So I may as well stay
#assassination
fleet anchor
narrow ravine
im still necro as well
fleet anchor
But probably will swap on the weekend
odd hazel
The difference is barely anything. If I wasn’t lazy I’d prob finish necro
narrow ravine
sorta fortunate that both doomblade and obedience are on the same slot
loud hearth
Is that only for Venthyr? I'm Necro atm so currently I : Rupture > BS > Vendetta > Shiv. Is that wrong?
rustic whale
i m really in limbo atm should i make obedience or continue to doomblade
fleet anchor
Necro is in a somewhat unique situation of being like the only Covenant to get a DPS trait this week
odd hazel
Sim your self
indigo mulch
I really dislike venthyr. Ita much more engaging to play sbs
visual prairie
waht is the new thing that procs on abilities and breaks you of stealth? was that a trinket
fleet anchor
and Carver's Eye is pretty nice for M+
narrow ravine
I feel like SBS has more room for errors not spending it correctly
fleet anchor
And I'm gonna be doing a lot of M+ this week
narrow ravine
getting optimal use out of SBS seems harder than obedience
rustic whale
aight thank you i m gonna give a try now
noble umbra
craft obedience on what slot?
thorny pond
cloak
red atlas
Doomblade still best leggo for ST right?
thorny pond
essentially
cloud bramble
waht is the new thing that procs on abilities and breaks you of stealth? was tha...
one of the unholy gems
red bloom
any lucky daggie boys?
cloud bramble
only 1 252?
odd hazel
252/246/242. didnt do that many keys
cloud bramble
Crit/haste gloves or a 242 dagger
I'd have to go with the dagger
arctic hare
I got a 226 dagger and a grim codex
spice spire
@odd hazel how much raiding you doing chief?
subtle tundra
normal sylv weapon in vault
raidbots tells me to get 252 fake phial
you can farm 2 good trinks
odd hazel
<@!174732908689489920> how much raiding you doing chief?
true true
bleak sky
you can farm 2 good trinks
you've got a point
static mirage
252 scalpel lads
barren vessel
Is this the play?
odd hazel
HOLY
gusty mirage
Is this the play?
yes
odd hazel
TAKE THAT SHIT
arctic hare
EPIC
safe barn
Is this the play?
Is this what luck is about
green flame
holyyyy
wise gull
i hate domination sockets
barren vessel
gusty mirage
kek
gusty mirage
can't wait to log in and see my 4 boxes of disappointment 🙂
spice spire
so far I'm there king
gusty mirage
maybe this is the week I get a max ilvl phial out of the gvault
spice spire
ring of perpetual conflict, haste vers head, and trailspinner pendant
bleak sky
Is this the play?
somber breach
do we use dom socket chest piece?
wise gull
yes
timid talon
😔 all garbage
azure bronze
do we use dom socket chest piece?
Head, chest, shoulders, gloves and boots
carmine dawn
is decanter simbait-ish still?
safe barn
gottem
azure bronze
😔 all garbage
The 246 chest not an upgrade?
wise gull
😔 all garbage
garbage?
iron orchid
that's POG
wise gull
the neck is pog
heavy coral
cloud bramble
whats the affixes this week?
timid talon
The 246 chest not an upgrade?
doesnt have a dom socket
odd hazel
doesnt have a dom socket
just get the neck weird champ
wise gull
only raid gear has dom sockets
iron orchid
For now my best loots in dungeons were 2 stitchflesh daggers ....
wide ridge
ring is so juicy tho 
somber hill
cedar star
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/697610956879953970/864533418310107146/unknown.png I don’t actually know what to do with this box
iron orchid
if you have a 226 one, probably won't be an upgrade that big
odd hazel
all these trinkets
green flame
PHIAl!
odd hazel
fuck the lot of you
somber hill
got dat phial
iron orchid
Worst case, just copy simc with vault open, and try top gear
somber hill
not sure if 252 dag better tho tbh
cedar star
Anyone have any opinions?
odd hazel
or we ban you
thorny nest
249 phial...
swift lodge
What piece do i put obedience on? Cloak?
iron orchid
but there's only one place you can get the trinket from
iron orchid
What piece do i put obedience on? Cloak?
yup
steel bane
no phial but got dagger, fine I gues
safe barn
Yo
timid cloud
Sheeeeeeeeeeesh...
safe barn
Valor goes up to how much?
wide ridge
Is head a domination socket piece?
for us, head, shoulders, chest, gloves, boots
iron orchid
Valor goes up to how much?
1500 total
thorn crater
Belt does not have domination sockets right?
iron orchid
750 a week
safe barn
1500 total
I meant the ilvl
iron orchid
246
cedar star
I think my box was a super stinker
wide ridge
Belt does not have domination sockets right?
not for leather, no
thorn crater
Thank god, something decent out of vault then lol
safe barn
And of course a 246 pox
cerulean nest
holy fuck boys
safe barn
Now 15+ drop how much ilvl?
violet hemlock
Dam both my m+ pieces are socket slots
safe barn
239?
timid talon
I genuinely cant decide on my piece from the vault lol
odd hazel
I genuinely cant decide on my piece from the vault lol
neck
timid talon
neck
sims say the m+ chest is best but like id replace it with the heroic chest with a dom socket, the neck i dont think i'd ever replace right?
iron orchid
sims say the m+ chest is best but like id replace it with the heroic chest with ...
Yup
timid talon
the KT shoulders are great too because thats where my doomblade is currently as well
wise gull
pick neck, no contest
timid talon
alright the council has spoken
cedar star
Do I take a 239 neck or a 252 shoulder?
velvet holly
What’s goin on with shadow grasp why is this bis?
alpine latch
Because it's fucking great
swift lodge
Any of these particularly good? Dom socket on chest.
wise gull
dom sockets are so cringe
timid cloud
Is the totem actually the move?
plush garnet
I have ascended
timid cloud
I'm so sad. I hated it. ):
alpine latch
lol
wise gull
i hate all of you trinkyboys
pine grove
For each post showing the phial, there's 10 more unposted that did not get it.
At least.
silk thunder
Well I'll be dammed
humble valley
Craft crit/haste on doomblade cloak, yeah?
odd hazel
no enchant?
wide ridge
whoopsy
west hare
are people not crafting obedience??
odd hazel
we most likely will see people using it in M+
proven moth
doomie on back and upgrade it full right?
winged basin
LETS GOOO MY BOY
west hare
vanjuan might be best to wait unless you have heaps of gold
narrow ravine
246 chest with no domination socket, or 239 Inscrutable Quantom Device... I really dislike that trinket
violet hemlock
if ur venth IQD is really good
but thats a low ilvl trink and Id pref to just run 15s and upg
narrow ravine
IQD looks good in sims cause you get the desired effect every single time
while in real life, you don't
odd hazel
IQD is good for venthyr
violet hemlock
My vault sucks man got a Decanter and shitty 252 items sadly the decanter is 150 dps lower than me farming 15 pfs
quartz iris
Any big boy rogues on here have any logs to share so I can compare mine and see where I can improve?
narrow ravine
I guess ill take it but I don't like it...
somber hill
the variance between that and doom is so minor and the variance between it and anything else on anything other than ST is massive
proven moth
you always prioritize dom socks over ilvl? 
odd hazel
so
with obedience
for me.
its a 526+ increase to my damage
with a domination gem socketed into my boots
wise gull
belt here right???
lost mist
It was not hard BUT reaching there are 10 mins fight so progressing there is very slow
indigo mulch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nExsUSiXsmaBnpZkL9BaQW
Isent that with double legendary?
azure bronze
252 dagger is a yes right?
sim it to be sure
manic pebble
aye
slender berry
yea 100% the dagger
sand plume
with the current sims, what's the general opinion on DB versus obied?
manic pebble
and btw is [Titanic Ocular Gland] any good?
odd hazel
obedience wins
sand plume
looks like obied you can play for ST and M+ pretty easily with 1
sand plume
where you'd need DB and Zoldyck if you went that route
alpine latch
and btw is [Titanic Ocular Gland] any good?
Check blood mallet but I'm pretty sure that's the 2nd best m+ trinket
indigo mulch
Yeah but why would you even play vent if you have aoe when you can play a real covenant!
odd hazel
fuck necro
indigo mulch
green flame
crap
indigo mulch
Imma be honest, sub is lowkey fun in dungeons.
safe barn
snow plinth
So i have a 223 dagger, anda 190 dagger. Is is possibly to use raid bots to sim my dps if i had another of the 223? like cna i edit the string somehow?
manic pebble
you can try gear compare
warm fiber
LETS GO
green flame
wat domination shard we need to use?
deft rampart
So i have a 223 dagger, anda 190 dagger. Is is possibly to use raid bots to sim ...
Gear compare
foggy thicket
With what stats should i craft my OB? crit/vers? I wanna play assa and sub
slender berry
crit vers yea
snow plinth
Gear compare
gotcha, ty!@
odd hazel
its BiS until you get the sylv dagger
clever cargo
sounds good
odd hazel
make sure to sim it first though.
cedar crater
we still making obedience?
odd python
doomblade in cloak as necro ?
odd hazel
yes
slender berry
its BiS until you get the sylv dagger
bis untill you get 2 sylv daggers you mean
the first one goes into offhand
solar willow
Guys for m+ what is better Doomblade or Zoldyck?
strange python
holy
odd hazel
bis untill you get 2 sylv daggers you mean
is there a reason that the first goes into OH?
azure bronze
Guys for m+ what is better Doomblade or Zoldyck?
Obedience if you are venthyr any other covenant zoldycks
wise gull
i legit cant decide between 239 dom headpiece or 252 crit/vers belt
plush garnet
Is it the unholy set bonus helm?
wise gull
yep
plush garnet
prob that
slender berry
is there a reason that the first goes into OH?
because the effect does the same amount of dmg and if he has a 252 in mainhand why would he use lower dps wep there?
azure bronze
Both headpieces from raid have unholy bonus
plush garnet
Assuming pin info is still current, unholy set is best, so helm is going to be what you want
odd hazel
because the effect does the same amount of dmg and if he has a 252 in mainhand w...
i thought you were just saying we put it there all the time first
wise gull
yeah but i'll have a lot more opportunities to get the helm than i will a belt thats pretty much bis
also i don't even have an unholy shard yet
plush garnet
If you say so 😉
limber swallow
such a taunt...
quasi scroll
226 gland, 223 Toxin (upgradeable), 220 Phial (not upgradeable)
gland/phial for now, toxin later when it's maxed with valor?
limber swallow
you just take phial 100% of the time
because I want both phial and IQD. And yes, i'm definitely taking phial
subtle tundra
gland/phial for now, toxin later when it's maxed with valor?
you dont upgrade toxin lol
tardy knoll
whats the max sould cinders you can get this week if you did nothing last week?
quasi scroll
toxin sucks?
subtle tundra
yes
quasi scroll
I mean if you have valor to burn why not?
wise gull
you don't have valor to burn
azure bronze
just farm keys this week
quasi scroll
220 phial vs 246 toxin?
azure bronze
and get the trinkets you want and use it on that instead
nimble tartan
please allah bless me with the gift of digital treasures, I shall never sin or lust ever again if you grace me with a weapon or trinket mashallah
https://i.imgur.com/h6aRPhc.jpeg ty allah i will never sin nor lust again
gray sorrel
@nimble tartan it graced with a weapon AND trinket and now i'm buged haha can't decide here
gray sorrel
What makes me doubtful is that it's the normal version of it and I dont know if simcraft / AMR sim IQD correctly
heady rain
If rupture is about to fall off in a vendeta window is it worth refreshing it or squeezing in another envenom?
viscid spear
Still the dagger by far
alpine latch
Man, no rogues in Limit's Terrague
wise gull
rogue dream is dead
alpine latch
naw
scenic meteor
^
viscid spear
Man, no rogues in Limit's Terrague
Limit is classist against us.
subtle tundra
<@!99352528717619200> it graced with a weapon AND trinket and now i'm buged haha...
you can get 246 iqd with valor
wise gull
i see an enhancement shaman
cedar crater
so is obedience still good after nerf?
scenic meteor
limit have an enhance????
viscid spear
so is obedience still good after nerf?
It wasn't about the Vers, it was always the CD reduction
gray sorrel
you can get 246 iqd with valor
how come i didnt think about this hahaha
viscid spear
how come i didnt think about this hahaha
Because you're emotional, it's an important day
gray sorrel
Awww ❤️
wise gull
limit have an enhance????
they sure do
gray sorrel
Hahaha ty guys!
viscid spear
they sure do
Who else is in the Enh's party?
cerulean nest
so who's making obedience today
wise gull
Who else is in the Enh's party?
two DH and two warriors
viscid spear
two DH and two warriors
Makes sense
restive moss
so who's making obedience today
I'm not sure we can craft it with the amount of soul cinders needed
scenic root
Boomkins are dead too. Roll Spriest
cerulean nest
I'm not sure we can craft it with the amount of soul cinders needed
I meant a 235 to hold us over
scenic root
I'm not sure we can craft it with the amount of soul cinders needed
If you did everything you should have enough this week, all 4 assaults, torments and all wings. Or might be like 50 off or something dumb
tacit otter
is the blood shard the best for st and frost shard best for m+? like on sub?
chilly cosmos
Where can we get memory of the obedient, i can't find it anywhere
white igloo
comes from the story
chilly cosmos
From the campaign quests?
white igloo
are we still saying the cloak is the best spot for obedience legendary? with crit haste?
west geode
Tired of no invites to keys
i know right.... 10-13 i get invites anything higher its NOPE!
narrow ravine
spending hours interviewing for m+ keys is the worst
like you want my resume and 3 references to do a dungeon?
candid willow
Hard Choice - What Y'all think ... weapon or trinket?
odd hazel
trinket 100%
odd hazel
do your own keys tbh
hollow river
trinket 100%
Bro weapon r u kidding
pine crag
Wep
austere gorge
where can I get this shard for socketed SoD gears?
opaque fable
just sim it
hollow river
^^^
hollow river
where can I get this shard for socketed SoD gears?
Raid?
odd hazel
trinket tbh
hollow river
Nah
odd hazel
you most likely wont ever get that trinket again like that
¯_(ツ)_/¯
you can farm plenty of weapons
odd hazel
no
hollow river
Wep correct
odd heath
I'd go trinket 100%
cold rampart
anima for 1st boss ?
hollow river
It’s a tough choice tbh
odd heath
There is a 252 dagger on 4th/5th mythic boss
hollow river
True
odd heath
Easy to farm
hollow river
Easy u say
rapid yew
Is there a macro for Blindside procs?
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message
scenic osprey
I never got 226 dagger period
this week can upgrade so lol
cold rampart
anima for 1st boss ?
scenic osprey
so for the nine, if i can igonre the small adds is it better just not dotting it at all ?
scenic osprey
anima for 1st boss ?
main stats/dmg % /anima field for me
strong root
hmm did limit say why they're not bringing any rogues for rwf? I thought sin was blasting st, and sod is mostly st.
hollow river
this week can upgrade so lol
Huh?
hollow river
hmm did limit say why they're not bringing any rogues for rwf? I thought sin was...
Sin blasts cleave as well
hollow river
They don’t tell anyone anything
hollow river
1500 valor gives 3 upgrades for you main hand
I was talking about last tier...
They’re prolly gonna stick with boomies
They are ranged and do more dps especially during bursts timings
rapid yew
So do you guys actually recommend Gnome Sequencer for having a blindside macro or should I just git gud and have an ambush bind?
odd heath
Ambush bind
hollow river
I am actually surprised they’re running 2 DH instead of 1 DH 1 rogue
fiery mauve
Darkness
neon pasture
Their raid is full of alts, they'll probably have 3-4 groups clearing first 4-5 bosses
hollow river
Yeah to see who gets best loot
fiery mauve
You’re not wrong but
neon pasture
Yes, and pick best geared chars for fight like guardian
fiery mauve
That’s prob what comp can look like
viscid spear
Cap of Writhing Malevolence 226 or Viscera-Stitched Footpads 246
neon pasture
There is a guild at 3/10 already
fiery mauve
Execute is super strong everywhere except syl
hollow river
Cap of Writhing Malevolence 226 or Viscera-Stitched Footpads 246
Most likely the 246. Sim it.
hollow river
There is a guild at 3/10 already
So they’re raiding off stream too?
viscid spear
Cqap has the Chaos Bane socket bonus, but I have 0 Unholy Shards
neon pasture
Soniqs Imperative is 3/10 now
steady owl
max always said they pick their comp for the last boss though
strong root
So they’re raiding off stream too?
Looks like Automaticjak is streaming for imperative
hollow river
Oh I’m talking about limit
neon pasture
Limit 1/10, comp they currently use is bad comp full of alts
fiery mauve
Idt it’s bad
fathom flax
So I bit the bullet and went venthyr, love a good renown rush before raid
hollow river
This is my first time watching rwf
opaque karma
ight gents help me out, i got a 95 dps upgrade glove from vault and a 239 wrist which is a 34 dps upgrade, the gloves are a dom socket slot but the piece i got doesnt have a dom socket in it. which of them is smarter
ebon fulcrum
What is the favorite covenant for the raid?
hollow river
Venthyr or necro
fathom flax
Venthyr opener is muti snd muti garrotte rupture vendetta shiv flag?
hollow river
Venthyr normally better for ST
hollow river
Venthyr opener is muti snd muti garrotte rupture vendetta shiv flag?
No
Flag before rupture
ebon fulcrum
Venthyr or necro
Yea but which one? 😄
hollow river
Flag, rupture, mut, vendetta, shiv
So mut snd mut garrote flag rupture mut vendetta shiv envenom from max-1 cp
fathom flax
What is the favorite covenant for the raid?
Thanks
hollow river
Yea but which one? 😄
Most going Venthyr. But some very good rogues staying necro
fathom flax
I just came up with that in my head
That probably explains why I was only getting 20/21 stacks
hollow river
Sin is better necro as soon as there is 2 targets
neon pasture
The 3/10 guild has used 1 or 2 rogues on all kills just FYI
Limits setup is just weird
hollow river
If u wanna try playing sin AND sub u go Venthyr @ebon fulcrum
fathom flax
Thing is for raid, at least in the 6 heroic bosses I’ve killed so far, venth makes more sense
Soulrender only boss for outlaw cleave spam
hollow river
Fate scribe?
fathom flax
Fatescribe sub owns the adds
hollow river
KT?
fathom flax
They died really quick
hollow river
Crit vers if u wanna play sub too
thorny rain
ok cool
hollow river
Safer pick is crit vers I won’t effect sin hardly if at all
fathom flax
I haven’t done KT heroic but on normal ST was super valuable because all the adds spread out
But that’s just one kill
hollow river
Well rogue should go to philactory anyway
thorny rain
can we make rank 5 this week or no?
tiny dagger
Deathspike any good? O.o
obtuse robin
hollow river
Deathspike any good? O.o
No
fathom flax
Well rogue should go to philactory anyway
100%
obtuse robin
i dont want this responsabilty
hollow river
can we make rank 5 this week or no?
Only if u have the soul cinders. But yes technically
fathom flax
252 for sure
opaque karma
^
fathom flax
You’ll get a 233 Sylv in no time
hollow river
idk about that
fathom flax
I got it on my first kill haha
hollow river
G4u
silent breach
sim it better
hollow river
^
manic merlin
Yay!! got the Phial 252
grim jay
You’ll get a 233 Sylv in no time
I mean, there are people that never got a token in CN, so
I wouldnt phrase it like that
😄
hollow river
Exactly
severe wasp
Would it be worth using the frost set bonus for now?
north basin
233 sylv dagger better than 252 dagger?XD
hollow river
I got HEROIC sire weapon 2 weeks before tier ended
manic merlin
echo cargo
@north basin no
hollow river
233 sylv dagger better than 252 dagger?XD
In OH yes
north basin
iam afraid i will get sylv dagger 252 dagger and 252 phial. shoot in the head
fleet anchor
In OH yes
Actually not even sure about this for OH
Would need to sim it, it'll be close
steep rover
Venthyr leggo still the go to for ST?
hollow river
Actually not even sure about this for OH
I saw a spreadsheet fuu made
Saying it was
lost sentinel
Is sin any good in m+ this patch?
obtuse robin
the 252 dagger is 190 dps more then the 233 sylv dagger
echo cargo
Personal sims might differ tho
lost sentinel
I loved playing sin in black m+
fleet anchor
For Sub it might be, Assassination gains less from the dagger
obtuse robin
no it is for me i simmed it
warped wind
is obdience the play now
obtuse robin
thats my fault
hollow river
It’s the same effect?
fleet anchor
Because Assassination gains less CP
grim jay
It’s the same effect?
cp generation
hollow river
Hmm
wind dune
Careful, The questlines bugged drakaka or w/e literally walked off on me last quest i needed for my renown.
fleet anchor
When I checked last night H Sylv dagger OH vs. M vanilla OH dagger was +0.8%
hollow river
Even if I stack 75% haste?
onyx fable
Are +7 Agility gems still better than a +16 ssecondary?
fleet anchor
Keep in mind the daggers don't have secondary stats so some of the proc value is absorbed by that
hollow river
Keep in mind the daggers don't have secondary stats so some of the proc value is...
Ik
vestal wren
Would need to sim it, it'll be close
i did that already in my sheet ^^
gentle jewel
Did they fix sylv daggers so more than 1 rogue can use on the same fight?
scenic osprey
I have 3 movement speed gem on +5% +3 and the stack on
lost sentinel
Assassination in m+... decent? Viable? Disappointing?
vestal wren
reference:
proud goblet
when playing m+ spec (NS, MFD, CT) do i apply CT also to the boss or should i be using envenom instead as finisher?
hollow river
Assassination in m+... decent? Viable? Disappointing?
It’s fine in m+
hollow river
when playing m+ spec (NS, MFD, CT) do i apply CT also to the boss or should i be...
Also to boss
lost sentinel
I guess I can live with fine
hollow river
I guess I can live with fine
It’s good. Just not as good as outlaw or sub
proud goblet
alright
lost sentinel
I don't like outlaw, sub is OK but pref sin
lost sentinel
Venthyr
night prawn
hi there someone can explain how to read this sheets to know what's the best covenant at each lvl of renown ? thanks a lot 🙂
lost sentinel
I'll probably get obedience, I need to replace legend anyway
hollow river
Kk yeah obedience is looking to be best in dslice
grim jay
252 MH is 317dps
252 OH is 305dps
slyv NM MH is 221dps
sylv NM OH is 185dps
that's my takeaway from simming potential vault upgrades
did that on sub ST tho
wide ridge
Master assassin is losing value this tier for dslice
why is that
hollow river
Obedience
wide ridge
is haste that bad for sub?
scenic root
Crist haste is fine for only playing sin
hollow river
No but U lose less for sin going vers
scenic root
Versa > haste for sub versa = haste sin
hollow river
But vers is harder to get
swift grotto
are sims broken at all
north basin
so sylv normal dagger loosing both in oh and mh to 252 vanilla one.
hollow river
are sims broken at all
Only for new crafted 230 pierces afaik
swift grotto
no raidbots, my raid bots is simming 7.1k for my outlaw and 5.9k for sin
hollow river
so sylv normal dagger loosing both in oh and mh to 252 vanilla one.
Scroll up fuu posted his spreadsheet I think
swift grotto
and there is literally 1 item level difference
hollow river
and there is literally 1 item level difference
Are you sure your entered everything correctly?
swift grotto
I just did quick sim
hollow river
and there is literally 1 item level difference
Wielding 2 daggers?
scenic root
Did you do Dslice?
hollow river
ok, would my weapons matter that much
Yes?
swift grotto
im not
scenic root
If you simmed for Dslice and had m+ talents for outlaw and ST for sin could be that big difference
hollow river
What about talents? Conduits?
swift grotto
OH im dumb
scenic root
So many things could cause, so either post the sims or we can't really help
swift grotto
sorry
hollow river
If you simmed for Dslice and had m+ talents for outlaw and ST for sin could be t...
What he said
swift grotto
its dslice
hollow river
For both or?
swift grotto
for sure for sin
hollow river
Outlaw should be under sin in st
swift grotto
thats what I thought
hollow river
For the most part
timid talon
is anyone randomly getting 30 stacks of flag with obedience?
the first rupture i did right now gave me 30 lol
hollow river
O.o
wide ridge
what
scenic root
Unless you are kryian and running aoe talents for ST for sin.. they outlaw may do more ST lmao
hollow river
I haven’t been on yet
timid talon
No cap, its happened multiple times i just dont know how to recreate it
vestal wren
the first rupture i did right now gave me 30 lol
sounds like abug, but a welcome one
hollow river
U sure it wasn’t thrill seeker
.>
Back to work for me
Y’all have fun. Pray for me on vault
wide ridge
warped wind
why does obdiece sim so 200 dps lower than doomblade
vestal wren
why does obdiece sim so 200 dps lower than doomblade
doomblade good
scenic root
why does obdiece sim so 200 dps lower than doomblade
For what situation, what talents. Is this your sim or general sims?
warped wind
ep/vigor and bs/ds for ST
north basin
soniq imperative run 2 sin rogues, at least one good guild going 2 )
and they do quite well on stream
warped wind
both talent builds sim 200 dps lower than doomblade
timid talon
why does obdiece sim so 200 dps lower than doomblade
obedience feels like a trap
until bis
warped wind
its prob better if theres cleave
scenic root
Can't just be asking why X do better than Y without any details. Context matters for legendary choice
scenic root
So you are using light movement sim, try patchwork
timid talon
doomblade is just better
timid talon
Its really just because it scales better
i dont think using it this week is gonna be the play
No sims i ran showed it ahead in current gear
jagged bobcat
No rogues in the mythic raid 😦
scenic root
If you look at general sims, doomblade does more in ST, so with your sim it shows that. Is obedience worth crafting? Well that's not a simple answer. Do you want to do m+, obedience sims higher in Dslice. Do you want to play sub? Obedience sims higher. So it's a choice on what you want to play
white igloo
Ok so what is the best slot for Doomblade. Gloves?
timid talon
cloak
scenic root
Cloak
narrow ravine
back
scenic meteor
Ok so what is the best slot for Doomblade. Gloves?
cloak!
red burrow
In what scenario in the raid would I use EP over Blindside? I gues when there is a prio add or someting?
elder gulch
How is assa in torghast? easy?
timid talon
when using obedience
obtuse robin
obi is a 50 dps loss for me sadge
white igloo
odd. raidbots doesn't show me doomblade on cloak yet the game says i can
somber hill
are most putting crit haste on their backpiece lego? apparnetly theres a lot of crit from raid pieces?
balmy condor
Idk random hype for dashing because it’s highest in hectic add cleave or something. It’s super duper weird
vague falcon
cov leggo nerfs didnt go live with reset, did they?
balmy condor
They did
sonic schooner
Better in hectic add cleave???? Doomblade is ded 🦀
misty holly
Dungeonslice is showing haste as my best stat again by a large amount, even moreso than patchwerk.
Is this expected or is something funky going on with slice
halcyon zealot
there a way to add boes to sims? im not a wizard w the code
balmy condor
there a way to add boes to sims? im not a wizard w the code
Gear compare
balmy condor
Is this expected or is something funky going on with slice
Seems okay
flint snow
reference:
would there happen to be something similar for heroic domination armor vs. vanilla M+15 armor? for those of us that most likely won't be mythic raiding.
hollow river
Is this expected or is something funky going on with slice
Mine does the same
vestal wren
i didn't sim domination values
nimble tartan
when does obedience get better in st my doomblade sims +100 rn with 2 st setups...
vestal wren
outside of socket + bonus (and those are not on my sheet)
misty holly
Hmm is Perfectly forged credentials proc haste effected? Wondering if that is boosting haste value more than I expect
vestal wren
but you can top gear/gear compare quite good iirc
flint snow
alright thx
full pond
Is Venthyr Legendary a good legendary for Rogue Assa in Pvp?
scenic root
when does obedience get better in st my doomblade sims +100 rn with 2 st setups....
It probably won't for sin rogue, maybe at 4-5 targets/ heavy movement in a m+ situation. Pure ST no movement doomblade will do better
balmy condor
my fucking vault
oh no, not a sylvanas dagger, that really sucks so sorry to hear it
somber hill
here is my sim for obe vs doomblade - doomblade is the higher simming one. 249 lego - crit/haste. patchwerk 5min
young nacelle
oh no, not a sylvanas dagger, that really sucks so sorry to hear it
alright listen here u lil shit
balmy condor
here is my sim for obe vs doomblade - doomblade is the higher simming one. 249 l...
not simming higher btw
somber hill
i mean doomblade is the one that is listed higher*
its the +59
and obe is the
+52
somber hill
so im leaning toward obee given its usability
scenic root
The sims for doomblade/obedience has been in the pins since the nerf, why are people so surprised that obedience is worse now...
somber hill
some ppl think its way wores than it is
echo jay
is there anyway to go to gear compare on raidbots and compare the obedience cloak to doomblade cloak for your gear without having it crafted? i cant seem to find it in search
echo jay
oh ok, thanks Whispyr
jagged bobcat
Imagine rogues getting a nice buff and having it taken away
scenic root
The pined sim shows doomblade 40 dps more. So again why are people surprised lmao
somber hill
@echo jay ya thats what i did just simmed w obe and doom on back w crit hast
jagged bobcat
Crazy
wide ridge
yall that are crafting obedience, is DS mandatory with it?
wide ridge
yeah same here
somber hill
multi dot fights i prob go EP/Vig
wide ridge
i just see everyone using ep vigor
scenic root
If sim shows higher, either play with it for the dps gains, or don't and play with EP/vigor
somber hill
well its good on multi dot fights
iron heath
hey any help with rotation opener?
somber hill
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
somber hill
@iron heath ^
white igloo
zoldyk for M+ on which piece?
plain thistle
somber hill
wait @balmy condor i just noticed this:
iss thiis a tooltip bugg on raidbots? or is the change nyi
karmic tusk
in game
somber hill
ik its 0.5 in game
im wondering if RB/simc has updated to include that change when simming
severe shuttle
anyone know if there is an easy way to sim stat procs on unbound changeling against eachother?
in a single sim that is
balmy condor
wait <@!167090536602140682> i just noticed this:
raidbots grabs the tooltips from wowhead, so probably wowhead's problem
sinful salmon
Are we still crafting obediance on cloak today?
balmy condor
yes
sinful salmon
@balmy condor Any chance you can help me pick my great vault im like wildly unsure what I get
somber hill
but the actual sim is based on thee 0.5% vers per stack, correct?
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> Any chance you can help me pick my great vault im like wi...
link your top gear
balmy condor
but the actual sim is based on thee 0.5% vers per stack, correct?
yes
sinful salmon
hoary fulcrum
I feel like even though doomblade beats out obedience, we should still go obedience. Right? Because of having to do mechanics and other targets? I'm I right?
balmy condor
I feel like even though doomblade beats out obedience, we should still go obedie...
sure
sinful salmon
@balmy condor you want an armory link?
young nacelle
we can make r6 today right? or we just doing r5s?
balmy condor
we can make r6 today right? or we just doing r5s?
not enough cinders
sinful salmon
idk what that is =\
young nacelle
so r5
balmy condor
have you simmed yourself before?
sinful salmon
Yeah
balmy condor
how have you done that
sinful salmon
raidbots
sinful salmon
I dont use an addon I just do the quick sim on the site
balmy condor
oh you poor soul
young nacelle
definitely download simc you can sim new stuff on the spot
balmy condor
!simguide
prisma monolithBOT
Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights
For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.
lilac haven
Lol
balmy condor
should give you a good starting point
loud light
fast gate
sry guys, but if i'm not mistaken blindside + deeper stratagem gives more dps, but i saw that much people is using elaborate planning + vigor, why?
hidden oyster
Probably more reliable damage
winged basin
sry guys, but if i'm not mistaken blindside + deeper stratagem gives more dps, b...
Tends to be better at higher gear sets seems to be the argument I see.
hidden oyster
(I’m a noob, but that’s typically why people go with choices that don’t sim the best for any class. Could also be that they sim better under those talents for themselves)
winged basin
sry guys, but if i'm not mistaken blindside + deeper stratagem gives more dps, b...
Sim the differences, use what your comfortable with. The difference isn’t more the 30 dps for most people
balmy condor
What's your advice? On Doom vs Obedience?
obed
fast gate
ok, thx all ^^
balmy condor
ep/vig is just picked for comfort
or aoe, or sylvanas because she dies at 50% and that makes blindside trash
sinful salmon
@balmy condor so im running the top gear sim but it's not gonna take into account the 3 piece unholy domination bonus right?
hoary fulcrum
I thought they are making the execute window different for her now?
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> so im running the top gear sim but it's not gonna take in...
only if you have the item with the set bonus, and you selected 3 unholy gems
sinful salmon
So thats my problem the obvious answer is I take the 252 gloves since I just crafted the cloak
But I have domsocket shoulders and KT trinket i can take as well
hoary fulcrum
oops i misread....its the ENRAGE window....not execute. lame
sinful salmon
know what I mean?
arctic bronze
roughly how much haste am i looking to have?
balmy crane
gloves are a dom socket slot though, and the dungeon gear won't have that, right?
balmy condor
if I could predict the future and your drops, I would tell you what to take
but I can only see whats in front me
sinful salmon
Thats what im saying mortarch, the gloves are good right now but are gonna be replaced like instantly
idk
real pewter
Any times i'm using crimson tempest in ST?
tame coyote
@real pewter at bosses with alot of downtime
real pewter
what do you mean by that? @tame coyote Like u use it when downtime is about to happen/
tame coyote
@real pewter yes or heavy movement bosses where u cant dps anymore
real pewter
kk
long furnace
meager wyvern
Inspiring, Grievous, Fortified and the Tormented
alpine latch
Not bad at all, really
scenic root
if I could predict the future and your drops, I would tell you what to take
I thought you were a genie
scenic root
Woah that worked? First time for everything
sick marsh
Hello, sorry to disturb again but is there a way to cancel the necrolord dot on a dummy ?? It gets on my nerves ...
scenic root
Out range it I believe works
alpine latch
Log out, log back in
scenic root
The issue with unlikable things and endless dots
rocky rain
On painsmith do you guys put dots on the balls or just naked enven?
scenic root
You could die? Can you jump into the pit behind the dummies?
rocky rain
Or just ignore and tunnel boss? 😅
Doesnt seem enough hp to dot on hc, but I'm not sure if I'm losing too much dps
sick marsh
Out range it I believe works
It worked ty, but what a pein 🥲
river mortar
So i should craft obedience today, is it still our best in slot or has something changed
celest ruin
how much is a 249 cloak on your servers?
violet hemlock
is the tazavesh neck simmed?
snow plinth
head or back for obediance
royal wasp
249 dagger from vault ez clap
velvet haven
bruh all 3 warriors in my raid group pulled 252 phial from vault and a 252 wep options
and im sitting here like, decanter is okay i guess...
hollow river
Wow
velvet haven
(phial was warrior bis last patch, not anymore)
hollow river
Seems like a lot of people getting lucky af
halcyon zealot
bruh all 3 warriors in my raid group pulled 252 phial from vault and a 252 wep o...
yep one of my warrior buds made sure he linked me his 252 phial vault first thing this morning also
slim siren
just an interesting thing here. could you get the syl dags from the time walking cahce
strange silo
what ilvl is the timewalking cache?
hollow river
No I don’t think so
slim siren
its a normal mode cache
but last teir i got the final boss shit off of it even tho its ilvl was higher then the cache
ye i got most regal ring from a 200 cache last teir so idk
royal wasp
haste crit or vers crit on obedience?
slim siren
sim your stats
velvet haven
I would assume crit haste
white igloo
obedience sims higher for you?
hollow river
Crit vers if ur gonna play sub at all
white igloo
crit haste most likely if you only play sin
steady owl
What if sylvanas wants her daggers back though? I mean since she didn’t really mean to do everything she’s done and is nice now
And we just take it from her
alpine latch
Kingslayers > Edge of Night anyway
Give 'em back, we already have the best daggers in the game
Lore wise, it only takes one knick with the Kingslayer to mortally wound the target
little condor
do you guys pool energy for shiv?
white igloo
yes
dim temple
do you guys pool energy for shiv?
I do
white igloo
make sure your bleeds are good on duration for shiv
oak sky
i shiv on cd, but usually normal pooling sets up for shiv pretty well
little condor
also in your opener do you use flag with your first rupture or wait for the vanish envenom?
white igloo
first
still elm
is there a pin for the opener? or just use icyveins
little condor
i know the opener but I was still wondering if it would be better to use flag early
solid venture
white igloo
nice
teal bloom
Poggers moment
velvet haven
Gz
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/815095978049798184/864566517017477130/unknown.png my vault was pretty cursed
zenith hatch
well mine was boss drop vault inc tmrw
velvet haven
gz brother
little condor
what are the rings stats?
snow plinth
How come wowhead recommends crafting Obedience on back? doesnt head have a higher stat budget?
oh wait j/k im dumb
icy dock
is sylvanas dagger effect duration based
snow plinth
dom sockets
velvet haven
because domination sockets
icy dock
or no timer
errant fable
Is Obedience still bis for assassination after the nerf? The bloodmallet tooltip is not updated, so I'm a bit hesitant.
strange python
check pins for sims
sterile ocean
i want crit haste on the legendairy right
velvet haven
looks like byebye zoldyk hello obi for aoe
white igloo
looks like byebye zoldyk hello obi for aoe
my sims didnt show that 😦
velvet haven
looking at pins
white igloo
its best to sim yourself before creating it
velvet haven
i think make a tier 4 regardless
alpine latch
its best to sim yourself before creating it
Woah woah woah.. Get out of here with your logic and reason.
balmy condor
Is Obedience still bis for assassination after the nerf? The bloodmallet tooltip...
sim is fine, tooltip isn't updated
blame wowhead
halcyon zealot
i think obed is definitely a smart craft, personally it sims like 40-60dps lower than doomblade on any variation of my ST sim that i run, but i think both have certain scenarios that makes it a smarter choice over the other
velvet haven
like obe will likely be the only lego u would use in PVP
alpine latch
I'm still debating if I want to skip Obedience and just go Zolds for m+ and DB for raid
velvet haven
that's what i did last week, but Obe will be better on window based fights
like Slyvannis
alpine latch
I don't know for certain that I'm staying Venthyr
white igloo
I'm still waiting until i get a dom piece to replace my shoulders being DB right now
THEN i'll pick
velvet haven
i needa sim the deaths advance gloves
alpine latch
I'm still waiting until i get a dom piece to replace my shoulders being DB right...
I have a dom socket in shoulders, but I only got 1 shard on 7 boss kills last week
velvet haven
got leech shard off world boss todayt, eventhough it seems kinda bad
alpine latch
I have 3 sockets, so I'm still rocking my legendary shoulders
halcyon zealot
i mean if you have a couple alts you can make leggos like hot cakes, i haven’t played my boomy since like week 6 or 7 and offloaded like 1.5k ash to my main
alpine latch
eww
velvet haven
just do ur professions
it took me like
130k
to max cloak
and then i made profit off of it afterwards
halcyon zealot
think the leather/cloth crafter in our guild made 8 mill last week??
it’s definitely profitable rofl
velvet haven
8 mil in a single week, mark me if that's hard to believe unless he had like gold cap he was working with
but a few mil is do-able
halcyon zealot
oh he has multiple caps
velvet haven
okay thats fine
white igloo
i can hold some if he needs more room
halcyon zealot
he lives in SW tho if we aren’t raiding he’s on the AH
opaque karma
so y r we taking obedience over doomblade if it sims higher now ?
white igloo
we arent
white igloo
the sims have spoken
crisp steppe
U thought wrong then
halcyon zealot
i mean it’s a 36 dps difference in the sims
white igloo
yep. just play what you like
halcyon zealot
that’s like BP/DS vs EP/Vig
velvet haven
Realistically how I see it is
Zoldyk on fortified weeks
Obidience on Tyranical
white igloo
that could work
velvet haven
then doomblade in all raid content except Sylvannis
white igloo
Trick is on fire
white igloo
i mean doom could work on tyranical
velvet haven
doom is what I have used on tyrannical
velvet haven
But Obi will be better then it for aoe, and bring competitive single target
to doomblade
white igloo
true
velvet haven
so you would do more damage overall with Obi
shy badge
what equipment ya putting the Obi on? cloak?
spiral salmon
question:
Is it worth running something other than blindside on sylvanas due to no execute phase? how do I sim a sylvanas fight on raidbots?
velvet haven
most raid fights actually prfer elaborate planning
obtuse robin
st is my guess
velvet haven
according to parses
reef axle
Majority of parses outside guardians seem to be ep/vigor atm
spiral salmon
kk thanks
storm raft
sharpening stone or shadowcore oil?
devout prism
sharpening stones
velvet haven
i always seen oils
limber lion
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
open rapids
What’s stats should you put on OB back if you want to use it for sub in M+?
Would crit/Vers be the play?
velvet haven
crit haste unless sub OS, then crit vers
open rapids
Ty
slim jay
are shards from lfr the same that you would get from higher difficulties?
winged basin
252 crit haste boots, or crit haste dom socket with 239?
vestal wren
How many targets do i need for crimson blade?
1
winged basin
I simmed, but I dont have the shard so
real pewter
@vestal wren Wait u use it for ST?
sand plume
Did you put a shard in for the sim?
raven locust
Dom sockets > 252 gear, especially if it's the Unholy helm
halcyon zealot
you can artrill, if there’s a lot of boss movement you lose value on PB
vestal wren
yes, unless something changed very recently
real pewter
Wtf
halcyon zealot
and it’s only a slight loss in ST
winged basin
I didnt cause I have no shards
halcyon zealot
comparatively
winged basin
just didnt know what was better 239 dom socket or 252
sand plume
I didnt cause I have no shards
You can still sim it with a shard on raid bots
raven locust
@winged basin If it's the Unholy helm dom socket, def pick it
winged basin
again, its BOOTS lol
plucky briar
do we use fok on 3 targets?
sand plume
I had option between 239 dom shoulders and 252 belt. I figured I have a better chance of getting dom shoulders socket from heroic this week than I do getting another 252
raven locust
You still always pick Dom sockets but w/e gotta use all caps
real pewter
had no idea u use crimson tempest ST
idle star
I feel like ill get more 239's than 252s honestly
sand plume
had no idea u use crimson tempest ST
iirc when you get high levels of haste it becomes better
Either way, should sim yourself
real pewter
better than poison bomb u mean
sand plume
Correct
vestal wren
its not better than PB in st
slim jay
on high movement fights and with haste it is
real pewter
gotcha