assassination

[sick cairn]

m0 world tour

World boss

Continue campaign all the way

[sand sundial]

next week it gives more ilvl the m+ right?

[gusty mirage]

Correct

[sick cairn]

There are quests in the campaign that gives double to triple renown

[echo geyser]

Oh is it? Thought totem wasnt affected by any outside source

[remote spade]

Ok thanks

[gusty mirage]

Yeah someone figured it out back in March I guess. I’ve been using it as my 2nd trinket since I got a 226 in the vault

It does a nice chunk of damage over an entire boss fight

[echo geyser]

I wonder if u can get resets in any raid fight this tier

Think wowhead said it was capped at 6 × 15sec cdr which seems insane if u can just get another use

[gusty mirage]

This was from a hungering kill last tier

[echo geyser]

If resets on any add fight

[sand sundial]

rly good lol

[echo geyser]

% is that?

[sand sundial]

same dmg ooze

[echo geyser]

So like 4 5

[gusty mirage]

Roughly 4% of my damage

[echo geyser]

It doesnt do increased on more targets right

[gusty mirage]

Nah it hits whatever you’re targeting

Theoretically if you’re killing adds it’ll give it cdr

[burnt star]

As anyone been able to upgrade his shard of dominion to rank 3?

[echo geyser]

Imagine painsmith balls

[gusty mirage]

Max padding

[azure bronze]

Yes

[echo geyser]

They give mfd reset so should count as dying

[azure bronze]

I currently have 3 rank 3 dps gems

[echo geyser]

Imagine if cdr

[gusty mirage]

I’ll try it out this week see if I notice some extra cdr

Progging heroic pain smith with potatoes

[odd heath]

Kt fight should have some resets

On fixate mobs

[burnt star]

Are u at some crazy high rep? I bought the rank 2 of a shard and it wouldnt let me get rank 3. I was only able to rebuy a rank 2

Is that event tied to rep

[odd heath]

Do you have enough stygian embers?

[burnt star]

I have a shit ton

[echo geyser]

We just need to figure out which mobs count itll be hard

Easy with logs i guess

Also isnt the fusion trinket getting buffed?

From guardian

[gusty mirage]

I think so, I remember they’re buffing a bunch of the raid trinkets

[odd heath]

It's kinda weird. Some mobs on this raid have weird interactions..

On kt fixate adds reset sbs, but spikes and tank copies don't

On syl chains reset sbs but p2 mobs don't

Probably will have stuff like this for totem as well

[echo geyser]

Yeah i hate that

At least u can pray for some bugged sbs interactions where u just keep getting free cp

[odd heath]

Did you try talking to the npc again? I couldn't upgrade my shRd to r3, then I just talked to the guy again and the option was there

[odd heath]

I hope so

But didn't find any so far

I literally sbs'ed everything already lol

[echo geyser]

Mythic maybe

[odd heath]

Not on mythic

[azure bronze]

it goes from 5-10-15 stygian embers upgrade I think

no rep required

[crystal blaze]

log with a 226 totem on kt : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N8RfYntv4FPgw6BA#fight=11&type=damage-done&source=4
vs my 233 Dreadfire on kt : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/67Vd9kbcv1Ww4LxC#fight=20&type=damage-done&source=1

[odd heath]

Maybe balls on painsmith? Dunno

[south belfry]

Fokking painsmith balls isnt even that much padding

Gotta love 4 or 5 cp every fok

[echo geyser]

It dont count for logs anywayd

[south belfry]

I just use it to get cp

[odd heath]

Ye.. only first ball hit count

[echo geyser]

Ye thats good

Can also just dot for energy

Not sure if worth but yolo

[south belfry]

Prob not

[odd heath]

Tbh, if your ranged dps are good

U don't even need to hit it

[south belfry]

Yeah sometimes i just fok and envenom boss

[echo geyser]

Im still so bad at running through the spikes

[little condor]

Hey guys, probably asked a million times but will you craft obedience or stick with doomblade as venth?

[echo geyser]

Unless i got sprint ofc

A lot easier on hunter where u just disengage

[wary ice]

sims are in the pins

[little condor]

@wary ice but sims are not everything

[wary ice]

[little condor]

I just feel like obedience is a huge bait

[idle star]

ok so i just Grey parsed 4 Heroic Bosses tonight... wtf did i do wrong

[wary ice]

logs

[terse talon]

Just want a quick feedback... Im venth and going sin in raid and sub in m+ - its really no point of me going obedience as all when checking the pins right? Doomblade nadja is highest in assa and sub theo is highest in dung slice

[idle star]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mPM29k4rxbtXAhfJ/

there are the logs

[solid venture]

low garrote / rupture uptime

[opaque sparrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[placid cobalt]

anyone knows how the sim works in regard to the trinket from the last tazavesh boss? it sims less than my 233 dreadfire, but im not sure which secondary stat it's using

[wary ice]

obi is not particularly far behind on either; if you want ot just craft the one you could go obi without feeling bad; esp early on when cinders is an actual resource we care about

[wary ice]

but otherwise yeah, You'll likely end up using doomblade for raid and finality for m+ with your intents

[spice spire]

You’re wasting a fuck ton of energy too

[terse talon]

cheers!

[idle star]

how?

im opening like this. Mut > SnD > Mut > garrote > Rupture > CD's > Mut > Shiv > Flag Vanish Envenom rotation

someone pls help me

[gusty mirage]

You should flag before your first rupture

[spice spire]

You’re also missing casts of vanish/vendetta

[gusty mirage]

I’m on mobile so I can’t see much because wcl mobile sucks ass

[idle star]

im missing them due to mechanics tho

like is my build right?

[little condor]

The bosses you are fighting dont hurt your vendetta uptime

[idle star]

im really shocked i parsed so low

[spice spire]

So the big three so far I see are:

• overcapping energy
• missing CDs
• low uptime on your bleeds, should always be +90-95%

I mean these are things that will ruin your parses

[knotty dew]

I had the same issue, it's not tied to rep, you might need to retalk to the same NPC or even zone out / relog to be able to see the next rank

[idle star]

overcapping energy?

[little condor]

Also delay your shiv to pair it with vendetta

[spice spire]

On the fourth boss you casted one vanish in a long fight

That greatly effects

Yeah, hold pls

[crystal blaze]

You have 221 ilvl with 220 weapons, 220 lashing and pretty bad trinkets, keep in mind that even with perfect gameplay you'll never blast the ranks with this gear

[idle star]

but i low parsed for ilvl no?

[spice spire]

Eye

The nine

Soulrender

[crystal blaze]

there is not enought people at this ilvl for you to care imo

[wary ice]

there rarely is

[idle star]

so my gear also plays a part in my low parses?

[crystal blaze]

everyone parsing orange right now is around 230 with at least 233 weapons, and this make a HUGE difference

i didn't check your rotation but other people said some things you have to look at

[idle star]

hmm ok.. i guess it will get better as i get more comfortable

[spice spire]

You can do it king, but those are some easier to identify things rn

[crystal blaze]

but like i told u, you can improve on those things but don't plan on getting 90+ ranks with this gear

[idle star]

ok. np.

[spice spire]

It’s easy to say “do x better” harder to do sometimes, trust me, I know all of these things and still mess up 😅

[gusty mirage]

Don’t sweat it. You’ll get it with practice. My first parses are hot garbage and littered with mistakes (wasted combo points being the biggest)

[idle star]

just knowing i came 4th in raid and got a 19 is weird

makes me feel like as Assass i should be blowing ppl away

[spice spire]

These are also very long timers and will effect your results on parsing immensely chief

[gusty mirage]

I got top damage on a fight and got like a 38 parse it happens lol

[spice spire]

You’re 220ish there’s no harm nor foul on not getting 80-90s on a pumper class

[gusty mirage]

Still learning the fights and getting comfortable with everything. Don’t beat yourself up over it

[idle star]

ok i feel better... ill try titen up my rotation and CD usage

[gusty mirage]

Plus prog parses are kinda scuffed anyway. Important thing is the boss died

You can fix it on farm

[spice spire]

All you can do good luck king

[ruby birch]

Parses are subject to change heavily in the coming weeks.

[crystal blaze]

also, you played blindside + DS + poison bomb on every fight

people usually switch talents for a more cleave/aoe build on some fights

[idle star]

i should have used subterfuge on a couple

[crystal blaze]

nah

just go Elaborate planning + vigor + Crimson tempest

when there is cleave

[idle star]

ah sweet

[spice spire]

Yeah subterfuge is sketch I did it on the nine and low key kinda regret

[gusty mirage]

CT is super good on soulrender dude

Because of the adds

[spice spire]

P1 way shorter than p2

[crystal blaze]

unless your raid lead asked you to stay on a pure mono build to fully focus on bosses

[idle star]

nah i just didnt swap off

[crystal blaze]

still worth it tho

i mean, if you want those pink ranks

in progress i might change

[idle star]

allgood information

thanks boys

[crystal blaze]

np, just improve what people told u about rotation, get more gear and enjoy

[woeful wigeon]

question about the domination gems what are we looking for specific

[red plaza]

Deez

[spice spire]

MA is top logs and 98% of logs on the nine tho

[odd hazel]

[small bramble]

can domination gems go un any socket?

[odd hazel]

No

Only domination sockets

[small bramble]

k

[woeful wigeon]

shard of beck + shard of cor + diz /oth/zed right

[odd hazel]

Is there a reason for that tbh?

[grim tangle]

most good players one shot the boss and didn't even think of switching talents?

[spice spire]

Like I said earlier - p1 almost nonexistent you get the initial subt garrote on the two bosses - but then you get one subt garrote per vanish rest of the fight which makes it really not worth imo

[solid venture]

i use MA for every fight

[spice spire]

Maybe you can squeeze two in if it’s really slow

But at that point the parse is ruined anyway more than likely

[odd hazel]

Oh I thought it was the leggo

[spice spire]

No the talent 😛

[teal bloom]

MA talent generally outsims subterfuge vs 2 targets

[echo geyser]

do u guys shadowstep the beam on eye of jailer?

or do u just have door of shadows for every

never paid attention

[spice spire]

I generally don’t like to use the “top logs use x” to bolster my logic, but I did subt CT - still recommend CT - and it was pretty dog

[teal bloom]

I tried to shadowstep it yesterday but failed lol, atleast I had cheat death

[plain thistle]

shadowstep works, but it wont teleport you to the center of the plataform

but a little bit to the left

[echo geyser]

always ? regardless where the boss is "facing" during beam?

[crystal blaze]

i just cloak it

[woeful wigeon]

i use as ventyr the 3 dps potency still found that i do way more dps then with the the 3 precent for whole figth

[echo geyser]

i guess there isnt anything else to cloak rly?

[open aspen]

9 boss kills 0 shards of dom lol

[echo geyser]

we'll see on mythic i guess if new mechanics or not

but cloak + door of shadows seems no risk at all at least

will try to step next time i guess

hopefully cheat saves me if fails

[little condor]

which potency conduits are you using?

[crystal blaze]

since cloak on beam guarentee full uptime on boss i think it's worth

[woeful wigeon]

nadja maim wellplaced steel and lethal poisen

as i got high mastery poisen ticks insanly

[little condor]

I was wondering do you guys use the cloaked shadows conduit for progression or nimble fingers?

[woeful wigeon]

still looking if master poisening is good of i stay blindside

[alpine latch]

That's tough... I got one from 7. It's going to be a grind.

[grim tangle]

I got 3 from the first 5

then 0 in 10 on normal

[crystal blaze]

recuperator 24/7

[grim tangle]

I feel like blizzard wants people to farm lfr for shards

[little condor]

wait does it constantly heal? i thought only when I apply snd

[crystal blaze]

constantly

[little condor]

it reapplies due to envenom, I see

[fervent rune]

15 bosses down and 1 bad shard. Definitely going to be a grind to get 3 good ones for bonus

[echo geyser]

do u guys think there will be any instances where u will just take doomblade over obedience in the raid?

or is it a case of "you pressed flag in a bad moment" kinda thing?

aka when u couldnt have full uptime on target or w/e so not too much cdr

[vestal wren]

there is nothing wrong with doomblade

[woeful wigeon]

i use the 3.5procent when healed the new one

[pseudo pilot]

is there a haste bp for sin?

[vestal wren]

break points for any stat is when it starts simming worse than the other ones

[lyric light]

I think Obe will be an option not a meta pick

[lavish grove]

How are you guys dealing with the chains on Painsmith? Do you stay away? Find a spot to dps in?
Also bombs do you switch or stay on the boss? Is it ok to fok them to dump on boss?

[idle sinew]

if you have chains you need to just get out of the group

FoK is good for funneling cp into boss

As to switching to them it depends on what your RL wants

most groups can just have ranged dedicated to it

[lyric light]

You have to because druids are to busy padding them

[hollow river]

Sub funnel feels nice on painsmith

Would hate to fok balls for 1 cp

[idle sinew]

I wouldn't be switching unless your group needs you to, can be risky business

[blissful lava]

So since this is the place with the best rogue theorycrafters, what are people thinking on the new cove legendary nerf? Is it still gonna be far enough ahead of doomblade to be worth building?

[hollow river]

Yeah I don’t feel like the ball should be a melee thing

[solid venture]

same for the chains

pretty sure it'll be hotfixed soon™

[idle sinew]

I believe the common theory is that doomblade is still pure ST king for sin, obedience can take the lead when its more than 1 target

[hollow river]

Yeah chains are ass

[lyric light]

The ball definitely shouldn’t be a rogue thing haha

[hollow river]

Nope

[idle sinew]

If you're outlaw it could be but as sin your ramp is too intensive anyways to get damage out

[hollow river]

Maybe outlaw with acrobatic strikes

[blissful lava]

Also let outlaw do the ball thing with their 8 yard range lol

[lyric light]

I had to rebind my back peddle

[hollow river]

LOL

[idle sinew]

The balls really don't have much HP the ranged in your group should just be swapping immediately

Should be a non issue

[hollow river]

Exactly

Well said sir

[lyric light]

Key word immediately

[hollow river]

Our RL made everyone dps balls on NORMAL

[lyric light]

Not once there half way across the map

[hollow river]

When his arcane mage self can pop 1 CD and nuke the ball

[idle sinew]

I can't control your RL or your group but common sense would dictate and immediate ranged swap

🙂

[hollow river]

[delicate bone]

yea, having melee go to the ball is kind of lame

[lyric light]

[blissful lava]

That’s what ours did at first on heroic @hollow river, until they realized how fast they were dying, then put just range on them. However, myself and a feral druid are our top dps by a large margin, so they weren’t drying quite as fast, but still quick enough to get it done

[idle sinew]

A lot of guilds are stuck on Painsmith these woes will be over soon

🙂

[shy quartz]

Are you guys running vigor or deeper strategem? i have 22% haste

[lyric light]

Anyone going to be taking an early gamble on a lego

[idle sinew]

Vigor + EP is the play for 95% of the raid

[limber lion]

Probably making a Doomblade r5 and Obedience r4 personally.

[lyric light]

Vigor purely because I like how it flows especially after playing sub for so long

Waiting for ticks feels like I’m playing classic

[idle sinew]

Vigor + EP is the strongest talent choice this tier for almost every boss

[lyric light]

Yeah same here 100%

[delicate bone]

why doesnt anyone use BS for st?

[idle sinew]

The only boss DS and Blindside are good for really is Guardian

[limber lion]

BS/DS are used together. They're worse than EP/Vig when there's multiple targets, need for burst or generally if the person is getting PI.

[idle sinew]

A lot of the bosses have phasing, and multiple targets. Vigor/EP Shine really well this tier

[limber lion]

But EP/Vig is honestly just the better choice if you prefer the playstyle

They're so close it doesn't really matter.

[blissful lava]

@limber lion so your obedience will be your aoe option? How do you think it will compare on ST?

[delicate bone]

ah fair enough, ive been using BS/DS on primarily st fights

[blissful lava]

I know it was supposed to be miles above on ST, but then they nerfed it by a decent bit

[limber lion]

Well, not really. Obedience is just so I can spec into Sub.

I'll still play Doomblade on every boss as Sin probably.

[limber lion]

That's fine.

[blissful lava]

Oh gotcha, so you won’t really be using obedience on sin?

[limber lion]

Probably not much.

[blissful lava]

Gotcha, yeah the nerf seemed to be pretty rough number wise

[north basin]

btw painsmith really step up in difficulty. do u guys even try to damage balls?

[idle sinew]

Obedience could be the play on a few bosses as sin

[limber lion]

Depends on a lot of things

[idle sinew]

Doomblade is still the ST king

[limber lion]

Like the way the encounter works

[delicate bone]

good to hear since i mainly play assa for boss damage and anything that we struggle on aoe i play outlaw anyways

[limber lion]

Yes

[delicate bone]

i really want to know the best way to manage traps on that fight

[north basin]

but our dps kinda meh on balls. how do we manage it

[limber lion]

But it's not really necessary

[blissful lava]

With getting about 30 stacks when I use flag, so that would be a 15% agi nerf bt the end of it…

[delicate bone]

its a literal cakewalk on normal with no traps

[idle sinew]

you mean 15% vers?

[lyric light]

I found it was a lack of dps but Ranged not initiating them quick enough

[idle sinew]

Obedience is vers stacking not primary

[blissful lava]

Yeah verse, that’s what I meant sorry

[idle sinew]

I think you'll see obedience used on a few bosses with MT, as far as pure ST fights doomblade is going to be a bit ahead

Obedience is a great choice if you're going to flex between sub and sin

[blissful lava]

I haven’t played sub yet as I’ve only been a rogue for a month, but as a 231 sin rogue, I’d be willing to try sub. 😛

[lyric light]

It’s definitely the best all rounder right now

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/EeOij1t.png

rank 7 eye

lets go

[burnt star]

Might also depend on fight length

If obe let u can 1 extra flag

The worth will increase

[delicate bone]

230 ilvl id hope youre rank 7! 😉

[reef axle]

Has sims changed? Seeing logs run ep and vigor now over blindside and deeper

[lyric light]

Nice mate great work

[ebon notch]

i gotta get as many in as i can until obedience comes out

and i get shit on

cause im necro

[north basin]

anyone have real log with sylvanas dagger? wanaa see realtime damage distribution

[ebon notch]

although post nerf isnt looking too hot tbh

[lyric light]

I thought necro was going to be the spicy pick - especially after the obe nerf

[reef axle]

Obe is still good

Just not broken good anymore

[lyric light]

It’s definitely good it’s awesome in fact just not broke

[blissful lava]

There are SOOO many necro sin rogues in the top 10 for EVERY boss on heroic

So necro isn’t doin too poorly

[limber lion]

Sure are

There's also a lot of people who get PI'd

[blissful lava]

That’s also true. Lmao

[rocky pecan]

Pi the shadowland word

[limber lion]

Make sure to scan logs very thoroughly

[blissful lava]

One guy had 7 pi’s when I last checked. Lmao

[glacial seal]

I have noticed than most player do Vanish => Evenom => Mutilate => Envenom to maximize envenom crit, but RaidBot usually do Vanish => Mutilate => Envenom => Mutilate to maximize Flagellation stack, do you guys have number about that ?

[delicate bone]

i dont get PI'd 😢

[limber lion]

What the sim does is better.

But it's very, very minimal.

It doesn't matter honestly.

[delicate bone]

i wish there was a way for wcl to filter out PI

but effects so much

that i dont see it happening

[reef axle]

Hmmm ok I think I get it, ep and vigor are used more in multi enemy fights 🤔?

[idle sinew]

Strong in ST as well

its whatever you prefer

It's barely behind DS/BS

[glacial seal]

Ok thanks, I guessed it was minimal but it doesn't really hurt anyway

[limber lion]

Yes

[blissful lava]

There are also a lot of MT fights in Sanctum, especially in first half of the raid

[north basin]

when we vanish we have 50% bonus crit for 2 abilities or 1?

[reef axle]

Would make sense why a lot of logs outside guardian use it mostly then

[blissful lava]

And fatescribe

[glacial seal]

3

[pure osprey]

@delicate boneI only get pi'd if i help my friend do 5mans 😆

[north basin]

3 sec enough for 3 abilities?

[gusty mirage]

you hope they tune down the damage because right now its ridiculous

[delicate bone]

lolol

i mean thats one way to do it

[gusty mirage]

it's just an insane amount of damage tbh

[blissful lava]

They actually just buffed the trap damage didn’t they?

[delicate bone]

but its definitely killable, so i would like to kill it before the nerf imo

an ego thing xD

[gusty mirage]

oh for sure, but that requires a group that isn't full of potatoes

which I do not have

so I'm praying for some nerfs lol

[delicate bone]

LOL

[blissful lava]

Lol

[delicate bone]

wanna see potatoes

top damage on balls is melee

[gusty mirage]

I'm green parsing and finishing top 3 on DPS

[delicate bone]

ranged are straight asleep

or something

idfk

[gusty mirage]

bruh in my pug

there was a demo lock that was legit padding on the balls

[delicate bone]

this isnt a pug xD

[gusty mirage]

half a million damage to them

[blissful lava]

It only counts damage to the first ball destroyed in logs

[delicate bone]

yea

[blissful lava]

It states that on the page with painsmith

[delicate bone]

but you can still see the attempted padding

[gusty mirage]

well that'd require the boss to die for it to show up

lmao

[brisk imp]

boomkin starfall is peak ball padding

[gusty mirage]

wiped 7 times on painsmith in normal and I dipped so quick

[delicate bone]

if you switch to damage taken and filter to the balls

[blissful lava]

@gusty mirage yeah I parse in the 50s sometimes, and still end top 2, me and a feral druid are always top 2. xD

[gusty mirage]

it hurts the soul tbh

its deep emotional pain

[delicate bone]

oh no.. what i showed was from heroic

normal was kind of cake in comparrison

fuck those traps on heroic

[blissful lava]

When I parse 80s, he’s gotta parse a 95 or better to keep up. Lol

[gusty mirage]

there are no traps on normal and the fights so much easier

so imagine wiping 7 times on that

[toxic quail]

I finally killed Painsmith with my guild last night after 69 fucking wipes. Had to drop the group down to a 13 man of all our best mechanically inclined players to drop it. Not fucking good.

Heroic.

I’m not even ready for the madness mythic brings.

[gusty mirage]

perks are that it really is a fun fight

[delicate bone]

i like the fight and the difficulty on heroic

[robust pasture]

Any other night faers out there

[toxic quail]

You aren’t wrong. It’s fun as hell. Just way too much dmg going out.

[idle star]

We got close to downing nerzuul. My god dam dagger drops off him. Im so pissed we missed it

[delicate bone]

its just getting people other than myself and our Havoc to execute it

[gusty mirage]

it's just one of those fights where stupidity is put on full display

[delicate bone]

Nerzuul is another really fun fight on assassination

shadowsteps are so useful for uptime

[toxic quail]

Nerzuul is fucking wild fun.

[gusty mirage]

half my pulls on remnant were sub because it took 15 pulls for people to figure out which way to face when getting dispelled

I needed the 2nd shadowstep to survive being yeeted off the edge

[toxic quail]

Hahahaha Oxi.

The pain.

[idle star]

Whatever the boss is with thr chains. We wiped a good 1.5 hours of our raid on him and only had 25 mins for nerzuul. So annouing missing a chance at 239 dagger

[gusty mirage]

dude legit one person just jumped off the edge on one pull

[delicate bone]

we tried the mass dispel priest lifegrip cheese

[gusty mirage]

like bruh

[strange silo]

Hey is it safe to say that we can upgrade the dmg dom sockets? and yea i read the pins it says unholy set + both dps shards just wanna be sure

[delicate bone]

and that was fucking fun lol

[idle star]

If no nerfs happen yall can kiss mythic prog past 3-4 bosses goodbye

[gusty mirage]

this is just looking like another 5/10M or 6/10M tier for my guild

someonesavemepls

[delicate bone]

not really

we have like no gear rn

[blissful lava]

More gear will make this raid waaaay easier

[strange python]

there's a lot of power curve to go through yet

[toxic quail]

Yeah I transferred to Area 52 to this guild that looked better than my last guild but I don’t think that’s really the case after seeing how the fair in this heroic raid thus far.

[gusty mirage]

yeah heroic will end up being a lot easier when we're not chilling at 224-227 from last tier

[toxic quail]

So I wasted money on a transfer.

[delicate bone]

yea were talking about mythic prog with < 230 ilvl right now

[blissful lava]

Look at Nathria a couple months after release, was basically a dps fest minus Donny

[gusty mirage]

Area 52 gang

[pure osprey]

what boss does the sanctum quest skip too

[gusty mirage]

I think it skips straight to sylv

[toxic quail]

It better skip to Slyv with the damn hike we gotta take. Haha

This raid is too damn big.

[brazen rampart]

Since the skip item drops from kt, it would skip to him, not sylvanas

[toxic quail]

I love the aesthetic. But damnnn.

[pure osprey]

ahh i wondered. im in a casual guild thats only doin heroic, so i havent cleared normal >.>

[delicate bone]

yea its a skip to KT and sylv

[idle star]

True. Like im 222ilvl with 220 weps.

[blissful lava]

The raid is big? What about the hike TO the raid itself? Lmao

Past all those elites?

[idle star]

Silly not to clear normal

[brazen rampart]

They should've put a mid - raid skip just because it's so linear

[gusty mirage]

can we discuss why blizzard decided to put so much trash in the raid?

[brazen rampart]

Maybe on painsmith or smth

[toxic quail]

Y’all should have seen the pain of my guild trying to 30 man Painsmith for 10 pulls then realizing it’s impossible.

[idle star]

The trash is ez pz tho

[gusty mirage]

@brazen rampart agreed, I think it'd be nice to have multiple skip options

[toxic quail]

That what the biggest shit show.

[gusty mirage]

LOL

how many traps go out at 30?

[idle star]

Im glad my bis helm and a good wep drops off boss before painsmith then lol

[toxic quail]

I think it was 5. I don’t remember exactly cause I was so mad.

[delicate bone]

were rogues, its cake 🙂

[toxic quail]

I was like kick people or I’m leaving.

This ain’t it.

[grim tangle]

pretty sure there are always 4 traps no matter how many players you have

[blissful lava]

Yeah, but my mage has a hell of a time, only have 1 chance to go invis. xD

My rogue just stealths and shadowsteps around every elite there. xD

And then I Door of Shadows around the 1 eye that happened true sight. Lmao

[toxic quail]

Lemme look at my VOD. I’m sure Yellow is right about 4 traps.

[delicate bone]

the trap number scales off of people in the raid

i believe we had 3 when we trimmed down some

[raven vapor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[toxic quail]

Yeah we had 4 on the 30 man. Then last night when we did killed it during our 13 man we still had 4 traps.

We tried a 10 man but still had 4 traps. And tanks were getting them too. So it’s fucked.

[grim tangle]

less than 4 would make it way easier and more than 4 would be almost impossible

[gusty mirage]

we had 3 at 22ish people?

I don't remember nor do I want to

just leave it lost in the back of my brain

[delicate bone]

interesting, every guide ive seen has it at 3 traps too

im confused if it was like stealth buffed to 4 ? lmao, that would be some shit

[gusty mirage]

4 traps popping for 20% of everyone's health

gl healers

[toxic quail]

Yeah idk dude. That’s why my guild decided to lower the comp down 2 tanks 3 heals 8 dps. And we still barely killed it cause so much dmg going out.

[gusty mirage]

I feel like it'll be much more manageable when we're all 230+ ilvl

[delicate bone]

i feel like ive seen people 5 heal it

[toxic quail]

I parsed blue cause I was just trying to fucking live. Popping crimson and feint and cloak on cd.

[gusty mirage]

but right now it feels overtuned for 225-227ilvl

[winged basin]

We are going in with 5 heals tonight on painsmith

[toxic quail]

Just trying to help healers. Haha

I never felt so unsafe my entire time during a boss. Not even mythic Sire.

[drifting cloud]

🤔

[teal bloom]

I ran heroic SoD droptimizer for dungeonslice and I don't understand how a ilevel 239 haste crit helmet would be a 0.1% downgrade compared to my ilevel 226 haste mastery M+ helmet

[alpine latch]

Mastery > crit for dungeonslice, clearly

[gusty mirage]

how are the secondaries weighted on the items? Plus you might have a ton of crit already

but 0.1% is kind of a crap shoot

[teal bloom]

100 crit 51 haste on 239 and 92 haste 50 mastery on 226. 239 has 11 more agility though. Didn't think that secondaries would have such a big impact lol. You can put a domination gem in the helmet which makes it better but still

[gusty mirage]

yeah that is odd

[teal bloom]

There's other weird things like 239 bracers with same secondary stat distribution simming 0.8% less than my 229 bracers with socket. Sockets are more important on bracers but idk how the fuck you lose 60 dps by switching bracers with similar stat distribution

[narrow garnet]

Does Sylvanas's daggers are still 'not cumulative" ? like 2 rogues withh it

[delicate bone]

sounds like youre scuffing something lol

[slender berry]

are you using cube trinket?

and maybe the stat you get gets fucked up

[north basin]

painsmith really mythic difficulty

-_-

on hc

[delicate bone]

its not mythic

its just a hard fight

[north basin]

harder than pervious mythics

[delicate bone]

no

[north basin]

in nathira

[delicate bone]

we just have no gear

[teal bloom]

No im using phial and dreadfire vessel

[north basin]

maybe.

[harsh anchor]

I mean ~226-228 vs the 6th boss in a 239+ tuned boss. Maybe even lower for those who didn’t cash in on vault each week or didn’t do mythic nathria. Gonna be tough - ilvl isn’t all of it of course but it’s a factor

[north basin]

well many already killed it. but the ramp up difficulty curve was unexpected

from pervious 5 bosses

[delicate bone]

itll probably get nerfed just from the amount of people complaining about it

but if its killable as we see many people do, i dont think it really needs a nerf

just more gear and a decent group

[north basin]

its maybe not even gear. but balls on u and spikes from side at same time xD

too hard for casuals

[delicate bone]

its is heroic week 1

[gusty mirage]

yeah people forget how rough CN was first week

[alpine latch]

So, do we know for sure if the dagger is actually fixed for us and Sub yet?

[celest sail]

your raids have multiple rogues?

[alpine latch]

We have 3, yeah

I'm not a CE/HoF raider

[gusty mirage]

able bodied players playing something they enjoy > "meta" for non-HoF guilds

[alpine latch]

We'll end up 6-7 out of 10 in Mythic

[celest sail]

crazy, i was pugging and had like 3 other rogues on painsmith, then they all left

[alpine latch]

And we'll have a shitload of fun while we do it

[dull cloak]

pugging painsmith yikes. success rate will be low

[teal bloom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dVah32iKyirfKNtXs8ZGSr These bracers are so bad but I don't understand why lol. You lose 10 secondary stats but gain 5 agility. I'd understand if it was like +-10 dps

[charred wraith]

I pugged hc painsmith bc i missed the kill with the guild, wasnt that bad, not even traumatising

[rustic cosmos]

Hey, generally when im playing with crimson tempest, do i use that on single target ?

[alpine latch]

You keep it up as long as you're not in a Shiv window

[gusty mirage]

yeah idk, it's not like you have an obnoxious amount of crit either

oh

maybe because of gemstones

crit becomes less valuable?

[spice spire]

When you’re NL, haste stonks go much higher in general

[gusty mirage]

but the more agi should outweigh that difference anyway

[spice spire]

I agree

Crit stonks not particularly down

[teal bloom]

Dungeonslice stat weight says mastery > crit > vers > haste

[slow marsh]

yeah idk i would be slow to trust 226 things siming higher than 239 right now

[white jetty]

helloo, if i send a parse would anyone be willing to tell me my mistakes? its a green parse :( and really wanna become better
im a new sin and (i believe) i got the basics down: keeping up the dots, the opener, shiv in cooldown. not sure how to go forward though
thanks!

[lone wren]

if you have shiv off cooldown but your CT is not up or is about to fall off, is it better to reappply CT before entering shiv or delay shiv to get CT running first then go in the shiv window?

[gusty mirage]

slam shiv on CD, reapply CT after shiv

[spice spire]

You can post in here and have multiple people (constructively) go through it with you!

[white jetty]

thanks :)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TXF4wxhamkr3ZvKV#fight=47&type=damage-done&source=207

here it is! please let me know what i should be getting into and watching out for, really appreciate it thanks :)

[delicate bone]

the cheap shot xD

i know that was an accident

weve all been there

[lone wren]

thank you, and that applies to the opener as well?

[white jetty]

HAHAHA

yes, it pissed me off so much i literally took off the key bind

[gusty mirage]

nah you'd want to open with 3x garrotes into a CT

assuming aoe

[spice spire]

Very little actually, outside of going in depth with sequencing.

• Cheap shot, you saw, unlucky.
• you also have about ten wasted combo points, which is two finishers that are missed (this is not including seal fate which you CANNOT help)

Other than that, a HYPER unlucky kill timer also effects it

[lone wren]

no im speaking single target when you have taken CT

[gusty mirage]

@teal bloom I ran it again on the nightly build and its -64 dps now

[spice spire]

4:15 and your damage would look a lot better as you could vanish/vendetta and get some more value from it

But 4:03 means you’re missing the third cast of two fairly bursty CDs and that’s a feel bad

[gusty mirage]

the only thing I can possibly think of is that primary stat gains on wrists are small so that the socket is just more dps than the agi gain

[spice spire]

Also on sequencing, on opener you can sbs > snd > then go to your rupture. Flubbing on a vanish also effects it

[white jetty]

yes im having a pretty hard time bursting more towards the fight, should i always do vendetta vanish shiv (and do i save a shiv?)

[spice spire]

But the biggest problems I see were the unlucky cheap shots and wasted CP. both minimal

[echo geyser]

yo

so i was just curious for next week

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p76dirGeXpEwnqPQQk5iKT

can u guys find anything weird in this sim?

[spice spire]

You don’t wanna waste a global of vendetta on shiv. So you could shiv > vendetta > vanish > continue on

[echo geyser]

obedience 1.8% loss

is it cause its not enabled cause im not 48 ?

[cobalt pelican]

it'd be more than a 1.8% loss in that case

[white jetty]

alright alright, and in vanish do i mutilate or ambush or whats the dealio when in stealth?

[cobalt pelican]

just looks like your gloves are shit and you're moving your lego to a 233 existing slot

for ref it's a ~50 dps loss for me

on weds

[echo geyser]

wait a sec

[spice spire]

Always mutilate in stealth - only ambush during a bs proc

[echo geyser]

my shard wasnt added

[white jetty]

nice, ill keep that in mind then and try not wasting cps :)

[echo geyser]

checking again

[cobalt pelican]

the frost shard?

[echo geyser]

i have a red one

[spice spire]

Best of luck king

[white jetty]

ooh ok thanks! i was almost always (trying to ambun - outlaw tendency) and ended cheap shotting

[echo geyser]

ok now its doing weird shit

[cobalt pelican]

the original sim looks fine

[spice spire]

Hahahahah - yeah ambush less good for us 🙂
Especially when you have BS - you mut for more CP+ muting gives a potential bs proc

[quaint sequoia]

I'm considering switching to vent, how fast can u catch up to renown

do I have to spam m+ to make it before reset?

[spice spire]

You’ll have to do a bit, higher drop rates, world boss gives 3 renown afaik

Quite a bit

[half oriole]

I sim higher on st as necro then venth any ideas why?

[cobalt pelican]

link the sim

[echo geyser]

not simming best conduits maybe

aka lashing

[half oriole]

Best conduites an lashing

Sending link

1 sec

[echo geyser]

here we go @cobalt pelican https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/okYLoFvRQPBmSsXmnzi27T

[cobalt pelican]

226 gloves will be better than 220 with the frost shard likely ram, if you have the blood gem that's ticked on the sim you have to enable socket changing

[echo geyser]

now it doesnt look AS bad

1%

lol

still yikes

[cobalt pelican]

yeah, that's about in line with my char

still crafting r4 for sub but

[echo geyser]

maybe i craft doom cloak lmao

[cobalt pelican]

likely crafting r5 doomblade first

[noble umbra]

is anyone able to help me with a log?

[spice spire]

Of course

[cobalt pelican]

i think obed still has some real world upside from timings but

[noble umbra]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J3pBHKCGM1gwFTXA/#fight=42&phase=1&type=damage-done

[cobalt pelican]

i don't know those well enough yet to make decisions based on them

[echo geyser]

its a shame obed isnt clear cut winner for assa now

and bad for outlaw

[noble umbra]

p1 sylavannas i feel like im not doing nearly what i should

[cobalt pelican]

just times i've been like 'maaan' like the last flag in sylv p1 and painsmith

[half oriole]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/Hxk6oookN7AzwSAz3KQan

[spice spire]

Don’t look at wipes, I’ll check rotation n stuff but wipes are always a fiesta to look at lol

[echo geyser]

cant decide if i make r5 obedience or not

[noble umbra]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J3pBHKCGM1gwFTXA/#fight=last&type=damage-done

there is the kill

[cobalt pelican]

if you're planning on raiding every boss as assassination (which i don't think will ever be a bad decision even if not the outright best in some cases) i would

obedience is more versatile and more burst-centric so maybe but

idk

it's hard

[half oriole]

Thoughts on why am simming higher as necro st?

[echo geyser]

idk sims worse but, maybe cdr will actually have good value

seems to have cds faster is better always than not

usually at least

[neon pasture]

Many bosses you have to hold flag a little tho

[noble umbra]

in what situations do you hold flag?

[neon pasture]

Like you don't wanna flag during shields on the nine, dance on garrosh dude, middle of dispells nerzhul etc

[radiant dirge]

Anyone know how good the HM tazavesh trink is? Ticking Sack of terror

[spice spire]

Hold flag when you won’t miss a cast - other than that the only thing I saw that was hyper alarming was just a bit of wasted energy

[peak bobcat]

You can flag during those use your utility to avoid

[spice spire]

Considering you’re doing bs/ds almost 10% wasted on p1 is a bit sketch

Your opener is a bit wonky. You really want to flag before your rupture then go into vendetta / vanish ASAP but into a window you find useful. You just want to maximize your CP spent during the flag windows

[cobalt pelican]

idk actually on the necro one, even blindside/ds necro sims better for you

[half oriole]

Its weird

[noble umbra]

yeah 100% something weird was happening on pull tho

it was like 2 second delay

[half oriole]

Is it because of stats?

[noble umbra]

for everyone in raid

[spice spire]

Boss also buggy af

From what I’ve seen -

[noble umbra]

also im a noob

whats bs/ds

[spice spire]

Really nothing MAJOR missing. And my bad

You’re actually ep/vigor

The talents

[cobalt pelican]

it's very likely something to do with stats blitz

but what is a bit harder

[spice spire]

That’s just not a lot of energy gained in p1, so it must have been quick

[noble umbra]

another thing ive noticed is comparing to other assas rogues my avg cast of evenom does significantly less

and its not always down to crit %

that poor use of shiv windows?

[spice spire]

Could be

[noble umbra]

is there a general rule in how much pooling to do before shiv?

i guess the aim is 3 evenoms right?

[spice spire]

Okay I’m going a bit mental here

[austere gorge]

which spec is better for M+ ?

still outlaw?

[spice spire]

Nvm - found the solution, downtime on painsmith doesn’t account for energy consumption thank goodness

[balmy condor]

Until about 30 from max

[balmy condor]

Aim is to cast shiv on cooldown, regardless of your envenoms

[alpine latch]

Are you considering DPS, stuns, or what?

[austere gorge]

dps?

[alpine latch]

Then probably Sub

[balmy condor]

Shiv is an uptime debuff, it’s not a burst cooldown

[alpine latch]

Current sims have Sub higher in ST and dungeonslice

[noble umbra]

what do you mean by that whispyr

[spice spire]

But for 900+ haste your energy regen seems GIGA low and I’m trying to figure out why - looking at fights outside of what you show btw

[noble umbra]

@spice spire me?

[spice spire]

Yes

[echo geyser]

something i did when first time swapping specs between bosses in CN was not applying deadly/instant poison @spice spire

[noble umbra]

i def had poisons up

[spice spire]

That’s on there tho

[echo geyser]

i didnt realize they were diff on specs

[spice spire]

He’s not missing that

And yeah they are

Done it before

[sterile perch]

With no big cds. Should you pool your energy to a certain amount before casting another envelope or just spam envelope when you can get 4 or 5 cp

Envenom*

[balmy condor]

The debuff shiv applies, you’re aiming for uptime. It’s not a button that allows you to burst, so trying to go for like 3 envenoms is worthless, you’re trying to maximize the uptime of the debuff

[noble umbra]

ngl i feel energy stavred all the time

[quaint carbon]

can we still get renom if going into CN ? (from 40 to 44?)

[alpine latch]

I'm not going to lie... I was lowkey hoping Sub got hit with a tiny nerf. I really don't want to have to go Sub

[noble umbra]

ok so never hold shiv ever? @balmy condor just pure cast on cd spell

[spice spire]

Maybe I’m lit -

[balmy condor]

You pool on envenom outside of shiv/vend/flag. During those, you don’t pool

[balmy condor]

Yes

[alpine latch]

Technically, you hold shiv if you know you're going to have to move off of the boss for 10+ seconds, right?

But other than that case you should never hold it.

[balmy condor]

No

You only hold shiv to line it back up with vendetta

[alpine latch]

IE, if a ball is spawning on Painsmith in 2 seconds, it's better to hold it for the ball than use it on Painsmith

[balmy condor]

False

[alpine latch]

really?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[alpine latch]

So even if I'm not hitting Painsmith it's better to just use it?

And not on the ball?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[alpine latch]

interesting, okay

[spice spire]

Hitting the ball

[balmy condor]

Also balls really aren’t your problem to begin with

[alpine latch]

We have a melee-heavy comp

[spice spire]

We do too - but the ball had pretty low HP

[alpine latch]

It's gotta happen

[balmy condor]

And they’re gonna die before the entire shiv runs it’s course as well

And they don’t come out every 25 seconds so your gonna be missing casts

It’s just all bad

[cobalt pelican]

you definitely hold it if you're not hitting the target lol

using it on cd is sim advice for a real world situation

damage inside shiv is like, 6-8% passive dp

[delicate bone]

LOL

[indigo valley]

If we’ve done everything possible for cinders, should we be able to craft a rank 5 on this reset?

[cobalt pelican]

yes

assuming they don't fuck the hotfix for cinders

[lone wren]

question for venthyr assassins, with obi legendary becoming available this week. If your initial flag duration has about 2-3 seconds left and you only have 2 or 3 combo points, is it worth spending those combo points to get a few more stacks of the flag buff?

[balmy condor]

No

#assassination message

Read about 3-4 minutes of that

[mental trout]

So guys, returning player here. Played a little bit at the end of bfa but before that it’s been a few xpacs. I’ve never parsed this low in my life 😢 even in bfa with the wrong corruptions and coming in super late I was parsing much better then this, I went through the time line of my casts and didn’t see any thing major wrong (from my limited knowledge) if any one can look over some of my logs from heroic last night and point out what’s wrong I’d greatly appreciate it! Btw I changed my covenant guy to gemstone since I seen all the top rouges using him, but not until after the raid. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6nAzNvqFGDQHLbdT/

[quaint sequoia]

I fucking hate the new torghast

[echo geyser]

@cobalt pelican would u say its not bad to just craft a doomblade cloak as well then?

[lone wren]

thank you

[cobalt pelican]

i think it's what's most likely to be best for sin across the gearing curve yeah

but honestly either work

and i'm not 100% decided on what i'm crafting yet

i think i'll likely craft r5 doom cloak, r4 obed cloak next week

and then go from there

[stone parcel]

same

[spice spire]

Checked soulrender specifically - hella energy lost (could be to chain mechanics/he’s not able to be hit due to ground mechanic) but missing a lot of shiv casts is one thing I see that I’d work on! 🙂

[strange python]

Has anyone tried using shadowstep on one of the spiked balls on painsmith? Just curious what side of the ball it puts u

[lone wren]

i did try it

[strange python]

Been too worried to try it lol

[lone wren]

instantly killed me

[ancient crag]

[lone wren]

it gets you too close and it triggers it

[ancient crag]

If im lazy I shadowstep a mage who blinks it

[dull cloak]

why step balls tho

just run through o.

[spice spire]

Just step to a lock

[astral leaf]

That’s why we play cheat death

[lone wren]

no one should be spending globals/time blinking or porting through the balls, that GCD should be spent on killing the ball for everyone to walk through

[scenic meteor]

is renown 45 the max i can be rn?

[spice spire]

Yes

[lone wren]

only times people should blink or what not is if they have the spike and can safely blink to the other side away from the raid

[scenic meteor]

can we get to 48 this week?

at reset i mean

[winged basin]

THIS IS WHAT IM DOING LOL LOVE IT

[winged basin]

Yessir

[spice spire]

Yes

[pseudo nimbus]

Hi, quick question. If my rupture is ending and shiv comes of cooldown. Do i shiv, renew rupture and then continue rotation, or renew rupture and then shiv? I know that today people said to use shiv on CD if it isn't <= 10 sec to vendetta. Thx for clarifying 🙂

[spice spire]

There will be anima + torghast stuff + covenant quest

[scenic meteor]

yay

[spice spire]

Slam shiv on CD, if you have to renew rupture, just renew.

[simple wadi]

It puts you right on top of the balls - so dead

[pseudo nimbus]

Thank you!

[worthy moth]

why haste is best for single but on my sims's showing crit the best stats on my items?

assassination is driving me crazy man

[dull cloak]

i venthyr port balls if i have chains

[tardy knoll]

Im reading the guides regard assassination, except the vanish/vendeta combo and pooling energy for shiv, we press everything on cd, we don't do anything fancy right?

[delicate bone]

idk why every tries to get to the other side of the balls

just let ranged kill one

and walk through

[azure flare]

Most mages use shimmer isnt on a global that's why they prefer that

[plain thistle]

trust what is best for your character, not what is "generally" better

[dawn condor]

I play a 34% crit build and it‘s totally fine. Imo we don‘t need to stack haste

[azure flare]

Stats change based on your gear

[plain thistle]

stats weights changes a lot with different things

[balmy condor]

The forbidden number

[plain thistle]

[azure flare]

He's the one

[spice spire]

The chosen one

[plain thistle]

the nameless one

[spice spire]

34% crit king

[dawn condor]

What have i missed?😂

[spice spire]

Old memes

[scenic root]

Are you venthyr and using IQD? My sims show crit better to proc crit on IQD.

[nimble tinsel]

If I do this it doesn't die 😦

[crystal blaze]

Change your guildmates then

[delicate bone]

they have like no health... very easy to kill

if ranged actually swap when they spawn

[nimble tinsel]

Oh I'm aware lol

[echo geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/krGUM1quwKs5BKbCEv4ckv

sad thought the dom socket would carry

[gusty mirage]

this man did it

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

he's almost 7400

Ramfam the legend

[echo geyser]

i thought i was gonna craft doom cloak

but the 220 gloves dom socket is too shit

[gusty mirage]

yeah I looked at it

and I was like I'll just wait for rngesus

lol

[strange python]

is there any way to farm daggers ? 😄 been spamming PF 10-15's all week but no luck with either the phial nor any daggers

[scenic root]

I thought maim, mangle was trash

[echo geyser]

wonder if the gems are underperforming or anything

[nimble tinsel]

220 gloves dom socket was only like 70 dps upgrade over my 226 gloves, and that's with the 3rd upgrade on the dps unholy shard

[echo geyser]

im trying sylvanas so i guess the red gem is garbage right?

[gusty mirage]

it is compared to the covenant conduit and wps

at least it was at lower ilvl

[echo geyser]

@gusty mirage my sim

[wintry mica]

does crimson tempest have a target cap?

[nimble tinsel]

It can be competitive with Doomblade

[echo geyser]

maim wins

[gusty mirage]

yes

yeah I've noticed it's performing better

[scenic root]

Why I asked. In pins it's at last priority. Excluding the comment on doing well with doomblade. Didn't think it was that good

[echo geyser]

yeah always best to just try sim urself

[gusty mirage]

^

[echo geyser]

some ppl had wps win

[scenic root]

Are your other conduits 226? Or still lower

[gusty mirage]

WPS and Maim were super close for me

[echo geyser]

all my conduits are 226 now

[scenic root]

I would have to check, I think I had a few not 226, which was simming myself into sudden fractures

[sand sigil]

childs play ram

[strange silo]

Hey guys can someone tell me how hard i fcked up https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W8n12CBcd6jfvkaY#fight=43&type=damage-done&source=3 ?
i know i atleast missed 1-2 flag

[spice spire]

Give us the good coach

[echo geyser]

it wasnt to show off i just thought doom cloak was better cause dom gloves @sand sigil

turns out it wasnt

expected more from dom gems

[spice spire]

Wasted over 1/6th of your energy @strange silo

[sand sigil]

ahhh

[spice spire]

Wanted 6 CP on muts which you SHOULD avoid, but isn’t like make or break on like a 7 minute fight almost

[sand sigil]

well i mean it is r1 gem, only has at most 50% uptime

[nimble tinsel]

To be fair dom gloves are trash stats

[sand sigil]

15 ilv kinda big

[echo geyser]

yeah its the buyable ones

[sand sigil]

i am juiced out of my mind

[echo geyser]

show sim

[sand sigil]

1 unholy shard away from unholy set bonus and should be 237 ilv after going into mythic raid lol

[echo geyser]

fookin hell

[gusty mirage]

JPC straight flexin his love from RNJesus

[spice spire]

Hard flexing James, HUGE

[sand sigil]

i have 246 pvp wep to buy, both mythic boes, 3 dom socket pieces in bags and 2 unholy shards, and vault to pick tmrw

[red burrow]

Why open with 5 mutilate?

[spice spire]

Been on the grustle this week, show em whatcha got chief

[spice spire]

It’s 3. But even then oh no

[worthy moth]

im venthyr

[strange python]

damn james

[gusty mirage]

OH mut parried

[spice spire]

Logs have a weird bug where they show both hits of Mut under different casts

Think it’s unintended anyway

[red burrow]

Ohh right

[strange python]

spare some unholy shards?

[red burrow]

But still 3 them

[spice spire]

Ye

Bit weird

[sand sigil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8QuJfJ2jMdL5hC9y7Qxq1A @echo geyser

[scenic meteor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[echo geyser]

juiced up

[rustic whale]

did they fixed our poison bug?

[spice spire]

Another thing to help with uptime, fancy. Stepping to boss on second knock back really saves your uptime on boss I saw step casted only once 😦

[scenic meteor]

you can only equip one of these right?

[spice spire]

Yes

[alpine latch]

Yes, only 1 230 item

[scenic meteor]

ah okay

i bought one and got haste vers 😄

[scenic root]

Opener is wrong here. Shived way to early, and SnD should be first finisher, not Rupture

[rustic whale]

is there any cap on haste ? i have 30 crit and haste atm planning to go versa from now on

[spice spire]

No, there’s no cap. There’s drs at 30% but afaik it doesn’t change a ton

[rustic whale]

that anima charge trinket is a dps loss. Try to replace it with another external dps trinkets like shadowgrasp-dreadfire vessel

[scenic root]

Even IQD is better ( assuming to get your crit higher than haste)

[rustic whale]

i dropped 229 this week and it was a 250dps loss if vs with 226 shadowgrasp totem

we already suffering 200-300dps loss from poison i guess

[odd hazel]

The poison isn’t near that at all

[rustic whale]

just to wonder, any report has been sent to blizz by high level rogues?

[odd hazel]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[odd hazel]

300 is a reach

[shut flame]

Guys, how's assa nowadays in m+?

[winged basin]

How long has DP been bugged now anyways?

[azure bronze]

I think for more then a year?

[spice spire]

It’s fine, worst of the three but still very good

[winged basin]

Jeeez, I wonder where that sits on blizzards priority list

[azure bronze]

BtE also has been bugged since Shadowlands prepatch I believe

[winged basin]

What a sad day

[hollow river]

DP?

Oh poison

Very sad day

[vestal wren]

hard to say tbh but the bug was just found recently by one in here

[winged basin]

wonder what spaghetti codes got that all messed up haha

[hollow river]

What’s wrong with BtE?

[vestal wren]

sth like this can happen always, every hotfix has potential to cause some issues

[winged basin]

Word, I thought it was something recent, such a silly little interaction too

[vestal wren]

its easy to miss

[winged basin]

Definitely

[vestal wren]

because you don't rly see it unless you specifically look for it

[winged basin]

I don’t blame them, just such a little interaction to be goofed

You definitely wouldn’t notice unless you were looking for it

[vestal wren]

this is why its great to have the tools (wcl/combatlogs) to investigate into stuff like this

[quaint carbon]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[vestal wren]

and ofc a big community that helps us find stuff like this

[fervent atlas]

!STATS

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[winged basin]

Definitely, I wish I was at a level to analyze things like that. I am such a terrible player lmao

[fallen fable]

Seems like Blindside is not being used anymore? People playing with elaborate on almost every boss

[echo geyser]

some ppl sim better with either setup

or it boils down to preference in playstyle

[vestal wren]

EP becomes better with higher gear levels usually

[fallen fable]

It will probably sim better for me too than. got 227. Gonna sim it. Thx

[spice spire]

Bs/DS also works better with venthyr which we had a large shift to

[fallen fable]

yeah i went too

[hollow river]

BtE causes an animation bug?

Never noticed lol

[half siren]

Hey fellas, does anyone have any Info on Obedience post nerf? Wondering if I need to craft it

[trail mica]

where can i find necrolord assassin build/opener stuff like that?

[spice spire]

Pins

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[spice spire]

Should have it!

[hollow river]

Check the pins in each channel for sims of max ilvl gear on each spec. Other than that for now you should sim yourself to see if it’s better for you

[half siren]

Appreciate it !

[hollow river]

It tends to be better for sub especially in ST encounters

And sin cleave/aoe

Not bad for sin ST either

[strange silo]

@rustic whale sry just read it now anima charge trinket dps loss even if i macro it into flagelation or vendetta? i already tried to get those no luck this and last id :d

[karmic narwhal]

hey guys i was wondering when should we play elaborate planning + vigor instead of blindside + deeper ?

[potent barn]

play what you prefer for me it's like 10 dps diff

[thick sail]

Can someone explain the Deadly Poison bug?

[spice spire]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[velvet escarp]

something to note is that Blindside proc chance increases when target is below 35% health, so don't run it on Sylvanas since the fight ends around 50%

[vestal wren]

you can sim the diffrence

by setting the enemy health to be fixed or not go below X %

[balmy condor]

I mean

raidbots allows people to do that

people won't do that though

[vestal wren]

true

[balmy condor]

gotta read the room man

[dim temple]

Is Sylvanas daggers bugged just hear people talking?

[balmy condor]

no

[dim temple]

ty

[karmic narwhal]

ok thanks guys

ill sim

[velvet escarp]

how do you do that? I've looked through all the selectable options but don't see it. Do i have to modify the APL myself?

[balmy condor]

you have to add custom line to an advanced sim

I don't have it on me, but the syntax is in the github documentation

[vestal wren]

enemy_death_pct=50

if you want the fight to end at 50%

(keep in mind this also means higher impact from effects that work on higher hp %)

[verbal flower]

is it a huge benefit waiting for vendetta to be up before casting flag

[balmy condor]

you sync only if you're not missing casts

[shell cloud]

Hey, I will raid soulrender on hc today and i saw the most people are using crimson tempest. How do you use it on adds? Get cp from fok and then spend it on crimson insted of rupture?

[balmy condor]

yes

you maintain CT as a dot

[velvet escarp]

ohh cool :) thanks whispyr & fuu. So I just copy the APL from the Ravenholdt Assa github, then stick the line in?

[shell cloud]

Should I use it insted of rapture?

[balmy condor]

no, can just add that alone at the bottom

[vestal wren]

go to advanced (on raidbots)
copy the line
paste your /simc below
hit sim

you can try if it works if you paste it in custom apl

(as this would allow you to use it in other modes of raidbots)

[cold rampart]

guys always save flag with vandetta ?

[vestal wren]

but i can not guarantee that

[gusty mirage]

@cold rampart

[vestal wren]

if you don't lose cast on the fight you do

[verbal flower]

does CT give envenom another 5% damage while running doomblade

[rustic whale]

until you change it i can't say anything. Just do not macro it with Flag if you are in bloodlust/hero

[mossy crown]

are people using oils or stone for raid?

[kind talon]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[strange silo]

alright i try to change it asap then maybe i get lucky in vault

[velvet escarp]

the advanced sims worked yay :) not the custom one in top gear sadly

[granite fjord]

Has anyone made the covenant change from NF to NL? If so, have you noticed a difference in raid damage?

[odd hazel]

From NF? A LOT

Venth and necro is so far ahead of that covenant

[scenic root]

Most people are venthyr, and may look to go back Necro if they want to play outlaw. Not many are NF still.

[granite fjord]

So worth the change in covenant?

[odd hazel]

Yes

[robust pasture]

Stay NF

[granite fjord]

Guess I’m grinding out my new covenant then, lol

[scenic root]

What are you wanting to do in game?

[granite fjord]

Raid/mythics

[vestal wren]

good to know

[scenic root]

Then if you are trying to maximize your dps, either switch to Necro or venthyr.

[granite fjord]

Will try Necro, thanks everyone!

[vestal wren]

venthyr if you want to play sub too

[bleak notch]

hey, help pls.. 🙂
whats better 220 pants hast-vers or 239 pants from thrash with crit + mast? does +30 agi better when 78 haste? (got 27% haste)

[heavy coral]

Should i use flagellation on cd or should i line it up with vendetta (doomblade leggo)?

[vestal wren]

what sims better emak?

[odd hazel]

On CD unless. You’ll miss a cast

[jagged osprey]

someone pls help

[oblique sky]

what covenant do you guys recomend if i want to play assa pve/pvp

[jagged osprey]

im trying to sim different legendaries

but most of them arent showing up when i enable them on raidbots

[scenic meteor]

venth

[oblique sky]

necro not good for pvp?

[vestal wren]

tick this

[tardy knoll]

we don't pool energy or CP before right? just use it on cd

[jagged osprey]

aye ive ticked it :/

[alpine latch]

I believe Necrolord Sin is the best PvP combo. One of our guys is pushing for 2400 this season and that's what he is going.

[jagged osprey]

but for example doomblade doesnt show up on cloak

[oblique sky]

yeah playing it too, do you know what comp is he playing?

[alpine latch]

RMP

That's all he plays

[oblique sky]

and he plays assa in rmp?

most rogues play sub in rmp

[alpine latch]

He is moving to that, he was Sub in 9.0

[oblique sky]

i see

ty ^^