assassination

[vestal wren]

its right there ^^

[placid cobalt]

Sorry guys how do we use flagellation with obedience? Im familiar with the standard "line up with vendetta unless you loose casts" but i was wondering if anything changes with shorter cd

[vestal wren]

else reload your website and add the legendary items again

[ornate lake]

With assa being pretty decent dps right now. Are we #1 PI targets?

[dapper solar]

no

[ornate lake]

elaborate why not

[dapper solar]

its better for warlocks iirc more dps for them than us

[ornate lake]

haste works well on us :/

aah ok the dps increase is bigger

[dapper solar]

sheesh ill take pi's tho

[pliant nest]

any idea why people prefer EB on painsmith but blindside on guardian?

[ornate lake]

EB can be on demand "burst"

[vestal wren]

there is a pi list pinned in #wow-general

[pliant nest]

i see

[ornate lake]

Also depending on ur stats, BS / DS sims higher or the other combo

[ornate lake]

Cheers1

[plain thistle]

EP right? if someone is using EB on painsmith I want their names

[pliant nest]

ah yea i meant ep

[plain thistle]

[pliant nest]

or echoing blades for the ultimate pad on balls 😉

[plain thistle]

cant speak for everyone else, but for my character EP - vigor x BS - DS is super small

and I prefer to use EP - vigor

[odd hazel]

It’s like 30 for some people

[plain thistle]

it was smaller for me last time I simmed

and for short fights or fights where there is more than 1 target EP + vigor was always better (for my character)

[echo geyser]

can u cloak anything useful on sylv hc?

or anyone have any general tips

[plain thistle]

not sure if its updated yet

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[plain thistle]

its not 😦

[obtuse robin]

cloack works on the dropable dot

[plain thistle]

but pretty sure you can cloak chains and it stops doing damage for the entire duration

at least it worked for me twice last night

[gusty mirage]

we need help updating it from you beautiful people

[plain thistle]

yeah sure, ill test again tonight to make sure

[obtuse robin]

i can soak the dots on p3 syl

[gusty mirage]

I will say though peeps have been dropping good info on the google form

just gotta sit down and implement the stuff that people submitted and I've been kinda lazy/grinding keys

[novel frost]

yo where does flag conduit drop? 226 or moar

[plain thistle]

@gusty mirage https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tk9yZpFMg4zKrVBd#fight=20&type=damage-taken&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24154918609.0.0.Rogue%24false%2431224&ability=349458&start=8428780&end=8472601

here for example

[echo geyser]

wheres PI value

[plain thistle]

I used cloak before chains where everyone gets one, and 0 damage

aaa private log 😦

[gusty mirage]

yeah I accidentally learned you can cloak the chain damage myself

no one was grabbing a chain during the torment

so I ran it and then cloaked to not die

[spice spire]

Pinned in general

[keen swallow]

Does envenom sacale with mastery

[vestal wren]

pi/wft/banner values are in #wow-general

[pulsar coral]

if blindside sims higher why does it seem like everyone is using EP in pracitce?

[sand sigil]

sylvanas dies at 50%

[spice spire]

Placebo, plus for me personally DS plays EXTREMELY slow

[sand sigil]

ep better in multi target so eye nine pain soulrender, etc

[subtle tundra]

not placebo, DS/blindside is only better on pure ST

which the raid isnt all of

[spice spire]

But also for sylv specifically - and a few other bosses, James nailed it. But there are many like painrender BS/DS sims better but still run EP/Vigor

[mental trout]

@spice spire thank you, I see now to just use shiv on cd, I was holding for way to long. Think I read on a guide to not cast it if garrote or rupture will be falling off soon, holding too long to have it line up with vendetta/ if I thought I wouldn’t be able to attack the boss for the full shiv I’d hold it. I see now I should just cast it on CD no matter what it seems. Thanks for getting back to me!

[spice spire]

Anytime papi best of luck

[sly flume]

Would you guys drop the 252 for normal daggers if they pop up in the chest ?

[green bison]

No

[eternal acorn]

Got the Smuggler's shoulder heroic, does someone know if the proc is worth putting 3 ice shard?

[rapid forum]

[Ticking Sack of Terror] did 8% of my damage on kt

wtf

[pale fossil]

Are you guys running just M+ talents in Tazavesh?

[pulsar coral]

tazavesh isn't m+, i was just swapping between outlaw and ass the entire dungeon

since you aren't locked

[gusty mirage]

nah I just went in with full ST build

trash falls over pretty quick and you need to burn some bosses

like mailboss that bugs out because reasons

[halcyon zealot]

yeah trash is negligible in taza

our general strat was hero and burn each boss, seemed to work for just about all of them

[modest apex]

any tips for painsmith as assaination rogue?

any tricks?

does feint work for raid wide hammmer damage?

[placid dawn]

yes

cloak also works

[pulsar coral]

maim/mangle only sims 6 dps below well-placed steel

if i swap it, i never have to press shiv for dps again right

[nimble tinsel]

Shiv still has dam amp baseline

WPS just increases it

[heavy vessel]

MM is always a small gain, WPS is a bigger gain less of the time

[errant delta]

Is there a reason ep sub and ds are simming highest for me?

[fresh kernel]

Is MfD only better for PvP and dungeons? Is it better to run vigor or DS for raid

[obsidian ridge]

the assassination segment on wowanalyzer said it was not being updated, is it useable in any way? I just killed guardian of the first ones on heroic, got an amazing 14 parse and the tool tells me that "there are no major issues in this fight"

[unique sleet]

R5 or R6 lego or should I wait

[delicate bone]

dont use it , very bad and outdated

[obsidian ridge]

[lethal zodiac]

WTB Clean Plater Profile any suggestions?

[cloud bramble]

lol what? forgetting to press shiv would be a bigger dps loss than a conduit swap

[cloud bramble]

it's the weakest of all the talent choices for raid.

[unique fossil]

is there any high key m+ player that streams/records their asassination keys?

[winged basin]

I’m waiting

[simple rivet]

why

[jolly breach]

does anyone have pi dps gain spreadsheet?

[nimble tinsel]

Pinned in #wow-general

[jolly breach]

dont mind

[sand aurora]

how many times should i upgrade my shards?

[jolly breach]

just found it

thanks

[fading harness]

hey guys on the nine do i just do my opener before I DoT up the second boss or DoT them both then flag/vendetta

[dapper solar]

@balmy condor why has their been no mention of dashing scoundrel.

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s not the best at anything

[dapper solar]

Seeing it ahead of doomblade atm for st and zoldyck for add cleave. just seemed odd

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s always been in the shadow of doomblade. Definitely a viable choice, but not crazy enough in any situation to justify crafting it ya know

And then obedience changes the timings on flag which could have an effect on certain fights

And so you already have a doomblade, and you have obedience

And they kind both do single target, and dashing does that, but not better

And then for aoe you wouldn’t take dashing, or doomblade

So it’s just sorta the guy in the back of a group picture trying to get his head into the frame but can’t because he’s at the back

[dapper solar]

very interesting thank for the clarification on that. much appreciated

[balmy condor]

Np

[ornate lake]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[tidal dust]

Hello, is there anyone playing Necro assasination rogue who can help me with the opener? And yes i have read all pins. None of them anser the question. Is it still Mut,Snd,Mut,Gar,Rupt. But after that? Mut,Shiv,Vend? So when do i actually use Bone Spike. I am playing MA btw.

[south belfry]

Open SBS

[cyan prawn]

open with sbs into snd after that proceed as normal

then dumb sbs charges into gemstone window

[gusty mirage]

sbs -> snd -> everything else is the same

[tidal dust]

Gemstone window?

[gusty mirage]

heimir's gemstones

[tidal dust]

ah

[gusty mirage]

if you don't have a WA to track it, I highly recommend doing so

for ST you j ust make sure you don't cap bone spike charges

and dump whatever you have available during that window

still finishing at max-1

[tidal dust]

I am tracking it. Thanks alot for the help! Came back to this patch after being off since BFA.

[cyan prawn]

never had IQD on my rogue, I'd imagine I hold the second IQD usage for third Vendetta?

[icy dock]

is the necro lego that bad for m+

[odd hazel]

yes its dead

[odd hazel]

i do not think you hold it

[icy dock]

what was the damage bonus on it before the nerf ?

[tidal dust]

So what Domination bonus do we want? I almost got frost ready

[odd hazel]

it was like

2-5% better then zold

[odd hazel]

#Pins

[icy dock]

i mean before they nerfed it was 2 extra projetiles and bonus damage wasnt it

[odd hazel]

no, you had 5 charges and 2 extra bones

[icy dock]

they nerfed it twice someone said

[odd hazel]

im not sure on that

[nimble tartan]

guys i was lookin at sin statistics and ive learned that if u have wrist enchant on its a dps loss https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423274902301179919/864247461739364393/unknown.png

[shy dust]

Yes

Though it depends

On the fight timer

[nimble tartan]

thankfully i have never put on this enchant and therefore am always max dps

[shy dust]

On a standard 5 min you would

If it won’t cause you to miss a cast it’s recommended

[cyan prawn]

thats what I assumed pretty much aswell

tyty

[halcyon zealot]

ty for headsup omr, needed that optimization

[nimble tartan]

np rozay just lookin out

seems like the roleplayers who use shaded hearthing just do way less dam

[thorn sierra]

does rupture get empowered by vendetta if you do it in the window , even if vendetta falls off?

or should i just use it on env

[fallow glacier]

There isn't really any form of snapshotting in sin outside of subterfuge and Nightstalker

[narrow ravine]

so the ticks of all our dots go up while vendetta is happening and go back down after?

[thorn sierra]

i will test rn and let you know

[teal bloom]

Yes

[dusty sable]

so do we craft new venth lego for raid 😄

[opaque sparrow]

anyone recrafting doomblade on back next reset?

[thorn sierra]

my main issue is that i can either get 1 more envenom off in my vendetta window or reaplly rupture right before it falls off

obv u want rupture up tho

so i just tested it , and you still get the empowered rupture even when the vendetta falls off

[gloomy rose]

yo, did anyone explore more which of the three powers in m+ is best - the axe under 30%, stats or bolster? I imagine the bolster depends on dungeon, but anything more specific?

[plain thistle]

no, dots are dynamic

[narrow ravine]

so it does snap shot, along the same lines as how nightstalker and subterfuge works until you refresh the dot

[teal bloom]

Vendetta shouldn't snapshot any bleeds

[narrow ravine]

no vendetta just makes the target take extra damage for 20 sec, doesnt buff the bleeds themselves

[thorn sierra]

so im getting 416 dot damage reg, then 457 with vendetta

[plain thistle]

probably pure stats

[thorn sierra]

and it remains that without vendetta on if i applied it right before it ended

[plain thistle]

should not happen, post combat log or warcraftlogs of that happening

[winged basin]

!PB

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[narrow ravine]

think they are going to fix that bug or just let it rot

[merry fox]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[icy dock]

if we could wear 2 to legos

zoldyck doomblade ?

[thorn sierra]

yee imo

best aoe and st

with next week being foritified , sin should be cracked in aoe with zoldyck , stuff wont get bursted down right away

[thorny pond]

2 leggos you’d probably wear obedience baseline then continue swapping between doom and zolds

[thorn sierra]

so I applied 3 ruptures in a vendetta window , the first one was 476 , the 2nd one was 433 , and the 3rd one was 416

[azure flare]

Post log

Tho im pretty sure it was figured out over 2 years ago that the bleed is dynamic outside of subterfuge and nightstalker

[thorny pond]

Correct

Vendetta will never snapshot bleeds

[wanton creek]

Freshly dinged after re-rolling for guild, I have went venthyr but the guides seem to differ on what legendary to focus. Is it recommended to wait for ven legendary or go doom blade/zordyck

[ocean jasper]

Are you just looking at the tool tip or checking actual damage in combat log?

[thorny pond]

I assume raiding?

[wanton creek]

Yes raiding

[thorny pond]

Doomblade or wait for obedience tomorrow if you plan to do m+ /sub

If it were me I’d go obedience since you’re probably behind and want to run dungeons for gear a lot

[wanton creek]

Behind is an understatement but guild are going to help me out, assume I need 48 renown for it though?

[thorny pond]

Correct

But it offers flexibility over doomblade

Since you probably don’t want 2 lower ilvl leggos or endless torghast runs since there will be better options for your time

[tribal spear]

on painsmith. do you guys damage the balls or stay on painsmith?

[balmy condor]

Use the balls for funnel

[thorny pond]

I’d spend today doing renown/world bosses/1 good m+ key

[wanton creek]

Thanks mate will focus on renown and grab that

[mild dagger]

yo sorry if dumb question but should i craft doomblade legendary for shoulder, hands, or back?

[soft shale]

back

[thorny pond]

Pin: cloak

[mild dagger]

awesome ty ty

[delicate bone]

elaborate, sir?

[thorny pond]

Game the balls for resources to funnel into the boss/ball

[delicate bone]

i know what funnel means

but like are you saying to run around dotting?

or fok?

[balmy condor]

Rupture give energy energy good, fok give the cp for the finish for the damage big energy lots of damage ook ook

[thorny pond]

Go sub for bigger cheese

[balmy condor]

I did at the start of it

[delicate bone]

is it actually worth to rupture some for the energy regen? the middle one gets blown up super fast so that one doesnt seem like one youd rupture forsure

[balmy condor]

But then I got nothing but haste gear

[balmy condor]

Yes.

[delicate bone]

alright alright, ill give it a go next week 🙂

[thorny pond]

Stilleto me daddy 100% sblade uptime

[soft shale]

haste is not horrible

as sub anyway

[thorny pond]

2 shadow steps on that fight is quite nice

[soft shale]

only problem about sub on sylv is p3

you hav to know the timers well

[balmy condor]

Aight bet, 600 haste on sub go go go

[soft shale]

haha yea i got the dom sockets with haste too

but hey

[balmy condor]

Can’t get crit pieces to save my life

[thorny pond]

Go vers

[balmy condor]

I have vers

A lot of it

[thorny pond]

Then you can sub bb

[balmy condor]

My monk tank binds me for his so’leah

[thorny pond]

Same

[balmy condor]

Cause I have so much vers

I want. Crit.

[thorny pond]

Your problem is you just need to try to not get crit

[soft shale]

same i still run the boe ring

[thorny pond]

Then you get 37% randomly

[azure flare]

Wheres my dagger

[soft shale]

those 172 vers

same place as mine

still looking for it

[azure flare]

fuck

[balmy condor]

I run a fleshcraft ring, the heavy mastery/crit one

[thorny pond]

Tfw hunter got bow before you got dagger

[azure flare]

Lmk when u find it

[balmy condor]

Because it has crit

And sims higher because of it

[lone wren]

i would suggest obi for raiding, while doomblade is simming 0.34% higher single taget, many fights have add spawns or other targets to hit which will push obi ahead. I would get obi to max rank first and then if you really want to min/max have doomblade for purely single target fights, but you probably wouldn't notice the difference much.

[soft shale]

yea top ring and SD rings are lit

big crit

of course raid has also big crit on sylv

but keekw killing it on hc

[thorny pond]

233 with socket was nice

And my guild tried convincing me to give it to mage

[soft shale]

fuck mages

look at pvp channeeel those bastards

[thorny pond]

I’d like to

[soft shale]

one shotting again

[thorny pond]

It’s okay

We do more dam

[soft shale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2qPmWUFmEzMTi3UYHNNyPb

[strange silo]

Hey is it just a feeling or cant i get 3 spells in MA? i have 15% haste

[soft shale]

also finally free from 220 shoulders

[long furnace]

is the garosh trinket any good? now crit is shown as my highest stat

[soft shale]

it is undertuned

seems decent for m+ tho

[pure moth]

Having sack of terrors and shadowgrasp totem.. both sim higher than a 226 phial.. sack of terror just proc way more than other trinkets?

[west swallow]

is the venthyr leggo going to be the choice still after the nerf?

[raw dagger]

crit in M+ feels good, 5 CP off a FOK

[soft shale]

sack is busted yes kriz

[long furnace]

thanks

[pine crag]

heyo, which set of shard we equip guys?

[plush ferry]

they dont exist, shards are not real, they never drop :<

[pine crag]

for me they do 🙂

[raw dagger]

I believe you want the UH 3 piece, and the dps shard of the other 2 types

[teal bloom]

@strange silo if you have like 0 energy when you use vanish, you'll miss a cast during ma. You should look at your energy before pressing it so you know that it's enough for 3. Rogue gcd is always 1 seconds so you should get 3 casts easily if you are not energy starved

[pine crag]

thx

[balmy condor]

Damn where’d you read that

[final sky]

i was looking at the m+ leaderboards and i see people using doomblade in m+? why

[pine crag]

am i geting jebaited?

[balmy condor]

No I’m praising him for essentially copy pasting the pins

[raw dagger]

I can read, praise me

[balmy condor]

Cause the log out with doomblade

[balmy condor]

[final sky]

wdym

[balmy condor]

If they log out with doomblade equipped, they’ll show up on the boards with doomblade

[teal bloom]

They are logging out wearing doomblade so you'll never find out they are using tiny toxic blade

[final sky]

ohh ok that makes more sense cause i see people using raid talents too, thanks

[balmy condor]

Seliathan logged out with dreadblades talented for like 3 days and people went fucking crazy thinking it was the new meta

Funniest fucking thing I saw all of 9.0

[strange python]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[final sky]

is our bis gear the same just higher ilvl?

[teal bloom]

Whispyr have you managed to kill painsmith yet?

[balmy condor]

More iLvL more good

[balmy condor]

I have

[teal bloom]

Elite gamer Pog

It's so hard

[restive inlet]

Really good fight. It's a good kind of hard

WE struggled so much on Paionsmith on thursday. went in with three less otday, and it fell over in two pulls

[devout sphinx]

hey, at what sim dps increase/decrease threshold % should I swap from EP/Vigor to BS/DS for ST? Ofc I find the EP/Vig playstyle is more smooth but for me it sims roughly 1.3-1.5% lower than BS/DS. Not sure if there is a general rule of thumb I should follow

[rich raft]

Guys, Obedience still bis for vent, after nerf?

[buoyant schooner]

as a main assassination for raid and out for M+, should i change to venthyr?

[lone wren]

I brought this up a few days ago, I also run doomblade because depending on affixes/dungeon/group make up, adds often don't live long enough in execute phase to be worth using zold. Shrugs

[idle star]

Obedience baby.

[pale fossil]

I'm guessing the Soleil trink isn't good for us?

So'leah's Secret Technique

[hushed bay]

If I'm playing Sub for ST and Assassination for Cleave. Is Dauntless Duelist the way to go over the 3rd potency conduit for cleave fights?

[hollow seal]

For anyone that is bored and want to help, i challenge you to find a player skill difference on GotFO HC in
this https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wAdtTWZKG6N71Bbj/#fight=last&type=damage-done
and this
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1AkvBpwqGyQfJ2nN#fight=46&type=damage-done
log for the assa rogues. i cant for the life of me find one that explains the massive difference (including fight time).
welcome PM if you find 1. 😄

ran it through analysers and seems like same or similar CP spending/waste/regen, vanish usage etc.
Only thing i can find is atk power and windfury diff + gear

[idle star]

Eh. For me its 100 more haste and i can still use my badge on use

[scenic jetty]

just droped relic of the frozen wastes

seems super bad

[gloomy fern]

you can start by getting more crit like on all enchants and gems, its ur best stat but the thing u got the least off

having 15% crit on ur finishers nad missing out on seal fate cps is bad

[opal oriole]

Best overall covenant? I do like 10 keys a week and have 2 raid nights 6 hours total. Is Venthyr MUCH better in raids and Necro MUCH better in dungeon? I see on logs it's roughly 50/50 but it is also just the first week so logs aren't really consistent yet.

[strange python]

Painsmith ez if chains don't go full brainlet

[opal oriole]

Honestly only thing i get from pins is that venthyr is better in both

[inner temple]

check the "tinyurl" link, its got actual breakdowns

[hot flume]

Is there anyway that Sylv dagger is oversimming ?

[inner temple]

possible, yes. probable? no.

[hot flume]

Damn it doesn't stack on dummies

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fXbSo5izXHADiP75scVHdY

Here it sims for 47K dmg for 5 minutes, on sylv heroic I barely hit 12.4k

[icy dock]

carver's eye in heimir is kinda nuts for m+ isnt it ?

[hot flume]

Sure the boss moves a lot and there is some downtime, but this is less that the third of the sim

[placid pagoda]

Is it worth running triple potency over Dauntless?

[hollow river]

Sim it

[placid pagoda]

True

[hollow river]

It can be

But depends heavily on your build

Atm with my sub build they are basically the same

[shell belfry]

is haste/crit best on leggo?

[strange minnow]

hey folks, just a quick talent question
for single target, whats the dps difference between EP and blindside? currently running blindside but just wanna know the difference

[hollow river]

It’s different for everyone

[hollow river]

Depends

[strange minnow]

oof

[hollow river]

Have you tried simming it?

Usually Blindside/Deeper pulls ahead in pure ST. By how much is different for everyone.

[strange minnow]

not recently

[azure flare]

The kelthuzad trink? Its one of the best out there

[hollow river]

Anything with 2 or more targets you could look into EP/vigor but again, try simming yourself.

[hollow river]

Which leggo?

[azure flare]

Yes crit haste on sin legos

[tight ginkgo]

you run whatever sims higher for you. some say blindside/deeper "feels bad" to play as it can be slower so they default to EP/vigo.

[azure flare]

Unless ur multi speccing

[hollow river]

Yep

Obedience can be crit/vers if you want to play both sub and sin. It won’t make much of a difference at all.

[fallow glacier]

Sylvanas doesn't go below 50% health, the daggers have an execute mechanic, it's not going to do as much damage on that fight

[hot flume]

Oh the "more injured" refers to to health, thought it was about the stacks

[cyan prawn]

if you're necro there is basically no difference in ST between EP/Vig and BS/Deeper, on venth BS/Deeper pulls ahead the more gear you get, but as mentioned I'd just sim it if I were you

[halcyon zealot]

also i believe ep/vigor pulls ahead on shorter kill times, and bosses where the boss doesn’t go to 0% (sylv) since you’re not getting the extra value from blindside from 30-0%

but ya sim it, for most profiles it’s close enough to play what’s more comfortable to you, since you’ll do more damage if you’re comfortable with your rotation even if technically it’s a 20 dps loss

[south hollow]

do you guys also get this weird bug on some bosses where if you use SBS on pull it doesn t get applied and u lose a stack?

[azure flare]

Havent had that happen yet

[south hollow]

i need to check logs again

[drifting cloud]

its not a bug its a parry

or well a deflect

[azure flare]

Oh it parried it?

Lmfao

Thats mean

[south hollow]

it made me so mad on painsmith on pull

for like 4 pulls in a row

[azure flare]

I guess u wanna distract boss first

And then do opener

[south hollow]

that s giga cringe if it s true

[azure flare]

That way he cant parry/deflect at least

[loud hearth]

Is it normal having to wait for energy regen before Garrote and Rupture in this opener?

[brazen rampart]

With DS yeah

[azure flare]

Hm

That doesnt make sense no?

[brazen rampart]

Unless I've also been doing it wrong

[azure flare]

Maybe it is 🤔 i dont remember having to wait at least

But maybe i did for like half a second

[brazen rampart]

I mean it's not a long wait

[azure flare]

Not sure not on pc

[loud hearth]

I'm playing DS yeah with 20% haste (Necro)

feels like I'm losing 1-2 globals

[brazen rampart]

And in lust there is no wait at all

[azure flare]

Yeah actually without lust

It might be right yeah

[brazen rampart]

^^

[azure flare]

That u have to wait a bit

[south hollow]

ok this is mega cringe

[hollow river]

Happens

[placid pagoda]

Ye pain smith would constantly parry my opening mutt lol

[azure flare]

Lmfao

Man kelthuzad hc

[south hollow]

super duper crazy coding ig

[azure flare]

Did that today

I fucking walk up

[south hollow]

damn gz

[azure flare]

He parries mutilate

Energy gone

[placid pagoda]

It’s a joke

[hollow river]

[placid pagoda]

An actual joke

[azure flare]

:(

I noticed that most bosses do this

[south hollow]

we should have hit chance again

[azure flare]

Except sylv

[south hollow]

and expertiese

[azure flare]

Sylv actually

One shots you from range

[hollow river]

Orly

[azure flare]

Idk if she does it on normal but 100% on hc

[hollow river]

Tell us more

[azure flare]

Shell just shoot you

[hollow river]

Nah not on normal

[south hollow]

XD imagine you mutilate while she is doing the jumpy thing in p1 and she fucking parries

[azure flare]

I think she just hits way too hard on 20 man lol

Apparently her damage falls off hard with 19 man

[south hollow]

needs heavy tuning

also the length is yikes

[azure flare]

Tbh im ok with the length

We didnt even get to p2 anyway

[south hollow]

i dont wanna wipe on the last min of the fight forever

[azure flare]

Apparently there was a bug

Where ud get to 03

P3*

And anduin smites your entire raid

While ur still stunned lol

[hollow river]

Looool

[south hollow]

gaming actual gaming

[viral vigil]

How much haste should I be shooting for? Or is just as much as I can get?

[hollow river]

Sim

Yourself

[azure flare]

Sim it tbh

[south hollow]

as much as sims say

when u sim drop/top gear

[hollow river]

Frankly that’s a skill isssue

[azure flare]

Yeeee

Lmfao

Fcking ion

[viral vigil]

roger

[hollow river]

Raidbots.com

^^^^^

[south hollow]

wtf do u mean u cant heal your entire raid while you are all stuned? are you stewpid? -ion

[ancient peak]

rupture is worth applying if it lasts for 4 seconds with doomblade right?

[hollow river]

Only if you’re energy starved

[loud hearth]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpikyIronicPlumChocolateRain-oCT7zG4rH3eFLz_5

[hollow river]

And clipping something that’s about to die

[azure flare]

Omg is that it

Lemme watch

LOOLL

too good

[hollow river]

Doesn’t matter what leggo ur using

[azure flare]

Imagine not outhealing that smh

[limber lion]

Happened to my raid today

Awful

[hollow river]

Ouch

[south hollow]

easily healable just get iqd, use it to get out of the stun and spirit link omegalul

[hollow river]

It’s still happening??

[limber lion]

Sylvanas also went flying to the skies during p3

[azure flare]

That must be actually hella frustrating when u had a clean run

[loud hearth]

We had that. Either she got stuck in the air or refused to move away from previous platform.

[loud light]

accidental mythic mechanic, banshee fly-by

[azure flare]

Gotta love how we are still in ptr

[limber lion]

It's always a fun time

[loud hearth]

Then she just stops doing mechanics sometimes. Gets 24 stacks of ranger buff because not doing tank heartseeker.

[hollow river]

Bro people have been getting stuck on flight paths anyone hear about that??

[limber lion]

Fighting the boss for 10 minutes

[ancient peak]

so if I'm not energy starved is it better to just envonom

[limber lion]

only for her to bug out

[ancient peak]

if something is not gona last the majority of the rupture?

[hollow river]

My buddy’s warlock was stuck on a flight path that went to the top of the skybox and never came down

[hollow river]

Yes

[azure flare]

Lmfao

Kidnapped

[hollow river]

Or use a low cp rupture. Depends on the time til it dies, etc

[ancient peak]

kk ty

[azure flare]

Yeah i personally use low cp rupture and then envenom just for the energy regen

[hollow river]

Yeah depends if it’s an add on a ST boss, I’d rupture it for sure

If it’s mob in m+ and you have plenty of energy regen already just envenom

Situational

[azure flare]

Yap

Im kinda hyped for obedience

[hollow river]

Same

[azure flare]

1 min flag sounds fun

[hollow river]

Sub keys gonna slam

[azure flare]

Hell ye brother

[hollow river]

They already slam tbh

[azure flare]

I just love the red dagger effect

[ancient peak]

yeah I pull 8k+ routinely as Sub RN

its busted on some dungeons

[azure flare]

Yea for sure

[hollow river]

Yep

Spires, top, plaguefall it’s not the best

But still doable

[ancient peak]

DoS sub slaps

lmao

[hollow river]

Big time

Halls, mists, necrotic wake and SD too

But DoS the most for sure unless you’re omegapulling

[azure flare]

What about top?

[bitter canyon]

lul

[hollow river]

Top is a lot of low target

[azure flare]

O nvm just saw

[hollow river]

Ye

Sub cleave is bad but

[ancient peak]

yeah and even the bosses in top have a lot of cleave

[hollow river]

It’s still decent enough to play it

[bitter canyon]

Sin beats out sub in top imo

[hollow river]

Yeah I personally will go sin in top

And maybe spires

For sure

Just saying it’s doable

It’s not complete cancer

[bitter canyon]

Not only the dmg but the utility from garrote really helps on ghosts and the rest of the soul corridor

[hollow river]

tbf, outlaw slaps ToP

and spires

waiting to try plaguefall out with sub myself i haven't tried it yet

[simple wadi]

Sub is very average in plaguefall

Pulls just too small on average

But you smack the third boss real hard

[chrome arch]

guys, when to use venthyr ability in opener?

[soft shale]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[chrome arch]

had a rogue in my raid tell me best to use it right before using rupture to "take the combo points" with it

[soft shale]

that is correct

[chrome arch]

i know what it states in the guides

but they are generic on that one

[soft shale]

although second one the finisher you use does not matter

[chrome arch]

okay thanks. But you see, in the guide it is stated to use your cov ability right after rupture

[soft shale]

weird

you use flag first

[chrome arch]

look for example icy veins

mut, snd, mut garrote, rupture, vendetta, covenant ability

thats why I am asking 🙂

so thanks!

[soft shale]

well now you knoe the right way at least

but yea use flag first before rupture

then siv vanish mut

[severe sparrow]

is raidbots not simming the sylvanas dagger correctly? it's telling me my 220 and 213 dagger are better than the 233 from normal

[rancid warren]

How much difference does it make in ST? Pooling energy for 3 envenom 1 shiv versus slamming everything in cooldown and being energy starved all the time?

[hollow river]

not a huge difference, this is something to do once you've optimized everything else about your gameplay. from what i'm told.

3 envenom 1 shiv isn't the goal

[severe sparrow]

it says that in the IV guide. i get 2 most of the time unless i get lucky with procs idk

[hollow river]

you pool energy before using envenoms, to be sure you can reapply DoTs when they need to be reapplied. and so you can burn a couple envenoms inside of shiv window.

[rancid warren]

Yeah i think 2 is ideal 3 when lucky

[severe sparrow]

energy starved feels icky to play imo im always feeling panicked about having enough stuff to top off dots, but i think i got spoiled from playing outlaw so long

[hollow river]

yeah but if you don't get ANY envenoms inside shiv

you still SLAM it

if a mechanics coming up, you slam,

[rancid warren]

Really hard to maintain all the dots esp garrote while slamming 3 env per shiv

[hollow river]

it buffs poison damage

[wintry mica]

Is cloaked in shadows just bad now?

[rancid warren]

Oh EP/vigor btw

[severe sparrow]

i just have an aura that tells me when shiv will be up in like 15s so i can halfass attempt a pool/try to manage the dots it does ok

[hollow river]

Cloak of Shadows?

[wintry mica]

no the endurance conduit

[hollow river]

oh

idk

[rancid warren]

For pve recup best

[wintry mica]

it seems useless now that it falls off so quickly

[thorny pond]

Vanish is a defensive cd now

[hollow river]

i use recuperator

[hollow river]

as sub i guess you could

[lean notch]

Has anyone gotten the Slyv dagger and played a bit with it? My DPS went down 1k from last nights normal painsmith where I was doing 99s to tonights HC painsmith where i was eating shit in grays. I swapped SBS Conduit for Main and upgraded a 226 dagger to a Slyv 233 dagger in MH. Played the same way, not really any more downtime in HC than in normal, legit my envenoms, poison, rupture, garrote, melee DPS all went down by 100 DPS, while my mutilate, leggo DPS, trinket DPS stayed the same.

[hollow river]

not as much of a sacrifice

[thorny pond]

Normal to heroic

Only good groups have killed heroic

[lean notch]

I'm trying to detective my ass through logs now, really cant understand what's going on. Swapped to outlaw for the last pull with the Sylv dagger in OH and immediately went back to 90+ parsing

[chrome arch]

This

[rancid warren]

Maim sucks in ST. sudden fractures do better

[lean notch]

I figured that might be, but my outlaw parse is still high 90s

[hollow river]

no outlaws parsing

xD

[thorny pond]

That is the case until you link logs

[chrome arch]

because no good rogue is currently playing outlaw in raid

[thorny pond]

And yea no outlaws

[idle star]

How i feel in opener with deeper strat. So slow

[thorny pond]

It boils down to being above average on normal is easy and on heroic wall boss where hardly any guilds have done it and those that have are good

[chrome arch]

I meran

its not even a fucking kill

[lean notch]

Maybe no Outlaws, but I'd imagine the guilds who kileld it with outlaws would be something

[chrome arch]

why are you obsessed with parses?

[thorny pond]

Like you went from taking a lambo against minivan moms to taking it to an f1 track against pros

[lean notch]

Lmao I'm not, just felt like I was hard underperforming

[chrome arch]

it is known that parses do not have any value for wipes

no just saying

this could very well be a very good parse if u got the kill in that try

[lean notch]

Well I figured that, but I've had 99 on every normal wipe, no matter the timing

[thorny pond]

Also if you haven’t killed it then no comment either

[chrome arch]

this

[thorny pond]

Last phase is a straight burn in heroic

With lust and 2nd pot

No shit you’re gray

[lean notch]

You're focusing way too much on me being gray, IDC about the parse, that was just a example. The issue is that all my DPS went down

The DPS that's not compared to other people

[thorny pond]

Because there’s fall on on wipes

[lean notch]

No? Because I'm comparing with wipes as well.

[thorny pond]

Apply some critical thinking. Less mechanics and shorter fight on normal

Versus

More mechanics and longer fight

[chrome arch]

this

[thorny pond]

If you are doing things correctly

[chrome arch]

maybe you have to play traps and drag them outside

[thorny pond]

Then that’s all you can do

[chrome arch]

maybe you need to target switch on the spike balls because ur ranged are lacking

that is all costing you dmg

[swift sky]

idk if u have noticed my guy

but on normal u had wf totem

on hc u didnt

[chrome arch]

exactly. and then you dont have to worry that much. Just sim the sylv dagger and trust the sim

or play without it, idk

[chrome arch]

I bet he got 3 PIs on normal xD

[lean notch]

wf sims like 3% damage increase

not 100 dps across the board

downing into 1k dps

[chrome arch]

still, if you are sure you doin absolutely corect

*everything

what do you expect us to do here?

[lean notch]

Right, just looking for peeps with Sylvs dagger and their experiences honestly. I'm aware theres plenty of clueless casuals looking for help every day through the discord, but I've been Mythic Raiding for a while and parsing 90s on early progression runs before. I'm very much aware of how times affect things, wipes, etc. Also a log gremlin.

I'd appreciate some actual critical consideration rather than just the default scpiel of explaining how parses and logs work.

[frigid sleet]

you could go hit a dummy for a bit if you dont trust the sims

[thorny pond]

Commenting on wipes on a boss with intermission is stupid.
We’ll gladly compare logs for you of before and after on kills

[icy dock]

what are the best trinkets from the raid ?

Soulrender ?

[thorny pond]

Phial and Shadowgrasp lol

[icy dock]

since when is shadowgrasp good

[void pecan]

Fuck, I have to farm dos if I want to be a super min/maxer now?

[icy dock]

did they buff it

[chrome arch]

9.0.5

[icy dock]

hmm, and all raid trinkets are garbage ?

[chrome arch]

the one form guardian seems decent

[icy dock]

soulrender sounds good to me

idk

[chrome arch]

hc guardian trinket perfomred better for me than 233 phial

[icy dock]

i guess stat proc trinkets are kinda bad these days

[soft shale]

yea guardian is better than phial after buffs

[icy dock]

are there updated sims with the buffs

[blissful crane]

So, best lego for a non venthyr? I keep seeing/hearing both doomblade and scoundrel from different sources

[void pecan]

Doom always good

scoundrel is like .xx% off

[cobalt pelican]

realistically for prog you'll end up playing like

phial sack, phial shadowgrasp or phial hc fusion amp

[blissful crane]

oke so they're very close, cool ty

[icy dock]

sack is from new dungeon

right

[cobalt pelican]

yes

[icy dock]

and what is fusion amp

[void pecan]

raid trinket

[chrome arch]

guardian trinket

[icy dock]

ah the guardian one

[loud light]

I mean, also just look at your normal fight timings

each phase is starting right when your vendetta is coming back up and you're getting a PI with it

[chrome arch]

sack really any good tho?

got it on 233 and its simming very bad

[void pecan]

Sims higher than my trinkets

except 229 phial

[chrome arch]

sims worse than my 233 sire trinket feelsbadman

[void pecan]

<-- casual non mythic sire

I had 229 ooze and heroic skulker

[cobalt pelican]

sack should be better than dreadfire

by quite a bit

[chrome arch]

weird, lemme test again

[cobalt pelican]

make sure you're simming on nightly too, the sack fixes were only implemented a few days ago and i'm not sure if they made the weekly build yet

[lean notch]

having a hard time believing it'd be 1k+ difference across the board. I'll go hit the dummies a bit comparing the daggers and check if something weird's going on

[void pecan]

Always nightly.

[cobalt pelican]

some of what you use depends on how fast you progress, too

[icy dock]

is a 4th garrote worth in m+ when opening

[cobalt pelican]

like sack has a lifespan of it

basically tied to spare vlaor

since it's not better than fully upgraded phial/grasp i don't think

[chrome arch]

thanks, seems to sim better now

[icy dock]

nhc sylvanas dagger is only 100 dps vs my 213 dagger that cant be right ?

[cobalt pelican]

link it

[icy dock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5fvnGsshcwoeTC8pUgmKi5

[cobalt pelican]

running double celestial on the single dagger sim

swap it to sinful and rerun it

(also if you got a sylvanas dagger the 213 would be in your offhand, not the 207, so that'd add some gains too)

[icy dock]

someone said sylvanas dagger has more value in offhand

made sense when he explained it but i cant remember what he said

[cobalt pelican]

the only value that i know of that it'd get from being in the offhand is like, you have a 239 mh a 233 sylv offhand it's still usable and decent

not like, i have 1 sylv dagger that's 233 and a 207 better use the sylv in my offhand

[icy dock]

was in warrior discord idk why but he said "Because the proc is the same, but offhand hits do less, so it’s worth more as a percent of total damage for the weapon"

[cobalt pelican]

wat

[winged basin]

painsmith heroic tonight, wish me luck not to utterly f--- it all up 😐

[real pewter]

I really don't understand where I should be equipping zoldyck's insignia. It seems to be worse in every raid encounter

[cobalt pelican]

from purely an overall dps standpoint it is

and probably won't see play this tier

not that it's useless, basic fights like remnant where they get progressively more difficult between phases it could be argued for even at an overall loss

but i won't be playing it

fk that noise

[icy dock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kLYzEgpccNtptwao32HVeX

[real pewter]

So are we just running one lego this entire patch?

[icy dock]

100 dps for a weapon enchant

[real pewter]

Also, I see a lot of people using the necrolord conduit, is that really better than Main,Mangle? It certainly doesn't sim higher

[nimble tartan]

ill be running obedience!

[winged basin]

those poor trinkets...

[icy dock]

xd

[winged basin]

I feel for you hoss ❤️

[strange python]

is there somewhere i can find a fairly detailed m+ rotation guide

[cobalt pelican]

sudden fractures gains value in situations necro likes, prolonged cleave

[icy dock]

i have nothing else

[cobalt pelican]

and it kinda did sim better than maim mangle for most of 9.0, so i guess for some people it still does or they just haven't added conduits to sims in a while

[real pewter]

Gotcha

[icy dock]

is the 4th garrote worth in m+

[real pewter]

Lastly, do we still use any other lego for m+?

Guess I can just craft my other legos

for different specs i mean

[cobalt pelican]

not really hide

[real pewter]

everyone uses the mutilate lego in m+ still haha

would that change on fort?

[cobalt pelican]

zoldyck is the key go-to just because it actually does something when you press your aoe buttons

obedience might be decent when it's available

[real pewter]

I'm necro so i'm not using obedience

[limber swallow]

I'm also necro and disobedient.

[real pewter]

so it seems that zoldyck would be best for fortified since you can benefit from the dot damage on multiple ads

[winged basin]

update: died on first spike ball

dunno how, I wasnt even on it

poggies!

[cobalt pelican]

nice

[real pewter]

painsmith is easily the hardest heroic non-end boss we've seen in a long, long time

fun stuff, though

[lone wren]

yeah i enjoyed the fight

but it's gonna wreck pugs

gonna be the pug killer unless it gets nerfed

[idle star]

anyone know how i can make it so details doesnt reset when i vanish on a target dummy??

pls?

[frigid sleet]

use overall damage

[idle star]

i do and it freezes when i vanish

[real pewter]

i am not sure why my dps is looking so weak for my ilvl https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vVYiRwujDnyw6VjHeUZr3e

New to rogue, so maybe i'm missing something

apart from my garbo weapon

[round lagoon]

!Deathly

[true pelican]

dynamic overall damage

[south hollow]

maybe on mythic progression

[real pewter]

what do you mean?

[south hollow]

Zoldyck might be good on mythic progression because execute dmg is always welcomed in mythic prog

Since deaths are inevitable

[real pewter]

ahh i gotcha

well i'll craft it for my leg slot next week then

[south hollow]

Don't take my word for granted

[frigid sleet]

shitty trinkets & siming without buffs

[real pewter]

trinks are def shit, i've only been gearing for 4 days

but i don't think they are like 1k diff

which buffs am I simming without?

[hollow escarp]

bloodlust, mystic touch, chaos brand

[frigid sleet]

you're siming without bloodlust & debuffs

[hollow escarp]

even windfury

[real pewter]

ahh

yeah i'm at 6.3k now

[frigid sleet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ndy4jHcHfgr4WAUZb3Ubon

[real pewter]

jeesh, akimbobimbo is pumping now baby

[exotic fractal]

is there a log analysis/help channel?

[hollow escarp]

usually there are people that take a look and give some suggestions if they are lurking

[exotic fractal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fPn9R3XM4qNbBvKZ#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=5 ok well if anyone wants to tell me why Im awful lmk

[desert orchid]

so are people planning on swapping over to obedience?

[plain thistle]

after the nerf no, already back to necro

is our lord

[hollow escarp]

will prob go back to necro as well after I'll have some fun with obedience

[heavy coral]

Im so much looking forward to crafting obedience and having some fun with it

Not going necro for sure

Venthyr always in my heart

[wide ridge]

for H domazain, 2nd vendetta comes off just as he does the big dance, are you guys popping vendetta there or waiting for the dance to end? ty

[odd hazel]

why is the sylvanas dagger simming lower for me

[hollow escarp]

can't really say much from a wipe, buy from what I've see, just make sure to have bleeds up before you go for mechanics. I assume you got the dispell debuff considering you had a big gap of damage

[exotic fractal]

wasnt a wipe unless I linked the the wrong thing

there was a kill in there though

[true pelican]

you did link the wrong thing

[exotic fractal]

my bad

[true pelican]

you died twice in that log lol

[hollow escarp]

ooh, it was death

[exotic fractal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fPn9R3XM4qNbBvKZ#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=5

this is what i meant

[hollow escarp]

I didn't even check

just saw like 10 sec of nothing happening

[exotic fractal]

yea my bad the log updated before i linked it since we're still in it

meant to link the the nine kill

[modern heart]

finally 229 phial and totem

[odd hazel]

is there a reason?

[thorny pond]

link the sim

[odd hazel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Zyg5pGFiHeK1E6KBNiu4g

im prob being stupid but there ya go

wait

im all kinds of special

[heavy coral]

Thats actually funny cause the dagger sims much higher as off hand for my outlaw than mainhad for my assa

[hollow escarp]

me analyzing logs

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-computer-slop-work-stressed-gif-7259279

[exotic fractal]

I apprecaite the attempt Kojack ❤️

Im going back to rogue after not playing it since like, uldir... not sure why I did so bad on the nine

[hollow escarp]

I usually check bleed uptime, cooldown usage, and energy/cp wasted while also comparing it with top logs

but that's what I do for myself

[odd hazel]

seems you did fine to me?

[hollow escarp]

well, it's a cleave fight

[exotic fractal]

I mean I felt like I played well but 60% doesnt seem great... Ive done a lot better in the past than that

[hollow escarp]

there is some bleed downtime on the bosses

it's easier to look at pure single target fights to find mistakes

also on cleave fights, there is also a lot you can do to improve damage

[true pelican]

no enchants

[odd hazel]

i realized--- re-simming now xD

[heavy coral]

When talking about cleave fight, during opener on 2 targers, should we dot two targets before popping cds or we should focus on single burst following with dotting second target?

[odd hazel]

shit

+200 from the weaps with the enchants

i honestly thought "waht"

[gusty mirage]

back to the janky sleep schedule?

[hollow escarp]

dot and then pop

[hollow escarp]

yeah, I'm on vacation 2 weeks

also 2 targets is more fun on necro for me

[gusty mirage]

[heavy coral]

Roger

[hollow escarp]

as venthyr you want duelist on Kyra I think as she is higher HP

so you open on her with a mut, dot the other one and then continue on Kyra

guess that should be the play there

but I had a 83 on the Nine so I also have a lot to improve there

[south hollow]

i had 85

[hollow escarp]

ooh, I fat fingered vendetta 2nd global

[south hollow]

f

[hollow escarp]

ehh, first week

[south hollow]

fact

[gusty mirage]

still better than overcapping CPs like mfer

[hollow escarp]

I used dreadfire vessel 10 sec in the fight

[gusty mirage]

first raid back was such a disaster for me lol

[hollow escarp]

well, first bosses are kinda easy

so you kill them before you learn cooldown timings

or if there is something that you should keep track of

[gusty mirage]

yeah my timings were all over the place, you kind of take the amount of pulls & kills for granted

[hollow escarp]

The Nine looks like a fun fight

[severe sparrow]

the nine makes me rage when im on my heal alt

shit no not the nine

the uhhh other one, the boopy backy dispelly one

[hollow escarp]

nerzhul

[exotic fractal]

boopy back dispelly one is acceptable

[hollow escarp]

on heroic it's kinda fun

I get knocked back

instant shadowstep

just to get knocked back again

[gusty mirage]

its especially fun when someone in y our group thinks the dispel is the "run the ball off" mechanic

[hollow escarp]

[gusty mirage]

and they just jump off and kill everyone

[exotic fractal]

tempted to play subt on it just to play with 2 shadow steps

[hollow escarp]

there are a few fights where a 2nd shadowstep would feel good

[halcyon tapir]

Anyone able to advise which rotation is better for burst window. Using ma/doomblade/necro: vendetta >shiv>vanish>5cp envenom>mut>envenom or vendetta >shiv>5cp envenom>vanish>mut>envenom>mut

[south hollow]

mutilate>garrote>rupture>vendetta>shiv>mutilate>envenom>mut>envenom>double sbs > envenom

obv envenom if you have 4 or more combopoints

*if you play heimir and the buff is up

[halcyon tapir]

Thanks for that, so where would vanish fit in? And what skills to i want to squeeze into the ma/shiv window?

[south hollow]

also forgot about vanish after shiv

so it's

Rupture>Vendetta>Shiv>Vanish>Mutilate>env>........

or vanish env if you don't rupture before vendetta

it's situational

[halcyon tapir]

Ah so having 5cp rdy for shiv doesnt matter? Just shiv and mut?

[south hollow]

yup

because of MA u get 4 instantly from mutilate

[hollow escarp]

if you are not unlucky

[gusty mirage]

any 3cp mutilate critters in chat?

[hollow escarp]

any parry first global?

[south hollow]

any sbs deflecters? XD

[gusty mirage]

that bitch inerva was like neo from the matrix

she matrix dodged my opening SBS like 5 times in one night

I was so tilted

[hollow escarp]

on inerva it makes sense, she is frequently targeting new players for whatever reason and faces you for half a second

enough to parry you

[gusty mirage]

I hate her

I HATE HER

[hollow escarp]

while attacking from behind

[south hollow]

PAIN FUCKING PAIN

[gusty mirage]

very fitting thematically tbh

@hollow escarp or do what my tanks do and tank on opposite sides so you're getting parried constantly

taunt swap -> envenom parried 4 times

me whispering RL "If you don't teach these mother fuckers how to tank I'm logging off"

[calm oriole]

can anyone take a look at a log for me and tell me where i can improve im new to rog

[hollow escarp]

have you guys noticed that there is a 3rd mob on painsmith in dungeon journal?

[gusty mirage]

I've done zero research on the fights and have gone in blind every time

[south hollow]

yes that is a mythic mechanic

[gusty mirage]

the only background reading I did was the pineapple game

[south hollow]

u fight the mob in the intermission

[hollow escarp]

that sounds fun, while people can't do the fall guys game

[hollow escarp]

wtf

110k spread to raid?

[gusty mirage]

just kill it 4head

[south hollow]

No, 110k to everyone

You have to kill them before their energy bar fills up basically

[hollow escarp]

so kill it fast

arcane mages will top that ad damage

[hoary fulcrum]

How lese can i get a higher lashing scars???

[gusty mirage]

you can get a 226 from mythic sire denathrius

otherwise you just roll conduits and pray

[south hollow]

maybe they make world bosses drop higher ilvl

soon

[gusty mirage]

I think the world boss drops the newer conduits at a higher ilvl doesn't it?

the anime sphere thingy?

[soft shale]

it can drop from any wb or you can buy it on the pvp conquest vendor

[balmy condor]

the only world boss that drops at a higher ilvl is the maw world boss I thought @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

yea it is

[soft shale]

yea normal world bosses one is 200 ilvl

[gusty mirage]

others drop garbagio

[soft shale]

that is how i got mine

then just used two ven ari 226 upgrades

[ember forum]

I've been off my rogue for a while, is assass decent in m+ now or is outlaw still the way to go?

[gusty mirage]

assa is fine in m+

[soft shale]

assa is quite decent on the cleave dungeons

namely plaguefall ToP and spires

[ember forum]

Cool

[hollow escarp]

it's decent in all dungeons

if that's what you asked

[gusty mirage]

ya boys still grinding m+ as assassination

[ember forum]

Sort of yeah haha

I played a metric ton of outlaw in m+

but I've always wanted to play assass, just found outlaw more consistent in m+

[gusty mirage]

yeah assassination is good in m+

[ember forum]

been playing rdruid recently but eyeing coming back to rogue

[regal yoke]

whats the best pve assa legendary rn

[gusty mirage]

all 3 specs are good in m+ with outlaw still being the preference at high key levels

[ember forum]

yeah, hard to dethrone outlaw at that level

[gusty mirage]

doomblade for raid, zold for m+. Next week obedience wins in m+ if you're venthyr

[cerulean nest]

anyones soulbinds change for m+? or still theo

nadjia i mean***

[ember forum]

thanks for the help on it lads, much appreciated

[regal yoke]

wrd ty

[gusty mirage]

I play as nadjia and keep theo for sub

[hollow escarp]

^^

[gusty mirage]

only thing I change is maybe maim for lethal poisons

[soft shale]

yea nadja as assa is really fine

[gusty mirage]

but I haven't bothered this week because of tyran

[hollow escarp]

you can take an extra potency conduit on Nadjia

if you don't wand duelist

[soft shale]

even katar is quite fine

[gusty mirage]

yeah I play triple potency nadjia for m+

[soft shale]

lashing katar and deadly poisons and maybe change katar for maim or well placed for raid

[gusty mirage]

I can't bring myself to playing katar

knowing the conduit gives me 5% more crit and getting 1cp from fok will make me punch my monitor

[hollow escarp]

I don't think about it

I just plug and go

[soft shale]

ahaha well if you think about only one fok you will be sad but across the dungeon it checks out

[gusty mirage]

I'm sad all the time dino

[soft shale]

dont worry next time you do normal you will drop all the dom sockets

e

z

[gusty mirage]

[soft shale]

i plan to do a fasti blasti normal on wednesday afterr getting obedience

to get doms and maybe dagger

[severe sparrow]

oof my parses are all grey 😂 fuck

[hollow escarp]

first week parses

[soft shale]

my logs are hidden

i could have rank 1s who cares

[hollow escarp]

you have 10 months to figure stuff out

[soft shale]

oof

surprise 3 boss raid

featuring soleah electric bogaloo

now with 20 stars

and mail boss bugged

[severe sparrow]

whatever im doing better than the other rogue in the raid so im good that's how it works, right?

[opaque tree]

Careful, that other rogue might be here lurkin on disc! 😮

[teal mountain]

è_é

[halcyon zealot]

so say in our vaults this week we get a normal Sylv dagger as one option and a 252 dagger as another, without sim, whats the gut pick?

think the normal sylv dagger has to be better for heroic/early mythic prog

[odd hazel]

i'd take the sylv dagger tbh

but thats because i have shit luck with raid boss loot

prob sim it though, unless you know for sure you wont b egetting a heroic version any time soon ( Still sim it )

[nocturne orchid]

!bis

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[odd hazel]

wo, first 15 done of the season boys

[manic pebble]

Haste ver for sin? I thought it’s haste crit

[winged basin]

thats old new

news

[manic pebble]

Silly bot smh

[drowsy plaza]

what stats on obedience for m+? can't find it in pins

[soft shale]

crit mastery

[north basin]

Dom gems drops from normal and also from heroic? Or only 1 diff per week?

[soft shale]

1 per boss per week

[north basin]

So if i got 2 and my mate 8 thats it?

[soft shale]

yes

until next week

[north basin]

Zzz super

Blizz at its finest

[soft shale]

yea i only got 3

sad

+30 leech tho

[void pecan]

You guys got gems? Sadge.

[north basin]

30 speed, and buggy lifesteal

[winged basin]

Update on painsmith prog, 25 pulls no kill, BUT I was top damage all night and that resulted in getting PI all night, got told my mechanics improved, but my damage on spike balls is low, how can I improve that. All of my deaths to spike ball were from being to close but I am hitting the ball while not getting touched by the ball has been… challenging

Genuinely terrified of the spike ball

[odd hazel]

are you venth?

[cyan dew]

Guys, do we have BiS trinket list?

[odd hazel]

@cyan dew chest blood mallet

[winged basin]

Yup definitely Venth

[cyan dew]

They're updated ?

[odd hazel]

@winged basin you can door through the balls

Yes

[winged basin]

Also Bag of Ticking Bullshit from Tazavesh is busted

[odd hazel]

i simmed it for me and it was worse then totem and phial

[winged basin]

and I’m not having a problem avoiding the balls, but they commented on how low my damage to the balls was

[odd hazel]

yeah, you can then turn around and damage it easier

[cyan dew]

Idk, damage to balls is rly low for sins

[winged basin]

I simmed it today and it replaced my phial for like 100 extra dps

[cyan dew]

we can't do much