assassination

[solid mica]

anyone see the buff to condensed anima sphere conduit and maybe using it?

[limber sigil]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[viral vigil]

So I got the Shard of Domination from the world boss.

Is it useful for Sin?

[sleek sparrow]

its just leech

[viral vigil]

Shards are.. confusing a bit to me curernt. Yeah if it's just leach thats awful

[dapper yew]

am i missing something but i dont see the Soulbind Pin for Venth

[viral vigil]

Are you asking whats the best soulbind? Or the soulbind tree

[dapper yew]

tree

for Nad

Soulbind tree for Nadj

[reef axle]

does dom sockets trump bad stats on geaR?

[idle shard]

someone already has tazavesh neck?

[viral vigil]

My group cleared it an hour ago. Took us four hours

We almost did hard mode but uhhh yeah were not ready for that

I got the new Ticking Sack trinket

dunno how good it is

[blissful yew]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[oak sky]

LOL i got dfv in my last vault

it was normal difficulty but

[viscid spear]

The Vers/Mas gloves from the Death's Advance vendor worth it?

[thin ingot]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[nimble ice]

did the Tricks of the Trade damage buff go through to 9.1 live?

[lost mist]

it's a start...

[hollow river]

Pvp talent, but yea.

[nimble ice]

gotcha, thank you 🙂

[velvet nacelle]

i can't wait for more parses to be up so i know how much you guys kicked my ass today

[craggy basin]

5 hours down and got hard mode done ugh that was a bitch

got the sack trinket and legs off last boss.

[velvet nacelle]

we just did first 5 of normal today since our group sucks at learning fights ahead of time, our normal raid nights are weekends

but i only did like 5k to nerzhul, etc.

[nimble tartan]

man some of these fights feel so empty

[strange python]

unlimited ash is nice

[manic pebble]

But I don’t have unlimited time to grind for another doomblade slot

[strange python]

It's okay I don't feel any better after wasting all that time

[viscid spear]

This Ash will cost you

[manic pebble]

If only we could refund our soul ash

[grim hornet]

as sin, for st, do we use phantom fire pot or agi pot? trying to min/max here.

[odd hazel]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[grim hornet]

oh, tyvm!

didn't know this command

[viscid spear]

I got the Dusklight Razorwing!

[odd hazel]

i finish the new dungeon

its pretty pog

[oak sky]

nice

i mostly caught up

which is nice

[snow plinth]

not sure if i should make doomblade or dashing. Dashing sounds really nice with all the energy it looks like itd generate, but 15-20% envenom damage sounds insane

[umbral rapids]

gz

[oak sky]

doomblade does more damage, but if you like dashing you could go for it

[viscid spear]

Ty, hard to do in War Mode when you have roving groups of the opposite faction

[snow plinth]

do you take internal bleeding locked in with doomblade?

[umbral rapids]

Why tf would you be in wm lmao

[red pagoda]

oh, I thought you can only turn in one egg per day, whoops

[oak sky]

internal bleeding doesnt work on bosses in raid, but for questing it would probably be nice

[viscid spear]

2 a day, 10 total

The second egg is always a crapshoot, such a low chance

[oak sky]

i got one today

where do i turn it in?

might as well passively get the mount lol

[umbral rapids]

I never go for the 2nd egg

It’s already painful enough to get the first one

[cyan dew]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[cobalt flame]

wasnt it supposed to be over at 10am

[wide jasper]

not very surprising

[grim jay]

well the maint for the other guys took ages aswell

[wide jasper]

Won‘t be surprising if the login servers will be fucked up this evening either.

[velvet haven]

not surprised at all the mega dungeon was buggy af lol

[forest delta]

we beta testing boyss

[velvet haven]

yeah that last boss has hands

on hard mode

[red pagoda]

it's up now

just got in

well, almost

[balmy condor]

EU gets to beta test the NA alpha test

[arctic hare]

So I just got a new potency slot, not really sure what to use it for on nadja

I'm thinking between lethal poisons or well-placed steel

[limber lion]

Probably WPS

[arctic hare]

Mkay, thanks, also, is there a way to get to 44 renown, I've already done the weekly quests

have I made a vital mistake in doing those two early?

I'm also 43 rn, so

[oak sky]

dont think so

[arctic hare]

Awwww crap

[oak sky]

pretty sure catchup just happens

[arctic hare]

so I gotta wait till next week?

[oak sky]

i think you can catchup whenever now

[arctic hare]

cause I'm 43 atm, and i've done both of the weekly quests so

oh, okay, guess i'll try a dungeon then

[oak sky]

if you have any callings or anything up that might work

[arctic hare]

They don't say they give any renown

[idle shard]

Maim, mangle sims best for me as my 2nd potency

but idk :p

[arctic hare]

Hmm, makes sense

I guess I'll do maim, mangle for now

Actually, I do do dungeons, so nvm

[idle shard]

its tyrannical week tho :p

I use ST talents on tyrannical weeks

[vestal wren]

eu is online now

[red pagoda]

yup

[left plaza]

i gonna change to venthyr, can i get 45 renown with the catch-up system? (im already 45 with NL)

[oak sky]

i just dropped a mount off a rare

nice

[tulip nacelle]

you can

[vestal wren]

it just takes some time

[spring fractal]

Got that Soul Cage Fragment ilvl 233 trinket off the WB

[oak sky]

i got hands

[spring fractal]

Nice

Just an Equip Trinket I like those lol

[oak sky]

kinda

i cant use the hands until mythic week

because of doomblade

[lavish isle]

i should go for Obedience or doomblade?

[oak sky]

once i craft obedience its all good tho

[lavish isle]

legendary?

[spring fractal]

I have a doomblade I think I wanna try master assassin though

[balmy condor]

If you don’t have anything at all, I would consider a 210 doomblade, if you already have something I would wait till end of heroic tuning

[balmy condor]

Why?

[spring fractal]

Found one of my alts has 4200 soul ash so finishing up getting him to the part where i can mail it over

[lavish isle]

i got this for sub

[oak sky]

its kinda ridiculous how much damage i can do as sub with no leggo rn

pure bursty

[left plaza]

Tyvm!

[spring fractal]

Whispyr for PVP i guess never done it

[lavish isle]

outlaw seems to be top dps atm ?

[balmy condor]

Aha

[balmy condor]

In raid? No

[spring fractal]

Saw some cheeses with sepsis and being a night elf

Can utilize it more

[lavish isle]

cuz thinking if i shoudl swap to assa / outlaw

from sub

[oak sky]

i just got the pet and the mount from necro paragon jeez

[spring fractal]

Nice!

[oak sky]

2 mounts today

totally by accident

[spring fractal]

I think i had an opportunity for one other besides the one at renown 45 the rare in kortnia where after you jump on to tame it; well i had no idea what I was doing at it threw me off into the abyss

[oak sky]

oh yeah

huh

[spring fractal]

Looked like a never ending story thing

[oak sky]

i tamed it and i didnt get a mount

might be nf only?

[spring fractal]

Oh lol i diddnt get one either i figured if you tamed it youd get it lol

[oak sky]

i think you just get the rare rewards

[spring fractal]

Ahhhh

[oak sky]

rep and whatever

[winged basin]

anyone get the ticking sack of terror from tazavesh?

got one from hardmode tazavesh earlier and its no good for ST but wondering how cracked it is for aoe

105 mastery with a almost 7k explosion effect

[oak sky]

i havent done the dungeon yet

[winged basin]

the boys and I just did hardmode

was easy til the last boss, that was RIDICULOUSLY hard

[oak sky]

niiice

[hollow talon]

do you guys run EP/vigor or the other one

or do you switch based on the fight

DS/blindside sims higher for me but not sure if its actually better

in actual fights

[modest apex]

should doomblade still be crafted on claokc or is shoulders the best again?

[hollow talon]

prob cloak for dom sockets

[lavish isle]

Obedience > Doomblade >=

[winged basin]

ep/vigor is usually the route you go for necro

[hollow talon]

i am venth does that matter

[oak hinge]

Obedience would make venthyr stronger over necro?

[reef axle]

I’m waiting till next week, no point crafting doomblade honestly

[oak sky]

bro tazzy looks cool as fuck

[winged basin]

probably go for ds/blindside

it IS cool as fuck

the hardmode mount is dope

[oak sky]

no pirate dragon

[hollow talon]

i just got the mount

the mountspecial on it is so cool

u do flips and shit

absolute pimp mount

[oak sky]

nice

[hollow talon]

follow up question, if i have DS and i have 4 cp, do i mutilate or no

[oak sky]

yes

dont think about crits or anything

you only dont build when you are guaranteed to overcap

so like dont mut at 5, but doing it at 4 or 3 or whatever is fine

[azure bronze]

it's a 100% drop even if you die/wipe in the dungeon on hard mode right?

[idle shard]

is the neck good for you? Or nay

also how long it took you to complete hard mode

[pure sinew]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[hollow talon]

yeah the one from the boss is a different color (the rare drop) but if u just complete the hardmode everyone in the group gets the mount

we wiped a bunch on the last boss but we still got it

[hollow talon]

ok gotcha ty

[hollow talon]

i got the 233 neck from the dungeon and that sims higher than 226 one with the +main stat proc

[azure bronze]

nice and thanks!

[hollow talon]

some of the bosses are really easy

u can just blast and out dps the mechanics with gear

but the last boss was tough

prob took us like 1.5 hours maybe

[idle shard]

sheeet

[hollow talon]

i didnt really time it tho so could be off

maybe less probably

we had to do it from start of the questline

[idle shard]

dont think I can pug hard mode tho 😦

[hollow talon]

like unlocking harmode quest

resetting it

activating the hardmode

it is a fun dungeon though

i enjoyed it

not sure if i'd run it again next week since m+ drops 236 but maybe

a lot of the drops are crit/haste which is nice

[idle shard]

man id love to do hard mode for that sweet 233 but idk if I can pug it

lol

probably not

[hollow talon]

you probably could but being on discord for coms for last boss definitely helps

[idle shard]

what about a normal run

[hollow talon]

the soak mechanic is a little tricky

[bitter canyon]

If you do a normal run you can’t get hardmode gear this week

[south belfry]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[north basin]

Is it possible to get enough codex rep for 239 item by the end of this week cd?

[azure bronze]

Nah most likely not

You need 16k rep just for the last rank

[north basin]

Kk

[azure bronze]

Most likely next week somewhere you can probably unlock it

[tender notch]

how do we feel about wowhead vs icyveins

[balmy condor]

Both have basically the same info

They’re both community figures here

[regal path]

best assass tarragrue powers?

[visual prairie]

ok, painsmith is a straight up fuck you to melee

[timid talon]

Eh, all fights this tier are kind to melee imo, its not as bad as it used to be

[visual prairie]

chains on painsmith. being able to kill the balls coming across. there is no reason to not go 100

% ranged

[timid talon]

the ball has no hp though

just hit the boss lol

[visual prairie]

for something with no hp, it really has issue dying.

puglife

[vernal tapir]

What's our opener looking like here?

as Venth

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

But basically:
Muti - SnD - Muti - Garrote - Flag - Rupture - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti

[north basin]

Briefly browsed through normal/heroic logs, no boss detected where rogues were top 3. Maybe europe raid scene today will change the picture))

[limber lion]

Or the Obedience legendary next week :)

[north basin]

Hope our new imba leg will throw a kick!)) Ye

Btw how new dagger works exactly? With 4 stacks and 6 combopoints it will proc damage in 40%+ ish hits?or

[balmy condor]

Each stack of the debuff does the damage

So if you have 1 stack, it hits once

4 stacks, it hits 4 times

[oak sky]

i think ive done every catchup thing

sheeeesh

now i just need to go raid and run tazzy

and m+ and torghast

lol

[green nacelle]

Oh. It might have just clicked. Rogue bleeds no longer snapshot, right?

[wary pawn]

after second mut in the opener we are starved so i guess we wait 1sec for energy? feels clunky af

[limber lion]

With BS/DS it's a bit clunky, sure. Just press garrote when you can

If you're Belf, you can use arcane torrent there

[north basin]

I meant if 1 stack gives 4% chane to proc damage per combopoint in hc version so 6 combopoints equal to 24% chance of proc, and i thought 4 stacks multiply chance of proc damage somehow ))

[balmy condor]

The only real snapshot left is haste snapshotting on exsang, and with exsang is the worst talent on the entire tree right now, pretty much no snapshot

[vestal wren]

exsangs snapshotting is the only thing going for the talent

[north basin]

In 9.2/3 they buff exsang 100% to add some diversity for us )

[balmy condor]

Like I said, only the damage. The chance remains the same, it’s just when it procs, you get the damage 4 times

[vestal wren]

i think we are at a point that makes a rework of exsang unavoidable if you want to bring it back

[balmy sage]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[neon tiger]

is the new tazavesh hard mode neck bis? raid bots seems to show it as the old pre nerfed version

[balmy sage]

when do the macro, mutilate / ambush doesn't work?

[balmy condor]

Not even close

[balmy sage]

with the gse

[balmy condor]

It gets beat by like 242+

[balmy condor]

Not sure what the question is

[next dust]

guys crimson tempest over poison on raiding?

[balmy sage]

i make the macro mutilate/ambush with the gse but i cant use it:(

[upbeat tinsel]

The power where you let out a howl every x seconds is pretty OP. I got that, the % stat but can't jump, and haste one. I didn't play particularly well and did a ton of damage

I can't imagine much would contribute more damage than that howl/interrupt power

[zenith wren]

Why does the jumping part even exist xD

[upbeat tinsel]

It can be annoying in torghast, I guess? I don't know, not really it's pretty good for twisting corridors too

there's no drawback on heroic Tarragrue at least, I haven't even looked at mythic

well except for the well known fact if you spam spacebar while doing your rotation you hit harder obviously

[zenith wren]

Cosmetic drawbacks

Should have added one where your transmog stops working

[upbeat tinsel]

raid leader wouldn't let us pick the grow in size knockback one

[zenith wren]

Miss Click it

[balmy condor]

Again, really confused what the problem is

[balmy condor]

Nice try but then the raid lead would just tell you to hit the pedestal and get new powers

[zenith wren]

Say it’s bugged

[upbeat tinsel]

someone definitely picked the power with the drawback of "if you die you stun the raid" and got knocked off during trash

and was told to switch off

[zenith wren]

It’s the first boss anyway might as well have fun

[next dust]

can someone tell me the talents for raiding? thanks

[upbeat tinsel]

pretty nice to get the only rank 1 parse I'll ever get out of the way early on heroic tarragrue before say 60% of guilds even do it or bother logging heroic

[zenith wren]

[snow plinth]

do i make doomblade now, or wait for next week for obediance?

[next dust]

@zenith wren the pins are from 2020 so i thought they are outdated

vm

nvm

[zenith wren]

Assa hasn’t gotten any changes this tier so no reason why they would change

Not this early anyway

[digital zodiac]

what you venthyrs using as second potency? Well placed steel?

[zenith wren]

As it is obedience is top for all specs in almost all situations if not all. If I were you I’d wait the week and if they nerf it or tweak it you can craft the other one anyway

[wise gull]

painsmith parsing is gonna be the most degenerate shit hahaha

[balmy condor]

They get edited, that’s why they have an entire section with a title “9.1 specific things”

[next dust]

ahh ok

thanks a lot ^^ ❤️

[snow plinth]

gotcha. ty!

[wise gull]

oops

[rigid walrus]

what anima powers did you guys get

for first boss

[balmy condor]

Whatever the game gave me

[noble pilot]

Can someone recommend a slot I should craft Deathly Shadows on and with which stats (in case there is any use outside of cheesing on prepull)?

[next dust]

@balmy condor doomblade on cloak with what stats please?

[limpid plinth]

Isnt the cheese prepull thing only good for sub? Or am i wrong

[arctic walrus]

Yeah don’t do that you need vanish in your rotation

[rigid walrus]

idk everyone in mine kept rerolling their powers idk what the anima power pool is

[limber lion]

You don't want to do that and it's been fixed for assassination anyways.

[limber lion]

Crit/Haste

[modest apex]

we get obedience nesxt week? i thought it was in 2 weeks

[limber lion]

Yes, next week

[modest apex]

but were max renown 44 this week and next week is 46 no?

[limber lion]

No

45 this week

48 next week

[modest apex]

ah

yes campaign mb

z

[wise gull]

can you only get shards once per boss no matter the difficulty?

or will i get more chances during heroic

[azure bronze]

do you mean the stygian embers?

Or the domination shards?

[wise gull]

domination shards

[azure bronze]

Shards are a one time drop you upgrade them

[next dust]

@limber lion ty ty!

[wise gull]

i know, i'm just wondering if you have additional chances on higher difficulties

[azure bronze]

Probably

[copper pine]

How should i open as Necro in ST ? And how to use Bonespike in the fight ?

[limpid plinth]

Sbs snd mut garrote rupture use rest of sbs on gemstone

[vestal wren]

soulbinds:

^ i am 100% sure i got sth wrong, so pls just ping me if you find a mistake

[swift sigil]

Silly question but I see it in the sub discord a lot. Does the Deathly lego trick work with ass?

[limber lion]

No.

[swift sigil]

Cheers

[scenic ocean]

What is the consensus on Venthyr vs Necro for assassination? If I want to raid and do M+?

[limber lion]

Both are fine

Venthyr is generally the better choice for raiding

Especially if you want to play Sub

[vestal wren]

necro feels better to play in m+ but both should perform well

[scenic ocean]

I was thinking of doing Assass and Outlaw, which is supposed to be better in M+

[lavish quarry]

which written guide is more up to date to follow for sin rogue in m+?

[lost horizon]

Answer stays the same tbh

[scenic ocean]

I saw Bloodmallet says Venthyr sims 1k ahead of Necro.

[vestal wren]

wowhead is usually a good choice

[lost horizon]

Necro gives an edge for keys, venth for raid

[lavish quarry]

thx

[drowsy parcel]

apl opens muti snd ambush if it procs blindside on opening mutilate

doesnt seem right

[ruby birch]

Is that with DS?

[drowsy parcel]

yes

[ruby birch]

Weird

[limber lion]

You always use the Blindside proc

Even during MA windows.

[drowsy parcel]

really

i had no idea

[obsidian ridge]

since there doesnt appear to be a faq yet: do you hold flag for vendetta?

[versed mica]

no iirc

[vestal wren]

haha soon™️

i don't think its worth

but letme quick check the apl

[spice spire]

Soon™️ or actually soon?

Also afaik you try to hold for vendetta unless you’ll miss a cast

[versed mica]

the question is, do you hold flag for ven when running obedience?

[vestal wren]

hmm i think you line it up with flag

[sage siren]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[vestal wren]

Sync Vendetta with Flagellation and Sepsis as long as we won't lose a cast over the fight duration

^ basically

[obsidian ridge]

ty

[wet condor]

is it worth to use deathly for assa?

[limber lion]

1. It doesn't work.
2. No.

They literally fixed it for sin.

[thin gate]

Lethal Poison > Maim, Mangle Except for Doomblade legendary right?

[wet condor]

oh

[shy nest]

which souldbind tree is best for assa?

for raiding

[surreal briar]

with the new legendary for flag nadja is looking strong

[shy nest]

forgot to say im necro too

[iron orchid]

when we have obedience, the syncing thing will work the other way around, you use flag when it's up and delay vendetta for flag

I think that's what Whispyr put in the APL

[plain thistle]

check pins

but basically heimir

[odd hazel]

What’s changed in the pin?

[limber lion]

Nothing much

[odd hazel]

I just saw the notification and was like

[limber lion]

Fuu added his soulbind thingy at the bottom

[odd hazel]

Cool~ have we found out which domination gems we will use ?

[spice spire]

Yes

It’s in his pin

[odd hazel]

Have the bosses been buggy ?

[lost horizon]

Not really from what I saw

Some people def got hit hard with lag though

[spice spire]

Tazzavesh was hella buggy last night

[odd hazel]

Yeah finished that last night

The mail boss wouldn’t let us pick the mail up to throw them

[spice spire]

I ran with… a group.

Yeah you just have to lust and burn mail

[odd hazel]

We were eventually able to pick them up

[lost horizon]

Oh haven't tried the dungeon yet, thought you meant raid

[spice spire]

I was top damage by an astronomical margin on second boss and it wasn’t enough

[odd hazel]

I did squawk

[spice spire]

Also it bugged out and kept us all in combat after death so we had to reform - then the dungeon reset.

[lost horizon]

Raid good

[gusty breach]

y0 folks, whats the name of ring/neck craftable in english(230 ilvl) ? asking for sims sake

[spice spire]

Then the healers comp reset and we called it a night

[odd hazel]

Took us about 2 hours to do the dungeon

We had to pug

[spice spire]

Quick oxxein ring?

[gusty breach]

thx

[odd hazel]

That’s rip

[spice spire]

I was trying to help guildies

[opaque tree]

any of you know where I can upgrade my lashing scars? I still have the quest version, it's a 171 blue

[spice spire]

I at least got one of our monks a sword

[opaque tree]

I have looked in dungeon journal, as well as raid, don't see it

[spice spire]

World quests for sure to 200 -

Other than that, denny?

[opaque tree]

yeah I just saw denathrius..shit

lol don't want to go in there >_<

[spice spire]

Unlucky ><
Maybe if your guild clears you can bait them to use the skip

[opaque tree]

I'm just kind of surprised...

it's our best conduit, but it only drops from old tier raids?

[spice spire]

There’s also random upgrades you can get in korthia iirc

[opaque tree]

wonder if blizzard will upgrade it

[spice spire]

I’m sure that won’t be the case forever

[opaque tree]

yes, but areen't those only like ilvl 200 at most, from Korthia? or can it go higher?

[spice spire]

I pulled a 226 WPS

So I know you can get that at least that high

[odd hazel]

The conduit upgrades go up to 226

[opaque tree]

ohh okay, well that's mythic lashing scars, so maybe I'll get that lucky

[odd hazel]

It’ll do your lowest conduits first

[opaque tree]

would be nice if you could purchase your Covenants conduit upgrade in your covenant sanctum in the future

with currency or whatever

yeah, I just noticed.. it upgraded some sub conduit which I don't care for. : \

[spice spire]

Plus if you go to raidbots and simc your dude, change the number after the code to lashing to (I think 11 is max rn) you’ll see while it’s a noticeable difference it’s not as big as you might think

[opaque tree]

alright. Well thanks, was just kind of strange to see that all the conduits aren't getting a current tier lvl upgrade

[amber sun]

do we line flag with every vendetta and just hold or use on cd and line wioth every other?

[pine grove]

Am I overlooking something, or is the only way to upgrade the covenant conduit via the consumable now?

Oh. Answered above. My mistake.

[swift sigil]

what trinkets are we looking for?

[plain thistle]

phial + shadowgrasp totem

but check herodamage.com for more information

[cloud bramble]

world bosses can drop ilvl 200, and korthia stuff can drop an item that can upgrade a random conduit like 13 ilvls at a time up to ilvl 226. the lowest conduit is always the one that gets upgraded. new mythics can drop conduits up to ilvl 226

[cloud bramble]

mythic + drops conduits up to ilvl 226

probably have to do over a 10

[south hollow]

Zoldyck goes on legs ay?

[tulip nacelle]

yes

[south hollow]

grape

[odd hazel]

Necro lord

[spice spire]

Miss it so much

Did keys last night and it just wasn’t the same

[odd hazel]

Don’t lie to us

Venth is the way brother

Even though I have the switch quest

It’s the way

[spice spire]

Next week it’s the juice

Rn I feel is pain and emptiness

[brisk imp]

can rogues get the conduit that procs when you're healed?

[odd hazel]

?

[spice spire]

Which conduit

[brisk imp]

there are 2 new ones with this patch, I got the one that procs when hit

the generic ones

[gusty mirage]

You mean the tank one? That gives primary stat when healed?

[brisk imp]

yeah, wasn't sure if it was tank only

[gusty mirage]

Yeah only hybrids can get it

But it’s kinda meh anyway fortunately

[odd hazel]

SnD heal ftw

[brisk imp]

yeah, mostly just didn't want to get it way later and waste conduit upgrades on it

[leaden turret]

ey can you play assa with offhand not being a dagger like sub?

[plain thistle]

you cant use mutilate without 2 daggers

[leaden turret]

ah kk, so no

[spice spire]

Technically you can, but Mut requires daggers in both hands so probably not

[leaden turret]

sadge, got 233 weapon out of taza and it wasnt the dagger

[vestal wren]

Yes you can, but you would need to use Fan of knives as cp builder what's likely not good

[odd hazel]

One day we will play that cursed build

[plain thistle]

[vestal wren]

Some people did play 2x foly in bfa mythic plus

[lost horizon]

People did that in keys with diversfolly

Shit fuu faster

[rigid pecan]

hey hello

im leveling an assassination rogue rn

why its so hard? i keep dying because i dont have enough health

[odd hazel]

Good as you should

Sin rogue isn’t great at leveling

[rigid pecan]

which one is good? 1st time playing rogue haha

[tulip nacelle]

rogue generally isn't that great for leveling

you have to utilize your cc

[odd hazel]

Sub I think is preferred

[rigid pecan]

yeah man its soo hard

im doing the initial bastion quests

and i keep dying

[thorny pond]

Farmed dos all last season for a wps. First run I finally get it 👌

[rigid pecan]

so sub rogue is easier to leveling>

?

[thorny pond]

Much

[rigid pecan]

i didnt find any guide for leveling a rogue on yt

[thorny pond]

You basically one shot things from stealth

Sin is subjectively the worst for leveling

[gusty mirage]

And I will not apologize for it

[rigid pecan]

ok ill try the sub rogue

thanks guys

[thorny pond]

You make anyone quit last night @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

Yeah myself

[thorny pond]

First night new raid

Kek

[gusty mirage]

I’m washed man

[thorny pond]

Same

[gusty mirage]

Too old for the game. Time to hang up the keyboard and mouse

[vestal wren]

You don't need to if you had fun

[thorny pond]

Get you some slip on slippers and a silken robe

[gusty mirage]

We ripped that key so hard

[thorny pond]

Oxi, last boss hard mode Tazavesh. I recommend saving cloak for last explosion and use feint to soak - for your defensive spread

[gusty mirage]

After how bad I played last night idk I want to log in anymore. It’s going to be a rough tier

[thorny pond]

Short memory bud

[gusty mirage]

So many misplays I’m actually so mad at myself

[thorny pond]

It’s first night after a long tier

It’s the same reason we do a small water slide before the toilet bowl drop, gotta get reacquainted

[gusty mirage]

All I know is if this keeps up I’m going back necro because at that point it doesn’t matter

[candid token]

Can’t you appreciate a plooper up your pooper

[spice spire]

King don’t put yourself down. You can only improve papi

[thorny pond]

I mean that’s my play. Set expectations low so you aren’t asked to do mechanics then just frag

[spice spire]

Beach has to be a certified fragger

[toxic wasp]

one oil is enough guys?

[tulip nacelle]

you should use an enhancement for both weapons

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[toxic wasp]

ofc

one oil and one stone?

[thorny pond]

I've been called far worse

[limber lion]

Just use 2 sharpening stones, no oils.

[odd hazel]

So boys, how do we feel about the new affix ?

[spice spire]

I like it, wish it did more

But it’s aggressively mediocre

[odd hazel]

Do we favor any powers ?

[mint narwhal]

is the trinket from the new world boss any good?

anyone tried it

[fallen arch]

The powers feel really underwhelming if you ask me

[odd hazel]

Just trying to prepare my self for the first round of keys I do for the season

That’s not surprising

Is there one we go for/don’t ever take ?

[fallen arch]

It’s fun to have something new

But espec on tyrannical you miss pride badly on some bosses

Like ingra malloch for instance

Have fun 4 phasing that

[odd hazel]

Gross

[wind dune]

Only good powers are necrotic ans stats

For dps

[odd hazel]

Necrotic ?

[wind dune]

Its kinda cringe how bad they nerfed them all for m+

Woops wrong rogue tab

But same thing still

[fallen arch]

You can choose bolstering and necrotic for instance

The stats one is kinda buggy

[odd hazel]

Wait. So we put the stacks on the enemy or we get bolstered if one dies

[toxic wasp]

thx mate. than i should use agi potion insteed of phantom i guess?

[spice spire]

I didn’t like bolstering in the two dungeons I ran

Granted it was sanguine and mists

[fallen arch]

A warr in my party didnt get the good amount of crit/vers

[spice spire]

Volcanic seemed very good in sanguine

[fallen arch]

Ye the volcanic one is nice

But the bottleneck are bosses

That just take long

[spice spire]

But for that one - it’s not a 100% get

Necrotic does seem better especially on a tyrannical week

[silver yacht]

sorry when we use our covenant venthyr ability in the opener ?

[fallen arch]

Before rup

[burnt star]

Necrotic is fkn strong on boas

[fallen arch]

Yeah, but you almost never have it for the first boss

At least I didnt

[burnt star]

Depends of the key

Also route will.need to change

T.O.P this week. The necrotic guy is right whe. U fall doqn

[spice spire]

You can no longer skip the bug room

In sanguine

[limber lion]

Yep, agi is good for consistency.

[odd hazel]

Rip theo cheese

[toxic wasp]

[cerulean nest]

how should I use flag in opener + afterwards?

[odd hazel]

Flag right before rupture

Mut - SnD - Mut - garrote - vendetta - flag - rupture

And just use it on CD afterwards basically as it should align with other CDs

[cerulean nest]

gotcha ty

[rigid pecan]

man thanks who said to me to use sub rogue to leveling

its super ok

easy

[odd hazel]

[rigid pecan]

lol i was suffering a lot with assassination

ahahahah

[plain thistle]

[spice spire]

You can still play assassination later but leveling as it is really horrible

I’m a masochist though

[rigid pecan]

yeah

[spice spire]

And an OTP

[safe barn]

what was updated?

[odd hazel]

Fuu put the soulbind trees in

[somber breach]

Chances of rouge nerf? Sin and outlaw are doing very well. I know it's only day1 but it's by a significant margin

[odd hazel]

Sub is doing the best right now

[spice spire]

It’s day one, wouldn’t sweat

[odd hazel]

I doubt we get a nerf but I could see some tuning

[spice spire]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/28#metric=dps&dataset=50&class=DPS&sample=1&difficulty=4

[somber breach]

Ya sin way ahead, I usually look at 95th percentile

And this is without obedience

[spice spire]

95th is a bad indicator IMO. 50 is as well, but gets the general picture a bit better

[north turret]

I usually go 80, as it's where purple parses start, right

?

[spice spire]

But it’s day one and I wouldn’t put too much stock into anything until a few weeks from now

75

That’s normally where I go as well 75. But blue parses definitely matter day 1 - again imo

But day 1 largely won’t until more data comes in

[north turret]

there are a lot of classes where the covenant leggo is pretty big, like ret paladin for example, the kyrian leggo is like ~7% more dps than any other leggo

[somber breach]

Just hoping for no knee jerk tuning end of this week

[spice spire]

I’d hope not either

But wouldn’t be shocked if they did. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best, right?

[north turret]

I feel like they haven't done nerfs after heroic week in awhile unless a class is obviously broken, they are more likely to buff the lowest few by 2-3%

[spice spire]

Didn’t they in 9.0?

[somber breach]

So hunter? Lol

[spice spire]

Year of the spear

[somber breach]

I wonder if ret is going to fly under the radar. Unsure of new covvy leggo gains

[north turret]

they are going to have to nerf ret's divine resonance

[tired vessel]

Using DS and MA (talent), I'm finding myself energy starved for the venthyr opener missing the second envenom during my vanish MA window, but I dont see people pooling energy in their opener in logs.

What im doing
Mut>snd>mut>garrote>trink+detta+flag>shiv>mut>rupture>mut>mut>vanish>envenom>mut>envenom

What am I goofing up?

[spice spire]

Ret performing well though, you’re seeing minimum performance being good for sin/outlaw. But ret’s top end is definitely over rogues currently

[spice spire]

You’re missing a rupture right?

[violet hemlock]

he is

[tired vessel]

Errr my b. Yes. Ill edit. Thanks

[spice spire]

I didn’t wanna be like “just rupture idiot” but I felt like it was just a mistype lol

[native scaffold]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[violet hemlock]

If u do rupture then its just if u have any haste

[tired vessel]

*edited

[violet hemlock]

cause DS without hste feels bad

[spice spire]

Wait hol’ up you’re doing a lot before that rupture chief

With an empowered Mut from MA, you could possibly pop CDs into rupture sooner

[sand aurora]

hows assas in m+?

[violet hemlock]

ye the shiv and extra mut arent needed

[spice spire]

Worst of the 3 but certainly not bad

[violet hemlock]

u do that after rupture

[spice spire]

But also your opener will be a bit energy starved without lust on BS/DS

Wait

[tired vessel]

Cool so just need a low cp rupture to get the energy gains quick and refresh right after shiv window?

[spice spire]

You’re going blindsideC right?

[tired vessel]

Nope thats EP. Sims are saying EP DS is better for me 0.0

[spice spire]

Shouldn’t be low CP. you still follow the max-1 rule. But at 4+shiv alone should put you there

[analog pilot]

do you want to Flag on CD or line it up with vendetta

[spice spire]

NANI?

[spice spire]

Line it up until we get obedience, unless you’ll miss a cast

[violet hemlock]

u line up ven with flag not other way I thought

[spice spire]

That’s after obedience iirc

I’m actually going to ask whisp later when he’s up - it’s been a while since I’ve been venth

I have Necrolord brain still

But also I’m not 100% on the vendetta line up - so you could be correct iker

[violet hemlock]

Nor am I just what I believed

[warped moon]

this channel has been saying to use flag on CD and try to lineup with vend on last cast if possible

but im also small brain so i could be misunderstanding it

[rancid warren]

Assa really looking good on todays wcl: though sub sims higher if fully farmed i suppose assa is the way while pushing progress

Pity that we can't execute on sylvanas

[spice spire]

Zoldyck’s purists in shambles rn

[violet hemlock]

our execute isnt great

blindside is all we have...

[spice spire]

Yep, Zoldyck’s hasn’t been our leggo in raid outside of weird situations for a while

[amber kettle]

Do we have raid topgear sims posted somewhere?

Can't find it in pinned just shows the dps

[spice spire]

We don’t use bis lists, but you can sims and see what the best drops you can get

[quaint sequoia]

do u need renown 44 on every char u wanna transfer soul ash from?

[rancid warren]

Is it only me that haste is the 1st recommended stat but instead having crit higher eases the dps cycle?

[open veldt]

Just the char where u have all the soulash

[quaint sequoia]

yea that is what i meant

switched mains in 9.1 so got alot of soul ash on a char with like renown 30

should be account-wide unlock like flying

[hollow birch]

I haven’t gotten around to seeing much of the fights gameplay, how is it feeling to play Assass this tier? Looks like it’s shaping up to be strong

Still trying to decide wether to play ele or rogue this tier

[sturdy scarab]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[tight canopy]

what is the best gear to put doomblade on ?

back ?

[odd hazel]

Back yes

[tight canopy]

ty

[zenith hatch]

i guess all dps domination sockets are close or we do have best? the one that buffs dmg by 3%?

[zenith hatch]

mhm k ty

[runic terrace]

!bis

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[odd hazel]

#simyoself

[kindred rapids]

Forgot to activate a soulbind after switching back to Venthyr

Don't make my mistake

[south belfry]

Ah SoD defensives havent been updated yet

[limber lion]

If you find something, feel free to use the link inside of the document to report it

And we'll get it added asap

[spice spire]

Yep, it’s a man made project and takes time and submissions to complete. All the boys are huge for providing the sauce

[red bloom]

is this neck from the new dungeon quest worth grabbing?

[echo geyser]

on nadja tree are u guys just putting maim as the 2nd potency with dauntless (whatever sims highest) and lethal poison on 2nd slot if u wanna run 3x?

i assume u would go for that if u wanted more cleave/aoe right?

3 potency over dauntless

[odd hazel]

Is maim actually doing good

[echo geyser]

well for me my WPS is 213 and my maim 226

but u could put WPS in the 3rd slot as 2nd potency if it does better for u

[safe barn]

how u guys manage flag

[echo geyser]

on cd i heard

[safe barn]

i struggle to get at 20 stacks

[echo geyser]

rng

[odd hazel]

You can easily get like 23

[safe barn]

and idk why but DS seems higher for me than Vigor but apprently do more dps with vigor?

[odd hazel]

Are you playing better with Vigor ?

[viscid spear]

I was running Subterfuge the entire raid.

[lost mist]

u should use it when full cp and the conduit, there u get 10-11 "free" stacks

[untold wagon]

when is bone spike worth using over mutilate/fan of knives on ST & AoE?

[lost mist]

when u have gemstone and to no overcap sbs stacks

[heady rain]

Hey friends,
I was curious if we need to start worrying about diminishing returns for secondary stats. I did some siming of my char and just hit 31% crit was curious at what point the loss of stats becomes not worth it.

[untold wagon]

okay ty, guess i have to start tracking gemstone 😛

[odd hazel]

Just sim and you’ll see the results

[lost mist]

the 2nd dr is at 34%, but just sim yourself and u will get the answer that u need

[heady rain]

Ahh kk I wasnt sure when the 20% kicked in thanks!

[lost mist]

1st one is at 25% i think, im not sure

[limber lion]

I'm gonna be honest

[safe barn]

how wrong is this opener?

[limber lion]

I have no clue what my stats are currently

I never look at them

because I don't need to

I just sim myself and that's it

I never have to think about stats.

[odd hazel]

I just know not to ever take mastery

[lost mist]

u have to use your vanish

just after your shiv+vendetta

[fallen arch]

Good, I have about 700 of it

[limber lion]

Have you been watching too much Limit Maximum?

[safe barn]

can't vanish in details

[limber lion]

Sure you can.

[safe barn]

thats why i wasnt vanishing

[limber lion]

Just use dynamic damage.

[safe barn]

uh

[safe barn]

whats that

[heady rain]

I ended up getting Periapt of Pristine Preservation (iLVL 239 +58 haste/+178 Mastery) at raid last night so I was siming to figure out if the mastery was actually worth it lol

[fallen arch]

Does he mess up his opener?

[limber lion]

It will not reset if you vanish

[limber lion]

He played really, really poorly.

[safe barn]

he doesnt vanish

like at all

[limber lion]

But he was just meming around and raidleading

So it's understandable.

[fallen arch]

Ye leading is a different cookie

[delicate bone]

yea i dont think he cared too much

[sand aurora]

is it worth to envenom 5 and not 6 cp?

[rocky pecan]

He almost only used AA so xd

[limber lion]

Yes

[spice spire]

Yes you don’t want to overcap your CP, so the rule is max-1 for finishers

[limber lion]

You do not build to 6 combo points everytime

[spice spire]

So if you run deeper, 5 is fine, if not, 4.

[odd hazel]

If it happens it happens but never try to finish at max

[lost mist]

yes, surely better than overcap 3 cp by mutilate on 5 cp :c

1~3cp*

[safe barn]

still, isnt 22 stacksa little low for flag

even if running EP

[odd hazel]

That’s a fine number

[sand aurora]

so do i just envenom everytime i land on 5 cp?

[odd hazel]

Yes that’s fine. Just make sure to not@let rupture fall off/etc

[safe barn]

mut at 5 is kinda wasting both cp and energy

[lost mist]

sometimes u will get lucky to fit garrote/shiv when 5cp

[spice spire]

Shouldn’t aim for it. Shiv - sure slam it on CD. But garrote can usually be planned a bit better

[sand aurora]

@lost misti use shiv on cd right?

[odd hazel]

Even at 5cp if shiv is up just slam that shit

[spice spire]

Though I habitually Ape out on garrote at 4-5

[lost mist]

yes, that's why i said lucky, bc u should not delay it :c

but u can try some pandemic refresh on garrote

[safe barn]

if my opener looks something like this

gar applied, mut only gave me 2 cps

[dim temple]

I just made 4 simcs and all them says Maim, Mangle is better in Well-Placed Steel at rank 45. something I missed ? or is it only of the item level Well-Placed Steel is 200 Maim is 213 what will you do ?

[safe barn]

do i delay vendetta and flag to fit more cps?

[spice spire]

Shiv is up too 👀

[cerulean nest]

woo. entwined gorger tendril with socket from my first key

[spice spire]

You can

I’d probably (and more than likely incorrectly) Mut > shiv > CDs and shot > rupture > mut > vanis > Mut > Envenom > Mut

CDs being vendetta + flag + trink

[lost mist]

maybe mut-vend-flag-rupt-shiv-vanish-mut-env-mut

[heady rain]

Mine is saying that too for me idk either lol I was mad confused

[supple jewel]

Is it better to use vanish crit window to generate more CP with mut than van->enven->mut->enven? Using flag

[light spear]

Who’s wa pack is that?

[supple jewel]

I see rogues vanish right after shiv with 1-2 CP

[loud mason]

i still dont understand why we run mutilate instead of ambush, is the tool tip wrong or something? says ambush should hit more

with master assasin

[supple jewel]

Cuz mut can give up to 4 CP if both hands crit

[robust pasture]

More combo point generation with mut

[wary ice]

And poison applications

[loud mason]

oh damn didnt know mutilate could give double cp

[frigid kestrel]

You more then likely only going to be able to fit one Envenom in that vanish window anyway (especially your running DS) so it doesn’t really matter.

[loud mason]

why isnt that stated in any of the guides ive read/watched xDD

[wary ice]

It is u just didn't read it

[kindred rapids]

239 Neck from the first boss is an 80 DPS downgrade. God I hate mastery.

[loud mason]

it is never stated why, it is only stated " use mutilate instead of ambush "

@wary ice

[frigid kestrel]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[dim temple]

did you take it or go with the Shiv one?

[frigid kestrel]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[strange python]

Hi, anyone can share Garrote Pandemic Glow for plater please? i tired couple from Wago but getting error "data imported not valid.

[loud mason]

I have not used this discord as an guide yet

not really fan of typing !xx for everythign i wounder about

[frigid kestrel]

I only typed it out to answer your questions

Easier then typing out a full on explanation

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[frigid kestrel]

Nice they added new raid

[mystic osprey]

Definitely cleared most of normal sanctum last night with celerity legendary on instead of doom blade. 😔🙄

[strange python]

how can i sim a certain boss percentage? for example 100-50%

[steady glen]

guys

[heady rain]

Should I trust sims saying Maim, Mangle(213) > Sudden Fractures(213)? on casting patchwork?

[steady glen]

whats the AOE rotation if im running master assasin?

instead of subterfuge

[dim temple]

what do people use as for aoe m+ now Theotar? or

[spice spire]

I’d recommend against it, but essentially the same, just not big opener dam. Keep bleeds up, CT, etc.

[steady glen]

sims say MA AOE is 200 dps more

i dont understand how thats gonna happen

[spice spire]

I mean sure, I don’t see why not? Afaik there’s no stopping it

[spice glade]

For venthyr, does anyone else struggle to get near cap stacks of flag? I always get between 18 and 25 or so, whereas sub/outlaw I can get 30 almost every time if I can pump for 12s

[ionic kelp]

ya sometimes, but its not something to worry about. makes sense that sub can get max now, and otl with the right rolls

[spice glade]

OK I was just worried I was missing something that would let me get max/near max consistently

(Pooled energy, max points etc)

[viscid spear]

As Sin I can get 27 stacks reliably as long as I can maintain uptime on boss

[charred wraith]

Should i fully trust sims when simming So'leah's secret technique trinket?

[spice glade]

maybe I just have low haste or am doing something wrong, whats ur haste and general flag combo? or is there somewhere I can read/watch thats already up

[fallow estuary]

So'leah's seems to sim wrong

[charred wraith]

bc it sims like 130 dps less than hatefull chain

[fallow estuary]

because it gives more stats than stone legion and you can even choose the stat

but it sims like 50% of it

so don'T trust sims regarding so'leah's

[charred wraith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wwVvRVfvFw7r5XwiLHWqiW

[soft shale]

yea if you get crit it should be better than heraldry for most people

[charred wraith]

for some reason so'leah + chain is more dmg than so'leah + dreadfire

[white jetty]

hey guys, now that we're talking rotation
i dont really get shiv, is it on cooldown?(been using it in CD) if not, how do i optimize it?

[charred wraith]

also i would assume a 233 trinket should beat 226 if we talk about so leah and hatefull

[white jetty]

and if its near to my vendetta + vanish, do i save it for the burst?

[scenic osprey]

so in this week renown capp whats the cap for unrated pvp gears?

[strange python]

is so'leah 233 better than a 226 skulker?

my sim said minus 170 lmao

i think its wrong

[fallow estuary]

leah is bugged

in sims

[thin imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x7ahRsfhZrnnXSYNTRcPeS

Azure-Venom Choker 220 still better than new neck 226 D: all day farming for nothing?

[hollow talon]

noob question does rupture do more damage per second the more CP u use on it

[scenic osprey]

no

[strange python]

yup

[final hull]

Hi , i have a question , should i recraft my Doomblade legendary hands into Back ?

[strange python]

yeah if u arent venthyr

[hollow talon]

does dreadfire crit have anything to do with MA talent or no

they patched that right

[final hull]

i m venth

[strange python]

then wait for obedience to come out next week

youll want to craft that on cloak

[final hull]

ok , thank you

[spice spire]

They did patch it

[misty edge]

If i posted a log do people ever look them over, this disc seems to be one of the nicer ones ive seen lol, i just dont ever notice people doing that

[sly timber]

souldbinds still the same?

[spice spire]

Some will yes! Notably Cev and whispyr but both are grinding raid when they’re on, but they’re both very detailed and give excellent feedback

But there are several people here willing to give it a look! 🙂

[spice spire]

For?

[indigo thicket]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[hollow talon]

can someone look at this log and tell me why my dam is so bad (other than bad garrote uptime)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fk2LQrnRJNCbKh8m#fight=38&type=damage-done&source=19

[misty edge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7vdHQxXnZLTY68RB#fight=10&type=damage-done

@spice spire awseoms thank you man! As one would assume i am scrapbooker in that log haha

[frigid forge]

what is the minimum haste to play assa?

[misty edge]

damn that feral in that log is living out my dream lol

[hollow talon]

he is a beast lol

he does so much dam

[spice spire]

Over 0 lol

[frigid forge]

so 21% is enough?

[spice spire]

Looks mostly okay - haven’t hit the casts. But I will say it looks like you missed a vanish and vendetta at the end

2 casts a piece on a 4:25 fight, should be at open (let’s say it’s late at :08, 2:08, and 4:08)

[hollow talon]

my parses are so bad compared to what i used to get with outlaw but im wondering if its also slightly a gear issue

using 226 weps instead of 233

[frigid forge]

@spice spire so 21% should be fine?

[fallen arch]

Yes totally fine

[spice spire]

You’re missing a last second vendetta -
You also didn’t cast vanish at all.
One big thing I caught was that you wasted a ton of energy

Maybe go with deeper instead of vigor

[spice spire]

Should be fine

[frigid forge]

and should i use vigor or deeper?

[edgy sky]

why not just mut more?

[spice spire]

Simming is better usually just to see what you can do

[indigo thicket]

how many targets does subterfuge overtake master assassin?

[misty edge]

@spice spire A little later in the raid night i realized that mistake so i got that corrected but ah i didnt think about trying out DS i will do that

[spice spire]

If you have too much energy regen you may naturally overcap with any amount of moveyime

[misty edge]

Thank you!

[spice spire]

It may be fine without DS, it may just be learning the fight

Like I said - I didn’t go deep deep, but some basic things can greatly improve

[misty edge]

yea thats what i am looking for to improve as fast as i cann!

[eternal acorn]

Do we have to open with garrote ?

[misty edge]

I thought it was mut with MA talented

[eternal acorn]

jnot even ambush ?

[misty edge]

no has to do with mut hitting with both daggers double chance at critting/poison application

only ambush you cast is the free proc from the talent i am pretty sure

[obsidian socket]

how do i find my secondary distribuiton

[shy dust]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[wary ice]

Im pretty sure in ST you always open Mut first, even with subt

[indigo thicket]

i believe opener (ma) is mut, s&d/mut to max, ambush and flag macro, rupture, mut to 4/5, shiv, vanish, env, mut to env

[wary ice]

since your first attack from stealth always applies poison

[indigo thicket]

not amb i meant the buff

macro with flag

[eternal acorn]

thx guys !

[indigo thicket]

im new to rogue i forget the name

[heady rain]

Im probs just gona use the shiv one I feel like the other one might assume like perfect uptime

[weary marten]

With MA : mut snd mut
With Subt : garrote mut garrote

[weary marten]

vendettta ?

[eternal acorn]

i go mut - slice - serrated bone - garotte - mut - rup

[indigo thicket]

yes lol

[spice spire]

If your NL, SBS > Slice > mut (if needing more CP) > garrote > Rupt. If not need rupt > gar

[storm nymph]

Are ppl just holding onto domination gems that they get?

[covert basin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[cedar star]

I feel so dumb saying this, but as a new rogue it’s so ambiguous as to which abilities evasion works on

That and feint

Half the time I’m guessing

[fallen arch]

True

But theres a guide here somewhere

But usually physical works for evasion

Magic for cloak

Feint for aoe abilities

[cedar star]

Cloak is easy

[spice spire]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[spice spire]

It’s not a dumb question at all @cedar star above is a spreadsheet with current listings, if you find something new there’s a submission thing on the sheet

It’s a pretty awesome crowdsourced project

[pine grove]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[cloud bramble]

evasion is for physical attacks, if a boss turns on you or your in the middle of a pack of mobs or something. feint anytime something looks like an aoe? cast it

[cedar star]

So normal aoes are pretty clear

[spice spire]

There’s intricacies as well though. Like did you know you can evasion the first bosses charge attack in sanguine*?

[cedar star]

But floor targeted Aoe?

It seems sometimes yes sometimes no?

[cloud bramble]

might just be a question of how hard your getting hit.

[spice spire]

I forgot to put the dungeon it was in

Also what exactly can you vanish cheese? (A lot less as of 9.0.5)

I don’t think it’s always as linear as people think

[heady rain]

Should I trust sims saying Maim, Mangle (213) > Sudden Fractures (213) on Casting Patchwork?

[spice spire]

Sure, no reason not to afaik. No bugs known in our APL or anything so it should be legit

[bleak sky]

did any of you try running doomblade on keys this week?

[sand mauve]

How many Haste should i reach?

[sand aurora]

why? did they change anything with it

[bleak sky]

bosses have a fuckton of HP, I feel like it might be worth on all keys maybe? I need an adult to confirm that tho

4 min fight on the 1st boss of mists 16 was not fun at all

[sand aurora]

what leggos should i run for m+?

[fallen arch]

Yes

It’s fine

But Zoldyck was still better for me

Kinda depends on dungeon as well

[spice spire]

If I did mists again I’d run it for that boss and tredova for science . But in general Zoldyck’s feels better

BecUse the four phase boss was not fun

[cloud bramble]

what m+ anima powers are looking good?

[spice spire]

Necrotic looks really good ngl.

Pending dungeon, I found volcanic to be huge in sanguine because of the multitude of casters

Outside of that stats seem best afaik

[cloud bramble]

I was thinking necrotic and raging for tyrannical?

maybe the aoe stuff durning fortified?

[spice spire]

Idk about raging. necrotic seems very good though, would recommend highly

Also depends on level of key, you can for science it at a 15 and still be fine if it’s less than ideal

[cloud bramble]

yeah the goal atm is def 15s

[spice spire]

I aped at a 12 and timed it pretty easily - so it shouldn’t be that difficult

[ruby oyster]

yo guys i was thinking about joining an entry level CE guild, but i wasnt part of serious raiding guild since cata so im having hard time judging myself if im good enough, can i link logs here and would you be able to tell me if i can give it a go? or is it not a place for stuff like that?

[spice spire]

You can always link logs papi. But as for judging if you’re good enough? That’s for the guild to decide

[cloud bramble]

I plugged an 11 and a 13 to try them out last night. people where dicking around and taking forever picking every power

[spice spire]

But if you’re messing something up we can help

[fallen arch]

Ye that’s gonna take a while to get used to

[spice spire]

Yeah I ran with some friends as just testing it out, missed the 12 mists first boss and tredova were absolute fiestas, but hit the sanguine even with some aping on my part

[ruby oyster]

well yeah but what i mean is at least dps wise if i should even bother or should i stay in heroic, i only pugged like 2/10m 9.0 and had 3m bosses in 8.3 quite late in the patch so i honestly have no idea what guilds are expecting dps wise for CE

anyways here is a profile https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/argent-dawn/finear#zone=26&difficulty=4

[median aurora]

lower end guilds care more about warm bodies that dont repeatedly int and will show up than giga pumpers

if you have probably blues realistically you'll go in comfy at a ~2kish rank and can work from there

[spice spire]

Judge isn’t wrong

[median aurora]

main issue a lot of the guilds at that level run into is people use them as a stepping stone so there's a fairly high turnover of people going in and out, and an even higher issue with people just showing up

[ruby oyster]

ok, by lower end guilds you mean still CE right? not just these that stop mid progression

[median aurora]

make sure you do an application that shows you care and thats 90% of the work

yes

just finishing the tier will be world 1.8-2k

[spice spire]

Yeah 2kish is about CE level

[median aurora]

its around the very bottom end

[timber sage]

it is the bottom end? those are the guilds that took 7 months to kill sire lol

[median aurora]

and the area that you will be able to get a solid showing and a good taste if you want to mythic raid or not

of those who actually finish the tier probably

[spice spire]

That’s perfect advice

[ruby oyster]

ok got it, thanks for the tip!

[spice spire]

But also logs look fine king. Big thing is to not overcap (noticed it happened on ambush a lot) other than that, they’re normal logs

[median aurora]

like essentially for entry CE a tailored app will be a huge step over what most do

[spice spire]

Also being more flexible in your talents is important.