assassination

[azure flare]

20 seconds of turning into super saiyan red

[strange python]

But why do I see other rogues with several huge spikes throughout the fight?

this is where im lost

[azure flare]

for guardian?

[bleak sedge]

venths?

[azure flare]

im actually wondering that too lol

some rogues are super blasting on it

even necros

[pale heart]

does meld work in m+? as in can i meld, stealth and gain MA buff?

[azure flare]

yes

meld works in m+

[pale heart]

thanks

on bosses too?

[azure flare]

not on bosses tho

[pale heart]

eh

[azure flare]

or maybe on dung bosses

not sure about that one

[steel minnow]

!leg

guys how to see legs stats?)

[eternal nebula]

this is mine I didnt burst as high at the start but i have more peaks

[balmy condor]

not on bosses

[eternal nebula]

and I finished high

[balmy condor]

what?

[steel minnow]

haste crit or haste vers

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

[bleak sedge]

what did you parse on that ?

[eternal nebula]

90 i think

1 sec

[spice spire]

For only sin legendaries haste Crit, if you’re multi-speccing obedience, crit vers iirc

[steel minnow]

ok ty

[cinder cedar]

i'm planning on switching from outlaw to sin for raid. should i save my soul ash for obedience or should i go ahead and craft doomblade?

[sand aurora]

do i rip on max-1?

[eternal nebula]

86 overall, 92 ilvl

[bleak sedge]

whatever you like

[tired cape]

Are u lining every flag with vendetta?

[eternal nebula]

at 225

yes

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Yes finisher on max-1

[bleak sedge]

nice 😄 im at 81 and 98 ilvl but your spikes confuse me 😄

[balmy condor]

syncing every flag with vend

[tired cape]

Yeah I got a 62 94 ilvl was just checking im doing it right

[eternal nebula]

I did get a PI as well so thats prob one of them actually

[bleak sedge]

ahhh makes sense

[bleak sedge]

hes necro no ?

[eternal nebula]

since I was top boss damage in the raid but I am venth

[tidal gorge]

I see serrated bone spike in your damage, so I'm confused why you say you're using flag

[bleak sedge]

same

[tired cape]

I was asking ravix

[eternal nebula]

OH! yeah I was necro for this wasnt I

[tired cape]

lol

[balmy condor]

what a cursed convo

[bleak sedge]

XD

[eternal nebula]

I swapped the next day lol

[spice spire]

[tidal gorge]

[eternal nebula]

bone spiking orbs

[bleak sedge]

i was battling with our shadow at most bosses for top dmg. But guardian my dots smashed him into the ground XD

[eternal nebula]

yeah our shadow got me on 1 fight

[bleak sedge]

shadow deals crazy dmg

[eternal nebula]

he parsed a 97 on soulrender lol

[bleak sedge]

most cursed fight for me was painsmith he was fucking with my cooldowns

[tidal gorge]

I'm so glad we killed him last night. D:

[bleak sedge]

i died at tarragrue because dbm trolled and apparently im blind

had a chain and didnt realize XD

[sand aurora]

^^^

[bleak sedge]

i dont get the question at all XD

[sand aurora]

rup*

my bad

rupture

[bleak sedge]

ahhb

[spice spire]

Yes

[bleak sedge]

yes but if it runs out before you get to 4-5 cp use it earlier

[spice spire]

All finishers are max-1 rupture is no exception

[sand aurora]

aight thanks

<3

[flat orbit]

[bleak sedge]

rupture cp only increase duration not dmg so rather keep it up instead of going for max-1 only

[odd hazel]

@spice spire our M+ stats are crit mastery yeah?

[bleak sedge]

in starter i rupture at 3 cp sometimes when i dont get a crit

mutilate -> slice -> Mutilate -> garrote -> flag -> rupt even when i have 3 cp. Might be bad though

[odd hazel]

thats fine

Also

i swear sometimes i get 5 CP from mut

i might just be seeing things

[spice spire]

Afaik yeah

But haste and vers also good

[swift grotto]

So I just got home from vacation, what happened I thought obedience was the play 1000 percent

[odd hazel]

it got nerfed, they made the vers 0.5% instead of 1%

[spice spire]

Nerfed lightly still very good

[odd hazel]

its still REALLY Good

[flat orbit]

Got nerfed, still good though.

Just not an outlier anymore

[strange python]

its just weird because when my MA window comes back up and I get my 4-5 CP lined up and I use them in the MA window my damage barely goes up

[swift grotto]

Yea but why would I craft it when I already have doomblade and doomblade is better?

[odd hazel]

doomblade isnt really better

its better by like 40 in ST

and worse in M+

[balmy condor]

because it's good in dungeons, and raid, and sub raid, and sub single target

[bleak sedge]

btw do the NW spears work with vendetta?

[balmy condor]

and you have to recraft your doomblade anyway

[spice spire]

You’ll have to recraft Doomblade if you haven’t since 9.1 anyway as well

[balmy condor]

no

[flat orbit]

Obedience is good in raid/m+, doomblade requires you to get another lego for m+

[bleak sedge]

unlucky saw a pala using it with his dmg boost cd and he nuked the boss

[odd hazel]

might as well just play obedience tbh

[visual prairie]

you might want to try sub. there might be fights / scenarios where the CDR makes flag line up well with important stuff and that's more valuable than doom

it's way more fun than doom

well not WAY more, but pressing cd's more often is nice

[odd hazel]

i wish dashing was better tbh

[bleak sedge]

same

[flat orbit]

Same

[swift grotto]

I mean I would rather go back to Necro if its less then a 2 percent difference now.

[bleak sedge]

obedience dashing and the nightfae one sound fun as hell

[swift grotto]

between the coves

[odd hazel]

i wish night fae was better

[visual prairie]

there are no rules against going to necro

[flat orbit]

Necro is fine yeah

[viscid spear]

So Obedience is still great because the CD reduction wasn't touched, right?

[swift grotto]

obedience was like 5-6 percent ahead

before the nerf

was it not

[odd hazel]

Yes

[flat orbit]

Yup

[odd hazel]

the vers wasnt what made it strong

[viscid spear]

It's still far and away the best for Sub still?

[flat orbit]

It def. was a major factor.

[odd hazel]

nah

[visual prairie]

yeah, cutting the verse reduced ST damage by 4%

[odd hazel]

4% isnt a lot

[flat orbit]

It is

[visual prairie]

??

[flat orbit]

Wtf?

[odd hazel]

its really not

[flat orbit]

Do you realize what 4% is

[odd hazel]

yes

[flat orbit]

Are you certain

[sudden brook]

yeah its almost 5%

[odd hazel]

Absolutely

LOL

[raven quarry]

4 > 2

[viscid spear]

More than 3% but less than 5%?

[flat orbit]

We optimize for 0.1% what makes you think 4% is low D:

[sudden brook]

i mean a 4% nerf sucks

[odd hazel]

if you did that

you'd all be a mechagnome

stop thinking its a lot

[swift grotto]

everyone has their own but my variable for what is "OK" as far as dps for feel is 2 percent

[sudden brook]

but sin is one of the best specs in the game rn for raid

[flat orbit]

I am a mechagnome

:D

[odd hazel]

good brother, you know hte way

[lone wren]

instead of 10400 you will be doing 10000 damage.

[visual prairie]

people in here argue for hours about opener optimizations that make a 0.1% difference

[swift grotto]

and Necro is so much better for dungeons

and outlaw

[odd heath]

Who even plays alliance lol

[potent raft]

in m+ when you are specced into CT, do you use it instead of envenom? (outside of shiv window)

[flat orbit]

But i do think doing 400 less dps is kinda a lot

[odd hazel]

400 dps is nothing

you wont even notice it

[viscid spear]

Mechagnome diaper fetishists have ruined the race for me.
I don't know what I would be if I wasn't Human.

[sudden brook]

i mean 4% is a lot if ur talking optimization but

[visual prairie]

you should take one of your trinkets off then

[sudden brook]

it doesnt hurt sin that much

[obtuse robin]

400 dps is alot

[sudden brook]

sin is still fine

[flat orbit]

I think ill notice 400 dps tho

[maiden raven]

If im playing crimson tempest should i use it single target aswell?

[balmy condor]

yes

[lone wren]

if we were talking say difference between 2 different specs where lots of other factors would come into play yes, but 4% for a single ability is significant imo

[maiden raven]

aight ty

[bleak sedge]

yes outside of shiv windows

[sudden brook]

u wont notice the dps difference from obedience because its not in the game yet

[spice spire]

Yes, keep it up outside of shiv windows

[fervent path]

Maybe not, but everyone in your guild has that attitude all of a sudden you've lost 4-5k dps from your overall raid

Which is a lot

[odd hazel]

we are talking one spec, not a entire raid. lets not take it out of proprotion

[fervent path]

Well it isn't

[viscid spear]

It's viable, moreso for encounters where your main target is mobile and not as stationary, so Poison Bomb loses out.

[fervent path]

Its your attitude

[tidal gorge]

Akshyually it is technically in the game, you just can't craft it yet. pushes up glasses

[bleak sedge]

Btw when i get blindside procs in opener do i just replace mutilate with ambush =

[fervent path]

400 dps is A LOT

[fading vigil]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[odd hazel]

people choose not to take 400 dps all the time

its not a big deal

it wont make or break you doing well

[bright turret]

its a good thing nothing was actually lost then

[fervent path]

If you say so

[flat orbit]

@balmy condor would you consider 400 dps a lot or insignificant?

[odd hazel]

okay-- then dont play necro and play evnth'

venth

if you care about taht

[lone wren]

tbh what obie was doing before nerf is irrelevant, look at the difference between obi and doomblade and make your decision based on that

[flat orbit]

I mean the reason it got nerfed was because it was 400+ dps ahead

[bleak sedge]

400 is pretty big

[viscid spear]

Always spend your BS procs. If you Mut while a free Ambush is up then you risk losing a potential proc.

[bleak sedge]

120k dmg in 5 min fight

[balmy condor]

don't pull me into this shit ass conversation

[flat orbit]

[scenic meteor]

lol

[viscid spear]

I mean always use your BS proc before you do another Mut

[bleak sedge]

makes sense th x

[flat orbit]

He's like NOPE

[sudden brook]

who cares if its big or small

the nerf happened

rogue is strong af so far

[dawn ivy]

make your own decision

[lone wren]

tbh though asking someone if 400 dps is a lot, is like asking someone if $200 is a lot of money

[scenic meteor]

if you play doomblade you then have to craft zoldyck for m+ - id rarther obi for both 🙂

[obtuse robin]

both are alot

[viscid spear]

You know what this argument needs?
A food analogy.

[bleak sedge]

not for me 😎

[flat orbit]

Someone make a food analogy

A good one.

[tired cape]

https://tenor.com/view/6m-rain-wallstreet-make-it-rain-gif-8203989

[bright turret]

if you're sweating over 400 dps on a sim, why arnt you already playing sub then

[odd hazel]

^

this

go min max some more if you want that much

[fervent path]

Different damage profile my friend

[red bloom]

[fervent path]

Assass will still likely be better in raids

[red bloom]

i play what I want

[viscid spear]

Say you have a plate of fries and someone takes four of them
"It's just 4 fries."

[lone wren]

i think this topic came up a couple of weeks ago

[tidal gorge]

"tbh though asking someone if 400 dps is a lot, is like asking someone if 5 cookie is a lot of cookie"

https://tenor.com/view/cookie-monster-cookie-for-you-many-all-you-can-eat-cookies-gif-16994005

[tired cape]

🍿

[bright turret]

i know its lol heroic, but it seems like it'll be pretty sub friendly

lotta storm for free points opportunities

[bleak sedge]

watch me swap as soon as sub actually performs better and not just in sims XD

[lone wren]

400-500 damage difference between specs or classes that have different damage profiles and lots of other factors is way different than a single ability for a spec changing that much

[young jacinth]

has the bleed bug been sorted?

[sudden brook]

[balmy condor]

you mean the poison bug?

[young jacinth]

yeah

[balmy condor]

no

[young jacinth]

that

ah okay ty ty

[lone wren]

no rogues are fine if the player is good, so they dont fix the bugs, they just nerf the overtuned abilities here

get good :p

[sudden brook]

whispyer is it u koji or mystler submitting the simc profiles

[flat orbit]

Sounds like a skill issue

[balmy condor]

I submitted sub/sin

[sudden brook]

sub one is wrong

should be theotar

[young jacinth]

whats the command to see the discription

[balmy condor]

it was pre-flaws yeah

but the difference is so minimal

not really worth re-submitting

[spice spire]

!Pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[sudden brook]

up to u in the end

[reef quartz]

out of curiosity, do the current sims take into account the poison bug?

[spice spire]

Yes

[balmy condor]

they aren't meant to be like giga optimized to the teeth tbh

but I've considered it

[young jacinth]

tyty

[swift grotto]

Did they make it so you can swap w/o the 2 week wait?

[spice spire]

Yes

[bold jetty]

obedience/doomblade on cloak right?

[swift grotto]

is there like a special person you talk to?

[balmy condor]

as per pins, yes

[spice spire]

Nope just go to the covenant you wanna switch to speak to them and you’ll swap for free - no wait period that is

[cedar crater]

Hey all, im going to be staying sin for both raid and M+. currently NL. Should i switch to venth?

[spice spire]

If you want, They’re both close

[bleak sedge]

doesnt matter. Play what u think is more fun

[sturdy bone]

I had to wait ?! Did it today

[spice spire]

Did you swap when the fix went live already? If so then yeah you’ll have to do the quests

To swap back from a covenant you already used before***

[sturdy bone]

Na I did it before 😪

[swift grotto]

I swapped from necro like 2 weeks ago

Gunna swap back

[sturdy bone]

Like 1-2 days

[spice spire]

Unsure then

[sturdy bone]

Ye me too

Will be back home on Wednesday anyway

[spice spire]

Same

[bleak sedge]

which is sooooooo dumb. we are legit all fighting together and they are like "you fucking whore betrayed us go do random bullshit"

[spice spire]

I didn’t diamond hands Necrolord and am paying for my sins

[spice spire]

Call that the wow classic. Gotta gate somehow

[bleak sedge]

yea

In my opener to i pool before flag -> rupture or do i loose to much rupture dmg then?

[limpid quest]

Doomblade legendary for raiding is it best on Back?

[frigid kestrel]

ye

[limpid quest]

why is that?

[frigid kestrel]

Domination Sockets

[thorn crater]

Domination sockets

[limpid quest]

ty'

[frigid kestrel]

ye

[gentle badge]

I’m necro lord outlaw main

Would it be better to do outlaw for keys and assa for raid

Or should I do outlaw / sub

[delicate bone]

i do outlaw / sin

mainly sin for raid except i play outlaw if needed on certain fights

outlaw sub would be pretty bad as necro

youd prob want kyrian for that combo

[gentle badge]

Okay sin it is

[dawn ivy]

if youre sticking necro, sin is the only good choice

[gentle badge]

I don’t wanna change cov

[dawn ivy]

necro sub has a prety poor showing

[chrome widget]

I feel like sub is either Venthyr or Night Fae?

[gentle badge]

Venthyr

[dawn ivy]

sub is pretty hardstuck venthyr

[gentle badge]

Kyrian

[chrome widget]

Kyrian I see it

Kyrian or venthyr

[gentle badge]

Yeah

[chrome widget]

My first time looking at the sub pins tbh

[split grail]

I don't fully understand the dom shards.

[silk thunder]

Venthyr because I wanted to look at new stuff...plus the mount is not to shabby

All the important reasons

[tidal gorge]

5 total slots, certain pieces provide a bonus if you have 3 of the same type. So you put one of the type you want in that piece and 2 others, then put 1 of each other type in the remaining slots

[split grail]

Oh, so we want 3 unholy. That's what the "set" means in the pin

[neon vapor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[tidal gorge]

And they're unique-equipped from what I've seen. So you need all 3 unholy (2 are not really a dps boost but the set is), then the dps one from the other 2

[split grail]

Okay, that makes more since

sense

[sand aurora]

is obe still bis?

[red bloom]

rogue is still the yellow class right?

[weak glen]

Do you always use Flag with vendetta?

[teal bloom]

you use flag on cd unless you're sure that you won't lose a cast by using it with vendetta

[viscid spear]

Das rayciss

[north basin]

nice. warriors discord whine > war devs. nerfs reverted. can we do the same with obe?xD

[fiery mauve]

i'd rather them just buff rogues if anything

cause y not

[dim zealot]

Obe was nerfed?

[plain thistle]

yes

1% versa per stack to 0.5% per stack

[dim zealot]

Well, i was going to keep being necro anyways

[north basin]

we need to flood wardev twitter ftw.

only language they understand

[dim zealot]

The dormazain trinket shouldn't be our bis i mean, we get extra agi with crits and also heal if below that 50%

Or it isn't just because we don't have that agility stat in it

[knotty glade]

I have that trinket

Is it good ?

[dim zealot]

It seems to be B tier but for me is A...

[knotty glade]

I got it in normal, so I used it over the Sire one

Lost dps

[dim zealot]

Sire trinket is rly good

[knotty glade]

But it reads like it should be pretty good for us 🙁 maybe not enough crit %

[north basin]

they should buff all raid trinkets. cant be 2 tiers plague trinket being bis, bulshit

[tidal gorge]

I would almost take a DPS downgrade over my skulker. I'm tired of getting pulled into bosses

[knotty glade]

Oh yeah plague trinket is op

Trying to get it to drop in new mythics

But I got the poison one to drop 🥺

[dim zealot]

The phial is fine being BiS imo

It would be nice having a passive BiS Trinked from SoD

[fresh marten]

hey guys. Did anyone already make a "what can be cloaked" list for SoD? E.g. for the beam on the Eye of the Jailer

[knotty glade]

The soak from the nine

[dim zealot]

Guardian beam

[fleet anchor]

Which trinket are we talking about?

[knotty glade]

The destiny shard too

[strange silo]

Hey is it worth if i use sharpening stones to use the flat agi pot or just go with phantom fire?

[dim zealot]

Dormazain's

[fleet anchor]

I think mostly those types of trinkets aren't really how they appear

Since it's RPPM it really doesn't matter what your crit rate is

[knotty glade]

I have 31% crit rate and it triggers very few times

[fleet anchor]

In the past they used to make these scale in an intuitive way where it was like 1.5 + Crit RPPM (rather than Hasted RPPM)

But this one is not set up that way

It's just flat 1.5 RPPM

[icy dock]

does anyone know if outlaw want double painsmith weapon or 1 painsmith 1 sylvanas dagger

[fleet anchor]

which means crit rate is largely irrelevant

Not totally sure why this isn't scaled RPPM+Crit

But it isn't

[dim zealot]

So BiS PF Putrefaction + Kelthu trinket?

[fleet anchor]

So basically it's just a primary stat proc trinket and we've had a lot of those be available in recent years and they are all bad 😛

[patent quartz]

what domination sockets we want?

unholy?

[fleet anchor]

Because primary stat stinks

[dim zealot]

@icy dock Painsmith + Sylv dagger

[icy dock]

is the first weapon also good for m+

[fleet anchor]

Mostly the only reason Decanter is good is because it's got a lot of static crit lol

If it actually scaled correctly it might be decent though

[dim zealot]

@icy dock yup the fist weapon is good for m+ as outlaw

[knotty glade]

So we aim for kelthuzad trinket and phial?

[dim zealot]

think so

[knotty glade]

Cool, thanks

[real pewter]

Seeing a pretty even split between necro and venthyr for raid

[sand heath]

The thought of farming plaguefall, again … 3 runs in already..

[fleet anchor]

Only 3?

Come on, takes at least 20 to get the trinket!

[sand heath]

Yeah I am struggling to see that green texture

I did something like 56 last tim

[fleet anchor]

I literally didn't get the trinket drop a single time last season 🤣

[strange python]

Phial is a crutch

[obtuse robin]

pf drops the 2 top 5 trinketsd and i cant get niether of them to drop

[sand heath]

Even worst. Yes a trinket drops, oh no it’s the fucking blob one for the 5 plus time.. so disheartening

[obtuse robin]

the blob trinket is really good

top 5

[sand heath]

On the plus got IQD .. need to try it, not Venthyr tho

[cyan dew]

Guys, does sin is viable on dg or it's better if I change to outlaw (It was my main spec on 9.0)

[dawn ivy]

you can play sin in dungeons fine

you would only "need" to swap to outlaw if you wanted to push through mid 20s

ive been doing some 15s as sin competing just fine

[cyan dew]

Yeah, I was doing some dgs and feeling like I was being carried by others specs.

[cyan dew]

how much is your overeall?

I'm doing like 6,8.

[dawn ivy]

idk dpeends entirely on the dungeon

[cyan dew]

But I feel I would be doing like 9 with outlaw (was doing that on 9.0

[dawn ivy]

i play sin on something like spires/ToP

[wide hawk]

9k dps overall? what dungeon? o_O I'm highly sceptical (but maybe I'm just terrible as outlaw :X )

[cyan dew]

Some dungeons, 8 on the rest.

[wide hawk]

I don't think I've seen that much damage overall, outside NW anyway.

[somber hill]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/covenant-legendary-tuning-updates-warrior-venthyr-change-removed-323309

They reverted warrior one

be vocal and maybe we can get samme treatment

[grim jay]

Please

Dont start that again

[restive sparrow]

[somber hill]

their top TC called out blizz to revert it on many platforms and they listened

[wide hawk]

but theirs maybe wasn't broken

[visual prairie]

well, it's sort of broken, but they need it

[somber hill]

its quite broken actually

ya

i think 50% nerf was too heavy personally

[strange silo]

Hi is the initial flagelation hit worth to put in MA or just mut+envenom?

[forest delta]

anyone want to help me see what I'm doing wrong on my sin ? I've got a log

[chilly marsh]

coming back after a break what opening we are using now ? saw some logs with ambush >SnD > Mut others with Mut > snd > mut

[quartz iris]

In general I think it mut...snd...mut

Ambush on proc

[halcyon zealot]

you open with mut from stealth unless you’re necro then you open with SBS, you only press ambush ever if you’re playing blindside and get a proc, never from stealth

[still elm]

man i really wish i didnt grind up necrolord just to swap covenants

[quartz iris]

Just make another rogue for assassin lol

[halcyon zealot]

i mean there’s really nothing else to do

[still elm]

i am not making another rogue haha ill just grind out the renown

[fleet anchor]

Honestly initially, probably the Sack is the best trinket for a while until we unlock higher ilevel upgrades for M+ gear. Basically equivalent to 246 Phial

Depends on Valor

[lone wren]

if you make another rogue and dont get phial and daggers on either of them, thats feel bad x2

[fleet anchor]

As a second slot in particular it seems useful since we won't have enough Valor to upgrade two items for a while

[lone wren]

and knowing our luck they will do a balance pass and make NF great again

[quartz iris]

It's not hard. I started a new rogue for outlaw necro to do dungeons and I was renown 12 in like 10 minutes. Just from doing dungeons and turning in the fate quests

[halcyon zealot]

ya i wouldn’t waste valor on any gear this week, wait til next week when it’s 239 end of dungeon and not 229

m+ this week is for vault mainly

unless ur mega undergeared

[still elm]

@quartz iris oh thats not too bad i guess which soulbind are we using?

[quartz iris]

For Assassin venthyr?

[limber lion]

I would do 10x +15 dungeons this week, prioritizing dungeons you haven't yet completed

But that's just me.

[still elm]

yea @quartz iris

[limber lion]

Nadja for Venth in raid, Theotar for m+

[still elm]

@limber lion thanks

[quartz iris]

What he said lol.

It might slow down more closer to 40 as we're locked at 44 I think this week.

[odd hazel]

i do a de other side and get a outlaw conduit

sounds good

[obtuse robin]

at this point i just want it to drop to mend 8 months of not dropping

[gusty breach]

y0 boys, when can we craft obidience ? next week or 2nd mythic week?

[odd hazel]

next week

[fleet anchor]

Honestly when M+ comes along

Unless they change the trinket, Sack will probably be BiS

Next patch

It's way OP for the ilevel

[gusty breach]

thats next week i assume ?

[odd hazel]

Shhh you saw nothing

[gusty breach]

[cerulean nest]

when tf are these cape prices gonna come down holy

[odd hazel]

Gross

[odd heath]

stinky again

[soft shale]

did you see koji the pic i posted earlier in general?

that is on guardian btw

on m+ or aoe you can 1 stack mobs

and it does even more

[cyan dew]

Guys, when I'm openning on a boss should I ALWAYS do the first Rupture on 4+ cp or if my mut + garrote only do 3 cp I press Rupt anyway?

[balmy condor]

rupture on 4

[trail mica]

im probably late to the game

but

[balmy condor]

whats the point of this

[trail mica]

we should have cried more

maybe they revert obedience nerf

[soft shale]

they were talking about sack being op

and if it does not get nerfed no trinket does 7% of your dmg right now

so chances are we will run a M0 sack over 252 items

[icy edge]

So quick question about the necro lord ability. should i use that to generate combo points if low energy or just wait?

[timid cloud]

But is it 7% across all classes? Or just Demon Hunters?

[balmy condor]

I don't get how demon hunters would magically buff a trinket by about 100%

[balmy condor]

apply dot
extend lbe/kevin, or during gemstone
prevent overcap

in that order

[soft shale]

no its all classes cydone

[icy edge]

you just spoke gibberish lol i'm still learning. no idea what lbe/kevin is

[soft shale]

its just the only person in my raid with it its a dh

[timid cloud]

They auto & have more haste on the regular, that's why I thought that they'd benefit from On-hits more than other classes.

[soft shale]

nah just look at chains of rage % damage vs sack

on other classes its almost the same

[indigo ginkgo]

dumb question,
we canb aplya domination socket in a socket that aint from set? corret ?

[cyan dew]

Another question @balmy condor , If flag comes off cd, should I use insta or I should build 4+ then use it?

[indigo ginkgo]

like shoulders frost set, we can put a bloot on it ?

[restive falcon]

as necrolord assassination, is it worth crafting a rank4 zoldyck and upgrade that to rank6 first or my doomblade legendary first? I dont have a zoldyck yet

[icy edge]

depends what you do more.

[grim jay]

If the class deals less damage itself but the trinket deals about the same, the % of the trinket is higher :pepeclown-1:

[restive falcon]

i do both m+ and mythic raid

[harsh anchor]

prio mythic prog imo

[balmy condor]

Not by that much but thanks for trying to educate me on things I already know

[restive falcon]

i just wonder if it worth crafting the rank4 zol

[harsh anchor]

IO can be raised all season, guild rank cannot

[balmy condor]

Build then use

[cyan dew]

ty again!!!

[rustic whale]

@balmy condor are you vent or necrolord?

[balmy condor]

Venth

[ornate tinsel]

Im sure u guys have been over this, but necro assass is fine right? I see everyone switchin ovr venthyr

[balmy condor]

Fuck

Autocorrect

[rustic whale]

ty 😄

[balmy condor]

Yes, perfectly fine to play necro or venth or kyrian

The only really bad one is fae

[hoary rover]

Is the Dashing Scoundrel lego on par with Doomblafe? Bloodmallet shows it .13 dps ahead of Doomblade.

[timid cloud]

Just not Night Fae, if you play NF, we'll all judge you.

[ornate tinsel]

O ok tyty cuz i do like to play outlaw here and there

[restive falcon]

m+ zoldyck is better but doomblade for this tier since im already necro with cleave, so is it even worth using zoldyck on mythic prog outside of keys?

[timid cloud]

Only for extreme cases of execute.

[ornate tinsel]

Seems assass isnt bad in keys atm too. Did 6.8k overall and beat a boomie!

[grim jay]

Why so aggressive .. was just teasing you a bit. Its obvious that you know

[restive falcon]

i beat a ele and frost mage in my 15halls earlier but i had doomblade so idk if i swap to zoldyck just for the "always" 30% execute

[ornate tinsel]

Yea i was using doomblade as well

[balmy condor]

The pepeclown came out very rude, so I responded in kind, you know how text is some times, all good man

[balmy condor]

Roughly

[ornate tinsel]

Is venth only roughly 50dps ahead of necro?

[grim jay]

I'm sorry it came out wrong

[ornate tinsel]

Sim wise

[balmy condor]

Let’s see

I got to here but then I couldn’t do the math

Guess we’ll never know now

[timid cloud]

Turn off bluetooth pls.

Giving me anxi.

[balmy condor]

I have Bluetooth speakers

[chilly viper]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[grim jay]

I always have it turned on bcs of my car aswell

[chilly viper]

Is there like a rule of thumb that you should be using DS with a certain amount of haste ?

or doesn't matter

Cause right now deeper strategem with blindside seems slow af

[pure osprey]

sin is kinda slow

[grim jay]

You can always just sim yourself and see

Tho as knatt said, sin is slow

[timid cloud]

If you don't like how slow it is, you can run EP / Vigor & it's not much DPS off.

[ornate tinsel]

Ty thats helpful

Any particular reason ppl r gemming crit over haste for assass?

[harsh anchor]

Prob sims better

[ornate tinsel]

Isnt haste best for single target

[balmy condor]

Probably because it either sims higher, or they’re using the piece for sub, where it sims higher, or outlaw, where it sims higher

[ornate tinsel]

I see

[balmy condor]

Or they just had the crit gems I guess

Idk

Secondaries are all rubbish

ILvL is king

[obsidian aurora]

How big was bliz’s obedience nerf yesterday? Is it still bis?

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

I don’t want to check your peens bro what hella weird

Sure it’s massive though

[obsidian aurora]

Jesus

[chilly viper]

tf

just arrived here and I see this

[timid cloud]

Oh I'll pin ya down, hotrod.

[grim jay]

And here I am.. thinking we were that close... 😭

[timid cloud]

[chilly viper]

Do you guys think sub will get better with the daggers from sylvanas?

[toxic kelp]

hey , is the trinket ( relic of the first ones ) the 207 world drop , gonna be significant with obedience legendary ? has anyone test it or know if its good or not ?

[wintry mica]

Is necro ahead of venthyr in M+ or only go necro if you want to swap to outlaw?

[balmy condor]

Sub gains more from the daggers

If that makes a difference who knows

[chilly viper]

Right

[balmy condor]

Sim it and see

[novel moss]

I mean if i was blindly going on the new sims, sin is the weakest xD

[plain thistle]

almost bis

could have been phial + totem

[chilly viper]

3 specs look all pretty good tbh

Good patch for rogues so far

[vestal wren]

sin will remain a strong choice even with daggers being stronger on sub

i don't see sin becoming less relevant

[grim jay]

Under simconditions that is the case. You could at this point use wl as a reference for real performance, but you gotta take missing things into account

[vestal wren]

only thing that can make sub gain substantially more players would be if the fights benefit sub a lot more

[chilly viper]

I enjoy all specs tbh

Sub is just special to me idk why haha

Burst is satisfying af

[obtuse robin]

wat u think about otulaw fuu

[chilly viper]

Man i've seen people crank with outlaw

that guy Junkratxd

he raids with JPC is really good

[vestal wren]

its good but sub/sin makes it hard to recommend for raiding

but if you like outlaw pls play it

[obtuse robin]

other then sylvanas

or nah?

and the nine/soulrender

[versed mica]

Fuu or whisper- how is obedience looking for 2/3 Target cleave?

[fleet anchor]

Nah I didn't see that but I did update the sims for the trinket Wed night after looking at logs

[wintry mica]

I could see outlaw being really good on soulrender

[soft shale]

so in m+ its even funnier you 1 stack more than one mob

and it explodes anyway

[fleet anchor]

Yes the expiration aspect is more powerful in AoE

[soft shale]

i wish i had the trinket

[fleet anchor]

As long as mobs live long enough

It's poor for things that die too fast though

Will be quite a lot of waste in M+ at lower keys, or even 15s

Still good though

[soft shale]

no idea trinkets seem quite weak right now

that one is an outlier

remember kt trinket kek

carried by agi

[fleet anchor]

It's mostly limited by the low ilevel

If we could get it at M+ ilevels it'd be busted

[wispy thunder]

can you swap cov twice in one week? want to go back to necro, i like doomblade with sbs

[fleet anchor]

But as it is, it will get outpaced eventually

But it's great atm

[wintry mica]

supposedly they added a one-time swap back thats easier? but I havent tried, originally it took 2 weeks to go back to a cov you left previously

[wispy thunder]

yikes okay, thank you

[wintry mica]

well 2 weekly quests so you had to wait for a reset at least

[wispy thunder]

ahh copy

[strange python]

So even after the nerf Obedience overall is still a good go to huh

[wispy thunder]

affirm

[limber lion]

Sure

[odd hazel]

@limber lion having 3 people take plume in M+ is stupid satisfiying

no ones able to cast anything

[limber lion]

Yep, and helps the tank kite

[civic trellis]

Hey guys. Any tip to improve my gameplay here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dXf3PcaHCZgkhT1K#fight=17&type=damage-done

Any tip is appreciated 😛

[versed mica]

My question got lost in the conversation, anyone know?

[civic trellis]

(i am aware i dropped garrote for 2 sec at the end)

[inner temple]

#assassination message

the tiny.cc link

[median hamlet]

would you ever use a combo builder at 4 or 5 points? or always finisher

[pale fossil]

At 4 points when using DS

[versed mica]

Looked it over, raidbots is only showing Necro Sims atm

[stable cove]

New sin here - on 2 target cleave fights such as the 9, do you try to keep both garotte and rupture up on both targets or only rupture?

[pale fossil]

Both

[stable cove]

thnx

[signal swift]

Swap targets often to apply doomblade bleed as well

[spice cargo]

This might be turbo obvious but you build to 5 combo points b4 you Flagellation right?

[pale fossil]

Doomblade Bleed is based on Mut damage so it actually doesn't do anything to spread it around.

A double application on the same target does the same damage as one application on two targets.

[chilly viper]

@spice cargo yep

[icy edge]

yes

[pale fossil]

You do want to at least melee the second target to apply Lethal Poison, but you'll naturally do that unless you're applying Garrote/Rupture to your second target via Mouseover Macro.

[balmy condor]

Nadjia is necro now

[rancid warren]

Something seems fairly odd about SBS usage in this raid; as some of the adds don't die but seems to dissappear at 1hp(esp. at KT), SBS properly doesn't reset(same reason with MfD not resetting in openworld quest sometimes)

[balmy condor]

Yeah

They do that sometimes

To prevent resets

[versed mica]

Lmao, what is this? 2 or 3 cleave?

[balmy condor]

Sometimes it’s just bugged

[balmy condor]

That ones 2

[versed mica]

I was looking for it on 3 tbh

[balmy condor]

It’s bad

Is the point

[timid talon]

hmmm so if you guys could only craft 1 legendary on tuesday, doomblade/obedience, which one would you craft for mythic prog?

[balmy condor]

Obed

[versed mica]

Why obed?

[timid talon]

That's what i was thinking as well, I just don't wanna grind that much ash on an alt

[stable cove]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

It’s good everywhere

[devout glen]

Good on aoe and st

Very close on st

[balmy condor]

For sin and sub

[void pecan]

Stat weights are shifting to crit vers.. weird..

[rancid warren]

Any chance for assa using the 20% cov ability CDR trinket?

[echo geyser]

lower than 1min cd flag

[balmy condor]

No

[timid talon]

that trinket is for door of shadows, not flag right? lol

[balmy condor]

Correct

And that’s why we’re never going to use it

[echo geyser]

[little ivy]

im justr gonna run zoldyck in keys even as venthyr

try and stop me

[versed mica]

So on 2/3 Target cleave fights in raid, would you use obed or zoldycks?

[little ivy]

use zoldyck dont be a coward

[balmy condor]

I mean that’s fine

[balmy condor]

There is no 2/3 target cleave fight in sanctum

[versed mica]

Oh

Wtf I thought there was

[kind skiff]

The nine?

[versed mica]

So doomblade the entire way?

[balmy condor]

Single target fight hiding behind a 2 target phase 1

[balmy condor]

Sure

[versed mica]

You don't seem too sure lmao

[balmy condor]

I don’t think it matters whether you go doomblade or obedience

[versed mica]

It's close enough that there won't be a difference?

[thorny pond]

Essentially

[balmy condor]

They sim within margin of error

[versed mica]

Ah. I might try using it then, it looks more fun than doomblade tbh

[balmy condor]

Idk what you want me to say

[wild beacon]

unless you can play literally exactly like a sim

[versed mica]

I'm just asking questions homie

[thorny pond]

“Use this legendary and I am 100% confident”

[modern heart]

i'm a robot wired to play perfectly

[versed mica]

Lmaooo

[thorny pond]

Sin is close enough to a robot

[balmy condor]

It’s not really that hard

[wild beacon]

we're not all pro gamers

[simple wadi]

Probably nice to have both legendaries honestly - obedience gives you a more readily available burst window

[mental trout]

just got this last night, sims about +70 dps then i was using... what do you guys think about this? If i was below 50% it would be a pretty big hit, but realistically how often are you really below 50% health for more then a second or two depending on the healer. I think its pretty damn good TBH

[thorny pond]

Hardest part of sin is not going giga monke and spamming all your abilities then being energy starved when you need it

[versed mica]

Pro sin players be like
https://c.tenor.com/5vo_w_jDfwgAAAAM/calculation-math.gif

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/life-patience-frustrated-kid-gif-8336821

That’s literally all y’all

[balmy condor]

Just feels like a convoluted way to say “I don’t trust sims”

[strange python]

I mean even if you go giga monkey you still do pretty ok

[balmy condor]

But aight

[strange python]

Sin isn't really a breakneck optimisation dealio these days

[thorny pond]

If you don’t trust these sims then what are you trusting?

[strange python]

kinda what makes it fun

[balmy condor]

Good trinket

[thorny pond]

Intuitions? Then how the hell you end up here

[versed mica]

Wait, obedience isn't even available yet, correct?

[thorny pond]

Correct

[strange python]

next week

[balmy condor]

Bro you did 3 pulls on painsmith, tell me if sub with 1 sylvanas dagger and 226 potency conduits is better in your experience than sin with 225 doomblade and 213 lashing, given that necro is not obedience venthyr party favors uptime euphoria sim bait big damage op reroll boomy?

[strange python]

Man I'm feeling pretty proud of this discord atm, I kinda expected to see the whole thing in flames after the obed nerf, somehow everyones just like "eh it's still good"

Meanwhile the ret discord...

[thorny pond]

I just tell those people to shadowstep behind the balls

[balmy condor]

It was a shit show yesterday

But we got sims up in an hour

And then we were chilling

[icy dock]

do the % chance of sylvanas dagger stack if u have 2

[thorny pond]

Best part is people think of the most obvious things like it’s some gotcha. Like we haven’t discussed some super obvious thing 100x but they are positive it’s right

[balmy condor]

And we did community meditative asmr session

[strange python]

I mean the worst that could have happened was we just stuck to doomblade

[icy dock]

or does only the damage part stack

[balmy condor]

Only damage

[strange python]

I do wish that they'd bring some other options up instead of focusing on nerfs but ah well - sometimes it just be what it be

[thorny pond]

If obedience got completely trashed subs would’ve been sad

[versed mica]

Obed carries sub tbh

[thorny pond]

Not really

But it pushes it over

[strange python]

I love sub, I kinda wish they'd bump up rotten, but I'm still rocking Sin mostly

[thorny pond]

Sub doesn’t need any leggos like that

[tidal gorge]

Wanna get triggered? "We should start using ambush as the first action in opener again because ever since they put cut to the chase back we don't need the extra combo points for SnD"

[placid cobalt]

idk why but when comparing nadja and heirmir in top gear necro comes out on top by 80 dps on ST with current gear, anyone else experiencing this or having any idea why?

[lusty pagoda]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[woeful meteor]

@placid cobalt can you link the sim

[placid cobalt]

sure, here you go https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7hQ8ENMwkMF5hJMQ78EJRr

[fleet anchor]

Just use it for a raid and check your logs for the judged buff uptime. It won't be very high though.

[spice spire]

You farmed viewers tho

[fleet anchor]

Pretty rare to be below 50% HP for an extended period

[balmy condor]

Worth

[spice spire]

True

[fleet anchor]

Like 95% of my procs from Chains in CN were damage rather than healing

Literally

Not made up number

[spice spire]

Woke up saying “damn I’m gonna hit 300 viewers today”

[balmy condor]

Success mindset

[spice spire]

The octillionaire grindset

“Nerf your best tool just enough to scare people, but not hard enough to actually do harm”

[pliant token]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[fleet anchor]

One of our raiders was running Guard on Tuesday and I checked his logs

His highest uptime of Unworthy was Painsmith and most of that was in the intermission

Other fights he was at like... 1-3%

So I think it'd be fair to sim it at 95%

[pliant token]

Thinking about crafting "Zoldyck Insignia". Does that mean I need to add Garrote and Rupture to every mythic+ group?

[solid venture]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3jW487UMcXJaaGawRtVdGD 🦾

[mental trout]

i figured since it was an equip id always be judged worthy so long i was above 50% health and just walking around with +119 Secondary stat... that shit if the up time wasn't very high =/ esp since it doesn't say any thing like "has a chance of being judged, just says you are judged worthy etc.

oh i see

uptime with the -50%

[fleet anchor]

Judged is the bad part. 😄

Unworthy debuff

it's only gonna be 2-5% depending on the fight

[mental trout]

yea being judged worthy is what we want, judged unworthy is trash... Hey is i was only judged unworthy 2-5% I consider that a big win lmao

[fleet anchor]

Almost any time there is some HP condition it is irrelevant for DPS

[mental trout]

I see the buff i have right now, vers increased by 119.

[woeful meteor]

@placid cobalt you are simming nadja triple potency nadja with dauntless duelist should be better than heimir

[mental trout]

damn when i use my quantum device i have 1458 versatility.

[thorny pond]

Unless you suck

In which case you’re probably dead anyways doing 0dps

[mental trout]

ESP with Recuperator, that thing is sick.

I got a 239 Well-Placed Steel last night too. Increased the Nature Dmg buff by an additional 3%

[teal bloom]

Does obedience gain more value compared to zoldyck in dungeonslice when you are better geared? It's currently simming about 0.6% worse than same ilevel zoldyck for me

[mental trout]

Also got some crit haste boot, with a dom socket and a shard of zed. Some how it doesn't sim better though. =/

[deft cave]

if im at 4/6 CP and 1 sec to shiv debuff expires should i cast envenom at 4 or its a waste using it at max-2?

[woeful meteor]

@placid cobalt simmed it again with nadja duelist and deeper strat blindside, now venthyr is better but its still very close https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9wdLU8AxvzfA5Y8zvHTbGW

[fervent rune]

What powers you guys taking on first boss of domination

[mental trout]

emeni has an ability that increases your movement speed by 20% for 10 seconds. Any idea if that (sole slough) stacks with sprint? That would be 90% Movement speed.

[ember tangle]

30% Stat/acid dot/more dmg with 2 ppl/12% haste

At least 2

Getting all is kinda hard

[real pewter]

Anyone else surprised by how close necro is parsing to venthyr?

[strange silo]

what was the command for the consumables sim?

[umbral rapids]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[strange silo]

ty

[kindred rapids]

No necros probably the superior covenant atm

[random radish]

What lego assa rogues use in m+?

[pale fossil]

Zoldyk

Unless you're Venthyr, then you'll use Obedience once you're able.

Check out the DungeonSlice sims in the pins.

[real pewter]

Pog, necro's ability is way more fun than venthyr

[pliant token]

With Zoldyk on how many targets you Rupture/Garrote?

[indigo valley]

Why is necro the superior cov now? 😦

[kindred rapids]

Obedience nerf

Back to where we were pre obedience basically

[balmy condor]

As many as survive long enough

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t call it superior

[thorn crater]

Can you get loot from tazavesh normal and hard mode?

[balmy condor]

But if that’s what you wanna do

[balmy condor]

No

[thorn crater]

Thank you

[pliant token]

thx, will try it 🙂

[indigo valley]

I know parses aren’t supposed to matter as long as bosses are dying, but I’m really feeling the struggle trying to parse well on the first 5 in heroic.

[shell ivy]

new doomblade on back right?

crit haste

[balmy condor]

Yep, same with obedience

[shell ivy]

how come back is better now? :O

[umbral rapids]

other slots are domination pieces

[shell ivy]

oh

[idle star]

Got my gloves and an unholy shard. It breaks stealth :(

[subtle tundra]

there's a low amount of parses rn so even a rank 40 is purple

[misty bough]

hmm, anyone got a So'Leah Secret technique WA?

[real pewter]

This is a stupid question, but do assassination rogues want to always be using 2 daggers?

Or do we use 1 dagger 1 something else?

[versed mica]

2 dagg

[teal bloom]

Need 2 daggers for mutilate

[real pewter]

kk i figured

if only there were crafted weps

[abstract flicker]

is the soleah trinket simmed correctly with the 111 stat bonus that comes with the usE?

[versed mica]

From what I understand yeah. It just sucks really bad

[misty bough]

this one is really good and the so'leah is like 5 stats less and got a 100% uptime

I mean, so its not that awful

there are for sure better options i assume

[abstract flicker]

shows me -165 compared to memory of p sins and even more for phial both 226

-165 dps ofc

[misty bough]

I don't have too many options right now, try to compare titanic ocular to the so'leah

they should be very close if so'leah is working correctly on sims

[regal river]

Is there any list of what dominating socket is the best and which u wanna upgrade first etc?

[misty bough]

is a wild guess

[regal river]

that was my guess as well :p upgraded it to 0.44%

well wowhead had a list so i assume its pretty decent to follow. kinda a no-brainer but still :p

[oak sky]

i think we want unholy gems

[kind talon]

yes

dyz is bis

[oak sky]

then the damage gems from blood and ice

[kind talon]

dmg blood gem is fucking dogshit

i had to say it

[oak sky]

i have dyz

[kind talon]

fuk u

man

sugon

[obtuse robin]

i got the leech one

[kind talon]

lol

kms

[regal river]

i got 3 gems, 2 items with socket and 1 conduit from first 6 bosses xd

[oak sky]

i dont have any slots yet tho

[obtuse robin]

how ya got 3 already

wtf

[oak sky]

@kind talon

[kind talon]

thats 4

im 10/10 normal

lol

[oak sky]

i have 2 gems

8/10 N atm

[obtuse robin]

i only have 1

[kind talon]

pog

[regal river]

im still 8/10 normal as well so

[oak sky]

im gonna do kt and sylvanas later tonight probs

[neon cloak]

Guys the gap between necro and ven in ST is less than before right?

[oak sky]

eye and soulrender are kinda sleeper

but fatescribe

banger fight and banger VA

[misty bough]

the ice on sounds interessting tho

[kind talon]

fatescribe was omegalol

[oak sky]

hes the moaning world champion

[kind talon]

i fucked him

ayaya

[oak sky]

lets go

[kind talon]

where

[oak sky]

to pound town baby

[kind talon]

ok

[oak sky]

is that your ilvl parse

because either way thats pretty juice

[opaque karma]

next weeks ilvl leggo is the 249 and not the 262 correct?

[oak sky]

that sounds right

[viscid spear]

Probably a dumb question but what do we think about the 220 PvP trinket Unchained Gladiator's Shackles of Malediction?

[kindred rapids]

We don't think

We sim

[cedar crater]

So is nadia w/ doomblade in m+ bad, i dont see it on sim chart?

[oak sky]

playing with zoldyck or obedience is probably generally better

doomblade isnt bad in m+ per se, especially on smaller pulls

[cedar crater]

Im currently NL. was thinking about switching to venth for obedience, but i would be behind in renowned. Think i should just make zoldyxk?

[cedar crater]

and switch venth?

[real pewter]

seems like necro is the best atm

[oak sky]

Im probably staying venthyr

I think they both have some advantages and disadvantages

[pure sentinel]

can i cloak thru the eyes laser?

[oak sky]

Yeah

[pure sentinel]

wicked

[cedar crater]

So you think staying NL will be okay? or will going venth be better in the long run?

[oak sky]

I dont think it matters too much

If you like necro its close in st, probably better in cleave, and better in dungeons without obedience

[soft shale]

just drop sylv daggers

and get dom socket gear and drop the sockets

those will be the first 3 or 4 weeks problems

[spice spire]

The big issue is Doomblade wants you to mutilate and envenom. During larger packs, you’re not really doing either so it almost makes it a non-legendary in most M+ situations

[rancid warren]

save cloak for accidents, use shadowstep at the eye when the laser approaches

[frosty cedar]

where does shadowstep take u

directly in the middle?

[rancid warren]

Yep

[frosty cedar]

I just used door of shadows

lmao im a noob

[teal bloom]

necrolord only simming 0.3% behind venthyr in single target for me hmm...

[abstract flicker]

so if i sim top gear it shows me my equipped gear and only changes the ring enchants from haste to versa. gems stay haste. if i sim stats with same gear it shows me 1,81 for crit and 1,6 versa 1,55 haste. why it does not replace the ring enchants with crit if it sims that higher then versa??

[little ivy]

can sin even do anything to painsmith balls

[rancid warren]

I just envenomed. Thats all

[strange python]

Can eye of jailer's chain mech be cloaked or vanished or just cloaked?

[oak sky]

I tossed a low cp rupture on the balls and shived if it was up

[obtuse robin]

the laser can be cloaked yes

[oak sky]

No idea on vanish but its a dps cd so probably best not to

[obtuse robin]

u can also shadowstep and dos

[spice spire]

Pretty big dps loss imo. My strat is to step to someone who can get past them

We’re only five pulls deep rn tho

[tribal marlin]

yes why not

just swap target, do autos, mutilates, ambush idk

[topaz leaf]

Can also FoK like 6 targets as you walk through.

for a tiny funnel.

[tribal marlin]

I mean technically ranged can do it, but if you struggle with that mechanics, just hit

[brisk imp]

so with obedience nerf, the specs are even closer now huh

the lazy method of keeping DB sin seeming strong

[tribal marlin]

assa funnel isn't as big as you think it is. You'll do more ST mutilating

[strange python]

Not the lazer sorry. I'm talking about the chain mechanic

[little ivy]

for some reason i thought melee range killed me, thanks to everyone

[oak sky]

You just have to kite it

[tribal marlin]

yes the ball hitbox is shit

reported it on PTR testing

seems like they did not care

[soft shale]

yea we all suffered one of those oof

tryin to hit the ball

getting spike stunned into rip

[spice spire]

miki ethical bug reporter

this absolute king reported the exsanguinate bug with sbs, nothing but respect

[thick wagon]

!talents

[pulsar coral]

on the Nine do I FoK when the two bosses are up

or do i just keep bleeds and single target

bleeds on both and focus one

with mut as builder

[timid talon]

trinket buffs

Titanic Ocular Gland now grants 117 of your highest secondary stat (was 112). TREMENDOUS buffs

[misty edge]

That just seems so odd to me lol…like what was even the point of that haha

[jagged bobcat]

FoK Envenom

[sick cairn]

anyone know if the razorwing trinket is anygood? i dont see it in herodamage

[rocky sluice]

what missives for doomblade

crit haste?

[sick cairn]

crit haste

[rocky sluice]

word thanks

[narrow ravine]

razorwing is on the list on bloodmallet its rather low

[sick cairn]

im making a 230 ring anyone know if i should make the big stat crit or haste?(im necro)

my haste and crit rn are very close to each other

both of my rings are like bloodoath and arachnid cipher

[odd hazel]

raid downed 5 bosses one shot,im shook

got one peice of gear

@balmy condor can you shadow step the balls on painsmith?

[timid talon]

Its buggy, you'll die sometimes

[odd hazel]

Rip, i'll just keep using door of shadows

painsmith is rough

tbh its because we are all melee basically

where do you even get these shards from

shard of kyr

[strange moss]

when do you pot in the sin opener?

[cedar crater]

if i switch covs, will i be behind in renown?

[north granite]

You can catch all the way up

[strange python]

Taza trinket seems big

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t suggest it

[dim yacht]

is blindside worth using on sylvanas?

[graceful mirage]

does the dude who writes the icyveins guide posts here right?

[plain thistle]

seliathan?

yes

[graceful mirage]

i was reading the opener part on the guide and it has the talents switched around

[plain thistle]

hmm let me check

here?

[strange python]

You flag after vend?

I thought it was flag before rupture

[plain thistle]

yes, before rupture

[graceful mirage]

yeah, unless there's a secret tech to cast garrote out of stealth in MA builds

they are switched around

[plain thistle]

hmmm no, thats the subterfuge opener

[lunar otter]

so back to domblade for bis ? 😦

[dim temple]

it seems so.. but lets see and wait a week or 2 😄

[lunar otter]

yeah t hats what im doin heh

[cedar star]

I’ll probably prioritize Obedience, I think it’s more versatile

I also want to play around with sub

[stone gust]

is vamp sin still good

im stuck with sticking to sub or going necro for sin/law for leys

[oak sky]

Necro and venthyr sin both look good

[balmy condor]

Where does it say that

[thorny pond]

Garrote hasn’t been a stealth ability in a bit

[strange python]

i beat the game

[ember jay]

is there an example of a 2target opener somewhere?