assassination

[thorny pond]

Huntsman logs

[thin trout]

Gz on trinket

[thorny pond]

Because I assume you’re playing MA

[thin trout]

I'm sad obedience got nerfed man

[tribal marlin]

It's still a very good legendary

might be substantially better than doomblade in certain situations

while still being equal in standards patchwerk sims*

[graceful mirage]

i was being a dumb, i stopped playing in wod so in my head garrote was a stealth specific ability

so uh

yeah

i just learned that I have been playing ass wrong all this fucking time

so y'all can point at me and laugh

[balmy condor]

Happens

[timid talon]

i really am jealous, ive done so many pf's this week

the raid trinket tuning still is like

going to be doing pf until next season again

[quasi scroll]

are the recommended anima powers the same for all DPS class/spec?

for M+ I mean

[balmy condor]

axe/necrotic/interrupt/defensive

[mortal pike]

Oh god I just looked at overall statistics

we getting nerfed boys?

We getting the classic blizzard move, look at one week of data without mythic included, blast the top classes into the dirt

[safe barn]

i find it to be better than doomblade actually

just cus it is viable for more than 1 situation

its viable for both sin and sub

sure, its worse than doomblade on pure ST

but so was finality for sub in 9.0

and i dont remember seeing a lot of logs with akaari

[whole skiff]

Bloodmallet is saying Dashing scoundrel is #1 for ST?

[fleet anchor]

We have survived the first tuning post

[wanton path]

yeh whats the go with this

[whole skiff]

Seems like a trash leggo, but maybe the energy regen when you hit a certain haste point is insane?

[fleet anchor]

They are all within 0.1%, I wouldn't say any of them is "#1"

[balmy condor]

dashing and doomblade have been within 0.1% for the last couple months

just how it is

[safe barn]

but if you are asking what leggo should you craft FIRST

thats a different question

[hollow talon]

cleared normal and got 9/10H

no daggers

[cobalt flame]

Obedience nerf isnt on raidbots yet, right?

[merry adder]

sin at the top isnt what i expected to see after coming back from a break lol
did anyone else switch between specs again cus i think im having trouble focusing on adjusting to just one now X__X

[ebon bramble]

more tuning coming. pls no nerf

or no more tuning...then joy!

[steep obsidian]

sin being top tier single target isn't really that rare an occurance

[dull cloak]

Maybe they overbuffed sin ;()

[strange python]

is there anywhere where I can find how to do a proper opener?

the one i have found makes me have low flag stacks

[glossy wedge]

@hollow talon 9/10 h with guild or pugs? How is it compared to CN? I got aotc in that last season, was aids

[hollow talon]

with guild some of the fights are kinda tough

we didnt even try heroic sylvanas

nothing felt like impossible

just figuring out strats and stuff

KT was a little hetctic on heroic but once we figured out the strat we got it in like 3 pulls

[devout glen]

Sin being top on sims doesn’t rly mean they’re top our dmg profile is kinda aids and we lack the ability to do priority dmg on demand such as the balls on painsmith for example. If sin does most st it’s perfectly balanced imo melee and no real utility outside of an immunity

[glossy wedge]

Well that's good to hear, I hope I can find a good group to run it with, pugs usually are ass though lol

[hollow talon]

once the strats are more well known and stuff i think it wont be that bad

definitely need comms for the 2nd half of the raid though

[velvet nacelle]

i got a 19 on the heroic nine

DOUBLE DIGITS BB

i did a piss poor job spreading dots tonight, kinda just didn't care since i got stuck in traffic for 2 hours of our 3 hour raid so i got too lazy to push buttons

[young nacelle]

tfw the wrong trinket drops

[wild beacon]

All g mate you pumped up everyone else numbers

[velvet nacelle]

i'm looking at top parses for these fights and i'm looking at these totals like they aren't even real numbers

[oak sky]

My normal parses are good that means im good

[low grail]

Too Many Oozes. Not Enough Phials

[young nacelle]

^^^^

[kind talon]

It does

Come to my guild

[oak sky]

Ok

[kind talon]

[young nacelle]

[oak sky]

Add me in game

[velvet nacelle]

guy finished the nine at 7.5k, i only finished with 5.3k... this dude did 50% more than me

[oak sky]

Its ok man

It only gets better

I spent my first month with no keybinds

And wondering why i was dying to mobs

Then i discovered this spell called kick

[velvet nacelle]

wait, those are all things i'm doing!

only i don't click, i type

/cast mutilate

[young nacelle]

i click out of my spellbook

[velvet nacelle]

/cast shiv

[oak sky]

everyone starts somewhere

[young nacelle]

i have no abilities on my bars at all

its all toys

[velvet nacelle]

what are bars?

[young nacelle]

a place you go for drinks!

[velvet nacelle]

dude if i got a 19% parse only casting... what the hell are 19% of you guys doing

er.. only typing

[young nacelle]

[balmy condor]

[velvet nacelle]

it's interesting, until today i never really had a frame of reference on these fights how significant spreading dots was for energy

i had 4788 energy generated from venom, this other guy got 5338

that's a lot of energy i didn't get

[inland cape]

So, for the raid are folks still crafting obedience or upgrading diom to 249?

[balmy condor]

I'm crafting obed

[young nacelle]

samesies

[balmy condor]

your profile pic is going to haunt me in my sleep

not gonna lie

[young nacelle]

good

[inland cape]

I like the idea of it syncing better with vendetta for sure.

[balmy condor]

damn how you gonna do me like that

[young nacelle]

ye

i did tell you to eat shit once

[balmy condor]

lot of people tend to do that

only when I ask for it though

[young nacelle]

ye you did ask

[balmy condor]

oh

excellent

[opaque tree]

whenever I try to sim Eternal Skirmish and Eternal stats on chest, it won't even show in the sim. It shows other enchants like ring and gems but the chest just stays with whatever enchant I have. Do I need to check box something that I'm not seeing?

[lost mist]

U have to check "replace enchant and gems" box

Or something like that

And obviously check both enchants

[opaque tree]

dude, I did not even see that, did this long time ago with BFA but couldn't figure it out here. Thank you!

[wary pawn]

Guess we still on the ob hype train

[balmy condor]

it's good everywhere man

idk

strong lego is strong

[plain atlas]

sims are putting ob behind dashing and just above doomblade.

and putting it behind dashing for aoe.

[reef axle]

we still leaning towards obe back for mythic release?

[fallen arch]

Necro here ✌🏼

Should never have gone vampire

But I’m not planning on playing sub at all, think if you do it’s obe all the way

[hybrid cosmos]

did we dodge a bullet?

[strange python]

Keys low-key easy this week

[strange python]

On nerfs? I don't think sin nerfs would be warranted. It'll fall slightly next week as specs like Moonkin get their covenant leggo

[fallen arch]

So they can be king of the hill another tier

[strange python]

Based on pure feelycraft I would assume Boomie and warrior wind up on top after mythic is on farm.

[fallen arch]

Too soon to say I think

[oak radish]

its crazy if they dont nerf boomy ventyr lego

[oak sky]

st feels important this raid actually i kinda feel like venthyr is still better

might just be me tho

[vestal wren]

balance is still in change

a lot of chasses (including rogue) benefit from the covenant legendary powers,
so next weeks dps distribution will change quite a bit

[fallen arch]

Even Ryfie is going all Sub on us on stream

Sadge

[prime patio]

Hey guys, what's the opener for necro sin now?

[thorn sierra]

in ST i do mut,snd,mut,garrote,vendetta,rupture,mut till at least 4, shiv , vanish , evis , mut , evis, mut, bonespike,,evis

usually burst around 15-17k

[timid talon]

recrafting my legendary to cloak was a dps loss because my shoulders are garbage

[strange python]

jpc played assa and it looked good on Sylvanas

[timid talon]

because assassination is superior

[dusty turtle]

whats the verdict on dashing scoundrel?

[fallen arch]

That first mut should be bonespike tho

And we don’t eviscerate here

Think you mean envenom

[fallen arch]

Don’t run it

[prime patio]

Appreciate it, guys!

[balmy condor]

I mean, it’s fine, it’s basically just doomblade but in a slightly worse package

[final sky]

how come sin is really dependent on weapons? sorry if its a noob question

[slow marsh]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

Every dps spec in the game is

[final sky]

oh ok

[opaque tree]

anyone use dashing scoundrel leggo?

[opaque tree]

But if it's only slightly worse on single target on better on cleave and AoE, isn't it pretty acceptable by those standards. I understand you could craft other leggos like obedience, but wouldn't it overall be a better leggo than doomblade because of it's versatility?

[balmy condor]

Dashing loses on 2 target to doom and zold on 3+

If you want one overall

Just do obedience

Then you can use it on sub as well

[fleet anchor]

They difference is minimal anyway, just use which icon you prefer 😛

The only real change you'll make between them is Dashing will prefer Lethal Poisons and Doomblade will prefer Maim, Mangle if you use triple potency

[balmy condor]

What will prefer katar

Any hidden blades players?

No? Just me?

Okay

[opaque tree]

but that's only for mythic+ / dungeons

[fleet anchor]

Zoldyck AoE setup

Technically will prefer Katar 😛

[opaque tree]

thought dauntless was the way to go period, for single target

[balmy condor]

It is

Sin conduits aren’t strong enough

[opaque tree]

yeah, figured I haven't even looked at maim, mangle just got back to this routine a week ago

ah i see more mut damage

man, I just hate that doomblade does nothing for aoe scenarios

[fleet anchor]

Theotar vs. Nadjia for ST seems to be highly dependent on gear configuration

[balmy condor]

Then craft obedience

[fleet anchor]

Since they are very close

[opaque tree]

true, okay so here is my thought about obedience, if you have to hold it during a fight for a phase, or like you have a priority target switch while you're building lashes, you lose out on it's full potential, correct?

[balmy condor]

I mean not really

It still lashes if you switch targets

[opaque tree]

oh, i thought it stayed on it's target like vendetta

[balmy condor]

It does

[opaque tree]

so if you switch targets, it still damages the original target with the lashed debuff?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[opaque tree]

had no idea

: \

[balmy condor]

And if anything, you would be better off with obedience if you have to hold during a fight

Because you get more flags

Which means you’re holding less

[opaque tree]

yeah, damn, okay maybe you've convinced me

[balmy condor]

Like something in 2 minutes? 1:30 flag is 30 seconds holding, obedience doesn’t hold

[ashen creek]

My take is that if you’re holding CDs but don’t have downtime doomblade will be better overall ST since it’s more sustain but if you have downtime at all and arent holding obedience wins (ie painsmith)

[opaque tree]

see I was under the impression once you pop obedience, until you get the haste buff, you need to stay on your target as such you do with vendettta

and that honestly wasn't appealing for fights with adds, etc

[balmy condor]

2:30? You have to hold one for a minute, obedience you hold 30 seconds

[opaque tree]

haha painsmith was my exact thought

[fleet anchor]

Holding CDs is usually not amazing as Assassination, tbf

[balmy condor]

Or any spec for that matter

[fleet anchor]

If Vendetta turns out to have really bad timings on a particular fight that you have to swap targets for or something, my inclination would be to swap to Sub personally. But a lot of this is just theory until we see how the Mythic timings play out

[opaque tree]

i agree 100% @fleet anchor but I really dislike sub

I like the methodical style of Sin

I do know that sub is in a good spot, I mean hell, I could play outlaw even for mythic + but I just don't like the feel of it

think last time i willingly played outlaw was back in cata for the leggo daggers, because the daggers were terrible for mut and sub at the time 😩

[manic igloo]

if i use doomblade so i use main , mangle over well placed steel?

do*

[limber lion]

Probably still WPS, but you should sim it.

[opaque tree]

only if you go triple potency then you'd used maim, mangle as your third option

[manic igloo]

im dauntless nadjia so im only 2x pot

[pseudo hamlet]

So... Summing up - someone like me(who don't really like to change legendaries and don't care for ~3-5% dps upgrade at the cost of doing Torghast, but likes to do raiding and m+) should rather just craft Obedience and be done with it? 😄

[manic igloo]

Obedience is a nice leggo since you can use it on sub too

[pseudo hamlet]

I mean, seeing the sims in the pins and the ~0,4% differences at max wouldn't be even noticable.

[echo cargo]

anyone know which m+ anima powers pop off?

I noticed the necrotic one does pretty sick boss dam

[limber lion]

Obedience is really good for all content, it's a pretty versatile legendary. Definitely still a good choice.

[pseudo hamlet]

Wait, @limber lion ! Weren't you a different color a few days ago?

[halcyon crypt]

obdience got nerfed guys ?

[pseudo hamlet]

Yes, but the sims are still showing that it's one of the top legendaries even after nerf 🙂

[limber lion]

I've been a greenboy for a while now :p

I've just been out camping for a week or so

[pseudo hamlet]

congratulations! I had a break up to 9.1, didn't see it before! 😄

[halcyon crypt]

where is the sims ?

[limber lion]

Pinnerinos

[limber lion]

[teal bloom]

Cev saw the survival hunter buffs and started to believe in year of the spear, that's why his name is green Kappa

Anyway, hunter specs got huge buffs

[balmy condor]

Cev the spear enjoyer

[bright bane]

Hi there

is it worthy to use deathly-shadows setup as a sin? (and as such using vanish on pre-pull + stuff change)

I'm using it the usual way, after kryss for the %crit on mutilate+envenom but i was wondering

[arctic walrus]

Nah dawg don’t do that

[velvet nacelle]

i think i'm pushing for 6 point evisc's too often

my average evisc damage is higher than top parsers but i'm getting ~10-20% fewer evisc's in the same time window

i don't feel like i'm doing that

but clearly i am

with DS it's 5 or 6 pointers right? should i be evisc'ing at 4?

[arctic walrus]

Link a log

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t work for sin

[arctic walrus]

You do finish -1 max with deeper. Are you also making sure you look at a log with deeper and not ep/vigor, because that would have lead to the situation you described

[bright bane]

Oh thanks

For some other spec, you can use legendaries of the others

While simming sub, do you consider also using this start?

[limber lion]

Bad.

[balmy condor]

It’s very minor for subtlety

Honestly not worth the time

[bright bane]

Ok

[north basin]

just tried outlaw in m+ after long break from season 1. NEVER again. adhd style, 12 buttons which u must press quite frequently, i thought assa is complicated...

[royal lantern]

different people like different playstyles

and outlaw also just has a "flow" you need to understand, and then you just autopilot it

like ALL specs in the game

[north basin]

well i quite liked outlaw, but to play at 95% efficiency u need to be 200iq brain reaction.

probably this midseason switch to assa made my brain soft XD

[royal lantern]

eh

thats a bold thing to say tbh

no class in wow is a complicated thing that needs 200000IQ to operate correctly

its all just getting used to it, and understanding the fights, wow difficulty comes from the fights

[bright bane]

100% agreeing with that

Love playing outlaw, but it's just an other level of every other spec in the game to me

[north basin]

doing 3 serrated bones + mfd+ stuns+ interupts just zzz another level.

rapidly

[bright bane]

Especialy in M+ when you have to use gouge + blind + stun efficiently

While managing DR, sooth, tricks uptime & kicks

[north basin]

gonna stick with assa in m+ less stress xDS

[scarlet lark]

imo, im sure assn can work in high keys, but Im also pretty positive that to push those high keys, the utility that outlaw brings would be more effective

[royal lantern]

ofc it can work, seli is a thing lol

[thorn sierra]

yeah i usually open with 3 garrotes, into bonespike/rupture, bonepike,bonespike, rupture found its been working well for me

assuming snd is going

[leaden garden]

Is asa in a good spot atm for overall PvE? or would outlaw be better?

[scarlet lark]

Also, to build off what Tryan said, Outlaw is definitely a "get in the groove" type of spec. In layman's terms, once you understand reroll logic, it pretty much just becomes maintaining SnD and using the ability that just came off cd before using dispatch
Ofc theres more intricacies to it with cds and depending on covenant, but thats the basic gist of it lol
The increased melee range, extra low-cd stun/interrupt from gouge and grapple's ability to target an area to leap to (instead of being confined to shadowstepping to a target) are what make outlaw so damn good imo. Not to mention the fact that vanish has a much lower cd as outlaw than the other specs, which is useful for dodging/negating multiple abilities throughout m+ (such as castigate from 2nd boss of SD)

[balmy condor]

All 3 specs are good

[leaden garden]

Is outlaw single target decent nowadays?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[thorn sierra]

just depends on ur rolls xd

[scarlet lark]

assn will typically beat outlaw in st, but if you get good rolls, outlaw st is great too.

assn definitely bursts much higher than outlaw st

[balmy condor]

Rolls aren’t that major

[leaden garden]

assa is somewhat decent in m+ aswell right? if one were to play either asa or outlaw for all pve content, would asa be the pick?

[balmy condor]

All 3 specs are good

[thorn sierra]

for 5min_ boss fights i feel like rolls would play a huge part, the best rogues can fine tune it , but there is a lot of rng for parsing high too

[scarlet lark]

honestly that would be a playstyle preference if you arent trying to multi-spec. all specs perform well in all forms of PVE content right now.

[north basin]

sub looks like the easiest m+ spec to play. fok+powder spam. xD

in outlaw u have tiny window to react, really requires high neurons usage in brain xD

[spice spire]

Zoomer class 🙂

[gusty breach]

didnt play outlaw since legion , is it not the easiest m+ spec?

[willow eagle]

Lots of rng doesn't come from rtb tho

Rather kill time, boss mechanics

[slow tulip]

every spec is easy mate

[bleak sedge]

subs single target is pretty hard though. One wrong button and your rotation can be fucked for quite some time

[gusty breach]

what if your drunk, playing with 1 hand and old

[bleak sedge]

then you play assa or havoc XD

[slow tulip]

[gusty breach]

i'm playing assa

how realistic is the shade thingy from theodar in M+

cuz we constantly moving

[limber lion]

It's fine

Thrill Seeker aint much better

[bleak sedge]

what anima powers are yall using in m?

[south belfry]

interrupt, shield, plume

[final sky]

for soulbinds as necro in m+, i have a hunter and demon hunter for my dps (along with myself of course.) Should i go emeni or heirmir

[ornate lake]

Thrill seeker and theotar seem like such Sim traps with all the movement in raid

[dusky orbit]

guys can u tell me what is the correct opener for venthyr assa? cause on logs everyone seems to be using different openers

[hybrid fable]

thrill doesn’t drop off much with movement but theotar does by a lot

[odd hazel]

they suffer the same bad fate

if you move away with either they are worthless

[upper elm]

Hey, craft doomblade with haste / crit?

[teal bloom]

Yep

[dry void]

does doomblade get 5% envenom damage from the korthia bleed trinket?

[bitter crescent]

doomblade has no interactions with trinkets afaik

[teal bloom]

back to

[odd hazel]

Did 6.8k overall in a 13 ( was a mage/feral as the other 2 dps )

Sad didnt hit 7k

[granite jackal]

Good morning everyone! I was curious if there was a BIS trinket I should be looking for out of Mythics? And if I snag one would you all suggest that be the focus of my Valor?

[odd hazel]

Phial/shadowgrasp totem

And yes honestly

I regret not doing that last season

[lunar otter]

still runin zoldy for m+ ?

[granite jackal]

Thanks so much! Brand new to rogue so I am needing all the help I can get! I appreciate it.

[lunar otter]

or just runin outlaw ?

[odd hazel]

Do you want to run outlaw?

[subtle tundra]

you're asking in #assassination if we play outlaw

[odd hazel]

If no yes until we can get obed

[lunar otter]

errr

[odd hazel]

No problem! Ask away here if you need any help

We are more then happy to help

[odd hazel]

If you want to play sin for M+ yes until we get obedience unless you’re necro then you continue to use zold.

Some people do switch to outlaw or some do sub now

[inner trail]

I really love playing Blindside on Assa, its really fun. However, I see all the people playing elaborate planning. Is it much better than Blindside?

[subtle tundra]

no, in fact it's worse

[odd hazel]

It’s not better per say. Just people prefer it but it’s not that bad it’s like 50 dps loss for some people

And it’s easier so people use it to hit one less button

[inner trail]

Ah that sounds great. Just makes the spec feel more fluid to me.

[odd hazel]

On fights that have more then one target

[subtle tundra]

also, it's better for anything but pure ST so if you dont want to swap talents during the raid its better

[odd hazel]

It is better though

[odd hazel]

This is probably 90% the reason

[inner trail]

And when do you go Crimson over Poison Bomb? Bomb for ST and Crimson for AoE?

[odd hazel]

That we see it so much

Yes

[subtle tundra]

Crimson for anything but pure ST

but you dont have to swap

its not a big thing

[inner trail]

And if you use Crimson, would you use it on a boss? or is it wasted?

[odd hazel]

Yes

Keep it up on boss

[inner trail]

Alright thank you 🙂 one last question: Do you ever play Exanguinate? I really love this ability

[odd hazel]

No

Never

[inner trail]

Meh, but I think the fact that Blindside can be played hypes me enough ^^ thank you a lot guys!

[odd hazel]

No problem! Blindside is fun with the procs

[inner trail]

Yes, especially if you are dry on energy

Just adds the extra bit of fluidity to the spec to make it feel round

[neat lotus]

i dont know if this has already been anwered, but i couldnt find it in here. So im looking to minmax as much as possible in the new raid, and after the venthyr nerf, im not sure what spec and covenant to choose, and im not sure if further tunings will come. Can anyone enlighten me please? 🙂

[odd hazel]

The pins may answer this more but venth Is slightly better then necro. Once we get obedience that is, but even after that the two most competitive covenants are necro and venth

venth pulls about 100-200 dps ahead

If that

Sin and sub are the go to ST specs

Sin is really good at 2/3 target cleave, not sure how good sub is at that personally but I assume it’s fine.

Outlaw is the main M+ spec people do but a lot are going sub

If you go venth it’s easier to switch between sin and sub

Necro is for sin/outlaw players

[neat lotus]

Do you know if there will be anymore tuning?

[odd hazel]

I’m not sure but I wouldn’t be surprised if mythic sees tuning to classes

Give it about 3 weeks and I’m sure we will see more

[knotty mortar]

Once mythic starts, there won't be anything until the race to world first is done, but then after that there will probably be.

[neat lotus]

so right now im playing necro sin.. would it be a gamble to go venth sub?

[odd hazel]

Nope! But that’s assuming it doesn’t get nerfed but

If you want to play it I would say play it

Necro sin is fine too

[neat lotus]

my thoughts is that since it just got nerfed, it probably wont get a nerf anytime soon.. if that makes any sence

[odd hazel]

That’s fair, assuming blizz is smart

Worse comes worse though you play sub, it gets hit and it’s an easy switch to sin

[neat lotus]

even as venthyr?

[odd hazel]

Yes

Venth is amazing for assassination

The sims from the pins our fearless CF @balmy condor did

And this is subs

[neat lotus]

Awesome!

Thank u so much for your help! 🙂

[wanton hatch]

are we still crafting doomblade + obidience on cloak?

[odd hazel]

You’re welcome!

Any time you need help our peeps here are happy to help

[odd hazel]

Yep!

[wanton hatch]

ty

[odd hazel]

No problem

[digital zodiac]

how much more DPS better will necro be in m+ than assa

[odd hazel]

It’s not

[digital zodiac]

when they get their new soulbind thing

[odd hazel]

Oh

I don’t know but I believe the sims include full soulbind tree

@digital zodiac

Triple potency obedience gives venth the edge

[digital zodiac]

okay great, so for high end m+ and mythic raiding venth is still going to be very viable

[odd hazel]

Yep!

[digital zodiac]

thats what we like to hear

[odd hazel]

Necro is a valid choice to if you want to play it

[digital zodiac]

well i stayed venth when alot of people went necro, been seeing some content creators lately saying necro is BIS all round

so just wanted to double check here

[odd hazel]

Content creators are weird

[digital zodiac]

basically we want Doomblde for ST and obedience for AOE both on cloak

[vestal wren]

?

[odd hazel]

I’d just personally use obedience

[digital zodiac]

well

obedience for both

[odd hazel]

Doom is barely ahead

[digital zodiac]

yeah

just seen its like 50dps

lol

[odd hazel]

Didn’t mean to @ you fuu, answered my own question

[dull vessel]

hello, can i ask which legendary to craft or wait for 48 renown?

i play assa and wanna do m+ also raids at some point

[digital zodiac]

thanks @odd hazel ! big help

[odd hazel]

Do you not have a leggo ?

If not craft doom at 195 and the. Craft obedience next week

[odd hazel]

No problem!

[dull vessel]

i have 210 doom shoulders

should i upgrade it?

i was thinking of getting dashing scoundrel cos of the energyt regen

sounds nice

[subtle tundra]

if you dont care about your dps, then sure get dashing

[knotty mortar]

Don't upgrade it -- shoulders are a domination shard slot, so you don't want your legendary there. Craft doomblade / obedience for the back slot so it won't conflict with the shards.

[sick cairn]

does this lower our spells?

[dull vessel]

so doomblade is the only good one? even for m+? i also hate that we have to use shiv now

feels so bad

[pallid bough]

@sick cairn ya

[rustic whale]

tested by myself yesterday works on energy cost. If you have this power definetly spec into EP/DS

[knotty mortar]

In the pins there's a chart of the dps for each of the soulbinds + legendaries. Doom and Obedience sim very close.

[sick cairn]

EP?

[rustic whale]

reduces muti cost to 35

[sick cairn]

not blindside?

[rustic whale]

i never gone out of energy tbh

i have %29 haste default

[sick cairn]

wow

holy

mine is only 24 by default

[rustic whale]

i dk for first boss there are tons of setup viable, like reducing haste on gear and increasing versa/crit etc ( if you have this anima )

[knotty mortar]

And shiv is amazing ... who doesn't like 10k envenom crits?

[subtle tundra]

only 10k?

[knotty mortar]

With my crap gear, yeah 😉

[subtle tundra]

i've had close to 20

[sick cairn]

does anyone have a list of really good anima powers to get for tarragrue as an assa rogue?

[knotty mortar]

Honestly, tarragrue is so easy that it doesn't matter. Just pick things without downsides. Also, the AoE damage reduction power is great, you can just ignore the darkness phase completely and stay on the boss.

[sick cairn]

oh nice

[dull vessel]

i'm not used to pressing shiv

so do i craft doomblade again and it's good for all content?

[limber lion]

Doomblade is really only good for raiding

[dull vessel]

what do i craft for m+ then?

or use my 210 shoulder one for 2 weeks before i get flagellation one?

[limber lion]

Zoldyck pants for m+

[willow oyster]

Zoldyck felt good in m+

[limber lion]

Obedience is a great legendary for all content

So if you want one that works for everything, that's a good choice.

[dull vessel]

but i have to wait for so long for that

[knotty mortar]

Depends on your soul ash situation. If you're limited, I'd wait to see how people feel about obedience. If you don't have a replacement shoulder piece with a shard right now, there's not a lot of rush.

So long is next week?

[willow oyster]

Well if he is crap gear, he might not be renown capped for this week. Could mean a bit of a wait, but I agree waiting till R48 seems like the best bet. Even if the lego pieces will be $$$

[knotty mortar]

I mean, even if you're not renown capped this week, you get catch up renown to bring you to cap.

[willow oyster]

True, still takes a nice bit of time ^^' Did the swap to venth just this week and boy was it a boring grind.

*last week

[knotty mortar]

Yeah, I swapped last week too. It was annoying, but went pretty fast.

I also suspect obedience will feel better than it sims, with reducing the CD.

a ~1 min cd is real good

But we'll see once people start crafting it.

[woeful glade]

Do we do pot of spectral agility in non ST fights?

or stick with PF

[willow oyster]

No clue - TO THE SIM-COPTER

[whole bluff]

I use agi on everything

[final sky]

in m+ do i just want to be using vendetta on cd unless its a pack before a boss?

[snow orchid]

Should i choose Necrolord or Venthyr for 2v2 arena?

[plain thistle]

yes, but vendetta is a really weak CD for AoE and you dont want to full commit to the vendetta target

[final sky]

alright, thanks

[plain thistle]

same thing with shiv in AoE, you can use on CD, but dont lock into that target to envenom it

[odd hazel]

Man Warcraft logs sucks on mobile

[zenith berry]

Is the rumour true, that if Edge of Night drops on Normal, you can upgrade it when you kill HC Sylvanas, it doesnt have to drop there too?

[plain thistle]

no, thats for the legendary bow

[zenith berry]

Ahh feels bad

[plain thistle]

the dagger is just a normal dagger

with a especial effect

[zenith berry]

So you have to get lucky to get it dropped

Thank you

[tight ginkgo]

Get lucky? Oh man those are terrible odds for me

[plain thistle]

[granite thistle]

Heroic sylvanas as melee. CRINGE.

That was an awful time

[daring fable]

lol remember farming Raden in nyalotha xDDDDDD

At least we have weekly vault now....

[grim jay]

Not sure if the weekly vault is close to as good for getting loot from 1 specific boss as bonusrolls were

[granite thistle]

I like how they nerfed Spriests last night but not rogue single target lol

[tight ginkgo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[granite thistle]

King of stabby bois continues

[daring fable]

bonus roles for some azerite for your neck you mean?

[grim jay]

I mean.. you obviously get something all the time, but odds of you getting smth from the Boss you want + that specific item if you do.. 😁

[granite thistle]

I remember in eternal palace I swapped to DH. Was kinda undergeared. Getting dragged through Heroic by the guild. Bonus rolled Ashvane and Orgazoa. Got both trinkets LOL

[gritty mist]

how much % up is windfury totem on sin?

[granite thistle]

I saw a chart say 2.2%

[sick cairn]

is emeni 3 potency beating heirmir atm?

than 2 potency heirmir gemstone?

[plain thistle]

sim yourself

[rain nexus]

Which best?

[limber lion]

Sim

Yourself

[rain nexus]

ok thx

[limber lion]

For Venth the crit one is probably better

[west cove]

now that obe is dead should we switch back to necro

[raven quarry]

If your a real one your necro

[alpine latch]

Are you guys getting 5* quite regularly in torghast? I feel squishy af trying to solo

[placid pagoda]

Im seeing a lot of stuff that venth is now dead regardless of the recent sims - what’s the situation?

[fallen arch]

Same

Havent seen 5 stars either

[limber lion]

There's not much use getting 5* honestly currently

[teal bloom]

I got 5 stars last week from layer 9 but I haven't done layer 10 yet

[limber lion]

I've got it twice but it's kinda whatever

[whole bluff]

You need 5 to unlock next layer so lame.

[teal bloom]

Isnt it 4

[whole bluff]

well same thing xd

I used to just skip to last bosses

now you have to clear each floor to unlock next layer

[limber lion]

Yes, it's 4

It's definitely not the "same thing"

4* is really really easy and doesn't really require extra effort

5* needs extra work

[alpine latch]

I didn't get a single damn item from hard mode either

[whole bluff]

at least you have the mage mount lol

[alpine latch]

It's been a shitty week, lol

@limber lion You going to run Obedience or DB? It looks like it's only like a 30 DPS difference

24DPS* difference

[limber lion]

Tbh I'll probably make Doomblade as my first r5, but I'll get Obe at r4 as well

[west cove]

obe is inferior option

[limber lion]

I'm not sold on Venthyr.

[placid pagoda]

Obe nerf really that impactful?

[limber lion]

So if I go Necro, I'll have Doomblade ready

[placid pagoda]

Been holding all my ash in case they destroyed it

[fallen arch]

Come back over to the stinkyboys

[limber lion]

It's quite a bit yeah, but still definitely a great choice.

[odd hazel]

It’s still the best overall choice

[limber lion]

Likely will

[odd hazel]

Unless you a stinky bone boi

[fallen arch]

It’s so good having sbs back

[teal bloom]

I just swapped back to necro, it was only 0,3% behind in single target and obedience loses to zoldyck in dungeonslice with my gear

[placid pagoda]

I’m just not sure I wanna go back to 40 renown again

[teal bloom]

[fallen arch]

That’s literally 1h of work

To get back to 45

[placid pagoda]

Is it

[fallen arch]

Yes

[placid pagoda]

Okay that’s good to know tbh

[teal bloom]

If you haven't done callings each one gives 1 renown

[odd hazel]

Tbh I wanna try out SBS again

But I’m lazy

[fallen arch]

You swap back, weeklies and callings all give 1 renown

[placid pagoda]

All the sims showing venth still ahead tho

[teal bloom]

And then you do souls and anima for another 2

[placid pagoda]

Oh dreamy

[odd hazel]

Not by much though

In ST maybe but

m+ it don’t matter

[placid pagoda]

True

[fallen arch]

Check cleave sims

[placid pagoda]

I only really raid prog

[odd hazel]

I mean

[fallen arch]

We’re all too fixed on ST patchwerk sims and dungeonslice imo

[odd hazel]

He said venth was ahead

I know SBS will win in that situation

I just answer with sims we have available

I might try out Necro

Again

It’s at 38

[fallen arch]

Ye replied to wrong comment sorry 😄

[odd hazel]

I just dont want to farm renown lol

[fallen arch]

It’s an extra chore yes, but not that much work

Compared to the Korthia bs we have to do everyday

[gusty mirage]

Are we being reunited?

[odd hazel]

I know, I’ll prob go do it tonight when I get home

[teal bloom]

[odd hazel]

@fallen arch I’ll be a bone boi tonight

[placid pagoda]

You boys making me contemplate switching

[odd hazel]

Not like it’ll be hard to switch back

[placid pagoda]

Well it’s a free swap rn without the quest shit

And flying in zones is just 👀

[odd hazel]

It’s just hard because I love flag so much

[placid pagoda]

Ye the burst is so tasty

Especially in world pvp

[fallen arch]

It’s bot even close to slapping that dot on everything you see from a distance

You get a and you get a

[iron orchid]

1.5k score

need more

[gloomy rose]

anyone noticed an issue with blind applying deadly poison?

[digital zodiac]

The sims include the obedience nerf right?

[odd hazel]

I’ll prob try it out this weekend after raid. Worse comes to worse I easily switch over

[odd hazel]

Yes

[digital zodiac]

So why still be unsure about venth

[iron orchid]

because it's close

and venth means nadjia

I don't like nadjia 🙂

I mean, Necro could very well be good on 2-3 target situations for a while

[spice spire]

Bone bros didn’t wanna leave home but did. Now we get to return

[iron orchid]

venth obedience is probably a comfort pick for resetting burst windows

[fathom flax]

Sylvanas dagger on first kill

Go team

[iron orchid]

I didn't

[spice spire]

Huge gamer

[spice spire]

Truly the most loyal in this sea of covenant hoes. Respect

[iron orchid]

It's not like I did both return quests and just waited for obed to be available

"loyal"

[spice spire]

Oh

I jumped the gun like a FOOL

Accidentally used my freebie too

[gusty mirage]

get baited

still got my freebie

[placid pagoda]

I’m I gunna regret swapping back to necro

Or is obe gunna get tweaked again

[gusty mirage]

probably depends on what you like more

nah obedience is fine now

[placid pagoda]

Raid mainly

Rogue is literally raid progger

[placid pagoda]

So won’t get touched?

But obvs do m+ for gear etc

[gusty mirage]

losing half the vers was still a pretty big tweak, I doubt it gets any further tweaking

[placid pagoda]

Ye makes sense

[gusty mirage]

they just put it more in line with the other options, it's still really really good

[placid pagoda]

They reverted the fury nerf so debating whether they’d do the same for obe

[placid pagoda]

Ye true

[gusty mirage]

they seem to not want us to have an outlier, it's like they take pride in us having balanced options

which is cool

[placid pagoda]

Yeah I follow

[scenic root]

This channel is so fickle, one day stinky bois, next is vampire, now everyone jumping back to stinky bois lmao

[placid pagoda]

People wanna min max, you can’t blame them

[gusty mirage]

I just miss fleshcraft 😦

[scenic root]

Swapping covs before mythic tuning, that was the mistake lol.

[potent dagger]

i don't miss transmog XD

[scenic root]

I like to min max too. I understand

I'm venthyr now from Necro, but my rogue got benched for my Spriest, so kinda irrelevant in prog unless we need melee ( lmao )

[alpine latch]

fleshcraft is so strong ...

[gusty mirage]

[devout ingot]

I mean, sub venth obidience is still over 600 dps increase over sin according to pinned sims so not sure why ppl wanna go Necro again

[scenic root]

If people don't want to play sub and are sin main

[spice spire]

Toxi

[devout ingot]

If they are saying they like to min max, then you play the best spec who cares if you like one more

[alpine latch]

sigh, fuck it.. I think I'm going back Necrolord

[alpine latch]

I much prefer SBS and fleschcraft to this flag shit

[gusty mirage]

flag's cool I don't mind it

[scenic root]

Min maxing one within a spec is different than min maxing your spec. If that was the case we would all switch to Spriest or frost mage

[potent dagger]

One spec to rule them all , one spec to find them , and in poison bind them :p

[gusty mirage]

idk I'll ride out the venthyr bandwagon until mythic week

[placid pagoda]

Ye I think so too

Literally a few days away

[round harbor]

Venthyr is very good or bis for all specs

Necro isnt

[alpine latch]

What spec is necro "bad" for?

[scenic root]

Sub

[alpine latch]

Ah, I dont' want to go sub

[devout ingot]

Idk I'dsay most people would prefer to do 600 more dps if they are at all interested in being competitive, which is why people are in this disc in the first place but anyway

[scenic root]

Then play either venthyr or necro

[round harbor]

Ya I mean I'm the person who will say play what you want

[spare grotto]

Why is Shadowgrasp Totem simming so high ? I remember it being a terrible trinket

was it buffed or somethign ?

[round harbor]

But for a reason as to why venthyr, that'd be it. It's kinda a safe pick

[scenic root]

Sims early on didn't account for the trinket having a hasted proc

[gusty mirage]

imagine not using the shadowgrasp since march

[spare grotto]

interesting

thx

[scenic root]

It's a trash trinket to use... It feels horrible to drop and seems to never get CDR for me. I just used IQD

[spare grotto]

just macro it with vendetta, no ?

[round harbor]

Phial and hateful chain gang

[spare grotto]

What-I-manage-to-drop gang

[round harbor]

Can't forget to pop a trinket if they both are on equip

[devout ingot]

IQD as a rogue

[scenic root]

It's juicy if you are venthyr and have more crit than haste

[rigid walrus]

LESHHGOO

[cedar mist]

guys best anima powers for assa in m+ ?

[exotic pulsar]

whats the prio in single target with CT? Do I maintain it 100% or let it drop in favor for envenom during a shiv window?

[spice spire]

Necrotic dagger decent, rest is kinda meh

[spice spire]

The second one. Only let it drop in shiv windows

[exotic pulsar]

thank you, thats what i figured

[spice spire]

Good shit best of luck papi

[exotic pulsar]

after playing outlaw for an entire expansion i feel so lost on sin

rip

[spare grotto]

volcanic plumage is juicy AF to bully trash packs

[spice spire]

We’re here for damage

I totally did do a three stack of volcanic on sanguine tho

Funny as fuck

[spare grotto]

😌

do we know how the proc works precisely tho ?

[spice spire]

I do think there’s a world on fortified wheee you GIGA pull with three stacking volcanic

[spare grotto]

I get like twice the damage as my boomie mate

[spice spire]

But rn necrotic on boss is wilding

It’s from every agility iirc

[uncut comet]

is sin still chill apm wise? only got 1 hand to play with atm

[spice spire]

Very

Movement sucks but can 100% one hand it

Also chill in ST, not chill in aoe/cleave

[exotic pulsar]

as long as you arent cleaving....i find it sometimes hard to keep up on 3+ packs

[spice spire]

Tab gaming

It’s fun though

[toxic quail]

The axe one is good for me. Idk about y’all.

[spice spire]

The axe is fine - especially since we’re already execute gaming in keys

But it’s pretty comparable with the stat boost as well

Where necrotic > stat boost

[mental fog]

Guys, and about this what say ?

[spice spire]

It’s still fine, pins still have it simming well. They redid them day of

[rustic tree]

!opener

[primal elm]

where is the best legendry slot to put doomblade in ?

[mental fog]

Cloak

[primal elm]

Thank you @mental fog

[north basin]

with recent trinket buffs plague trink still top?XD

[main blaze]

How do you add power infusion in simulationcraft?

[plain thistle]

Power Infusion will be cast on the player at 0 seconds, 120 seconds, and 240 seconds.

external_buffs.power_infusion=0/120/240

from simulationcraft wiki

[marsh idol]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[main blaze]

Thank you!

[arctic hare]

So how does the vestige of origins work?

Would I still need a 262 legendary for me to upgrade it?

[desert orchid]

so is sin good as you are gearing up or should I stick sub for the quick burst until I get geared?

[balmy condor]

It’s an optional reagent crafters add when they craft the base item

[arctic hare]

Okay, so it ignores the requirement for the 262?

[balmy condor]

During leveling sin sucks but it’s fine once you hit max

[balmy condor]

Idk what that means

[arctic hare]

it means that will I have to have the 262 base legendary item

[limber lion]

You buy the base item from ah

[desert orchid]

I presume a lot has changed since bfa?

[limber lion]

You never use vestiges yourself if you're not crafting the items themselves.

[arctic hare]

So I still have to have the 262 even if I have the vestige or origins

[limber lion]

?

[arctic hare]

OH, i understand now

[drifting cloud]

[arctic hare]

not during the legendary, during making the item itself, got it

[drifting cloud]

you put it on r3 or r4 base

[limber lion]

Yes.

You never have to buy one

We chillin

[red plaza]

not alot, sin plays more or less the same. missing shrouded suffocation sucks in M+ though.

[robust condor]

How does sin compare to outlaw on tyrannical weeks?

[red plaza]

You have to buy the base though, which is 450k on my server atm

[drifting cloud]

unless youre on sume insanely dead realm

it shouldnt cost more than 100-150k

since its just r3-4 base +40 crystals then some minor mats depending on armor type

[sleek sparrow]

It "shouldn't" but crafter scarcity+demand people are gonna list it for high prices as long as it sells

[drifting cloud]

its really easy to craft tbh

but yeah as long as dumb people are buying no reason to not try to sell high

[soft shale]

laughs in selling belts for 300k+

[stable oxide]

Why do I see alot of rogues go Necrolord in pve?

Is Ventyr still the best?

[light surge]

is there a list anywhere for preferred domination loot

[balmy condor]

They prefer the ability and the cleave

[balmy condor]

Getting awfully close to calling it a bis list there bucko

We don’t do no bis lists round these parts

[vocal sphinx]

Those pepe icons are BiS tho

[balmy condor]

I am a man of many emotes

[untold nest]

Cuz necro ability feels more satisfying to use than flagellation, also necro pretty good for outlaw for m+

And cleave situations for assa

[vagrant bison]

sbs just feels much better as well

[primal elm]

!opener

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[digital zodiac]

What doesn’t feel good about flag though?

Never tried SBS so not sure how it feels

But I really like flag

[subtle tundra]

yea i never got the satisfying part of sbs

i like flag way more

[gloomy rose]

it gets really satisfying in larger groups when every sbs is basically a finisher

[strange python]

I've personally thought sin was great this week. I only have a pure haste set and 213 daggers, so gear is big trash for m+, and I've been putting up 8.5k every dungeon. Almost all 16s timed so far. Never felt like I was doing anywhere near that as outlaw, but full haste might be why

Also bosses are living forever in current gear so having doomblade and single target is nice.

[icy dock]

whats your guys highest dps overall in m+ as assa

[inner chasm]

is Sub rogue performing better than assassination ?

[strange python]

Not yet as far as I can tell. Sub will increase in strength more than sin as people get sylv daggers, and I believe the unholy domination sockets. Not sure if the latter scales with subs shadow bonus or not

[digital zodiac]

Managed like 7k in a 17 .. but seeing people numbers here that’s pretty sucky. Deffo need to work on it

[strange python]

Depends on your tank, too.

[digital zodiac]

That’s true

[void pecan]

anywhere from like 6-7ish seems normal to me

depending on tank/pull sizes

[icy dock]

highest ive seen was 8.6 in mists 15 i think

[digital zodiac]

That’s pretty banging

[icy dock]

kinda depends on legy and if tank even knows he has a assa in his group that has to restealth

most dont care

[void pecan]

My tanks I run with don't care, makes me super sadge.

[fallen arch]

Then tel him

But it doesn’t make that much of a difference if he chainpulls well

[icy dock]

even my friends dont let me restealth some times

just to troll

current pack is 10% just straight up run into the next one

[void pecan]

Yep that.

[icy dock]

and after the dungeon hit em with the "eh kinda low dps"

[strange python]

Feel that... tank always says we have no time for that sadpepe

[icy dock]

assa trash xd

[fallen arch]

Or nothing needs to be silenced, might as well

[digital zodiac]

How many mobs do you guys think it’s worth using tempest on ?

3+ ?

[fallen arch]

Always

Even on st

[digital zodiac]

Oh really??

[fallen arch]

If you’re specced into it

Yes

Maintain the dot

Outside shiv windows

[digital zodiac]

Ah interesting

[violet hemlock]

Is the reason ppl arent running CT on eye of jailer laziness?

or is PB actually better

[digital zodiac]

I do mean in m+, and at what number do you start FoN instead of mut? 3+?

[fallen arch]

On a not moving boss on ST, PB is better

[digital zodiac]

Might not have enough crit, but seems like 3 targets is iffy with fan of knives building combo points

[fallen arch]

But more targets and/or heavy movement CT probably wins

[alpine latch]

If you are running CT, then you maintain the dot any time you're not in a Shiv window. If Shiv is up, then you let CT drop.

[fallen arch]

4+ is fok

[digital zodiac]

Sweet thanks

[fallen arch]

3 is mut

Only fok to spread poisons once

[violet hemlock]

but the abductor has almost 100% uptime

and also the eyes in p2 are constantly moved

[fallen arch]

Yeah but the eye is stationary

Idk, on the Eye CT might be fine I guess

I couldnt be bothered to switch after first boss

Maybe others tried it

[violet hemlock]

All parses are with PB EP Vigor

was just wiondering if it was just lazyness of not wanting to swap

[fallen arch]

Might be

That boss also is stupid easy on hc I feel

So why bother to swap

[violet hemlock]

I have to pug it cause I missed my guilds raid

sigh

[bright bane]

Does numbing poison actualy works on bosses?

[violet hemlock]

Yes.

[verbal knot]

what unholy shard are actually the best to use?

[bright bane]

And if curses of weaknesses is applied, how does it works?

[tulip nacelle]

it stacks

[balmy condor]

Stacks

[limber lion]

All of em

[dark crag]

You socket all dps gems + 2 of the set you want active

[odd hazel]

Where do you ever get the shards at

[tulip nacelle]

from raid bosses

[odd hazel]

Is it just random ?

[dark crag]

Drops in the raid

Yes

[odd hazel]

I’m never gonna get them fuck lmao

[dark crag]

You only need to drop them once

[sonic schooner]

be as lucky as me, get all the gems but not a single gear to put them on

[dark crag]

You can get an item to remove them from slots

[odd hazel]

I’ll be the opposite censi it’s fine

[limber lion]

I got neither on my rogue

But the bis gear on my mage

Sadge

Next week for sure

[subtle tundra]

2 defensive shards from full clear poggers

[odd hazel]

Got the crit haste boots but no shard

[icy dock]

do we still socket 1 agi gem

[teal bloom]

You can sim it but for me secondary stat gems are better now

[south belfry]

Am i fucking myself up trying to do high keys with raid gear

Meaning high haste low crit

23% crit 26% haste

[dawn ivy]

its not ideal but its not going to brick your key

[weak bane]

might not be ideal but youre fine

[south belfry]

I keep getting haste mastery gear

[digital zodiac]

Mastery isn’t awful in m+ right

[strange python]

why does bloodmallet say dashing is bis for sin ? lol

[dawn ivy]

dashing is very close to doomblade

but idk what sims theyre using

maybe theyre using sims in which our poisons arent bugged

no clue

[teal bloom]

Mastery is generally 2nd/3rd best stat in M+ because it has more value in aoe

[halcyon zealot]

sim it but make sure you unselect “always use” or else it’ll put the agi gem in even if it’s a loss i think

[teal mountain]

crit + versa on new leg we all agree ?

[strange python]

isn't bis for leggo crit haste though?

[loud mason]

i just uppgraded my 225 legendary legs into 235, wasnt i suppose to get free gem slot ?

[dawn ivy]

legs cannot have a socket

[strange python]

nvm simulationcraft got it on crit vers aswel, i know nothing

[dawn ivy]

so no

[halcyon zealot]

only on socketable slots, not all leggos

[loud mason]

alrighty thanks

[chilly magnet]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[chilly magnet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[placid dawn]

rogue is still complete trash on torghast right?

feels like a chore every time

[shy dust]

Not really

[loud mason]

Helms, Necks, Bracers, Belts, or Rings, are these the only gem slots avaible ingame ?

[strange silo]

i would say only the first floor feels kinda weird if u get double elite and no empowered buff

[dawn ivy]

id try out sub in torghast

imo sub was the spec they designed the powers around

[strange python]

so according to the wowhead guide, every leggo is crit + haste

ONLY obedience is crit + vers

[mental flicker]

Seems like a piece of cake to me. Not as easy as Pally or Warrior, but easier than monk or hunter. Based on my experience anyway

[dawn ivy]

obedience is crit vers because youll be using obedience to flex onto sub

[odd hazel]

Obedience is crit haste

Unless you want to play sub

[strange python]

i guess simulationcraft and the wowhead guide are not up to date then 😛

[odd hazel]

I mean

Why would you go crit vers if you’re just playing sin

[exotic pulsar]

what do you guys do on trash packs that dont live long? I feel useless on them. By the time I get a few bleeds rolling they are dying off and I end the pull with like 3k dps.

[odd hazel]

It’s pretty easy as rogue

[odd hazel]

Is this a low key or?

[strange python]

for the extra versa that obedience gives ?

[desert orchid]

would sub be better for m+?

[odd hazel]

You would much rather get the haste

[exotic pulsar]

nah it was from heroic raid yesterday, just felt bad on trash.

[odd hazel]

Trash isn’t important

[odd hazel]

We priotize crit haste

No need

[odd hazel]

Sin is fine. Sub is better yes but@you can perform just as well

[strange python]

yeah i mean maybe that's why the sims / guides say that this would be the better stats for obedience alone

[exotic pulsar]

I understand but knowing what to do there can help translate on weaker adds or like you said overgeared keys

[strange python]

cause of the vers value

[odd hazel]

We don’t value vers that much

Unless you have enough stats

[weak bane]

if its a really low key you just simply won't have enough time to get your damage rolling on small packs, if running zoldyck you wont benefit much from it etc

if im running low keys with people or just trying to farm 1 item and get into a low key, if other classes have the burst aoe down i'll just run doomblade to nuke bosses

it really just depends what the other 2 dpsers are

[exotic pulsar]

I see

so its basically not going to change

[weak bane]

like if you got a monk and a hunter with you in a 10 key on tyrannical, you're not gonna be doing much on most add packs as is

do your normal stuff but you can prio more for nuking bosses instead

[exotic pulsar]

I mean I am a CE outlaw rogue so I dont need to run keys as sin I'm just trying to learn the spec completely

[weak bane]

ah yeah

sin just needs time

[odd hazel]

Outlaw

[exotic pulsar]

I ilke to be well versed in what i am playing, even if it is unoptimal

[weak bane]

if its a high enough key or w/e that burst dps classes dont kill it inside of their cooldowns then we can start to catch up

but yeah sometimes odd pack where its like oh did 5k cuz the monk and hunter overlapped cds

[odd hazel]

Yeah, we aren’t really brought for trash

Unless it’s a high key

We are boss killers

[weak bane]

Yup

[exotic pulsar]

cleaving is so aids as sin lol. I may just dual spec and run outlaw for those fights

[weak bane]

Just farming 10s for trinkets since my 15s are done for the week and I'm just running doomblade

Yeah if you're necro I prolly would unless you just want the time on sin to get more used to playing it

[desert orchid]

well, my team comp is pretty much DH tank, Resto healer, Ret, Frost Mage, and me

[exotic pulsar]

I think what I'll do is run full sin until we get to mythic and make a new decision then.

[desert orchid]

I was carrying that load on the aoe packs with my ele shaman

[ebon tundra]

How the fuck do you sim for Shadowcore vs Sharpstones vs both with diff pots on raid bots or do it need to input each combo seperately

[desert orchid]

trying to figure out if I can fit in that group or if I need to run my rogue on another group

although, we don't push high keys, only like 15's

[weak bane]

Rogue should be perfectly fine there

Might lose some time on packs compared to an ele shaman but you can make up for it on boss damage

[desert orchid]

just have to get caught up, had the rogue dusted for filling raid spots with needed utility since last expansion

fastest way for that just doing m 0's now?

[weak bane]

Probably m0 and korthia, can do maw rare runs on accounts with friendly rep at deaths advance to buy armaments until you can just farm 10s or so

[odd hazel]

Cleaving is the easiest thing as sin

And we are good at it

Keep bleeds up, pump into first target

GG

[unborn marlin]

Cleaving is so much fun, you have like 100% uptime on EP

[ancient cliff]

why do ppl call assassination sin

embrace ass

[odd hazel]

Sin makes sense

[unborn marlin]

Assassin

Hmmm I wonder lmao

[ancient cliff]

ASS

is superior

[weak bane]

But we are now catholic vampire sinners with spooky red mist blades

[ancient cliff]

yeah i get why ppl use sin but we should embrace ass yknow

[weak bane]

Fair

[odd hazel]

I mean

It’s like people calling it mut

[grim hawk]

i've always called it assas dunno why

seems clunky now

[heavy dove]

Sorry guys, very general question but currently the assassination rogues in my guild are simming the same as hunters (in their current state) with equal gear. Looking at sims as a whole (before hunter gets buffed) they appear to be well ahead, is it a certain conduit/legendary which gives them a big power spike?

[sonic schooner]

assin

[soft shale]

wait

what

hunters?

[sonic schooner]

hunters

[soft shale]

are your rogues 210

[sonic schooner]

may i ask you to share us the rogue sim? 🤔

[heavy dove]

Sure one sec

[soft shale]

no offense

[heavy dove]

They are not 210 😂 ... They are 230

[exotic pulsar]

I should have said AoE. 2 target cleave is brainless, 3 can get a bit tight for me and 4+ kinda throws a wrench in it.

[odd hazel]

Tbh 4+ is just FOk spam and spreading crimson, rupture and garrote. And refreshing snd with evenom

[sonic schooner]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bUcRcxPwnU1UUNWyK7DshE

[heavy dove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uFBETaXCnLoVWwTgSHbhX9

[sonic schooner]

i can say that he has lot of vers gear and an outlaw conduit, in that sim

[odd hazel]

Ew is that a human

No it’s a blood@elf

[soft shale]

idk what is wrong with them tbh

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6pWCHbzv9tnMtx5x3sY2gG

that is me

[exotic pulsar]

Do you use your first finisher on a rupture or a CT? Icy prioritizes CT but I feel energy starved if I don't get a rupture or two up quickly

[sonic schooner]

sub sim in my sin channel

😠

[soft shale]

the zetsublade guy has a lot of mastery gear

are you sure that is his raid set

instead of m+ one

[odd hazel]

Garrote x4, SnD, FOK and spread ruptures/evenom

Prob not the most efficient but meh

[soft shale]

also he has count the odds

wtf

[mental flicker]

Garrote x4 or x3? I usually do 3

[exotic pulsar]

Oh you guys are using subterfuge