assassination

[viscid spear]

Oh that, my group got too close to the stage before I could exchange it

[deft cave]

Those sims are considering the obedience nerf or it is not implemented yet?

[leaden turret]

yeah freshly simmed

[deft cave]

okay

[forest delta]

so afterall obedience is still good

[cerulean nest]

you mean the purple one thats like 207?

[leaden turret]

yeah it just isnt as stupid as it was you know, now you can swap between Doomblade and Obed

depends on fight I guess

[frosty gyro]

It goes to 226 doesn't it?

[fathom flax]

It’s 226 if you do hardmode quest

[weak bane]

^

[cerulean nest]

i did the hardmode quest...

[weak bane]

If you did hard mode the first day, rhe turn ins were buggy as fuck

[cerulean nest]

yeah i did...

[frosty gyro]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=187552/perfectly-forged-credentials?bonus=6805

[weak bane]

I personally can't get back into the oasis to turn it in still

[cerulean nest]

might need to wait till next week

[weak bane]

It's from the guy that gives you the 200 neck when you get to the oasis

[cerulean nest]

oh ok

[weak bane]

Then you have to talk to far'wharever out front, he gives you quest to kill last boss then turn in at oasis for 226 neck

[cerulean nest]

thats the part im on

i dont see him to talk to him

one final time

[frosty gyro]

It's not bis for the tier, but I think it might be bis until you get a neck in the 240+ range

with good stats

[weak bane]

Yeah so it was/is bugged af for the turn ins, i needed someone fresh to reset the instance for every single person in our group in order to see him after putting disguise on

Idk if they fixed it but it was fucked on Tuesday

And now I personally can't get back into the oasis with everything I've tried (door is closed and then shop guy won't give me an item to start the trading game) so I'll turn it in next week I guess

[cerulean nest]

the oasis is where sorry? the open gauntlet area?>

[rare lance]

Was able to do it least night. Need to make sure youre wearing your necklass when you go to talk yo him. And at the start of the dungeon after the reset if you move around before equipping it and using the diguise you have to reset again

[weak bane]

The bar/music area

[cerulean nest]

oh ok

[weak bane]

Where you got the 200 neck

Password entry thingy

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

gonna try now

[gloomy rose]

is there visual settings that reduce the effect of friendly spells on the floor or do I just need to get good?

[hollow stratus]

I think he means that if you don't have a bleed+poison on multiple targets to get Venomous Wounds procs for huge energy gains, makes it feel bad due to being energy starved and trying to tab mutilate targets to get more doomblade bleeds on multiple targets. I could be wrong, but I think this is what he was trying to say?

[strange silo]

quick question does it change dmg or smth if i have sinful or celestial guidance on mh or oh?

[rare lance]

Spell density it general settings. Put it to essential and see if that helps

Er system>graphics

[royal wasp]

Well now I don’t know what to craft. Guess I won’t make a sin legendary til mythic is out so they stop rebalancing

[gloomy rose]

thanks

[elfin tiger]

Obedience dead?

I was about to make one

[frosty gyro]

no

check pins

[final sky]

what do i want to be doing in raid fights, usually i just keep garrote and rupture up and then use envenom, shiv and vendetta on cd

[slow marsh]

auto attack the boss

[final sky]

ok so im doing all i can

[weak bane]

Look up pooling energy if you aren't doing that

[final sky]

wdym

[limber lion]

I hope not

[cerulean nest]

yeah hes not here in the oasis

[weak bane]

Think of pooling as your default state

[limber lion]

Because Doomblade doesn't work like that

[shy nest]

whats the opener as assa? i've heard with sbs but I feel liker I never get slice going or is just worth to use slice with one combo point?

[limber lion]

You don't want to hit multiple targets with Mutilate

[shy nest]

im necro

[limber lion]

It's literally a waste of time.

[limber lion]

Yes, just SnD with 1 cp

It's enough to maintain for the entire fight.

[elfin tiger]

is this sims after obedience nerf?

[shy nest]

ah okej ty ceverion

[ember tangle]

Haste recommended for changing vigor to DS?

[short token]

what opener suggests snd on 1 cp?

oh if you're not playing MA

[kindred rapids]

Only parse that matters is Normal Tarragrue imo

[visual prairie]

i just blame that parse on getting bad powers

i don't know which ones are good, but I must have gotten the bad ones

[brittle basin]

best rank 1 of my life

[kindred rapids]

Only time I'll know how it feels to do 11k dps

[cerulean nest]

is getting one of the 230 crafted haste necks worth it?

[royal wasp]

if im playing both outlaw and sin then obedience probably the move just since i can use it with both right? even though i have celerity already

[hollow stratus]

I am not saying he's right or wrong, just trying to figure out what he was trying to explain xD

I personally thought it wasn't worth it either lol

[nimble tinsel]

If it's affordable enough for you, why not?

[limber lion]

^ Agree.

[kindred rapids]

well you'd have to socket it right

[limber lion]

[sick trout]

what about leg nerf ?

[nimble tinsel]

Tbh for any of the 230 crafted gear just find a buddy to make it for you, the mats for literally any of them should be pretty cheap (5-10k) for the entire thing (base item, upgrade item, missives)

[lost mist]

im starting to think that some ppl CAN'T see red dots

[odd hazel]

Tbh I’ll prob try sub and if it’s meh to me I’ll just continue playing sin. Oh no your 200 more dps then me

[royal wasp]

can someone link the current dps rank sims?

[mystic osprey]

Hey Fam - Does Simc assume 100% uptime on Titanic Ocular Gland?

[royal wasp]

i can't find current

[indigo mulch]

10.6k dps instead of 11k without obe :c

Feelssadman

Oh well, it was fairly expected anyway.

[kindred rapids]

I just thought it would be fun to use a new legendary

[pure tide]

When can we even use obedience

[kindred rapids]

next reset

[odd hazel]

M+

[royal wasp]

more places than doomblade it seems

[pure tide]

Sick

[royal wasp]

doomblade still purely st better

but

[kindred rapids]

I'll still use it for sub in M+

[pure tide]

Sub in m+ is fun

[royal wasp]

obedience better for m+ and its not far behind on st even

i just outlaw m+ feels like trolling to not

[odd hazel]

I just don’t like the play style of outlaw

I mean

It’s not that far ahead to think it’s required

[pure tide]

I think it’s more of a pref at this rate which you wanna play

[odd hazel]

^

[odd heath]

I will just craft obedience and play It for St and m+ tbh. Venthyr and obedience seem overall better for this raid tier

[kindred rapids]

wow Necro w/ finality is beating obedience for sub dslice

so Necro is even good for sub switching now

[odd hazel]

Stinky necro bois

[sterile torrent]

obedience n erf?

[lyric cave]

where u looking that

[kindred rapids]

sub pins

only problem is conduit energy, both specs want gemstones

[rocky rain]

At 3 CPs, shiv -> enven(4)? Or muti-> shiv -> enven(5) with overcap?

[forest delta]

If I only want to play sin in raid, its still a good choice to craft obe or should I craft doomblade

[rocky rain]

Also, Flag before shiv/vanish so vanish with haste stacks? Or flag during vendetta/vanish buff?

[kindred rapids]

I mean I don't think it's for the haste stacks

[halcyon zealot]

press shiv when it’s off CD, finishing at max-1 is better than forcing an overcap

[light surge]

how many targets is it until you just spam ct

[halcyon zealot]

but also if you’re at max when shiv comes up, it’s ok to press it and overcap then, but i wouldn’t force a mut, for the most part it’s just slam shiv on CD and disregard CPs

[rocky rain]

Yes, but shiv -> envenom(4) or muti to full and then shiv? I guess shiv and envenom at 4?

[kindred rapids]

just macro shiv to every ability

[oak sapphire]

is flag still worth building after nerfs?

[light surge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[tidal gorge]

Save cooldowns for last phase. I didn't have any problems with him. If that doesn't work, when you get more gear this patch you should be fine.

[balmy condor]

never spam ct

[halcyon zealot]

assuming you’re playing vigor, i’d say Shiv and envenom on 4, but i have no math to back it up

[sterile torrent]

did obe leggo get nerfed

im confused by perfectos twet

[vestal wren]

use cp to maintain the bleed

[leaden turret]

yeah

[sterile torrent]

jesus

[leaden turret]

only gives half the versa now

[sterile torrent]

there goes the fun i was looking for

[leaden turret]

but if you look at sims, it's still fine

[vestal wren]

obedience is now more optional on assassination

[timid cloud]

Yeah, still good for Sub though.

[vestal wren]

you can go zold/doom too

[leaden turret]

yeah just more flexibility I guess

[vestal wren]

so i would say the changes are good

[sterile torrent]

is it going to be the best for raid as sin/sub?

[vestal wren]

more options = good

[sterile torrent]

yee but if necro assa is better now cuz of the leggo nerf im gonna be pissed to roll necro again

[vestal wren]

obedience is only mandatory on subtlety

[sick scarab]

toxic onslaught BUFF !! 😛

[vestal wren]

thats because akaari, etc. are weaker compared to e.g. doomblade

[vestal wren]

so its now likely not a dps loss to use it

[sick scarab]

agree lol

it can be fun lol

[sterile torrent]

welp any idea when we can expect new sims?

[odd hazel]

Already there

[sterile torrent]

posted in pins?

[odd hazel]

Yes

[vestal wren]

whispyr already simmed it localy

[sullen inlet]

With regards to the sims, is the Sylvanas dagger just not implemented or is it not included to get a better idea of legendary values? Basically come Tuesday if I get a like 233 dagger in my vault and a 252 dagger from M+ or what not, would I be able to run the sims there to get an idea for the value of the proc?

[bleak sky]

whispyr is the fastest simmer on the wow community

[odd hazel]

Because y’all go wild when ever something happens

And can’t calm down

[vestal wren]

i will likely update my spreadsheet tomorrow (tho i assume that one is less used)

[young nacelle]

Whispyr doing the lords work

[wide ridge]

blizz had to nerf us, didnt they

[real kettle]

the new lego on head or back?

[night leaf]

would be much appreciated 🙂

so doomblade is here to stay?

[hollow bolt]

How big is this nerf on Ventyr lego ?

[night leaf]

decent nerf

[vestal wren]

yes

[real kettle]

ohh its nerfed already?

lol

[hollow bolt]

I still playable?

[night leaf]

yes

[idle shard]

time to subt? Pepelaugh

[south belfry]

[hollow bolt]

thx

[vestal wren]

it changes it from "mandatory" to "optional"

[idle shard]

[kindred rapids]

Whispyr already anticipated the nerf and ran the sims in advance

[vestal wren]

still good legendary power

[night leaf]

sub has higher patchwerk style dps, but SoD favors assas

[tidal gorge]

Why is the first course of action for people after a big nerf or other change not to click the pins and answer their question, rather than asking the same damn question everybody else asked

[hollow bolt]

thx sec one is Doomblade now

[south belfry]

Nerf post on Wowhead is less than 3 hours old, nobody probably expected the sims to be so fast

[vestal wren]

they won't change doomblade

[shell belfry]

i'm learning assa, do you not use ambush at all?

[sterile torrent]

nah and obe still seems like the bis one

for sin tho

[limber lion]

Only from Blindside procs.

[shell belfry]

What do you use from stealth when opening?

[limber lion]

Mutilate. SBS as Necrolord.

[pulsar coral]

guess im gonna go necro now since its closer to parity and is superior for dual speccin?

[gaunt isle]

I havent played since start of SL so im night fae which seems omega dead now compared to venthyr and necro, whats best out of those for mythic raiding?

[shell belfry]

Thank you

[amber sun]

how do you use CT on Single target? am at fatescribe right now and dont know if i should just not use it until adds spawn

[nimble tartan]

use it outside tb window keep up bleed

[amber sun]

ty

[odd hazel]

What is

Tb

You mean shiv?

[quartz shadow]

[nimble tartan]

ye

[quartz shadow]

It's TB

[odd hazel]

Shiv

[nimble tartan]

tb

[odd hazel]

It’s not even TB

First y’all call sin Mut then shiv TB what in the world is going on

[fleet anchor]

lol I had the changed checked in about 30 minutes after the hotfix notes dropped. ezgame

3 hours may as well be an eternity!

[south belfry]

What an actual chad

[fleet anchor]

Pros of the WFH lyfe

[balmy condor]

@fleet anchor kojispyr pog

[alpine latch]

Well shit, guess I need to start farming conduits from m+ again. lol

[lavish pulsar]

they seem to be dropping pretty quickly

[alpine latch]

My WPS is only 200

[odd hazel]

Got 3 226 conduits from m+ today

[alpine latch]

What level keys?

15s?

[odd hazel]

10

[alpine latch]

shit really?

[odd hazel]

Yeah

[alpine latch]

I only got like 213s

[tidal gorge]

Has anybody run adamant vaults yet? I was hearing you could get the conduit item from there, but is that only one per week or farmable?

[odd hazel]

You can also get sockets and assuming farmable

[alpine latch]

Supposedly the drop rate is low on that. Like 10% chance or something

[lavish pulsar]

@balmy condor long time question asker, first time poster, does obedience being nerfed mean i can now pool before shiv?

[opaque sparrow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[lavish pulsar]

[odd hazel]

Wouldn’t worry about pooling

Just slam that shit

[cyan dew]

Guys, on Aoe with like 6+ tartgets, should I use CT as a finisher?

[odd hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-wrestling-kids-body-slam-gif-15872871

[cyan dew]

Or ALWAYS use CT for dot only?

[knotty heron]

Do we think the nerf will be significant?

[odd hazel]

Only use to keep bleed@up

Otherwise use evenoms to refresh snd and rupture

[alpine latch]

By the way - where can we report things that need to be updated in the guides?

[full jungle]

10% isnt bad when u can just perma farm vault

[cyan dew]

ty

[glass socket]

Should i always hold flag for vendetta? or just keep slamming flag on CD?

[odd hazel]

Never hold flag

Unless you’ll miss a cast

[sterile torrent]

wait what

[knotty heron]

Slam slam

[sterile torrent]

cast flag on cd?

[knotty heron]

Yeah

[sterile torrent]

O.O

ok ty

[odd hazel]

Yes always

Cds should line up any way

[knotty heron]

Especially with leggo

[lavish pulsar]

hm, is dungeon slice a good comparison for 2-3 target boss cleave (think Generals P3)? I'm wondering if Venth is still best for that

[glass socket]

i mean flag is 1 minute 30 and vendetta is 2 minutes so it would only line up in begging and 6 minutes right?

beginning*

[odd hazel]

You do not wait just slam it

Unless you know

You’ll miss a cast

[knotty heron]

The leggo reduces flag CD

[odd hazel]

No, venth will always be a good choice because in a situation like that just put bleeds on other target and blast one of them

Bleeding the 2nd target will gain you energy to pump into the first

It’s what we did on council

[lavish pulsar]

Not saying it's bad, but how does it compare versus like Necrolord 😛

[odd hazel]

The difference is meh

[fleet whale]

Venth is still fine even after leggo nerf since it’s still good without it

[sleek sparrow]

the one vaults my group did we got 3 of the conduit items

dunno if lucky or just decently common

[spare grotto]

Wlogs says I have less dmg than details on Nerzhul, is there a padding that wlogs filters out ?

[azure bronze]

Probably the orbs that get the tank debuff

[delicate bone]

wcl has been very good at removing padding in the past few tiers

[spare grotto]

Do they take excess damage or something ?

[knotty heron]

Will obedience still be bis over doomblade?

[azure bronze]

yeah the debuff makes them take increased damage

[odd hazel]

Checks pins people

Please

[spare grotto]

Oh that must be it then

Thanks bruh

[uneven hamlet]

so we are in the same spot before the leggo right? dunno if rogues will go necro for prog

[south belfry]

Other rogue in our raid is doing a bit more damage than me currently and hes necro

The crit he gets from emeni is crazy

[fleet whale]

Necro is prolly slightly better for prog but venth is still fine for prog

[south belfry]

He has overall 2% crit than me, but all his skills crit 10-15% more

[pliant nest]

you get crit from emeni?

[azure bronze]

I think he means heirmir

[south belfry]

Sorry i mean heirmir

[quaint furnace]

Do you still use Crimson Tempest in single target scenarios if you are specced?

[balmy condor]

yes

[short night]

i find i have trouble soloing torghast floor 10 (let alone aiming for full score) - do most rogues try to solo it or is there something im just missing

[quaint furnace]

Thanks 🙂

[slim siren]

yea no chance rogues can 5 star it alone imo i just do it with a dk and boomie

[strange python]

I was able to solo L10

I could only 4 star fracture chambers though

[short night]

WHATS YOUR SECRET

[slim siren]

what ilvl are u griff

[sick scarab]

i did 5 stars lasst week and did 195 this week...

[dull cloak]

wym solo torghast as rogue is so easy. its actually harder in groups

[strange python]

im only 219 ilvl lol

[sick scarab]

but morth'egar hit like a truck

[slim siren]

fucking what? its so hard alone

[tidal gorge]

???????

[strange python]

u just take the skill that gives u cloak/evasion/feint when u shadowstep/grapplehook and then the talents that reduce the CD of those and ur pretty much invuln all the time

[dark swift]

Got 230 points this week

[slim siren]

yea ive only gotten that combo once tbh

[dark swift]

It's doable for sure

[jolly phoenix]

I haven’t found it hard. Even prior to the nerfs. Bit slow though.

[tidal gorge]

Leeching poison, pull small-ish til you get unceasing chain link, profit

[dull cloak]

you honestly dont need to zoom that hard, the timer score is forgiving

[short night]

are people pulling a few packs or are you guys taking it pack by pack?

[strange python]

the timer is almost ignorable, biggest thing is not dying

[dull cloak]

focus on the bonus points and you can easily get 5 star

full completion ofc

[strange python]

full completion/no deaths ye

timer is like the most ignorable metric there

[slim siren]

yea idk if were doin diff torghasts but i litterally do the same dps in tor and out of tor and surviving is a bitch. idk man ive always found rogues have it the worst of all my classes in there

[chilly magnet]

hey guys

quick question

when do i flag on burst for PVE

whats the rotation like i googled a bunch but theyre all different tips

[dapper dove]

does the covenant lego nerf for venthyr hit hard?

[slim siren]

pins

[somber dove]

where in Pins tho?

[slim siren]

litterally the first pin

where it shows dmg charts

[novel arrow]

AAAAAAAAAAND..... I'm now necrolord 😛

[somber dove]

my bad

[novel arrow]

Thanks blizzard

[runic basin]

But why?

[forest shoal]

I'll stay necro for now. It's still being tuned obviously

[slim siren]

meh its close enough but if you do alot of dungeonslice necro might be a bit better

[novel arrow]

@runic basin Because before, the gap for obedience Venthyr was large enough that I sacrificed the best pvp covenant. Now that it's This close. Basically "Did you crit?" difference. Necrolord is beyond bis in pvp. 2 birds. 1 covenant

[hollow talon]

Looks like the sub st sims are huge

[runic basin]

Sub need uptime af

[versed mica]

So is obedience legendary dead?

[frosty gyro]

Rogue Torghast is very dependent on hitting the common power that gives your cp generators +150% damage after using a finisher

I had a run on tuesday where that was in the starter anima power, finished 8 minutes under par

[versed mica]

yes guys I get it lmao

[fallen arch]

Ok so Sub still OP with obedience we better off now with good ol’ doomblade?

[novel arrow]

Its not dead, but it's so close to necrolord. Why would you be venthyr. Necro is a much better covenant all round. tankyness is off the charts.

[frosty gyro]

and getting a full score is actually not bad, you just have to be aware of a lot of the things that award score

[winter current]

i just finished adamant vaults doing 70k dps on final boss as sub.. sub always seems to benefit most from anima powers in there

[bleak sedge]

Mort regar is a nightmare tbh

[kindred rapids]

I don't do dungeons, just dungeonslice. I don't even play, just sim my character.

[frosty gyro]

Well I mean

[fallen arch]

Fuxk yes I’m happy, turning back to stinkyboys right away

[frosty gyro]

Door of Shadows is kinda good on Painsmith

[fallen arch]

@gusty mirage is with me

[slim siren]

good playing the way god intended manwich

[bright willow]

Relic of the Frozen Wastes is good trinket? Just got it from KT

[frosty gyro]

@novel arrow reason to be Venthyr is the ability to play all specs with 1 legendary PvE and PvP

[pseudo hamlet]

Is obedience good for PvP?

[novel arrow]

@frosty gyro Venthyr pvp rogues? oof

[frosty gyro]

I imagine Sub with Obedience will be fine

[spare flame]

Do I shadowstrike at 4cp ?

ST with deeper

[novel arrow]

I"m in the assassination channel tho.

[slim siren]

wrong sub

lol

[fallen arch]

Go away

We dont ss here

[novel arrow]

I'm specifically in the assa channel to talk about assa

[frosty gyro]

It doesn't mean it isn't a reason to be Venthyr

[fallen arch]

I don’t wanna hear about sub tonight anymore

[frosty gyro]

Not to mention Obedience is probably better than Doomblade in reality

[spare flame]

rather tickle bosses with poison

[timid talon]

I'm sure there are still encounters worth using obedience for, yeah

[frosty gyro]

Doomblade is ahead on patchwerk with full uptime but things like painsmith intermission will make Obedience better

[green nacelle]

Meele damage #1

[timid talon]

but doomblade is going to be better on most encounters now

[frosty gyro]

Why do you think that?

[slim siren]

alot of the fights feel pretty patchworky in sod

atleast from the first 6 i killed

[novel arrow]

Because you can fuckup Flag. But you can't fuckup doomblade.

If you dont get that 25point finisher off in that window, you lose alot.

Doomblade is set and forget

[timid talon]

Most of the fights are prio damage, there aren't adds that live long enough to matter really, and doomblade is better for that

[novel arrow]

Why do you think Sub sims higher in ST, but performs 10x worse in raids.

[fluid raven]

What shards do we need as rogue?

[small island]

im so happy they nerfed the venthyr leggo, now i can stay necro and not feel bad about it

[dawn ivy]

fights with windows of forced downtime would make obedience better though, hes not wrong

[frosty gyro]

Because no one is playing sub atm?

[slim siren]

check the pins jord

[novel arrow]

Because sub requires precision on spreadsheets. In actual raid, you never gonna get that all the time.

[timid talon]

you should still feel bad about that

[novel arrow]

Doomblade will be consistent

[frosty gyro]

Also sub loses more for being forced off of boss

[novel arrow]

exactly.

[iron orchid]

There we go again

[frosty gyro]

???

[novel arrow]

Doomblade vs Obedience now, Obedience still will be good. But you can fuck it up being unlucky. and u might miss 1 extra vendetta timing

Dooblade is just . done deal.

[frosty gyro]

I mean yeah, but in a lot of cases when you don't fuck it up it will be better

[kindred rapids]

So Obedience is the sub of sin?

[tidal gorge]

I started the expansion as sub. Definitely didn't like getting an artificer ghost right after I hit dance. Don't want to go back to that

[twilit hollow]

[novel arrow]

Sub doesn't have good legendary options. Obedience is just too good for it . Assa on the other hand. has doomblade.

Kirvin, do you play assa?

[frosty gyro]

TBH not sure how Obedience will make CDs line up on other bosses

Yes

[novel arrow]

ok

If u raid

[frosty gyro]

I just haven't changed discord role lol

But like specifically on painsmith, Obedience is going to destroy doomblade

[novel arrow]

You should check your logs, or record yourself. And see how many times your flagg only gets 15 stacks because of bad rng.

[frosty gyro]

Because the intermission lines up so well

[odd hazel]

That should never happen

[frosty gyro]

15 stacks? You have to fuck up realllly bad and not pay attention to when it's coming up for that

[odd hazel]

If you’re only getting 15

[bleak sedge]

im so split between obedience and doomblade that i might reroll to necro to avoid that decision XD

[slim siren]

wait ive never had flag only get 15

[odd hazel]

You’re fucking up

[slim siren]

the least i get is 24

[frosty gyro]

I think the worst I get is 23

[slim siren]

thats rock bottom

[frosty gyro]

I need more crit

[novel arrow]

Yeah, some people need more crit for sure.

[odd hazel]

That not the issue

You literally should never get less then 22

[novel arrow]

I agree.

[bleak sedge]

if you pool you cant get lower than 22

[odd hazel]

You’re doing something wrong to get 15 EVER

[novel arrow]

Situations aren't always ideal, if it was 30 all the time. Obedience would be a banger.

[dawn ivy]

youre popping flag with no cp if you are only getting 15

[slim siren]

yea but its never below 22

[median hamlet]

at 4 cps, is it better to mutilate and get to 5 and waste the cp or just use finisher?

[hollow talon]

If I play crimson tempest on fate scribe I will use it on the boss for the dot right

[slim siren]

just finish kp

[nimble tartan]

just full send never pool tbh ….

[novel arrow]

but having versa nerfed by 50% . I'd rather just have doomblade and deathspike.

[odd hazel]

Are we talking about the same thing here

[novel arrow]

And be a ranged melee

[kindred rapids]

Does WCL show stacks?

[odd hazel]

Death spike is dead

[novel arrow]

necrolord, not the legendary

[odd hazel]

Bone spike you mean

[novel arrow]

yeah

soryr names are similar

[frosty gyro]

I mean IMO it's actually harder to play bone spike optimally compared to flag

[novel arrow]

never the legendary! I never mean the legendary 😄

[frosty gyro]

If there's a lot of adds

[bleak sedge]

i think flag is harder in adds but thats just me dotting everything in flag window XD

[novel arrow]

I can't imagine flag does well in dot situations

[sand sigil]

when u sim urself rn on raidbots, does it account for the 150 dps loss from the deadly poison bug or is it accounted for already?

[odd hazel]

It does fine if you use it wisely

[frosty gyro]

flag literally sims higher on dungeon slide for sin

[novel arrow]

there a DP bug?

[odd hazel]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[white mountain]

I play Necro Outlaw, with Assassination offspec. Zoldyck is the play, no?

Just wanna be mega super sure haha

[frosty gyro]

Do you have celerity?

[white mountain]

ye

[sand sigil]

so

[novel arrow]

If you are necro. @white mountain Doomblade for single , zol for dungeons

[sand sigil]

is it accounted for in the sims or not 😂

[bleak sedge]

i think im getting obedience first and then doomblade i think thats best for me

[sand sigil]

like do i need to -150 from my simmed result or has it already been updated in the weekly/nightly

[frosty gyro]

Obedience is the better option IMO

[fallen arch]

It’s Necro

[bleak sedge]

i mean doomblade is useless in m+(maybe in tyrannical its ok) so obedience is better

[slim siren]

anyone notice the double your in shiv

[spice spire]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[spice spire]

I’m pretty sure it’s accounted for, James

[iron orchid]

It is

[sand sigil]

okok ty

[tidal gorge]

That means if they fix the bug our sims go up by ~150 yeah? 😄

I love free numbers

[novel arrow]

That dont actually affect in game 😄

[spice spire]

If fixed yeah

[novel arrow]

if 😦

[spice spire]

But for now it’s not so we do less dam unlucky

[novel arrow]

We do.. pretty good damn already tho. it's ok

It is pretty funny tho how shiv doesn't proc deadly.

There used to be a time where shiv specifically procced your poisons. Ironic

[echo cargo]

Why’d they nerf our lovely new leggo 🥲

[snow torrent]

Thankfully not a huge nerf by the looks of it on the sims :)

[deft wagon]

isnt it a 50% nerf? from 1 to 0.50

[modest glen]

they didnt nerf cd reduction

[deft wagon]

ah

right

[viscid spear]

But I liked the Vers

[odd hazel]

Because people cried about it

[cedar star]

Other classes I hope

[odd hazel]

Nope

Other classes have stronger CoV leggos

I mean

I can’t complain because I am glad we can play either of the three specs and be good

Not many classes can say that

[halcyon zealot]

would you rather it get nerfed now or in 3 weeks after you crafted it(even though you probably still will)

cuz those were the only 2 options

[tidal gorge]

They could have buffed the other cov legos too. Not just 2 options

[odd hazel]

It’s fine it got nerfed, it just wasn’t as Op as people say

[odd hazel]

This

Instead of focusing on one why not TRY to make NF leggo relevant

[halcyon zealot]

they always nerf the strong instead of buffing the week, takes less resources on their end to focus on one spec/item that’s OP than to balance the other 15 or whatever

[odd hazel]

“OP”

Lawl

[regal cape]

I mean resounding is close or even good for sub/outlaw

[odd hazel]

Die kyrian

Kidding, it sounds interesting

[regal cape]

I've been all but nightfae at this point

[tidal gorge]

I was a unicorn at the start of SL. Kyrian sub

[regal cape]

Currently venthyr for sub/sin

Kyrian sub at start as well

Then necro sin

[glass socket]

So during my flag window am i just hoping for Seal of Fate procs so i can get 25+ stacks? or am i missing something?

[regal cape]

Seal/blindside

[tidal gorge]

Seal of Fate, what are we paladins now? 😛

[viscid spear]

Mash buttons, get full or -1 CP finishers asap

Honestly any number of stacks in the 20s is fine

Don't expect 25-30 stacks every time

[drowsy hollow]

Aww, the obedience nerf makes me sad, one of the few covenant legendaries people actually were gonna go

[frosty gyro]

Just get PI

[dim temple]

eh? is it beening nerfed ?

[glass socket]

50% yeah

[snow torrent]

0,5 vers per stack down from 1%

[dim temple]

omg

[viscid spear]

0.5% Vers per stack instead of 1%

[dim temple]

I done

[drowsy hollow]

You still get the CDR

[snow torrent]

They didn't touch CDR though :)

[drowsy hollow]

so it's still solid

[odd hazel]

It’s not 50%

[visual ice]

is venthyr or necro better for arena?

[dim temple]

So doomblade stil better now

[odd hazel]

Pins people

Pins

[placid pagoda]

Has the obedience nerf fucked venth rogues?

[odd hazel]

No

No

[dim temple]

see them .. no no reason to play venth anymore i guess

[odd hazel]

No

What

[south belfry]

[odd hazel]

What

[snow torrent]

Venth is still the best

[odd hazel]

What even are you people

[odd hazel]

Did…

Did you see them

[snow torrent]

Check the sims in the pin

Recently updated

[odd hazel]

Is this what whispyr feels like

[frosty gyro]

No reason to play Venth guys

Nadja and Theotar switched to nightfae

[drowsy hollow]

I was Venthyr before 9.0.5 cause Flagellation is just fun. Get off my lawn! 😄

[frosty gyro]

Actually, Obedience scales really well with PI doesn't it

[cyan prawn]

Flag and fun pre 9.0.5 in one sentence

[balmy condor]

Yes

[dim temple]

Maby the simcs it .. but in game is a other thing.. a neco will maby do more dps in the end .. reason u need to play like a robot to play like simcs

says it

[knotty heron]

That Pin is updated to account for todays nerf?

[balmy condor]

Awful bait please stop

[frosty gyro]

Might be worth getting Obedience just so you can tell priest to give you PI

[balmy condor]

Yes

[tidal gorge]

Would you like some 📌 ? Or perhaps some 📍 , 🧷 ? Or even 🖊️ , 🖋️ , or goodness gracious let's add some more letters ✏️

[knotty heron]

Ok thank you for clarifying

[balmy condor]

You won’t get it

[placid dawn]

so, with the nerf venthyr is no longer super ahead of necro on ST

[frosty gyro]

@balmy condor tell that to the other rogue in my guild who gets like 3 PIs every fight

[placid dawn]

lucky i didnt swap back to venth

[odd hazel]

like, i was starting to get a headache

[drowsy hollow]

Pay your priests. 5k pp for each pull

[dim temple]

i don't understand what u mean. how is it a bait? right now most rogues as neco are top in is more targets in raids

[balmy condor]

So do you guys not have a warlock? Or a hunter? Or a mage? Or a death knight?

[odd hazel]

necro is by no means top

[balmy condor]

Saying that you can’t hit simDPS because sims are a robot and that makes necro better is brain melting levels of stupid

[frosty gyro]

@balmy condor got locks and mages but they PI the rogue

[dim temple]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/28#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

[balmy condor]

Like it’s up there

For the dumbest thing

I have read this patch

[odd hazel]

thats only because we dont have obedience yet

[dim temple]

So u play like a robot good for u 😛

[odd hazel]

can you eve nread

[balmy condor]

Then tell your priests to stop trolling

[stark smelt]

so from the pin it looks like cov leggo is still worth building

[odd hazel]

thats because 99% of peopel went necro

and we dont have obedience yet

so please learn to read pins

before acting stupid

[fleet anchor]

I mean you gotta understand statistics.

[dim temple]

call people stupid for have a chat makes u stupid

[fleet anchor]

Necro being 5% behind doesn't mean all Necro players are 5% behind all Venthyr players

[odd hazel]

^

this

[fleet anchor]

It means the players playing equally well will do 5% more damage on average. But that doesn't mean Necro can't parse

I have a Rank 4 parse from last night as Necro Sub and Necro Sub is trash

😛

[balmy condor]

All these stats and numbers for people

And nobody understands how to read graphs

[fleet anchor]

Sims help you optimize your opportunity

They aren't a guarantee

[trail mica]

these new sims are with the nerfed obedience?

[odd hazel]

[fleet anchor]

Sims are fully updated

[arctic walrus]

is wps not better than maim/mangle?

[forest delta]

time for simming

[frosty gyro]

@balmy condor I think the rogue might just perform better as a player than the locks/mages, or it might just be PI but their average is 94 right now and the locks/mages are 48/66/70

[dim temple]

Time will tell.. see what going to happed in 14 days time 😛

[balmy condor]

You’d have to built it locally

[hollow escarp]

not in raidbots yet

[balmy condor]

Yuck

[frosty gyro]

I mean it's scuffed week 1 pulls

[fallen arch]

I hve PI rights as well, but that’s because a lot dps in our raid don’t know how to press buttons or something

[fleet anchor]

PI isn't terrible for Rogues, so it's not like it's a waste. But I never expect to get one

[frosty gyro]

My average right now is 57

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fallen arch]

Or maybe because I’m nice to our priestess, idk

[sharp knoll]

This might be a stupid question, but does envenom pandemic? I always thought it didnt but was recently told it did

[frosty gyro]

it does

[balmy condor]

Yes

It was bugged earlier this expac but got fixed fairly quick

[frosty gyro]

Actually something I keep forgetting to ask that I haven't seen anywhere, is it best to prioritize hitting Envenom in EP, or to maximize envenom uptime with pandemic, or to pool energy?

[south belfry]

Without knowing shit, id guess maximizing uptime

I just pool for shiv to get as many envenoms during it as possible

[balmy condor]

Maximize uptime

You stop pooling during flag/shiv/vendetta

[snow torrent]

If I plan on switching between Sub and Assass in SoD, It'd be most convenient to stay Venthyr, right?

[odd hazel]

yes

[balmy condor]

Yes

[odd hazel]

pew pew whispyr, to slow

[snow torrent]

Okay, thank you

[sharp knoll]

He took the extra second to capitalize his Y

[balmy condor]

I’m on mobile xD

Auto capitalizes

Dead giveaway

[south belfry]

Imagine not capitalizing first letter manually even on pc

[odd hazel]

imagine caring

[south belfry]

What are you, animals?

[frosty gyro]

So that means if you use a 5CP Envenom you shouldn't Envenom again in EP? 🤔

[hollow escarp]

tRUE

[frosty gyro]

Well actually I'll be obedience next week so this doesn't matter

Blindside Gang

[clear shadow]

will the obedience nerf be significant?

[odd hazel]

no

[south belfry]

[odd hazel]

it brought it back down to a even level

i'll admit, im surprised they did a well played nerf

and didnt just destroy it like usual

[balmy condor]

Should make a pin telling people to check the pins

[south belfry]

cries in deathspike

[balmy condor]

What do you guys think

[winged basin]

Trying to explain to people, why obedience is going to be bigger then DB on multiple fights due to transitions and multiple instances of increased downtime, is like trying to teach a dog how to recite an entire websters dictionary backwards

[odd hazel]

i dont think i understand you whispyr

what are pins

[south belfry]

Make the bot spam check the pins when someone says nerf

[green nacelle]

i mean

[hollow escarp]

mobile users can't read pins

[odd hazel]

yes they can

[green nacelle]

hasn't burst dps always been happy times

and iunno

i know for my phone

[hollow escarp]

but will they ?

[green nacelle]

it wasn't showing the newest pins

[odd hazel]

they never do for P.C either

[green nacelle]

had to get on PC to see them

[odd hazel]

my phone was

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow escarp]

if you don't wanna read the pins, just wait for somebody else to ask your question

[green nacelle]

yea was kinda exdee

was wondering what everyone was talking about the new sims

kek

[frosty gyro]

There aren't too many fights like that but the most important ones are like that

[green nacelle]

iunno, i'll prob stick to obedience since it seems the easiest to do all content with

[tidal gorge]

I haven't run the numbers yet, does obedience change the usual ordering of which talents are better out of EP/BS and DS/vigor? I could see the extra combo points from blindside and the extra energy from vigor having maybe a little more value than previously in the context of CDR

[frosty gyro]

Blindside + DS is better

[hushed timber]

What does the Obedience nerf mean for us? anyone got some numbers?

[south belfry]

[tidal gorge]

Okay, still king then. Got it 😄

[odd hazel]

@balmy condor make a meme for obedience nerf

[velvet haven]

!Pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[hushed timber]

Guys, just saw Obedience got nerfed again

We need another pin

[velvet haven]

again?

[balmy condor]

You actually cause me pain

[west cove]

see ya in priest discord cba this trash anymore

[hushed timber]

(: 🙂

[balmy condor]

I know it’s a meme

But god it hurts

[hushed timber]

LOL

[hasty crater]

are the subtelty pins updated aswell whispyr with nerfs ?

[odd hazel]

i honestly

feel bad for whispyr

[balmy condor]

Yes

[odd hazel]

because people just....dont

[hushed timber]

He loves it, I can tell

[balmy condor]

I had 250 people on stream watching the numbers come in and I feel like there’s 250000 people who can’t find them

[odd hazel]

we should just make

check pins come through this discord every 5 minutes

[devout jasper]

What do you think about Decanter of Endless Howling(garrosh trinket) for asas rogue?

[tidal gorge]

Whispyr doesn't actually exist anymore. He was replaced in 2020 with one of those water drinking birds that replies "yes" and "check the pins".

[fast pond]

is assa the coolest spec or what

[balmy condor]

My camera is actually just a very advanced vtuber

[velvet haven]

that explains why the hair is always on point

[balmy condor]

Stagnant swimming pool green

[velvet haven]

peak performance for an assassin rogue tbh

[hushed timber]

You stream, Whispyr?

[velvet haven]

(Joke, I know u main sub)

[balmy condor]

I do

[hushed timber]

Linky?

[balmy condor]

Click my face

It’s all connected

[nimble tinsel]

It's a trap

He's baiting you for self promotion

Don't do it Whispyr

[hushed timber]

Hot tub strummer?

[velvet haven]

https://www.twitch.tv/whispyrttv

there's the promotion

ez

[kind talon]

Whispyr mains sub?

[balmy condor]

Fuck, you’re right

[limber lion]

The man doesn't need the promotion

[kind talon]

Kekw

[limber lion]

He's stacked.

[azure flare]

hey whispyr sorry to bother but the sims in the pin is that with the obedience nerf?

[balmy condor]

I’ll kill you.

[azure flare]

GOT EM

[kind talon]

Yo Whispyr did u see obedience got nerfed

[velvet haven]

But does it contain the second obedience nerf yet

[hushed timber]

Its the nerf, pre nerf sims

[forest delta]

are they live on raidbots yet or asking too early?

[silent fossil]

i still can't figure out why tricks isn't increasing people's dps when i use it on them, pls help

[balmy condor]

Remember when I told you that it wasn’t

[stark smelt]

but the real question is do we still build obedience?

[balmy condor]

Like 15 minutes ago

[velvet haven]

but is it updated yet?

[halcyon zealot]

someone get this man a raise please

[velvet haven]

[forest delta]

My bad, didn't see that

[hushed timber]

nah, reroll feral

[south belfry]

What about now?

[nimble tinsel]

Yea but what about right now Whispyr

[velvet haven]

yeah like where's ur script to continueously resim until the updated one is out

smh

[nimble tinsel]

lmao

[velvet haven]

u could live stream that for content

in actuality LOL

if u had a script for that ez views

[balmy condor]

Technically possible

Would be local sims though

And that’s pain

[velvet haven]

u could farm follows and subs

ez

[nimble tinsel]

Man as soon as that hit wowhead I didn't even read the notes, I just came to this channel to watch the world burn

[fleet anchor]

Guys remember there is the bot command:

!whispyr simme <toonname>-<toonrealm>

[nimble tinsel]

I was not disappointed

[fleet anchor]

this will cause Whispyr to drop everything he is doing and sim your character for you

[balmy condor]

[velvet haven]

we need a !whispyr command

that just plugs whispyr tbh

[balmy condor]

I’m answering questions in discord right now

[hushed timber]

!whispyr simme nerfed-obedience

[balmy condor]

While eating lunch

Help

It’s like Stockholm syndrome

[south belfry]

Thats what you get paid for

[odd hazel]

@balmy condor please sim me

[shadow quail]

About to get my first Assassination legendary item as Night Fae, should I go for Doomblade on Cloak?

[olive peak]

Sorry if the was brought up before , the silys aren't updated with the obi nerf yet right ?

[hushed timber]

Whatever makes you feel fabulous

[odd hazel]

yes

[azure bronze]

they are in the pins

[hushed timber]

Ask Whispyr

[azure bronze]

Did a new build get pushed to nightly ;o?

[tidal gorge]

I can't tell if people are trolling or not anymore

[hushed timber]

Life is a sim

[south belfry]

Thats the best part

[balmy condor]

No

[cerulean nest]

still going obedience, fuck the haters

[silent fossil]

90% of this channel is trolling and most of us are regulars or regular lurkers

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

7,256 in patchwerk

[odd hazel]

6.3 close enough

[velvet haven]

pumper

[balmy condor]

Sorry misclick, 6,256

[azure bronze]

Somehow raidbots is telling me that 239 decanter of endless howling is a dps upgrade when I sim did earlier was more dps with 226 phial/hateful chain

[balmy condor]

Did you change gear

[azure bronze]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wLKNNPyDo2pNYy6NersRR3 vs

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wjU5V4v3oTFaeYU8Ryy5yJ

only change is the trinket and a few enchants

[velvet haven]

that's one thicc rogue

[bright hazel]

But still obedience is the best choice overall for both single target and aoe

If I don’t have any legendary

[balmy condor]

Interesting yeah idk

[bright hazel]

No ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[oak sky]

venthyr is still better in dungeons

[bright hazel]

Then I will craft obedience next week and if they will nerf it again I will delete my rogue

[kind talon]

Lmao

[oak sky]

they arent nerfing it again

[odd hazel]

tbh

im not even sure what they'd nerf

if they did

[oak sky]

this was their nerf

[odd hazel]

half the CD reduction?

[oak sky]

yeah

this was the nerf that made sense

[odd hazel]

im surprised

they didnt just DESTROY IT

like they usually do with nerfs

[bright hazel]

I think they will

[tidal gorge]

Ban hammer too big and heavy. ONLY SMASH.

[south belfry]

They nerfed it exactly how everyone here said they would lol

[gloomy epoch]

so it's still good enough?

[potent dagger]

i think it's still competitive

[bright hazel]

[old nest]

whats the best endurance conduits for necro

[south belfry]

Only reason i hate obedience nerf is that now i have to think what do i want to focus more on m+

sub or assa

Am not an enjoyer

[odd hazel]

i enjoy the feeling of sin in M+

[south belfry]

I like it was well, i feel im shit with it tho

[odd hazel]

what do you have issues with?

[south belfry]

I get kind of overwhelmed at what to do after 4x garrote, CT and then try and start putting on some ruptures

[odd hazel]

do 4 garrotes, SnD, FoK to get CT rolling, then spam FoK to get 2-3 Ruptures rolling then just spam FoK to dump evenoms

[south belfry]

Do you reapply garrotes

[odd hazel]

then just refresh bleeds as needed while building with FOK and dumping with evenom to refresh SnD

[balmy condor]

biting tongue

[odd hazel]

what did i say whispyr

WHAT DID I SAY WRONG

[south belfry]

Reapply garrote when all the empowered ones are done?

[solid venture]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ey7GpooeTKKijVoBCKPVjD never thought deeper / bs would be a dps loss

[half moat]

There is a rogue "wingsoflight" I believe who plays sin in m+ has some vids out.

[odd hazel]

Would you rather build with Mut then?

is that waht i said wrong?

[balmy condor]

You only envenom if everything is ruptured, or you need to refresh slice

[odd hazel]

Fair, im just always afraid of losing SnD lmao

but yeaqh, that would be a better thing to do

[south belfry]

No matter how many targets i i should try keeping snd up?

Thinking of like situation in DoS Ardenweald, where you do big pull and stun alot of them with the NF urn

[balmy condor]

Envenom to refresh slice > refreshing ct on 3+ target > refreshing rupture > refreshing ct on 1-2 target > envenom

Need to specify refreshing ct before people go out with the SPAM CT GOOD?

[scenic root]

For sub you drop SnD at like 8 target's, don't think we drop SnD for sin though.

[balmy condor]

Yeah not worth dropping on sin

[chrome widget]

I feel like sub probably gets nerfed again because.. Pvp

[scenic root]

Also pretty easy to maintain in aoe

[chrome widget]

Sub is fun though I hope not

[odd hazel]

tbh i just know blizz hates sub

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^^

Blizzard is a Warlock/Paladin main

[silent fossil]

one of the new devs is balance obv

[chrome widget]

I mean tbf.. Balance is actually fun with sinful hysteria

Like fun to play

It takes some brain power, a little bit anyway

[jaunty goblet]

They think when we tell them we want better balancing that we want Balance druid to be stronger :/

[chrome widget]

Lol

[dusty garden]

Yo, i played assass to like 2,8k last season, u can write to me if u have questions

otherwise whispyr is always on point

[south belfry]

I appreciate it

[odd hazel]

lol what

[strange python]

well... i fucked up today bois

went to oribos to start the quest chain to swap to necro just in case
turns out you get one free covenant swap and i instantly got back to necro and have to start the venthyr swap quest thing again

F

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Rogue discord >other class discords

[silent fossil]

just stay bone daddy

[dusty garden]

just trying to help my boy

[south belfry]

I only started in 9.0.5 so i guess i gotta get more used to it. Also only have doomblade as lege so it doesnt really help in m+

[chrome widget]

The venth and Rogue aesthetic just go well together

[odd hazel]

❤️ was amazed

[dusty garden]

no outlaw gang

[dull kindle]

Is venthyr still bis for raiding as sin after the obedience nerf?

[half moat]

@strange python thats how I accidently ended up Kyrian on my mage.. the night before reset

Fresh Kyrian btw.. no renown

[strange python]

that's so unlucky

[silent breach]

im thinking really hard if i got necro now

[dusty garden]

doomblade is okay but it does lose almost all value in big pulls. Its very good in top and pf

[strange python]

i mean going necro isn't that big of a difference dmg wise

[dusty garden]

but you wont run it in plaguefall anymore i think

[strange python]

but still i wasn't prepared to get the swap instantly 😄 just wanted to sit on my quest completion

[half moat]

yeah lol

[south belfry]

Yah im debating if i want to wait for obedience or just make zoldycks.

[chrome widget]

Just make both 😊

[dusty garden]

I would wait for obedience for sure

[ebon bramble]

obedience seems to be the most versatile of our legendaries now

im liking this

and useful for sub too! thanks blizz

[south belfry]

Yeah i guess ill wait for obedience then

[ebon bramble]

when can we get obedience? next week?

[south belfry]

Next week

[manic harness]

Isn't Obedience a bit harder to use than Doomblade?

[terse ice]

when raiding is my main focus and i like sin the most, should i go venthyr? or can i stay necrolord? (mythic raider)

[limber lion]

Either is fine honestly.

[limber lion]

Not really.

[silent breach]

i think most fights in the raid suit necro playstyle better

[ebon bramble]

i mean nothing is easier than doomblade, it's literally passive damage

[dusty garden]

I would not make zoldyck due to the fact that it feels very bad on tyrannical weeks. Assass with zoldyck is pretty nice because you have a good amount of damage rolling at the end of pulls, but if u run lower keys/tyrannical most pulls will be covered by other classes CDs

and zoldyck is not a very good legendary for meaty bosses on tyrannical week

[manic harness]

I know Obedience was a mile ahead but even as close as it is, I feel like it's versatility in AOE pulls makes it stronger. 39 DPS in sims really is nothing.

[south belfry]

Sorry, whats your characters name?

[tribal marlin]

The damage pattern is good yes. Having that additionnal Flag between Vendetta is good.

Also the sim is 5mn patchwerk. Maybe over 4mn it's different

[green peak]

So I got the non-ideal +mastery domination boots and the Frost Shard gem last night in SoD. Should I worry about saving gems for better equipment?

[dusty garden]

Vgx-Kazzak

[loud trench]

bloodmallet has Skulkers<Secret Techniques for patchwork, my single target sim has Skulkers>. Is secret techniques just better for say something like the nine with 2 target cleave?

[tribal marlin]

Secret Techniques is a #subtlety talent and a dead talent anyway

[loud trench]

the trinket

from the last boss HM Tarvaesh

the 233

[dusky vault]

I believe you can unsocket the gems at higher rep levels but I'm not 100% certain

[ebon tundra]

You can do it now from bonesmith heimer in korthia

2500 stygia cost

[green peak]

I see

[azure bronze]

Its a one time buy as well the item

You can reuse it

[green peak]

Oh nice

[ebon tundra]

Ah! didnt know that

was expecting to have to buy them every time

[green peak]

Do the gems retain their “levels” ?

[dusky vault]

Thats great

[obtuse robin]

where do you check in logs how many stacks of flag u get

[azure bronze]

Yeah you just yoink out the gem nothing else

[reef axle]

Do we still have our free cov switch 🤔?

[dusty garden]

Yeah i think so

But only one as i understand it

[reef axle]

With that minimal change, I’m thinking necro cleave it back 🤔

[green peak]

The mastery shard boots are simming at a -0.2% DPS lost.

[wild beacon]

thanks for updating sims so quickly Whispyr 🥂

[reef axle]

I’m actually curious if whispyr is staying venth or goin back necro now 😂

[azure bronze]

Dunno I feel like the majority of the raid is St focused a lot but some of the fights have bad overlaps for flag without obedience leggo

Like painsmith, it went up for intermisson when my flag came off CD

[winged basin]

I can’t speak for the 2nd half of the raid, but for a “ST focused” raid sure does feel like theirs a massive amount of add cleave every fight

[green peak]

Whoa Doomblade is simming higher than Obedience in single target?

[reef axle]

https://tenor.com/view/big-bang-theroy-stressed-hyperventilating-gif-5526672

Community rn?

[green nacelle]

I mean

He clearly checked the pins

[dusty garden]

nah, u should check warrior community

[green nacelle]

If he saw doomblade outsimming obedience

😂

[dusty garden]

True, misunderstood

[wild beacon]

yeah warrior community is on right now

[azure bronze]

I mean only true cleave I've experienced so far are the nine and eye of the jailer. The adds on other bosses just get blown up by boomies /mages/ele shams /dhs in my guild

[green nacelle]

Warrior community is always dramatic

[halcyon zealot]

warrior community is in fact in shambles today also lol

[indigo mulch]

Everyone here was atleast ready for the obe nerfs 😄

[south belfry]

@dusty garden Do you have different gear pieces for m+ and raid, as it looks like sin m+ and raid stat prios are kind of flipped up

[dusty garden]

I do, but gearing for m+ assass in 9.0 was awful. Very few pieces had Crit/mastery and due to how important crit is u had to chose crit/haste or crit/vers for many slots

I have not looked in to it that much this patch but it could be the same

[south belfry]

I'm 223 ilvl but my itemization is so weird. 25% crit, 23% haste, 31% mastery 6% vers

[dusty garden]

You probably want to do everything you can to get more crit

Crit is mandatory, the others have their respective strengths and weakness

More crit = more CP = less FoK

I ran with ~37%crit ~13% haste and like 0 mastery(not by choice)

[south belfry]

Must have had crazy amount of vers

[dusty garden]

about 13-15 %

[south belfry]

Yeah vers helps too lol

But i guess i gotta get more used to the priorities in m+ to perform better

[dusty garden]

yeah, haste is ok because its good on single target(prides/bosses), mastery is very good aoe and vers is pretty bad on both but provides defence

[south belfry]

Been doing really low overall

[dusty garden]

are you venthyr or necro?

[south belfry]

I'm mostly trying to focus on raid right now but want to get more into m+

Venthyr

[opaque tree]

wow.. just the nerf. Why does blizzard do this shit. sigh

[errant plover]

It's great, closer to other covs, let's me not have to Venthyr, gj blizzard.

[dusty garden]

Priority is as whispyr wrote earlier

[south belfry]

Yeah i saved it.

[dusty garden]

opener i would do, 3x garrote -> FoK -> CT (IF u have slice up from previous pull)

otherwise use slice first, then fok to 4+ and CT

[loud trench]

What secondary stat class should I be prioritizing with the secret technique trinket from HM trav? Haste/crit? I’m assuming frost mage or another haste based class?

[deft wagon]

Checked the pins, im bad at reading lol, still crafting obedience right?=

[azure bronze]

do a stat sim with your current gear and see what pops up

[fleet anchor]

Yes

Changes should be on raidbots now

[halcyon zealot]

it’s still a good leggo, more optional than mandatory now but still worth a craft

[dusty garden]

You should probably wait and check pins after reset, but it looks promising

[deft wagon]

yeah okay i will.

[dusty garden]

thats not his question

[azure bronze]

ah sorry I misread that

[fleet anchor]

@balmy condor can be free

[azure bronze]

hmm locks prob want crit/haste, ele shamans

[fleet anchor]

Revert to mode

[echo jay]

So obedience seems so close now that if I play sub as well then obedience still seems thr play yeah?

[fleet anchor]

Yes probably

[balmy condor]

you mean it's time to sim more

[chrome widget]

Moar sims, yaass

😊

Thanks Whispyr =)

[dusty garden]

Thanks Whispyr

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What comp did you play last season

[timid talon]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

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VG

[dusty garden]

Started pushing with my current group very late, like only last week which was not a good push week. We ran Brewmaster, Hpal, Spriest, Fmage, Assass

[timid talon]

@balmy condor

[dusty garden]

Before that we played Protwar, Hpal, Spriest, Elesham, assass.

[timid talon]

could you send me a log with the pb bug?

[glass tulip]

Has anyone been able to sim the nerfed Obedience leggo? Will it still be best in slot?

[turbid marlin]

check pins...

[glass tulip]

thanks!

[neon sequoia]

is back slot the best for leggo?