy is A LOT more.

[limber lion]

Well, not really

Doomblade allows you to play other covenants as well :')

[rough olive]

Hi, may I know what's the general rotation for a group of adds in a m+ setting? Assuming subterfuge, garrote on 3 adds, fan of knives and get ruptures on the adds (even if it's not full CP) then maintain crimson tempest?

[silent fossil]

i'd play boner boy again if it wasn't bugged / i cared about m+ more since i like assass necro

[misty holly]

I wonder why Bloodmallet shows Frost and Unholy as roughly equal.

[limber lion]

Pretty much. Just maintain SnD with Envenom, maintain CT, use garrote on cooldown and apply ruptures to as many targets as possible.

[limber lion]

It's with giga bis items

So a lot more stats and whatnot

[misty holly]

Ahh lots more crit makes for better frost uptime

that makes sense

[limber lion]

Yes definitely

[rough olive]

Thanks!

[fallow otter]

Full set upgraded is big dmg bump, can recommend

Upgraded for the amount we have

Im goin to call it 4U 2F 2B for short hand for where my upgrade currently is

[blissful forge]

Good Morning Guys! I wanted to ask if there is a Guide for Domination Sockets because i dont understand a shit about those sockets, idk if i pick frost sockets aswell when i dont have the gear that they sim with etc.

[balmy condor]

3 sets, frost blood unholy. Unholy set is the best, get a helmet from raid to enable that. Needs 3 unholy gems. All colors/elements of gems have 3 gems. 1 per color is dps, the other 2 are worthless healing/utility ones. (Unholy has like 1.5 dps ones). You get embers from killing things in the raid, gem + ember = level up. Set bonuses are based on the lowest level of the 3 gems. That means you want to level your unholy gems evenly to 5, and then level your blood dps gem, and your frost dps gem

Usually I suggest taking your blood/frost gems to level 3, since that’s super cheap

And then finishing unholy set 5

[blissful forge]

ok easy

[balmy condor]

And then going back to the dps ones to 5

[blissful forge]

thanks alot m8

[balmy condor]

Np

Also the set bonus isn’t active in m+

[blissful forge]

ye obv. 😄

[balmy condor]

So make sure you have replacement gear for those slots since they probably won’t be optimal given theres only 3 gems

[fallow otter]

Im 4U 2F 2B, you reckon go 3F 3B before 5U...hmm I was thinking for 5U next

[soft shale]

yea for m+

3 dmg ones then two of the frost utility ones

they are lit

shields for days

or well only the stacking shield if you want as zed also does some damagee

[shadow helm]

bro

i ahve full blood shards

what is this game

[fallow otter]

It's v good for st

[soft shale]

yea blood bonus and frost bonus are lowkey great for the raid

a lot of defensive value

[daring imp]

Dose shard of cor sim right? keeps saying its a dps lose when all i do is put the gem into the dom socket item

[soft shale]

that is weird are you sure its not breaking the set or something

[daring imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dxxqrfUuZ7ScTyUu15fZV7 i might just be doing something wrong not sure

my x3 blood gems sim higher anyway bc of socket bonus but was just weird seeing the thing i linked is all to me

[velvet nacelle]

i'm mad you guys are choosing between gems already

i don't even have 2 of the same type yet heh

[soft shale]

i have all of them now

my only woe is not getting any of the good dom socket gear

running 2 normal and even then they are the bad ones

[velvet nacelle]

i think i have 3 sockets

def have 2

[soft shale]

also the 220 gloves

oof

[velvet nacelle]

i've had terrible drop luck so far

keep getting backs

[glass grotto]

Did Blizz say anything about the SBS bug yet lol ?

[fallen arch]

It's hella annoying yes

Keep sending em bug reports pls

[velvet nacelle]

theoretically, there should be 2 muts between most finishers but, somehow, with a 30% crit, whenever i run ds and have shiv up i only get 2cp per mut

it makes me quite sad

i prefer the idea of DS but in practice it just never works out for me

[inland heath]

may i ask how the hell you guys play assa this week?

i want to kill myself

[velvet nacelle]

in m+?

[limber lion]

The same as every week

lol

[velvet nacelle]

i mean i hate spiteful

so i try to position away from where they land until i know they aren't on me

definitely take a little dps hit but it's not the end of the world

[inland heath]

you clearly just raid so i will ignore you

[velvet nacelle]

you're being condescending for being the one that asked a question as vague as you did

[inland heath]

yea but the reply is very stupid so i dont give a crap

[soft shale]

to be honest i quite enjoy top this season

you get big powers to kill the bosses

[velvet nacelle]

top = theater?

[soft shale]

yes

im living there after getting phial + dagger from plaguefall

want the rings and pants