assassination

[balmy condor]

Nothing’s happened

Only if you play doomblade

[odd hazel]

i just got a 226 of it.

dont have 226 of WPS yet

[balmy condor]

You’ve been around long enough king

What am I gonna say

[limber lion]

Huh?

[austere gorge]

which should I follow between skulker wing and quantum device?, . raidbot sim or the guide from pin?

[limber lion]

I wouldn't recommend Dauntless for m+

You'd just play Theotar tbh

or Nadja with triple

[balmy condor]

Always personal sims over everything

[austere gorge]

using Raidbots, skulker wings output is more higher..

[odd hazel]

#SimItKing

[austere gorge]

ok. noted. thank you

[balmy condor]

So true

[odd hazel]

How are you liking hte raid so far? @limber lion @balmy condor

[odd hazel]

Praise be the phrase

[final sky]

what missives for doomblade i forgot

[odd hazel]

crit/haste

[final sky]

ok ty

[odd hazel]

or crit/vers if you plan to play sub

[final sky]

nah

[terse ice]

bloodmallet shows that venthyr is about 1k dps higher in singletarget than necro, is this real? thats about 10% dps

[odd hazel]

with obedience im sure it is

it shouldnt be the far ahead with just doom

[void pecan]

New raid is fun

Frustratingly long fights sometimes, but I raid with grey parsers 🙂

[odd hazel]

I feel ya there.

i love my raid team but they arent the greatest sometimes

[slow marsh]

I'm doing normal tonight heroic tomorrow/sat

[odd hazel]

same, i start raid tomorrow/saturday

[slow marsh]

We shall see how it fares

[void pecan]

So far all the bosses are neat mechanically

[thorn crater]

Painsmith is fucking rough

[limber lion]

Most of the bosses are very, very easy. But there are a few that are a bit rough. It's a good mix. Nothing too too exciting to be honest.

[worn geyser]

A lot of players on logs are going EP over BS for ST, is there a specific reason for this? Though BS was supposed to be bes

[runic basin]

is vent bis also without vent lego ?

[delicate bone]

i wish all of heroic was on the level of painsmith and not just one hard 6th boss lol

[odd hazel]

some people just prefer EP, its not a huge difference in damage plus higher stats will favor it im sure

[worn geyser]

Alright thanks

[odd hazel]

in ST yeah, necro is still top for M+ right now i believe.

[harsh anchor]

I like getting a BS proc. Little hits of dopamine every proc

[delicate bone]

hard content is fun

[spice spire]

Why you gotta strim on a day with 70+ patients king? You already know I’m there tho

[limber lion]

That's why we do mythic.

[delicate bone]

cant lmfao

well yea next week thats the plan

heroic should still not be a cakewalk

[balmy condor]

I really like it

[delicate bone]

the first 5 are way too easy

we shouldnt be able to go in at 226 and wipe the floor

[fading adder]

theyre not designed for you

[rustic whale]

Venthyr - Obedience: Versatility granted reduced to 0.5% per stack of Flagellation (was 1% per stack).

they are hating us

its quite obvious

[harsh anchor]

Perhaps from your POV. Still meaningful to some players who prog AOTC for the patch

[delicate bone]

well yea, im saying that i personally would like it to be more difficult

[final sky]

usually in raid i just do my usual rotation of keep all ur bleeds up and if u can fit an envenom in before one runs out do it, is there anything different with doomblade cause ive been using zoldyck im nerco if it makes a difference

[harsh anchor]

Granted I will say, pain smith is baller.

[solid venture]

?

[rustic whale]

covenant nerf

up on blizz

[solid venture]

where do you see that

[rustic whale]

website

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/covenant-legendary-tuning/295849

[delicate bone]

i mean people are killing painsmith lol

[solid venture]

[rustic whale]

what now :d

going back to Necrolord again?

[solid venture]

sub nerds in shambles

[spice spire]

Venthyr abusers in shambles

It me

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spice spire]

I’m in shambles

[fallow glacier]

[leaden turret]

Obed nerfed

sadge

[fresh kernel]

like the .5% reduction still wont change much, it will still be top contender will it not?

[proven moth]

wait the sims

[void pecan]

@balmy condor Help! We're lost!

[daring pebble]

panic ensues

[gusty mirage]

the vers wasn't the only reason obedience was strong guys

lol

[harsh anchor]

Everybody panic QUICK

[nocturne geode]

mom dad i dont know what to do

[fading adder]

its probably dead in the water.

[loud light]

blizzard was that really the night fae change they needed?

[nocturne geode]

the wrold doenst make sense anymore

world*

[onyx wind]

rip obedience man

[spice spire]

I don’t know if that’s completely true there chief

But

Unlucky

[balmy condor]

[proven moth]

They need to nerf sub to things return as it should be

[gusty mirage]

everyone freaking out about obedience being slightly nerfed

[delicate bone]

yea, should be fine

[gusty mirage]

and not talking about the fae stonks of toxic onslaught being buffed

[fleet moat]

slightly? that cut it in half lmao

[nocturne geode]

the sky is falling

RIP rogue

[gusty mirage]

the vers wasn't what made it strong?

[spice spire]

Back to the basement, whispyr

[strange python]

sooo ? lets go necro ?

[delicate bone]

that cut the vers in half? not the cd reduction lmfaooooooo

[gusty mirage]

the CDR made it giga

[balmy condor]

remember when obedience was really good for sub, and then it skyrocketed?

that version of obedience before it got fixed in sims, was worse than this

[slow marsh]

you still have the most important part untouched

[delicate bone]

its funny when people see something nerfed even a bit they freak out when they didnt even know why it was strong in the first place

[harsh anchor]

That’s why I only speak in fluent

[fleet moat]

w/e ill just wait for sims but that does suck

[balmy condor]

Obedience gonna be fine, calm down please

[odd hazel]

its not even that bad of a nerf

[spice spire]

Lmfao

[azure bronze]

but did they buff the druid venthyr legendary ?

[grim tangle]

OBEDIENCE RUINED

[rustic whale]

doomsday came!

[odd heath]

Will probably still be bis, but not by so much

[leaden turret]

LMFAO the pin

[empty hinge]

can't find the panick button

[neon cloak]

[gusty mirage]

they buffed toxic onslaught and everyone's ignoring it still. Poor Fae rogues

[frosty bridge]

xD

[onyx wind]

is it better than doomblade tho

[odd hazel]

it wasnt even the reason it was strong @odd heath

[onyx wind]

thats what matters

[shut garnet]

is it just me thats more triggered at the lack of boomie nerfs than obedience being touched

[frosty bridge]

Yeah, this tbh

We will get sims soon I guess

[slow marsh]

probs

more flag means more haste

[onyx wind]

boomies need buffs theyre weak ;)

[fleet moat]

boomies OP even though they cried for buffs

[balmy condor]

let me get a fucking drink I'll sim it

[azure bronze]

blame sepsis being shit

[balmy condor]

fuck this generation and our collective anxiety

bunch of therapy ass losers

[gusty mirage]

[fleet moat]

D:

[shut garnet]

ZOOM

[frosty bridge]

Kek

Can you do Sub sims toooo plssss

[gusty mirage]

wow I'm getting shamed for needing therapy

[balmy condor]

take your meds zoom boy

[zealous marsh]

Don't sim it get drink and watch people panic

[bright hazel]

New wowhead article nerf at obidience

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Don’t ever doubt the prophet

[zealous marsh]

[orchid cloud]

xdddddddddd

[spice spire]

The bringer of stats

[onyx wind]

no fucking way

obedience = nerfed?

[proven moth]

Not all have the money to afford a therapyst Whispyr, a lil bit of empathy pl0x

[gusty mirage]

y'all actually have healthcare?

[slow marsh]

tbh i was more worried they would nerf the cd reduction

[onyx wind]

obedience has to be better for my sanity

[slow marsh]

the vers in half is meh

[onyx wind]

i dont wanna delete my doomblade yet

[gusty mirage]

@slow marsh yeah cdr nerf would've been so gross

[frosty bridge]

Well

[slow marsh]

cdr nerf would've killed it for sure

[delicate bone]

you guys are fucking psychopaths lmfao

[frosty bridge]

The vers is less important for us than Sub

[slow marsh]

this just makes it best all around

but slightly

as opposed to 600dps

[odd hazel]

yall

are fucking wild

[onyx wind]

we take that as a compliment

[odd hazel]

nah just calm down

[ivory breach]

it's been an amazing 30s watching the melt down lol

[limber lion]

Ya'll are fucking crazy, let me tell ya

[zealous marsh]

Guys go Year of the Spear

[fresh kernel]

bunch of chickens(the sky is falling)

[proven moth]

I'm more a sociopath

that's why I play rogue

[teal bloom]

Brb rerolling feral druid

[slow marsh]

if you guys wouldn't mind rerolling that'd be cool

[sturdy stirrup]

when sim

[nimble tinsel]

Man I just want a live camera view of all of the CF's in this discord as soon as the wowhead article went up lmao

[forest delta]

meanwhile...

[opaque creek]

[wispy plaza]

@onyx wind

[gusty mirage]

I'm just curious how everyone in here was so worried about a nerf for the last 2 weeks

[topaz minnow]

hmmm... is it time to go back to necro?

[gusty mirage]

is somehow panicking

even though you all freaked out about a possible nerf for like ever

[fleet anchor]

lol increasing the duration from 8s to 12s takes it from the worst legendary in the game to almost not the worst legendary in the game

[winged basin]

hey, I feel attacked by this, I need you to apologize right now

[sonic schooner]

Obedience

[gusty mirage]

That's what we call progress Koji

[sonic schooner]

[proven moth]

I was waiting a nerf to put sub back into trash can and laugh on main subs

[frosty bridge]

Funny is how we thought we would be good anyway before Obedience became the play :P

[fleet anchor]

Toxic Onslaught is almost unsalvageable

[gusty mirage]

right up there with maw rattle now @fleet anchor #blessed

[frosty bridge]

And now its paniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiic

[fleet anchor]

It's just garbage

[onyx wind]

hi baby

[plain thistle]

[loud brook]

I hated the fae ability so much. I hated having an unempowered stealth ability

[fickle herald]

I think the play is to make everything look garbage on sims, so they dont nerf us :^)

[scarlet warren]

so is obedience still bis if ur venthyr? i assume it is right?

[sour wraith]

"Using the stealth ability gives you Adrenaline Rush, Vendetta, and Shadowblades at 50% effectiveness" ?

[plain thistle]

they really didnt nerf balance druid venthyr legendary?

[sonic schooner]

yea must be

[safe barn]

@fleet anchor used your buddy's guidance to play some fights

[shy nest]

is So'leah's Secret Technique 233 worth more then a phial 220 for st?

[safe barn]

it all went well

[sonic schooner]

by far @scarlet warren

but wait for new sims

[scarlet warren]

ok, ty!

[loud brook]

the cdr is what I figured made it nuts as it aligned better with vendetta and vanish

[fleet anchor]

Obedience is almost certainly still BiS because the value isn't really being halved. The CDR is still unchanged

[sonic schooner]

Whisp gonna once again provide us big 5head numbers soon and noone will look at it as always

😔

[ebon patio]

The level of drama this discord has could be easily used for a tv show 😂

[misty bough]

this is so stupid

[fleet anchor]

It is probably close to Doomblade though

[loud brook]

YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER

[winged basin]

twitch.tv/whispyrttv

[sonic schooner]

^

[fleet anchor]

There's no way to sim this with an override though, I'll have to make code changes

[lethal heart]

@marble hemlock

what legendary do i play

[tribal marlin]

no override spell data done yet :D?

ok ok

[loud brook]

that sounds like alot of work. I pray that your coffees taste grand and your days be kind to you for doing that

[winged basin]

Guys guys it’ll be fine. I am almost positive with this nerf obedience will still be better. DONT QUOTE MY THOUGHTS IM A

[rancid bobcat]

Inc cdr nerf

[elder gulch]

Vampire boys pepelaugh

[winged basin]

HUSH

[onyx wind]

Thanks man

[oak sky]

I knew this was the nerf they would do

[balmy condor]

do you know where? I'm hunting a little

[tribal marlin]

there won't be another nerf

[marble hemlock]

[half moat]

I mean..we all know obedience needed nerfed.. sky isn'

[rancid bobcat]

Proof?

[half moat]

sky isn't falling

[oak sky]

Breath fellas

[loud brook]

inb4 blizz makes it so the crit legendary is bis

[plain thistle]

quick guys, reroll hunter

[lethal heart]

@marble hemlocki jus realised you'd tell me to craft w/e necrolord specific leggo

[oak sky]

[hazy yarrow]

Toxic Onslaught to the moon

[safe barn]

the year of the spear

[loud brook]

Never. I'd rather play frost mage

[onyx wind]

vitality sacrifice new bis

[dry void]

surv hunter or pussy

[sturdy stirrup]

no pls

[safe barn]

quick guys do like 9.0

reroll monk

[fleet anchor]

I'm just going to change it in code now. There's no reason to really have the "base" version in sims since it's not available

[spice spire]

Year of the deer king

[onyx wind]

overlap soaks on sylvanas = vitality sacrifice bis

[spice spire]

NF only

[balmy condor]

sure, lemme know when I can run the world of sims

[fleet anchor]

15 mins or so probably

[sonic schooner]

U already run the world of sims

🙏

[balmy condor]

sure sure

[proven moth]

rerolling to DH

[loud brook]

I feel like a schmuck for not running blindside/master assassin, but I feel like I get more use out of elaborate planning/subterfuge

[ebon patio]

While you guys korean drama the shit out of this nerf..
Moral question, would you sacrifice like 70 dps for the ability to switch between specs and not having to go back to the sanctum, change conduits and all that stuff? (I've been raiding as both law and assa)
Heimir sims better both for outlaw and sin, but Mari sims -70 as Assa. Thoughts?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9HtPMPM1j4e8hYMxU7GUPh

[loud brook]

this tier no matter what I'll be getting cutting edge. I had to tap out in the last patch of bfa on nzoth, but I'm not gonna do that again

[nimble light]

Is it worth rerolling my covenant to Venthyr and starting from scratch? Or should I just stick with Necro at this point? (I only just came back to rogue and just finished catching up my renown again.)

[gusty mirage]

70 dps isn't exactly a ridiculous amount

[placid cobalt]

is there any words on the extent of the obedience nerf?

[gusty mirage]

so I've done it before for convenience purposes since conduit energy has to be a thing

[gusty mirage]

vers cut in half, rest is the same. it's fine

[cinder drum]

Venthyr - Obedience: Versatility granted reduced to 0.5% per stack of Flagellation (was 1% per stack).

[loud brook]

on a 5 minute fight, 70 dps is worth about 21000 damage total

[sour wraith]

If you're doing this make sure you consider where you're using each spec though. If you're using assassin for st/low cleave and outlaw for aoe type fights it's probably better to compare differences of losses between assassin st and outlaw dungeonslice

[half moat]

As someone who plays multiple specs/roles on multiple toons a 70dps loss would mean very little compared to the time flying to and from that awefule soulforge shit

[primal turret]

its a 1% so unless you are a high level player, id do it

[cinder drum]

i think givin that vers is our 3rd best stat i think we are fine

[loud brook]

the numbers are super small, but the damage always adds up, even at 1%

[stark heart]

any chance for cli dropped somewhere?

[cinder drum]

what makes Obedience great is the CD reduction?

[placid cobalt]

yeah ive read the tooltip i meant if we knew anything numerically sim wise

[placid adder]

where the venth bois at

[dreamy axle]

ez fix for you make 12 rouges so you can play each spec and coven and never loose dps

[brisk orchid]

[cinder drum]

venthry FTW

[loud brook]

truuuuu

[fleet anchor]

We can ask Seri for a rebuild probably if needed

[stark heart]

on mimiron?

[vernal adder]

next patch will fix it in 10months (didnt read anything)

[sharp oak]

with the tuning to Obedience will it still be better then Doomblade?

[placid adder]

prob be closer

[sharp oak]

for venthr rogues

[placid adder]

id think

[sharp oak]

guess ill wait for sims to update.

[strange python]

https://www.twitch.tv/whispyrttv

[fast nacelle]

so the wowhead guide says if using master assassin, to open from stealth with mutilate. Why not ambush?

[thin trout]

HAPL GOT NERF

[placid adder]

death to obi

hahaha

[cinder drum]

honestly they didn't touch the CD reduction so i should be fine

[thin trout]

WHY TEY DO THIS

[median birch]

more combo points

[stark heart]

@balmy condor https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/0d7bf2493296c4bf44ce4cc252569b5fe50ed972/engine/class_modules/sc_rogue.cpp#L6443
think it's here

[cerulean nest]

can we shadowstep through the balls on painsmith?

[hollow talon]

yes

[south hollow]

Do we want to use sharpening stones and agi pot or oil and oil pot?

[forest delta]

so how many of u guys going back to necro ?

[solid venture]

necro boi since day 1

[smoky basin]

this chat:

[solid venture]

never switching

[placid adder]

lmaoo

[harsh anchor]

If you mean shadow step the actual balls, no. You get blasted

[north basin]

HAHAHAH so i was super patient with necrolords.

still undead!

[loud brook]

I will not go necro until it beats venthyr uncategorically

[cinder drum]

Venthyr forever

[thin trout]

well there goes fucking 40k anima i spent into evrey building for venthyr and all the shitty mobs i've leveled the past months

[loud brook]

as long as I dont have to go fae again, I'll be happy

[main wharf]

I will never swap off of venthyr

[fair void]

Can someone explain to me why i'm losing dps in raid? I don't waste cp, i don't overcap energy, i know my rotation, i refresh garrote and rupture without problems, but still i lose dps on bosses and get green ranks

[fast nacelle]

@median birch they both give 2 combo points if not crit, and 3 if crit, no?

[wild swallow]

Seems to be a lot of vampy bois in here

[loud brook]

link your logs

[median birch]

Mut gives 4 if both attacks crit

[bleak sun]

Vampy rules btw

[thin trout]

looks like im going back to kyrian 😢

[cinder drum]

ewwwww kyrian

[sharp oak]

yea ew why

[fast nacelle]

@median birch oh, I see. Thanks!

[loud brook]

I agree with the ew sentiment

[median birch]

No Problem!

[thin trout]

kyrian has Bluether thats why

[sick cairn]

my raid is going to happen this weekend, anyone know if its better to stay necro atm or go venthyr for the raid?

[bleak sun]

Anyone know how many %dmg is lashing scar 252 ?

[south hollow]

Guys do we want to use Shadowcare Oil or Sharpening Stone for single target?

[cinder drum]

Venthyr has theotar

[south hollow]

Guides say different things

[bleak sun]

Using shadowcore +phantom fire brrr

[cinder drum]

theotar is the best character in SL

[sturdy merlin]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[sick cairn]

I'm going to be attempting the raid with my group this weekend, I will be attending as an assa rogue, anyone know if staying necro is still the play or is it better to go venthyr for the raid, i can't decide

[mossy mulch]

and what about NF?

15 secs buff now

[tired vessel]

It's almost like it's in the pins.

[sick cairn]

is it the sim in the pins?

[tired vessel]

Dmg to balls counts as padding in parses. #notworth

[primal turret]

Doomblade is on the back right?

[sick cairn]

arent those at like max renown?

[wintry terrace]

If you are already venthyr, it's not like the obedience nerf affects you anyways as you don't have it. Just stay venthyr, figure out what you wanna do next week.

[thorn crater]

Yes @primal turret

[rapid yew]

I don't see Obedience staying on top for sims, you're losing like 12% vers during a burst window - more than enough to put Doomblade and Zoldycks back on top for ST/Dslice IMO

[shut garnet]

versatility isnt what made obedience good, especially for assarogue

just wiat for the sims

[primal turret]

Im glad I can still play necro, i find sbs really fun

[thorn crater]

Vers was not why it was good

[rapid yew]

Its not what made it good but its what put it over the top of the competing leggos

[fleet anchor]

We got a big alert in this channel.

[wintry terrace]

Yeah, sbs is really fun to play.

[plush ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/panic-spongebob-patrick-scared-running-gif-7888576

[fleet anchor]

Howabout people just wait 20 minutes for proper sims instead of using their time for wild speculation? 🙂

[fast nacelle]

finally someone else that calls it ass rogue like I do

[fleet anchor]

Go do some dailies or something lol

[placid adder]

sims are already out

[gusty mirage]

do we have a special button to make it stop? lol

[placid adder]

obi 3rd best now

[rapid yew]

Called it :^)

[delicate bone]

they arent tho

[hollow talon]

maw rattle back on the menu bois?

[gusty mirage]

no maw rattle buff wtf blizz

[dapper solar]

this was actually a buff

[placid adder]

just saw on whyspers @delicate bone

[forest delta]

they are speculations from older sims

[delicate bone]

no you didnt

those are old sims

from before the buff

[fleet anchor]

There will be a proper build soon.

[shell belfry]

is necro okay for assassination or should i switch to venryth ??

[placid adder]

ahhhh

kk i dumb

[thorn crater]

We know

[cobalt pelican]

the legendary isn't even out

[forest delta]

He just said go Doomblade on sinm but still

[cobalt pelican]

why are people rushing

for like

[forest delta]

Lets wait

[cobalt pelican]

answers now

[placid adder]

dont be mad u switched for no reason @thorn crater

[cobalt pelican]

just log off for a few hours and come back

nerds

[gusty mirage]

because people love to freak out over nothing

[wintry terrace]

they are both good

[forest shoal]

most ppl won't notice the difference anyway

[plush ferry]

really disappointed they didnt nerf obedience 1 week after we already crafted it

[onyx wind]

How can you notice the difference when you didnt try unnerfed version

Please explain

[strange python]

This is the end of the world

[tribal marlin]

Pretty sure if Obedience remains close to Doomblade we'll play it as Assa for coveniance

[wintry terrace]

I was expecting this haha. Glad its done now so we can see what it will be like with sims before crafting.

[tribal marlin]

much more valuable to have it on a ~1mn cd

than just 50 or 100 dps

[halcyon zealot]

how can you notice the difference in a change on something that doesn’t exist in the previous form

[delicate bone]

i mean even without obedience, venthyr is still the best so im confused

[strange python]

So is obedience bis for venthyr rouge..same as sub?

[onyx wind]

If we play obedience, we cant argue for priests to give us NF buff

[tribal marlin]

wait

[tired vessel]

It was 🤣

[onyx wind]

so its good they nerfed it

[cobalt pelican]

venthyr will always win out in st sims just from lashing/dauntless

it's just by how much

[simple wadi]

you are seeing in real time why its bad to yell fire in a movie theater

[obsidian ruin]

i might vomit from crying rn

[rapid yew]

I'll wait for sims but even at 20 stacks it comes out to losing far more than 50-100 DPS from the lost vers

[nocturne geode]

https://tenor.com/view/technically-hes-been-nerfed-goremiser-william-newberry-smite-ineffective-gif-17355762

[somber hill]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-office-spongebob-on-fire-gif-13729593

[delicate bone]

lolol right dude, its crazy

[nocturne geode]

https://tenor.com/view/semi-pro-pro-basketball-comedy-will-ferrell-gif-8057991

[delicate bone]

are you aware, that the lego gave it cdr?

[rapid yew]

People keep acting like the CDR alone is what made it #1, its not.

[cobalt pelican]

maybe stop talking so confidently when you're dumb as a rock

[main wharf]

i thought that was the reason why

[tiny ember]

It was a honor bois to be on the hype train with you

[strange python]

Dont worry fellas next expac..we will all forget about this borrowed power

[forest delta]

everyone right now..

[echo mantle]

https://clips.twitch.tv/OutstandingPoliteDumplingsFrankerZ-24A6p16Buzj6OPs9

Im sending this to my rogue friends who are freaking out. Thanks Whispyr lol.

[strange python]

Let's just all be ninjas in Ff14 before it gets worse..lol

[nocturne geode]

based clip

[somber hill]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-leaving-walk-out-walk-away-gif-12008922

[tired vessel]

Me waiting for the sims wondering what class in FFXIV I should main

[somber hill]

Venthyr rogues on wayt to necro^

[ebon thorn]

is there a haste cap

or something

im at like 29 now with 30 crit and 8vers

[echo mantle]

I have every job in 14 up to entry to SHB content. 😂 NIN is not rogue. Its Naruto.

[shy dust]

Just sim your gear

[ebon thorn]

tells me these are bis

[shy dust]

There isnt an amount of a stat to aim for

[visual sequoia]

i like samurai, but i feel like nothing in ff14 is near rogue

[narrow palm]

!sim

[echo mantle]

I main SAM atm. Im keeping my eye on Reaper tho..

[fading vigil]

Not sure about all the jokes about necro?

What did I miss :(?

[loud brook]

ninja is fun

[outer arrow]

when can we panik

[strange python]

I main ninja dont enjoy Sam playstyle

[outer arrow]

[strange python]

The mudra mechanic is fun tho

[loud brook]

we already panicked, but whispyr soothed us https://clips.twitch.tv/PiercingFaithfulDogeRlyTho-GvInWBq0WTY1Nqac

[subtle tundra]

noOOO he shiv'd me NOOOOO

[forest delta]

https://tenor.com/view/the-muppets-kermit-the-frog-smh-shake-my-head-no-gif-4883582

[visual sequoia]

only have lvl 30 rogue in ff14 atm, ninja looks interesting

[strange python]

@visual sequoia wait.. u can literally unlock job at 30

[echo mantle]

NIN is fun. Recommend but its not rogue. So dont think its similar

[loud brook]

ninja is fun, but it has a big learning curve

[visual sequoia]

yea im a bit behind with job quests as rogue 😄

[timid cloud]

Take this to #wow-general Please, it's not 14.

[half oriole]

lego got nerfed yay

[spice spire]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PiercingFaithfulDogeRlyTho-GvInWBq0WTY1Nqac

[regal cape]

Realistically, the obedience nerf seems really tame.

[candid jewel]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

Yep, back to Necro

[spice spire]

Huge

[stoic needle]

[half oriole]

i guess so lol

[regal cape]

Wasn't the biggest part of the obedience lego that it makes it easier to sync the cd

[spice spire]

Mastery still bad unlucky

[echo mantle]

Friendship with Obedience ended. Now Doomblade is my bestfriend (again)

[split maple]

mmhmm

[visual sequoia]

am i doing it right if i wait till 9.2 and can play my nightfae rogue? seems possible they rebalance the covenants by then 😄 😄

[strange python]

Necro leather gear ugly asf tho

[paper cairn]

Night fae got 50% buff, tim 2 rol nf

[stoic needle]

[echo mantle]

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/D4RFZO9.png

40% CRIT TRAIN HERE WE COME

[half oriole]

cuz everyone was crying about venthyr being op

[rich wren]

i cannot wait for big crit

[regal cape]

Were they?

[strange python]

@ebon notch bump that haste bro faster bleed ticks and better energy managemet

[ebon notch]

thats why im playing vigor

[regal cape]

Dansgame

[odd heath]

Necro hype train 🚂

[fleet anchor]

Based on initial look, Obedience should be extremely close to Doomblade

[gusty mirage]

Bone brothers yet again?

[manic igloo]

so should i just make doomblade? rofl

[fleet anchor]

But Obedience will be better in AoE

[gusty mirage]

y'all running around without doomblade? smh

[strange python]

@ebon notch big part of our damage comes from bleeds tho faster it ticks faster easy damage

[dapper solar]

push it!

[stoic needle]

deathspike is still dead, why even bother living

[odd heath]

Even better than zoldycks?

[loud silo]

venthyr renown 48 leggo getting nerfed?

[spice spire]

Mood

[ebon notch]

what % should i be aiming for then, 20?

[outer arrow]

yes

[strange python]

Playing venthyr sub m+ so making obedience anyhow

[loud brook]

Is crit vers still the desired stats for our legendary?

[gusty mirage]

whatever topgear tells you to equip

[stoic needle]

you should just sim yourself

[gusty mirage]

don't chase secondaries

[ebon notch]

yeah thats why im at these stats lmao

[plucky epoch]

God forbid a melee be in top 5 dps

[forest shoal]

crit/haste lan

[loud brook]

kk

I was probably reading the wrong guide awhile ago then and got them mixed up @_@

[stoic needle]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[tiny ember]

yo bois

vent to flag?

i can't find it in the pins

[strange python]

@ebon notch just got ring from the nine in SoD.. haste went from 19 to 25%..can see the difference on my dps

[azure bronze]

So when they going to fix deadly poison bug so we can play Dashing?

[gusty mirage]

has more to do with the increase in ilvl than just the increase in haste, more secondaries because of higher ilvl on ring = more dps

[strange python]

@azure bronze blizz dev's laughing at this right now..lol

[fleet anchor]

@balmy condor changes are in. Keep in mind, this probably means we need to revisit some of the Obedience APL optimizations for both Sub and Assassination to determine if they are not negative now though.

[ebon notch]

i have the gear to push it up, didnt think i had to go above 20% tho

[stoic needle]

what deadly poison bug

[azure bronze]

!dp

!deadly

uh what's the command again

[fleet anchor]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[stoic needle]

damn that's shit

[umbral rapids]

i thought it was 34% ?

[loud brook]

that's an insane dps loss

[ebon notch]

ooo nonono

[stoic needle]

you have to hit 40% crit and then your character unlocks scaling

[visual prairie]

42% all stats you get a nice cup of tea

[balmy condor]

good thing I got all day

[teal bloom]

Just get 100% in every stat

[loud brook]

I'm still only 20% haste 25% crit feelsbadman

[strange python]

@ebon notch rings give stamina tho not primary stat so secondary stat on rings may be beneficial..test and sim

[hollow jungle]

Tbh I hope obedience is still just bis, cba moving all these leggos to back piece

[strange python]

Use vigor to balance u out on low gear

[tribal marlin]

Do wee need next nightly update to sims this with raidbot ?

[fleet anchor]

Gonna have to make a back piece either way, don't see why it matters?

[hollow jungle]

I’m fine making obedience once and using it for all 3 specs vs rerolling 5 leggos

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[tribal marlin]

!pb

[loud brook]

for sure

[tribal marlin]

fix or riot >.<

[azure bronze]

I was just happy I could play something else then doomblade

[manic igloo]

so ye should i just go ahead and make doomblade? if so which stats

[fleet anchor]

I mean the rerolling is not really an issue, the old currency is not really the limiting factor anymore

It's the new currency for R5/6 that is the factor

[loud brook]

just wait till next week if you already have a shoulder doomblade

[thorn crater]

Haste/Crit

[fleet anchor]

You can grind Soul Ash for the old stuff very quickly now

[loud brook]

they might do more changes

[hollow jungle]

No, but I’m limited by time. And farming +130 ash torghast is not fun

[inland jacinth]

with the nerf, still worth dropping necrolord->venthyr with obedience?

[odd heath]

I'm waiting for r6 week anyway to craft my legendary. Too expensive to craft r5 -> r6 right now

[fleet anchor]

Venthyr is still going to be ahead

It depends on if you feel 2-3% is worth it or whatever it ends up being

[inland jacinth]

at least it's not 5% anymore? hehe

[strange python]

If u multi spec sin/sub..venthyr best

[inland jacinth]

outlaw/sin ?

[pliant nest]

but venth with doomblade is already like 3% ahead right?

[half moat]

outlaw/sin nec

[fleet anchor]

Will ask him about a rebuild if Whispyr hasn't already

[strange python]

Outlaw shines with spike

[inland jacinth]

kk, guess i'll stick with necro then, thanks guys

[wind dune]

https://gyazo.com/7a5c8b907d17f1a39d6adda7f5ca4393 soo whens the scaling ?

[ebon notch]

apparently sudden fractures sims worse than maim, mangle

anyone else getting the same thing?

[half moat]

BUT.. Sub aoe got a nice buff and I've swapped from outlaw to sub to mess around and on larger packs is really nice. On small like 4 packs (think TOP) outlaw is better

[strange python]

Bro but u hurting yourself alot at 11% haste

[fleet anchor]

Maim, Mangle interacts with Doomblade so it will eventually pull ahead for ST compared to Fractures

[ebon bramble]

damn obedience nerf 😦

[wind dune]

I play M+ that doesnt hurt me king

[fleet anchor]

Fractures will always be better for AoE

[ebon notch]

i see

[visual prairie]

there's no "hurting yourself" with secodaries

you wear your best gear regardless of hte secondaries

[strange python]

Want to go sub for m+..dont enjoy outlaw

[tribal marlin]

cool ty

[strange python]

M+ drop haste pump crit..but for single target more haste is nedded

[primal turret]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[half moat]

So this week in our mess around keys 13-15s on keys like top I play m+ Sin build and its pretty fun. played it a bit last season. You being ok aoe, still good ST.

[manic pebble]

should I buy this gloves now or wait for the drop?

[subtle tundra]

its 2k stygia, youre not gonna lose anything

[timid cloud]

Those are dogwater though.

[wind dune]

Not realllly but Thanks for the concern I do have a 30% haste set for raiding 😛

[timid cloud]

If you've got nothing better, go ahead though.

[manic igloo]

i put doomblade on cloak right?

[visual prairie]

what rank do you need to be to buy those?

[manic pebble]

but I don't have dom shards atm

[strange python]

Sin m+ tab target hell tho

[manic pebble]

where do you get them lol

[timid cloud]

Raid.

[visual prairie]

i have dom gems but no slots to put them in

[manic pebble]

ah

[half moat]

ah I dont mind it personally I enjoy many spinning plates

[strange python]

Feel u tho flag>crimson tempest wrecks

[harsh anchor]

It really gets my Jimmy’s going seeing all of the bleeds on all of the targets in a pull

[ebon bramble]

lol

[visual prairie]

jimmy's sweet on elaine

[opaque sparrow]

why are so many people running EP/MA? I thought BS/MA is for ST ?

[harsh anchor]

Feels good

[azure bronze]

it's only like a 50 dps loss or something just feels better to play

specially in the opener when you dont have to wait for energy to garrote...

[manic igloo]

before i make this a yes or no, doomblade on back?

[ebon thorn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/219hoR3qFWBbbuCy7zsHJd

[thorn crater]

yes

[ebon thorn]

idk i just thought

[pine grove]

If you're going Doomblade, it goes on back.

[wintry terrace]

Kinda have too, gloves have dom socket

[ebon thorn]

that having too much haste is bad

[visual prairie]

there's no "too much" for secondaries

just sim yourself and wear what's best

[timid cloud]

Me seeing the nerfs today to Obidence.

[opaque sparrow]

@azure bronze would you mind to explain why it smoothes the rotation? EP is just a damage buff?

[harsh anchor]

Having too much haste leads into giga fun with exsang

[timid cloud]

I'm dropping Necro & going back to Venthyr now I think.

[visual prairie]

going against traffic, smart

[kind talon]

guys

what slot do i craft obedience on

🙂

[thorn crater]

Boots

[kind talon]

ty

[timid cloud]

[strange python]

If crit too low tho..getting 6 points will take too long

[thorn crater]

Its actually back please dont do boots lol

[harsh anchor]

Worst case, that’s 3 nuts

Muts

[opaque sparrow]

Oh so you are playing with vigor then aswell?

[visual prairie]

heyo. i've been watching mad men

[kind talon]

?????

[balmy condor]

how bout the fuck we dont

[timid cloud]

PARDON

[velvet haven]

Yeah that's a ban hammer

[strange python]

Real mf..dont obey..like garrosh

[velvet haven]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

early sim time, more to come

[loud brook]

pog

[echo mantle]

Depression on hold.

[jaunty goblet]

EVERYBODY PANIC

[echo mantle]

Tbh, Obedience is pretty nice just for the qol of the cd imo.

[sturdy stirrup]

noooo obedience died

[velvet haven]

Alright I'm not longer waiting to craft my raid lego ig I'll just craft again next week

[harsh anchor]

What do you know, looks very similar to the last sims.

[subtle tundra]

?

it doesnt tho

[next dust]

where can i find what i can CoS in new raid?

[mighty kiln]

back to necro?

[harsh anchor]

Oh right, obedience isn’t #1 so it’s dead

[quick vale]

So Venthyr is still the play even if Obedience is worse ?

[echo mantle]

Lost about 400~ dps. Which isnt the worst thing in the world.

[visual prairie]

4% pretty large

[echo mantle]

Yes, but its from the top end and its still top. So it just puts it in line.

[tidal gorge]

You guys that reroll covenants at the drop of a hat amuse me

[fleet anchor]

Always has been. At least in terms of max ST damage.

[timid cloud]

That's that WAGON.

[fleet anchor]

Necro for AoE flexibility and Outlaw swapping

Venthyr for ST and Sub swapping

[limber lion]

[errant plover]

Yea, but that's pure ST, Necro gains a little with any adds or cleave. I'm guessing both covs will be viable now, which is great!

[pine grove]

Haha. Yeah. I'm the opposite. I look for a reason not to swap.

[quick vale]

Great ty for the confirmation

[echo mantle]

I love SBS...but hate everything else about necrolords. I love everything about Venthyr but dont realy care much for Flag :(.

If only we got to pick an ability and then a cov.

[strange python]

Play what u enjoy.. these sims r like for 5% of players who play perfectly

[tidal gorge]

Yeah, ain't nobody got time for that nonsense. I get triggered when my entire adventure table and all my cov progress resets

[sleek sparrow]

@tidal gorge

[visual prairie]

really just wanted a legendary that did something

[nimble tartan]

obedience also assumes send it on cd which depending on fights where u might want to hold for hard phase/lust it loses value now that doomblade is that close seems like doomie nice

[tidal gorge]

Real talk though, obedience damage is spikier while doomblade is more consistent. So both would have their place even if the sims were identical

[strange python]

Wish that with covenant assaults we could borrow their powers during assault to test or fck around

[harsh anchor]

That’s what leveling is for

[silent fossil]

@limber lion so r we boner boys again, lead me cf

[strange python]

But we can get a feel for buffs and reworks without having to switch completely

[harsh anchor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[runic basin]

so we stay vent with doomblade ?

[indigo thicket]

the best thing is you can craft doom and obedience and swap them!

since theyre both back pieces

[delicate bone]

not quite the most accurate take broski

[strange python]

If u dont play class right these numbers dont even matter

[loud brook]

it seems I was mistaken about my stat spread. It is 22% crit, 20% haste, 33% mastery, and 9% vers for those that read my previous numbers

[nimble tartan]

im personally staying venth i havent seen any fight worth being necro for tbh

[delicate bone]

what kind of argument is this? what

[hollow jungle]

Kek

[forest shoal]

yeah lan, mastery is suxxor

[strange python]

Bro no one arguing..just ppl stressing way to much in this

[delicate bone]

i mean its a big deal and it matters

good that it happened now before people could craft it

so they can make a better choice off of the actual numbers

[gusty mirage]

[loud brook]

for sure. I'm tryin to move away from mastery, but all my gear so far has had some form of mastery

and im 221 so I cant afford to be picky

[odd hazel]

Fuckin rip

[tender escarp]

Hello Guys! DoTing Spiked Ball Painsmith Raznal vs. playing safe. What you think?

[odd hazel]

Doom blade up there

All y’all complaining about obedience got it

[nimble tartan]

not worth hitting ball full send boss

fan into boss

[odd heath]

You can dps it, it's pretty slow.. but if your comp is ranged heavy, let them deal with it tbh

[buoyant mauve]

oh shit, why didn't I think of that

[tidal gorge]

We didn't kill him last nite but I was fan/envenoming the critical balls (on the overlaps where it needs to die immediately for traps to get thru). Probably not optimal but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber lion]

You can throw bleeds on a ball, but do note that padding on balls is not worth. It will not show up on logs.

[nimble tartan]

its good to have the option if its dire just swappie

[strange python]

Just killed remnant last nite..havent even tried yet..nice to know I'll getfck if I try to melle it

[buoyant mauve]

actually I was able to melee it, just gotta space really well

[nimble tartan]

remnant was so disappointing as a fight..

maybe feel better on mythic

[cedar crater]

so what we doin now

[limber lion]

chillin

[cerulean nest]

vibing

[oak sky]

staying venthyr

[strange python]

Blizz support..complain bout nerf

[odd heath]

Waiting with anxiety for dgslice sims

[mystic osprey]

Necro 4 Life.

[fathom sinew]

Outlaw Obedie bois wya

[cedar crater]

im necro... i really dont wanna switch to venth

[strange python]

Venthyr 4 all eternity

[tidal gorge]

The 80 renown title for Venth is Sin Eater. There is no other covenant for me 😛

[halcyon zealot]

shall we swap back necro and then potentially swap back venthyr and then maybe also swap back necro all in preparation for a leggo that doesn’t exist yet?!

[visual prairie]

schrodinger's covenant

[silver fog]

He's speaking the language of the gods

[fluid glade]

lmao

[quaint carbon]

[dull cloak]

no one padding on painsmith balls smh

[fluid glade]

just maybe not swap till we actually see real numbers?

[nimble tartan]

necro is cring..

[fleet anchor]

Speak for yourself

Gotta get DoTs on every single one of them

[steel bane]

let that CT shine

[dull cloak]

u gotta dot up as soon as they drop for full damage

[spice spire]

CT kings on painsmith

[dull cloak]

all except the ball your rl wants to kill

kek

[teal bloom]

You cannot get hit by the balls if you kill all the balls

[shy heron]

"For Spiked Balls, only damage done to the first killed ball in each set is included in the table below. You may switch to the Damage Taken by Enemies view to see damage to all balls if needed. " WCL disagrees

[spice spire]

You’re taking this far too seriously

[shy heron]

I'm sorry

[dull cloak]

no fun allowed

[shy heron]

puts a bandana back on

CT time

[spice spire]

All good

[quaint carbon]

Why y’all killing balls

[spice spire]

Hell yeah brother

[remote nimbus]

whats best spec/cov for raid now

[gusty mirage]

I've hit my quota of getting hit in the face with balls for 2021

[spice spire]

We don’t kill balls we unethically pad

[shy heron]

because ranged dps are too busy doing whatever it is they're doing

[spice spire]

Even though it literally doesn’t show in logs

[silent fossil]

i got chained 2 times in 1 pull and afkd for half the pull

[spice spire]

LMFAO

[shy heron]

melee didn't make room for you?

[silent fossil]

nah scum

[teal bloom]

poisoned knife mvp

[spice spire]

Imagine not opening the pit for Luna the fragger

[shy heron]

I'm just saying there are ways to MAKE them give you room

[shy heron]

you know, if you're a gamer

[fleet anchor]

ty filtering

[spice spire]

Absolute apes

[fleet anchor]

Just have WCL filter to give me better logs, I'm on board 😄

[teal bloom]

unethical boomkins

[spice spire]

TRUE

[fleet anchor]

Boomkins are dishonest

Dishonest gamers

[spice spire]

Wouldn’t trust a boomkin with a dollar let alone a raidspot

[final sky]

for painsmith, i shadowstepped the first set of balls and survived but for the second set i did the same thing and died?

[fleet anchor]

Only ethical Rogue boss damage is allowed

[teal bloom]

[spice spire]

Funnel only

[shy heron]

shadowstep is illegal

[final sky]

do i need to be walking backwards whilst shadowstepping or soemthing?

[shy heron]

no it puts you exactly on the middle of their hitbox which is in the death zone

so it procced your cheat death

[final sky]

i dont have cheat deth

death*

[spice spire]

[final sky]

i forgot to put it on

[spice spire]

Ahhh

[final sky]

so i have leech

[shy heron]

well then you got lucky somehow

[spice spire]

I thought you meant in general, yeah it should hit you every time

[harsh anchor]

Pixel perfect shadow step

[final sky]

ok then

[spice spire]

Step to someone who can cheese it

Like lock TP

[shy heron]

meanwhile demon hunters can double jump glide over them

[final sky]

lock tp doesnt work

it kills u

[spice spire]

Their personal?

[visual prairie]

tehir personal one

[final sky]

oh no i mean the portals

[cloud niche]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[visual prairie]

should work. you're not trarvelling

[pure moth]

If it doesn't work on balls, why is it working for the boss with the beam?

[shy heron]

scientists are still working to explain that

[visual prairie]

the gate doesn't work

[fleet anchor]

I'm guessing it's something dumb like it depends on which direction they are going

For the balls

Generally I use Shadowstep to be lazy and go through the spikes after the tank moves the boss 🤣

[shy heron]

you can NF blink or venthyr door past the balls but that's about it unless you're shadowstepping someone already across

[spice spire]

I might do the same koji

[final sky]

i will be doing that from now on

[spice spire]

I’m an ape though

[shy heron]

you have an assassination tag we already knew that

[dull cloak]

i wonder if you can evasion the spikes

[distant cypress]

Does that buff to toxic onslaught change anything for it or is it still a trash lego

?

[teal bloom]

It's still very bad

[distant cypress]

thought so

[winged basin]

Yo sorry @balmy condor guildy told me your sims are horrible and that I cannot base what legendary or cov I should use off them, so I am going to go night fae and use toxic onslaught 🙂 The other people who play this game make me not want to play this game

[distant cypress]

shame but at least venthyr bois got at least a bit dragged down

[solemn marlin]

did something happen , my same sim from yesterday shows 200 dps less today

[timid cloud]

HUH?

[final sky]

so dhs can double jump over?

[tacit badge]

what caused the new sim to lessen the gap between heirmir and swapping venthyr with the new leggo?

[void pecan]

lego tuning

[chilly viper]

just got nerfed

[balmy condor]

understandable

[tacit badge]

So totally viable to stay necro now?

[half tartan]

hope so

necro gameplay is smooth

[void pecan]

More or less

[chilly viper]

It always be viable lol

[tacit badge]

having ranged with the cov ability when moving for mechanics is nice

[chilly viper]

been*

[tacit badge]

i know its viable i meant less of a dps loss

was over 600 before

[manic merlin]

Don't know about mythic but Heroic Sanctum is mainly ST, if you are planning on only raiding with m+ on the side, venth should be on top.

[half tartan]

previous sims are still in there somewhere

[fleet anchor]

Why NF legendary not in the pinned sims?

[chrome widget]

He has new sims pinned

[fleet anchor]

I hotfixed the data

And Whispyr isn't even using it

I'm so offended

[chrome widget]

So obedience still bis for dungeon slice

Nice

[odd hazel]

There y’all got what you wanted

[thorny pond]

Hey look it’s balanced

https://tenor.com/view/perfectly-balanced-thanos-infinity-war-gif-13078930

[gloomy knoll]

got 3 equally bad leggos now to choose from instead of one good one balanced so fucking hard mate

[odd hazel]

Lololol

[frosty gyro]

Personally still like the look of Obedience since it gives the option of playing Sub/Outlaw

[fathom flax]

Yo with ma talent what’s the ideal necro opener I always start real shit

[tidal gorge]

Doomblade requires 100% uptime to sim equal, whereas you get benefit from obedience on fights like painsmith. Not every fight is patchwerk

[hollow escarp]

[fathom flax]

Or do we just have no burst

[nimble tartan]

obedience also has more value on more than 1 target

this an outlaw tier forsure baby

if its close enough just slam law

[gloomy knoll]

don't be so sure

[nimble tartan]

cant lose

[gloomy knoll]

doomblade gains value in cleave

also

[signal kayak]

Im not optimized at all still good as nf with zoldy leggo....so im happy with assassin as whole right now

[gloomy knoll]

more mutilate energy brother

[odd hazel]

Totally not

[nimble tartan]

thats true…

[frosty gyro]

huh?

[nimble tartan]

but then i have no good lege for m+….

[fleet anchor]

Doomblade doesn't require uptime at all?

[gloomy knoll]

it's a balanced tier though you have 3 equally bad legendaries and 3 bad covenants

pog

meaningful choice activated

[fathom flax]

A 235 is almost heroic and that’s like 2 weeks of torghast just have a celerity ring for m+

[fleet anchor]

Doomblade is just extra damage on your Mutilates, the DoT uptime is not relevant

[nimble tartan]

nothing matters

[fleet anchor]

Doomblade and Obedience are still like on the top quarter or even fifth of legendaries after this... Stop acting like the couple massively overtuned ones are the norm. lol

[echo mantle]

tl;dr we still good. at least we're not hunters.

[tidal gorge]

Doomblade requires you to constantly hit the boss, if you compare obedience vs. doomblade on a fight like painsmith where you have 2 long intermissions, that downtime goes right into buffing your damage on your next cooldowns

[nocturne geode]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-hallelujah-we-are-saved-gif-4119740

[balmy condor]

[nimble tartan]

[odd heath]

Well

[balmy condor]

@fleet anchor welcome to spec channels

[teal bloom]

[odd heath]

Still being venthyr then

[limber lion]

[nocturne geode]

just adding intense memes to the channel to lighten the mood

[prisma coral]

appreciate everyones work in getting the sims updated and out

[nocturne geode]

❤️

[tidal gorge]

My point is that the damage graph with obedience is going to be big spikes, doomblade is more consistent across the whole fight. You can't compare them apples to apples 🙄

[delicate bone]

but now its the worst rogue spec 😢 lol

[nocturne geode]

you can though in terms of uptime right?

[thorny pond]

And yet I GUARANTEE it’ll see the most progression

[frosty gyro]

I mean he's not entirely wrong, but it's not for the right reason

[delicate bone]

likely so

[thorny pond]

And hey guess what? We’re still strong even with doomblade

[frosty gyro]

It's not about doomblade uptime, it's just that the intermission essentially cuts your CDs and lines them up better

[nimble tartan]

doomblade again

[nocturne geode]

whats doomblade im still obedience simp

[nimble tartan]

no new toy

[frosty gyro]

Yeah I mean Obedience still seems better to me

There's very little pure ST, and it's like a 50 DPS gain

[ornate herald]

most of the fights have transition phases which is why you see a lot of rogues not running blindside

doomblade is for a fight more like guardian

[nocturne geode]

^

[ornate herald]

i think w/ the intermissions & cancer

obediance >

[nocturne geode]

^

yuge brain

[outer kernel]

did they nerfed venthyr legy?

[nocturne geode]

by half i think

[frosty gyro]

What's wrong with blindside and transitions?

[nimble tartan]

what does intermission phase have to do with blindside tho

[ornate herald]

people have to realize that sims are like 100% uptime patchwerk

[frosty gyro]

I mean sylvanas makes sense because she doesn't go to execute

[fathom flax]

But if there’s very little pure ST then why you venth lol

[visual prairie]

and in 3 weeks when you're all a little more geared and used to the fight, that intermission will be 30 seconds earlier

and it all changes again

[fathom flax]

Any adds make necro stronger

[nimble tartan]

yeah but why does sin need add dam bro just send st

[nocturne geode]

^

[somber hill]

why would they do this when ppl have made covenant decisions over the past month based on prior info, then 5 days before these legos are accessible they change them...

like they had all of ptr to do this instead

[nocturne geode]

you want add damage the answer is outlaw/sub

[somber hill]

such a pepega ass company

[visual prairie]

better than 5 days after probably

[somber hill]

either way ppl swapped because of the info that was available for 3 months

without a change

[ornate herald]

ya sin is better for like 2-3 target and the raid doesnt really have a lot of that besides the 9 and if ur basing your gear off of the first 2 bosses ur trolling ur raid

[cyan kite]

Lol 50% buff for NF legendary and is still unspeakably terrible

[harsh anchor]

Also have been speculating a nerf and feared it the last few weeks. Why be surprised?

[tacit badge]

@balmy condor thanks for doing all the heavy lifting to keep us informed

[somber hill]

im not surprised

im surprised the nerf is 50%

[distant cypress]

NF lego needs a complete overhaul, not an uptime buff sadly

[somber hill]

and im surprised they waited till now

they shouldve nerfed it during ptr

[nimble tartan]

im personally going obedience simply for access to sub since it seems to be chad st

[somber hill]

tetsing

[harsh anchor]

Vers was nerfed. Having the CDR carries the lego IMO

[ornate herald]

itll be good for the burst aoe too

[odd hazel]

I mean atleast no spec is like miles ahead any more

[spice spire]

Agreed

[distant cypress]

Agreed

[frosty gyro]

I mean if it makes CDs line up better

[spice spire]

Bone bros on menu with new pins it’s huge

[frosty gyro]

Obedience is definitely an upgrade on painsmith

[ornate herald]

im only mad that i have to upgrade finality now

after neglecting it

[somber hill]

to be clear im totally ok with it being nerfed

its just the timing

and how they chose to do it

[frosty gyro]

Since it means you will get 2 Flag before intermission and have it up after intermission

[grim hornet]

yo guys, guildies just told me about legendary changes. F obedience?

[somber hill]

ya u should get flag to line w ur vendettas now which is nice

[timid cloud]

It's whatever.

[somber hill]

nah its still good @grim hornet

[balmy condor]

[rustic whale]

i think obedience will grant like %15 versa now before nerf it was possible to get %30

[somber hill]

just not broken good

[odd hazel]

Tbh we appreciate you, I know it’s a headache

[fallen ginkgo]

difference between Necro Heimnir and Venthyr sim isnt too crazy anymore damn

[rustic whale]

and ofc thanks to @balmy condor

[somber hill]

hard to get 15% on sin but yes

[balmy condor]

deep breaths homie

[hollow escarp]

are the nerfs in Nightly?

[balmy condor]

people just need deep breaths

[hollow stratus]

I think I'm going to upgrade my Doomblade to rank 6 and then put Obedience on a rank 4 when it comes out in case it's better on a fight by fight basis, I think this will be the best management of my soul cinders

[royal wasp]

should i make doomblade instead of obedience then?

[limber lion]

Sure if you want.

[somber hill]

i still think they went slightly overboard going from 1%-->0.5% imo .75 wouldve been fair

[frosty gyro]

I would still make obedience because it will let you run outlaw for M+ and Sub for fights where it's better since Sub is ahead of Sin right now on sims

[odd hazel]

I’m good, i crafted a cloak finality any way— so I’m good on what ever I end up going. 235/235 both doom and finality. Al li know is I’m not going outlaw

[somber hill]

or .65 even

[tidal gorge]

That was basically what I was trying to say before, I just said it badly. If obedience optimized your cooldowns so that you're not sitting around waiting for the boss to come back to use cooldowns, that would be a large difference vs. doomblade which has to be hitting the boss to see benefit. I.e. you don't lose any value from the legendary for the fight

[frosty gyro]

Doomblade is probably better than Obedience on like 2 or 3 fights in raid

by barely anything

[rustic whale]

doomblade kinda feels punished dmg if you dont have atleast 1 bleed on target

i mean for cleave

[limber lion]

How does that work?

[viscid spear]

Bought a 230 crafted neck and got some stuff from Tazavesh, up to 222 now

[somber hill]

I agree w @tidal gorge if u have any downtime or if you are not constantly throwing out envemons (i.e. multi dotting instead) then obedience gap grows from doomblade by large margin

[rustic whale]

and i believe now doomblade for go to necro lego if we are vs with obedience

[frosty gyro]

Isn't Tazavesh quest neck bis for a while though?

Buying 230 🤔

[limber lion]

No, it's not the best.

[viscid spear]

What quest neck?

[frosty gyro]

I mean until next week and mythic gear

Isn't the proc like 100 dps?

[dim temple]

seem neco lord owned in the sicms right now

[viscid spear]

I did the quest for the dungeon, didn't see a neck

[weak bane]

It's given for completing hardmode quest line