assassination

[sturdy stirrup]

seli streaming now

[fallen arch]

Limit Max 🤓

[ebon tundra]

Doesnt Dei stream assa?

[fallen arch]

Oh lol he’s trying out deathspike atm

[echo geyser]

@vestal wren do u know why the guardian fusion trinket is simming not so good for sin vs outlaw/sub

my 239 fusion is getting beat by 233 dreadfire

[vestal wren]

koji updated the proc trigger in nightly

but as mentioned in the pin, nightly has obedience too high

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/3333e72585e04de7a26cd4eb655153aac2a2ca11

[echo geyser]

what does this mean

it was undersimming ?

[sinful fog]

Hey, quick question for people - when do you use flagilation in your opener, after Slice/Dots applied or before? Second, if you're running doomblade instead of obedience, do you save flagilation for your 2 minute vendetta window or use off CD?

[echo geyser]

ah thanks

[vestal wren]

i don't know how much dps impact it has

but it means it sims (more) correct in nightly

[echo geyser]

yeah i see

how long was this nightly obedience thing?

[vestal wren]

long?

[rustic whale]

did they fixed poison application bug?

[echo geyser]

like would i have been affected if i simmed yday evening at like 7-10pm

[vestal wren]

its just the hotfix (0.5% instead of 1%) that got bypassed by spell data updates

so nightly atm seems to sim with 1% per stack

[echo geyser]

oh wow

[keen flint]

!bis

[rapid forum]

whats the opening like on a boss like the nine? get full dots up on both and than into vendetta and cooldowns?

[keen flint]

no bis command ?

[echo geyser]

yeah seems i simmed 9 hrs ago

[vestal wren]

but koji fixed this already, its just that reidbots did build nightly before that fix was pushed

so its just "bad timing"

[vestal wren]

you can use the tier profiles as reference.
https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T27_Raid.html

[keen flint]

thx

[vestal wren]

doesn't mean gear is the absolute best in those

[keen flint]

okay

[topaz minnow]

infexious? he plays assa exclusively.. but necro

[odd hazel]

gross

do not go to infexious

[topaz minnow]

:)))

[odd hazel]

whispyr streams, i would recommend following him or some of the other CF figures

i think koffing does as well

[placid dawn]

man, i fucking hate rogue on torghast, barely any decent powers

[torpid sluice]

@vestal wren Don't we need to gem Unholy in the head for the set to work? Cause in those sims, it says it has blood gem in the head piece, making it not (?) have the unholy set bonus?

[placid dawn]

cant finish this stupid layer 11

[odd hazel]

theres plenty of decent powers

[placid dawn]

one elite destroys me

cant kill it before i get slammed unless i wait for everything to be up

[vestal wren]

i think seli plays assassination atm, he is in the cf list

[topaz minnow]

shadowstep power is op... but gl finding it

😄

[odd hazel]

get theo ne that AoEs around your main target. One that makes your CP generator do a shit ton of damage after a finisher. The one that gives you adrenaline/symbols/vendetta. the extra poison, masterr poison talent, the shadow step one is a good one

evenom damage

some flag ones are nice wish tehre was a power that made it AoE

[placid dawn]

yea, I would like to get those ons

[topaz minnow]

btw is obedience even better than doomblade on st? my sims are like 20 dps difference

[placid dawn]

I have 1 offensive power and all defensive ones, but those are complete trash

[odd hazel]

for most people its a little less then doom on pure ST

then better on M+

[odd hazel]

RNG wins again

[torpid sluice]

-26 DPS for me on ST yea

[topaz minnow]

yea on aoe its better.. but.. yea

[odd hazel]

i havent simmed 2t/3t

but im sure its slightly even less behind

[placid dawn]

its just super annoying, wasted so much time for nothing

[topaz minnow]

isnt necro better in that case? most bosses have some cleave

[odd hazel]

i recommend forming a group if you can

[odd hazel]

if you're necro sure

[topaz minnow]

i changed to venth ofc :)))

[ebon tundra]

@odd hazel For me 2 target its still behind but 3 target just pulls ahead

[torpid sluice]

@vestal wren I could be wrong though, but Frost is in Frost, but Unholy is in Blood and Blood is in Unholy slot. Not sure if the sims then use the set bonus of Unholy

[subtle kiln]

mine actually started beating doom in ST. apparently have enough vers to push it since most of the gear is subt gear

[vale marten]

so ive been playing with obi on a target dummy, no hero or raid buffs and cant seem to line obi with vendetta , its always 20-25 sec difference

will the raid enviroment help with that?

[odd hazel]

you dont need to line it up

just use it on CD

[vale marten]

i mean, then whats the point

[odd hazel]

a 1 min flag?

[vale marten]

thats what im saying its not 1 min

[odd hazel]

it is though

i got it down to less then a minute

[vale marten]

if it was it would line up

[subtle kiln]

welcome to assa. use basically everything on CD

[odd hazel]

i mean

vend is 2 min

so we can get 2 flags before another vendetta

[vale marten]

dudes i know how to play. just thought it would line up better

[odd hazel]

it lines up bette rthen it does now

you just dont sync it

[vale marten]

thats true but i thought it would be like 10 sec difference max, not 25

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

we dont get that many stacks

at most people get 27-28

average people get 20-23

[vale marten]

ill have to see in raid scenario, guessing it gets better but by how much is what i wanna know

[torpid sluice]

You do line them up every 2 uses right? Atleast, that's what the quick sim break down does

you use vendetta at 2min25secs

[odd hazel]

you dont have anything

stop holding CDs

we always use on CD

you only ever hold flag to sync if you're gonna miss a cast

and thats a rare occasion unless your fight times are a specific amount

[torpid sluice]

But then you'd prob hold vendetta for those 10-15secs instead of flag for 25secs I guess?

[odd hazel]

no, you still use vendetta on CD

there is no holding any of our CDs besides what i said then

[torpid sluice]

Well sorry master.

[odd hazel]

i mean

[rapid forum]

whats the opening like on a boss like the nine? get full dots up on both and than into vendetta and cooldowns?

[polar matrix]

krey

[odd hazel]

Hello

[loud trench]

So shadowgrasp totem, can we talk about how unreal that is lol

[polar matrix]

i feel like my first vandetta vanish opener is fine

but every successive one i feel like im not doing muh

much

like a little lost with it

[loud trench]

The logs I’m looking at for N slyv it’s like 150K Of just raw damage

[polar matrix]

is it ok to wait on vandetta to line it up with shiv?

[odd hazel]

@polar matrix because not all CDs are being used with it. it wont show the same result.

[polar matrix]

ro flag

[odd hazel]

uh

Not really no, unless its like 2 seconds i wouldnt bother

[polar matrix]

ok

[odd hazel]

just dont want to miss casts during a fight

[polar matrix]

so say waiting 10 seconds

u still get 3 casts in a fight

is it worth it then?

[odd hazel]

as long as it wont make you lose a cast im sure its fine

but i would just use it on CD either way.

especially shiv

[polar matrix]

i have a log from guardian and i feel like i was in such a weird spot

like i wud vandetta

then half way thru vandetta

have my vanish

[night leaf]

do you guys shiv even if you are energy depleted?

[fallen arch]

Yes

[polar matrix]

ye

[odd hazel]

pooling is important but yeah, slam that shit

[fallen arch]

Unless vendetta is about to come off cd

[polar matrix]

i think idea is u wana try pool pre shiv coming off cd

[dull osprey]

I’m working on only casting envenom for pandemic while outside of burst

Instead of slam-jamming it all the time

[odd hazel]

you can

[night leaf]

yea but pooling can take too long, making you miss a lot of shiv casts

[dull osprey]

I think it doesn’t really matter all that much, but it seems to help with shiv pooling

[rapid forum]

pool pre shiv, if you didnt, unluck, slam it

[dull osprey]

Usually around 50% unless something lined up funky

[prisma coral]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[night leaf]

on envenom, I try to use it in the last sec of EP if talented

[dull osprey]

Thats decent too

[odd hazel]

i think yall are over thinking it

[night leaf]

helps with EP uptime

[sharp stump]

Is there any way to see what stat is ideal for the So'leah trinket?

[dull osprey]

I’m just trying to figure out what I’m doing wrong

[night leaf]

hence we joined ravenholdt

😄

[dull osprey]

So any little changes I’m trying out

[idle star]

Yeh obedience feels bad as assass... desyncs from vendetta

[odd hazel]

you dont sync with vendetta any way

unless you'll miss a cast

[dull osprey]

^

[odd hazel]

you would just get 2 flags between a vendetta

[idle star]

But you dont get 30 stacks as sin

[odd hazel]

you dont need to

its down to a minute with about 23 stacks

[idle star]

To get it to 1 min cd you do

[night leaf]

I am afraid of losing value on obedience by not reaching 30 stacks

[odd hazel]

i was getting it to 25 in M+

and was down to a minute

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull osprey]

Thats if you get 30 stacks in literally 1 second

[idle star]

Gmm.. interesting

[dull osprey]

But time moves on while playing

[odd hazel]

so what its a minute and like

10 seconds?

[dull osprey]

Nah

Its like a min

[odd hazel]

yeah

im not sure why people are pressed about syncing vendetta and flag

[dull osprey]

Because if you are lucky, its 2 globals for full CP

[hollow river]

Yeah seconds pass as you build stacks.. you must count this

[dull osprey]

Then another global for the finisher

So 3s+5-6

Maths

[night leaf]

have you guys figured a way to guarantee 30 stacks?

[hollow river]

Not possible atm

[night leaf]

thought so yea

[odd hazel]

you dont need 30 stacks

[spice spire]

Be sub

[idle star]

Best ive done ST dummy is 25

[tight solar]

Hey all, was the obedience lego nerfed? all the tooltips/info i see online for it says 1% versa per combo point, but my crafted one says 0.5% per combo point. I'm confused

[hollow river]

If you hit 20+ you’re doing well

[night leaf]

without here it’s seal fate dependent

[hollow river]

Yes

[odd hazel]

25 is fine

[spice spire]

Check pins - new one added this am

[odd hazel]

you sitll get down to a minute

[night leaf]

what’s the number of stacks in sim?

[idle star]

Puts my vers upto 30%

[tight solar]

ty all

[odd hazel]

people average 20-23 stacks

sometimes you get 25-28

thats fine

flag will be about a minute

[night leaf]

I think constant 25-27 is possible

[odd hazel]

sure if you're lucky with crits

[hollow river]

Pls

[topaz minnow]

btw.. i think im stupid.. but.. wheres the cdr on flagellation from?

[hollow river]

Your stacks

[night leaf]

obedience lego

[hollow river]

^^^

[topaz minnow]

ohh

[night leaf]

[strange python]

question guys, what do i need? aprox

[gusty mirage]

for what

[strange python]

ST

raid

[dull osprey]

A simc output

[hollow river]

Sim yourself

[gusty mirage]

whatever top gear tells you

[strange python]

goin, thank u

[odd hazel]

Hey oxi

[night leaf]

more haste

[gusty mirage]

hi friend

[gusty mirage]

wrong

[odd hazel]

more haste?

[strange python]

thanks :)

ow..

[odd hazel]

its not that for sure

[hollow river]

No

[cloud bramble]

obey the sims. all I here

[strange python]

goin to sim anyway

[night leaf]

not fir sure but most likely

[odd hazel]

no

[hollow river]

More agility pl0x

[night leaf]

stat weights will tell

[gusty mirage]

Input your simc into top gear @strange python and sim it with 5 minute patchwerk and it'll tell you the best set up from your gear

[harsh anchor]

Someone say the crit meme

[gusty mirage]

Stat Weights is bad

don't use stat weights

[dull osprey]

I’ve noticed my sims taking me further and further away from haste in favor of crit

[hollow river]

No

[odd hazel]

more crit more crit

[strange python]

thanks!

[odd hazel]

thats about it

[hollow river]

Top gear>stat weights

[idle star]

Ok so wait... opener is: mut, SnD, mut, garrote,cd's + flag, rupture, mut, shiv vanish envenom >>>>> ???

[night leaf]

I go harder on crit than haste

[gusty mirage]

top gear will make your life so much easier

[hollow river]

Vanish mut

[gusty mirage]

no more thinking about anything, just plug in the gear you have in your bags and it'll tell you what set up is best for you down to which conduits/soulbind traits to go

[odd hazel]

[dull osprey]

I go:
Mut > snd > Mut > garrote > IQD > Flag > Rupt > vend > Mut to 5-6 > shiv > vanish > envenom

Then party hardy

[odd hazel]

vend should be used before flag

[hollow river]

Shouldn’t u be vanish-mut for CP

THEN envenom

[dull osprey]

Hmm. Maybe thats where Imm bleeding off some dps

I’ll try that out when I get home from work

The vend before flag def makes sense. Idk where I picked up the other rot

[idle star]

Ok this then. Mut, snd, mut, garrote, cd's + flag, rupture, shiv , vanish, mut, envenom, mut, envenom?

[dull osprey]

I like having the cp and shiv going into a vanish for the big envenom and a follow up 4 cp

[teal bloom]

vanish mut and vanish env

doesn't really matter

[dull osprey]

That makes sense

You’ll have 1 finisher and 1 cp gen whichever way you go

Well actually

If you run DS vanish mut is only 4

So you miss an envenom

[idle star]

So we should be using flag again whenver its off cd? Every 2 flags will be crappy low stack ones

[gusty mirage]

yes use flag on cd

[teal bloom]

with vigor you possibly can do envenom -> mut -> envenom but sim api always uses mutilate after vanish

[real bay]

you can, feels good if both env crit

if not,, guh

[dull osprey]

I run deeper strat and blindside cause I like buttons that randomly glow in a fight

So 1 mut, even if both hits crit only gives 4 cp, so I need a follow up mut

I’m not supposed to just slam a 4/6 envenom to try and stay in MA window, right?

[teal bloom]

yeah use builder at 4cp even during ma window

if deeper stratagem

[ashen fulcrum]

anyone else get trolled by unholy aura from Zed breaking you out of stealth?

[teal bloom]

yep 😦

[ashen fulcrum]

zzzz

[hollow river]

That’s what I thought

[dull osprey]

I wonder if blindside vigor is aight. I know my sims keep slapping blindside/ds on the table

[teal bloom]

I think people used blindside vigor at the start of castle nathria. It can be good if you are very undergeared

[dull osprey]

I must be in that weird limbo where I’m not under geared but not well geared

[wide kindle]

Dont forget about the 1 cp from Shiv. most times after the first mut from vanish, im at 5-6

If you build to 5-6cps before Vanish, your essentially throwing away that cp from shiv

[dull osprey]

Sure but I’m still operating under the assumption that 3 envenoms in burst window is better than -1 cp

Granted in conserve phase I often only get 2

[wide kindle]

You should still be able to get 3 envenoms in that opener no?

[dull osprey]

I’d have to try it. My build co before vanish is so ingrained I’m having trouble thinking it

So I’m not gonna take a strong stance either way

May end up to preference

[wide kindle]

I feel it. 15-20mins on dummy before raid is def helpful in ingraining that opener

[teal bloom]

building to 5-6 with deeper stratagem before vanishing in the opener can be quite awkward too because you are so energy starved

[dull osprey]

Also that

But with belf racial its not bad

I’m often racialing before my first garr

Gives me just enough of a bump to get going

[polar matrix]

krey

[crystal vault]

do we ever play around envenoms 30% increased poison application chance besides just AA?

[polar matrix]

guys question for 2nd vandetta/vnaish window

is it worth holding vanish for shiv during vandetta window?

or just pop vanish with vandetta asap to get it on cd

may have worded that weird

[buoyant schooner]

hold shiv for vend/vanish

[fallen fable]

Pi, flag and bl 😄

[dull osprey]

😮

[ashen fulcrum]

new to sin and testing. are you guys consistently able to get max stacks of flag on single target?

[fallen fable]

imagine Euphoria timed in this haha

[odd hazel]

you should be averageing about 20-23 stacks

[ashen fulcrum]

oh ok good

[cedar star]

Is there a channel in the discord for parse help? I just green parsed H Guardian and it looks like my mutilate damage is low, trying to figure out why. I’m thinking I’m not optimizing my envenom windows

[hollow river]

This is so fking hot

[next solar]

anyone have a good elvui nameplate profile for dots? having a hardtime managing seeing dots on 4-5+ targets

[granite fjord]

Has anyone played around with using master assassin over subterfuge?

[hollow river]

See if someone will take a look at your log

[scenic root]

Should use plater

[hollow river]

I Always use master assassin in raid

[scenic root]

A lot cleaner and some good profiles out there

[hollow river]

Subterfuge more of an m+ talent

[granite fjord]

But how is that better than a 3 ambush burst?

[hollow river]

3 ambush?

We don’t ambush from stealth EVER

You use subterfuge for 3 garrotes

[next solar]

only outlaw ambushes from stealth for rtb

[hollow river]

Besides that you ALWAYS mut from stealth

[granite fjord]

Well hell, I’ve been doing that wrong then, lol.

[spice spire]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[spice spire]

Wrong one

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[spice spire]

Just for a “why you do this”

[hollow river]

Unfortunately yes

[granite fjord]

All good, I’m really happy I asked!

You guys and gals are the best

[hollow river]

We’re here to help

Also check out the guides for giga dps

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[carmine minnow]

Could someone check my logs and tell me what i do wrong? Im ranking way too low for my ilvl

[hollow river]

Link log

[carmine minnow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wnGRP1JC6mgQxFXA/#fight=13&source=104

Much appreciated 🙂

[mental trout]

Wait is the dom 3 set bonus chaos bane only active in raid? Doesn’t do any thing in M+?

Am I reading this right or no. That would suck!!!

[buoyant schooner]

bonus only works in raid, but the gem effect works outside as well

set bonus*

[hollow river]

You’re wasting a few combo points, not many though

[manic pebble]

which shard do you think is the best right now?

[odd hazel]

unhly set + damaging ones from the two others

[mental trout]

You can only have 5 gems right? The unholy set takes 3, I guess the other set only takes 2? Or can you only have one bonus

[hollow river]

Your bleed uptime looks decent

Idk

[manic pebble]

yea you can have 5 gems

but only 1 bonus set

[hollow river]

I’m at work so I can’t look very closely at the logs rn but I only see 7 wasted combo points

[north pecan]

What are the main points to look for on sin logs? To study your own logs?

[hollow river]

Wasted combo points and billed uptime are big

[scenic root]

You cap energy and wasted a lot. Try to not cap. Also your bleed uptime is fine( could be a little higher) but you are refreshing early resulting in wasted resources. Only refresh in pandemic

Also, should vendetta before flag

[cedar star]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RrpZgNL4KcFPYfJ2/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=26 so nearest I can tell looking over my log and comparing, my envenom dmg is hella low. Im running elaborate plan and Vigor instead of Blindside and DS, and maim, mangle instead of well placed steel. Do 6cp envenoms explain the difference?

[small bramble]

whats considered bad wasted energy i average around 500

[dark basalt]

it depends on the fight mostly

[cedar star]

Or am I just fucking my shiv windows

[scenic root]

And you delayed vanish. Should shiv vanish then go into mut/envenom

[dark basalt]

you should go well-placed steel for ST

[cedar star]

I’m realizing that mistake now

[hollow river]

Not necessarily

[cedar star]

I just wanted to make sure it wasn’t something glaring I was doing. Since I gold parsed Eye then shit the bed on guardian

[hollow river]

97% is pretty decent

[scenic root]

Mmhm, nvm I mis read it

[hollow river]

Envenom buff uptime is a little low

[cedar star]

Like is part of it fight length? Not pooling enough?

[hollow river]

But that’s not as big of a deal

Fight length can play a big role yes

Pooling is a minor gain

For min maxers

[cedar star]

I was running weighstones instead of oils

And I don’t have a good on use

[hollow river]

This is fine

[cedar star]

I’m running Phial and titanic

[hollow river]

Doesn’t matter that much just sim your upgrades

What’s your ilvl

[cedar star]

228

[hollow river]

I also wouldn’t worry about ilvl parses much

Just the main parse

[carmine minnow]

Thank you both 🙂

[odd hazel]

a lot of things go into parses tbh. they are hard to get sometimes with out some decent groups

[cedar star]

Anyways, yea, any ideas what would explain my low envenom dmg vs top parses? Not running Deeper?

[odd hazel]

crit RNG happens

[strange python]

Zero unholy shards so far. This system is going to be infuriating isn't it

[hollow river]

Top parses asp pool for envenoms

And get max uptime on envenom buff

But like I said that’s miniscule

[scenic root]

Parsing is good to reflect on your performance and learn where you can improve. So don't get discouraged that a parse is lower than others.

[hollow river]

They’re just getting off more envenoms

[cedar star]

I actually got off more envenoms

[strange silo]

Hey guys vigor becomes better with low haste right?

[cedar star]

Mine just hit like 1.5k less

[strange python]

Could be elaborate planning, crits, gear more generally

[scenic root]

It's kinda a feelycraft. Sims will show what's better

[hollow river]

More gear. Talents. Anything different can cause this.

[flat vine]

it looks like your master assasssin usage isnt very good @carmine minnow

you also didnt use an augment rune

are you using a personal food buff and not a feast?

[strange silo]

@scenic root im at 12% haste and in sims it still says vigor is 70dps loss :d just thought maybe in a real fight it will be better with low haste

[hollow river]

Secondary stats aren’t that important

[odd hazel]

also

you gotta think

some people at teh same ilvl

have everything they need

including dom gems

etc

[cedar star]

And sylv weapons

[strange python]

secondary stats aren't as important as main stat or especially weapon dmg

[cedar star]

And good trinkets

[odd hazel]

so even if you play absolutely perfect

you';re behind someone because of gear

[frigid kestrel]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[cedar star]

All my ilvl is in like gloves and bracers

I got shit on for weapons and trinkets

[odd hazel]

i got a frost shard that was pretty decent, a neck, shadowgrasp totem, and a weap so far thsi week

pretty meh

besides the totem

[cedar star]

Shadowgrasp seems huge

Some parses it’s like 8% dmg

[flat vine]

I just started my rogue as my secondary a month or so ago, and I just got 2 daggers from korthia daily quest. I was so happy

[winged rock]

I'm switching from Outlaw to Assa for this patch and getting daggers is a pain, i've got one korthia one to 220, but finding another is a drag.

[odd hazel]

it is, just everything else is pretty meh

wish i could get more dom sockets/etc

[plucky quail]

Humble brag I managed to pull a 252 dagger from my vault this week as the only item option that I had in there

It felt pretty good

[flat vine]

wow I hate you

[odd hazel]

246 weap here

:^)

242*]

[flat vine]

I bet you guys bought GME when it was a dollar too

[odd hazel]

tbh i killed sylv for the first time just now and

hoping i get it in vault

GME?

[plucky quail]

Man I should have gotten in on GME 😩😩

[flat vine]

@odd hazel Game stop stock

[odd hazel]

ahhh

[limber lion]

aight

stinky boys are back

[odd hazel]

cev

no

say it aint so

[hollow river]

Umm

What

[flat vine]

who are these boys? and why are they stinky?

[buoyant schooner]

do they watch anime?

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[odd hazel]

you'll come back when we get our final trait

YOU'll---- hope you enjoy it!

i have the switch quest completed

been debating it just dont want to do renown again

[plucky quail]

Grinding renown all over again is so tedious

[odd hazel]

im at 38 on necro just

cant be asked to do it right now

[stoic hollow]

Is obedience still best leg for assa ?

[odd hazel]

pins

short answer, most have it as a loss on pure ST by like 50-80ish

and beating zold on M+ with triple theotar

[marble hemlock]

good boy

[odd hazel]

seliathan

[graceful mirage]

ew necrolord #gothbois4lyfe

[nova flax]

Kryian sin is bis. Ur all wrong.

[odd hazel]

kick this guy

[light spear]

I’m switching back too I can’t take it anymore

[odd hazel]

Look what you did cev

daddy sire will be displeased

[light spear]

Daddy sire DEAD

daddy jailer tho

[graceful mirage]

i've been Venthyr since day 1 and i'll stay with my gothbois

[marble hemlock]

youll all come back

dont worry

[odd hazel]

always second best

[azure bronze]

I am going to try out obedience in tonights raid

and then I might swap back too

[buoyant schooner]

now that´s a high quality meme

[nova flax]

But seliathan what if i was never necro to begin with

[marble hemlock]

then youre beyond help

[spice spire]

NL is bis tho

[marble hemlock]

played some deathspike earlier, actually felt pretty solid

[graceful mirage]

Necrolord? more like

[spice spire]

It feels good to be back home

[graceful mirage]

necroBORE

[odd hazel]

Deadlord

[azure bronze]

For both assa and OL ;o?

[spice spire]

Silence diaper race

[marble hemlock]

assa

[odd hazel]

Dont make me come for those ankles mana addict

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

hard to judge tho, cause i had a fae priest simp me most dungeons

so cant really tell how much better/worse its on aoe than zold

[worldly forum]

with obedience, using flag twice on CD w/ 23+ stacks I usually end up with a 25s gap between the time vendetta comes up and flag comes up, is that normal?

[wind totem]

Do I use flagelation on cd or time it with vendetta?

[graceful mirage]

on an unrelated note, what spec are y'all using for torghast?

[odd hazel]

on CD

Slam that shit

unless you'll miss a cast

[wind totem]

Outlaw all the way

[limber lion]

[marble hemlock]

assa ofc

[limber lion]

Yeh, assa for everything.

[odd hazel]

I thought you were one of us cev

[marble hemlock]

onetapping mobs with bonespike

[odd hazel]

yo uwere teh chosen one

[limber lion]

raids? assa. m+? assa. torghast? assa.

[marble hemlock]

is so neat

[gusty breach]

hotel?

[marble hemlock]

i do prefer outlaw or sub on worldquest stuff tho

[drifting cloud]

trivago

[limber lion]

I enjoy 400k bonespikes more than a few more lashes on Flag

[graceful mirage]

yeah i like sub for world stuff

[marble hemlock]

ma outlaw is just very smooth and quick

[gusty breach]

trivago

[graceful mirage]

and i try to avoid outlaw if possible

[marble hemlock]

exactly

or oneshotting a boss with fleshcraft

[uncut bobcat]

is it worth to use crimson tempest in ST when ur specced into it?

[odd hazel]

yes

[marble hemlock]

not always

if you have really low haste

its not

[odd hazel]

imagine not having 20%+ haste

[marble hemlock]

and obviously you dont wanna use it during shiv

[graceful mirage]

yeah the main problem woth venthyr is how awful the anima powers are on torghast

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/HWxPq/d00551d8a0.png

rip my haste value

[odd hazel]

my haste is never that low for some reason

and i have 24%

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/HWxPO/14d1969791.jpg

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[odd hazel]

holy

shit

[gusty breach]

is that pre alacrity?

[marble hemlock]

ye

[gusty breach]

😮

[odd hazel]

how in the world

[graceful mirage]

meanwhile im like

[marble hemlock]

i mean, its with haste gems/ecnhants, need to swap them again

[graceful mirage]

M A S T E R Y

[odd hazel]

thats

still a fuck ton

im at 32% crit and 24% haste

thats

nuts

[gusty breach]

ye, 24% haste is what i got

[marble hemlock]

wait i had wrong gearset

[gusty breach]

in sin

[marble hemlock]

its 36.82haste actually, forgot to equip 252 ocular

[scenic root]

Assassination in torghast is poggers. Dots do so much dmg

[supple jewel]

Slam unless you won’t get an extra use by slamming (3:00-3;40 ish fight lengths). Then just hold for vendetta. But fights are kinda long atm. Oh and if you’re using obedience, always slam I’d say

[graceful mirage]

this game just wants to give me mastery and nothing else

[wind totem]

Thanks

[marble hemlock]

maybe one bright and shiny day ill get dom shards as well

[odd hazel]

i have only gotten 2 frost shards

feelsgood

[copper sundial]

seliathan thats your raid gear yeah?

[marble hemlock]

mhye

[graceful mirage]

i've gotten like 2 blood shards

[odd hazel]

Agility
3.50
Off Hand Weapon DPS
2.55
Haste
1.69
Critical Strike
1.68
Versatility
1.57
Mastery
1.43
Weapon DPS
17.04

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[marble hemlock]

thats m+

[copper sundial]

thats alot of crit

[graceful mirage]

then again since my core is still reforming, we haven't had chance to even try hero

[alpine garden]

Give red ink talent pls

[wind totem]

I just went venthyr. Whats the best way to farm renown? There are no raids for CN normal/hc to get it from there.

for obvious reasons

[uncut bobcat]

with 15% haste? @marble hemlock

26 with alacrity

[marble hemlock]

yeah, havent gotten a lot of mastery pieces yet

[uncut bobcat]

for crimson tempest

[marble hemlock]

would love to drop more haste

[graceful mirage]

you can catchup renown with m+, can't you?

[supple jewel]

Not playing outlaw in M+ 😳

[sturdy merlin]

@marble hemlock do you follow sims for gearing in m+ ?

[plucky quail]

You can get renown out of LFR as well. Then just M+ and the normal stuff

[graceful mirage]

you wanna trade with me? i could get rid of some mastery

[marble hemlock]

who needs outlaw

[graceful mirage]

outlaw stinky

[marble hemlock]

when you can do almost 10k in theater of pain

[pure moth]

Howww

[marble hemlock]

10.8 in mists :/

[alpine garden]

Hacking, obviously

[marble hemlock]

well my gear is pretty good

[fallen arch]

PI’s all round

[marble hemlock]

and again, got PI+faerie

[fallen arch]

But still pretty nutty

With deathspike?

[marble hemlock]

ye

[fallen arch]

I wanna try it out

[marble hemlock]

theater was zoldyck

[fallen arch]

It looked fun on your stream

[marble hemlock]

dont think deathspike is valuable in top

but i can see it being played in like

mists, plaguefall, dos, halls of atonement

maybe sanguine

but its still only a marginal dps gain over zoldyck on aoe, and kinda useless on st

[copper sundial]

hmm

[granite lance]

i have an awkward question, are there any good macros to reduce the amount of buttons to press? i've got an mmo mouse but it's making my thumb hurt pressing all the buttons on the side 😦

[supple jewel]

I thought it was trash now because nerfs? Outlaw was abusing it

[fallen arch]

Yeah, that’s what’s worrying me

[marble hemlock]

with pride gone and no more massive st burst classes like mage or convoke boomy, bosses will live longer, probably 2min+ even on fortified highkeys, and at that point zoldyck is just the best value as youd get a second vendetta on bosses during execute

[fallen arch]

Its probably pretty bad for tyrannical too

[marble hemlock]

not necessarily

shorter trashfights would benefit deathspike more imo

[fallen arch]

Yeah but it’s the boss fights that count there

[marble hemlock]

its not like zoldyck gives us a few thousand extra DPS tho

you get the second vendetta in execute on tyrannical for sure, but thats pmuch it

[fallen arch]

Yeah exactly

[scenic meteor]

what leggo you using here?

[marble hemlock]

and as i said earlier, probably get those on fortified even

[marble hemlock]

zoldyck

[scenic meteor]

have you tried obedience?

or are you necro

[fallen arch]

Can you show dps breakdown?

On one of the deathspike keys

[marble hemlock]

im necro

fucking embeds slow as fuck

that was from mists

[fringe matrix]

Damn bonespikes pump

[keen flint]

Do you recommand I upgrade fast Shard of Dyz ?

especially for raiding as assa

[wind totem]

Not to max

cuz you will lose on dom bonus

[marble hemlock]

being able to quickly get the dot up on 5+ targets is definitely pretty big

[wind totem]

once you start getting domination bonus

you need all shard to be on the same level

[fallen arch]

Yeah

[keen flint]

Oh alright

[fallen arch]

Its a shit ton of extra cp

[marble hemlock]

its a bit awkward to use, cause not every bonespiked target that dies will give a charge refunded

only the ones you hardcasted spike on

[fallen arch]

Yeah was wondering about that

Would have been too I guess

[marble hemlock]

secondary spikes dont refund a charge unless you also at some point hardcasted on them

[fallen arch]

Too strong *

[marble hemlock]

it sucks for prio, honestly

i.e. 3rd boss plaguefall, ideally youd just spam SBS into boss, get dots up on the adds, and then get charges refunded

but maybe they thought that would be too strong

[fallen arch]

Yeah

[marble hemlock]

but its annoying because SBS with deathspike doesnt smartcast like moonfire does, where it will always hit a target without the debuff

or maybe it does and there were other reasons for it to not go on the non-sbs target yet

[fallen arch]

Yeah I have been wondering the same with CT btw

Does the dot on big packs target mobs that don’t have it yet or is it completely random

[marble hemlock]

CT is completely random

sbs seems fairly consistent in targeting mobs without the debuff

the secondary spike, that is

so technically casting on a 20pack should give you 10 sbs dots in 5gcds, assuming you cast it on targets without the dot

which is pretty solid cleave

or rather, sustained aoe

[winged kindle]

Is there a way to differentiate the secondary spike from primary spike?

[marble hemlock]

nope

maybe a weakaura will let you do it

casting sbs applies an invisible debuff to the target, that counts the target as having a bonespike up, even if it doesnt. its why on deny you got 5 CP from a single bonespike in p3, cause it still counted these "debuffs" for the cp gen

its also why you can bonespike target dummies in the sanctum, then hearthstone to OG, go into a raid, log out and log back in, to find all your bonespikes gone. and then cast 1 bonespike and still get 5cp from it

[fallen arch]

Yeah thought so.. so unfair

[marble hemlock]

cause that invisible tracker is still present somehow

[winged kindle]

I see, so the game tracks the primary spikes for refund. But the secondary also trigger additional CP?

[marble hemlock]

yeah

its weird

the problem is i cant really say

if additional debuffs are counted for extra cp or not

cause sbs already has really inconsistent cp gen

[restive mural]

yo ive got zoldyk already but gonna craft raid leggo now, should i go obedience or doomblade - im scared obedience gets nerfed

[marble hemlock]

since you get 1-3cp from a bonespike, depending on whether it crits and whether or not it generated 1 extra cp from itself

[winged kindle]

Yeah that inconsistency takes a bit of getting used to, but I’ll craft Deathspike tonight and give it a whirl

[copper sundial]

Obedience already got nerfed

[marble hemlock]

but im psure the secondary spike dots do not count towards generating extra CP

[restive mural]

oh and its still the best?

[marble hemlock]

only the ones you hardcasted on and thus applied the "invisible" debuffs on

[serene scaffold]

Couldn’t you just test it by casting a second and if it generates 5+ then it counts em

[marble hemlock]

would need further testing

again, the problem is that its not that easy to test

i.e.

[copper sundial]

Its been varying from person to person on sims. But you can check the pins for whispyrs sims.

[marble hemlock]

i casted 1 spike, which applied 2 debuffs, which gave 3cp. i casted another one on a new target, which also gave 3cp

so did it work or not?

did it generate an extra cp from itself while not counting the secondary debuff from the first spike
or
did it count the secondary from the debuff from the first spike but not generate an additional one from itself?

i have no way of knowing 😛

[restive mural]

cheers i reckon im gonna go doomblade just incase i switch covenant :))

[copper sundial]

yeah i'm gonna upgrade doomblade first aswell

[restive mural]

doomblade and zoldyk i reckon

[copper sundial]

yap

[restive mural]

im attached to my zoldyck cause of the reference ahah

[visual prairie]

so sub sims more than 5% higher for me on patchwork with obedience. could that be the bug with the nightly overvalueing obedience?

[fringe matrix]

yeah

put it to weekly

its pinned

[serene scaffold]

Ya but if it ever generates 5+ on the second cast that would mean it has to count the secondary I mean right? @marble hemlock

That’s all I meant

Since 3 is max from one, 4 would be max from second cast IF it doesn’t count the secondary right?

But you could get 5 cp if it counts the secondary

[marble hemlock]

mmmmh

true

[serene scaffold]

I don’t have the leggo I just resubbed last week so I can’t test

But math sounds right to me

[frosty cedar]

what changed to cause an increase in simcraft sims for all specs?

[marble hemlock]

well, it doesnt

with 4debuffs

you can still get a 3cp SBS

which should be impossible unless the secondary debuffs do not count for the purposes of generating CP

🍝

[serene scaffold]

Ya but best case scenario assuming it all works you could get 5 from second cast only if it counts

[marble hemlock]

yeah

theyre both edge cases that are only possible in one of the two situations

but yeah that further increases the need for tabtargeting your main-SBS target for CP generation purposes

[serene scaffold]

Right

[marble hemlock]

cause evne having 5 debuffs up would still only give a 2cp spike, if 4 out of the 5 were secondary targets

[serene scaffold]

Exactly

[quaint sequoia]

torghast is so fucking aids on rogue

tank dh was so nice

[sudden hound]

Try it on mage

[quaint sequoia]

nah fuck ranged

never enjoyed it

[sudden hound]

I feel so squish on my mage

[narrow ravine]

Its still possible to 5 star torghast as a rogue, just some RNG luck on the right anima powers

[marble hemlock]

double necro rogue new meta, have 5 spikes, get 2 refunded all the time. spike the world.

[quaint sequoia]

never gotten more than 3 stars

on my dh I face roll and get 5stars

[marble hemlock]

assa feels incredibly easy for torghast when you have some decent gear tho

can kite everything and itll bleed out

[quaint sequoia]

at 220 rn

[marble hemlock]

id look at what you get points for when doing a 3star, and checking what bonus points you couldve gotten but missed

[narrow ravine]

there is a list of things to do

[scenic root]

I ended a run doing 60k dps, got into vault and did 180k dps on vault boss. Sin is fine in torghast.

Rupture ticking for 70k each, ez clap

[narrow ravine]

but you can get screwed on some basic anima powers, its still RNG

[quaint sequoia]

So sad they put time score in torghast, in 9.0 I played torghast semi afk

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/HWysi/5c4631eb34.png

[narrow ravine]

the shadowstep makes everyone within 8 yards take 500% extra damage from the next spender you use on them

that one is op

[marble hemlock]

most of these you can get fairly easily, keep in mind that doing any of these while youre empowered gives you extra points

and you dont need a whole lot of those to hit 200

you get 99-100 from completion anyway

[scenic root]

I got that dmg with a shaman and priest in group. Over 150% haste with pi and lust.

[marble hemlock]

~30-45 from time, depending on how slow you take things, 10-15 from epowered

so picking up another 50 points from teh bonus objectives shouldnt be too hard

[scenic root]

Always choose lense too

[narrow ravine]

and don't die, its minus -20 per death

if you die, just restart it

I stack that leech one, high chance to heal for 5% of your max health, grab that 2-3 times and you are done with defensives

[quaint sequoia]

What do u get from vault boss?

gear?

[odd heath]

Chance on cosmetics

[rapid veldt]

mog, conduit upgrades

[odd heath]

And conduit upgrade

[odd hazel]

sockets

[quaint sequoia]

fuck, was hoping it wasn't any player power stuff. If it was only cosmetics I would cba

and get floor upgrades on my dh

[odd hazel]

you dont need to do that

you get all the layers on every character

i believe

once you unlock them on one

[quaint sequoia]

yes

That what I meant, I struggle to unlock next floor with rogue but on dh its cakewalk

[odd hazel]

form a group

[quaint sequoia]

cba pugs

[rigid pecan]

assassination is better than sub to raids?

im thinking about changing to assassination and necrolord

[limber lion]

They're both good specs.

[quaint sequoia]

Can u reset the box of many things?

[graceful mirage]

what would be a good choice of stats for Obedience if i plan to use it for multiple specs(mainly Ass with a side of Sub)

[limber lion]

Crit/Vers

[scenic root]

Not that anyone is aware of

[quaint sequoia]

another dumb decision by blizz

[odd hazel]

you'll upgrade it all any way

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic root]

You couldn't reset visions talent tree

[azure bronze]

Is it worth to recraft zoldycks to crit mast ?

[scenic root]

As weeks past you get all upgrades so won't matter.

[azure bronze]

Since it's always used in M+ now really

[quaint sequoia]

doesn't help me now tho

[odd hazel]

pick smarter

[scenic root]

What do you need now so badly? They all help in one way or another

[graceful mirage]

yeah no upgrade is significant enough to be worth resetting anyways

[limber lion]

Sure

[winged basin]

GOTTEM good

[velvet falcon]

anyone know if Salvaged Fussion is for assa

[azure bronze]

yeah it is

[limber lion]

It's fine

[winged basin]

Is that the guardian trinket?

[scenic root]

Even the vault isn't worth stressing over. At this point no reported socket item drops. May not drop from the layers open yet, or was changed from PTR

And conduits dropping is a small increase, but you can get them up in korthia/raid.

[quaint sequoia]

I remember torghast as sub rogue pre-nerf necro on beta, good times

[cobalt pelican]

fusion amp is very very good

[timid talon]

My guild has gotten multiple sockets from vaults.

[timid talon]

its fine, not as good as phial or totem, but close to totem

[river kelp]

Hi. I have one question. I will raid today first time really as assasination rogue. I do know the singletarget opener and i play with the masterassasin talent. There is just one question in have.

How do i initiate my burst again, while already beeing on the boss? Is it just refreshing rupture and garrote to shiv> vendetta > vanish > mutilate to max >envenom or is that wrong?

(im playing doomblade and necrolord)

[velvet falcon]

from pleaguefall prsion to dos prison i see

[harsh rapids]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[timid talon]

That's the secret, its all prison

[cobalt pelican]

are you confusing the adamant vaults with the actual vault

[burnt lynx]

quick question: do you hold flagellation 30s for vendetta or use on cd

[obsidian socket]

salvaged fusion amp is top on rogue trinkets bloodmallet

[cobalt pelican]

for reference on my profile my normal fusion amp sims within margin of my 236 shadowgrasp

[timid talon]

bloodmallet

[cobalt pelican]

so i'm fairly certain a heroic fusion amp will be competitive with a max upgraded shadowgrasp

[buoyant schooner]

is Decanter of endless howling good for sin?

[hollow river]

Shouldn’t be using zoldycks unless you don’t have obedience though?

[limber lion]

It's fine.

[mental trout]

Sucks I have a 229 totem but I can’t upgrade it

Since I got it week one

Stupid

[hollow river]

I didn’t bother with much keys week 1

You can’t upgrade week 1 loot?

[cobalt pelican]

yeah you can

just costs 800 extra valor

[hollow river]

Thought you could

Wow wtf

[scenic meteor]

Poison bomb or CT for the nine?

[hollow river]

I use CT

Personally

[mental trout]

Wait how do you uograde them?

Mine doesn’t say like 8/12

[hollow river]

Weird

[cobalt pelican]

the same way you upgrade everything else, they aren't special items

fx all looted last week

[hollow river]

Did u get it from vault or dungeon

[hollow river]

Because u can’t upgrade vault loot

[manic haven]

blade of lifetaker or 30% agility on tarragu emythic boys?

The % heealth steal

[strange python]

You can upgrade vault loot if it's below 240 I believe

[azure bronze]

You can upgrade vault loot as long as it's below 246

[hollow river]

Nah u need the power that makes u bigger (I’m trolling don’t hurt me)

[azure bronze]

and you have the 2k rating achievement

[scenic root]

They aren't on loot table on wowhead for adamant vaults final boss. Conduits are but not sockets

[hollow river]

Really?

[frosty bridge]

ER+Vigor vs BS+MA on Tarragrue for dem logs?

Or well, either of the combinations

[hollow river]

I guess I’m used to getting 226 gear last season so I couldn’t upgrade it lmao

[hollow river]

No one gonna care about grue logs lol

[frosty bridge]

I do, that's why I am asking

[hollow river]

You shouldn’t

[frosty bridge]

ok

[hollow river]

Lol

[mental trout]

I guess other then the eye and painsmith you can run CT on every thing else?

[hollow river]

Didn’t WCL turn something off for grue?

[mental trout]

What’s grue?

[hollow river]

Depends how long your raid let’s adds live

[cerulean nest]

stocks are rising boys

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/deRNgWCQpeb2ZJXD5Z3ozq

[hollow river]

IMO

[hollow river]

Terragrue

No point running CT if adds are nuked

[mental trout]

True

Fucking 252 wep…

I still have a 213 lmao makes me sick

[vestal wren]

alright, raidbots fixed 🙂

[hollow river]

So tired of seeing people with 252 weapons/phials ):

[hollow river]

How was it broken? O:

[vestal wren]

obedience did sim to high in latest nightly

but seri did rebuild, now it sims correct

[mental trout]

Yea this Saturday/ Sunday I have a full leather stack group. Veng Dh, Rdruid, rogue, havoc, monk

[cerulean nest]

you going doom first fuu?

[vestal wren]

i play sub, so i go obedience

[cerulean nest]

ah

hows it feelin so far

[mental trout]

I’m just staying necro doom fook it

Plus I love PvP and necro is sick

[hollow river]

What a chad

[graceful mirage]

necro bad

gothbois good

[carmine minnow]

Hey! Thanks for looking into that! Yes i was using the 20 agility feast and no augment rune since it was a normal run

[torpid patio]

Quick question! I was playing necro for outlaw m+ while raiding as sin, but now I'm playing sub for m+
Do I switch venthyr for it since sbs is hardly used for m+ sub?

[rapid forum]

so, with [Salvaged Fusion Amplifier]

[plain thistle]

if you plan to play assa/sub venthyr is the best option for sure

[rapid forum]

do we line it up with vendetta?

[torpid patio]

tyty

[rapid forum]

the on use trinket from guardian

[hollow river]

If it’s a 2min sure

[rapid forum]

1,5

[plain thistle]

no reason to use it with vendetta

[hollow river]

Then no I doubt

[plain thistle]

since vendetta doesnt do anything to the trinket

just use on CD

[hollow river]

Just slam trinkets on CD lol

[spice spire]

Just like shiv

[rapid forum]

might as well just macro it together with muti than hm?

[hollow river]

Idk

[ocean jasper]

I use mine with flag

[hollow river]

I use another bind for trinket

[plain thistle]

use another bind, what if you want to use it for AoE?

[rapid forum]

than i spec OL

[plain thistle]

mutilate just to cast the trinket

[hollow river]

......

“Then I spec OL”

Didn’t know it was a spec

[cerulean nest]

best time to pop shadowgrasp totem?

right before pack dies in m+?

[hollow river]

No

Well nvm maybe

Idk

[cerulean nest]

not "right before" but like

[hollow river]

Forgot about the CDR

[cerulean nest]

in the middle of a pack

is what i assuje

[hollow river]

Less than 15 seconds from anything dying lol

[inland oasis]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[scenic root]

You want to just use for dmg. If things die, cool. If not it's fine. The sims don't account for the CDR, it's good dmg without it. Just use it and don't waste the dmg by things all being dead before it ends

[hollow river]

What’s the target cap on it

5 or 8 I’m assuming

[scenic root]

It's one target

[teal mountain]

why all rogue assa in the raid dont have blindside ?

[scenic root]

Read the tooltip, it does dmg to current target.

[hollow river]

Plenty of fights with adds idk

I heard EP deeper might become possible this tier

Idk if that’s a thing yet tho I don’t think so

[teal mountain]

actually they all have EP on nine

i think this is why no ?

[hollow river]

The nine has cleave

It’s not ST

Blindside/deeper strat are the usual for pure ST fights

[teal mountain]

kk thx

[hollow river]

No problem

[tired vessel]

[hollow river]

I can’t

I’m using a piece of new crafted gear

[teal mountain]

with obe we really need deeper ç_ç

[hollow river]

New crafted gear last I checked is still broken in raidbots

It will sim with 1 or 3 secondary stats instead of 2

[quaint sequoia]

the par times in torghast, is those fixed numbers or do they change depending on how fast other players are?

[limber lion]

You can still play EP/Vig just fine if you want.

[chrome mirage]

Seems like most rogues on warcraft logs are using ep/vig

[real solar]

Cev, i love u

[strange python]

are Pieces rogues playing sub on painsmith for double step?

[deft wagon]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[south hollow]

When do we wanna use vendetta on Guardian?

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

Just on CD

[south hollow]

grape

Thank you cev uwu

How's progression going?

[ebon bramble]

how is assassination compared to sub for m+?

[jovial horizon]

pug priest was giving me pis all night in sod, pink across the board 😌

[dusk summit]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[spice spire]

Disgusting and unethical smh.

Grats king tho

[alpine latch]

I really wish the guide for SoD was updated

I refuse to believe that B/MA/DS/PB is the right choice for talents on Sylvanas.

[glass gate]

are people thinking obedience is gonna be the play for raid? Or are most sticking with doomblades

[alpine latch]

DB sims higher for me with ST, so pure ST I'll rock DB still. I haven't simmed 2T or 3T yet

[glass gate]

I made a 235 obe and really like the way it feels

still afraid to commit to the 249 though

[spice spire]

Difference is so small

[peak bobcat]

Doomblade for life

[spice spire]

I’m holding until t6

[lethal zodiac]

should i reroll venthyr if im necro? for mythic rading & m+

[glass gate]

yea the stat increase on cloak is so small its not worth if for me right now to risk wasting soul cinders

[alpine latch]

Not really, it's pretty close. Unless you're pushing HoF and the extra 100 DPS means a raid slot or not, I wouldn't worry about it.

[scenic root]

Do you play only sin? Or do you play sub too. Or outlaw? Can't make a choice just on "which one is better", no true answer to that

[lethal zodiac]

id play sin / outlaw i guess

since outlaw is better for high keys from what ive seen

[scenic root]

Necro will be better for m+ and outlaw, venthyr will be better for sin and raid. Both work for both specs. So really up to you if you find the difference meaningful

[lethal zodiac]

can i somehow test flag?

[proud monolith]

where can i find info for domination shards for rogues? What are we supposed to be socketing, just unholy bonus?

[harsh anchor]

Praise

[lethal zodiac]

i rly like bonespike

[alpine latch]

That info is literally in the guide my guy.

[lethal zodiac]

but id like to test flag somehow

[alpine latch]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[scenic root]

Then stay necro

[harsh anchor]

If you ain’t hurting in progress and can mess around, swap to venth for a couple weeks and go back if you don’t like it

[graceful mirage]

yeah, you can check the pins for the damage comparisons

necro isn't significantly behind

so you will do competitive damage. if you like your cov, stay on it

[scenic root]

And most fights have an add you can throw a SBS into and you get increased CP

[restive falcon]

what r the stat weights for venthyr sub rogue? crit/vers?

[lone wren]

im enjoying watching all the rogues in world first race right now. :\

[harsh anchor]

A sub rogue might know

[restive falcon]

i thought i was in general knai

lmao**

[halcyon zealot]

pieces is playing 2, tisumi is streaming

[lethal zodiac]

PF

[graceful mirage]

yeah the pf trinket is fukin nuts

[toxic ivy]

honestly, class balance is meh right now in comparison to shard balance. don't get 3pc dont get a spot in anything top 50 lol

[graceful mirage]

shards only obtainable by drop, right?

[limber lion]

Yes. You're either lucky or unlucky.

I'm the latter kind

[lethal zodiac]

ye id just want to try how flag plays idk its stupid

[halcyon zealot]

yep 1 chance per boss per week regardless of difficulty