assassination

[graceful mirage]

mood

i don't get why you would make the gems drop only

you should at least be able to buy them with the new raid resource

[limber lion]

Or at least tradeable or something.

Oh well

Yes, it's insane.

DOS is a good one, it has 2 really good trinket drops.

[timid coral]

can sim droptimizer to check what dungeons have biggest upgrades

[harsh anchor]

Nothing better than a passive trinket that slams every patch

[placid cobalt]

whats the story with fusion amplifier? bloodmallet shows it bis for assa now but herodamage doesnt, anyone knows?

[graceful mirage]

wouldn't be wow without one

[harsh anchor]

That’s the arcane damage on hit trinket right

[graceful mirage]

at least this one scales with the content

[warped temple]

@limber lion hope youre well cev 🙂

[placid cobalt]

yup thats the one

it was kinda bad last i checked

[harsh anchor]

Uh idk. I know it’s good for outlaw. Figure it might be the gear set they use in their sims? Idk

[limber lion]

Bloodmallet was updated today, Herodamage hasn't been updated yet. The trinket got buffed recently.

[graceful mirage]

i mean, shadowgrasp totem was also considered bad once

[harsh anchor]

Oh pog

[placid cobalt]

oh okay

just wanted to make sure it was correct

killing that boss on hc farm tonight, maybe i get lucky 😄

[harsh anchor]

But shadowgrasp gets better with more haste, right?

[limber lion]

Thanks Ryfie! I'm doing well, been camping quite a bit recently and now I'm just hardcore raiding every day. Been busy. :P

Hope you're doing great as well mate!

How's the m+ push? :p

[warped temple]

awww man that sounds amazing!! glad to hear! im good, pushin is okay, mostly testing still. going to be doing some sin keys over the weekend. But im a zoldyck gamer. No soul ash left for obedience haha

[graceful mirage]

wow, there are a LOT of people simming rn

[halcyon zealot]

not having premium

[graceful mirage]

i'd buy premium if i was a bit more into wow atm

[cinder cedar]

Would anyone be willing to look at some of my logs from last night? It was my first night raiding sin and I wasn't very happy with my numbers overall. I'd like to get some insight if anyone's willing to provide it

[limber lion]

I'm honestly too fond of SBS. Just swapped back to Necro today. Flag is fine, but SBS is just too good to pass up hah

[vestal wren]

you can still run it local

[graceful mirage]

eh i can wait

[copper sundial]

ryfie hope to see you stream some of those sin keys 🙂

[warped temple]

10000000000% agree with you. I prefer necro sin too. 😭😭😭

[graceful mirage]

im just surprised that many people randomly simming on a thursday

[scenic root]

It's everyday

[bright turret]

Pretty much every fight this tier has adds of some kind

Necro ass will be dank

Tried obedience and did not like in the slightest

[graceful mirage]

i normally get like 400 peep queues at most

[vestal wren]

how to run local:
#1 download: http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/nightly/
#2 configure your sim on raidbots
#3 download the imput (see picture)
#4 paste in simc and click "simulate!"

[scenic root]

Have had 1k+ queues all week

[vestal wren]

mythic just opened

so expected

[graceful mirage]

true

[harsh anchor]

bis to build a powerhouse pc just for local simming

[graceful mirage]

bis is to use your brain to calculate sims mentally smh my head

[spice spire]

Even with powerhouse, local simming is

[graceful mirage]

yeah i'll just wait for the queues

[scenic root]

Oh I'm not complaining, just giving anecdotal information 😭

[narrow ravine]

I also enjoy the ranged opener aspects of it

[harsh anchor]

Convert your Bitcoin mining warehouse into a giga sim factory

[graceful mirage]

might actually bite the bullet and buy premium for meself

[graceful mirage]

true stonks

[harsh anchor]

It’s only like 3 bucks a month for the basic version

Very worth it if you sim fairly often

[graceful mirage]

yeah but even if its little, if im not simming that often its not worth it

if this was 5 year ago me, i'd have the max sub

but since im not that really into hc progression anymore, its just eh.

[inner temple]

do you assassin in keys / what do you average in like mists / HOA? i really prefer necro as well but super struggling to match my damage as venthyr sub in dungeons and im thinking about going back just so i can play well as both.

[gleaming jackal]

is it worth saving flag for vendetta or just using it whenever?

[warped temple]

you should do 8-10k overall as sin this week

[empty tangle]

Can you go from 1-48 renown in a week? or is there a gate? Just swapped ven and want ven lego

[tired vessel]

Yes

[empty tangle]

tyty

[tired vessel]

Hit that shit on CD

[inner temple]

not meaning this to come across assholey.... "no i shouldnt / thats not what i was asking" im not even 226 atm, didnt main rogue last tier lol, mostly 213 gear still but its coming along :).

@warped temple actually kinda curious now, looking at warcraft logs, top keys / ass rogue seem to be floating around 6-7k. any reason for your higher numbers?

[raven vapor]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[warped temple]

6-7k? that seems really low for hoa/mist, esp on fortified.

[inner temple]

context

hmm

that could be it, since its over the past two weeks tyranical would skew

so sub numbers seem low to me as well, i wonder if its just calculating differently than details does or something

[warped temple]

yeah idk. i dont really know of anyone who logs m+ dps haha

[inner temple]

thought def crossed my mind too lol

i guess people that just have auto logging turned on?

[odd heath]

It does

[limber lion]

Yeh, Ryfie is the man. You should refer to him about anything m+ related, he's a god

[inner temple]

any details you can pass there?

[odd heath]

Open the log and mouseover the active % near dps

Warcraftlogs does damage divided by full dungeon time

Details is only active time

[inner temple]

that right thar

tyvm lol

[odd heath]

;)

[pseudo hamlet]

Do we know why we have Vers/Crit instead of Haste/Crit on the Obedience cloak in the sims?

[inner temple]

margin of error dont give a fuck? (totally guessing)

[strange python]

for some reason, my doom blade is simming better than obedience cloak by 1.1% https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jmETcovgphWWPQ5cMMitcV

[limber lion]

Doomblade is better than Obedience for Assassination

It got nerfed pretty hard.

Still bis for Sub

[inner temple]

equipslot weighting too for you ezk, shoulders > cloak

[strange python]

i see, so I just need to recraft doomblade yeah?

[inner temple]

once you get a domslot in shoulders i would

[strange python]

only got a 226 shoulders to replace it tho

[inner temple]

prob fine to just wait then, see what the difference would be and if its not crazy, just sit tight for now then

[strange python]

thanks guys!

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qHD9hFnPdcUajfh9X5pUfN unholy set is so huge

[lethal zodiac]

ok maybe this is a super stupid question or i missed it in the guide, but can we use sharpening stones + poinsions?

[inner temple]

yeah

[limber lion]

Yeh it's massive. I just got it today myself as well

[narrow ravine]

how are you guys finding domination shards, cause I am getting shit and mostly blood frost

[strange python]

rng

[narrow ravine]

ive yet to see an unholy

[tired vessel]

Got hella shards. 1 piece of gear with a sockey d though. Whomp.

[inner temple]

think ive seen one of each / only have two sockets still

[halcyon zealot]

a bit late to this convo but warcraft logs and details will have different values for overall damage done

warcraft logs takes your overall dmg from the time you start the key including out of combat time, details does not

[inner temple]

yeah we figured it out damage divisors being different whacks it all out 🙂

yepyep

[spice spire]

Unsure if this was answered. It’s because obedience sims are assuming you’re multispeccing.
Vers crit very good for sub and still pretty good for sin

[alpine latch]

So, do we know if it's been tested about holding CDs for Unholy set procs?

[pseudo hamlet]

Oh okay. Thanks for the answer. So if I don't play other spec- Haste/Crit is it?

[dim temple]

@limber lion how much dps diff do u do neco and vent as u been both right?

[narrow ravine]

necrolord question on SBS, is it more beneficial to use all 3 charges fast for combo points or wait and just reuse it before it caps charges

[spice spire]

More than likely yeah

[plain thistle]

for st? you use 1 on pull and dump every charge on gemstone window

[velvet falcon]

Friends do i sync vendeta with venthyr ?

or just pop on cd

[limber lion]

It's around 100 for single, but Necro wins in aoe. Even slight ones.

Here's my sim comparing the two

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rG7sjT6jA7eJmfZuWFvQgr

[dusky karma]

i'm looking at the post history... has anybody simmed Sub vs. Sin at 226/239 ilvl with the exact same gear? there is a word that rings clear here that sub needs everything bis to kind of "lock" into place... minimum offhand sylvanas dagger

[dim temple]

Thank you.. i really thinking going back to neco 🙂

[dusky karma]

you can't just look at full mythic ilvl sims and say yeah I can do that dps RIGHT now

[fallen arch]

Atm I’m running circles around our sub rogue equally geared

But that might also be a skill thing idk, we sim about similar

[halcyon zealot]

bro cev you got unholy set already wtf man

[dusky karma]

sub takes more brain power + exactly specific pieces

[fallen arch]

Says who

[dusky karma]

I'm just a nobody so don't care about anything I type

[plain thistle]

mythic MH and sylv off hand, that almost illegal

just 1.2k sim dps more than me

[dim temple]

but u are neco now?

[winged basin]

If that’s what I have to look forward to it If I get fatescribe helm Sunday, sign me tf up

[pure moth]

👀

[inland grove]

How’s assassination been doing over outlaw and sub in mythic plus so far?

[limber lion]

Yes currently

[narrow ravine]

can we get dom shards from lfr?

[limber lion]

Assa is slightly underperforming in m+ when compared to the two

[limber lion]

Yes

[narrow ravine]

guess I have to go do that now... sigh

[inner temple]

thought process just "minimal loss on single target, big gains on AOE" for your swap to necro?

[ebon bramble]

i feel like with obedience, they are decent now...but ya, still behind outlaw. not sure if they are on par with sub?

i have seen some assassination rogues in the top runs. pretty insane

[strange python]

sub m+

[harsh anchor]

Be good and sin is good

[inner temple]

shit pumps XD

[ebon bramble]

sub is really good in m+...

on par with outlaw

assassination i feel like can be good. just no aoe burst

[halcyon zealot]

you only get 1 chance per boss per week regardless of difficulty, if you killed a boss on heroic or normal. there’s no point to lfr

[ebon bramble]

well obedience maybe haha

[inner temple]

i would say its easier to perform better as sub than outlaw in M+ tbh

[ebon bramble]

100%! i thought the same

[limber lion]

I initially went Venth so I can play both Sub and Sin, but with Obedience nerfs I'm more inclined to just stick to Necro

I much more prefer it personally.

[ebon bramble]

sub is sooo much easier to perform well in m+ for me. outlaw is so hectic at times lol

[lavish isle]

so we dont craft anymore obedience on sin?

[ebon bramble]

we do

its good for all parts of the game.

and all types of fights

[lavish isle]

.

[ebon bramble]

not just single target

but doomblade for pure ST prob still best

[inner temple]

im in the same boat but i apparently suck at M+ assassination so im thinking of going back again again lol

[ebon bramble]

BETRAYER

[limber lion]

It's a really good overall legendary for most things, it slaps in m+ for example

But Doomblade is slightly better for st.

[inner temple]

dude, i have betrayed every single covenant trying to find where i like ath this point, shits rough lol

[limber lion]

That's fair enough :P

[lavish isle]

i undestrand

[ebon bramble]

LOL

theyre going ot be like

"you again, who you backstabbing now?!"

"oh gawds, its him again" when you enter the room

goes to necro and like "ugh here do these bye"

[inner temple]

at this point i hope i show up on ion's covenant charts as "man that guy has it rough, lets give him a dagger in his vault"

[astral plover]

can any help me with my logs here

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HCJGcP3rLqhzxym2#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=25

i dunno what im doiun wrong

[inner temple]

been kyrian & NF and venthyr & necro twice now, if i swap again i'll be venthyr for the 3rd time lol

[slow marsh]

Tbh I might go back necro

[safe barn]

necro is funnier too

[dull osprey]

Why is sub so high in the m+ rankings? (Forgive my ignorance)

[inner temple]

def a necro fan but sub in keys is hax at this point, SS>blackpowder spam is to easy lol

[dull osprey]

Oh

Speak if the devil

[inner temple]

haha yeah

[safe barn]

bigger pulls and ss>bp got buffed

[narrow ravine]

thanks

[safe barn]

its not as simple as that

but its a start

[thorn sierra]

Is there a dr on crit? I’m at 43

[narrow ravine]

MOAR!

[inner temple]

i mean that is pretty much it, BP slaps and your can scale out to 8 targets

[placid dawn]

what would you say is better for ST in guardians as necro, sin with doomblade or sub with finality?

[ancient rain]

sin with doomblade of course

[worldly oar]

is it worth crafting zoldak leg on feet or is it always legs?

[placid dawn]

cant be feet cause of the domination sockets

[worldly oar]

ah gotcha

makes sense

ty <3

[rigid pecan]

yo why when u doing quests and open world things as assassination rogue its so easy to die? my ilvl is 210 i just swapped to assa today and it's kinda hard to keep my health high

[worldly oar]

dont overpull, use evasion, cloak, faint when need to

also this might help u alot to survive

[rigid pecan]

hmmmm okay i'll try it

[worldly oar]

pop crimson potion also

[rigid pecan]

thanks mate

[worldly oar]

youre welcome ^^

[rigid pecan]

and one more thing, a friend told me to swap to necrolord covenant, is it good for sin?

[thorn sierra]

Best trinket besides phial for ST? Right now I have fusion amp, ocular, or shadowgrasp

[rigid pecan]

that it was better for sin than venthyr

[worldly oar]

its preference imo cov im venth atm

but im going back to necro cause i play outlaw also

[thorn sierra]

Necro is better in 2-3 targets , venthyr wins by a little in ST

[worldly oar]

flang is nice for sin

[rigid pecan]

hmmmm okayy

thanks guys, fr

this discord is super cool people always help each other lol

[worldly oar]

we all learn

[gloomy rose]

hows the kelthuzad trinket (relic of the frozen wastes)? I probably wont have time to sim it during raid and I can trade

[halcyon zealot]

you can sim it now in a gear compare

but i think it’s ok

somewhere in our top 5?

cuz of ilvl

[gloomy rose]

oh right, will do, thanks

[cerulean nest]

so why do ppl run doomblade in TOP?

[halcyon zealot]

ST heavy dungeon with lots of 3 target mob packs

you can still play zold just fine tho, i think i did like 8.2 or something in a 15 top last week with zold

nothing crazy but not bad damage

[chilly viper]

When you're in shiv window, do you just focus on dropping evenom as much possible or you still refresh dots

[rustic stump]

Is it worth it to get off a <4 CP Envenom during the Shiv timing or should I wait

[rustic stump]

Dropping Envenom, dots should be refreshed outside of the window

[plain thistle]

no, if you need to refresh during shiv you refresh

[halcyon zealot]

yeah if you need to refresh you refresh BUT ideally you wouldn’t have to refresh in shiv

[plain thistle]

the rules dont change inside shiv window, you still finish at max -1

[rustic stump]

Thx

[chilly viper]

and do you guys try to pool energy before shiv or not really

[rustic stump]

I think you ideally want 100+ right

[plain thistle]

yes, you prepare for shiv as much as possible

[chilly viper]

alright alright just making sure, sometimes these smaller details can get you a lot of dps

Is there other rule of thumb like that I should know?

[hallow spear]

What happens if you solo cloak the chains on eye? has anyone tested it?

[dim ledge]

Anyone used shadowgrasp before?

its as easy as using it on cd when boss isnt going to move out ?

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's pretty simple

And I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that the range is 100 yards 50 yards.

So it's pretty safe

[muted ridge]

yo is this cloakable? anyone tested?

[chilly viper]

is this from the nine @muted ridge

[muted ridge]

Eye

chains

[chilly viper]

oh

[dim ledge]

thanks cev!

[limber lion]

No worries :P

[hallow spear]

What I just asked too :p

I had it on me and cloaked and didnt get the chain

but people stacked in it and did.

[hallow spear]

Just got to test it~ It recasts a few seconds later back on you.

[muted ridge]

so you cant avoid it

[hallow spear]

No, just delays it.

[muted ridge]

unluk

but thank you

[cyan kite]

pooling for shiv is probably the area i can improve on the most, just how big a deal is it in the end?

[pale fossil]

@limber lion Are all of your logs still private?

[limber lion]

Yes unfortunately.

[pale fossil]

[limber lion]

Not allowed to stream either.

[pale fossil]

JFC are you pushing for World First!?

[limber lion]

I can flex my sims, but that's it

[limber lion]

Hah, no

[pale fossil]

Was just looking at talent choices for fights and wanted to see if your choices differed from top logs.

Like I didn't really expect EP/Vigor showing up as often as it does.

[mental trout]

so whats the best tip for spreading out your envenom buff uptime?

like i feel like id miss out on some envenoms?

[limber lion]

Just pool on Envenom, that's it.

[limber lion]

Yeah, I default to EP/Vig mainly as well currently. But then again I'm Necro now, so it makes sense.

[lone minnow]

how good is gland

for assa

[pale fossil]

I'm Necro as well, so good to know.

[brazen rampart]

do people in here do log reviews?

[pale fossil]

Yeah

[brazen rampart]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a3wxZvPr8djgfXhW#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=10

not sure why i did so low, and can't really tell from comparing to top logs what did they do so different

[robust pasture]

Any guides or tips on when I should call for PI?

[delicate smelt]

hey, is Decanter good for Assa? With Phial as second trinket

[wintry mica]

it seems alright, procs a lot more than i expected

[delicate smelt]

for which trinket we are aiming as second with Phial?

[limpid plinth]

How much you sim atm as assa?

[halcyon zealot]

this man looted a 252 dagger AND a heroic sylvanas wep, his sims are DQ’d lmao

❤️

[lone minnow]

dudeeee gz!

[crisp cove]

any log wizards bored enough to explain to me why I'm complete garbage?

[lone minnow]

how is gland for rogues

[grim lion]

How bad is vers for assa?

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h9b6LxXMEkFyZERX1evbXj

[grim lion]

Been playing outlaw for a while and all my gear is vers heavy

1k+ vers

would i be hella gimped to try assa?

[limber lion]

Nah

Vers is a fine stat

It's not the best, but it's not the worst.

[pale fossil]

What the actual fuck

[limber lion]

Just sim yourself

[limpid plinth]

Holy shit 👌😂

[cloud bramble]

should I use dungeon slice for m+?

[pale fossil]

Yes

[fallen arch]

Get outta here

Gamer

[copper pine]

Unholy bonus ?

[limber star]

is assass pumping more than sub in 9.1? just returned

[frosty bridge]

@limber lion that heroic edge of night thoooooo

[pallid bough]

edge and 3 UH gems

what a gamer

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

No, Sub still winning

My Sub sims about 600 dps more.

[pallid bough]

I see Perfecto's luck was yoinked by you

smh

[limber lion]

Heh

[soft shale]

dont worry klaus does not have daggers either

and look at him pump on guardian

[limber star]

aaah, gotcha, cheers!

[spark patrol]

hey folks,
could I ask you to roast my logs if somebody has time and willing to do this 🙂
Trying to get better and stuff
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qMHKFrLAb4DhCmYX/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=26
maybe there are some obvious mistakes that im making

[lavish isle]

phial trinket is bis only for assa? or for sub can be used also

[limber lion]

Bis for sub as well

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[feral imp]

is necro the best covenant if I wanna play multiple specs?

[copper pine]

Which unholy Socket is the best for raiding ?

[spark patrol]

vent is probably safer

[limber lion]

If you wanna play Outlaw, sure

if you wanna play Sub, you should play Venth

[teal mountain]

so obedience suck ? we still need doomblade

[shadow tusk]

How much do you pool for envenoms was it 30 energry or 30%

i forget

[balmy condor]

30 from max

[shadow tusk]

Thanks

[ebon garden]

if im gonna play both assa and sub what stats should i craft on obedience?

[odd hazel]

crit/vers

[limber lion]

Crit/Verts

[odd hazel]

Pew pew cev to slow

[ebon garden]

thanks 😄

[lean thorn]

I got the 236 shadowgrasp totem and raidbots tells me it's +53 dps over my current trinkets (Decanter of endless howling + sack of terror)
Is it that easy to get all that value from the totem though? Anybody has the experience of using it in high end pve content on st?

[teal mountain]

but apprently no one playing obedience if i look at the logs and raider io

[halcyon zealot]

the legendary is 2 days old, some people haven’t raided yet, i would say it’s quite normal for it not to have a large representation on logs yet

[balmy condor]

you cast it on cooldown, and it does damage, not really sure how much easier it gets

[lean thorn]

for some reason I thought you should reset the cooldown with the adds somehow or it won't be worth it

Didn't see many of those in the logs tbh, even though it's #3 accoridng to bloodmallet

[brazen rampart]

gotta ask cause i'm only 3 ilvls lower but sim only like 7-7.1k. is the difference purely from the triple unholy shards and the insane weapons?

i have zero dps shards btw

[idle star]

Gg

[balmy condor]

well you simmed patchwerk 5 min right?

[lean thorn]

yep and I know I sound stupid 😄

[balmy condor]

:P there's no resets possible on that sim

[halcyon zealot]

his weps alone are prob a 1k sim difference than someone having 226s still

[brazen rampart]

i have double 233s, but yeah, that would be it pretty much

[manic igloo]

parsed 80% overall and like 30 % ilvl on guardian assuming 220 mh wep doesnt help

[limber lion]

Yes

[halcyon zealot]

220 mh wep certainly does not help

[limber lion]

Unholy set alone is 800+ dps

[halcyon zealot]

it’s the way she goes tho

ya cev your gear might be the wildest i’ve seen so far

outside of rwf players

[brazen rampart]

meanwhile here i am with a single utility unholy shard

are the droprates for those tied to difficulty at all? can i like run a normal pug tomorrow or smth for extra chances at shards

[halcyon zealot]

1 chance per boss per week regardless of difficulty according to a wowhead article from yesterday

[brazen rampart]

since i cleared 9/10 hc this week already

guess i can do normal sylvanas as a hail mary

[halcyon zealot]

meanwhile, head systems designer:

[loud light]

what's that, rank 3 set bonus?

looks like 600 agi in the report at least, sort of impossible to read from the normal ui

[gusty adder]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[rigid tartan]

guys, can you find any log from someone with a sylvanas dagger? it comes off as weird to me that there is not a single one on subcreation with a sylv dagger

[hollow escarp]

Uwulane's logs?

doesn't he have the sylv dagger

[limber lion]

this is the effect, if that's what you're asking

[hollow escarp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zDpHcG7LRPkYnqQx#fight=9&type=summary&source=12

[limber lion]

But yeh it's 600 agi I think

[hollow escarp]

sylvanas dagger

[rigid tartan]

thanks!

[hollow escarp]

np

[loud light]

well I meant the set bonus scales now with the rank of the shards, 600 agi is if you've got rank 3 shards

[limber lion]

Yeh

that's true

the set bonus is insane when you upgrade it

[loud light]

yeah it's just a little annoying to tell what rank they are from the raidbots ui since the wowhead tooltips suck for them

[limber lion]

Yep

[regal path]

All 3 shards need to be upgraded to buff the set bonus?

[tired jasper]

why are all the top rogues play vigor elabrorate planning ? the 6 combo point combination is simming way better for me somehow

[ruby gust]

Crafting leggo now - doomblade or obedience?

[limber lion]

Doomblade if you're only raiding

Obedience if you wanna do m+ as sin

[ruby gust]

alrighbt thank you!

do you think if i run doomblade i should reroll necro or is it still good?

[frosty bridge]

Doomblade is great on venthyr too

[limber lion]

It's the best legendary for all of our covenants

[ruby gust]

oh right, so no point in swapping

[burnt prism]

why is rogue a rogue?

[verbal knot]

what is a rogue

[burnt prism]

rogue

[undone eagle]

Is sub rogues really good for st now?

[pale fossil]

EP and Vigor sims a bit lower on ST, but better on multi-target, plus it gives you a little more flexibility with downtime and your rotation because of the increased energy cap.

[rancid warren]

Echo did world first guardian kill with 2 subs on top. With venthyr lego sub sims better than asaa in ST

[undone eagle]

Yeah i saw that i was kinda surprised damn

[bright turret]

sub blasts ST if the fights don't have many mechanics that interupt rotation

eye is a perfect example of a fight you wouldn't want to play sub on

[undone eagle]

Hm would u reccomend sin or sub for RBG? (PvP)

Im necro sin atm

[cyan dew]

Guys, when I have shiv up. Do I press it on CD or wait till close to max energy and CP?

[frigid sleet]

on cd

[cyan dew]

Hm

ty

[cerulean nest]

where do we get upgraded lashing scars conduit?

literally mythic denathrius?

or we have to use the item to roll for it?

[brazen rampart]

You can do m+ to get most of the other conduits at 226 and then dump the rng items from korthia

[odd hazel]

Conduit upgrades

[brazen rampart]

And for getting further than 226 it's from tier 6 archivists

[odd hazel]

The vault also does the 252 upgrades

[cerulean nest]

conduit upgrades in vault?

nah

[odd hazel]

Yes

The adamant vaults

[azure bronze]

the conduits items from adamant vaults you should save

until all your conduits are 226 or higher

cause they follow the same pattern anyway as the other upgrade conduits

[odd hazel]

Just telling him the options

[azure bronze]

ah okay xD

but yeah

just farm level 9 torghast to get 5 star

and get a chance for your weekly conduit

[strange python]

Or just 5 star the 11

[forest shoal]

ilvl 224, 24/26/27/6 secondary stats. I'm refreshing garrotte/rupture within pandemic windows, but I'm only hitting 4.5k on training dummy. anyone have any tips?

[strange python]

What do you Sim at if you Sim v target dummy?

[forest shoal]

was 6.2 last time i checked

[strange python]

Jesus

[forest shoal]

yeah, im clearly doing something wrong

[strange python]

Is that a single target Sim or a target dummy Sim?

[forest shoal]

not sure.

[strange python]

A target dummy Sim is no buffs

Just you

[forest shoal]

lemme read the sim, its in queue

[strange python]

Keep in mind that a single target Sim will assume a bunch of raid buffs on you

So just going and bashing a tdummy won't get remotely close

[somber breach]

Question on mythic eye and shadow step use. I'm too scared to test on live. Does step just put you in the same spot each time? Like in the front, slightly to the left?

[forest shoal]

@somber breach SS puts u behind

[somber breach]

Technically this boss doesn't have a behind though unless it'll drop me off the platform

[forest shoal]

then likely in a straight line to the closest possible spot in range

[teal bloom]

I havent done it on mythic but it seems it always puts you in the same place from my experience

[somber breach]

I'm watching vods and I'm thinking same thing

[forest shoal]

@strange python sim was 6.4k but its assuming all raid buffs

[strange python]

Yeah do a target dummy sim

[forest shoal]

alright, queueing it up

[strange python]

Its way too hard to estimate what you should do on a tdummy by comparing it to a raid sim

Really in the end what you would really need if you're worried about rotation is someone to look at logs

[forest shoal]

no doubt, i just figured if i was missing by a huge amount, there might be a major rotational flaw that might pop up

like a common learning curve thing

[strange python]

With sin it can be a bit harder unless you're like letting bleeds drop

Sins bottom floor is very high

[forest shoal]

i think im keeping them up within the window

[strange python]

It's mostly just finicky optimisation

[forest shoal]

sim on dummy shows 4.6

so I'm off by 200dps from sim

[strange python]

Yeah. so you're not bad by any means at least.

It will be small things like spamming Evis too soon with ep vigor and such

[forest shoal]

im running 3/3/2/2/2/2/1

[strange python]

My point more being you're close enough that you'd be better off sharing a log to find the "thing". Estimating the 200 dps difference will be tough

[forest shoal]

Alright. Thanks. I'll have to run a log. I feel better already knowing that the biggest difference was raid buffs. lol

[outer lodge]

For Assa M+ im running Necro Heirmir - what 2nd potency should i be running with Sudden Fractures? Well placed steel? Lethal Poisons? Poisoned Katar?

[buoyant schooner]

do we use shadowcore oil or sharpening stone for raiding?

[limber lion]

sharpening stones for consistency

they perform very similarly

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[limber lion]

WPS

[buoyant schooner]

tks a lot

[outer lodge]

ty

[indigo mulch]

What are those disgusting sims

wtf

😦

8.7k

[limber lion]

hehe

[indigo mulch]

How many goats did you sacrifice to lootcifer?

[limber lion]

countless.

[indigo mulch]

You even got 3 unholy shards

[strange python]

I haven't even landed a weapon yet

[indigo mulch]

I've gotten 0.

[limber lion]

also sacrificed some brain cells

because I swapped to Necro

[willow gulch]

when using Obedience is better to just use Flag and Vend on CD after using together or hold vend to sync up with every other FLag?

[strange python]

But I did get a bug and fucking loot a poxstorm while in sin loot spec

[odd hazel]

Always use on Cd

[indigo mulch]

SBS is love.

[odd hazel]

Unless you miss a cast

[indigo mulch]

SbS is our lord and saviour.

[willow gulch]

so vend comes off CD us it and told X amt of seconds for Flag to come off CD?

and dont hold*

[indigo mulch]

I miss playing Sbs so much tbh. I hate playing venthyr but its just so much fun playing venthyr sub in m+ 😦

[azure bronze]

killed 7/10 HC got zero shards . Meanwhile one of our guilds dh's has blood + unholy set complete

[indigo mulch]

Yep. Feelsgoodman

[odd hazel]

I’ve got 2 frost shards

[indigo mulch]

I've gotten 3 frost and 1 blood.

Feelsgoodman

I DON'T WANT UNHOLY SHARDS ANYWAY BLIZZARD!

[azure bronze]

I've gotten each individual dps gems last reset

but no others

[indigo mulch]

[abstract flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sCiqh2H3DZSk32841cLrhM

somehow i think my dps is low isnt it`?

[odd hazel]

no

[limber lion]

Well

[azure flare]

uh

yes

kappa

[indigo mulch]

7.2 isent that bad. :/

[limber lion]

Your weapons are not the best
Your trinkets are not the best
You don't have dom items/sets
Your talents are pretty meh

[azure flare]

dogshit infact

[indigo mulch]

Don't say that

[azure flare]

^this is a joke btw

[indigo mulch]

😦

[azure flare]

I KID I KID

[thorny pond]

Your mog is also -100dps since we’re being mean today

[azure flare]

yea

tbh that mog kinda yikes my dude

[odd hazel]

mechagnome or get out

im serious

[azure flare]

goodbye world

[odd hazel]

xD

[halcyon zealot]

is that 226 neck actually simming an upgrade for people?

it was worst of all my necks by a long shot

[odd hazel]

its not for me

[thorny pond]

I’m not farming the stupid race

[odd hazel]

get gud beach

[thorny pond]

Void elf meta for painsmith

Fight me

[odd hazel]

easy

just door of shadows the balls

fuck your void elf

[low girder]

soulshape the entire phase

[thorny pond]

I have door 2 steps and elf racial

Enjoy picking your robot legs out of lava

[gusty mirage]

got em

[thorny pond]

I troll my tank and give him the “Nani?” Face

[halcyon zealot]

void elf’s look so good tbh

[odd hazel]

imagine being a dollar store blood elf

[thorny pond]

Bonk

[gusty mirage]

ironic you say that, because @thorny pond also looks so good tbh

[thorny pond]

Oxi coming in that little black bikini attitude today

[prisma cypress]

i keep thinking of race changing, but then realize no other horde race is as cool as zandalari

[odd hazel]

#Mechagnome

[halcyon zealot]

embarrassed to be alliance, but i too am a void elf

[odd hazel]

why are you embarrassed?

lol

[fervent rune]

Can we use evasion on spike balls on painsmith?

[worn geyser]

why does it show in bloodmallet that dashing scoundrel is simming better than doomblade now?

[fervent rune]

Too scared to try lol

[halcyon zealot]

oh not truly embarrassed, just memeing cuz dead faction

[odd hazel]

"dead"

waht

[halcyon zealot]

ok u win its the most alive faction

[odd hazel]

i mean

i dont believe that

lmao

If i ever need a new guild im 100% going horde again

[outer lodge]

those pants are showing 145 haste for me?

[balmy condor]

crafted gear tooltips are wrong

[outer lodge]

will it skew sims?

Or is it just a tooltip thing

[sly flume]

So currently i got all 3 blood shards on rank 3 and the chest on hc and finished the set. Blood bonus does around 9,1% of my damage (531dps) on fatescribe for example.

[balmy condor]

tooltip

[sly flume]

Is there somewhere to see how much the bonus would do if i would have all shards on rank 4 or 5 ?

[balmy condor]

nop

[harsh anchor]

Question about the secret technique trinket; does it matter what stat I boost or just go by recommended stat prio in pins .. couldn't find anything in my sims regarding it

[balmy condor]

it auto sims to haste

and it's trash

[limber lion]

my gear is easily better than most rwf players' gear

[odd hazel]

#CevForRWF

[harsh anchor]

Probably is trash but sims better than my 220 iqd :^)

[odd hazel]

are you venth syska?

[harsh anchor]

ofc not

[odd hazel]

thats why

[harsh anchor]

for life

[limber lion]

iqd is not the best for necro

[odd hazel]

IQD is only really good for venth crit

[harsh anchor]

I rerolled back to my rogue a month before 9.1 and that was the best trinket I could get at the time

gg

I refuse to let a guild guilt me into rerolling to a mage in any tier again

[indigo mulch]

I got bullied into WW 😦

then Brew

[halcyon zealot]

ya i kinda figured that after i hit send but cba editing lol

[indigo mulch]

Did you see the sub blasters on guardian on Echo's kill? :x

Like 9.6k overall pretty crazy.

Nvm, 9.2k

[wise fiber]

Blindside or EP on Terragrue Mythic?

[buoyant mauve]

did something get pinned then unpinned?

[azure bronze]

Obedience sim bug that got fixed

[indigo mulch]

Obe bug? O.o;

[regal zodiac]

Wowhead rotation says to Use Fan of Knives at 3 targets if any of them has no Deadly Poison ticking. So just to verify, once they have poison ticking, do I switch back to mutilate at 3 targets as a CP generator?

[limber lion]

Yes

That's correct

[azure bronze]

Raidbots somehow put back unnerfed obedience instead of nerfed obedience so it was simming higer then it should be

[regal zodiac]

Thanks

[rapid forum]

random remnant kill got me the head for 3x unholy socket

suddenly 8k sim dps

[scenic meteor]

i raided normal with obedience today, it feels really fun to play

[grim otter]

Has there been a fix to the sylvanas dagger to allow multiple rogues to benefit from the debuff? Or is it still just one rogue benefitting

[rapid forum]

dagger is fixed

[grim otter]

Bless

[burnt lynx]

Hey if i'm rerolling to rogue and i'm really behind on renown, should i craft a leggo in the meantime until i can get obediance?

[rapid forum]

doomblade is just about as good

[halcyon tapir]

I do norm + heroic raid, should i do lfr as well for gem drops?

[grim otter]

I think you can only get as many as drop in heroic, so if you do normal first then heroic you'll only get the difference

Oh wait gems not embers my bad

Disregard

[halcyon tapir]

A better wording would be, do they drop from lfr?

[azure flare]

Gem only drops once per boss

Regardless of difficulty

[pale fossil]

You can only loot a gem once for each boss, per week. Clearing the same boss in heroic after you downed it in normal will not get you a gem.

So you should only dip into LFR if it includes bosses you haven't killed yet.

[halcyon tapir]

Ah thanks for the info! Really good to know

[strange python]

Or for the xmog ( imo the fucking lfr xmog has the best colours :'( )

[pale fossil]

Also, I don't think we know if the Nine will drop the mount in LFR

So there's also potentially that

[rapid forum]

if you run lfr for transmog you are truly lost

[halcyon tapir]

Sorry just to clarify, if i kill heroic tarragrue and get no gem drop, Running norm wont give me another chance at gem?

[azure flare]

Or ascended

No it wont

You have one chance per boss

Per week

[jovial aurora]

with obedience do we want to cast flagellation on cooldown or do we save it for vendetta windows?

[halcyon zealot]

i played BS/Deeper cuz of powers, to be fair that boss is a meme and i think it’s hard to truly say which talents are better

[rapid forum]

10 chances at gems per week, no matter what you do

[halcyon tapir]

Thanks again =)

[azure flare]

It should naturally align with vendetta

It turns into a 1 min cd

Vendetta is 2 min

[jovial aurora]

gotcha

[pale fossil]

That's correct, yeah.

[slow marsh]

People are running lower difficulties for the socketed gear for set bonus since you'll need both shards and the gear pieces. For what that's worth

Hence why you almost never take vault gear in slots that have dom sockets because lower ilvl Dom socket gear is generally better so long as you have shards to slot in. Though I'm not sure where the breakpoints are or if they will super matter

[rapid forum]

nah, just sim it and take the highest one

only loosers plan for the future

[reef axle]

Tempted to buy the 220 piece from death advance, will replace a 226…. Just so I can use the dom socket

[rapid forum]

it only costs stygia, so might as well

[velvet falcon]

no single item to socket

[reef axle]

Will sim it see if it is an upgrade, but I would assume 6 ilvls won’t out sim a dom gem

[undone summit]

im 2 weeks in and got 1 shard 🙂

[velvet falcon]

love to see it

[arctic hare]

Dang, you got the Domination gems like CRAZY

[velvet falcon]

ye

but 0 items

[halcyon zealot]

ive had 15 chances to loot shards in terms of boss kills, and ive looted 2 blood 1 frost rofl

[pure moth]

Atleast you were lucky to get those

[radiant fossil]

[scenic meteor]

what shards will we use?

[slow marsh]

pins

[scenic meteor]

cheers

[halcyon zealot]

tldr you want to aim for the unholy set bonus and then 1 of the damage shards from both blood and frost

[scenic meteor]

like this? got it today

[smoky oyster]

whats better? shaded stones or shadow core oil? (raiding)

[scenic meteor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[smoky oyster]

thank you!

[outer lodge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[halcyon zealot]

yeah. thats the set bonus we want

cev was saying earlier the unholy set bonus alone was around a 800 dps increase for him

[scenic meteor]

damn

so now i need unholy shards

[cyan kite]

I got the tertiary unholy shard last night

only shard drop so far

[manic pebble]

I've seen many rogues I met were using Vigor in the raid, is it really better than DS?

[sly flume]

personally it feels smoother to play, im not sure about the dmg difference tho

[pale fossil]

EP/Vigor usually sims better against anything >1 target, and it smooths out your rotation in a way that makes downtime a little less impactful.

[manic pebble]

that explains why the other rogues did more damage than me despite them having lower ilvl than me

I thought my rotation was bad

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[marble garnet]

!immune

[manic pebble]

but it was a single target fight tho no adds

[marble garnet]

how do you pull up the immunity list... I have sen it before but it is not pinned

[manic pebble]

!cloak

this

!defensive

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[marble garnet]

ty

[prime flame]

Question here. Is Doomblade better then Obedient for raiding as Assassination Venthyr rogue?

[halcyon zealot]

its like 40 dps difference

[frigid jasper]

does anyone know how you can check poison bomb procs rather than hits on WCL?

[halcyon zealot]

if you multi-spec/do m+ as assa, youll probably want to have one crafted, especially since soul ash is kinda free now - moreso if you have alts

[halcyon zealot]

you mean how to check the number of times it procc'd during a fight?

[frigid jasper]

yeah, I'm sure there's a really simple way to figuring it out but I'm not really sure how

[misty edge]

how much cdr are people typically getting from obediance

[void pecan]

? You mean how often can you cast flag with obediance?

if so, every minute

[misty edge]

Yea i think thats a better wording for what i was tryign to say haha

But awesome thank you!

So at some point ill hold vendetta to pair with it or just seperate them now?

[void pecan]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

just smash on cd

you'd miss out on casts

[odd hazel]

never hold cast

for any reason

unless its like 3 seconds

then i could see holding it

but just use it on CD and GG

[native silo]

as necro sin do i spam spike in opener? i feel like im energy starved if i mut too many times

[odd hazel]

nah

[short token]

you fit it in to fill gaps in the rotation

[odd hazel]

No

You use it on opener to put dot up, dump in gemstone procs, and dont let it cap

thats it

[short token]

when the gemstone procs

gemstone procs in opener tho

well during vendetta

[odd hazel]

then yeah dump it

[stone pumice]

Does shadowstep act as a true teleport across the beam of The Eye?

[balmy condor]

yes

you can also cloak it

[dawn ivy]

AND doordash

[wise fiber]

oh shadowstep really? thats huge

[void pecan]

Yeah,

run with the beam

[stone pumice]

I was thinking for consecutive beams, cloak the first and then shadowstep. Sweet!

[void pecan]

then when it gets around, just step

you'll end up like.. near the front of him

[stone pumice]

you shadowstep the eye? I was thinking you could also target another player who blinked through it

[void pecan]

that too, I've never had step fail if I just run to the chain almost, then step

[balmy condor]

yeah

shadowstep the eye

[frigid jasper]

I died on our first kill of the eye bc I stepped at the last second and rather than placing me in the middle it placed me at the end of the left platform and got beamed off, hasn't happened since though so maybe just a fluke situation?

[winged basin]

is there a place to find out best m+ anima powers????

am I obliviously missing it in pins?

[stone pumice]

I'm sure shadowstepping to the end of the platform is a wonky edge case. That's definitely good to know though!

[upbeat needle]

feast or haste food?

[gusty mirage]

feast

always

[manic pebble]

Can you shadowstep to the eye of jailer tho?

[gusty mirage]

yes

it puts you in front of the eye slightly to the left of center

[manic pebble]

ooo

I thought I'll fall to death

[wide jay]

This was a bug that they fixed a few days ago.

It's in the patch notes.

(It got me too)

[cosmic sandal]

I see some sin rogues running Obedience, is this a thing or should i just stick with doomblade for sin? i have both crafted

[whole skiff]

Doom for bosses, obedience for m+

[ebon notch]

how much haste you guys running for ST?

just getting some opinions

im finding the sweetspot to be around 25%

[reef axle]

Simming gloves of death advance for a 6 ilvl downgrade to gain a dom socket is a 1% dps increase

So looks like I’m downgrading my gloves by 6 ilvls lol

[real pewter]

sudden fractures or poison katar for M+?

[sonic schooner]

arnt the stats like vers + mast?

[soft shale]

sudden fractures

[jovial goblet]

What are the talents if playing obedience

[soft shale]

for what content

[jovial goblet]

raid

[inland jacinth]

is obedience still worth going into venthyr still? i'm on necro, trying to figure out if worth the change after nerf ;(

[ebon notch]

i was wondering the same

basically im gonna stay necro till i get double daggers

then im hard swapping

and going obedience

[real pewter]

Honestly, i hate playing venthyr and necro seems to be just as competitive

Bonespike is an amazing filler spell too

[fiery mauve]

Yeah they do competitive dps, necro and venth

I like the, flexibility? Of obedience

Vs doomblade

[jovial goblet]

I feel stupidly energy starved playing 3-3-2 as sin in raid

[timid talon]

thats why people play ep/vigor

[fiery mauve]

Ep vigor isn’t much of a dps loss on st iirc

[timid talon]

its less than 100 difference for me

[fiery mauve]

And it’s generally better on fights with adds so

I should commit to Kyrian

I like ER the most of our 4 cov abilities

[rapid forum]

if you are not on the first page of wowprogress, just play whatever covernant you like most imo

[fiery mauve]

nah already 48 renown with venth and obedience crafted

Venth isn’t bad

I just like Er the most

[ebon notch]

Why do you hate it

[odd hazel]

liking

kyrian

what even is that

[fiery mauve]

ER is a pretty simple ability

Press it, does damg, gives cp

If you mistime flag then it’s sad days

[jovial goblet]

is MA really the best talent for T2?

[fiery mauve]

Or you know mechanics

Flag feels great in keys though

[teal bloom]

@jovial goblet Against 1 or 2 targets, yes

[ebon notch]

I wonder if night fae could actually be good

When your vendetta is done

You proc the leggo

And get another 12s of dam

[plain thistle]

it is not

[low girder]

you're not guaranteed vendetta either

[ebon notch]

Yeah but you get dam

Never said more vendetta

[teal bloom]

You get dam but other leggos give more dam

[ebon notch]

32s of dam

[low girder]

very little dam

because AR sucks

[ebon notch]

Bruh that energy regen is spicy

But kinda dogshit without celerity

I just want them to buff or rework the necro leggo so it's not useless

[mental fog]

Guys, enchant in wepons, some tip ?

[ebon notch]

Do it

[low girder]

fun fact, you gain 12 more energy from 8s of AR than you do from hitting vendetta

i was curious so i went and did math

[ebon notch]

And it's buffed to 12s now isn't it?

The leggo?

[low girder]

hmm, herodamage's tooltip wasn't updated, so i forgot about that

[ebon notch]

So it's bis now

[low girder]

so you'd gain 108

[ebon notch]

Big damn

[low girder]

yeah, very bis if you flip the chart

[ebon notch]

All about perspective

[real pewter]

@ebon notch I feel like there is much more downtime with venthyr

[low girder]

although it might be different for sin because it's a flat 60% so the base regen would be lower

and i'm not switching back to NF to find out

[odd hazel]

more downtime with venthyr?

??????

[ebon notch]

Are you using obedience?

[real pewter]

Nah, I swapped off before it came out

I'm necro now

[ebon notch]

Yh that's probably why lmao

Flagellation has like a 1 min cd rn

[weak glen]

If you shadow step on the eye, where does it take you?

[ebon notch]

Front left of boss

Every time

Who was saying something about first necro soulbind simming giga?

[shy badge]

im seeing mix missives on what to put obedience, haste/crit or vers/crit for crafting?

[silent fossil]

cv

[shy badge]

is there a reason? just wondering

[ebon notch]

I thought flag gives vers why would you put it on leggo

[silent fossil]

lolwut

[plain thistle]

crit/versa if you play assa/sub

[lunar pelican]

crit/vers b/c that's best for sub

[plain thistle]

crit/haste if you want what is best for assa

[shy badge]

what if u dont play sub?

moslty outlaw for keys and ass for raid

[plain thistle]

for assa only you want crit/haste, the other option you found

[shy badge]

ok thank you, wowhead was telling me vers/crit, guess if ur flexable with sub also its better vers/crit

[plain thistle]

yeah, because versa isnt bad for assa

and its good for sub

[strange python]

So why does guardian trinket sim poorly in droptimizer but so high on bloodmallet

[balmy condor]

probably because bloodmallet updated

and you're looking at an old sim

[strange python]

Ah thought raidbots updated

[balmy condor]

might've not

[strange python]

But whispyr

Why won't phial drop

[balmy condor]

suffer

I got shoulders off of mythic tara

and then fusion amp from heroic guardian

I'm blasting off

[strange python]

Yeah I landed the hc guardian trinket last night

Big stonks

[dusky vault]

I got the wrists

[balmy condor]

it's something

[odd hazel]

@balmy condor

what spec for that key

[balmy condor]

all of them

[strange python]

I got 252 leech dagger. But I've also run 15 PFs and not even seen anyone get phial yet. Big sad.

I haven't landed a dagger in about 30 15s

[odd hazel]

good, you said not to take phial

❤️

kidding i hope you get the sylv dagger

[void pecan]

just get daggers from raid

easy

[strange python]

The dagger was still the better choice for them

[odd hazel]

listen squidward

( is that squidward ? )

[strange python]

It's a nioh2 character. Looks amazing in the cut scenes btw.

Taza trinket gonna be so huge next tier.

[summer onyx]

Just switched to Venth, what's the opener with flagellation? And should I use flagellation on CD or attempt to stack it with something? Not using Obedience right now if that matters

[void pecan]

flag before rupture

[summer onyx]

okay, that's what i thought. Do I vendetta after the rupture still?

[odd hazel]

sad it sims less for me

you vendetta before flag/rupture

[summer onyx]

oh alright, thanks

[coral hazel]

What's the realistic # of stacks to be able to get on a flag? i'm used to sub where the answer is 29-30 but that doesn't really seem possible in normal circumstances for assassination

[plain thistle]

19-24

ish

[lean coral]

idk how much i like obedience as sin

[plain thistle]

you need crit luck to get higher stacks

[strange python]

Do you? That's different than the guides say and top logs.

Most of them have flag>rupture>vend

[open swift]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[odd hazel]

yeah im 100% sure

[open swift]

do you get a 5 CP SnD or a 1 CP SnD

[strange python]

Most top logs do flag before vend.

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Ceverion
Mut - Slice - Mut - Gar - Vend - Flag - Rup - Shiv - Vanish - Mut - Env - Mut

[regal crest]

Does feint work on the chain breaking dam

for soulrender

[hollow river]

There should be a link for all defensives

Pinned in #wow-general

[high berry]

is it better to use ambush or mutilate coming out of stealth with MA ?

[odd hazel]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[hollow river]

If it is known, it will be on the list

[hollow river]

Does that one include sanctum now?

[odd hazel]

i beleive so

[sick aspen]

The pin mentions spec and conduits for m+, as venth which souldbind is it for m+?

[odd hazel]

pins also say that but---best set up for sin is triple potency theotar with obedience

[sick aspen]

oh, the graphic, thanks ItMeKrey, was reading the bits below that

[odd hazel]

all good!

happy to help any time

[sacred hollow]

with obe legendary do you just flag on cd? Checked guides/pins not finding it. Guess I could check sim api

[balmy condor]

same rule as always

sync unless you're going to miss a cast

[sacred hollow]

thanks

[thorny nest]

Can anyone help me out and look at a log of mine? I want to know how to do more damage, my parse is really low.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HCJTBhLA4rmWqkaw/#fight=23&type=damage-done
My characters name is Tykhe

[thin trout]

u dont have wf, u didnt pot, u dont have a flask, it seems you arent correctly pooling resources, you only used vanish twice those are the first thing i noticed

[thorny nest]

I had a flask! But yeah, the other things are true

So when/how do I pool?

[thin trout]

u shoudln't be spamming your envnomens, but try to have a high uptime on the envnoment debuff and make sure that u have high energy for stuff like flagelation and shiv - so that u can get alot of finishers in

[ashen fulcrum]

sharpening stones or oil for M+?

[thin trout]

also if you go for vigor, i believe eloborate planning is better

[thorny nest]

I see, that helps a bit, thanks!

[thin trout]

also playing doomblade makes playing the class easier 😄

[thorny nest]

How so?

[odd hazel]

"easier"

it doesnt change anything except giving mut a bleed

[thin trout]

well seeing his logs has has <20 flag stacks using Obedience

[odd hazel]

yes

and?

[thin trout]

doomblade you don't have to worry about shit

[odd hazel]

doom doesnt help you with flag

you dont change flag usage or anything

with either

[thin trout]

that's true

[odd hazel]

so

your garrote uptime can be better

[thin trout]

punish is more for obedience, let's say it like that

[thorny nest]

I made obedience cuz I sub in m+

[odd hazel]

punish?

but yeah--- if you use vigor go EP

your lashing is only 200 which is oof

[thorny nest]

That's the second part of flag damage, right?

So I should be pooling more before using it?

Oh, the ocnduit

oof

So it's all just tons of small stuff adding up to such a low parse, yes?

Or am I missing something really glaring

[odd hazel]

you didnt use shiv on CD it seems

your envenom buff is a little low

[thorny nest]

Been trying to work on it, I guess I should work on it more ^^

[clear cairn]

Quick question, sorry to throw it out there during your conversation, do we go crimson tempest on KT?

[odd hazel]

seems you over capped energy a little bit

[lean coral]

pog we got a rank 6 on eye mythic

[misty edge]

hello all, im back asking for more help to anyone who could look over a log, my damage number seems decent, but when i look at how low i am compared to others there must be a lot i could improve

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FkDvhqtbWVdj71pz#fight=38&type=damage-done

im scrapbooker in the log of course

[thorny nest]

Do I ever delay shiv to pool energy?

Or is the pooling energy bit something to be planned in advance, and if missed, just slam shiv on cd

[odd hazel]

yo uwasted a bit of energy, your envenom buff could be higher, you didnt use shiv on CD sometimes ( like once or twice ), you delayed vendetta a little bit in your opener.

[odd hazel]

do not delay shiv, just slam it on CD. just try to practice pooling naturally and you should be fine.

[thorny nest]

Word

[strange python]

Agi of phantom fire

[odd hazel]

i noticed you didnt pre-pot

wait---you did excuse that part

[thorny nest]

Is there like some magic guideline amount of energy I should be hovering at?

[strange python]

Agi or phantom fire**

[misty edge]

@odd hazel hm i thought it was supposed to be delayed slightly like that ill need to refresh the opener page

[odd hazel]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[odd hazel]

mut - SnD - mut - Garrote - Vend - Flag - rupture - shiv/vanish - mut - envenom - mut

[misty edge]

oh shit, yep i been doing that wrong without a doubt

[odd hazel]

i know the opener says different but this seems to be the norm to go for.

atleast from what people say here. which i also use that opener and it seems to do well

im not the best at reading logs--- maybe one of the master log readers will find anything

[misty edge]

so waste less energy sit on envenoms longer to maximize envonom buff, which i feel like might then make me cap energy more? but thats the 2 main things

I can only hope they will take a look as well but still thank you so much!

[safe barn]

does crippling works on fatescribe tank add?

[lean coral]

it should

since slows work

there should be like a million other slows in group tho

[distant flame]

When practicing on a target dummy I seem to be missing a lot of auto attacks compared to a sim over a 5 minute time, having S&D 100% uptime, not sure what I'm missing, any advice?

[ancient kraken]

Don’t compare dummy to logs